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Monday, July 28, 2008
Star Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Kumbaya falls flat in Berlin
by Star Parker
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The headline on the website of German magazine Der Spiegel about Barack Obama's speech in Berlin: "Huge Crowds Left with Mixed Feelings."

Two hundred thousand turned out for the speech, but CNN's Candy Crowley reported an "absence of euphoria" at the event.

As Senator Obama went global with "Yes, we can" and "Change we can believe in" he left at least some of the horde in Berlin scratching their heads. Perhaps these Germans, out to hear what all the excitement was about, were looking for leadership and substance rather than kumbaya.

What they got was the global version of "There is not a White America and a Black America and Latino America and Asian American America -- there is the United States of America."

Obama spoke not just as a "proud citizen of the United States but a fellow citizen of the world."

His message: "The walls between races and tribes, natives and immigrants, Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down."

At least some of the Germans listening to Obama surely sensed there was something problematic with what he was saying. His analogy of the tearing down of the Berlin wall to tearing down all lines of distinction between nations and religions was obviously fractured. The Berlin wall was a political wall that divided one people. It separated Germans from other Germans, a far cry from distinctions between nations and religions that Obama apparently wants to obliterate.

The German, French and British each have a strong sense of national history and identity.

Efforts for a European Union constitution that would establish links in Europe going beyond economics and extending to politics have thus far failed.

Perhaps the realities of Europe delivered an unanticipated surprise to the slick marketing machine driving the Obama presidential campaign.

Unlike in the United States, where you drive coast to coast and hear one language, where national culture is at least as influential and pervasive as regional differences, Europe consists of different countries. When you get to national borders, languages and cultures change.

For Obama, differences seem to be what cause the world's problems. We endlessly hear the story of his mixed-race background and his translation of his personal history into a message of the meaninglessness of difference.

It may come as a surprise to Obama, but for Christians, for Muslims, and for Jews, their differences do not amount to barriers to a better world but sources of meaning that define themselves and the world.

They want to be Christians, Muslims, and Jews. They just want protection. They want to be able to be who they are and live peacefully and securely. Those disturbing this security are the problem. Not the differences.

Which gets to Obama's very problematic idea about freedom.

He does not seem to grasp that the beauty of freedom is its respect for differences and creation of conditions, legal and political, which allow them to exist, flourish, and provide benefits to all. In fact, politicians with agendas to "unify," who think they know who and what everyone should be, are invariably those who threaten freedom.

Obama used the occasion of this speech to apologize to Europe about his country. "We've made a lot of mistakes, and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions." But, covering his bases, he made a point to follow up and assure the crowd that ". . . I know how much I love America."

What every American should demand from Obama is clarification of what, if anything, he sees unique about the America that he claims to loves so much. For a man whose ideal seems to be the global village, with no barriers or differences, is there anything special about the United States that makes it distinct from other nations -- that defines it as uniquely great?

What is the distinction between the "proud citizen of the United States" and the "fellow citizen of the world." Those in Berlin heard none and many went home legitimately confused.

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Star Parker is the founder and president of CURE, the Coalition for Urban Renewal & Education, a 501c3 think tank which explores and promotes market based public policy to fight poverty, as well as author of White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects Inner City Decay.
 
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Another "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy"
Here's an effective, super-secret tactic to use in fighting the great threat of socialism in America and Obama as the POTUS: THE TRUTH.

Lots of people aren't political junkies, and they simply don't KNOW the truth about Obama. The media tells them how popular Obama is, how McCain has no juice, and they believe it.

Every day between now and November 4th, we need to reach out to all the members of our families, especially the young adults who might be swept up with all the Obamamania they see with their peers. Talk to your friends, your neighbors, your coworkers, the people on the bus with you (trying to save $$$ on gas), any and everyone you come across. We need people to be as INFORMED as possible by November, and we need to come out in record numbers to be CERTAIN the electoral college fully understands "the will of the people." We can't chance this one folks. This particular election will determine the life of America itself; will what our founders built be destroyed, or will we be able to fight off the home-grown socialists and communists? Like I said, we need record numbers.

column
i wonder if the MSM will report that headline.
i doubt that as they report it a rousing success with a big helping of "ObamaMania."

You mean

You don't think he won the German vote?

Yes, that all-important German vote
I wonder how the devil Obama worked up the chutzpah to make that speech in the first place. If he returns to the Senate in '09, what has it accomplished for him or for Germany? And if he wins--well, the trip was for the purpose of helping to win the American election to begin with. The Germans should be scratching their heads-- what could his speech possibly have to do with them?
That said, Parker is dead-on about the specifics of the speech: what can Berliners want with the pabulum about tearing down "walls" when they lived with a literal one?

What has he accomplished?
Well, he got a tax-deductible working vacation for himself, his entourage, and a gaggle of media-folk ...

Curious--
I am curious as to how the heck this speech by the Oblahmaha will win over the unwashed here.
There is still hope that they will become washed before November. If not, methinks it will be a nightmare come true. This entire election cycle is a nightmare.

Sad
In a sad attempt to appear presidential Obama demonstrates himself to be completely ridiculous. No spin from the MSM will change that fact.
Reagan had substance, presence and understanding of the importance of his time when he demanded of Gorbechov: "tear down this wall".
I am looking for a president of the UNITED STATES...not some "citizen of the world".
Alas, we knew Reagan, we knew John Kennedy.
Barack....you are no Kennedy.
You are not on the same court nor league with Reagan.
Sir, you are ridiculous, an empty suit.

Brickhouse...
you are right on...I had a conversation with younger members of my family just today...explained tax increases, that 1% of Americans pay 40% of the national income tax. That 50% of taxpayers pay 97% of the taxes. They may not make much now, but they certainly have the hope of bettering themselves...didn't take them long to catch on to the "redistribution of wealth" and that they didn't want any part of it! This is a terrific article!

Free concert, free beer, free brats
200,000 came to see Obama in Berlin, lured by a free concert of popular entertainers. Supposedly also free brats and beer - of course people came.That was in Germany.

In America the politicians, especially the Democrats have been luring voters with free and subsidized food, medical care, welfare, education, etc. for decades. Of course people came and are coming in ever increasing numbers.

Well folks, read the story about how to catch pigs, and if you got any brains, you'll clearly see that the four sides of the fence are up. Our politicians of both parties have been spreading the "corn" and putting up the fences. Obama's democrats probably will be the ones to throw the gate shut.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1899897/posts

There is no free lunch and we all are paying for it in the end, although many of us (taxpayers) have paid already and will be made to pay even more.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1899897/posts


wall
For someone who now advocates tearing down walls of separations, he seemed to have tolerated membership in a highly divisive black church for 2 decades. What hypocracy!

Legal immigrant

Hitler promised Hope & Change too!
Call me cynical, but I think it's fair to characterize some of Hitler's promises as being for "Hope" and "Change".

He also drew huge crowds, and was a skilled speaker.

Please
Would someone please be so kind as to inform me what office the Wonder boy is running for. President of the United States, or King of the World/Universe? Inquiring minds want to know.

How is This For Truth....
Obama got his political start in the home of husband and wife American haters/ terrorists, The Ayers.
He served on a board with them and developed a friendship(though he tried to downplay it).
He spent 20 years in The Rev. Jeramiah Wright's Church listening to vitriolic anti-American, white bashing sermons(leaving only as he became the Democratic nominee).
The church honored such paragons of virtue as Nation of Islam's Louis Farrakhan. A racist, anti-Semite bigot.
The Church featured a poster honoring Hamas.
Obama in his two books,"Dreams of my father" and "Audacity of Hope" makes some telling revelations: That he held suspicion and distanced himself from his mother's race and identified with his father's race as a son of Africa.
That he had an early mentor James Marshall Davis whom was an avowed communist.
Michelle Obama in her senior thesis at princeton lambasts America as founded on white greed and slavery and further that she would, when in a position to do so, singularly direct her efforts to helping her own(African-Americans)people.
The most alarming statement from Barak Obama from 'Audacity of Hope'..."I will stand with the Muslims if the political winds should change in an ugly direction".
Sound like a couple who will bring ALL Americans together to sing kumbaya? Then I have a bridge to sell you.

HOT OFF THE PRESS!
Obama returns home to find himself with a 9-point lead in the latest daily Gallup tracking poll....


"Barack Obama now leads John McCain among national registered voters by a 49% to 40% margin in Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted July 24-26."



Welcome home, Barack. Pay no mind to the bitter, whiny posters here at Townhall (not that you'd ever think of slumming it at TH!)

Socialist
And like Hitler, Barak Hussein Obama is a socialist (with the most liberal voting record in the U.S. Senate). Voting thus, he must fundamentally believe that government is a good thing. (and so why not have everyone conform to the "common good"). He fails to understand that "We are a country with a government, not the other way around." That our founding fathers thought those who are least governed are those who are best governed. Socialists (Liberals, if you will) do not have very high aspirations for those that they "serve". Rather than stake their hopes on human ingenuity, and free enterprise, they look to create a Government State, the larger and more intrusive the better, so that people pay higher taxes, have less freedoms, and are more dependent upon the inefficient, and therefore costly, services that it provides.

or perhaps Worse?
But this assumes that he is indeed genuine. I find it amazing that he has come so far, so fast. And his agenda: Disarm our nuclear weapons, and defensive missle capabilities. Appeasement in the face of a hostile enemies. No development of our own natural resources. Socialist and immigration policies that will bankrupt the nation. He has taken the most self destructive course for this country, on every single issue. Accidental? Every other democratic candidate is struggling financially. Where is his funding coming from? Every Islamic terrorist that has attacked western civiization lead a double life. The public facade was used to cover their real destructive purpose. I fear the worse when I take a hard look at this one.

Wait For the Debates
Great article -- first one I've seen that really analyzed the German response. I think this long-strange-trip did short-term gain (and not much of it) and long-term pain for Obamination. Americans can smell a rat a mile away. Most aren't paying attention yet. Sure, they get the gist of Obama as being for hope and change... and polls are still w/in the margin of error.

Wait until we get to the debates where McCain's substance vs. Obama's phony cure-all talk will lay bare what a thoroughly UN-prepared joker Obama is.

I hope McLame is smart enough to pick Romney as veep. Romney will MOP THE FLOOR with Obama and any idiot willing to take the dem's veep slot.

It May Come as a Surprise
"It may come as a surprise to Obama, but for Christians, for Muslims, and for Jews, their differences do not amount to barriers to a better world but sources of meaning that define themselves and the world."

The problem is "liberation theology" and the "social gospel" practiced by many apostate churches -- including Millhouse's church in Chicago. They think Christ Jesus was the first communist, not the Son of God. Books have been written on this point, but the bottom line is, under "liberation theology", idiots like Farrakhan are morally equivalent to confessional Christians.

The most frightening thing about Barrack Millhouse is not his INexperience (which is bad enough) -- it's his EXPERIENCE.

At least if B. Millhouse wins in November, we'll get the White House and both houses of Congress back in CONSERVATIVE hands (not RINOs) in 4 years. And we can tell Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to stuff a sock in it!

PEACE!

Nat-X

...........
....BHO=communist.......but, you knew that

or perhaps Worse?
But this assumes that he is indeed genuine. I find it amazing that he has come so far, so fast. And his agenda: Disarm our nuclear weapons, and defensive missle capabilities. Appeasement in the face of a hostile enemies. No development of our own natural resources. Socialist and immigration policies that will bankrupt the nation. He has taken the most self destructive course for this country, on every single issue. Accidental? Every other democratic candidate is struggling financially. Where is his funding coming from? Every Islamic terrorist that has attacked western civiization lead a double life. The public facade was used to cover their real destructive purpose. I fear the worse when I take a hard look at this one.

Democrats: The Party of Stupid
Democrat candidates always have to lie about their true beliefs and objectives. If they came right out and said, "We want America to suck like every other country", then who would vote for them?

Every election cycle, it seems there's a hard-core 40% or so who just blindly support the democrat, no matter what. That 40% is comprised of 30% Kool-Aid drinkers, who understand all the "code language" the Dems use, such as "Citizen of the world". They know that the candidate wants a weaker America, with a big nanny state and wealth redistribution ... just like all the other sucky countries.

Then another 10% are actually STUPID enough to be fooled by the code language and the liberal media.

In this cycle, Millhouse's race (which only HE HIMSELF has made an issue of) gives him an additional 7% or 8% bump because of people's misplaced good intentions to elect our first black president - no matter how unqualified he might be.

On the republican side, we have 5% Kool-Aid drinkers, and a healthy 39% or 40% of smart analytical people, who understand how the world works and why the nanny state is antithetical to our founding father's vision of America. ...and who understand that a weak America allows tyrants to fill the vacuum, etc. (Remember Carter?)

The key always comes down to persuading the independent (indifferent) voters. That 4%-6% in the middle. Usually they start off early in the campaign on the democrats' side, but as the campaign wears on, there is a late move toward the Republican candidate.

It'd be nice to squeak this one out come November!

Bravo Star!
"He [Obama] does not seem to grasp that the beauty of freedom is its respect for differences and creation of conditions, legal and political, which allow them to exist, flourish, and provide benefits to all. In fact, politicians with agendas to "unify," who think they know who and what everyone should be, are invariably those who threaten freedom."

Star, thank you for expressing this important point so eloquently. It seems that Obama's whole campaign slogan is this empty notion of "unity" and "change" which is not based upon principles. "Unity" for the sake of unity alone is not a virtue.

"Change" is also an empty notion - change to what? Health care where there are long lines, rationing, delays in tests & operations, and fewer doctors? A government that penalizes and taxes businesses so they cannot progress, hire, grow, and produce profits (which are the core of middle class retirements and stock plans)? Hamper and restrict use of America's resources so that the middle class is burdened with energy prices that it cannot afford? Yep, that's change! And it is change for the worse, not better!



horrible effort
obama speech before 200,000 was just this side of a complete disaster.
it was so terriblwe that the united states army has been put on alert by our commander in chief (whoever he is) the rationale being that if 200,000 germans, expecting euphoria and met with somethingless there is strong reason to bbelieve that they will start discussing the posiblity of starttin ww 3 with their primary target this tune being right wing columnists
t of color who write abolutely stupid srtcles like this one.
obamas sppech has been likened d to what happens when a heroin addict takes his fix expecting high quality heroin but gets mediocre stuff . its not as good as expected, (there is no euphoria, but its still damn fine and will do.
it is really pathetic raading these right wing columnists and those who write threads agreeing with them and tv ers trying to find something, snything that they can legitimatedly criticize in obamas speech. it seem that if it didnt start ww3 or end the war against terrorism it was a dudor at least they will do their best to make it so. . theyve been= silly before on many occasions but this collective attept takes the cake. you need to hire someont to invent a stupid meter and suject all your columns to it. few would fail but certainly this one would.

Learn from excesses of nationalism
You really should come to visit Europe, Star. I don't know if you been here recently or not, but your writing doesn't show it. Dropping borders and walls has been quite popular for some time now, since they've learned the hard way that the excesses of nationalism can be very dangerous. The exceptions are some of the former Soviet states, which are more nationalistic because they have recent experience with repression.

Naturally the Germans had mixed feelings, since Obama favors increasing German military role in Afghanistan--an unpopular political view there-- but for the most part they view Obama as the best hope in years to reverse worsening ties with America. Obama represents to many of them the America they wish to have again-- much like JFK represented.

I hope nobody missed the irony that a more favorable headline by Der Spiegel would have also incurred the wrath of the right wing, like: If the Europeans love him so much there must be something un-American about him. The slayer of the Hillary beast can never win on TH.

Obama's Speech = Heroin Fix?
This analogy offered by MRBMRB on 28 Jul at 6:01AM is a good one! It also makes the author's point: let's use our heads and think about what the candidate is saying, and not just fall for some "feel good" platitudes. Thanks MRBMRB!

SILLY ME
Obama, made a speech on a tour he was pushed to go on by like's of some of you, not so smart ones that felt he lacked in the area of foreign knowledge, now your saying the German's were looking for more substance. i guess the German vote counts in this election or is this just another way of finding fault with him. This is beginning to look a lot like the democratic primary race.

Remenber this.
Obama orated at the German crowd as if he was standing in front of a liberal mindless American crowd. By European standards President Bush and current American policies are considered far Right Conservatism. Of course we American Conservatives know better. My point is...If people around the World truly felt animosity towards America and her people why then have they elected Conservatives (by their standards). I believe the truth is that most people around the free World appreciate and respect Americans and are tired of high tax appeasing socialist/communist politicians ruining their countries.

I CERTAINLY AM CONFUSED......
I totally agree with Brickhouse of NM; obviously there is so much Media bias that we need an alternative source for getting the truth out there.

I didn't know until early this morning, that the 200,000 gathered in Berlin were NOT there to see Obama - they were lured there by a free
rock concert. I also just found out that Obama
refused the American Flag to be present.

I am refreshed to hear that the German people did not get the "leg tingle", and since they don't have the Media bias we are experiencing, more of the truth is reaching people - unfortunately, it's reaching the wrong people.
You would think Obama is running for President
of Germany, or President of the New Yoko-Ono
Record Company (and about to re-record his song
"Imagine").

Besides talking to friends and people on the bus, isn't there another way to beat Media bias?
Maybe a new Newspaper circulation is in order -
one that prints the TRUTH. Wow, what a concept.
IMAGINE.

lip hair
The media have made no special note of the matter, but Obama has returned from his trip to Berlin sporting a distinctive toothbrush mustache. He must have a lot of extra male hormones. Such a mensch, a leader of men, forward to the future, ever onward, bare as we are before his probing, burning gaze, and he knows us as no one ever has, our needs, our hopes, leads us, our leader, our leader.

Berlin suits him.

I kid, of course. Obama isn't like Hitler. Thought is absurd. A mere coincidence of location and style. But isn't it odd, that a man of virtually no accomplishments should be so demanding? Have you noticed what his favorite word is? "Require".

Much has been made, by Obama's campaign workers and his adherents in the media, of his selflessness. I spelled that correctly, right? Yes, selflessness. It has two L's, and no H. Not selfeshness. No, not at all. That's not even a word. But here's the thing. Obama did indeed take a job as a ... community organizer. Some sort of pay cut might have been involved. Seems like such self-sacrifice, no? Alas. Look what he's doing with his "sacrifice". Flogging it. Using it. Selling himself on it. How then is it not just part of a long-term plan? A fleshing out of his CV?

It's not after all as if he was recruited for the job. He pushed himself forward. A few inquiries by Massachusetts Brahmans, and he launches himself from his Springfield office onto the national stage like Ester Williams plummeting from the springboard into her specially-built backlot pool. It takes a certain amount of self-esteem -- like, all of it -- to suppose oneself worthy of the highest office in the world. We can't object to ego. But we'd like it to be backed up by something other than rhythmic intonations methodically punctuated by repeated formulaic phrases. We must -- we must -- that's why-- that's why --they require -- they require ...

Yep. That mustache suits him. Even if it is only on the inside.


J

What hes speaking about...
... is only an issue in America.

Where the protestant trash that joined this nation with the sole intent of destroying it and creating a pro-"white"-protestant fascist state.

In Europe this isn't an issue. So this is where the confusion lies.

***

Also, for the writer, their is no "national culture" in America.

Only the attempt to enforce the culture of "white" protestants AS IF IT WERE a national culture and doing so were somehow covered in the constitution.

Why?
Why didn't Obama address the German people in German?

I am so embarrassed that he was unable to speak to them in their native tongue. After all, was that no what he said we should do when we go to Europe?

American in London
He is a joke. If you listened to the crowd trapped in the stadium by a free concert, food, and beer, you can hear the lukewarm response. They did not go to hear him, but music. This has also been true of big rallies in the states.

What you won't hear in the U.S. is that when speaking with the Tory leader, David Cameron, Cameron was shocked at his disconnect and told him he needed a break. Headline? Cameron and Obama talk about vacations.

I think this guy will sink himself. Let him keep talking. The truth of who he is will eventually destroy him.
Patricia
England

Everything comes full circle
The clueless Europeans have become the people with wisdom and the wise Americans have become clueless.

Eduardo writes:
"Where the protestant trash that joined this nation with the sole intent of destroying it and creating a pro-"white"-protestant fascist state."
-----

Huh?

Perhaps I am making an off-base assumption, but could "Eduardo" possibly be an immigrant of Latin descent?

That's the only reason I can think of for someone to be so poorly aware of U.S. history.

Eduardo, "white protestants" didn't "join" this nation - they founded it, by and large.

Your comments are astoundingly ignorant.

President Rodney King
All I heard was Rodney King, who whined about Getting Along as he was trying to beat the rap for the crime that got him subdued by the cops.

I hope it was pig-ignorance and not chutzpah that caused him to think of making this Rodney King plea to the Germans.

One Hit Rock Stars Burn Out
Obama is like a one hit wonder that is making a hit song that the people can sing along.. When the song is overexposed the song and the star will die out.

Common German reaction
Vas iss dis schiest?

Star, You are Mostly Correct
I do not like him and hope he loses his way to the presidency. But like it or not, he just got more face time than McShame will ever get from the media that the sheeple watch, read and hear from. And he didn't have to spend any ad money for it. Irrespective of the few negatives from the media, the Euros also fawned over him. I read that at a McShame meeting, one media person showed up. That is exactly what I would do if he came here - no show.

King of the World
Star, you always do a great job, and you outdid yourself in this column. I am watching this election very closely and talking to everybody who will listen to me. Barak Obama is dangerous; I am waiting for him to declare himself a god. He wants to be king of the world, not president of the United States. And, like some other posters said, he reminds me very much of Adolph Hitler. Many of his followers are swept up in an emotional frenzy; and if you question them, they really can't explain why. All they can say is "hope and change." Very scary.

How do you say it in German?
"Is he for real?"

How predicatble
Had this speech been the most inspiring in a generation star would have remained silent for found objections to some portion out of context.

And had he made the greatest of great speeches you would have faulted him for being so presumptuous as to make it in the first place. So lets start with the positives. He did not criticised George Bush on foreign soil. As we learned this is a horrible no no for conservatives. ALA Dixie Chicks except for the Republican Commanded in Chief exemption GWB in Israel.

He did not speak for the US government. He was a real uniter rather than the divder president we have in office. He asked the Europeans to take more responsibility for the war on terror and he backed this up in his meetings with Eurpopean heads of state.

Finally, he mentioned in positive terms that the war on terror represents a global threat, that should have scored him points with conservatives, but we all know thow shall not say a positive thing about Obama is now in effect.

IN the meantime this week McCain was sounding all the more like Obama on Iraq. Time tables vs. Horizons? His one campaign Mantra.. I was right about the surge. Wrong on the war, nout right on the surge. And again not a sigle column about him in townhall.com.

Not only talk with everyone on the bus
and at home, etc., flood your newspaper with letters to the Editor, some may be printed, say things that make sense and not garbage like Obama does, also get on talk radio and express your feelings, educate Americans on what you see as a distructive Obama.

The more you talk against Obama, the more people hear and even those who disagree with you, the thought you planted may grow and get them to thinking again.

Eduardo
GO HOME

THIS IS WHAT OUR 'OPEN BORDERS' HAVE BROUGHT US

0
I am a legal immigrant of German heritage and can tell you with certainty that that speech was empty.

It just goes to prove how much Obama does not know...he does not only not know the people of his own country, he does not understand the mindset of europeans.

I am proud to be an American but I also know that each european country wants to maintain the distinctions of their own land, their own culture, history, etc.

I am glad O went to europe and spoke...because now the europenas know what he is made of = O

history & change
Eduardo TX: "Only the attempt to enforce the culture of "white" protestants AS IF IT WERE a national culture and doing so were somehow covered in the constitution."

perhaps you didn't study this in school, but this country's constitution/system was founded on the thoughts/ideas/principles of a certain group of people...it got us to where it is today...perhaps not the best, but then nothing is.

But I can speak thru experience, having lived thru a different kind of system, that I would rather live under this "culture" than elsewhere...though we may be going backwards rather than forward with those same ideas.

the one thing I would change if I could, is allowing everyone to vote....I would IMPROVE upon it by having people pass a test to prove they understood what they were voting for...for it seems that the young do not understand the future....because they do not, forget the understanding part...they do not know the history...of this country or any other.

JMO51
Get an editor - or at least use do a little proof-reading before you post your usual "Obama is the Messiah" messages.

Candidate rallies
Is it a surprise that people show up at a political rally? I've been on earth for many decades and in that time I've never had a chance to see a presidential candidate close-up, neither one I liked nor one I disliked. I think I saw one once pass by in a car in a parade. Throw in some entertainment and I'd be there. As it is I'm supposed to get excited at seeing a picture of some handshaking at some precious little diner or senior citizen home because I'm supposed to identify with "the little people."

People with money and power show up in big numbers at fundraising dinners. They could just send in their money. They come because of the curiosity they also have about people with power.

Having an in-person response is much more informative than being told what is happening.

Doesn't Remind me of Hitler
B. Hussein Obama doesn't remind me of Adolf Hitler.
He reminds me of Elmer Gantry.

Kathy #39
Maybe I was wrong to think that Clinton was the third appearance in human form of the Antichrist, as predicted by Nostradamus, and that it's Hussein Obama. I'll have to rethink this.

Eduardo (#30) wrote
"what he's been speaking about is only an issue in America".

Actually, it's only an issue in the warped imaginations of 0blahma and other groats.

O,Bama
Ich bin ein empty suit
Thats why liberals love him so

joe
not only that but he startted delivering newpapers when he was 13. imagine, that far in advance of his desire to rule the world h was already establishing credentials that he hoped woild help him . its just a matter of time before he uses this act along with photos taken by his parents of his drying the dishes. this will go a long way towards insuring that he wins in kentucky where child dishwashers are really in this year. and as kentucky and child dishwashers go so goes the nation.

prima 54
wwhy is it that people who dont know anything about our history always foget about the indians. seems to me there were 3 or 4 of them here before it was discovered by white protestants. spaniards (catholics, and white) settled florida a long time before white protestants, as they did in the southwest. read a little history before you comment upon it. there is even some evidence. albeit thin that the chinese were here before white protestants.

ha
i think your idea about the test for voting is exeellent. i will push for it along with you if you promise me one thing. i will administer it, to you first, and if you give me a week to prepare i will guarantee that you will fail . not only that i will guarantee that ONLY you will fail of the millions who take the test.
weve tried tests before and found that, strangely enough, the ones who created the test pass an d the ones that they did not want to pass the test failed. big surprise. read some history.

Want more proof Dems HATE the US?
Just read James Carroll's column in the Boston Glob (sic) today where he calls World War II veterans "mass murderers".

Congratulations, Will
You posted without a single reference to homosexuality.

You could count on the fingers
on one of your hands all those cheering 200,000 Germans who would vote for a black person for Chancellor of Germany.


Its as if Obama is a type of robot
Programmed with every great society sound bite ever uttered and long ago implemented, which is why the US is a lesser country in many ways today. Being off the LBJ assembly line and long associated with one of the most corrupt political places in the US, Obama has no idea that his ideas are not his and not new. Having been made to feel special at all times by his various handlers over the years, this man has no idea that he is nothing more than a grandiose, well-dressed sock puppet.

I didn't think I'd see the active movement into a one world government in my lifetime. I was wrong. Gird your loins!

Eduardo
I've read two columns so far this morning.

In both, you have posted anti-Protestant comments completely unrelated to the columns.

Go back, read the columns, and then see if you can make a half-way intelligent comment.

mrbmrb
Not that I was talking to you - but if you'd take the time to read an entire sentence - you'd note I wrote "U.S." and "formed THIS nation".

I am quite well aware of other claimants of this "land".

Are you always this dense?

I will give you SOME credit for writing an almost coherent paragraph - if devoid of capitalization and correct punctuation. Did someone type this for you?

Speech doesn't matter
What matters is I haven't seen so many American flags waving in a foreign country since 9/11.


Not an History Scholar
It's worthy of note that our founding fathers had a reason to leave Europe. They came to America with the goal attaining Life, liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, one of the biggest motivations were:
Freedom of expression
- Less taxes
- smaller government
- People's representation
Isn't it ironic that Mr. Obama represents all our founding fathers fought against and for.
That he represents the death of all that's right with America, that the Europeans envy Fighting Power, that the spirit of Capitalism has perseverated these many centuries and it's still strong. Now it's threatened and they rejoice...Oh folly!



immigrant
excellent insight. There are obviously "walls" at Rev Wrong's church. And, NObama hid behind those for quite some time.

slacker writes:
"What matters is I haven't seen so many American flags waving in a foreign country since 9/11."
-----

Provided by - you guessed it - the Obama campaign.

IS THIS TRUE??
I didn't know until early this morning, that the 200,000 gathered in Berlin were NOT there to see Obama - they were lured there by a free
rock concert. I also just found out that Obama
refused the American Flag to be present
Did NObama really refuse to have the American Flag present???? Bet he wasn't wearing his lapel flag either.

slacker, you did not
see a single American flag anywhere near Obama, until he realized that it was politically expedient to wear one on his lapel.

Why do you give a d##mn about American flags in any foreign country, especially in Europe??

mrbmrb - tests?
What are you "talking" about??? I really couldn't follow your pattern of thinking...

and please don't go there...deeming me and my ability(ies) in order to try and make a point...

that is not the way to debate.



Eduardo
Eddie-Baby, if you don't like the country the "white protestant trash" founded, go back to the impoverished third world paradise of your forefathers. Your ignorance and bigotry are disgusting and unacceptable. The "white protestant trash" is the reason we have free public schools (so their children could learn to read the Bible and study for the ministry) and enjoy the freedoms we in this country have instead of thinking we can pay our way out of sin and confessing our sins to another human being. Get real! Get lost! And as Marie said, "GO HOME!" She's right...this is what open borders is doing to our country:a watering down of our sovereignty, a diluting and dumbing down of the citizenry, and loss of national culture (Including the ENGLISH LANGUAGE).

Part 2
Marie

"GO HOME

THIS IS WHAT OUR 'OPEN BORDERS' HAVE BROUGHT US"

Wrong, my family is from California, and has lived there since BEFORE it was ILLEGALLY TAKEN.

So, why don't you "GO HOME" to Europe?

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Primus54

"Huh?

Perhaps I am making an off-base assumption, but could "Eduardo" possibly be an immigrant of Latin descent?"

See my above statements on immigration.


"That's the only reason I can think of for someone to be so poorly aware of U.S. history.

Eduardo, "white protestants" didn't "join" this nation - they founded it, by and large.

Your comments are astoundingly ignorant."

Wrong, YOU are the immigrant, and you are of European(north/northwest I presume).

This country was founded by the founding fathers, not those who came along for the freedoms.

The war of independence was won by FRENCH TROOPS! And it was the elitist founding fathers who are to thank for that. Not the common protest colonist who detested the French.

My comments are ignorant?

And proclaiming the existence of a national-culture and -language in a country which has a social-contract guaranteeing the freedom to decide all aspects of ones life, including culture and language...

...what do you call that? Conservatism? HARDLY!

Germany’s Stern magazine

carried the headline "Barack Kant Saves the World."
One of their columnists, Florian Güssgen, wrote: "The man is perfect, impeccable, slick. Almost too slick … Obama's speech was often vague, sometimes banal and more reminiscent of John Lennon's feel good song 'Imagine' than of a foreign policy agenda."

Perhaps the most notable -- and reprehensible poor judgment of Obama, the man would would be, but isn't -- was Obama’s decision to cancel a visit to wounded American soldiers at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in southern Germany.

Any presidential candidate who has no time for our wounded military should be scorned totally.
Obama is a dissembling, self-centered, audacious runt. He and Michelle Evita Peron Obama are not only ridiculous, but dangerous socialists. Obama loves nothing but himself - and voters had better wake up!


not so closet marxist
It was a marxist speech by a history illiterate. He thinks he can wave his magic tongue and the world communist utopia will emerge.

The Soviets and Mao had a good go at it in the past century and the death toll was 100 million and immeasurable human misery (because not everyone wants to be a homogenized identical cog at a low standard of living like Obamessiah visualizes).

Remember, if he were not a novelty candidate passing for black, everyone would see this junior intellect for the empty gasbag he is. There is nothing to him but over-inflated ego and naked ambition.

In his forties he has not outgrown his marxist indoctrination by family and university, proving that the man is stupid.

There's no way around it. Anyone who denigrates the system that works, capitalism in a liberal democracy and wants to replace it with a system that has a 100% failure rate with genocidal loss of life is incredibly dumb.

Wasn't a good clue that he doesn't know how many states there are in the country he wants to lead? Talk about dumber than a fifth grader!

Matlock...
"Eddie-Baby, if you don't like the country the "white protestant trash" founded, go back to the impoverished third world paradise of your forefathers. Your ignorance and bigotry are disgusting and unacceptable. The "white protestant trash" is the reason we have free public schools (so their children could learn to read the Bible and study for the ministry) and enjoy the freedoms we in this country have instead of thinking we can pay our way out of sin and confessing our sins to another human being. Get real! Get lost! And as Marie said, "GO HOME!" She's right...this is what open borders is doing to our country:a watering down of our sovereignty, a diluting and dumbing down of the citizenry, and loss of national culture (Including the ENGLISH LANGUAGE)."

A) See my other comments on immigration

B) My "bigotry" is in being disgusted with ANYONE who would attempt to enforce language or religion as law, pro-constitution bigotry? Ok...

C) Public schools are merely a recognition of one of the need for certain socialist programs, schools, maintained roads, and many others. Christianity in schools was thought to be part of education, and got tagged along into this category. Obviously this was wrong, otherwise it would not have been removed from public school curriculum by your fellow christian.

D) Christianity's role in American history can be summed up as the source of right-violation which inspired the constitution(roman catholic-church)

E) All of my views on American history come from my history teachers( all of whom were WHITE and PROTESTANT).

***

I love letting my rage pour out into my comments, it brings extremist protestants out of the woodwork and, usually, makes them admit to their Highly unAmerican views.

Plus I get to vent the rage I've stored up watching you and your leftist counterparts destroy this country piece by piece.

Royinoslo #24: Is THAT why many, many

MANY Europeans have been on wait lists for visas to immigrate to the US???

And many happy to immigrate to Canada in order to get into the US more quickly???

Notice, there ISN'T a line up of Americans to move to Europe!

Eduardo: Pa-lease! All you need is

1. A lesson (or six lessons) in history.

2. Several session with a psychologist about Anger Management.

3. Perhaps some medication.

oh.. and....

4. Stop hanging around with La Raza... They're not nice people.



Agree with Brickhouse
This is the election year which will determine the future of our nation -whether we weather the storm or whether we are captured by false democratic-socialistic lies. Most Americans want to "feel good" about being an American and having all the blessings of freedom. Our privileges are so vast in comparison to all other nations!. If voters go to the polls on the basis of feelings and appearance, we will-like the Egyptians and Pharaoh- find out just how empty they are. We will receive what we worship- images that prompt responses but empty of truth and substance. Wake up, America. We must guard our heritage which has required sacrifice since its inception. Think- don't just respond by empty calls for "unity" and "change".

Das Messiah
Hussein Obama has written two books ' Dreams of my Father' and 'Audacity of Hope'. In the latter he writes ' I will stand with and beside the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction'. In 'Dreams of my Father' he writes ' I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity againgst my mother's race' . After 9/11 we as a nation deserve a wannabe who thinks in this vain. God help us if this charlatan gets into the White House.

Yellow Dogs
What is truly amazing is Yellow Dog attitudes.

I am 70+ and was raised in a time when the only way Texans voted was a straight Democratic ticket ("don't matter who you vote for as long as you vote Democratic").

I have talked with many dimmies - incl family members - who see BHO for what he is ... AND they are still voting the dimmie ticket.

Much like us GOPers, they say, depending on the VP candidate, they will either vote the ticket or stay home.

Marxist Obama should have had

a much bigger bump than 9 points...

9 points doesn't indicate that his dog and pony show accomplished much.

And, just to keep things in perspective, there have been many presidential candidates who were further ahead than 9 points in July, and LOST the election in Nov.


Take a deep breath
Star, doesn't it disturb you the least bit that so many people who agree with you are either narrow minded, bigoted, or morons?

Anne, European interest in living in the U.S. is demonstrably down, but remains fascinating to many thanks to Hollywood.

obama
The words of Obama as quoted in Bill's thoughts on him should be blazened on large billboards for all America to see as they travel. What he wrote in his books gives a more accurate picture of his real core being than all the pretty words said in a speech to get votes! Twenty years of associating with his "spiritual mentor" cannot be erased by a few flowery speeches that change with the wind!

Packrat - Date: Jul 28, 2008 - 7:21 AM
You missed it. German isn't his second language...it's British English. Didn't you catch the soundbites where he said, "Where can a bloke get some fish and chips?" And then there was, "I see it's starting to rain. Does anyone have a bumbershoot?"

A few comments
Well Eduardo, all I can say is if we had more of that "white Protestant trash," that "joined" this nation around today--we would be even better off! I am a Catholic, and I find your rant to be amusing, to say the least.

Also, yes, the French did help us win the Revolutionary War (the colonists did most of the heavy lifting, however). Trapping the Brits at Yorktown was their major contribution. By the way, we paid them back--not in kind, but with MUCH more sacrifice--in WWI and WWII.

I was also glad to see someone post about the American flags being waved by the Germans. There was a poster on another thread who insisted those Germans were all there to see Obama (they were not drawn by free entertainment and refreshments) as evidenced by those flags. I had to laugh. Can't you just see all those Germans going down to the local shopping area to snap up all of the little American flags. Give me a break! Try going to your local WalMart and finding German flags to wave in the event Angela Merkel is coming to a venue near you. I checked out my local shopping establishments this past weekend--not a foreign flag to be found.

When the left cannot even think critically about something that simple, we really are in trouble!

Moonbat Exterminator--thanks for the smile on this Monday morning!

OBAMA HITS A FOUL BALL


.....His syncophants in the media are trying to sell "OBAMA'S GREAT ADVENTURE" as a home run but what the public sees is that their suspicions have been confirmed that the press is in the tank ...this leaves a sour taste in the mouths of independents who don't like to be told what to do or who to vote for ...Obama's weak pathetic attempt to create a photo-op that would evoke memories of Reagan and JFK bombed badly as evidenced by his lack of a bump in the polls ...

.....The press is using Obama the same way they used McCain when he ran against Bush and in this years primaries ...and the same way they used the Clintons when they ran for the White House ...

.....How fast did the press turn on Hillary and abandon her to jump on the Obama bandwagon after he won Iowa? ...how fast did they thrown McCain under the bus after the Primaries? ...and they will turn on Obama too, when he no longer serves their purpose ...

.....The truth is that the press are for the most part Liberal/Socialists and they do not want to report the news ...they want to manipulate it ...they want a Democrat in the White House and that is the bottom line .....COLOSSUS

Eduardo

As a point of curiosity, when will you give California back to thr Native Americans that live there before you and your familily.

"your " property was lost by sale or by war, just like the native americans.

99 Days Left to Go....

The point is: conservative talk-radio hosts spent almost the entire week last week looking at the daily Gallup tracking polls then riduculing Obama for essentially having the same numbers as McCain.

All through Barack's itinerary - through Iraq and Israel and Jordan and England - Hannity kept needling Obama for not getting a "bump" in support, saying americans "don't care" how they are perceived overseas. Now that Obama is leading in the Gallup poll 49% to 40% (it takes a few days for some people for the idea of a President Obama to kick in), I'm sure Sean Hannity will completely ignore the poll and only use it again in the future if it suits his partisan purposes.


In the meantime, Obama is now poising himself to spend tens of millions of dollars on primetime television advertising. Whatever you guys say, he is running a well-honed, sharp and efficient political campaign (and he is not groaning and b*tching to every other news camera about his opponent - as McCain did all last week).

Cookie cutting
It is very irritating that Obama felt the need to campaign for US President over seas. We are a separate nation and like being a separate nation ... just as every other nation, and state, and city, and school, and family, and individual. There is nothing wrong with differences and separateness. It is not hateful. It is identity and freedom. Separate entities can love each other and still be very different.
Why do Democrats tend to want cookie cutter everything?

Royinoslo: Good rationalization!

But wrong....

The line to come TO the US is still MUCH, MUCH longer than the practically non-existent line to go to Europe...

In fact, most of the Americans living in Europe are there because their companies sent them...

Sorry, you lost this one too.



Royinoslo #64
"Obama represents to many of them the America they wish to have again-- much like JFK represented".

So if I get this right - they liked the fact that JFK allowed the Wall to get built and started the slide into Vietnam.

Oh, wait a minute - he gave a great speech.

What the MSM has not highlighted
is that young Berliners were tricked into attending the new messiah's appearance with the promise of a rock concert and free beer. So much for a fake messiah. The real one knew how to turn water into wine.

Anne

Do us all a favor and at least attempt to google information supporting your positions.


You have a nasty habit of posting bits of rumor and gossip you hear then trying to pass it off as fact.

New National Anthem Proposed
The libs, dummies, eduardos, and BHOs have proposed a new National Anthem.

Let's do away with America the Beautiful, Jose Can You See, etc etc. The new one is not so new, since it was first written and performed in the (I believe) the 1970s to advertise a popular "soft drink".

OK, altogether now - "I's like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony..."

Congratulations, Will
You have now posted twice with no mention of homosexuality.

Hey will: DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK!


You, and most of your demo-cretin friends have this nasty habit of always wanting someone else to do your work for you!


Just in case you didn't know

NO WAY, JFK DID NOT GIVE HIS SPEECH AT THE GATE.

Just as an example of how the press gorifies ObamBam. John F Kennedy never made a speech at the Brandenburg gate, never. He visited there, but he did not speak there.

But have you seen or heard anyone in the media ever correct that statement.

We have visited Berlin multiple times, and spent time visiting the then West Berlin City Hall. Rathaus Schöneberg was the seat of the West Berlin city government during the Cold War and is the location where John F. Kennedy made his famous Ich bin ein Berliner speech.



New National Anthem Proposed
The libs, dummies, eduardos, and BHOs have proposed a new National Anthem.

Let's do away with America the Beautiful, Jose Can You See, etc etc. The new one is not so new, since it was first written and performed in the (I believe) the 1970s to advertise a popular "soft drink".

OK, altogether now - "I's like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony..."

Royinoslo #79: Lost his argument!

LOST your argument (if that's what you want to call it) the minute you posted....

"..... people who agree with you are either narrow minded, bigoted, or morons?"



Obama's character and his policies,

both provide ample reason not to vote for Obama.

Mac
I have just one question in regards to Barry's quote - can you tell me what page that is on.

Anne. I agree with you. :-)
.

Eduardo
If indeed your history lessons were provided by white protestants - then one has to wonder if you were sleeping through class most of the time.

Perhaps you need to dust off your copy of the U.S. Constitution, assuming you own one.

Within it, you will find a congressional prohibition on establishing a national religion - but you will not find any such prohibition on establishing a national language - which I would wholeheartedly support.

You say your family has ties to California preceding its establishment as a U.S. territory - yet your current location is Texas. I assume you also don't recognize Texas as a legitimate U.S. possession?

I've got a suggestion which would resolve your issues - get in your car and head south until you cross the U.S. - Mexico border. There you will find millions of Roman Catholics who speak Spanish.

Slacker - Speech doesn't matter.
I seem to remember Obama telling Hillary words do matter.

And maybe they were waving American flags to remind Obama what wearing the flag means.

Slacker - Speech doesn't matter.
I seem to remember Obama telling Hillary words do matter.

And maybe they were waving American flags to remind Obama what wearing the flag means.

Well...Obama goes overseas
At the insistence of McCain, who then gripes about the press Obama receives. And exactly what country was McCain in on the 4th of July holiday? Yes, that's what I thought.

Finally, I get the feeling that McCain is only a bit actor in the presidential drama playing out here. I never hear anyone in this conservative site extolling the virtues of their candidate. Whether one finds Obama a lightning rod for criticism or deserving of support, the sad part is McCain generates little fervor even from those who dislike Obama. And that's why - as unpleasant as this is to hear - McCain is going down.

primus54
Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

***

Of course the US supreme court agreed with me when it ruled on the issue.

Thank god, I don't like German!

***

Ill never go there.

Spanish, and Christianity, is for those who are subservient to Spain. Mexicans use both, and as such are honoring a culture which committed heinous crimes against them.

***

Also, I'm pretty sure Spanish is the national language. Seems they REALLY like Euro-Christian culture, since they've taken up the part where you tell others what to do with themselves.

Just a Note!
Yes indeed, those many American Flags were provided by the Obama campaign organization. The really funny thing is, that upon close inspection one would find that these small, handheld flags were manufactured in China. This is not a knock against the Obama campaign, since there is nowhere they could find that many small flags that would have been manufactured in the USA. Just a little commentary on "globalization" and the vanishing USA manufacturing base.

Primus
Obama is no Messiah. He is a politician. He does not claim to speak for God or to have been chosen by god to be President. That sounds like W. He is also not the antichrist as some posters have suggested. I do think he has the potential to be a good President, certainly better than the Frat boy that conservatives enbraced without looking very closely and who they have defended even as the rest of the country moved on.

As to John McCain, tell me Primus can you name three things that John McCain has accomplished in his 26 years in the senate? NAme three pieces of legislation that McCain sponsored that you like and agree with.


Dottie
The revolutionary war was fought around the world. Between France and Britain. In numbers that

absolutely dwarf those present in colonial America. You can attempt to upscale the importance of

the colonists fight all you want. History tells a different story, one of a losing colonist

army/militia. An army which was losing badly despite facing only a fraction of the British army.

An army which was saved from peril by the French army.

You DID NOT pay them back in WW2. WW2 was fought AROUND THE WORLD, for the freedom OF THE WORLD!

Anne
1) No, I don't, but you clearly you do.

2) No need, I don't have any anger management issues, just a lifetime of rage towards pious

traitorous filth like you.

3) Nah, just an end to

4) "la Raza" is Spanish, I do not acknowledge Spanish or any other European culture, language, or

religion which is forced upon me. And I will kill whomever attempts to force any of those things

on me.

Also, Native Americans are incredibly nice. They follow the Mongolian philosophy; "Always return

the gift you receive". So when you say they aren't nice, you're admitting to having wronged them

in some way.

Anne
1) No, I don't, but you clearly you do.

2) No need, I don't have any anger management issues, just a lifetime of rage towards pious traitorous filth like you.

3) Nah, just an end to the treason.

4) "la Raza" is Spanish, I do not acknowledge Spanish or any other European culture, language, or religion which is forced upon me. And I will kill whomever attempts to force any of those things on me.

Also, Native Americans are incredibly nice. They follow the Mongolian philosophy; "Always return the gift you receive". So when you say they aren't nice, you're admitting to having wronged them in some way.

Enough Already!
Yep thats what we need - fervor.
We should elect a President with fervor. Lets see now:
Hitler had fervor. Saladin had fervor. Idi Amin had fervor. The whirling deverishes had fervor. Alice Cooper has fervor. A break dancer has fervor.
Yes, fervor that'll do it !!

Packrat
Oh my god!

You're totally right...

..my people marched themselves into what would become California.

Then we built a massive colony with huge road systems and churches for gods that we didn't believe in.

All for SPANISH white Christians, without them having to ask, not to mention point guns at our backs or anything...

Then they let go and became a free sovereign nation. A nation where people fled from corrupt Mexico.

And after that, we asked their(the Spaniards') European neighbors to the north(Anglo/Nordics/others) to come in and murder, rape, and steal from us.

But not in order to survive, like we had done for survival prior to the arrival of Europeans. Nah, we asked them to do it just so they could get rich off our death and suffering.

THNX GUY!

/end sarcasm

Flags
Imagine that your President is coming to your small town in the mid-west, but you cannot attend the rally because it is invitation only, and then if you happened to get an invitation you are stopped at the entrance by a goon squad because some thing on your tie shift might indicate that you might be critical of your president on one issue.

That's message management. And where were your objections Primus when that happened?

Hey, Motley Crue ...
Good One!

Obomanation
France had its own Obamatin the mid 1800s....Georges Ernest Boulanger. Unlike the emty headed Obama, he had a few cresdentials, but was just as vapid.

crowd was how big?
Anyone else out there see the article on the German estimate of the crowd for Barry's speach? They estimated 20,000....NOT 200,000

BHO & the blind who follow
A page from C.G. Jung (The undiscovered self)
All mass movements, as one might expect, slip with the greatest of ease down an inclined plane made up of large numbers. Where the many are, there is security; what the many believe must of course be true; what the many want must be worth striving for, and necessary, and therefore good. In the clamour of the many resides the power to snatch wish-fulfilments by force; sweetest of all, however, is that gentle and painless slipping back into the kingdom of childhood, into the paradise of parental care, into happy-go-luckiness and irresponsibility. All the thinking and looking after are done from the top; to all questions there is an answer, and for all needs the necessary provision is made. The infantile dream-state of the mass man is so unrealistic that he never thinks to ask who is paying for this paradise. The balancing of accounts is left to a higher political or social authority, which welcomes the task, for its power is thereby increased; and the more power it has, the weaker and more helpless the individual becomes.
Whenever social conditions of this type develop on a large scale, the road to tyranny lies open and the freedom of the individual turns into spiritual and physical slavery.

Eduardo. Re your post 1:18PM.
That was sarcasm? Sorry, but it came across as totally deluded paranoia.

Oh Eduardo...
That is some serious revisionist history you have there.

First off California, Texas, and New Mexico were purchased. Secondly, Mexico picked fights they couldn't win. Third and foremost, you seem to forget that the Mexicans living here in California overwhelmingly voted for statehood. Perhaps you should study the treaties signed and some personal diaries for a good running start. I recommend you lay off of the dope first since you have obviously killed a lot of brain cells.

Last of all if Central and South America are so wonderful what are you doing here? We all know. Do you? You are benefiting from the hard work Americans have done to make this country great and defecating in your own bed in the process.

dearest anne
back on you meds again i see. good for you
those 9 points you so cavalierly talk about translate into about 9.000,000 vogers. eniough to queak by by the biggest margin in many a year. plase do not bother to reply. ive already wread my allotment of one of t=your thrad a day ,. my stomacn has limits.

Why not do it again?

Eduardo Location: TX
Reply # 111
Date: Jul 28, 2008 - 1:18 PM EST
Subject: Packrat
Oh my god!

You're totally right...

..my people marched themselves into what would become California.

Then we built a massive colony with huge road systems and churches … … …

---

So why can't you fix up the sewer and garbage heap that is just beow that muddy stream, on the Texas border?

I have not heard of any US law that makes it difficult to head south, so go, all of you!!!


Poor Eduoardo
You are pathetic! Your grasp (well actually lack there of) of US History is appalling! We won in our struggle for independence, and for some reason that galls you. Maybe it is because Mexico is such a mess--and you wish the US was too.

We won, Eduardo. The French played a part to be sure, but you are overstating their importance. As for your denial that we paid them back in TWO World Wars...well, that just goes to show you need to study your history. They were in a terrible stalemate in WWI, and Hitler had easily taken them over in WWII (remember D-Day...we lost how many? I would wager more than the Frenchies lost in our Revolution)...remember our drive to liberate them?

If you hold the US in such contempt, why don't you return to Mexico? We do not need people here who are so woefully ignorant of our greatness!

JMO51 post 106
JMO, writes" I do think he has the potential to be a good President, certainly better than the Frat boy that conservatives enbraced without looking very closely and who they have defended even as the rest of the country moved on." and then goes on about McCain.

Well, JMO, the thing is that many who voted for(not embraced) Bush, did so because he seemed the lesser of two evils. This time around, we are stuck with what seem to be even worse evils.

The reason why I, while holding my nose and calling for the puke bucket, will vote for McCain is not because I like the man, I detest him, but because Obama already told us what his CHANGE embraces. He said that he will drastically raise taxes, wants us to live more uncomfortably (lower the thermostats in winter and raise in summer), get out of the cars of our choice and will call for a domestic "force" as big as the military, to be drafted into service.

Now why would anyone vote for that?
Especially, why would so many people on handouts vote for that? Do they think only the taxpaying, productive people will be punished by Obama's change? Or maybe that is the plan - make us all equal to the lowest common denominator.

wom65 66
if and when i feel you deserve proper english you will get it.

Neo-cons are destroying the middle class

Star unfairly pans the Berlin speech by criticizing the ambiguity of the "walls cannot stand metaphor."

While Obama didn't elaborate on the implications of this admonition, it's quite a stretch for Star to conclude that such language implies a "tearing down of all lines of distinction between nations and religion." No reasonable person, or apologist for any mainstream political ideology, advocates such a utopian vision.

Star slams the speech by saying that "Politicians with agendas to 'unify'--who think they know who and what everyone should beleive--are invariably those who threaten freedom." Ironically, this denuciation is more apropos of our intervention in Iraq, and our misguided efforts to unite that country's warring factions.

Many obervers now fear the expansion of Iranian hegomony as the most likely end game scenario. In that event, our invasion and occupation of Iraq--though conducted with the best of intentions--will have done more to threaten freedom than keeping Saddam's murderous regime in power as a check against Iran's regional ambitions.

For such irrational idealism by the Bush Administration, the middle class will be paying dearly as war debt mounts, and safety nets begin to unravel under the weight of Neo-con austerity measures.

mrbmrb writes:
"dearest anne back on you meds again i see. good for you those 9 points you so cavalierly talk about translate into about 9.000,000 vogers. eniough to queak by by the biggest margin in many a year. plase do not bother to reply. ive already wread my allotment of one of t=your thrad a day ,. my stomacn has limits."
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Your stomach is the least of your problems.

Eduardo...
You are one messed up child. Lemmeesee...

You follow a Mongolian philosophy? Yes, I can see how those Mongols have flourished through the centuries, you know, caribou milk, animal- hide tents and all. And their Nobel Prize winners for science! Whew! Give others a chance you smarty-pants Mongols!

And you posted that you'd "kill" anyone who tried to force their values on you. Ain't you the tough guy! The Dems are hard at work engineering society so I imagine you're getting ready to lock and load on those miscreants. They have a plan for everyone but themselves on how to live, what to eat, and what we're allowed to produce. Get your bullets ready, Eduardo.

And the "stolen" land of Mexifornia. You already have it, Homie! Your people are gunning down hundreds on the streets of L.A. alone, and the city daddies and mommas area making excuses for you as fast as each body hits the pavement! I know what you're going to say; they wouldn't if the U.S. goverment would only give them more free stuff.

Mexico is a parasitic, third world failed country, but like a cancer, you want to spread that culture. After completely fouling up Mexifornia, will you be crawling across state boundaries trying to get into (temporarily) free America? What will you complain about then?

You're just a little blind boy, Eduardo, in need of burping along with some serious medication.

Ne-cons are destroying the middle class
Star unfairly pans the Berlin speech by criticizing the ambiguity of the "walls cannot stand metaphor."

While Obama didn't elaborate on the implications of this admonition, it's quite a stretch for Star to conclude that such language implies a "tearing down of all lines of distinction between nations and religion." No reasonable person, or apologist for any mainstream political ideology, advocates such a utopian vision.

Star slams the speech by saying that "Politicians with agendas to 'unify'--who think they know who and what everyone should believe--are invariably those who threaten freedom." Ironically, this denunciation is more apropos of our intervention in Iraq, and our misguided efforts to unite that country's warring factions.

Many observers now fear the expansion of Iranian hegemony as the most likely end game scenario. In that event, our invasion and occupation of Iraq--though conducted with the best of intentions--will have done more to threaten freedom than keeping Saddam's murderous regime in power as a check against Iran's regional ambitions.

Eduardo


And what is your interpretation of Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana, who invited colonies to be started and then changed the rules?


JMO51
You must have me confused with a McCain supporter - which I am not.

But since you asked for THREE McCain Senate accomplishments - I'll make you a deal.

When you can come up with just ONE for Obama, I'll spend some time giving McCain's some thought.

Obama could be caught red-handed with $1 million in campaign contributions in his home freezer, next to a pound of cocaine concealed in a hollowed-out Koran, and be the father of a half-dozen illegitimate "love" children - and people like you would still vote for him.

You dance to the tune of your Pied Piper.

Neo-cons are destroying the middle class
Star unfairly pans the Berlin speech by criticizing the ambiguity of the "walls cannot stand” metaphor.

While Obama didn't elaborate on the implications of this admonition, it's quite a stretch for Star to conclude that such language implies a "tearing down of all lines of distinction between nations and religion." No reasonable person, or apologist for any mainstream political ideology, advocates such a utopian vision.

Star slams the speech by saying that "Politicians with agendas to 'unify'--who think they know who and what everyone should believe--are invariably those who threaten freedom." Ironically, this denunciation is more apropos of our intervention in Iraq, and our misguided efforts to unite that country's warring factions.

Many observers now fear the expansion of Iranian hegemony as the most likely end game scenario. In that event, our invasion and occupation of Iraq--though conducted with the best of intentions--will have done more to threaten freedom than keeping Saddam's murderous regime in power as a check against Iran's regional ambitions.

For such irrational idealism by the Bush Administration, the middle class will be paying dearly as war debt mounts, and safety nets begin to unravel under the weight of Neo-con austerity measures.

mrbmrb, what are you on?
mrbmrb, looking at your spelling, Ann might be on her meds, but what are you on? Been hitting the sauce pretty good, ha? Is it time to retire for the day?

mrbmrb
Location: MN

Reply # 119
Date: Jul 28, 2008 - 1:49 PM EST Subject: dearest anne
back on you meds again i see. good for you
those 9 points you so cavalierly talk about translate into about 9.000,000 vogers. eniough to queak by by the biggest margin in many a year. plase do not bother to reply. ive already wread my allotment of one of t=your thrad a day ,. my stomacn has limits.

mrbmrb writes to "wom65 66" (sic):
"if and when i feel you deserve proper english you will get it."
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Perhaps so - but not from "mrbmrb".

He's incapable.

To mrbmrb. jdlslm selelosnljmoenmen;n;
And furthermore, ak.djoujlkjal;nmn nvoe nl.;ll;ll. So there.

Primus
2:09 post---Hysterically funny!!!!!!!!!

Obama To World - America Bad, Me Good
Obama sure has a strange way of showing his love of America. Normally, your loved ones do not go to the neigbors to talk bad about you.

Some city...
in the U.S. (missed the name), was allegedly considering banning fast food restaurants because they are good for people. I heard mention of it this weekend but was unable to find anything about it...has anyone heard this? Talk about government control! Even Beijing has a McDonalds!

oops...
because they "aren't" good for people...sheesh...keyboard must have made that mistake! :-)

Edwardo

Eduardo commands: "Wrong, my family is from California, and has lived there since BEFORE it was ILLEGALLY TAKEN. So, why don't you "GO HOME" to Europe."

Unless you're a "Native American," by your own standards, you don't belong here any more than the white protestants you hate so much. The Spanish (and Portugal) ripped off Central America long before the white protestants did - taking land from the Indians and establishing the territory for Spain. Mexico declared its independance from Spain in 1821 (The Mexican War of Independance) and in 1846, The Bear Flag Revolt brought California Independance from Mexico. That same year, The United States ripped the California territory off from the newly formed California Republic as a result of the Mexican-American War.

Can you explain to me how Spain, Mexico or Portugal have any more "right" to Califonia than the USA? Seems to me that by your standards everyone but Native Americans should "go home," and even then there were over 70 tribes who, over the years, fought each other for the land.

Good point,
MacMoore...learned that when I was very young and it has served me well...my sibs and I may have "pounded" each other, but no one else was ever allowed to!

compos--locos
How liberal of you, to twist the truth. When in fact it is the democrats and their obstructionist policies and socialist agenda that is destroying the middle class. Their incessant tax increases. Their obstructionist policies against becoming energy independent. Their chronic desire to regulate everyone and everything. Their hatred of our armed forces and desire for those forces to loose just about every conflict we're in, is so palpable you can touch it. Their control of the media and it's 24/7 propaganda.

Belong here?
Is this a couple of kids in a school yard?


Eduardo
Eddie-Baby, you slipped and gave yourself away in your post to Dottie about WWII. You said "YOU" did not pay them back instead of "WE", which tells us that you are not one of us (whose family goes way back in California's history) but a newcomer (illegal?) just as we surmised! Furthermore, your total lack of knowledge in regard to American history and floundering around to express yourself (as well as your anger) would indicate that you are a teenager trying to find or amuse yourself. At least you've come to the right place. If, on the other hand you are an adult, Anne is right. You need help because you are refusing to face the truth. And La Raza is the traitorous filth, not Anne. They are divisive, exploit and prevaricate.

Iran Marches To Its Own Tune
Compos-mentis offers, "Many observers now fear the expansion of Iranian hegemony as the most likely end game scenario. In that event, our invasion and occupation of Iraq .... will have done more to threaten freedom than keeping Saddam's murderous regime in power as a check against Iran's regional ambitions."

Nonsense.

Iraq was too busy on a collision course with the world than to be a bother to Iran, long before we entered Iraq. Try not to re-write history to your liking. That way, you become a bit more beleivable.


Unsure
I'm not sure, but I think the librarian must have come along and kicked Eduardo off the computers.

I had my 14-year-old daughter read his posts, and she was incensed! She suggested he buy and read a decent history book!

Robin
That city is South Los Angeles and the SF Bay Area cities are following suit, some already have such Rohnert Park.

Apparently people no longer have the freedom to eat what they want either. What I find ironic is no one can eat, drink or smoke what they want under the guise of health care costs but now health benefits must be given to gays. Yet gays have a lower overall life span, higher rate of drug, alcohol, violence and STD's. So what does that do for health care costs?

And what is the "one" language I. . .
. . .hear from coast-to-coast? Certainly, English is on the list. . .I'm wondering if anyone speculates there may be others?

Listen up, people
"We need people to be as INFORMED as possible by November, and we need to come out in record numbers to be CERTAIN the electoral college fully understands "the will of the people." We can't chance this one folks."

I cannot emphasize this more! We must get out the vote; remember, a vote for John McCain is a vote for torture, and more government waste on a scale only Dubya could take pleasure in.


Which is the real Obama?
Obama and his paternal first cousin Odinga, wanted to bring the whole of Kenya under Sharia law.

Obama campaigned for Odinga in August of 2006, just before he filed with the US Federal Elections Commission for his presidential candidacy.
The idea was simply to have the Luo tribe, mostly Muslims, to take over Kenya from the inheritors of colonial power, the Kikuyu, and bring the country under Sharia law, kick out the Western investors in the nation that had made it one of the most stable nations in Africa, and supplant those Western investors with wealthy Arab oil money. It all failed. Then Odinga yelled (election fraud), and put his Luo Islam fascists into the streets of Nairobi to “protest” by murdering, raping and maiming Kikuyu people, including the recent (burning alive of a church full of Christians).[2]
If Obama and Odinga had succeeded, the next step in the plan would be for president Obama to help Odinga consolidate his power over Kenya by international recognition and trade. That will NOT happen. Obama wanted to expand Islam fascism, and annex Kenya to Somalia and the Sudan in an Islam fascist axis.
This puts both Obama and Odinga right up there in a pantheon with Idi Amin. Obama hates America, and the basis for America’s wealth. His actions show this.

According to (documents obtained) by Kenyan officials, Obama's cousin (Odinga promised Shania law) in Kenya if elected.[3]
That probably will not play too well with the Obama campaign on "Change" here at home.

2.http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/290390
3.http://eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8

The confusion by & about Eduardo.

Eduardo:

You are a very confusing person. Could it be that you are carrying a heavy load of confusion.??.

You say things that sound like you are defending Catholics against the big bad Protestants, and then you say you are not Catholic and don't even respect those who are since they are only glorifying Spanish conquest.

You don't say how nor when your ancestors entered California to take up residence, but seem to imply that they were of Mexican origin, and then you tear down Mexico and Mexicans.

The roads built there and the haciendas and small cities like Los Angeles, San Diego, Santa Barbara and San Francisco were originally built by Mexicans; so you're not of their origin, Eduardo.??.

What and who are you.??.

Your comments run the gamut from offensive to some to unflattering for others and most of all they surely confuse those who read them.

Where there is smoke there is fire. Where there is such extreme confusion there is a confused person.

Sí el río suena, piedras trae.
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Bob C wrote accurately, to a point....
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Your post to Eduardo was basically accurate less the part about Portugal which stayed in South America, not Central America and certainly not North America other than participating strongly, along with the Dutch, in the slave trade of the day.

Other than that you wrote very well and very accurately.

And yes, Eduardo, upon reflection, does appear to be an immature teenager, or worse an immature adult dangerous to himself and possibly others.
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Bob at 1:14...
Then how about matching the intensity of the vitriol against Obama with equally fervent support of McCain? OK, fervor doesn't suit you? Try giving some good reasons why conservatives support McCain that do not involve the lesser of 2 evils approach.

mrbmrb
it is really pathetic raading these right wing columnists and those who write threads agreeing with them and tv ers trying to find something, snything that they can legitimatedly criticize in obamas speech. it seem that if it didnt start ww3 or end the war against terrorism it was a dudor at least they will do their best to make it so. . theyve been= silly before on many occasions but this collective attept takes the cake. you need to hire someont to invent a stupid meter and suject all your columns to it. few would fail but certainly this one would.

At least he spelled cake correctly.


Kumbayah - Conservatives hate that
Better "Kumbaya" than "killyaall".

Enough Already
McCin = Win
Obama = Retreat

Bob
Sorry McCain for the omission

Subject: Kumbayah - Conservatives hate
Subject: Kumbayah - Conservatives hate that
Better "Kumbaya" than "killyaall".

Your "Kumbaya" will kill us.

Berlin speech
John F Kenedy - Ich bin ein Berliner
Ronald Reagan - Ich bin ein American
Barry the Boob - Ich bin ein Wiennie
'nuff said

Enough already
And that's why - as unpleasant as this is to hear - McCain is going down.

Will would you like to respond to that last part?

Derek: YUP! :-) Spot on!
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Neo-cons are destroying the middle class
On 7/28 2:44pm, catscratchfever opines: "How liberal of you, to twist the truth. When in fact it is the democrats and their obstructionist policies and socialist agenda that is destroying the middle class. Their incessant tax increases."

While neo-cons ultimately wish to prevent the US from being overrun by radical Islam, we can take solace in the fact that such hyperbolic fears are not shared by the electorate.

Fanatics like Mac Moore and catscratchfever have had five years since the invasion of Iraq to persuade the voters that continued military intervention is vital to preserving our security interests.

These zeolots must eventually concede that neo-con marketing efforts have failed, and that our country remains divided. Polls indicate that most people believe the war has gone horribly wrong.

Cont.

Neo-cons are destroying the middle class
Unfortunately, neo-con war planners are spending one billion every three days, with war debt now tabulated in the trillions. Unless defeated, they'll come dangerouly close to bankrupting the middle class.

This open ended expense account to prosecute the war far surpasses anything the Democrats conceivably might impose to finance their own entitlement programs

Mac Moore's demand for total sacrifice to ward off surrender might be justified if his fears actually materialized, and Taliban forces were massed on our borders, poised to strike at the American heartland.

This Fall, the electorate will decide whether we've been paying for legitimate defense needs, or if we should continue underwriting this sort of neo-con paranoia.

Neo-cons are destroying the middle class
Meanwhile, more of us are losing our homes, jobs, healthcare, savings and credit because of bankruptcy and and other financial stresses exacerbated by the exhorbitant cost of the war effort.

As for me, I'm afraid of losing my home beucause of Republican-sponsored penalities recently attached to Medicaid qualification requirements. As the GOP continues to rob the middle class of their shrinking resources, that threat is more real than any paranoid vision from Mac Moore's or catscratchfever's perverted fantasy life.

Let's stop destroying our inheritance, because we'll have nothing to pass along to future generations.

ALL: We're still trying to figure out

what's wrong with mrbmrb.

In addition to the fact that his TH account is a bogus account... ie: fake email address, etc., we all know that he's yet to post a comment that is the least bit coherent, much less anything with any substance.

Any rational, thinking person would be too embarrassed to continue posting as he does.. (sounds a bit like "Robert", doesn't he?)

mrb is just one of those arrogant, sub-standard folks who should be on the "scroll by" list.

How about this, mrb, If and when WE feel your pots deserve to be read, we'll read them?

Obama
I guess i misunderstood a news flash the other day. They cleared out an airport , i think in S.F because ( i thought ) Obama was there.

Turned out to be an empty suit -case

Dunkin
You said, "a vote for McCain is a vote for torture, and more government waste..."

No, a vote for Obama is a vote for torturing babies. No torture is worse than the barbaric act of a mother having her innocent baby chemically burn and his/her limbs and body pulled apart; or the baby's brains sucked out as in partial birth abortion.

We don't come close to doing anything like that to our enemies. They get off easy, and they know that given the chance, they would behead any of us in a second. You don't need to tickle the feet of hardened terrorists.

Apparently you haven't been listening to Obama's proposals. He wants to give $47,000,000? to ILLEGAL ALIENS and his other gimmie programs.

I believe that Obama would sit with our enemies and sell us out. He said in his book, "Audacity of Hope", that he would take sides with the muslims if the wind changed.

Bostguy 112at 4:50
To clarify, McCain is going down to defeat in the November presidential election. Of course, in re-reading this article, it occurs to me that Ms. Parker's entire premise is that Obama seeks to "tear down all distinctions" between nationalities rather than address why these distinctions lead to conflict. Because distinctions in and of themselves are not bad - but the distrust which seems too often to accompany such distinctions is a concern.

And saying "we've made a lot of mistakes"? If it isn't true, then those who hear it can simply dismiss Obama as a liar. If it is...then whether he says it or not does not erase any mistakes that were made.

Is America the greatest country on earth? Yes!! And has America made mistakes? Yes. Do we eventually get it right? Yes. But only because someone points out - usually at great personal risk - where we have erred. Those who extol our virtues while ignoring our shortcomings are just as bad as those who trumpet our shortcomings while ignoring what's good about America. And neither one of these groups make America better.

compos locos
If you have Medicaid, you are not middle class. You are dependent on the middle class to pay your healthcare. If you have a problem with the mortgage crisis, look back to your idol bubbba Bill Clinton as he signed the bill that was in large part responsible for helping set the "crisis" up. If you will provide me with an email address, I will send you a 13 page document I have compiled on Radical Islamofascist worldwide attacks in the last 40 years. I stopped counting after Bhutto was assassinated.

..........
Very good article. I particularly liked this excerpt.........

"It may come as a surprise to Obama, but for Christians, for Muslims, and for Jews, their differences do not amount to barriers to a better world but sources of meaning that define themselves and the world.

They want to be Christians, Muslims, and Jews. They just want protection. They want to be able to be who they are and live peacefully and securely. Those disturbing this security are the problem. Not the differences."


Neo-cons are destroying the middle class

Townhall bloggers like catscratchfever take sport in deriding "Free lunch" liberals for residing in a fool's paradise, but consider yourself forewarned if you're a patriotic, conservative like me:

We're all going to pay dearly--and eventually, at near confiscatory levels, as I'm just beginning to discover personally--for the war against terrorism. We're going to be taxed in ways you probably can't even imagine because of GOP austerity measures that have been passed by the Congress and signed by the President. I'd like share my predicament because it may soon be yours.

If you're thinking about how a grandparent can help their children or grandchildren out financially—e.g., defraying college expenses or inheriting any property--think again! Bush and the GOP Congress in 2006 reworked the Medicaid rules that now disqualify you for Medicaid assistance if you’re elderly and have given any money away in the last five years. Previously, they only looked back THREE years, and the family was financially responsible on a limited basis—if at all—depending on the amount of the gift. Now, if grandma gave money in the last FIVE years to a child in college, she’s automatically disqualified for State assistance. Your State’s Medicaid office will send your grandchild a bill seeking to recover that amount before grandma gets help. Nice, huh!

Cont.

Neo-cons are destroying the middle class
My mom is 86, and I’ll be living with her until she passes away. She wants to live in her house as long as possible. But she transferred the home to my name last year because she can no longer reliably pay her bills, and I’m committed to caring for her until she dies. She doesn’t have Long Term Care (most people her age don’t), and she lives on Social Security with less than $10,000 in the bank.

Under the old rules, if she lived in her home another two years before a catastrophic stroke or fall requiring nursing home care, the State would provide for that, and let me retain ownership. Under the new rules, Medicaid can confiscate the entire house at any time in the next 4 years, and no credit is given for how long the home was in my name (thereby reducing my liability).

The old rules struck a balance between State assistance and the family’s responsibility. The revised law is substantially more punitive, and unless a family is lucky or rich, they will eventually face new taxes in the tens of thousands, if not more, when elderly parents face a crisis.

Neo-cons are destroying the middle class
Were I to lose the home (as someone of modest means), it would represent a confiscatory “tax” on me personally by Republican lawmakers that far surpasses anything the Democrats conceivably might impose to finance their own entitlement programs.

You can read more about this law—called the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 (a misnomer if there ever was one)—by doing an Internet search or speaking to an Elder Law attorney. An interesting piece of trivia about this measure is that VP Cheney had to return to Washington DC from Afghanistan to cast the deciding vote in the Senate to secure passage.

Could you imagine how that conversation might have gone down? No more bribing the locals and paying off the contractors, Dickie, unless you help us stiff the old folks back home! President Bush subsequently signed this bill into law February 2006.

By the way, if you’re MARRIED and your spouse needs nursing home care, State Medicaid agencies will cover the cost, and let the so-called healthy “community” spouse retain ownership and up to $100,000 (amount varies by State). Lawmakers kept that exemption intact. But some observers expect Medicaid to eventually go after spouses and other relatives as spending on the war deprives the middle class of domestic resources and safety nets to keep them financially afloat.

Obama in Berlin
How many people know that there were two large free rock concerts just before his speech? No wonder there was a large crowd hanging around.

Thanks, Lolo1...
I appreciate the information on the fast food ban...I was sure I had heard that correctly but couldn't find it. I am continually amazed by the things Californians allow your state to do to you...however, I guess Washington and Oregon are in a big hurry to follow suit...at least Seattle and Portland anyway. This kind of thing goes right along with Obama's speech about how we expect other countries to like us when we think we can drive whatever we want (including SUV's) and eat whatever we want (fast food maybe?), etc. Personally, I don't give a hoot if other countries like us or not. I rather like being able to eat what I want and drive what I want and keep my house as warm and/or cool as I want. Don't plan to give that up any time soon, either.

Citizen barry
Is Obama a citizen ??

That popped up about a month or so ago then disappeared.

Neo-cons are destroying the middle class
Conservatives are in for a shock when their own aging parents face a medical crisis. It’ll be their turn to learn that wars impose a terrible financial burden, particularly on the middle class; that patriotism isn’t worth a dime when you’re facing the loss of everything you’ve worked for; and that “tax and spend” neo-cons are no more entitled to “free lunches” than their liberal alter egos.

P.S. Medicaid, Fannie Mae and Freedie Mac, food and drug regulations, workplace safety laws and other programs that protect and assist people of modest means (as well as those in higher income brackets) have enjoyed the support of liberals and conservatives alike. Strict libertarians would argue that safety nets created by government are forms of socialized risk that a truly free market would not produce. But most bloggers on this site aren't libertarians.

Conservatives who endorse interventionism abroad embrace socialized risk. Let's not abandon domestic programs like Medicaid provisions for the elderly that benefit the overwhelming majority of Americans. They are vital to the well being of middle class conservatives and liberals alike. In the mixed economy, our well being depends on individual self reliance AND some degree of socialized risk.

Don't cut off your nose despite your face.

No ban
There is no fast food ban in Ca.

Compos_mentis
I don't know what the laws are covering residences, but it seems you could very well argue that the house is rightfully yours by reason of earned wages. I realize, of course, that like most of us you would look after your parents regardless of circumstances. But in the likelihood of having to defend your property against confiscation, it could be that a jury might be sympathetic would you decide to fight it. Of course, it would be prudent to seek legal advice well in advance, so that you're prepared.

One more thing. If you think there is nothing further that the democrats could do to tax us, look up Obama's Global Poverty Initiative. That should make you cringe with horror.

Well, this was a good day!!!!

eduardo called me "filth" and mrbmrb called me, "w59$&w2erb!"


I don't know about anybody else, but I think this was pretty darn good, especially since I was only on the thread for a few minutes now and then throughout the day!




Wait! I THINK mrbmrb called me
"w59$&w2erb!"

With mrb's posts, it's difficult to tell exactly what he drools....

I do hope he's happy with his comments, since we won't be reading any more of them until WE decide he deserves to be read. And, that could be a long, long, long time... Perhaps NEVER! :-)



The speech
I liked the cartoon that shows Obama saying:

Ich bin ein Bull Slinger !!


Anne. LOL :-)
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Response to Motley Crue

I'll take care of mom until she dies, or a medical catastrophy like a severe stroke disables her so that I'm not able to care for her.

Under the old rules, the State would look at when the house title was transferred. Let's say a year was left to fulfill that 3-year lookback period. My financial obligation would be, at most $70,000 to cover her expenses in a nursing home. After that, Medicaid would kick in. The old rules stuck a balance between private pay and public assistance.

Under the new GOP-sponsored rules, the penalty is reworked so that no credit is given for the period from when the title was transferred, to the point at which my mom would need to enter a nursing home. Medicaid can seize the home and keep all the proceeds from the sale.

One of the biggest contributors to the growth of the middle class has been the passing along of even a modest inheritance from generation to generation. The GOP is tearing away at this vital safety net. By virtually eliminating this public assistance component for many families taking care of elderly relatives, Congress and the President dismantled an important safeguard that helps to keep the family homes in the family.

Unlike the Global Poverty initiative you spoke about, Medicaid assistance for the elderly is one program that will help ALL families at some point. That program is now being gutted to support the war effort. If I lose the house, that's one hell of a big tax I'll be paying. Dem tax hikes won't come close to matching that loss.

More BS from B.O.
It is nice to see so many people that see through the BS of the B(ody)O(dor)
I may not agree with McCaain, but ANYTHING is better than this BS artist.

As bad as Obama is....
He looks good next to McCain, they have similar voting records, both are OK with George Soros, the Mexican mafia and Nancy Pelosi.


Smitty: You ARE JOKING, right????
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Compos_mentis. I make no excuses
for the Bush administration, even though I voted for him twice. I've been disappointed on many levels since then. But if you think Dem tax hikes won't effect you, then let me offer the following for your consideration.

S. 2433 and H.R. 1302, the "Global Poverty Act" makes VERY high levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations, and imposes a GLOBAL TAX on American citizens, surrending our sovereignty to the UN.

This legislation would require the President "to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, (primarily African) and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day."

Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.'s "Millennium Project," says that the U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP in increased foreign aid spending would add $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already spends. Over a 13-year period, from 2002, when the U.N.'s Financing for Development conference was held, to the target year of 2015, when the U.S. is expected to meet the "Millennium Development Goals," this amounts to $845 billion.

So there you are. Enough said.

compos_mentis: I suspect that you're

NOT thinking this through....

While your concerns are understandable, if Marxist Obama is elected, your current concerns will be the LEAST of your worries.

If Marxist Obama is elected we will have SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE all too soon. That means that the government will control your mother's health care.... Not you nor your insurance provider.... the GOVERNMENT.

Currently in both Canada and England, health care is so bad, people are DYING just waiting for appropriate health care...

And if THAT'S not bad enough, the system is so broke that they are now "rationing" health care. And that would mean that if, God forbid, your mother had a stroke or some such debilitating problem, the government would say, "She's old, and we don't have the money to take care of her. She's expendable!"





Compos mentis while you are at it .....
Compos, while you are at denouncing the cost of the Iraqi war, the decline of social services for the elderly and the ever greater tax burden the middle class' taxpayers have to shoulder, let's not forget the over 10 billion dollars illegal immigration cost the Taxpayer annually.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

You just wait what happens to mom's social security check when, no matter which of the two turkeys wins, they force amnesty on the American people.

It irks me, when those who denounce the cost of the war totally ignore the cost of the illegal immigrants.

compos_mentis: Motley Crue is spot on!

When you take into account, the "Millennium Development Goals," this amounts to $845 billion."

The stats that I saw indicated that each and every American would be paying between $2000 & $2500 each and every year...just for this program. And that's NOT including the taxes we'll be paying just to support his socialist agendas.

And we know where that money is going. Just when, God forbid, you may be needed that money to take care of yourself and your mother.

And the worst part of this is, even as bad as Socialized Health Care has proven to be, Marxist Obama will be taking $845 billion away from our own Americans.


Obama Doesn't Grasp Much
His grasp of politics stops at liberal activist playbook.

He really is pompus to speak in Germany like he was somebody. Like he was a leader. He's a two time senator activist. Talk about audacious.

He'll never be counted in the company of the other two actual Presidents. Never.

Anne/Maggie. Hopefully our posts
to compos_mentis didn't fall on deaf ears. I bid you both goodnight. Cheers.

Community Organizer par excellence !!
If Obama was any good - southside Chicago would be totally revitalized. Maybe even his old pastor/mentor would live there.

Mrs. Ramsey
One of the things I find so interesting is how you and other embrace the founding fathers as if they came to America to create consevatism. Wrong, they were the progressives of their time, the conservatives remained loyal to the king, opposed the revolution and considered the founding fathers to be subversive. They went against tradition and had the audacity to think that they could govern themselves without the kings influence.

They were change agen