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Monday, April 06, 2009
Star Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Embracing our future by ignoring our past
by Star Parker
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The Congressional Budget Office, the economic forecasting arm of the Congress, now reports that the Social Security trust fund is almost in the red. They project that the fund's surplus next year will be a scant $3 billion.

For perspective, CBO just 12 months ago projected that this same surplus would be $86 billion -- almost 30 times larger. Plus, the CBO estimated then that the fund would not be in the red for another ten years. Now it looks like it may be next year.

Beyond discovering that Social Security is in even worse shape than anyone thought, might there be a learning opportunity here?

As President Obama takes our government into the automobile business, the mortgage and banking businesses, the health care business, the energy business, and the environmental planning business, he is working on a basic premise.

This premise, of course, is that we'll be better off if we turn more of our lives and resources over to government bureaucrats to manage. Not only has this been tried many times. Every time it's been tried, it's been a complete failure.

But despite the consistent failures of government management, Barack Obama has America believing it will be different this time. He has turned up with an old, flea-bitten, worm infested mutt and everybody's excited that they are getting a new puppy. Yes, the man can sell.

The magic is so powerful that, as we set off to re-invent America, few are paying attention to the broken, bankrupt dinosaurs on our hands that are the products of our previous forays in exactly the same direction.

The first, of course, was Social Security. When Roosevelt signed it into law in 1935, he said it would address the problem that "the civilization of the past hundred years, with its startling industrial changes, has tended more and more to make life insecure."

His great idea for making our lives secure was to tax everyone working and use those funds to pay stipends out to those who are retired.

The social engineering made sense to many in 1935, when the country had 40 people working for everyone retired.

The problem with social engineering is that the world constantly changes, but government programs don't.

Among other things, over the years, life spans have increased and families have shrunk. From 40 working Americans per retiree in 1935, we're down to a 3-1 ratio today.

As the ratio of workers to retirees has dwindled, adjustments were made to taxes and the retirement age to keep the system going. But it is impossible for bureaucrats to keep pace with a dynamic world. Only free markets can do that, which is why they work so well.

Estimates are that the current payroll tax will have to at least double to pay for upcoming generations. Our young people now entering the workforce could get twice the return on their money with just a bank CD.

The last attempt to "fix" Social Security was in 1983 with a special commission headed by Alan Greenspan. It supposedly was going to fix the system well into the 21st century. Within ten years it was clear that it didn't.

The Greenspan commission came up with the idea of raising even more funds from the payroll tax to build a trust fund to deal with the increasing number of retirees per worker.

The fund has been a joke because as the money went in, our government just spent it. So now it's just a pile of government IOU's. Now even that fund is almost in the red, ten years earlier than government economists were projecting just last year.

Other government conceived and managed dinosaurs, Medicare and Medicaid, are in even worse shape.

Re-invent America by bringing government management to our auto, banking, energy, and health care industries? If you ignore all past experience, you might like the idea.

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Star Parker is the founder and president of CURE, the Coalition for Urban Renewal & Education, a 501c3 think tank which explores and promotes market based public policy to fight poverty, as well as author of White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects Inner City Decay.
 
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Who will be a part of sending a message?

Tea parties, April 15th.


Libs voted for this Subversive wimp 1

If the supporters of Barack Obama out there didn't know what a Party led by the likes of Harry "The War is lost" Reid, Nancy "I'm trying to save the planet" Pelosi, and Barack "We need to spread the wealth around" Obama thinks about your "freedom of choice", Democrat hot-shot Senator John Kerry's comments:
_______________________________________________

John Kerry: You Know What's the Problem With Stimulus Tax Cuts? All That Freedom.

His argument against tax cuts for Americans during these hard economic times was illuminating:

"I've supported many tax cuts over the years, and there are tax cuts in this proposal. But a tax cut is non-targeted.

If you put a tax cut into the hands of a business or family, there's no guarantee that they're going to invest that or invest it in America.

They're free to go invest anywhere that they want if they choose to invest."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/02/john_ke rry_you_know_whats_the.asp
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There you have it...

John Kerry’s reason for supporting government intervention in private markets. You see, to them, you don’t have any say so, they do.

The way they see it; you pay the costs…they’ll be the boss.

Kerry’s opinion is in lock-step with the fundamental anti-Constitutional one of His Husseiness, Barack Obama. Obamamaniacs, running around and chanting, “Yes we can” with a thrill running up their legs, were unaffected when their “messiah” described the Constitution [which guarantees our freedoms and is the basis of ALL our laws] as a flawed, negative document.

Libs voted for this Subversive wimp 2

Seven years before Barack Obama's "spread the wealth" comment to Joe the Plumber became a GOP campaign theme, the Democratic presidential candidate said in a radio interview the U.S. has suffered from a fundamentally flawed Constitution that does not mandate or allow for redistribution of wealth.

In a 2001 taped interview, Obama can be heard telling Chicago's public station WBEZ-FM in 2001 that "redistributive change" is needed, pointing to what he regarded as a failure of the U.S. Supreme Court under Chief Justice Earl Warren in its rulings on civil rights issues in the 1960s.

The Warren court, he said, failed to "break free from the essential constraints" in the U.S. Constitution and launch a major redistribution of wealth.

But Obama, then an Illinois state lawmaker, said the legislative branch of government, rather than the courts, probably was the ideal avenue for accomplishing that goal.

In the 2001 interview, Obama said:

“… the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical.

The only thing I disagree
with in the column is this statement: "Barack Obama has America believing it will be different this time."

He only has less than HALF the country buying his snake oil; those that voted for him.

Unfortunately, we were presented with a lack of choice in the last election, because McLiberal was just as bad on the issue... and in fact, STILL is, as he's endorsed Obambi's initiatives.

We were screwed from the jump in 2008. Now all we can try to do is fend off the barbarians at the gate.

Hopefully we'll have some better options for next year's mid-terms, and 2012.

BOTH parties are to blame for this mess.

Libs voted for this Subversive wimp 3

Barack Hussein Obama on the Constitution continued:

“It [the hated Constitution of the United States of America] didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. “

He continues to spew:

“Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government MUST DO on your behalf.”

For you brainless liberals, that translates into F**k your rights!!

He further vomits:

“And that hasn't shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that.”

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=79225
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If I am given the choice, as I obviously am now, to support the President or the Constitution of the United States of America--the choice is a clear one for me.

I chose to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign AND domestic...

...even if that means not supporting a President who, although taking the same oath, considers the Constitution a flawed document.

Libs voted for this Subversive wimp 4

How can we expect Barack Hussein Obama to "protect or defend" a Constitution whose principles he fundamentally disagrees with? With less than 100 days in office, he has proven beyond the benefit of a doubt his subversive intent. “Protect and defend the Constitution?”

His [and the Socialist-Democrat Party's] redistribution of wealth package is all the evidence I need to convince me that he [and the Democrat Party which is lined up to give him free reign] has no intention of doing either.
As far as I’m concerned, if he were a citizen, he would be a traitor.

Why should anyone be surprised now, when he travels around Europe, and anywhere else they’ll listen to him, trashing America’s “arrogance,” and proclaiming “Europe’s leading role in the world?”

The only “leading role” I see Europe playing, is to take the lead in allowing the takeover Islamic extremism and Sharia law. Perhaps that’s the lead our Islamic president is seeking to follow.

The views John Kerry shared on his opposition to a tax cut/tax holiday type of solution to the so-called "economic crisis" facing OUR free-market businesses and the citizens who created and maintain them; that he and the other Democrat Party hacks in Washington D.C. are the ones who know best how to invest OUR hard-earned money, is a view shared by Barack Hussein Obama, himself.

Libs voted for this Subversive wimp 5

The very nincompoops who claimed that their "civil liberties" were being taken away by Bush/Cheney tapping foreign cell phone transmissions, in their attempts to combat Islamic jihadist's designs on destroying our nation from within, cried, “Bush is taking away our freedoms, Bush is imposing on our liberties, Bush is spying on Americans, he’s tapping our cell phones!!”

Now these “progressives” are being treated to the news that the Obama administration and his Democrat Socialist cabal of dictatorial Congressional despots, after already taking over GM and Chrysler and spending trillions of dollars of their grandchildren’s futures so Obama and his friends can wine and dine on $100 a pound imported Japanese beef and sneak million dollar bonuses in for Stealfromus bills to reward Timmy “The Tool” Geithner’s banking and Wall Street buddies, are now, in the process of trying to pass bills that would give Obama’s ACORN thugs access to your private email accounts and private internet communications. Not because of any “Overseas Contingency Operations” to prevent "state sponsored human-caused disasters" but to keep tabs on regular American citizen’s communications.

The liberal Obama-slobbering robot idiots who voted for this Lone Stranger, voted upon themselves and us all, a regime of Socialist dictatorship under a Democrat Party that would subvert the Constitution, take our earnings to spend as they wish, and one whose President and Congressional representatives hold nothing but disdain for the very Constitution that guarantees our right to avoid their authority to do so.

When the $h!t does hit the fan, you will be held accountable.

When that time comes, don’t say we didn’t warn you.

No matter
how good you are at pointing out that people are better off without all of these government programs and that government program have been one failure after failure you still have many people believe that government is the answer and not the problem. Even though all of these government programs are complete failures they are still around. A lot of these people want to act irresponsible and have the government pick up the pieces. T.E.A. parties everywhere.

BrianR, 12:31 AM post.

Sorry, good buddy... both parties, as you put it, were not the only ones to blame for this mess.

We the people also have a little poo on our hands.

Especially many "well-meaning" conservatives, plus a large number of moderates who fell for Obama's "divine" prophesy that "the oceans were going to recede and the earth would heal".

But then again, I could be wrong.

On second thought... naah.

Tea parties, April 15th.



Star is correct--
Right on the money again and so are the posts by the Marine.

Ya know
A private individual who runs this kind of scheme goes to jail.

A politician who runs this kind of scheme gets re-elected.

The type of scheme: PONZI

Star
The one thing that you forgot to mention is
that most, with the exception of health care,
are meant to be temporary. You KNOW that. You
just forgot to mention it because if you did
mention it you would be as unpopular as Ms.
Parker who has finally gotten around to telling
whole truths.

As for the health care, for however bad it
may be in the future, it will be no worse than
what we have now. And the vast majority of
the U.S. citizens agree with me on that one.

I disagree Tammy
"the vast majority of Americans agree w. you" I don't think so. It wasn't a vast majority that voted for BO. There are many as sheeple - who just believe what they are told by the politicians, that government will improve health care if they take it over. They should do a thorough study of other countries who have nationalized h. care, and seen how much they pay and how long they have to wait for services they want! Gov. is good at creating vast amounts of bureaucracy, and losing things and robbing designated funds for other (pet) projects and pork.
Don't be so gullible. Demand to see the plan before falling for 'hope & change' in all we see. All this president has proposed so far is to triple the debt in one year. It is utterly crazy to keep borrowing. When the 'vast majority' - or if the vast majority ever wakes up, they will regret such foolish decisions. But then the vast majority has no patience, wants instant success, and has forgotten the principles of living within their means that made America great!
Dems love big government. I wonder what kind of jobs BO has in mind? Mindless agencies to check on records and monitor things. I don't see much creativity in that. Nevermind the jobs that will be eliminated due to high tax rates and penalties on business. Talk about job creation w/o admitting those you will eliminate is a charade!!

Harpo Marge
" It wasn't a vast majority that voted for BO. There are many sheeple - who are just believe
what politicians tell them"

First) If it had not been for the religious
right who have and always will vote for the
abortion/gays issue no matter what, a lot more
people would have voted for Obama, or to be more
specific - the health care issue.

Second) It was not the politicians who were
promoting the health care issue. They
ignored Hillary - even in her own party. But
during those following 12 years a whole lot
more people became users of the health care
system, ran into all sorts of problems with it
(over priced, under covered, or no coverage
at all), and generally said that what we have
is a disgrace.

And they were right.

oncealways a marine is so right
see Subversive wimp #5 entry: You are soo correct unfortunately, these "progressives" and "enlightened ones" are such nincompoops. They rant and rave about Bush tapping their secret info, and are all too willing to roll over and give away not only our present wealth but any future possible gains to let the gov. have at it. "sneak[in] million dollar bonuses in for Stealfromus bills to reward Timmy “The Tool” Geithner’s banking and Wall Street buddies, are now, in the process of trying to pass bills that would give Obama’s ACORN thugs access to your private email accounts and private internet communications."

Think people. Give up your prejudices. How about reading some of this history of our country, not the revisionist stuff that won't tell you the truth. Digging a deeper hole of debt will not get us our of debt. It never has, and never will. This precious country is being ruined by an amateur who never ran anything before.

Don't say you haven't been warned. Wake up and smell the coffee!

once always a marine, thank you for your service, and do not lose faith. We need such as you to tell the real truth!

Cost
70% of health care cost are in the management of health care.My own doctor has 2 nurses and 3 people to take care of the paper work.When I grew up the doctor had a receptionist a nurse and himself.

Star
"...This premise, of course, is that we'll be better off if we turn more of our lives and resources over to government bureaucrats to manage. Not only has this been tried many times. Every time it's been tried, it's been a complete failure."

No one is advocating turning ALL our lives over to bureaucrats BUT government bureaucrats do work to guarantee safe food, air, toys, power grids, national defense, public safety etc. Laissez faire capitalism ala' reaganism/hooverism also has never worked; the outcome is always the same: depression and poverty. Now what has worked since our founding IS investing in our people and infrastructure while taking care of our young, old, weak and sick. Want to do away with Medicare, social security, etc? Then you have a poor nation mired in poverty and ignorance.

Social security, social engineering
Never mind that the programs are bankrupt. The Constitution never gave the federal government authority to spend money on such things! Defense-Yes. Minting the currency-Yes. Foreign Affairs-Yes.
But all this intrusion into what is the people's and state's areas of responsibility-definitely not!
The money flowing from the feds into every segment of our lives, from education to agriculture subsidies, wil give Obama the opening he needs to direct all of it from the White House.No bailouts required.

scottK
"Date: Apr 6, 2009 - 12:21 AM EST
If not now... when?

Who will be a part of sending a message?

Tea parties, April 15th."

I'll be watching but my guess is even by planning them for lunchtime or after work your folks are too timid, frightened and lazy to get off their butts and show up.

Hal Donkeypoo
you so funny

Ms Parker
You wrote that the "Social Security fund's surplus will be a scant $3 billion next year." Do you think today's politicians care? I mean after all, the older folks that have paid into SS all their working lives are mere Americans!

Many millions of retired Americans that have spent all their working lives living from paycheck to paycheck. Most spending every dime they have (after the government stole 30% of what they earned) just to survive. These folks didn't have the extra money to invest in stocks and bonds for retirement. So they are not rich and for many if not most, SS is their only income. And Medicare is the only way they can get medical care.

You say.."that the current payroll tax will have to at least double to pay for upcoming generations." Why is that? I'll tell you why. Because the the politicians are to busy fleecing it's citizens! Stealing the money that was meant for SS. Now, they want to make it look like it's our fault! And their going to tax us even more to replace what THEY STOLE!

They use the "Fear Factor" telling us that the fund is only $3 billion and they must raise tax's!

They do this while Giving $900 Billion OF OUR TAX MONEY, to our enemy Hamas!! And Hundreds of Billions to other countries around the world!

Why didn't they use that $900 Billion to replace what they stole from SS? Because we are 'mere' Americans WE don't count! We're supposed to shut up a take it! As they steal from us!

The Declaration of Independence stated "When a long train of abuses and usurpation's pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce [a people] under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their DUTY, to throw off such Government,"

It's time folks!!

Saving Social Security
One Tax and Done can become law by writing a single bill:
HOUSE BILL HB______
Effective June 31, 2009, all existing federal taxes, fees, and charges of all kinds are repealed, and are null and void.
Effective July 1, 2009, all federal tax revenue shall be collected using a single full-income tax levied on living persons. there shall be no exemptions or deductions. There shall be no spending in excess of tax revenue except to fund the national defense during time of declared war.
A three-fifth (3/5) majority vote by the Senate and the House of Representatives is required to increase tax rates.
Sixteen percent (16%) of all tax revenue shall be placed in a separate account not accessible to Congress, to fund Social Security and Medicare.
The official definition of income is this: Income shall include, but not be limited to, wages, salary, tips, royalties, stock options, inheritances (not including primary family residences bequeathed to spouses; or family farms or small family businesses bequeathed to family members), all interest including that from municipal bonds, dividends, capital gains (not including increase in assessed value of family home), pension payments, welfare payments, food subsidies, clothing subsidies, housing subsidies, all benefits and perquisites of public office, profits received by owners of small businesses, and proceeds from all criminal actions.

There would be no problem if the Democrats in Congrass hadn't stolen and spent the money in SS, and replaced it with worthless IOU's.

the illusion of "S.S."
"Consider one more example: Many politicians believe that the Social Security retirement age has to be raised - that we have no choice. And yet, rather than risk angering the elderly and getting voted out of office, they willingly allow that crippling "entitlement" to stand unaddressed while they offer pretend solutions in the hopes of fooling their constituents just enough to survive the next election."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It is rare to find anyone who realizes what a scam S.S. actually is. It is actually the single biggest income tax that a majority pays.

Briefly, until the 1960's, the vast S.S. withdrawals actually were maintained in a S.S. Trust Fund. The demographics were fabulous-- when it started, there were 20 or so workers paying in for each retiree. There SHOULD have been an outstanding demographic advantage and a HUGE trust fund.

It might never have become a problem, really, except that LBJ and the 'Crats decided to start raiding it to pay for "guns and butter." Translated, it was merged with IRS funds into the "common fund" because they needed a way to pay for the welfare programs of the Great Society and Viet Nam-- BOTH TERRIBLE MISTAKES!

Now we have spent some $11 TRILLION on the Great Society to eliminate poverty-- RIGHT! As for S.S., THERE IS NO TRUST FUND! We pay a portion of the huge forced extractions to retirees (transfer payments similar to welfare, really), and the rest is wasted on Iraq, pork, etc.

Star Breaks it Down
Great history lesson, in simple language. Conservative columns and radio talk are the best hope at educating people on these critical fiscal issues.

Hal Donahue and Barack Obama
Should be tried for treason.
Convicted.

These two are so ignorant of our country's founding father's intents it is embarrasing to call Hal and Barack Americans.

Yesterday I stood in Indedpendence Hall in Philadelphia with my family. I wish every American could feel the spirits of George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and the other men responsible for the creation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The Hal Donahues and Barack Obamas of this country are all too willing to spit on and destroy all that our country was founded on.

Independence. Independence. Independence.

Got it Hal? No.

Got it Barack? No.

demythologizing S.S.

re:
"Do you STILL want social security privatized?!"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well yes, actually!

The pro-guvment ilk loves to bray of late about the recent stock market crash-- ironically CAUSED by the guvment demanding that banks make sub-prime mortgages, and aggravated by the quasi-guvment Fannie Mae, which was bankrupted by the crooked Clinton appointee Franklin Raines, who paid himself millons while cooking its books. Both left and right in guvment deserve censure for deregulating financial institutions... repeal of Glass-Stegall under Slick Willie Clinton was a mistake... and we should always regulate those loaning other peoples' money. Some further bray that the market dive proves that it would be "too risky" to allow people to retain and invest part of their own S.S. extractions.

Several cogent points--

Current S.S extractions are HUGE (over 14% of every paycheck, counting the employer match-- which also dissuades the hiring of Americans and encourages outsourcing or even hiring ILLEGAL alens) and are simply spent as general tax revenues-- they are lumped together with IRS revenues as "the common fund." NOTHING whatoever is invested or saved by the guvment for future SS payouts!

Ergo, ANYTHING which resulted from privatization savings and investments would be an improvement!

Second, notwithstanding the recent market correction, the markets have returned 9-12%+ over the long-term-- versus NOTHING from S.S., which is simply a transfer payment to current recipients-- or, effectively, welfare!

Third, all federal workers and members of Congress have privatized retirement plans--THEY do not want to have to rely on S.S., which THEY are spending in Iraq, on welfare, on the bridge to nowhere, etc.

Why should Middle America not get the same opportunity that federal workers get to invest THEIR retirement funds?!

Hey Hal!
Real capitalism has never been tried. Your stupid remarks display a total lack of comprehension.

Tammy
"The one thing that you forgot to mention is
that most, with the exception of health care,
are meant to be temporary. You KNOW that."

Yeah, right. Temporary. How many government programs are ever temporary? They might be sold as temporary to gullible saps, but without fail they grow exponentially.

"As for the health care, for however bad it
may be in the future, it will be no worse than
what we have now. And the vast majority of
the U.S. citizens agree with me on that one."

You won't be singing that tune when life or death decisions affecting you or a loved one are made by distant bureaucrats based on cost-benefit analysis.

And the fact that the vast majority of U.S. citizens agree with you is half the problem. All that tells me is that the vast majority of U.S. citizens are as economically illiterate as you appear to be and believe that they are somehow entitled to the fruits of the labor of others.


the great shell game
Once they began spending S.S. extractions on anything other than S.S. recipients, the original commitment of guvment became a fraud-- that shell game began 40 years ago.

Today, S.S. is a major dunning/income tax to pay mainly for profligate big guvment... only a small portion represents true S.S. support payments as originally intended and promised.

The "trust fund" is simply part of the shell game/fraud... for the payers, it is simply a scam I.O.U.-- THERE IS NO TRUST FUND!!!

Something else
In 1942, FDR "borrowed" $9 million from the Railroad Pension Fund, and it was never paid back, even though the fund managers kept asking for its return for decades.
Clinton returned $2 million and said, "now we're even". $2 million is not even the 60 years interest on $9 million, let alone the principal.
Return of this money would make a big difference in the lives of the pensioners.

Tammy #14: Millions of the users of health care are illegal aliens who don't contribute one cent to the healthcare facilities they use.

Oncealwaysamarine: Never forget that Hanoi John Kerry was an agent for the viet Cong during the Paris "peace talks".

There is an ad
for a new TV program? called HULU. they advertise that it will turn watchers' brains to mush to become food for aliens. They advertise it like it is something new. Actually, it was used to create 60 million Obamba voters in last Nov's election, and how many Obamba voters for the primary election Last May?

The Doofass scribbles:
I'll be watching but my guess is even by planning them for lunchtime or after work your folks are too timid, frightened and lazy to get off their butts and show up.

Many of us, unlike you, will be unable to attend, because our "lazy butts" will be at work. Then again you did get your lazy a** canned by Lackawanna County, when the bosses found out your veterans advising was "Vote for the Dumbsh1tcrap," and nothing else, which weould really help them.

The Founding Fathers.
President Obama is a stain on the great legacy the founding fathers left for us.

It makes me sick to compare the way our country was founded compared to the foolish way it is being governed today.

Does anyone else see the great divide between the philosophy of the founders of our nation and the garbage we have in the Whitehouse today?

Obama is the epitome of the exact opposite of everything the founding fathers and the rebel soldiers fought for in the 1700's.

I pray Obama becomes an insignificant stain on our nation's history and our nation goes on to much greatness after he is removed from power.

Our nation is now in the hands of a man who can not grasp and has no clue to the ideals the founding fathers so carefully and thoughfully laid out for us.

Obama is one dangerous, stupid fool.

Tammy
Where in the Constitution are you promised healthcare?

Paying for healthcare is your own responsibility. Where people got the idea that every visit to the doctor should be paid for by someone else even insurance is beyond me.

Most people could well afford to pay out of pocket for all but catastrophic care, but it would require them to give up all the things they'd rather spend money on like cell phones, cable TV, new cars, vacations, restaurant meals, starbucks coffee, bottled water, a closet full of clothes and shoes, etc.

When people say they can't afford healthcare what they are saying is they'd rather spend their money on something else be totally irresponsible and have someone else subsidize their lifestyle.

LuLu in VA #35
"Where in the Constitution are you promised healthcare?"

Thank you for bringing up the Consitution.

The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence are only a footnote in our history to the Pretender in Chief, the freespending congress, and the liberal judges who routinely subvert these documents to push their own social agendas.

Voters must familiarize themselves with the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence so we do not have to suffer through constant assaults on our heritage at the hands of the Obama and the liberals.

40:1 vs. 3:1...
...workers:recipients is only half of the problem. Nowadays retirees collect benefits for much, much longer than they did way back when.

Dave "R.I.P. USA"
"Date: Apr 6, 2009 - 8:06 AM EST
Hal Donahue and Barack Obama
Should be tried for treason.
Convicted."

See classic extremist and divisive talk which serves to only incite

"...These two are so ignorant of our country's founding father's intents it is embarrasing to call Hal and Barack Americans."

Obama is a constitutional lawyer and scholar perhaps his view is the correct one versus say your ignorant, anti education party leader limbawl?

"...Yesterday I stood in Indedpendence Hall in Philadelphia with my family. I wish every American could feel the spirits of George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and the other men responsible for the creation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution."

Now you are channeling the founders???? LMAO this is too much. I have visited most of America's shrines and battlefields I understand history

The Hal Donahues and Barack Obamas of this country are all too willing to spit on and destroy all that our country was founded on....Independence. Independence. Independence."

Guess what Independence without cooperation and coordination is worthless and cannot last. This is why the founders replaced the Articles of Confederation with the Constitution.

river of money
it's deeper than that ; the powers behind the throne are railroading us into bankruptcy ; the federal reserve creates and loans money to congress which spends trillions on bailouts ; endless war [ including cold war spending] ; foreign aid etc; guess who benefits ? the ngo nga non-federal "fed" ! the fed manufactures money from vapor ! what a franchise ! they then loan it to congress ; congress splurges it and our income taxes are spent to repay the loans to congress ...plus interest ! ! ! !

congress and the pres are circus clowns waving their arms ; dancing around ; yelping nonsense and distracting us from the vise grip the fed has on us ; also players are the lobbies , foreign and domestic ! we have foreign lobbyists ? what the bleep is that ? foreign lobbyists get to influence congressional spending ??? really ?????????? why ??????
go to sleep , people , you will wake up dead

demographic changes
re:
40:1 vs. 3:1...
...workers:recipients is only half of the problem. Nowadays retirees collect benefits for much, much longer than they did way back when.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Good points... when they set up S.S. the average life expectancy was just 65, and there were indeed immense payers to payees, meaning that it was EASY to fund and SHOULD HAVE BEEN easy to build up a treasure trove reserve. HOWEVER, guvment began raiding it 40 years ago, so all of the demographic advantages were squandered... NOW there is a bad ratio of payers to payees, and the longer life expectancy is a ticking time bomb.

This is part of why devious pols embrace ILLEGAL aliens-- they need new bodies to dun to try to cover for/hide the rape of S.S.

hal donahue
I live right outside of Philadelphia. I see the Liberty bell several times a week. Guess what you can walk in there and look at it with your family all you want. Looking at it like you and your family did does not mean you or Obama have a clue. Obama started his wonderful coronation tour here and he like you has no idea what the Constitution or the Declaration is all about. But of course I forgot liberals have done such wonderful things for this country already like put us on the road to bankruptcy. And the Cuban missile crisis and the iron curtain, and Vietnam, and the USS Cole (and all the other attacks while Clinton was in office). You or he has no idea what democracy even stands. People like him and you because of their ignorance and arrogance have put us in this trouble. Oh and by the way when you were at the liberty bell how many stories were you creating for your kids about it.

Tammy in IL
"The one thing that you forgot to mention is
that most, with the exception of health care,
are meant to be temporary."

It sure eases my mind to know that the conversion of our economy to grossly inefficient "green energy" is temporary.

Dave "R.I.P. USA" - drama queen
"Date: Apr 6, 2009 - 8:46 AM EST
The Founding Fathers...Does anyone else see the great divide between the philosophy of the founders of our nation and the garbage we have in the Whitehouse today?..."

The philosophy of the Democratic Party is very much in consort with the philosophy of the founders. Conservative philosophy almost exactly mirrors the Torie philosophy and actions after the revolution.

Obama IS the epitome of everything the founding fathers and the rebel soldiers fought for in the 1700's.

"...Our nation is now in the hands of a man who can not grasp and has no clue to the ideals the founding fathers so carefully and thoughfully laid out for us..."

Oh no THAT was the failed bush you are talking about

Obama is one dangerous, stupid fool.

Ooops
"Date: Apr 6, 2009 - 9:37 AM EST
Dave "R.I.P. USA" - drama queen
"Date: Apr 6, 2009 - 8:46 AM EST
The Founding Fathers...Does anyone else see the great divide between the philosophy of the founders of our nation and the garbage we have in the Whitehouse today?..."

The philosophy of the Democratic Party is very much in consort with the philosophy of the founders. Conservative philosophy almost exactly mirrors the Torie philosophy and actions after the revolution.

Obama IS the epitome of everything the founding fathers and the rebel soldiers fought for in the 1700's.

"...Our nation is now in the hands of a man who can not grasp and has no clue to the ideals the founding fathers so carefully and thoughfully laid out for us..."

Oh no THAT was the failed bush you are talking about

"...Obama is one dangerous, stupid fool."

This was left in by error above

All socialists that went before OBAMA
were a joke compared to his magnificience. They could not accomplish it but he is the ONE. There is nothing he cannot do. He will make it work or kill us forcing it upon us.

Isn't this really all about a one-world government?

With the United States in a crisis and purposely loosing power. The OBAMA and Rahm can take advantage and put the one-world plan into high gear. They openly talk about it. Fifty percent of the nation must be government hand out recipients to put hope and trust into such nonsense and foolishness.


Hal Donahue is anti-American
"Obama is a constitutional lawyer and scholar perhaps his view is the correct one versus say your ignorant, anti education party leader limbawl?"

LMAO at this totally stupid statement.

Obama is a constitutional lawyer in the same way Dr. Tiller is a caring pediatric doctor, they both abort their subjects.

Are you a little jealous of Rush Limbaugh?

ROTFL!

This is America we live in Hal, not Russia. Our government has no business socializing banking, healthcare, energy, retirement, and other business that is best served by the free market.

Obviously Hal you have no faith in people, only government bureaucrats working the modern version of the Federal government to do what free and independent people were meant to do for themselves.

Fortunately your drug demented sixties generation is growing older everyday and the ranks of you in power will diminish quickly as you near your seventies.

Hal you are so sad, pathetic, and far gone it is laughable. You are a joke.

Hal Donahue
' "...Obama is one dangerous, stupid fool."

This was left in by error above'

You got it right the first time.

By the way, if Obama is such an awesome constitutional scolar why is it so tough to get records of his academic achievements? Why was he only a Lecturer and not a tenure-track professor?

Hal #44
"The philosophy of the Democratic Party is very much in consort with the philosophy of the founders."

ROTFL!!!!!

Founders of what? Socialism? Marxism? Communism?

Did the sun also rise in the West this morning Hal?

Sleep it off old man.

You are proof alcohol kills brain cells.

LMAO at you Hal.

doofass-the-dimwit says, Obama is a

constitutional lawyer and scholar..."

dimwit's "assumption" obviously being that Obozo's goal is to ADHERE TO and UPHOLD the Constitution. (And you know what they say about people to "assume.")

But the fact is, NOTHING Obozo has done is Constitutional!!

dimwit says, "I have visited most of America's shrines and battlefields I understand history.

Well, bully for you!!! Just "visiting" doesn't mean you actually "understand" squat! It just means you've "visited."

dimwit: "Guess what Independence without cooperation and coordination is worthless and cannot last."

What... "cooperation and coordination? There has been NO cooperation and coordination... not when the govt. FORCES companies and banks to take govt. money whether or NOT they want it!

AND AGAIN, can you show us where the Constitution provides for this kind of take over???


Tammy's admission
Please note that she admits that socialized health care will be bad: As for the health care, for however bad it may be in the future, it will be no worse than what we have now. And the vast majority of the U.S. citizens agree with me on that one.
Suzanne Sommers was interviewed by Mark Levin and he asked her about Canadian health care since she is married to a Canadian. She told him that because doctors can't make money, the best and brightest now become veterinarians. She said if your pet is sick you can get the latest in technology and care. Not so for the humans. How many times have we seen interviews with Canadians with cancer who were put on a 6 month waiting list for chemo, came here and had it done immediately? It boggles my mind how liberals cannot admit the facts. They wish socialized medicine worked, but in fact it does not. I am not ready for "no matter how bad it may be". I like the care I get now. Insurance is a pain, but the alternative is death. Literally.
A gal called in to Hannity and told her experience living in Europe. Her pregnant girlfriends could not get sonograms. Can you imagine that happening here? Well, start.

Hal Donahue finally I can agree with you

Hal Donahue wrote: "...Obama is one dangerous, stupid fool."

Maybe Shallow Hal is seeing the Light.

Fear is Central to Liberal Ideology

The Central emotion to Liberal Ideology is fear.

Fear of being an Individual and having personal identity, instead of a 'Collective Identity'.

Fear of 'Personal Responsibility' instead of a 'Collective Responsibility'.

Fear of 'Self Determination' instead of a 'Collective Determination'.

Fear of having to 'Produce' for self and family, instead of Government filling in what is 'Not Productive'.

Fear of being judged by 'Personal Achievement' rather than 'Collective Achievement' or 'Ancestral Achievement'.

Barack Obama is the Quintessential 'Con Man' and has used the fear of his followers to manipulate and coerce them.

Barack Obama believes the 'Politics of Fear', will be the 'Success' of his administration.

Dave "R.I.P. USA"
"Date: Apr 6, 2009 - 9:47 EST
Hal Donahue is anti-American...This is America we live in Hal, not Russia. Our government has no business socializing banking, healthcare, energy, retirement, and other business that is best served by the free market."

THIS IS AMERICA which means we the people say where it goes. For the record you conservatives destroyed the free market. We are trying to rebuild it after your gross incompetence

"...Obviously Hal you have no faith in people, only government bureaucrats working the modern version of the Federal government to do what free and independent people were meant to do for themselves..."

Oh not at all and guess why? We just spent the last five years or so organising and educating the American people to throw you nasty conservatives out. We did it. I trust the people completely.

"...Fortunately your drug demented sixties generation is growing older everyday and the ranks of you in power will diminish quickly as you near your seventies..."

LOL OK but look who the young support? You are toast



Cooperation/coordination or Extortion?

Judge Andrew Napolitano reports:

"This person runs a bank that's worth about $250 billion, it has no subprime loans, it has no bad debts, wasn't involved in credit default swaps, It didn't need any money. It didn't ask for the money and didn't want it.


"The FDIC with Paulson said 'if you don't take this money, we will conduct a multi-year public audit of you.'


"Though the bank was solvent, fighting the government on the terms wasn't worth in the final cost-benefit analysis and the bank's board decided to accept bailout money, despite the protests of that bank's head and having the government become part-owner of the bank.


"It would cost them millions in employee time to give the gove rnment the documents it wanted, it would cost terrible publicity. The terrible publicity and that would mean a loss of business.


"He begged his board of directors to let him tell the Feds to go take a hik e. The board caved. He was forced - the board was forced to issue a class of stock just for the federal government. The federal government owns 2 percent of this huge=2 0bank. As a result of that minority ownership, they now want to control salaries. They want to see his books and they want to tell him who he can do business with.


"But, the tactic the government employed was nothing short of extortion, under its legal definition."

So THAT, doofass-the-dimwit, is how the govt. FORCES companies to take the bailout money that begins the govt. ownership, and NATIONALZING companies.

Hal D. is a troll/provocateur here
Hal D. is known to use multiple screen names here, and generally simply acts as a provocateur-- an irreverent gadfly spewing leftist prattle iconoclasm, signifying little to nothing of value.

It is best not to feed the trolls... another troll is "Ranger 29," a/k/a "Wobbie" (Robert in Texas) who also uses multiple screen names, and is often "banned," which suggests he is a shill for TH.

Chicken Little is back
Star Parker should be ahamed of writing such a misleading article about the status of the SS Trust Fund. Without any qualms whatsoever, she twists the fact that SS may soon be operating with a negative cash flow into an absurb claim that the SS Trust Fund is almost in the red. How can a Trust Fund be in the red when none of the bonds that have been issued to it since 1983 have ever been redeemed. It is the same scare tactic that GWB tried to use to privatize the system, and which went nowhere because it was based on a deception. Evidently Star Parker believes the time is ripe to give crisis-mongering another try.

HALitosis
Wrote:"Obama is a constitutional lawyer and scholar perhaps his view is the correct one versus say your ignorant, anti education party leader limbawl?"
Satan is also an expert at scripture. He used this knowledge to twist and tweek the truth for his benefit. Sounds just like Obama, doesn't it?
So when this anti-christ and his ilk come knocking, you fall on your knees and praise him (or whatever you do Hal)

Ahh
"So when this anti-christ and his ilk come knocking, you fall on your knees and praise him"

The crazies always come out for a Star Parker column. Do you understand how loony you sound?

And here's MORE: "How banks were bullied

into making bad loans'Community activists' used pressure tactics to secure high-risk mortgages"

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94031

Bruce Marks, head of the NACA

"WASHINGTON – Using tools provided by the federal Community Reinvestment Act, community organizers led by a self-described "banking terrorist" applied bullying tactics to secure high-risk mortgages and to shake down lending institutions for billions of dollars – actions that likely contributed to the "mortgage meltdown" that triggered the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

"That's the substance of a new report by the Capital Research Center on the Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America headed by Bruce Marks.

"'Time and again, NACA has combined the street tactics of protest and demonstration with public policy tools such as the Community Reinvestment Act to pressure banks into expanding their operations in poor neighborhoods,' says the report authored by David Hogberg. 'NACA typically extracts self-serving concessions from banks, forcing them to provide it with funds that it then uses to make mortgage loans to low-income borrowers. NACA rolls the fees it earns servicing these loans back into its campaign of bullying banks.'

"In 2007, the year before the crash, NACA obtained $10 billion in bank commitments for its own loan commitments with what the group admits were aggressive, hounding intimidation tactics.

"'NACA has been accused of being overly aggressive and personal," explains the group's website. "NACA wears this as a badge of honor, leaving no stone unturned and often hounding CEOs from their shareholder meetings to their homes. The rationale is simple: lenders have a personal and often devastating impact on the lives of the people who they refuse to provide affordable credit to or take advantage of through predatory loans and scams.'"


Hal the Whining, Anti-American
"THIS IS AMERICA which means we the people say where it goes. For the record you conservatives destroyed the free market. We are trying to rebuild it after your gross incompetence"

Hal and Obama, two whining peas in a pod, blaming conservatives and acting like liberals are innocent angels. The fact is that both parties have sold their souls and turned their back on the Constitution. The truth is Hal you are not man enough to admit any liberal Democratic culpability for the current oppresive federal government. You Hal are an empty headed cheerleader for Obama.

"We just spent the last five years or so organising and educating the American people to throw you nasty conservatives out. We did it. I trust the people completely."

Soros, Obama, and ACORN all teamed up to promise free entitlements to a segment of the population, such as yourself, hungry to see American wealth redistributed and the rich in this country punished for achievement. Hal you trust the takers in society, not the givers and producers. Fool.

"LOL OK but look who the young support? You are toast"

No Hal, it is your brain that is toast. The young will eventually get jobs, become responsible, wake up and see they're being hosed by the jive turkey in chief, they will see no future in socialist America, turn conservative, vote conservative and your old generation will die off.

It is not conservatism that is toast, it is liberalism.

Hal you are the Anti-American.

Speaking of Gov.Bank Management..
Just in case the TownHall faithful need a face to go with Star Parker's "Ultra"-Assessment of President Barack Obama, C.E.O., and the Statis (Democrats/RINOS)Banking skills I volunteer. I have been a Bank of America Customer for more than Fifteen years. To date, I have never made a late payment on my Credit Card and was recently Rewarded by B Of A with an increase in my Credit Limit. However, because I will not accept the Obama and Democrat p1an of when in debt,spend,spend,and spend some more,Obama and Bank of America have decided to take their Reward for my excellent payment history back. I am sure if I continue to use my brain, B of A will soon cancel my credit card to punish me for not being STUPID, or subject me to some additinal fees(Punitive Taxation)for not going along with the Geithner/Obama economic plan for Banks that received Tarp Funds.

Why Oh Why
Do we continue to engage Hal Donahue. He's an idiot. That is easy to tell because he is so enamored of the idiot in the White House - who, by the way, will be just as happy to steal from as anyone else. Democrats lie, cheat and steal. It's what they're all about. And, they're very good at it 'cause we just keep paying their way.

dated but interesting analysis
... of the myth of S.S. (written 10 years ago)

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/1999/0599frank.html

excerpt:
Many people, when discussing the Trust Fund, apparently have in mind a great heap of money stacked high in some underground vault. As more boomers retire, the SSA opens the vault, dusts off the cobwebs and doles out the cash.

But there is no such pile of money. When excess payroll taxes come into the SSA, the cash is turned over to the Treasury which, in turn, issues interest-bearing bonds to the SSA. The Treasury then spends the cash on welfare, roads, weapons, tax cuts.

Today, nearly one-third of federal revenues derive from the payroll tax, perhaps the most regressive of all federal taxes. Of this money, about one-fifth is not needed to pay current Social Security benefits. It is credited to the Trust Fund, but is destined, in fact, for general government spending.

Conservative economists understand all too clearly that the Trust Fund bonds are nothing more than a promise that society will one day be asked to keep.

Obama & All Who Support Him ...
... are a stain on the underpants of America.

America will have to go through the crucible before they will learn (again!) that there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Goodbye, America :-(

If you want SS in the Black ...
First, make the government pay back their IOU's. Except that they only cover part of the money taken from the account.

Next make it a crime to pull any more money from the account for any reason.

Third, get the people off SS that never paid into it. That includes awarding "crazy money".

Finally, force Congress to depend upon it themselves for retirement.

PREPARE FOR THE WORST
People!

Please do not fail to prepare!

The worst is yet to come...they are hiding it from you...

"...they keep it all hid..." Bob Dylan--Subterreanean Homesick Blues.

PREPARE FOR THE WORST...BE SAFE.

PRAY.

ROWDY BOOTS

Peggy in Ohio #62
I am beating on Hal today because he deserves it.

After spending yesterday touring the historical sites of our nation's birth in my hometown of Philadelphia, walking in the shadows of our founding fathers, and once again filling up with pride for the way my country was founded, the liberal drivel that maggots like Obama and the Hal Donahues of the world spew from their mouths makes me sick to my core.

Hal and Obama are Anti-Americans, committed to governance from the top down, rather than from the people on up.

Today I do feel much anger toward the Obamas and Donahues in our society moving us further away from the values of our founding fathers.

jeffjenn
who has to pay the bonds? are you insane?

I'm not sure
what those of us who are not independently wealthy can do. They are going to need serious inflation to pay off all the debt, and they know that and are planning it. That means our savings if in dollars will be worthless, and if we ever see SS what we get will be worthless. The money you have saved for your kids college worthless. I'm thinking we are all going to be working to scrape buy at a severly reduced standard of living til we drop dead on the job. I pity people who are nearing retirement or have already retired.

Thrown Overboard.
The ship of state is in trouble because it has taken on too many passengers. The ocean is rough and the crew is losing control. There are passengers on board that did not pay their fare. They must be the first thrown overboard.

Facts have no place
In the world of President Obama and the obamanation facts have no place, justice have been sidelined, due process is in retirement. Spending as much as possible in four years is the only goal of the administration, but 2010 election will put a cramp in his plans Democrats figured that out and that is why they would not vote for a simple majority. In another six months or so candidates will start revealing themselves and the polls that matter will start to effect the voting public. The first time voters that is not working will not be returning to the polls. The historic nature of the 2008 election will not be present in 2010 and a sour taste will be in alot of liberals mouths becasue of the continuation of war by the Obama administration. The involvement of the Mexican conflict near and across the border to the affect of harming college students on the Texas side of border. The military showed up immediately when the conflict neared San Diego.

hail to the chief
Have no fear the Messiah will provide. I want to throw up.

Great Article
Star, thanks for the great article.

You Write, "This premise, of course, is that we'll be better off if we turn more of our lives and resources over to government bureaucrats to manage. Not only has this been tried many times. Every time it's been tried, it's been a complete failure."

I would only like to add to this Einsteins definition of insanity.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."


I have lost frends over this

After the last election, some former friends of mine had a big party. My wife and I were not invited and we were ALWAYS on their guest list. We were later told that we were conservatives and that only democrats and "progressives" had been invited, but they still loved us and that we should not take offence.

I did and I do.

Those are the people responsible for our schools being in a mess. They are responsible for the lack of morals all across out nation, for crime because they don't want to punish criminals and they support gay marriage and pornography and against the death penalty and on and on. They are responsible for high taxes and for government in my life and the loss of personal freedom.

There is no other way to look at what the democrats have done and what they are doing. Who is responsible? My former friends who voted for the democrats, that's who.

Recently we were invited to a dinner at a former friends home and declined. When asked why, I told them plainly that I simply had nothing in common with them and therefore saw no reason to attend. They acted offended.


rebutting the ignorant
I get so tired of addressing so-called intelligent people like Star who are very good describing their surroundings. A bug in the grass could do as well, and yet miss the larger back yard.

Would you please remind yourself that the Constitution gives Congress a printing press,
(as scandalous as that may sound), to manufacture enough money to cover whatever "we-the'people" can agree.

Everything about your "understanding," from politics to economics, needs to be upgraded.
Govt. accounting is just to make bankers happy. The government has first license. The
only "crisis" is the manufactured one where government chooses to stop funding this or
that. You hope that by repeating a lie long enough, i.e. that there's not enough money for this or that, the people will vote to have Congress "do something" and cut benefits or some such, by failing to allocate enough yearly printed dollar bills.

SSI will be sound just so long as WE-the-People demand the program survive, all the brayers, snipers and mean-spirited not with-
standing. Social security doesn't frighten anyone. Social INsecurity is what you're calling for. You republic-rats took most of
our jobs to China, Mexico, et al, SSI is needed now more than ever. It's amazing how many of you still "don't get" how & why you lost the last election.

lost friends #2
I started listing all of the things the democrats have done and have said they are going to do since the election and told them if they needed something to be offended about, those were a good place to start and the very fact that they were not offended by those things was all the proof needed to make my point that we had nothing in common.

It is time to make those responsible for the mess we are in pay a price for supporting it. I can't work against what is going on when I am friends with those who are responsible for it. I have drawn a line and people are now either on one side or the other as far as I am concerned and anyone trying to be "moderate" is automatically on the WRONG side. Moderates elect democrats. PERIOD!! I have had it with everything and everyone who is a progressive, moderate or democrat.

You can't lie down with dogs and not expect to get fleas and I've had it with both dogs and fleas.

Dean in WI

Dean
Location: WI
Reply # 2
Date: Apr 6, 2009 - 11:52 AM EST rebutting the ignorant
I get so tired of addressing so-called intelligent people like Star who are very good describing their surroundings. A bug in the grass could do as well, and yet miss the larger back yard.

Would you please remind yourself that the Constitution gives Congress a printing press,
(as scandalous as that may sound), to manufacture enough money to cover whatever "we-the'people" can agree.
_____

Article I, Section 10, provides that "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

The 5th Amendment provides, in part, "No person shall be . . . deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

The Constitution is plain to those of us who can read and comprehend what we read. Apparently Dean, you are having the same problem the courts have had when you read the Constitution.

You are obviuously a product of the government schools.

congress
Is the main reason we are in trouble.They started the federal Reserve,and gave them the power to print money without anything t back it up.They created almost every problem we have through arrogance and ignorance.The main culprits in the problems we are in today is from the actions of Franks Dodd,Bush,and obama.Any one with a half a brain knows you cannot spend your way out of debt.There never should have been a bailout,those companies should have went bankrupt.There would have been profitable companies waiting to take there place

You know
all of us who are not koolaide addicts can see this will clarity; what I cannot understand are
the few, the very few elected members of Congress who share our beliefs being so silent.
The eligibility question has been growing bigger by the day, with more and more people asking Obama, Who are you? And he replies 'none of your business, shut up, sit down, I WON!" And no one with any influence says a word. I don't believe John Kyl is that stupid, that he believes SNOPES is the place where the information about this person occupying the White House is valid. And he can't believe we are so stupid as to believe him. They are afraid of something. There was a time when a bill was signed that was deemed unconstitutional especially one by a President,
that no time would be lost to go to SCOTUS.
Not now, the Constitution is put through the shredder daily and not a word of opposition louder than a wimpy whistper is heard and certainly NOT by SCOTUS.

why the vote for "change"
re:
It's amazing how many of you still "don't get" how & why you lost the last election.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The election was MUCH more a repudiation of Dubya and anger at the economic mess (caused by the left--> see sub-prime crisis) than any semblance of embracing the ObaMessiah's agenda... voters ALWAYS do this when riled.

Dubya had spent like a drunken sailor Çrat, and a solid majority was rightly angry about Iraq-- 80% now think it was a profligate, wasteful mistake.

We REALLY went there (against the WRONG Islamics) because a relatively small handful of neoCONS/Zionists (Wolfy, Feith, Perle, Abrams, Wurmser, Libby, Bolton) then pulling Dubya' strings wanted to take it out for Israel's security... hence the reason the excuses given soon proved to be lies (WMD's; oil-- half as much coming out now; greeted as liberators; inspiring democracy).

GOD SUPPORTS PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT
If you're losing faith after 36 years of Roe v. Wade and millions dead that we are losing the battle against abortion don't give up hope. God is with us and victory is near. Click ApolloSpeaks and read my piece: Evidence of Divine Action Supporting Pro-Life Movement.

A debt is a debt
(Lulu): "who has to pay the bonds? are you insane?"

Sorrt to inform you, Lulu (is that your real name?), but our elected officials issued US Treasury bonds to SS which means those with the most money will have to pay back what is owed to the program. And why not? Those with the least money paid most the surplus payroll taxes that went into the SS Trust Fund. Think of it as a wash.

Dave "R.I.P. USA" - drama queen
"Date: Apr 6, 2009 - 10:24 AM EST
Hal the Whining, Anti-American..."

It is not I who lost an election. It is you. The people spoke - they do not want what you are selling. Your clear incompetence and lack of compassion justly earned the peoples' rejection of conservatives.

"THIS IS AMERICA which means we the people say where it goes. For the record you conservatives destroyed the free market. We are trying to rebuild it after your gross incompetence"

Hal and Obama, ....., blaming conservatives and acting like liberals are innocent angels. The fact is that both parties have sold their souls and turned their back on the Constitution..."

No it is not whining and there was no sell out of the constitution. There is your inability to govern or lead - massive failures.

"... The truth is Hal you are not man enough to admit any liberal Democratic culpability for the current oppresive federal government. You Hal are an empty headed cheerleader for Obama."

The federal government works for us. It can be overbearing but we the people get to correct that as we did in NOV 2006 and 2008

"We just spent the last five years or so organising and educating the American people to throw you nasty conservatives out. We did it. I trust the people completely."

Soros, Obama, and ACORN all teamed up... Hal you trust the takers in society, not the givers and producers..."

Guess what you just admitted that you do not trust the American people. This means you do not trust the founders. This means you do not trust the Constitution.

"LOL OK but look who the young support? You are toast"

No Hal, it is your brain that is toast. The young will eventually get jobs,...It is not conservatism that is toast, it is liberalism."

Last time with Hoover you were out of power nearly two generations. This time I predict 4 generations if ever

Black Prince
"Date: Apr 6, 2009 - 11:50 AM EST
I have lost frends over this...Recently we were invited to a dinner at a former friends home and declined. When asked why, I told them plainly that I simply had nothing in common with them and therefore saw no reason to attend..."

Classic isolate yourself from any alternative view because you know your ideas and failed philosophy simply cannot compete

Star
they will run head long into the past, with out any thought about why it does not work. They will bankrupt the country, and then blame someone else(see Pres. Bush). The one has the country so snowed, that they wont care until they are starving. The one and his people are very smart, but have no wisdom.
Kirk

you are wrong hal
we all lost that election. even the worst parasites lost, because they killed the host. even the msm lost, because even the simplest of the public will not trust them again after this turkey of a "president" has destroyed our country. the conservatives you hate will find a way to survive, but they know alredy what a mistake you and your ilk made. even the democratic party lost, because after they destroy our country, there will not be anything left for the democrats to steal. we all lost, hal. even blacks lost, because the depths of their true racism was revealed, and in the future, the response they will get to their bleating will be laughter. we all lost, hal, but it is your friends the parasites that lost the most.

Freedom from government?!
Those who do not know history are destined to repeat its' mistakes.
What you are seeing here in America was tried in the 1930's-40's Germany. The Germans elected a racist named Hitler, who mandated government control(socialism) over every business and industry...and looked how it turned out for them. It took them to ruins.
Now, the Americans have elected a racist named Obama who is mandating government control(socialism) over every business and industry in this country. And we are obviously heading for the same fate as the Germans.
Only difference is, Obama has a nuclear arsenal Hitler only dreamed of. And Hitler was an intelligent man. But, Obama is as dumb as a sack of sh*t. The man reaks of stupidity. And I wish he could just give one God-damned speech without that God-damned teleprompter. It makes him look completely unprofessional. Like he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Call him "Dumb-'O'"(with the big ears and all)

Good thing they is all 'smart'
Wow, just imagine how bad this mess would be if all the ivy league smarty pants crowd hadn't been there to 'help'!

orical1
We went to Iraq to protect Israel? Have you looked at a map of the midle east? Iraq splits the middle east. It put us in the hart, with Iran on the east, and the kingdom of saud on the south west. If you wanted to help Israel, you would take Lebanon. That would have been easier, and removed a deadly group. But it would not have been strategic.
Tammy- It will be temporary, Ha HA, name me one gov. program that was temporary. Take the income tax, it was to be temp. to, we all see how that worked out now don't we. If you believe that it will be temporary, you are a fool.
Kirk

Peggy
I agree. I understand the impulse to respond to people who are obviously acting like spoons, trying to stir everything up. I too find it difficult to refrain from calling some of those Stupid, who seem to be stupid by what they write. But, it is like showing terrorists on television. They more play they get the more satisfaction they derive out of who they are.

I know that we should avoid speaking directly to any of the liberals who sign on to these threads only to start fights. If we must discuss any of what they blather about, we should do it while speaking with each other, but not by answering them directly.

But then, I also have to recognize that the conflict is part of what makes the site atractive. Perhaps those who enjoy the joust would lose out by not being able to take on those with whom they disagree.

Many of my close friends will be surprise to see me saying these things since I have a bit a reputation for desent myself.

Obama is a terrorist.
The only reason Obama is our president is because his terrorist friends have already gotten their Russian-bought nuclear suitcase bombs into our country, into our cities. They're waiting for their commands to detonate them if their demands are not met by the United States government. Demands: 1) Obama must be in the White House 2) Socialism must be installed 3) Misery must be distributed equally.

I believe that's why the Mayan stone calender says something catastrophic will happen on December 21, 2012. On that date, Obama will know for sure that he has not been re-elected. He knows he will only have 30 days left in office. Therefore, he will leave the country and give the command to detonate the weapons at will, when ready. It's unwinnable, that's why our government is scurrying around the country installing footbaths and prayer rooms at airports and college campuses for our peaceful muslim "friends". Part of the demands. That's why the government media will not say anything bad about Obama. They're not "allowed" to.
America is stuck neck-deep in the mud. We have a tyrant in the White House. A terrorist. A radical muslim. A socialist. It ain't gettin better for no one, so buckle-up and enjoy the ride!

That's why our government and military
will not "allow" the government media to speak about the huge "tea party" protests that are going on around the country. They're not "allowed" to.
That's why our government and military are harrassing and intimidating lawyers who represent clients who want proof(birth certificate) that Obama is eligible to be our president. They're not "allowed" to.

That's why our government and military
are giving Obama whatever he wants.

Racist
As I said before O was elected he would have very little resistance.Were anyone, especially a republican come out strongly against O they would be ostracized by the msm.The only people that have come out against him are conservative talk radio people.If they start getting to him he will abolish talk radio

curmudgeon
"Date: Apr 6, 2009 - 12:55 PM EST
you are wrong hal
we all lost that election.,,"

keep believing that LMAO

Hal is a genius.
Mr Drunkahue says, "Conservatives destroyed the free market"?!?!?!! Really Hal? Is Obama a "conservative"? Do you not see Obama, in front of your fat face, attacking and "destroying the economy". Is it not Obama who is saying "only government can solve this problem"? And then you say "conservatives destroyed the free market"? Hal, you must be one of them "communist agitators", because, you don't make a lick of sense whatsoever. It's obvious to many of us here, that you show up every day just to make problems, name-call, and present NO solutions to anything at all. But, I still love you, man.

Hey Dave, I'll bet you $10 that Hal was government-educated. I'll bet you another $10 that he continued his "education" at one of the local government-sponsored colleges. I'll even bet another $10 for every degree he has hanging on his wall. The guy is a perfect example of the dumbing-down and softening-up that goes on in our educational system on a daily basis.

Wanna bet?

reply to: Kirk
re:
"We went to Iraq to protect Israel? Have you looked at a map of the midle (sic) east? Iraq splits the middle east. It put us in the hart (sic), with Iran on the east, and the kingdom of saud (sic)on the south west. If you wanted to help Israel, you would take Lebanon."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The takeout of Iraq had been called for as early as 1996 by PNAC; the authors of that stratagem were the Dubya advisers I named earlier. they had tried to sell it to Slick Willie Clinton in '98, but he balked, so they infiltrated the Bush team and wrote "The Bush Doctrine" for the M.E.

If you want to raise the veil of ignorance and learn the REAL REASONS for Iraq, read a bit here:

http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/spheresInfluence.h tml

...and this book-- written by 2 Jews:

http://www.davidcorn.com/archives/2006/09/hubris_the_pres.p hp

Most American Jews have opposed the the Iraq war, but the Zionist/neoCON subset engendered it-- different views on how to deal with the hostile Islamic threat to Israel.

Dean and the Obamatons
"Would you please remind yourself that the Constitution gives Congress a printing press,
(as scandalous as that may sound), to manufacture enough money to cover whatever "we-the'people" can agree."

I hardly know where to begin in dismantling the idiocy of this statement.

If I understand your drivel, we needn't concern ourselves with government spending at all because the the government can just crank up the presses and create enough "money" to pay the tab.

There was a time when the idiocy of this statement would stand on its own, but given the state of education in this country (particularly regarding economics), that is apparently no longer the case.

I almost feel foolish having to inform you of this, but money is not wealth. It is pieces of paper printed by the government that would be otherwise worthless except for the fact that people will accept them as payments for goods and services that constitute actual wealth.

Print enough of it, and it becomes worthless. This is known as "inflation" (you may have heard of it).

The people of Germany found this out the hard way in the 1920's when the government kept hundreds of printing presses running night and day to pay war reparations. In July of 1920, one U.S. dollar was worth 40 marks. three years later, one U.S. dollar was worth 4 TRILLION marks.

Hey, I've got an idea! Let's just print enough money to give everyone a gajillion dollars! Then we'll all be gajillionaires! Problem solved!

Idiot.

doofass-the-dimwit wrote above..."Obama

is a constitutional lawyer and scholar..."

What doofass-the-dimwit seems to forget (or deny!) is that Obozo was also a student of Communism and Marxism and Socialism...

Remember Obozo did write that he chose his friends and mentors carefully... and among those were Davis, well known Communist, Alinsky, well known Marxist... etc., etc., etc.

And while Obozo MAY have been a Constitutional lawyer and scholar, the FACT is, as an adjunct prof. he actually taught courses on Alinsky and Marxism...


Sorry dimwit, you lose this one too! :-)




This thread has degraded substantially
I thought it was about the prospect of the government taking over yet more of our economy to make sure that everyone has everything. The ironic thing about all of this is that the liberal anti-family lobby who are endeavoring to bankrupt the government with more and more entitlement programs, will be left with nobody to care for them in their old age. The government won't have the money and since they aborted all of their children (assuming that they were heterosexual) they won't have any to care for them in their time of need. Think of it as evolution.

curmudgeon: Ya gotta love it! :-)

OF COURSE ...we all lost that election!

But you've got to laugh at doofass-the-dimwit's comeback... "keep believing that LMAO."

Reminds me of Tommy Smothers... "Oh yeah... well mom always liked you best!" :-)


OF COURSE ...we all lost that election!

But you've got to laugh at doofass-the-dimwit's comeback... "keep believing that LMAO."

Reminds me of Tommy Smothers... "Oh yeah... well mom always liked you best!" :-)



Oh and btw, seems Obozo's little plan might not be working out so well. Seems more and more banks are putting their foot down and refusing the bailout money, and/or determined to repay as soon as possible!

Hmmmm? :-)


Obama Apologizing To Muslims!!!
Obama said the partnership between the U.S. and the Muslim world is critical in rolling back what he called a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject.

"America's relationship with the Muslim world cannot and will not be based on opposition to al Qaida," he said. "We seek broad engagement based upon mutual interests and mutual respect."

"We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better, including my own country," Obama said.

Obama also said, to a round of applause, that the United States supports Turkey becoming a member of the European Union.


What Did We Expect
We have aborted our future work force! If we were a moral country and were committed to not murdering our citizens, we would still have the 40-1 ratio who could help support the country! But we want our cake and eat it too. When this country returns to moral, Judeo-Christian principles on which it was founded, we will once again prosper.

So much stupidity so little time
"SSI will be sound just so long as WE-the-People demand the program survive, all the brayers, snipers and mean-spirited not with-
standing. Social security doesn't frighten anyone. Social INsecurity is what you're calling for. You republic-rats took most of
our jobs to China, Mexico, et al, SSI is needed now more than ever. It's amazing how many of you still "don't get" how & why you lost the last election."





AND AT WHAT COST? 60% OF YOUR PAYCHECK PERHAPS? HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE GETTING SS THAN PAYING IN? BTW IT WAS CLINTON THAT SENT YOUR JOBS AWAY, ALONG WITH DEMS WHEN THEY VOTED IN NAFTA. YOUR PRINTING PRESS GARBAGE IS JUST THAT...WHAT NEXT? GONNAT TELL ME MONEY GROWS ON TREES?


Then there is this little nugget...


"Star Parker should be ahamed of writing such a misleading article about the status of the SS Trust Fund. Without any qualms whatsoever, she twists the fact that SS may soon be operating with a negative cash flow into an absurb claim that the SS Trust Fund is almost in the red. How can a Trust Fund be in the red when none of the bonds that have been issued to it since 1983 have ever been redeemed. It is the same scare tactic that GWB tried to use to privatize the system, and which went nowhere because it was based on a deception. Evidently Star Parker believes the time is ripe to give crisis-mongering another try."

YOU MEAN LIKE OBAMA DID IN TALKING DOWN THE ECONOMY TO GET HIS PORKULUS PASSED? BTW...there are no bonds.

As to Tammy from IL...I have fence posts smarter than you. Your logic on health care is beyond belief. First you say it will be no worse...so why bother at all then? The whole point is improvement you idiot.

Hal Donahue the Anti-American
This clown will go down with the entire liberal ship of fools.

Hal hates the Constitution.

Hal hates the Declaration of Independence.

Hal hates individual liberty.

Hal loves cradle to the grave gubmint security.

Hal is anti-American, and will defend his anti-American views to the end.

LMAO at this old hippy dippy 60's burnout whose old road is coming to an end!!!!

RE: Dean " You republic-rats took most
of our jobs to China, Mexico, et al"

Corporate taxes, and unions drove those companies overseas. Maybe unions should organize in China, Mexico, et al, and do something for the truly oppressed workers in our world.

Ireland has been doing relatively well during this economic downturn. They also enjoy very low corporate tax rates. Coincidence? I think not.

Black Prince, 11:50 AM post.

I salute you, friend. Way to go.

Personally, there are a few times when I find myself in the company of leftists. But regrettably and for the most part... only a handful remain courteous whenever issues are brought up.

But lately and increasingly, I let people know exactly why I'm proud to be a conservative... because I'm for the "little guy".

You should see their faces.

But establishing the moral high ground gives one an advantage... and at times, it even gets some to listen.

Try it sometime, and see what happens.

All I can say, I wish there were more like you... conservatives who live their values, and take a stand. Again, way to go.

Tea parties, April 15th... and beyond.




Another Failed Attempt at a Fix?
Social aSecurity has been the "third rail" of both party politics for many years.
I posit: The latest "fix" was/is a back room deal to turn a blind eye to the 12 Million plus illegals in this country. More people, equating to more taxes, after amnesty of course, seemed like a fine way to provide enough bodies to fuel the Ponzi scheme.....until current politicians are on down the track.....
Please let me know if this has been discussed previously. Is this wrong headed?
Sold out again, continually.

Obamanation
The fawning, slobbering Chicago Sun Times had an article for how to get an "Obama haircut"
Now i have to go to the hardware store and purchase a weed whacker for my Chia Obama.
Hope to see y'all at the Daley Center Chicago Tea Party April 15!!

New Coach of the New England Patriots...
...has just been announced. And it is: Barrack Obama!

Imagine if that really happened. Those in the New England area that didn't go into cardiac arrest or jump out of a window when they heard the news, would probably be on their way to burn down Robert Kraft's home! "What in the hell does Barrack Obama know about coaching in the NFL" - would be the cry! And understandably so.

No one anywhere would want Barrack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank and the rest of those nitwits, in charge of their sports teams, making movies, managing their favorite restaurants or even being a lifeguard at their children's favorite swimming pool.

But for some surreal reason, millions of people want them running the auto industry, banking industry, energy, education and health care. It's surreal.

Here's a few good Jeopardy questions for you:

(Healthcare for 100): The most costly, fradulent, abused and low-quality health plan in the United States.

Answer: What is Medicare.

(Healthcare for 200): Created and manages the most costly, fradulent, abused and low-quality health plan in the United States.

Answer: Who is the Federal Government.

(Healthcare for 300): The body that millions of Americans want to takeover the entire healthcare system in the United States.

Answer: Who is the Federal Government.

If we're to have a chance, we need to make the voting age...12 and under.

Michael
To extent that is true but remember they now give SS to the illegals as well.

RATS
If "The Government is Taking Over your Lives",is all the republicans have, it's time to say Goodbye! This is not convincing enough to win an election. I "Hope" someone will design a campaign that will offer something more. Why? Because it's getting on my "Goddamn Nerves"...

There is no longer any doubting.
Once upon a time, lying sacks of America-hating filth like Sinister Angle and Hal the Torturer feebly tried to claim that Obama wasn't a communist. Sadly, they were able to dupe half this country into believing that lie, and now the United States is DEAD.

No one with a brain can rationally even TRY to argue the IRREFUTABLE FACT that Obama is as much a communist as Fidel Castro. Bit-by-bit Der Fuhrer Obama is siezing control of every aspect of our lives. Banks: federalized. Auto industry: federalized. Health care: federalized.

Even Europeans are shocked at Obama's communist measures.

The United States of America and its constitution is DEAD.

Welcome to Obamanation.

chicken or egg
...did no one note that it was BUSH/PAULSON who took the first steps toward FUNDING AND ACQUIRING FAILING INSTITUTIONS. Seems to me that Obama is doing what they would or Mc Cain would ahve done any way. Why dont some of you geniuses in Conserv land get off your egos long enough to run for office and promote your big second guess ideas out in front where it counts.
Uh uh- - too risky. Hannity and Limabah couldnt get vetted and they are getting rich from wackos like you on TH. Suckers are born every minute and does not discriminate red or blue. The National GOP chmn - going going not gone. In Virginia - GOP chmn - gone. You have nothing to offer. The next generation in line are the slackers - oh boy - cant wait for Gendel and Palin to prat fall into 2012. And M Romney, gasp, is a finance genius from (gasp)Wall St. DOA in '12. Smack at ya later.

Rowly
It is far more frightening than you even realize.

Did you see the picture of Obama when he met with the leader of Saudi Arabia? Obama bowed down and, on bended-knee, lovingly kissed the hand of the Arab leader. Keep in mind, Saudi Arabia is a nation where, if a woman shows even a milimeter of skin, she is publicly beaten, merely being accused of adultery will result in a woman being stoned to death, and the VICTIMS of rape are hanged from the neck until dead.

It gets even worse, though. Obama just appointed a man to the Justice Department who is an advocate of imposing Sharia Law here in the United States.

Like I said, the United States is DEAD. Welcome to Obamanation.

Two responses.

Beowulfe, 3:02 PM... did you mean Obamination, with an "i"...? In either case, spot on ... and time to fight back.

Douglas, 2:48 PM, You can't make this up... a Chia Obama??? Keep that weed-wacker sharp, and see you at the Daley Center, bro.

Tea parties, April 15th ... and beyond.

definitely correct
re:
"Social Security has been the "third rail" of both party's politics for many years.
I posit: The latest "fix" was/is a back room deal to turn a blind eye to the 12 Million plus illegals in this country. More people, equating to more taxes, after amnesty of course, seemed like a fine way to provide enough bodies to fuel the Ponzi scheme.....until current politicians are on down the track...."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The left wants ILLEGALS to stay for voters-- they will ASSURE permanent big guvment, because they will become 100 million mainly poor and ignorant over 20 years, but both sides are just OK with the ILLEGAL alien invasion because they hope it will help disguise the rapine of S.S. which has occurred over the past 40 years by providing new payers to support the retiring boomers.

The trouble is, each ignorant, poor ILLEGAL alien will drain MUCH more than s/he ever pays in in any form of taxes-- $1.4 million per typical ILLEGAL family in net drain over a lifetime.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/bg1936.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/SR14es.cfm

beowulfe
hey every body - beowulfe says that America is DEAD!

Talk about head-in-sand nonsense. Beowulfe's ego is under assault because politics isnt going his way.
Thats all.

No$
Be advised that there has NOT been a conservative in the white house since Reagan...Just lite liberals on the labeled as a Republican.

Oops-Correction
Just lite liberals labeled as a Republican.

Presidente Jorge Bush...
re:
"... remember they now give SS to the illegals as well."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

...promised them in Espanol down in Mexico in 2006 that we would pay S.S. to ILLEGAL aliens who had paid into it here even if they returned to Mexico. This was a formal U.S. commitment, which laer stunned some non-quisling, sane members of Congress.

He also brayed a welcome to come up for the signing of Kennedy-McCain scamnesty, which he was sure would pass-- BUT Middle America reacted viscerally, such that scamnesty was tabled.

Then Congress tried the stealth amnesty called he "Dream Act" (free college tuition and a path to amnesty)... we stanched the first attempt at that also.

Politics not going my way?
Let's look at the current state of this once-great nation:

Our economy is in the toilet because Democrats act like Democrats. Whether you like it or not, the FACT of the matter is that we're NOT in this economic disaster because of capitalism, but because of the LACK of capitalism.

Our president thinks the response to the disaster Democrats created is to burn the Constitution, sieze control of the entire economy, and spend us into oblivion.

Our president has, so far, pi$$ed off every ally we once had while bowing down to every enemy we have. He screwed the Eastern European allies in order to make friends with Russia, and they threw it back in our face. He has vowed to protect the Palestinians while demanding Israel let their children be killed. Iran has fast-tracked their nuclear program. China is attacking our ships in international waters without retaliation. North Korea is launching missiles at Japan.

And our reaction to all of this? Obama said we will unilaterally disarm so that it is that much easier for the North Koreans to blow us up!

Obama's administration is filled with a collection of tax cheats, felons, and lobyists. Those that aren't criminals have vowed to impose Sharia Law here in the United States.

Obama is currently in Turkey apologizing for our being offended by having 3000 of our fellow citizens blown up.

And you think that I'm just upset because "politics aren't going my way"? Pukes like you are destroying this country. We have the Manchurian Candidate doing everything in his power to DESTROY this country, but I'm just mad because politics aren't going my way!

Yeah, right. Maybe after Obama destroys another 2 or 3 million jobs, maybe after a few major cities are smoldering, maybe after a few more trillion dollars of deficit spending you might grow a brain. But I'm not holding my breath for that!

Charles LPKY
"Date: Apr 6, 2009 - 3:39 PM EST
No$
Be advised that there has NOT been a conservative in the white house since Reagan...Just lite liberals on the labeled as a Republican."

LMAO Oh no the failed Bush was the MOST conservative of all I mean heck most here would be calling Ron a RINO if he was alive now. The failed bush is EXACTLY what you get from your extreme conservatism - hooray for me to heck with you

beowulfe
..please - put on a black robe with hood and walk around with a scythe. You are a downer if ever there was.

No one is taking you seriously except you.

In agreement--
Total agreement with the post of Oracle 1 and his 12:20 post. And if harry"the prune" reid and his ilk have their way, as has been read, then will will have another shamnesty try by the same punks that tried before.

Past as Prolog
When it all catches up with us in the form of hyper-inflation or flat out devaluation of the dollar will it only affect conservatives?

Set aside for a moment who won the election (Some on this thread see this as an appropriate gloating response to any issue that is raised.) Also, set aside the question of who started it (This reminds me of: Mom, he hit me first!) Also, set aside the issue of whether the SS bonds are really bonds or not (The promised benefits are unfunded mandates, surely.)

Just ask what your personal situation would be like if you had the debt/equity ratio of the US Government where debt in the latter case also includes unfunded mandates like SS. A Chapter 11 filing just might be in your future. What's the equivalent for the US Government? Print more money is one "solution (Despots as far back as Pancho Villa have tried that one.) What happens to the value of your dollars if the Government just prints some more for its own use? Refuse to pay the debts? Not likely that solution would work for long. The Government has to borrow more to keep the Ponzi plan alive. Who will be the lender?

Pretty soon all of these expensive programs our new president wants will start to worry you if your're not careful.

Truth hurts, huh?
"You are a downer if ever there was."

Yeah, man! Cuz things are really going great, dude!

I think the saddest part of all is that pukes like you DON'T take anything seriously. As long as your welfare check continues to show up, who cares, right?

I have a question: Can ANYONE name JUST ONE THING that Obama has done so far that hasn't been an unmitigated disaster? Just ONE thing? I was thinking about that earlier, and have yet to come up with ANYTHING at all that he's touched that hasn't failed. Maybe some commie-mommy puke like you or Hal the Torturer can come up with something.

Hal #43
You wrote: "The philosophy of the Democratic Party is very much in consort with the philosophy of the founders. Conservative philosophy almost exactly mirrors the Torie philosophy and actions after the revolution."

OMG you are a nutter just like everyone says. How you can make that statement with a straight face is unbelievable. It just shows how far off the track Dims in this country have gone.

If you think for one minute that George, Thomas, Ben and the boys would agree with all that the Fed Guv has become you are insane. They specifically enumerated the Fed Guv's duties in order to limit it. They did not see an all-seeing, all-knowing, and all-powerfult govmint. They knew then, as we are learning again now, that government is the worst solution - no matter the problem.

You have become so partisan that you are now blinded to everything. Repugs have certainly drifted towards Big Guvmint but the Dims invented it (FDR)! someone supposedly intelligent enough to be an officer in the military being such a moron is a tribute to our education system.

ROFLMAO! You are pathetic Hal!

An Ode To Pensioners Everywhere.
I cross ocean,
poor and broke,
Take bus,
see employment folk.

Nice man treat me
good in there,
Say I need to
see welfare.

Welfare say,
'You come no more,
We send cash
right to your door.'

Welfare checks,
they make you wealthy,
Medicaid it keep
you healthy!

By and by,
I get plenty money,
Thanks to you,
American dummy.

Write to friends
in motherland,
Tell them 'come
fast as you can.'

They come in turbans
and Ford trucks,
I buy big house
with welfare bucks

They come here,
we live together,
More welfare checks,
it gets better!

Fourteen families,
they moving in,
But neighbor's patience
wearing thin.

Finally, white guy
moves away,
Now I buy his house,
and then I say,
'Find more aliens
for house to rent.'
And in the yard
I put a tent.

Send for family
they just trash,
But they, too,
draw the welfare cash!

Everything is
very good,
And soon we
own the neighborhood.

We have hobby
it's called breeding,
Welfare pay
for baby feeding.

Kid's need dentist?
Wife's need pills?
We get free!
We got no bills!

American's crazy!
He pay all year,
To keep welfare
running here.

We think America
darn good place!
Too darn good for
the white man race.

If they no like us,
they can scram,
Got lots of room in Pakistan .

It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890.00 and each can also get an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00 .

This compares very well to a single pensioner who after contributing to the growth and development of America for 40 to 50 years can only receive a monthly maximum of $1,012.00 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement.

Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees!

Hal
The last ever response you will get from me

All you ever do is come in here to insult people, hardly ever stay on topic, and never answer any of the questions posed to you. I will waste no more of my time reading or responding to your posts.

In closing,

Consume feces and expire.

beowulfe
I did not see the spectacle of Obama bowing to the Saudi. I did hear Mark Steyn sitting in for Rush today.He was horrified at it.I did know about the appointment last week. I posted it on one of the threads. Another criminal.

Many of us here at townhall said for a long time Obama was Muslim or at least a Muslim sympathizer. He even said that he sympathized with them in one of his books.

When Bill Clinton lied under oath and was found guilty,many said "no man is above the law,not even the president". There should be a law against the things this man is doing.

Maybe the things he is doing are not criminal as in a misdemeanor or felony. What he is doing is a crime against humanity and the citizens of the country. He should be punished for it.We are his victims. Don't we have any recourse?

More Gross Political Malfeasance!
The SS fund has been raided by the politicos every time they need some quick moneys to patch one of their botched schemes. This is suppose to be sacrosanct money that retirees count on (unless you’re a politico type who gets independent and protected full retirement with full benefits after serving only one term in office…courtesy of the same politicians who are supposedly “fixing” the economy). Also, these same thieves have added on a ton of entitlements (to appease their thoroughly disillusioned constituents) WITHOUT requiring an increase in contribution to fully cover them.

All elected positions in government should be limited to two terms and for senators, each term no more than four years. Then there must be pay-for-performance and they must not be allowed to evaluate themselves nor vote their own automatic pay raises and benefits. Pay and benefits must not extend beyond their term(s). A small retirement package may be appropriate if serial wrongdoing was not perpetrated while in office; this should save taxpayers’ beaucoup dollars. Their health benefits and all other benefits should not be substantially different than the working population in general. We must insist/demand transparency in proposed legislation and ample time to review their mess by independent citizen groups and citizens at large. The impeachment process should be streamlined to get the clowns out before they bring the country down.

reply to; Charles LPKY
Hal D. is simply NOT worth a response, as I noted earlier... he is like a burp of garlic-- unpleasant and without real value:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hal D. is a troll/provocateur here
Hal D. is known to use multiple screen names here, and generally simply acts as a provocateur-- an irreverent gadfly spewing leftist prattle iconoclasm, signifying little to nothing of value.

It is best not to feed the trolls... another troll is "Ranger 29," a/k/a "Wobbie" (Robert in Texas) who also uses multiple screen names, and is often "banned," which suggests he is a shill for TH.

Denise #129
That is a good post, but sickening to me. I work a 40 hour week and make less than the amount you quoted.

But at least I earn it:)

Oracle1
I know about Hal and wobbie, i just had to say one last thing to him, to let him know what i really think of him. If he or any other Liberal could come in here and be civil, i would have no problem with them. But as you pointed out he and wobbie are nothing but over sized children that just want to play games. I doubt they could debate in a face to face setting. I know they cannot debate on a blog already.

I do thank you for the heads up. :)

No privatization
Just flat out elimination. People shouldn't have to invest in interest bearing securities just to retire. Cutting out the Federal Reserve and it's inflationary practices will make it so we can actually just stick that money in a can and still live on it. Inflation was a fantasy in America until 1913. Social Security was an attempt to make up for inflation by stealing from one and giving it to another. There never was a "trust fund", it was just a means to transfer payments to one citizen. The first recipients didn't pay a cent into it. All we got were IOUs. A tax is a tax is a tax, no matter how you dress it up.

Get rid of Social Security, get rid of those taxes and shutter fractional reserve banking outright. If we didn't have to constantly pay out taxes, either directly or indirectly via our savings getting consumed by never ending inflation, we'd all be better off.

Justin
I can agree with you. The American people (well a lot of) have forgotten a very important aspect of being an American...Personal Responsibility. They have become dependent on the fed, which in turn is bankrupting America. A program for this, another for that, and one more for the other. Will the madness ever stop?

Got to Go
You all have a good evening

katch up - back up
..so Reagan was last Conserv?
Not what the Rove man was sayin for 10 yrs. Spokesman Rove formed Bush like a sculpy nose ring and labled him Reagan's successor. The First to notice the shallow hollow Pres were the (gasp) Dems - liberal (loyal opposition) in the person of (gasp) B Frank and C Dodd and all those suddenly Wrong and misguided congressman. Honestly - One of true victims today is the culinary industry because of the low inventory of Teflon. Every wing of the Great Speckled Bird, White Dove, is consuming huge qtys and no one is immune from the superabundante of mouth noise from politicians. Vote for Nader.

beowulfe
uh uh...In Jan got the best job in my life making more money and doing the planet and its people a service. Pharmaceuticals.
12 hr shifts, lunch in bag and a new truck in every parking space.
What do you do?

Rowly - Have you been to turkey?
"Obama also said, to a round of applause, that the United States supports Turkey becoming a member of the European Union."

Why is this an issue for you? Turkey has been a secular nation for quite a while and did pretty well at keeping the Middle East relatively stable during the reule of the Ottoman Empire. They have a little history of their own to draw on regarding extremism.

Obama,The Apologizer
Sarkozy's Rebuke
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, April 06, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Europe: French President Nicolas Sarkozy gave a good smackdown to President Obama's call for Turkey's admission to the European Union. He's right. Deciding membership is a task for Europe, not the U.S.
Read More: Europe & Central As
Sarkozy had no choice but to say something after Obama called for membership, to "ensure we continue to anchor Turkey firmly in Europe." Sure, it broke the smoothness of Obama's first presidential tour of Europe, but he had no choice.

"I have been working hand in hand with President Obama, but when it comes to the European Union it's up to member states of the European Union to decide" on members, France's leader said. "I have always been opposed to this entry and I remain opposed."

pendulum
people, people, relax, don't let barry h. get you upset. unfortunately the political pendulum is swinging to the left. but it will reverse course. the only problem is he may have shredded
the Constitution by then.

Robert
Everything this man does is an issue to me. Why not? The post you reference is not my words. The emphasis on Turkey was his.But I agree 100%.


No,I have not been to Turkey,but I do know one when I see one. In this case it is president,to my great sorrow.

Rowly - That's interesting, but
what does it have to do with your personal belief that Turkey should not be in the European Union? Why do you rail against Obama for supporting Turkey's bid for memebership? Have you been to Turkey?

Robert
Can you read? Did you read my post? Try it slowly so you will comprehend it. It is short. Should not be a problem for you.

For the record...I am against EVERYTHING he does...even THINKS. He and his mentors are masterminding the destruction of our country. Don't you SEE that?

Rowly - So, in your world,

conservative = good and liberal = bad.

Do you leave any room for grey areas in governmental policies?




Robert
Neither is all good or all bad. There is a saying ,"there is some good in the worst of us and some bad in the best of us."

As for gray areas...all presidents in my lifetime had them. Even Carter and Clinton had some good in them. I have seen no gray in this man.

I think everything this man has done is detrimental to our freedoms. That is my opinion.

bobbit
"Date: Apr 6, 2009 - 4:37 PM EST
Hal #43
You wrote: "The philosophy of the Democratic Party is very much in consort with the philosophy of the founders. Conservative philosophy almost exactly mirrors the Torie philosophy and actions after the revolution."
....If you think for one minute that George, Thomas, Ben and the boys would agree with all that the Fed Guv has become you are insane. They specifically enumerated the Fed Guv's duties in order to limit it..."

Actually not true at all read the real history of the 10th. Also, you folks keep forgetting WHY we even have a constitution - the Articles of Confederation failed. Weak central government was out. You are just echoing the failed language of segregationists etc

"...They did not see an all-seeing, all-knowing, and all-powerfult govmint. They knew then, as we are learning again now, that government is the worst solution - no matter the problem."

This is wrong. They realised that they needed a stronger central government to survive. Is this why you folks ignore the Articles of confederation?

"...but the Dims invented it (FDR)! someone supposedly intelligent enough to be an officer in the military being such a moron is a tribute to our education system..."

LMAO I am private educated. Actually the beginning was the US Postal service who started that?

More Government Control

Federal Takeover
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, April 06, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Bailouts: Didn't Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner say that it was not the administration's intent to control private companies? Then why is it reportedly reluctant to accept TARP repayments from some banks.
If it has indeed declined to accept $340 million in payments from banks in Louisiana, New York, Indiana and California, the administration is tacitly admitting that it wants to control those banks as well as others that will try to pay back the taxpayers' money they took in the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

By refusing repayment, the government can keep the leverage it bought with the bailouts. Banks that still "owe" would not be in position to reject the administration as a "partner."

This reminds us of mobsters making a small "investment" in a family-owned shop, which is not always wanted by the owners, and then using it to justify taking over the business.

Joseph DePaolo, president and CEO of Signature Bank in New York, one of the four banks making TARP repayments last week, said his company wanted to return $120 million it received because, in part, it wasn't comfortable with legislation passed that would limit compensation for salespeople. Those limits, he explained, would make it hard to recruit top professionals.




arrogant
'"when europeans come to america it is embarrassing. they speak french english german.
when americans go to europe all they can say is merci beau coup."'
quote from barak husein mohammed obama on campaign trail in florida, 2008.

all i can say is danke schoen mein fuhrer.

adios,
ab
lancaster, taxifornia, mexifornia, prop8ifornia
push 1 for gringo english you dim wits.

got smartbox?
got boxcars?

p.s. - no muslim father leaves out the name mohammed in his sons' names. every kenyan male that is a muslim has the name somewhere in his usually long moniker. every 9-11 hijacker had the name.


Rowly, I can respect your opinion
But you might want to take a look at Turkey as a suitable ally for the US and as a potential member of the European Union, regardless of Obamas opinion.

Social Security?
All of us have paid into the system over our working lives and each of us has contributed to this fund based on our income with the belief that our contributions would help us to survive in our later years with at least some federal support. Unknowingly perhaps to many Big Government has borrowed and stolen from these savings to support other programs not related to the purpose for which this system was established. Now it's time to pay up and the system is broke. Guess what happened. Big Government "robbed Peter to pay Paul".
The "Golden Years" of retirement may very well be over because of all the irresponsible spending and thievery of Government and our trust in those who should have been more conservative. It's sad to think that my life's social security payments will go to support organizations such as ACORN or some animal in Kalifornia or any other Pork project.

HAL
the fact that the Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation was not a referendum on having weak central government. True enough, the Federalist wanted a stronger central government, but not all of the Founding Fathers were in agreement on this. The biggest reasons for replacing the Articles were:

1) under the Articles, regardless of the size of the state, it was granted only one vote in the congress. Meaning, people in the larger states were not properly represented
2) a strong central government does not equal BIG government. Issues of taxation and tariffs were not properly addressed under the Articles of Confederation.

and lastly, as I said earlier, many of the Founding Fathers, having just broke away from mother-England, were wary of a central gov. that was too powerful. The question of the role of the central government were debated back-and-forth for many years, even after the Founding Fathers were in their graves.
If you insist on using historical facts in your arguements, please get them right.

Thank you, Star, for another insightful
column. I have only two points of disagreement with you regarding reasons for the progressive failure of Social Security.

[1] You say the last attempt to overhaul it was in 1983, by a special commission. This overlooks George Bush's attempts to bring the issue in front of Congress, and they would have none of it. The Democrats in control said there was no problem to fix.

[2] You say "families have shrunk." I love the way no one ever mentions the social effects which ensue from 35 years of aborting America's children. Conservatively, we have killed off 40 million workers. I guess one could say that this has caused families to "shrink."

Social Security was based on the (now proven) false assumption that the money collected would be saved, and presumably invested. If this alone had been done, we would not have problems for several decades to come. It also did not account for the increasing number of voters who have been added for benefits, most of whom are far from retirement age. For example, I received Social Security checks between the ages of 19-23, because I was in college and had lost one parent.

We all criticize the idea as a crazy Ponzi scheme, but the idea was never given a chance. I'm not a big fan of any socialist program, but I hate to see faulty logic and selective information used to discredit a plan that was intended to work quite differently.

One other variable: Could the reason we dropped from $86B to $3B in reserves have anything to do with the trillions of dollars in recent spending bills? Where, exactly, is all that money coming from? More IOUs?

TAKE ACTION B 4 it is TOO late !
OBAMA can shut down power,communication system, food supply, gas and oil supply in ONE HOUR OR LESS!

THEN who ya gonna “call” “email” worse even know what is going on ?

There are at least 14 bills with variations passing through the house and senate that are going to devastate and instantly destroy this nation as we know it:

AND when they are passed in the middle of the night !

U R GOING TO DO WHAT ?

IF everyone does NOT get 10 people to get 10 people to “organize” a revolt, and move to action.

1. We will become a 3rd world country within 1 year or less.

2. OUR kids and grandchildren will be dragged off to “YOUTH SLAVE LABOR CAMPS” His youth ARMY camps.

3. the parasites, leeches, deranged, tyrants, demented, brain fried druggies will be moved into our homes.
YOU WILL HAVE TO “SHARE”.

4. IF YOU WANT a “loaf of bread” you will have to buy a “modified bike” from GM and put your measly savings into OBAMA’s banks !

R U LISTENING::: they want to control your income who runs your company, etc.

5. AND NOW IT IS reparations < PAY AND PAY AND PAY AND PAY FOR Slavery: Which we had zero part of:

The “special Obama forces” along with ACORN and other radicals will be dispatched to keep us all in line!

ASK ? who is getting the AMMO ?? ACORN, the RADICALS, THE BROWN SHIRTS ?

MAJOR corporations and billions of dollars are leaving the country every week to escape Obama’s wrath on this nation !

SO now you have a choice, type all of the meaningless crap for days and send meaningless junk in email chains, and blog and blog all that we already know about and or will you get some spine to move your circle of influence into action:

APRIL 15th < BE THERE

NOTRE DAME < BE THERE !

JULY 4th < BE THERE !

NOW IS THE TIME TO “ take names, kick serious butt, and move to action.

AS Germany went under HITLER
SO GOES THE USA under OBAMA !

Liberty or Death !

SEE what EVIL is coming your way !

http://www.logisticsmonster.com


why...(comment from a friend)
Perhaps I’m one of the John Galts

Why? Because…

I’m a developer of new cancer therapies here in California.
My husband is an engineer who makes $100K a year. I could make another 100K if I worked. What would we get for that extra 100K?

Well, 33% would go to federal taxes and since we live in California another 10% would go to state taxes. Medicare would take another 2% and other California payroll taxes (SDI) another 2%. Loss of deductions and exemptions would probably account for another 2%. So, we’re already up to 49%. Then we have to add loss of other redistributionist incentives (e.g. that fact that our children will become less eligible for college financial aid etc.). That brings us to an approximate 52% income loss. So, of the 100K extra we are down to 48K. To that we subtract the extra commuting costs of going to work (another 8K/year) and babysitting costs at another 10K per year. What are we left with? 30K/year, 30 cents to the dollar.

And what would we get for those extra 30K? We would get to never see out kids, except on the weekends, and we would get to have our kids raised by babysitters. Thanks, but no thanks!

Please remind me, dear public, why I would work to cure your cancers ?

Now the public says that they want to increase taxes so that we work for what? 0.25, 0.20c to the dollar? And! Perhaps more importantly, they want to guarantee that we have the same level of national healthcare, no matter how much we work (read, contribute to society). They even want to guarantee that our kids will go to college regardless and perhaps guarantee us a decent retirement too. Is that supposed to stimulate me to go seek the second income I’m very capable of earning curing your cancers?

Keep dreaming, dear public. We’re bailing out! Cure your own cancers!
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