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Sunday, May 17, 2009
Star Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Moral relativism and Obama at Notre Dame
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In a letter to the 2009 graduating class of Notre Dame, Father John Jenkins, the university's president, explains why he is "proud" to have President Barack Obama speak and be honored at his university.

Let's put aside momentarily the appropriateness of a Catholic university honoring a man who aggressively supports legal abortion, including partial birth abortion, and has supported a procedure that permits the destruction of a living child after birth.

Someone who says that the question regarding the rights of the unborn is "above my pay grade."

And consider that Father Jenkins says that, aside from honoring the nation's president, the university must be "a crossroads through which pass people of many different perspectives, backgrounds, faiths, and cultures." In other words, it must entertain diversity of opinion.

I maintain an active speaking tour at universities across this country. Over the years, I have spoken at over 180 universities of all kinds. And one thing I can report is that American universities are uniformly liberal.

The faculties are liberal and the student bodies are liberal. Diversity and dialogue at American universities means inviting a conservative to speak.

When Barack Obama speaks at an American university, he does not provide a different perspective. He preaches to the liberal choir. And I am afraid that most of today's Catholic universities are no exception.

Last year Students for Human Life invited me to speak at their Catholic school, the University of St Thomas in St Paul, Minn. The group's request for permission for me to speak on campus was rejected. When pressed for an explanation, university staff said they were unhappy with a talk that Ann Coulter had given the year before.

But earlier in the year, this same Catholic university hosted liberal Al Franken and a transgender activist named Debra Davis.

Barack Obama's strongest support is among voters ages 18-29. He beat John McCain by 34 points in this group, 66 percent to 32 percent.

Father Jenkins' argument that Obama brings a different perspective to the Notre Dame student body is dubious. Far more likely, the majority of the audience voted for him.

Catholic views on abortion and the appropriateness of Obama speaking at Notre Dame correlate with whether we are talking about committed church going Catholics or not.

Some 24 percent of Catholics who attend church regularly say abortion is morally acceptable and 37 percent of them support Obama speaking at Notre Dame. But 52 percent of Catholics who do not attend church regularly say abortion is morally acceptable and 56 percent of them support Notre Dame's invitation to Obama.

Catholics most likely to not attend church weekly are youth. According to Gallup, 70 percent of 21-29 year olds don't.

Contrary to providing diversity of opinion, by inviting Barack Obama, Father Jenkins really just played to his audience. True leadership would have been to invite a speaker who would inspire this young audience to take seriously the values of their Catholic tradition.

I received a call the other day from a woman distraught that her son was accepted at Harvard. How could this be you ask?

After he was accepted, she took a closer look at the school and came across a story in the school paper, the Harvard Crimson, about the "fifth annual Female Orgasm Seminar."

After looking over the details, she concluded that this is not where she wanted her son. But if not Harvard, where? Where can a parent send their son or daughter to get educated and not be indoctrinated with liberal boilerplate?

Catholic universities were supposed to serve this purpose. But it's clear that they, too, have been swept into the liberal tsunami that has engulfed America.

Ironically, Father Jenkins states in his letter that Notre Dame's invitation to Obama is "not a political statement or an endorsement of policy." He then expresses admiration for the president's views on "expanding health care, alleviating poverty, and building peace through diplomacy."

Does Father Jenkins not even understand what a "political statement" is?

Unfortunately, Notre Dame's invitation to President Obama has only contributed to the moral ambiguity tearing at our nation's fabric.

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Star Parker is the founder and president of CURE, the Coalition for Urban Renewal & Education, a 501c3 think tank which explores and promotes market based public policy to fight poverty, as well as author of White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects Inner City Decay.
 
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"A Travesty" Is An Understatement
I am so disappointed in Notre Dame and its president, Jenkins. There is nothing fatherly about Jenkins and nothing to honor in Obama. IMO.

A Sad but monumental day for Catholics and people of faith who wanted to be a witness for their beliefs. From what I understand, Notre Dame had a judge increase bail and penalties so that anyone arrested on for protesting on campus would be severely punished. I guess those persons saying Rosaries and wearing Crosses were just too much competition for the Media Messiah. Or was he afraid of spontaneous human combustion?----his!!!

So Obama stands up there and talks about lessening abortions and protecting women and adopting babies. I had to turn it off.

Watching SATAN pose as an angel of light was more than I could bear!


Good Article, Star
Once again Obama speaks 'well,' but not honestly, to the apparent 'choir.' He is quite artful.
So much for Catholics standing up for their beliefs...

Thanks, Barbara, for informing about the increased bail and penalties people like Covey ("Jane Roe") and Alan Keyes were subjected to; this seems to happen regularly to Defenders of Life. With them in spirit, I only wish I could have been with them in person.

I agree with you - "Watching Satan pose as an angel of light was more than I could bear!"

And all that is necessary
for evil to advance is that good men do nothing.

One addtl comment from me
"All who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil people and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived." 2 Timothy 3:12,13

PRESIDENT # 44
HIPOCRICY.HIPOCRYCY AT BEST!!!!!!!!!

FATHER JENKINS KISSING THE PRESIDENT RING......
HE DID A GREAT CAMPAINING SPEECH IN FAVOR OF THE PRESIDENT, HE FORGOT TO TELL WHEN THE PRESIDENT DID NOT HAVE ANY CLOTHES TO WEAR??

LOOK AT HIPOCRICY IN DISPLAY:
HE INDRODUCED THE PRESIDENT AS BARACK " H" OBAMA,
WHAT?? NO BALLS TO CALLED HIM HUSSEIN?
THEN HE TOLD OBAMA'S POOR SAD LIFE AS CHILD.........WHAT??
OBAMA THEN IN THE SPEECH SAID. WE AS A CHRISTIANS.....BUT......WAIT.
DID NOT HE SAY IN EUROPA, WE ARE NOT A NATION OF CHRISTIANS , BUT JUST CITIZENS?
WHAT A FLIP, FLOP LIAR THIS PRESIDENT # 44 IS.........

Flush it.


The swirling of the toilet.

Our country is doomed.

Universities are indeed mostly liberal.
One can only say that perhaps its a function of high intelligence because it sure is a pattern. Do not fear though, a very high percentage of truckers are conservative.

JUST IN!.....
....Obama mocks critics and protesters, saying they try to make caricatures out of the opposing side. Wants open discussion, fair-mindedness, etc, etc. Gets cheers and standing ovations from so-called Catholics at Notre Dame. My feeling is that Obama should go to Bob Jones, or Oral Roberts, or Liberty and give a speech on a fair-minded debate about whether Jesus Christ really is the savior. Michelle should tell those in her crowds that, in re Notre Dame, for the first time in her adult life she is really proud of Christianity. If Jesus had just listened more closely to Satan, America would be a better place. We would all be Gay and Bush and Cheney (and of course Carrie Prejean) would be in prison. Let's just go all the way with this progressive thing. Let's start looting rich people's homes and lynching them and institute Sharia Law and get rid of Legislatures, legalize dope for our kids and show them how to have really great sex. Yeah, Barack, let's 'transform' America.

Father Jenkins
is a member of the church of the social gospel. Like all liberals he is comfortable and anticipates future comfort at the expense of others. Suppose that the church were to lose it's tax exempt status and donations from wealthy foundations that fund the church to corrupt her thinking were taxable and non deductable; what would be the churches position on issues?
It is not surprising that the little twerp spoke there, he is performing his assigned duties flawlessly and distracting people from thinking about the real issue.
If I were an investigative reporter I would be looking at the unholy alliance in the church with the Dark Force. The church gave the little clown a pulpit. He certainly must be laughing and thinking himself very clever.
Just another evil little man.

Frank:
I laughed out loud.

I will take you to small task on one note: it is a function of higher education, not necessarily of high intelligence. Lots of ways to slice and dice that, of course.

Meantime, thanks indeed for the chuckle.

What ever happened to
Freedom of Assembly and Freedom of Speech? Now we must pay fines for these rights? Or do these rights only apply to Liberals and their rants at Conservative meetings?

I am not a Catholic; but if I was, I would consider whether or not I wanted my ideology to be smeared by the University of Notre Dame.

I am not an alumnus of Notre Dame; but if I were, I would seriously consider NOT funding that institution.

And to my Catholic brothers in Christ, John had you in mind when he wrote Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

'Her' is the corrupt religious institutions calling themselves 'Christian'. Like every other such "christian institution", the RCC (as demonstrated by Notre Dame's lack of recognition of evil) is corrupted from the inside.

Funny TAKE on Obama at ND!
For another black conservative's view on this and like none other you have read, go here http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/2009/05/notre-dang-ange ls-and-demons.html. This guy is HILARIOUS!

Common ground or just plain nonsense
Obama called for people to seek common ground and to respectfully disagree with each other.

What about the rabid left attacks on Catholic adoption services in Massachusetts a year or two ago - no sign of mutual respect there!

The highly regarded Catholic adoption services were forced to either start letting gay couples adopt or shut their doors - they shut their doors. There were more than enough adoption agencies assisting gay couples to adopt, and there was no need to bludgeon the Catholics into leftist ideological submission.

Again, Obama's word sound like hollow rhetoric.


Notre Dame has brought this on itself...

Star Parker: “Some 24 percent of Catholics who attend church regularly say abortion is morally acceptable and 37 percent of them support Obama speaking at Notre Dame.”


Whether they attend church regularly or not, support for abortion is rebellion against God and His Word.


“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” (Col 2:8, KJV)


“And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.” (Luke 8:21)


~~~


Star Parker: “But 52 percent of Catholics who do not attend church regularly say abortion is morally acceptable and 56 percent of them support Notre Dame's invitation to Obama.”


Unless they are legitimately prevented from attending worship services regularly, they are again acting against God’s Word:


“And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: [25] Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.” (Hebrews 10:24-25)


~~~


Star Parker: “Catholics most likely to not attend church weekly are youth. According to Gallup, 70 percent of 21-29 year olds don't.”


“Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.” (2 Thess 3:6)


That is a commandment, in the name of Jesus Christ, written down by the Apostle Paul by inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

It is *not* optional, or left to the discretion of men.


“If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.” (1 Cor 14:37)





“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46)

It’s Time We Face The Truth 1

I’ll go a step further. The writer is correct to say America is divided. But this is not as simply defined as being between Democrats and Republicans; liberals and conservatives. We are divided into a battle for the soul of this nation, and the world. And that war is being waged between two factions, right here, within THIS country. On one side of the divide are those who want to uphold the traditions of Christianity; on the other are the reprobates led by “America is not a Christian nation” Barack Hussein Obama.

Although few have the courage or honesty to define it: We are in a spiritual battle for the very soul of the world and the left in this country has sided with the Islamists, atheists, Marxists, homosexuals, abortionists, or whoever else they can ally themselves with that oppose Jesus Christ and the God of Abraham. What do you think motivates their unanimous desire to stifle free speech? The speech that cuts them like a knife is only the word of God contained in one book and preached in Christian and Jewish houses of prayer: The Holy Bible. Don’t be deceived by any other excuses they make. This nation, America, is the last Christian stronghold left on earth and Israel is the only other one that has as its guide, the unerring word of God. Until Christians and Jews have been destroyed, the New World Order cannot complete the takeover of the souls of the world’s people. Americans and Israelis are barriers that stand in the way of total Socialist domination of men’s souls.


It’s Time We Face The Truth 2

What you need to realize from the characterizations liberals make of the Truth, is their total and complete hatred of Truth (i.e., God). God is Truth, and they are haters of God and lovers of the Satanic lifestyles: Abortion, Homosexuality, 2 men lying with one another as a man and woman were made to lie with each other (having and condoning unnatural sexual unions: women loving women; teaching our youth in the schools and universities that this is moral; while arresting pastors for repeating biblical scriptures that indicates the nature of these abominations. In order to justify the Culture of Death they love, they MUST deny the authority of God. They must silence the preacher. They must attack the Holy Word of God. To admit God is to accept that they condemn their souls by their being slaves to the pursuit of unnatural lusts and reprobate hearts.

They will NEVER allow themselves to admit to a need for repentance because it would mean forsaking the pleasures of carnality which, to them is more cherished than Truth, and life itself.


No. Obama is NOT the anti-Christ, but just as there are a remnant of us still left who seek to follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit; there are those who you are witnessing who are welcoming the "spirit" of the anti-Christ. Proud American Democrat, Ranger29, and others are such people. They revel in, what appears to them to be the "power" of the Satanic upsurge which is symbolized by what they think are "victories" associated with "homosexual" acceptance the condoning of abortion (human infant sacrifice), the perceived rise of Islamism, and what they think is a defeat for Jesus Christ.

NEVER let them shake YOUR faith. They know they have chosen damnation, and because they know it, they hate those who have the courage to resist that which they have allowed to destroy them.

It’s Time We Face The Truth 3

Their only real division in this country comes down to a battle over the liberal’s incessant attempts to bastardize morality; making right wrong and wrong right; their goal is to try to destroy you and your faith in the power of God.

Study your Bible and listen to God’s messengers who speak Truth to the power of Satan the Liar. Teach your children, and their children, the Truth of the nature of God, and godliness. Show yourselves approved before God, and continue to let your light so shine that you remain a curse to them like garlic (or The Cross) is to a vampire. For they represent those who have become dead in their spirits; having embraced a chance to worship evil over good.

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It's Time We Face The Truth 3

Barack Hussein "America is not a Christian nation" Obama was allowed to stand and lecture Catholic bishops and students at Notre Dame; praising them their enlightened academic intelligence in realizing the "university must be "a crossroads through which pass people of many different perspectives, backgrounds, faiths, and cultures."

Nowhere in the Bible, however, is there an instance supporting such a compromise with the followers of Baal or worshippers of reprobate sexual deviancy and child murder. Jesus never compromised with evil men, or men who practiced evil deeds. And if we are to be followers of His neither should we allow them to sup at our table.

Notre Dame has shamed itself and done harm to Catholism and to the authority of Christ Himself in allowing this man to stand above them and to wipe his feet on Christianity.

In honor of their sad acquiescence to the standard-bearer of abortion rights, partial-birth abortions and survivor of abortion infant neglect unto death and their willingness to be lectured and preached to by Barack Hussein "Goddamn America" Obama, I would like to suggest a name more befitting to commemorate the occassion.

I would offer the suggestion that they consider renaming it: Notre Damned.

It's Time We Face The Truth 5

We must always keep in mind, when “debating” with people such as the liberal “progressive” trolls that come on here daily to post their evil and vile comments about all decency; they are not merely warring against us; they are warring against what we stand for; THE GOD OF THE BIBLE! That is why they are more willing to embrace even Islam before Christianity, even though Islam has issued a sentence of death upon their very lives. Why not? Whether abortion, homosexual marriages, or Islam; the result is the same: Death. They embrace Islam because they HATE GOD and the authority of Jesus Christ. Make no mistake about it.

It won’t be long before they enact their “fairness doctrine” in an attempt to silence and separate us from the Truth. They will even come for some of us, because for them, Christians are the only threat they fear…and for good reason.

Once you understand and accept this, you will realize that The final battle has been joined. Satan is a liar and Barack Hussein Obama is one of his disciples; as are his apologists. Barack Hussein Obama is not the anti-Christ, but what is true about him and his followers is that he, and those who worship him are possessed of the spirit of the anti-Christ to come. What they don’t yet realize is that We shall prevail.

SEMPER FIDELIS.

Reducing unwanted pregnancy
Is the main issue.

The idiots belong in jail.

Stupid!
Let's just decriminalize all kinds of murder and just work to cut down on the number of all kinds of murders. We can also do that for child abuse, robberies, assault, rape. Sounds like a plan!!!

He can sure work his magic with unsuspecting fools. Obama asked the question of those who are against abortion, What if you were the parent whose child had some disease that could be cured through stem cell research?(not the exact words)SOOOO his answer is to kill one unborn child to save another? I think that was lost on so many of them listening to him.

I am just so disappointed.

Cutting down on pregnancies
I doubt if Obama's idea of cutting down on unwanted pregnancies involves people changing their behavior. It sounds like more "education" on how to do the deed but not get caught. It could also be taken as a good excuse for starting a homosexual relationship.

I KNOW it has nothing to do with abstinence.

vizier

"Date: May 18, 2009 - 7:01 AM EST
Cutting down on pregnancies
I doubt if Obama's idea of cutting down on unwanted pregnancies involves people changing their behavior. It sounds like more "education" on how to do the deed but not get caught. It could also be taken as a good excuse for starting a homosexual relationship.

I KNOW it has nothing to do with abstinence."

I am certain abstinence will be part of the answer. As seen in the Palin family, it works so well

True Hal
"I am certain abstinence will be part of the answer. As seen in the Palin family, it works so well"

And we know abortion works 100% of the time.

What America Now Stands For!
What do you think the outcome will be? America has accepted a man as president that won't reveal his actual birth certificate to legitimize where he was born. He has appointed tax evaders into his cabinet. He will not use his office to root out the likes of: Dodd, Rangel,Frank, Kennedy and the liar in chief, Nancy Pelosi! He is totally shallow. He stands for all that I was raised to be against. He stands for abortion, socialism, he's against freedom of speech, at least conservative speech. He has burdened our future generations with a tax burden, they will be in debt their whole lives. He is pushing our country into a health care system that will not work, he has humiliated and belittled the USA all over the world. He is sending our troops into a "Blood Bath" in Afghanistan. If you think we lost many of our brave soldiers in Iraq, wait until the casualties start coming in from there. Liberal academia has done it's job well, that's why Obama received standing ovations at the Notre Dame commencement ceremony. I cannot understand what they will gain from turning our youth against our country. What is in it for them? To sum up, our leaders are for: Abortion, High Taxes, Crooks in political office, Liars in the Congress and surrender of our troops in war. What's next?

soliton: That's just typical of

doofass-the-Pet Rock's inane, meaningless, juvenile taunts...


This is the equivalent of...
Hitler, who, once he achieved power in Germany, immediately set about obtaining political cover for his regime by agreeing to the concordat between Rome and the German Reich on July 20, 1933 - almost a similar time frame.

The details of the accord were ambiguous and insignificant - the propaganda value for the Nazi Reich was enormous. Hitler, in effect, had made it seem he had recruited the Catholic Church in support of his policies - something the Church, given the enormity of the evil that ensued, was to have difficulty living down for many decades after Hitler was defeated.

The Notre Dame administration, in defiance of Catholic doctrine and the current and previous popes, have chosen to give a similar kind of cowardly cover to this modern face of fascism. B. Hussein has supported killing off a major portion of the American population through abortion, condoning even its most brutal applications.

The Obama fascists are also fanatical about taking over this nation's health care in order to institute policies which promise to systematically kill off more of the population through rationed and qualified approval for health care, all the while increasing the taxing theft to pay for it.

And this is only the tip of what Notre Dame has ingloriously became a party to this weekend. This is modern Catholic Church corruption, the US version, on a par with the worst that was ever perpetrated in centuries gone past.

Dark Helmet Doofass:
We all know how open to "fair debate" Obumf^ck is. Remember him telling the Republican leadership "I won," basically telling them to shut up since he did not want to hear their ideas. He is about as open to "fair debate" as was Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Fidel, and Ho.

This Is Not Obama's Fault
None of this is Obama's fault; not his speaking at N.D., not the rate of abortions in America and around the world, not the rise in acceptance of homosexual marriage, nor the general decline decline of morality. There are hundreds of thousands of people in America who call themselves Catholic, and millions more who call themselves Christian. And the vast majority of these people voted for Obama, and have been voting for pro-abortion and pro-homosexual marriage proponents for years. Imagine if all these Catholics and Christians had been voting for pro-life candidates all these years.

Obama the Misguided
As a Notre Dame graduate, Class of 1952, I was deeply saddened and dismayed by the invitation of President Obama to speak at this year's Commencement, and worse yet to receive an Honorary Law Degree.

But Barbara, Poster No. 1, please don't Call him SATAN. Call him misguided, severely misguided, and pray for his conversion.

Bob Raymond, BSME, University of Notre Dame, 1952

Second American Civil War

This one is civil so far, but we are clearly in the middle of our second civil war - one that will determine how well we survive and thrive the next century.

I'm concerned that we have grown more immature in the last fifty years and that we are due for a severe beating by life.

What is going on at a Catholic University like Notre Dame is just plain obscene.

IMHO.

Scott...
Just so you know...
Your bible quotes could easily be applied to numerous protestant churches and denominations throughout the united States. All Roman Catholics do not act in the fashion your anti-catholic screed would suggest. Do yourself a favor and demonstrate the love of Christ you profess to confess. Honor Christ and do not bear false witness against your neighbor. It really makes you sound hateful, ignorant and unchristian. Not to mention-just plain stupid.

I wonder...
Should Notre Dame have invited a known supporter of racial segregation (David Duke), or a famous supporter of anti-Jewish policy (Ahmadinejad)? Perhaps both men could have denied the holocaust at the commencement together. Then subjected everyone present to a grand finale showing of 'The Passion of Christ'.
Would the media be as supportive of the invitation as they are of the invitation extended to a supporter of killing innocents?

Is this only a 'controversy' because a 'catholic' university president has chosen to defy church doctrine, against all admonitions from the local bishop and the heirarchy of the church at large?

REQUIEM FOR THE CHURCH

.....STAR ...

.....If the Catholic hierarchy cannot convince its followers that abortion is wrong then it had best look over its shoulder ...its flock has gone astray ...

.....The Catholic Church has not adapted to the modern world ...its philosopy is still rooted in medieval Europe and its youth is drifting away ...soon it will be just a footnote in history ...

....There is no good reason why priests and nuns should not be allowed to marry and have normal family lives ...there is no good reason to oppose all forms of birth control ...Catholics are going to use birth control no matter what the Church says and soon they will no longer listen to the Church at all ...

.....Finally the MASS is confusing and difficult to understand ...life evolves but the Church does not and thus it becomes archaic and soon will become obsolete .....COLOSSUS

HighlanderJuan
"Date: May 18, 2009 - 9:22 AM EST
Second American Civil War

This one is civil so far, but we are clearly in the middle of our second civil war - one that will determine how well we survive and thrive the next century..."

It is with great satisfaction that I inform you that the second Civil War is over. You conservatives are routed because of crashed economy, war of choice and basic immorality such as torture and failing to care for the weak and sick. You lost.

Hillsdale College
accepts no Federal or State monies.

If, unfortunately, you've bought into the idea that college is what your children need to lead psychological, spiritual, and economically productive lives, send them there.

THE CHURCH AS SEEN THROUGH THE MOVIES

.....Society changes and nothing reflects this change more than what comes out of HOLLYWOOD ...

.....Movies that were popular before 1960 are far different than the movies that are made today ...when was the last time that you saw a movie that showed the Christian Church in a positive light (I don't include the PASSION OF THE CHRIST because Hollywood and the critics hated the movie and it would never have been distributed if GIBSON had not put up his own money) ...

.....Movies like KEYS TO THE KINGDOM, BEN HUR, THE ROBE AND QUO VADIS, all big hits pre-1960, are no longer made ...art reflects life and the sixties was the turning point .....COLOSSUS

Moral Relativism.


Hmmm? Here's a quote to chew on.

" As the stated goal of Islam is the imposition of Sharia Law on EVERYONE, every adult male, American Islamic is guilty of Treason, and should be put to death by hanging or firing squad "

WOuld anyone here consider that to be a statement which supports the sanctity of life?


Hal Donahue PA May 18, 2009 - 9:38 AM E

Hi Hal. No, the conservative movement is not over. The socialists, communists, and progressives may be in power right now, but the war sure isn't over.

As long as there is God, the Constitution, reason, logic, and common sense, conservatism will be alive.

And for as long as the socialists are alive and trying to destroy our country and its Constitution, we will be there, like a thorn in the side.

We will never give up and we will never back down.

Get used to the idea.

When we visited Rome
a few years ago the local tour guide told the travel group that the locals don't attend churches only tourists go to church. What does that say about the influence the Pope and cardinals have on their own holy ground? Why are we surprised at Notre Dame's attitude?

A Fetus is Human
Look, once the sperm meets the egg, it is a living organism, ergo a life.

Kevin Jackson's said it best: Check it out.

http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/

How disappointing
The title of the article promised moral relativism yet there was no hint of it anywhere. Or does mere disagreement on issues account for what conservatives call "moral relativism" these days?

Once Always A Marine
...is the problem Obama was talking about and suggesting a solution to.

Nice to know that you're the emblem of what ails the nation, eh?

A Fetus is Human

As soon as the egg meets the sperm, it's a living, growing organism.

For more perspective on this topic, check it out:

http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/

HighlanderJuan
"Date: May 18, 2009 - 10:19 AM EST
Hal Donahue PA May 18, 2009 - 9:38 AM E...As long as there is God, the Constitution, reason, logic, and common sense, conservatism will be alive..."

Hi Juan, quite a few of those words contradict each other. God and the Constitution have zero relationship to each other. You conservatives oppose the founders' constitution to try to twist it to prevent change and progress a view never held by them. Reason, logic and common sense are treasures seldom found in either side and especially absent in the current reactionary conservatism.

"...And for as long as the socialists are alive and trying to destroy our country and its Constitution, we will be there, like a thorn in the side."

Uh, there are those phantom socialists again like fighting foo fighters LOL

"...We will never give up and we will never back down."

Maybe not but a lot of you seem to have already and then of course the vast majority of you will die off soon in any case


Moral absolutes
There are currently only three I can think of: (1) Bush is the devil; (2) everything Bush and his administration did was evil; (3) the libs always claim the higher moral ground. Everything else "depends".... So why shouldn't Obama speak at Notre Dame? Let's see if he is invited to BYU.

HighlanderJuan: Excellent point!

Actually, "God, the Constitution, reason, logic, and common sense, conservatism will be alive..." are inextricably connected!

Anyone who has even a modicum of intellect, logic, and education knows that!

"...And for as long as the socialists are alive and trying to destroy our country and its Constitution, we will be there, like a thorn in the side."

Spot on!


We just have to keep in mind that these liberals just twist and spin the truth... But then, they wouldn't know the truth (ie Peelosi!)




Hal Donahue PA May 18, 2009 - 11:07 AM E

Ha ha. Very funny.

Hal, I've got five children, and they're all conservative. So, even when I die off, which I figure will happen sometime in the next 25 years, I will have created a five to one multiplier of my own philosophy.

Like I said, conservatives will always be around. Just like traditional suits.

Socialists, communists, and progressives, on the other hand, believe in abortion, so I'm not as certain about their future.

"Obama, Notre Dame, and the
Character Thing"

http://ksky.townhall.com/columnists/DrPaulKengor/2009/05/14 /obama,_notre_dame,_and_the_character_thing?page=full&comme nts=true

"In May 1995, his first year as Pennsylvania governor, Tom Ridge was invited by Gannon University, a Catholic college in Erie, Pa., to give the commencement address and receive an honorary degree. But the distinguished Republican and native son had a problem: he was a pro-choice Catholic.

"Erie Bishop Donald Trautman expressed his "concerns." Governor Ridge declined the degree.

"'The last thing I would want is for those differences to distract in any way from this wonderful day of recognition for Gannon's class of 1995,' said Ridge. His spokesman explained that the decision "came from the governor."


Yeah, it's that "Character Thing" along with honesty, scruples, and integrity ... NONE of which Obozo has.


Joel
Perfect timing.

I am confused by the apparent contradiction in some of your posts. For example, in this thread you have written about the right to life, yet you have also advocated killing all Islamic males in America.

I was just wondering about the moral relativism of it all.

strange column
Parker says that for Jenkins True leadership would have been to invite a speaker who would inspire this young audience to take seriously the values of their Catholic tradition. But if Parker followed the story at all closely she would know that Jenkins invited someone who precisely fit Parker's definition along these lines. (Actually since the invited speaker was a Catholic she might have supported the issues of social justice that Parker dismisses as political). But the role model turned down the invitation on the grounds apparently that she felt people listening to Obama would prefer what he had to say.

It is hardly Jenkins fault if conservative catholics think that their ideas are best sold by trying to silence other speakers rather than in speaking themselves.

Notre Dame and obama

If we accept the proposition that Notre Dame is a catholic school then we can, in my opinion, draw a direct correlation to the activities of the church during WW II.
The catholic church apparently knew of the killing and slaughter of the Jews yet said little or nothing. The catholic church knows that obama favors the killing and slaughter of healthy living being in the womb and out yet says very little.
I was under the impression the catholic church had very limited medical reasons for accepting abortion. I was under the impression the catholic church was against murder and slaughter of human beings.
Apparently I am wrong. The catholic church is willing to set aside its moral teaching when politically necessary. Just another failing institution.

HighlanderJuan
"Date: May 18, 2009 - 11:42 AM EST
Hal Donahue PA May 18, 2009 - 11:07 AM E

Ha ha. Very funny.

Hal, I've got five children, and they're all conservative. So, even when I die off, which I figure will happen sometime in the next 25 years, I will have created a five to one multiplier of my own philosophy."

As long as they hold. Me I just want mine to be happy and guess what they are as are my grAND KIDS

"...Like I said, conservatives will always be around. Just like traditional suits."

Oh conservatives will but not the current extreme version that is dying off quickly. Conservatism is needed for balance in a society but you call those folks RINOs

"...Socialists, communists, and progressives, on the other hand, believe in abortion, so I'm not as certain about their future."

Where are all these folks??? Who are they? Fake opponents to give meaning to your sad existence it seems like

OlGrumpy TX May 18, 2009 - 11:24 AM EST

Obama seems to be avoiding Texas. I wonder why.

Me, on the other hand, have about two more years left here in the People's Republic of Maine, then I'll be heading someplace else, most likely a place just like Texas.

Unless by that time you guys build a fence on your northern border to keep us damn Yankees the hell out.

Have a good one.

Hal Donahue
I love this guy, he is a rabid partisan and demogogue, full of all the talking points and exactly what will be the ultimate ruination of this country.
He says that conservatism is dying if not dead in large part because of the failed economy! He blames the economy on conservatism! How exactly did we crash an economy that is suffering due to excess liquidity and foolish lending practices..... nothing a real conservative would do. Conservatism, real conservatism not the George Bush brand, is the only path back to prosperity. Indeed the prosperity of sensible lending and borrowing of hard work and getting to keep more of what you work for.

This big government idol that Hal worships at has never, never anywhere been anything but stunted economies, low or no growth, all in the name of fairness. Fairness to the lazy maybe, not fairness to the hardworking and industrious.

Reducing unwanted pregnancies
I am pro-life and am all for reducing unwanted pregnancies -- I have no problem with contraception, but I'm not sure that increasing access to it is the answer. After all, very liberal New York City has one of the highest abortion rates in the country. as does Los Angeles. In both cities, contraception is readily available and in many cases, free.

My 18 yr. old recently admitted he was sexually active. I was disappointed, but I told him to make sure that he protects himself and his partner (I hope there he only has one). I think abstinence is a good idea in theory, but in the real world, where young people are inundated with so many sexual images, I'm not sure it's realistic.

Maybe the whole issue is above my pay grade.

God and the new messiah
Don't you understand, Star the things that are happening in this once blessed country is not chance. I believe that God is orchestrating events in America. He has been offended so much, He is telling us, Go your own way. The blessings we once enjoyed here in America will be taken away. I used to warch in amazement how terrible things are getting with this new messiah in the trappings of POWER. That's the word you will be hearing from now on, now that the american 'catholics' are cheering him on. Every american should see those videos of abortions being shown. No, they would rather hide their heads in the sand. I'm old enough to remember when the German people hid their heads in the sand in the early 30's until it was too late. After his speech and acclamation, next I will see everybody 'goose stepping' at his rallies, and then there will be 'Heil Barama'. That's one sure thing about History. It always repeats itself.
The Holy Mother of God must be tearfully weeping at seeing Her
children adoring a man who believes in and votes to have a baby born alive after an abortion killed by removing food and water to that baby. Watch Obama's arrogance after his jubilant triumph at Notre Dame. When I think of that name which means "Our Lady' dragged through the mud I have to cry. I would like to tell all those 'catholics' out there, Jesus and His Mother will triumph in the end.
By the way, Janet Napolitano, I am a rightwing extremist who loves this once blessed country with a passion. God Bless America, after He gets finished with it.

God Works In Wonderous Ways
In spite of my prayers for miraculously preventing BO at Notre Dame, he followed through on his pro-abortion speech. Reviewing the situation, the recent Gallup poll, in my opinion, was God's answer to my prayers.
Mysteriously, for the first time in 14 years, a majority of Americans were reported to be opposed to abortion. That poll came out just prior to the Shame of Notre Dame. We should all thank God that the tide has just turned against killing the unborn. Armed with that good news from the battle front, from now on our army of pro-lifers will constantly be at spiritual and physical war with the forces of evil and culture of death. Viva Pro-Life!

autodidacticism
Friends, those of us still devoted to Jesus Christ and the Path of light, life, wisdom and love that he taught us.
I am just a humble Gnostic-Christian, but I would like to suggest something Here.

It is time for us to rebel against the establishment and authorities of this time; the liberal media, entertainment industry, colleges, universities & political system have gone too far into an extreme.
The hippies won, my friends, and this is their time.

If we want to stay faithful to Jesus and to God we must walk away from those things that try to destroy our faith and love. The desert fathers and mothers did so. I see this time as the rise of a new paganism - an Anti-Christ episode in human history. We have Islam as one extreme and Modern Liberalism as the other. Both are like mill stones grinding us into dust. As Christians we are in the middle. We must stop giving our wealth (power) to those institutions and businesses that wish us harm & despise us & we must stay true to Jesus Christ.

Those of us who still wish to love God should begin to study and learn on our own and become self-motivated learners. It is not the only solution but it must be considered. It is called autodidacticism - a lovely long word isn't it? We don't need the colleges - they have become indoctrination centers into a single world-view and philosophy. Why give them power over us? Yes, it means that we will no longer be professionals with those lovely pieces of paper but I would rather have spiritual laurels, anyway.
The knowledge is available. We just have to work as our own teachers, learn how to learn.

With the Birth of the Internet knowledge is nearly free. Study is possible any free moment. Books are relatively cheap. Friends can help friends. Even the structure of learning, I believe, will be changed in the future as the implications the internet begin to dawn on us, all.

doofass-the-Pet rock: The ONLY reason

Obozo won the election (by the NARROW margin, 52% - 48%) is that McCain was NOT the Conservative the Republican party was looking for.

You're playing little mind games with yourself, in your own little mind.

And those Tea Parties that you would like to believe were a failure... ha ha ha... Lot's of democrats not only attended, but organized.

The lilly-livered liberals should be worried... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA



Obama at Notre Dame
Although I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt to the administration of Notre Dame in allowing a venue for Barack Obama and an offering of the olive branch, I did not truly believe it would have any meaningful positive result. Your article is square on in diagnosing the situation, and very enlightening on the situation in ALL universities, not just Notre Dame. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for stating what everyone else seemed to either not know or ignore. "Catholics" who support Barack Obama and abortion are not the true Catholics, the ones who support the Church and ALL her teachings, especially those regarding the sanctity of ALL life. And the "great event" provided zero discussion or dialogue on the issues, as I knew it wouldn't, but merely reflect the moral relativism so pervasive in our society. But as a practicing Catholic, I continue to believe in and pray for the eventual of OUR LADY and Notre Dame. Thanks again for saying what no one else had and what was so very needed.

David
"Date: May 18, 2009 - 12:01 PM EST
Hal Donahue
I love this guy, he is a rabid partisan and demogogue, full of all the talking points and exactly what will be the ultimate ruination of this country.
He says that conservatism is dying if not dead in large part because of the failed economy!...Conservatism, real conservatism not the George Bush brand, is the only path back to prosperity. Indeed the prosperity of sensible lending and borrowing of hard work and getting to keep more of what you work for..."

Primarily because all you version of conservatism did was consume the work of past generations. It worked a bit for Reagan because there was so much but a generation of taking and not building or replacing has taken its toll upon the country. Bush was indeed the epitome of your viral form of conservatism - he did what he wanted and ignored everyone else. That id THE commandment of your version of conservatism - hooray for me to heck with you

"...This big government idol that Hal worships at has never, never anywhere been anything but stunted economies, low or no growth, all in the name of fairness. Fairness to the lazy maybe, not fairness to the hardworking and industrious."

LMAO two examples WWII and the 1950's and 1960's big government not only saved out butt in war but put a chicken in every pot and provided many a house to keep the pot in. That is what you extremists miss. It is a balance it is not an all or nothing thing. Nothing we have Nigeria All we have Cuba. Balance David is the answer not extremism

Obama at Notre Dame
Just wanted to add a quick editorial correction to my comment...thinking got too far ahead of typing...I meant to conclude by saying that I will continue to believe in and pray for the eventual VICTORY of OUR LADY and Notre Dame. Obama and people of his ilk are a flash in the pan. God has a much better won/loss record, even better than Notre Dame.

Gerad
"The catholic church apparently knew of the killing and slaughter of the Jews yet said little or nothing. "

Gerad,
The RC had thousands of its preists die in concentration camps; it assisted in the hiding of hundreds of thousands of Italien, German, and Polish Jews in its monastaries, convents, and churches. In France, thousands of Jewish children were converted in order to keep them from being carted off to death camps.

Please explain how you keep this slander alive without a shred of evidence to the contrary.

Lon
"It is hardly Jenkins fault if conservative catholics think that their ideas are best sold by trying to silence other speakers rather than in speaking themselves."

Lon,
Fr Jenkins was acting in direct disobedience to the USCCB (Catholic Bishops). In 2006, they published the guidelines on honoring pro-abortion politicians. Fr Jenkins niether followed what he is obligated to follow, and he lied about it in public. This is niether a conservative nor a political thing. Fr Jenkins gave an honor to a man who is the most raidical abortion supporter ever to sit in the oval office. Notre Dame is French for Our Lady. Our Lady chose to carry, give birth, and raise the Son of Christ -the Messiah. Fr Jenkins actions not only were disobedient, but theologically gave great offence to God.

It is obvious that Fr Jenkins and his many supporters fear and adore a mere mortal, and are not the least bit concerned about thier own salvation, let alone the lives of the unborn and other children.

In short, ND has become no better than those other catholic institutions (Georgetown, Gonzaga, Depaul, Xavier, etc..). ND is just another POS private school that charges $50,000 for tuition. Even its football team is now second rate.

One thing
that never seems to be mentioned is how universities have been permitted to remain under the control of the left. The educational systems in America turn out leftists. Universities are nothing but finishing schools for brainwashed leftists.

During the 1960s radical leftist students took over university administration buildings, became members of terrorist groups and just generally turned things up side down. Today many of those same students are tenured professors at universities all over America.

Look at Bill Ayers and Angela Davis. She makes no apologies about being a communist and makes big bucks on speaking tours around the country. What is she speaking about? The same communist, America hating crap she talked about in the 60s.

The question is why has this been permitted to happen? There have been Republican and Democratic administrations in America since the sixties. A leftist education produces more Democrats than Republicans. Why have the Republicans failed to even mention the blatant leftist indoctrination America's children are subjected to in the educational systems?

It is very easy to be dismissed as a conspiracy theorist. In fact conspiracies do exist. The result of left wing control over the education of American children has brought us to the sorry state of the nation today.

The Democratic and Republican Parties have become amazingly similar to each other. The Bush Administration grew government. Obama picked up that baton and launched an almost maniacal spending program. Many Republicans voted for it without even reading it.

America appears to be in its final days as a free republic. I don't know about anyone else, but I blame the politicians in both parties for that. If the Tea Parties should focus on any issue, it should be the betrayal of the American people by the politicians who allowed America's schools and universities to become the contemptible indoctrination mills that they are.

B.O. at Notre Dame
It sure sends the wrong message to these young graduates. Allowing the by-proxy abortionist-in-chief with his serial lying, deceit, and purposeful obfuscation to try to sway, really infect, these fresh minds with his rancid bad-for-America agenda is disturbing to say the least.

Skip
Thanks I really love it when you reactionaries play the helpless victim LOL

Fathe Jenkins - please
step down and take the board of trustees with you. At this point I am more Catholic than you are and I am not even a Christian! BO supports infanticide and don't even dare to suggest otherwise, Father Jenkins. Inviting BO was like inviting Herod or Pontius Pilate. BO will not back down on his support for abortion on demand and infanticide. I hope Father Jenkins, that you enjoyed yukking it up with the Prez while the preborn - and the born alive - suffer.

Where the heart is
As a non-Catholic, I was always heartened by the strong position the Catholic Church took against the moral scourge of abortion in America. No other institution spoke with the moral clarity or forcefulness of the Catholic Church in condemning the wrong of abortion.

But now even that voice is moderating its outspokenness against abortion. All you really hear from the Catholic Church these days is prefunctory references to its opposition to abortion. It all sounds so routine and lacking in passion.

The saddest part of all of this is that the leaders of the Catholic Church seem to be blind to how much they have watered down what used to be an unmistakeable voice urging America to confront the evil of abortion in our society.


Anne PA May 18, 2009 - 11:27 AM EST

Hi, Anne. Top of the morning to you.

I think the libs, in their struggles to be diverse, don't understand that diverse thinking leads to defeat in the world of thought. They want conservatives to move to the center where our views can get mixed up with everyone else's views. Unh, unh.

Doesn't work that way.

Conservative thought stays the course on a single pattern of thought. Conservatives understand they're thinking properly, and in the end, they will win the argument of thought. Because conservatives ARE right. The conservative thinking process has been going on since the beginning of man.

Socialism, communism, and progressive thought, on the other hand, is so twentieth century. And its thinking process has such a huge pattern of failure. Why anyone would follow this philosophy of thinking is beyond me. It's a loser's pathway to continued self destruction.

Maybe it's just a lack of maturity thing with the progressives.

There are only about a dozen things you have to know and practice in order to be successful and happy in life, and libs just don't get it. They are so destructive.

Barry the Good Neighbor:
A conservative was going down from Chicago to South Bend, when he fell into the hands of tenured professors. They stripped him of his clothes, took all his money, pelted him with acorns and went away, leaving him battered, bloodied and naked. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a CINO (Catholic In Name Only), when he came to the place and saw him, he too passed by on the other side. But Barry, as he traveled returning the sacred scrolls within the ark of the Teleprompter to the city of their origin, came where the man was; and when he saw him, thought to himself, “Damn! How inconvenient.” He directed his chauffeur, Jenks, to drive the tour bus directly over the helpless conservative squashing him as flat as a bug beneath the foot of an elephant. Barry was pleased that he would now be able to return home without delay. There he could nail his newly acquired mail-order law degree over the fireplace mantle covering up some ancient boring document left behind by some dude named Jefferson. Barry noted that he was a really good neighbor since he had ended the conservative’s misery. Then he told Jenks to also drive over the priest and the CINO. “They’re not good neighbors.” Barry said.

With apologies to the great Doctor Luke.

Gill O'Teen

Great article Star
Unfortunatley, all is lost within the "higher learning institutions" when Notre Dame, a well known Catholic School, invites President Obama to speak at their graduation. A man who stands firmly on the grounds of abortion, a complete contradiction to Catholic belief, is not only invited but praised. Truely remarkable. I'd be embarrassed if I were a parent or a student at that school. They look ridiculous

To HAL
"I am certain abstinence will be part of the answer. As seen in the Palin family, it works so well"

It did work very well. As long as the Palin daughter was practicing it guess what? SHE DIDN'T GET PREGNANT...

She and her boyfriend made the choice to have sex. Therefore she had a baby. It was an unexpected pregnancy (although how you can have sex and not expect that eventually nature is going to take it's course is beyond me...) but I do not believe that it was unwanted. I wish people would stop looking at unplanned children as unwanted and look at them as unexpected...you didn't plan for them prior to conception, so guess what you get to plan for them afterwards...


Translating Obama for USC grads...
"We can still agree that this heart-wrenching decision for any woman is not made casually, it has both moral and spiritual dimensions."..."So don't you dare judge infant killers as heartless. Like Father Jenkins, they wrestle with their conscience. It's just that their consciences always loses." "So let us work together to reduce the number of women seeking abortions"..."By spreading birth and population control worldwide and continuing to treat children as problems to overcome."
"Let's make adoption more available."..."By shutting down Catholic charities units as in Boston and SF who don't permit gay adoption."
"Let's provide care and support for women who do carry their children to term."..."By enlarging my social entitlement programs."
"Let's honor the conscience of those who disagree with abortion, and draft a sensible conscience clause,"..."unlike the clause I just eroded with a stroke of the pen."

Hal Donahue,
OK, I'll play. I'm a reactionary and a victim. You are consistently attacking any conservative who posts with your sarcastic and uninformed diatribes. I really think that you enjoy what you do. Perverse people usually do.

I described a reality that you didn't even try to dispute. Why? Because you don't have the skills. Are you actually denying that leftists control the educational systems? Are you saying that politicians of both parties have not allowed this to happen?

Of course you aren't, because you can't. It is true. Like every other goofy leftist, your only response is sarcasm and hostility. Pitiful. Pitiful and disgusting.

Know the Enemy
Know the Enemy
The basis of politics is religion.
Politics is the battle between good and evil.
The basis for the battle between good and evil is the salvation of the human soul; who is saved and goes to heaven, and who is damned and goes to hell.
The battle for the human soul is between the Devil or Satan, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Those allied with the Devil are Anti-Christians and they are constantly at war with Jesus Christ and his Church, the Holy Roman Catholic Church.
The enemies of Jesus Christ and His Church are those that worship the body and the material world and who are opposed to the dignity and freedom of the individual.
The Enemies of the Church and Jesus Christ are: Communists, Socialists, Atheists, Materialists, Secular Humanists, Polytheists, Pantheists, Homosexual Activists, Abortionists, Secret Societies, all Governments that prohibit free speech and free worship, and all Activists that work to suppress Christians, Christianity, and Christian morals.

Joel-De Oppresso Liber "Neither group
has any Right to disrupt the other side's meetings. The Rights you refer to are part of your right to disagree with the Government, and to make that known publicly without repercussion."

Well, Joel, we now know that the Leftie can barge into a Conservative sponsored talk being given by Ann Coulter, Mike Adams, Star Parker, etc. and walk away unscathed; whereas a Rightie can appear on campus days before a scheduled Liberal speech and and be arrested and fined for speaking his mind. How 'publicly without repercussion' is that?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

And when a government official sponsors worldwide abortion on our dime (as Obama has) he can be held accountable anytime, anywhere. And we the people can speak our mind opposing him without fear of repercussion as you say.

Furthermore, we have the right to do so publicly. But that right is apparently only reserved Liberals interrupting Conservatives.

m.a. - anyone can CLAIM to be Christian

m.a. writes: “There are hundreds of thousands of people in America who call themselves Catholic, and millions more who call themselves Christian. And the vast majority of these people voted for Obama, and have been voting for pro-abortion and pro-homosexual marriage proponents for years.”


People can call themselves whatever they want, and millions of people call themselves Christians, but that don’t make it so:


“For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.” (2 Corinthians 10:18)


“If ye love me, keep my commandments.” (John 14:15)


“Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. [21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:20-23)

The Vast Majority?
"There are hundreds of thousands of people in America who call themselves Catholic, and millions more who call themselves Christian. And the vast majority of these people voted for Obama" The vast majority of all Americans didn't vote for Obama. I assume you have some source for the vast majority of Christians voting for Obama.

Know the Enemy
Among others, the enemy is anyone who would tell a whopper like this--"The basis of politics is religion."

Obama's speech was about the problems created, and intended, by people like you who seek to demonize, divide, hate.

Parker - unity in the body of Christ...

Parker: “Scott... Your bible quotes could easily be applied to numerous protestant churches and denominations throughout the united States.”


They should be. There is no more Authority in Scripture for Protestantism than there is for Roman Catholicism. Many Protestants claim to hold the inspired Word of God as the highest Authority in all things, some certainly more than others, but if they really do, they will also withdraw from members who reject the plain Word of God, as Jesus commanded.

If they truly believe the Word of God, they will no longer follow after the doctrines of men, like John Calvin and others.

They will no longer call themselves after the names of churches founded by men. I know Roman Catholics love to beat up Protestants about that, but there’s no Roman Catholic Church in Scripture *either*. Christ’s church is called the church of God (1 Cor 1:2), the church of the Firstborn (Hbr 12:23), the church of Christ (Rom 16:16). Those who follow Him are called Christians (Acts 11:26). They are not called Protestants or Roman Catholics, or by any other denominational name. They wear the name of Christ.

If Protestants truly believe the Word of God, they will organize their churches according to the pattern God revealed in Scripture. Each congregation is to have its own deacons and elders, but they have no authority over any other congregation. There are no “synods” or “boards of directors” or “presidents”, but neither are there any Arch-Bishops or Popes; not once in God’s plan for His church in all of Scripture.

If Protestants truly believe the Word of God, they will reject any and all teachings that contradict the inspired Word of God.

And if the Roman Catholic Church truly believes the Word of God, it will do the same.

If Protestants and Roman Catholics truly held the inspired Word of God as the highest Authority in all things, there would be unity in the body of Christ.

Parker - God’s way, or some other way?


Parker writes: “Do yourself a favor and demonstrate the love of Christ you profess to confess.”


I am doing that right now: “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” (Jude 1:3, cf. 2 Tim 3:16)


~~~


Parker: “Honor Christ and do not bear false witness against your neighbor.”


I have borne no false witness; I have presented the Word of God.


~~~


Parker: “I wonder... Should Notre Dame have invited a known supporter of racial segregation (David Duke)”


No. And neither should any other college. No double-standard. Just one standard - the Word of God.


~~~


Parker: “Is this only a 'controversy' because a 'catholic' university president has chosen to defy church doctrine, against all admonitions from the local bishop and the heirarchy of the church at large?”


No one disputes that murder is a sin against God. How much more so is murdering an innocent child? If the RCC is going to allow members to flaunt their rebellion toward God, and then do nothing about it, what else do you expect?

If any member of the Lord’s church did any such thing, and refused to repent, that person would be withdrawn from, according to the commandment of Jesus Christ. The congregation of which I am a member had to withdraw from an errant brother just a couple of months ago. We are hopeful and prayerful that he will recognize his error, repent, turn back to the Lord and be restored to the Lord’s church.

Clearly, the Roman Catholic Church does things its own way. Or maybe they won’t do anything at all about it, as the case may be. That is their prerogative, but it is not according to God’s Word.


[It is not my intention to anger you, Parker; I speak directly, both to cut through all the clutter, and because space is limited.]

Omamas biggest support is among young
idiots??!!.That's supposed to be a newsflash. Only the young, stupid and gullible could support "ears".