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Monday, April 28, 2008
Star Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
McCain 1 or Bush 3?
by Star Parker
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It's no surprise, while the Democrats do battle, that John McCain is using the down time to go on an "I'm not George W. Bush" tour around the country.

We've got a very unpopular Republican president and this translates into heavy baggage for Sen. McCain to unload.

The latest Gallup poll reports President Bush's disapproval rating, 69 percent, as the highest presidential disapproval the organization has ever recorded. Even the beleaguered Nixon peaked at 66 percent disapproval in August of 1974 before he resigned.

But I'm straining to see or hear the new market differentiated Republican product as McCain makes his "forgotten places" tour around the country.

The Washington Post has called this Version 2.0 of Bush compassionate conservatism. From what I see so far, they're right.

In Kentucky, Sen. McCain talked about poverty and Lyndon Johnson's expensive and failed war on it. He pointed out that Johnson's mistake was to think that government could provide the answer to poverty. He then proposed his own new government poverty program. Special tax breaks for telecom companies to deliver Internet service to poor communities.

Then on to New Orleans to apologize for the failure of leadership at the "top" during the Katrina debacle.

And the point? To confirm to liberals and blacks that yes, Republicans and conservatives are racists, indifferent to poverty, this explaining what happened during Katrina?

Congress issued a report on Hurricane Katrina called "A Failure of Initiative" showing poor performance at all levels of government -- local, state, and federal. However, the primary responsibility for emergency action is at the local and state level. The abysmal performance of New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco during Katrina is well documented.

Rather than disputing the simpleminded charges about what went wrong (remember Spike Lee's footage showing Condoleezza Rice shopping for shoes while New Orleans was sinking?), President Bush gave a televised address from New Orleans paying credence to it all.

So, rather than distinguishing himself from George Bush, John McCain seems to be joining a long tradition of Republicans who think that the way to win the votes of poor and working class Americans is to legitimize liberal distortions.

Whether this comes from a confused and misplaced compassion, or confused and misplaced politics, the result is that the poor get no leadership, stay poor and the poor and blacks vote for Democrats in as large number as ever. The only winners in the whole equation are liberal Democrat politicians.

Along with George Bush's dismal approval ratings, Sen. McCain also has reason to be concerned about the Gallup polling this week on Iraq.

Sixty-three percent of Americans now say that it was a "mistake to have sent troops into Iraq." This almost triples the 23 percent that felt it was a mistake five years ago.

According to Gallup, this is the highest "mistake" rating they have ever recorded for a conflict involving U.S. troops. The highest it every got during the Vietnam War was 61 percent.

Making small talk the other day with a young maintenance man hanging a fixture in my office, he made clear to me that he wasn't much into politics. Then he added that all he cared about was that we get out of the war and that he can afford to put gas in his truck.

My young nephew, my sister's only son, called me the other day to tell me he's on his way to Iraq with his army unit. She's concerned. I'm concerned.

There simply is a disconnect between the kind of pabulum that Sen. McCain served up to Americans this last week and asking them to push on in this difficult and increasingly confusing war.

How can we provide moral leadership abroad, asking our parents and children to make the sacrifices that this demands, if we have a president who will not provide that same moral leadership at home? I'm talking about bold leadership regarding limited government and traditional values.

Simply stated, if John McCain wants to avoid the Bush 3 label, he should establish himself as a conservative.

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Star Parker is the founder and president of CURE, the Coalition for Urban Renewal & Education, a 501c3 think tank which explores and promotes market based public policy to fight poverty, as well as author of White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects Inner City Decay.
 
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Pray for Reagan Dems (Robert)
McCain may win the election, but he'll have to depend on "moderates" & disaffected Dems (like our Village Idiot, "Robert") to do so.

True Reagan conservatives reject the "Dem-Lite" party the GOP has become.

Bush 3
He's not a particularly effective communicator. I vote Bush 3

Bush 3
yup, another bush.

Star Parker
Well written column. You see the light regarding McCain. Your last two paragraphs were poignant.

Bush has failed to effectively communicate the purpose and changing circumstances in Iraq. We have won a major victory. The cleanup is predictably taking longer than anticipated but, it is progressing and we will begin downsizing our footprint there. It has already begun with three brigades and, after a pause will most likely continue with several more.

McCain is a moron. He will never be a conservative. He doesn't even like conservatives and would gladly switch parties. He might even do such an idiotic thing if elected. He ain't likely to live to the end of his term much less run again. Hillary is actually the least evil of the three in my mind. Not enough to get a vote though. That is going to Frank McEnulty.


Good article.
The American public is correct in its assessment on the war. They don't believe it was worth the cost. And they are right.

After four years of this administration's flailing about in failure to achieve a stable, nonviolent Iraq, the surge has afforded the administration some temporary political cover.

The war is very unpopular with Americans. That will not change. But the surge has taken a catastrophe of historic proportions and turned it, temporarily, into a manageabsle disaster...for the next administration or two, or three.

McCain may win by virtue of the Democrat's ability to seize defeat from the jaws of victory. Democrats seem poised to nominate Obama, and with all the baggage of Wright and Obama's insulting remarks about Americans clinging to guns and the bible, he will not win the general election.

The farther McCain distances himself from G.W. Bush, the more appealing he becomes.

Americans will not tolerate any more "Iraqs", period.

McCain is correct we cannot exit IF our doing so would make matters even worse.

But this democracy building crusade in the muslim world, so embraced by Bush and the neocons, is dead.

And McCain had better wise up. Swear off swigging the noxious neocon slop.

McCain
I read somewhere that the three blind mice are running for potus. That is about right. Ive been angry @ mccain since the gang of 14. McCain is a power hungry danger to this country no different than the demos, Maybe we could try the next 4 years without a pres, it couldn't be all that bad, Southern

southern
You have been misinformed. The 3 stooges, with updated haircuts, grease paint and drag disguises have taken over. Look closely again, and you'll see the truth. :-(

War - Democrats
WWII was started by FDR, DEMOCRAT, and Germany never attacked us, Japan did, 112,500 died per year.
Korea war was started by Truman, DEMOCRAT, and North Korea never attacked us. 18,334 died per year.
Vietnam conflict was started by JFK, DEMOCRAT and Vietnam never attacked us, 5,800 died per year.
Bosnia war was started by Clinton, DEMOCRAT, and Bosnia never attacked us. He was also offered Osama bin Laden's head three times by Sudan and DID NOTHING.
America DID NOT go to war until we were attacked on 9/11, and the DEMOCRATS complain how long the war tis taking???
This Democratic Congress thinks it knows how to combat terrorists, yet they want to cut and run and leave us volunderable to another attack. Well it took Janet Reno, DEMOCRAT 51 days to take the Branch Davidian compound, how many days would it take a DEMOCRATIC President to secure America if we were attacked again because they pulled out of Iraq?????
Fewer people died in Abu Ghraib Prison than died in Sen. Ted Kennedy's oldsmobile at Chappaquiddick, it took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick Bay.
Maybe people do not understand what REDEPLOYMENT means, the Democrats want to go back and finish the Afganistan war, a war THEY started, and leave Iraq to the terrorists, ever think how that will leave America volunderable?
Joy of Iowa

McCain's assessment of President Bush
I have far greater respect for President Bush than I have for the main stream media polling establishment and John McCain.

If it is correct that American voters do not want a transformation of Middle East countries into responsible democracies, then our nation's citizens have truly become irrationally pessimistic, willing to accept defeat and to surrender the nation's role as a model for people everywhere who hunger for liberty.

It is disheartening to hear or read that more than two thirds of those polled are burdened with McDonald mentality wanting instant gratification and wanting it now.

John McCain will not win the November contest if he continues to denigrate President Bush as he did to people who choose to live in areas below sea level a few levees away from a can-be violent ocean.

John McCain should privately apologize to President Bush for his malicious remarks so that his sanity may be preserved after the election. Guilt can be very destructive when regret is not admitted.


Not Quite
He belongs to the same "club" - the Council on Foreign Relations - that works for open borders, "free" trade, and tear down sovereignty, one world government, and - how about a super highway from Mex to Canada through the US. McShame was for amnesty before he was against it. He likes to reach across the aisle to get his face on TV. Maverick is his name and that's his game. Parker, he can't be a conservative because they have a particular line to follow, not just anyway they want.

Delcy
What flavor koolaid are you drinking this morning?

This is the third column...
...I have been on today,and on every one,Curtal Frier has cut and pasted his self-serving blog about the Holocaust.And this is the third column I have flagged it.

Curtal,if you don't have anything to say about the column in question,please STFU!

Having gotten that out of my system,I have searched the Constitution thoroughly and no where in there does it say I must vote for a president.I have no problem skipping ANY line on the ballot,and if the Constitution or Libertarian party just endorse the Republican party,then they won't get my vote either.I can always write in Mitt Romney's or my own name just to send a very tiny message to the Republican party,whether they read it like that or not.I'll vote for the rest of the Pubs on the ticket.

And by the way,I take NO responsibilty for electing people I didn't vote FOR,such as Hillary or Hussien!

WHEN the REAL QUESTIONS WILL BE ASKED?
Nobody asks candidates the REAL questions:

1. What with the southern border fence?
2. Will you stop "global warming" idiocy?
3. Can the people defend themselves?
4. Will we drill for oil in USA?

Popular
"
If it is correct that American voters do not want a transformation of Middle East countries into responsible democracies, then our nation's citizens have truly become irrationally pessimistic, willing to accept defeat and to surrender the nation's role as a model for people everywhere who hunger for liberty.

It is disheartening to hear or read that more than two thirds of those polled are burdened with McDonald mentality wanting instant gratification and wanting it now."
Why?

why should we not have a President that does whatever it takes to keep the approval rating up?

What could be more important than approval from other people? I live my life with the purpose of maximizing approval from other people. Presidents should govern this country the same way.

McCain, Clinton, Obama?
All members of the CFR, which was a conspiracy theory just a few years ago and didn't exist according to the MSM. I remember the John Birch Society on TV warning against it. I and the whole country laughed at them, called them kooks, conspiracy nuts.

I'm not laughing anymore.

All for endless war. All have a globalist agenda that is not good for America. All for open borders. All for more government.

Habeas Corpus gone.
Posse Comitatus gone.
1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc etc amendments gone.
Everything in place for a dictator. Thanks Bush.
The SCOTUS making ridiculous rulings, against the Constitution.

And we have to choose between Rumple Stiltskin, Cruella Deville and an evil communist Yogi Bear.

None of them are good and none of them are the lesser of two evils. I thought McCain was something he was not and never has been. Thanks MSM.

I even donated to his campaign. Can I get my money back?

Are there no more Americans left that love this country, that I can vote for!!!! Anyone?

Bush 3 ? ? ?
GW has become everyone's favorite target - for everything. He used the tagline "compassionate conservative" 8 years ago, McCain is also using some conservative modifier in his campaign - beyond that; there's little similarity between the two.

McCain adores the press - Bush avoids them. McCain constantly admonishes his own party, Bush almost never. Bush is rarely swayed by fickle public opinion, McCain does little without it.

McCain could win this election easily if he'd just shut up. If he continues to admonish those who speak in his favor and against his opponents - we're going to have a Clinton 3 - not a Bush 3.

The economy
Let me add a fifth. When do we decide that the we are playing a fools game with the economy? We hear nothing about the facts that 1) We are routinely running the highest budget deficits in our history - the average being $500 B for the last 7 years and continuing into the 2009 budget (all of which we must borrow); 2) Our balance of payments deficits have grown from $100 B a year before NAFTA/China, to $500 B in 2003, to over $800 B the last two years - hands down the largest balance of payments deficits we have ever had; 3) Federal spending has grown from $1.88 trillion in 2000 to $3.25 trillion in the 2009 budget - the most rapid growth in spending in the post WWII era, 4) costs of entitlements are steadily rising faster than tax revenues; and 5) The feds decision in 2002 and again in 2007 to use interest rates to try to solve first the stock market bust and then the housing bust that followed by dropping interest rates to 1% in the first case, and now to 2.25% in the second, has caused the world to flee the dollar. High government spending, artificially low interest rates, increasing entitlement costs, high budget debt, and high balance of payment deficits are now chronic. This combination has caused the dollar to lose 42% of its purchasing power since 2002, meaning that $60 per barrel oil now costs $100 or more, just as that $40 hand tool, appliance, garden tool etc. now costs $66. This is not economic management - it's crisis management. Yet, we are doing nothing to deal with it. It's a fools game. Yet, all we hear is how they want to keep spending money they don't have, while reassuring the average citizen that everything is fine. We will deal with it now or we will deal with it later - but we will deal with it. And when we do, it will dwarf any of these other issues.

Uh huh!
"Simply stated, if John McCain wants to avoid the Bush 3 label, he should establish himself as a conservative."

And if that happens between now and November Star, will you actually believe him?!

Why is everyone saying what he needs to SAY differently or ACT differently?

We already know his core beliefs, that he knows nothing about an economy as self-stated. What more does anyone concerned about the future direction of this nation really need to know!

I hope the blathering idiot just keeps on doing what he's doing so as not to fool the gullible. Are you among those Star? I didn't think so, but hey, who am I to know.

Joy
You need to re-read a few history books. Japan and Germany were allies. An attack by one was an attack by the second, and in Korea what do you think caused Inchon? Presumably, by your post, we should have left Germany alone, while fighting only Japan - meaning give up Europe to either the Nazi's, or Stalin - or both. Which would have been the result of the refusal to join with Britain to salvage Western Europe, and in Korea, we should have pulled our troops off the Peninsula and let the North Koreans take it all over.

Well he won't and he doesn't have to
But I won't vote for him, because I believe it would be easier to get out of socialism than the union for Europe he is pushing and will do doubt get if elected. The globalists have been working towards this for many years and they are very close to getting their way in the progress to a one world government.

Good bye my beloved America.

The people aren't running anything
People can't see it because the politicians have kept us busy with so many diversions, but we've totally lost any control over our government. But people can't get their heads out this personality or that personality long enough to see that it isn't about this one or that one but that both parties left us.

Which ever way it goes we lose.

5 STARS

.....STAR ...McCain is Bush on steroids ...at least Bush tried to hide his Liberal tendencies until after he was elected ...

.....Reagan showed the GOP how to win elections but he made two fatal mistakes ...selecting Bush Sr. as his running mate ...and not dumping him for his second term ....once Bush Sr. became POTUS the GOP began sliding to the left ...the only thing that has saved us so far is that the Dems have gone further, to the extreme Left ...

.....As far as the war goes ...all wars are unpopular ...I was in Vietnam and I hated it ...the only satisfactory resolution to war is to win it quickly and get out ...that's what Conservatives want ...Dems just want to get out ...

.....Getting out of Iraq right now would be a big mistake ...it would send a signal to the world that we are not willing to protect the strategic oil supplies in the Middle East ...Iran would fill this vacuum and world wide oil prices would skyrocket ...$200 to $300 for a barrel of oil would be possible ....Europe's economy would collapse and they would become hostage to Russian oil ...

.....One of the reasons that oil is so expensive now is that speculators in the oil futures market are betting that if a Democrat wins the White House we will pull out of Iraq and the price of oil will go through the roof ...the President could put a damper on this speculation by announcing that America is committed to bring 30 to 40 Nuclear Power Plants on line as soon as possible ...if he did that ...the speculators would bail out and the price of oil/gas would drop overnight .....COLOSSUS

Joy
Just one fact check--Germany, somewhat inexplicably, declared war on the U.S. immediately following Pearl Harbor (as Stephen Ambrose once said, perhaps the looniest of Hitler's loony decisions, rivaled only by the invasion of Russia).

Great column!
McCain is a media led simpleton pandering to the media led simpletons.

John McCain needs.....
a TRUE Spiritual conversion! It's all this false spirituality that is "killing us".

Star, honesty, at the very highest level, is what is sorely lacking in most of our politicians!

Wake up - wake up AMERICA!

McCain 1, Bush Nothing.............
Star once again you point out the short comings of this Administration AND THIS GOP.
You are right in saying that McCain told the truth to Appallachia, that the government CANNOT change the situation only hard work and business.
But big business and the GOP, has failed to ease the disadvantage of the poor.
1. They have cut small business and their jobs.
2. They have shipped highly skilled/paying jobs overseas becase they are inept at negotiations with the Unions.
3. They bitched until they recieved massive tax relief, that only bought them more of nothing.
4.They have split the GOP in half with comments like Primus54's, judgedredd1's and many other dolts from Tex-as or Ar-kin-sa

Excellent column--
Another excellent column by Star. I don't see any one of these so called candidates doing the USA any long term good. I think that Jorge Shrub has done too much damage and it will take someone much better than these 3 self serving types to begin to put us on track any time soon.

Continuity
There are so many checks and balances in the government that little is likely to change much, no matter who we elect. The biggest force is the permanent bureaucracy.
I wonder who those who like to tag McCain as Bush 3 see as Obama's predecessor. Would he be carter or Clinton redux? Yuk.
Now the post above about the defict and balance of payments is completely false. The defit came down to $135B and was on track to balance. Then the wackos came to p;ower in Congress and it balooned, again. Congress does have the power of the purse.

Bottom Line
I would rather see Shrillary Cankleton OUT OF HER PANTSUIT than vote for The McAmnesty McMidget!

McCain 1 or Bush 3?


I pray the discussion is moot. Hopefully, McCain will not win and the issue won't be decided.

What if the original patriots - the actual revolutionaries - had instead decided to be "pragmatic" about their situation?

Thankfully, the McCainiacs of their day did not prevail.


georgetwin
I'm with you.Lets show the repub establishment that they can't shove their liberal BS DOWN OUR THROATS

georgetwin
I'm with you.Lets show the repub establishment that they can't shove their liberal BS DOWN OUR THROATS

Boutte
writes, "Just an older, uglier, angrier, lamer would-be tyrant, breathing impotent threats as the country is outpaced by Europe and Asia. An apt symbol of our national decline."

I could almost agree with this statement except for: outpaced by Europe? Europe!! The soon to be Socialist Islamic Republic of Northwest Asia. That Europe? The continent that has a rope around its neck and standing on a teetering stool. Lord, please spare us from the socialist psychedelic drug that Europe imbibed.

Bush 3
I like Bush, and voted for him twice. I am also saddened by the way he mislead me, and has gone against the principals that convinced me to vote for him.

He seems to be another MBA elitist like those that run cable companies, AOL, the Auto manufacturers.. all those had people running them that knew what they had learned in ivory towers but didn't have a clue about the real world.
Most folks understood why we went into Iraq, (libs excluded of course). I and my friends are mad because they aren't fighting to win. They're fighting as defined by the liberal media and left wing. We'll never win by being nice guys, and trying to fight nice won't sway the left anyhow. How many soldiers have been put on trial because in the heat of the moment they did as they were trained? Yes, for that reason I'm against this war, as it's being fought. Not because I want to turn tail and run from a fight we didn't go looking for.

McCain might be considered a Bush 3 because he is carrying forward all the things that have failed Bush 2. The kinder tone? It failed, and McCain thinks he can use it and win? Bush's refusal to stand on principal instead of compromising as he's done in budget after budget... McCain is more into Bush's failures than Bush is. How sad that they have so much ego and refuse to see reality as the rest of us do.

I don't see a single presidential candidate I can vote for, as much as I don't want to leave that part blank on my ballot I may have too.

COLOSSUS Speaks
Good post baseballdoc. I have no doubt you are correct that such a statement, which would be akin to a JFK style going to the moon speech right now, would have a major impact. It is definitely the surest way to less dependence on global oil imports in the short run, and an excellent long term source of electricity that Europe has benefited from tremendously. If we had let the market decide, we probably would all now have our electricity supplied by nuclear power, and probably have more electric vehicles due to cheap plentiful electricity.

Joy has my sympathies
Of the many angry, irrational views betrayed by Joy's simple-minded post, perhaps the most stunning was the lesson she drew from Waco:

Joy: "Janet Reno, DEMOCRAT 51 days to take the Branch Davidian compound..."

PW: Lots of thoughtful Americans have wondered why Koresh wasn't quietly arrested on his way to pick up his mail.

Others have regretted needlessly putting the lives of so many children at risk in a military-style assault on the compound.

But before Joy's post, I'd never heard anyone from the left, right or center fault Reno for taking so long to "take" the compound.

Even the folks whom I'd imagine are usually in sync with Joy -- including those who live in heavily armed bunkers in Idaho -- typically see the raid at Waco as the work of a too-powerful government gone mad.

That said, I can't help but wonder what terrible misfortunes must have destroyed any spark of humanity that may have once animated Joy's hollowed-out soul. She has my sympathy.












Save our Country, Troops and Iraq.
DELCY, THINKER, JOY AND BASEBALL DOC,

Their is only one reason I will vote for McCain, I believe he will not let us loose this mission, and I believe the strength and trust of our country depends on it.... The reason I singled you out, is because I have learned that you can not get through a closed mind.... I would just like to support any one that supports our troops, theirs in charge and their mission, and hope they do speak out and not get discouraged.... I am also dissapointed that McCain is distening himself from our President, right or wrong, he did not give into polls and let our military down,(my grandson on his third tour included.... I feel the only thing they have against our President is he did not lose the Election (twice) regardless of all the negative lies they told.... I just wish they could close their mouths as much as they close their minds so our military could finish their job.... We all know or should know they can not pull our brave troops out until it is safe to do so.... Pray that they will stop saying we lose, so our troops do not have to fight the war here, along with fighting the terrorists.... UNITED WE SHOULD BE STANDING.... God Bless our Toops and all their Dedicated Families and Veterans for Freedom.

How about Jimmuh 2 1/2?
Basically, McCain seems to be Carter with an (R) after his name instead of a (D).

Poll numbers aren't shocking.
30 and 40 years ago, during Vietnam and Nixon, the mainstream media, while monolithically left wing, as it is today, did not hold such a strong foothold in the people's life. There was no 24x7 propaganda "news" outlets like the Communist New Network or MessNBC.

Most of the newspapers, while still center-left, were no where NEAR as openly hostile to anything not out of the Communist Manifesto. In fact, it is hard to believe even a tried and true lefty like LBJ would have stood for the New York Times knowingly publishing classified information on its front cover with the stated and expressed intent to help our enemies kill our soldiers.

You give me sole control over virtually all of the so-called "news" media like the DNC has, and I could convince the nation that B. Hussein Obama fought for the Nazis during World War II, was the mastermind of the 9/11 attack, and was the REAL killer of Jonbeney Ramsey.

So that these negative ratings are at all time highs is not surprising. The DNC's control over the "news" media has also reached an all time high.

Not Bush 3
I voted for Bush 1 and 2. I'll never vote for McCain.

Bulldog
Just one fact check for you:

I'm assuming the "Germany never attacked us" comment from Joy is an oft-repeated retort to the kooky commie complaint (and factual lie) that "Iraq never attacked us".

In that case, here are the ACTUAL facts behind that: Saddam had declared war on the US in 1991, and that war had never been resolved. There had been a conditional cease fire signed, and according to the unanimous vote of the UN Security Council on Resolution 1441, Iraq had violated virtually every one of the conditions of that cease fire, thereby making that cease fire null and void, and thus meaning that by every standard, international law or otherwise, we were free to retaliate any time we so chose. Please note that the 1991 Iraq war marked the first time in history that a US president initially sought, and gained, UN approval for war against another nation. (Since then, such approval has been granted just one other time -- to authorize our invasion of Afghanistan.)

I'm not as concerned
with a Bush 3 as I am with a Clinton 3 or, with Obama, a Carter 2. I'd rather have a Bush 3 any day. I'm no great McCain fan, but I feel he's the lesser of the three evils. I don't believe there is a "A New Reagan" showing anywhere in the near future to save us from a Clinton or Obama administration in 2012. I'll take my chances on keeping something slightly resembling a conservative than a downright socialist in office.

beowulfe
I am aware of and agree with everything you've noted vis-a-vis Iraq and Saddam; I don't know how things will ultimately play out over there. I think that if we maintain our resolve, that it could turn out better than many people are thinking it will. And even if it doesn't, I still think we did the right thing taking out Saddam Hussein. I've been to that region both pre-and-post Saddam, and I think his demise was a service to the world.

So now you know where I stand, and it doesn't matter to me if I'm one of the few who still holds these positions.

I hope you weren't under the impression that I'm one of the cut-and-run crowd simply because I pointed out to Joy that she had a minor historical gltch--I just didn't want her good points undermined by the very real fact that Nazi Germany did declare war on the U.S. in 1941.

Refried Hitler is blind to conservatism
Lady Parker urges McCain to convert to Conservatism. A leopard cannot chnange his spots!
Yes, while this Mr. refried Mr. Hitler made fun of Ron Paul when he spoke like a Conservative.

Did she and all conservatives support him? All so self-labeled conservatist of today are nothing but the Imperialist of all times. Yes, oil matters more for America today than human life of ever other form.

Yes, America is the mass grave of over 50+ of unborn babies with the butcher shop full speed ahead murdering daiyl thousands while America's inhumane and horrendous war machinery is all over the world mowing down anyone in the way of Mr. Emperor and King George W.

Yes, while at the sames time another nation has fully taken over America and now treated equal to America istself, with borders still like a sieve etc.

In summary America is now the troublemaker of the world; just like the British were some two centuries ago. Yes, some ill-equipped yanquis kicked their behind and told then to get the hell out of America with orders never to return.

Yes, America is asking for trouble; and America will find it, if history is any proof!

beowulfe
And I agree the fact that there was no "Memo from the Desk of Saddam" saying "WTC--Great Idea! Let's get on it ASAP!" doesn't carry a lot of weight as far as his desire to bring us down.

I accept your sympathy.
Perry, if I misspoke them I apologize, however, the point is, every war we have been in was when started by a Democratic President and Congress approved. This Congress approved the Iraq war and are now taking cover by not wanting to accept any responsibility and are even putting out service people in harms way by refusing to budget funding to meet their needs. They also want to cut and run while saying a FEW would stay and help train their army, well who the hell is going to protect those FEW service men/women if we pull out, this bunch of Democrats are showing their true color, they must not care what happens to those left behind. Our service men and women are fighting for our freedom and deserve our support, don't leave them like you did in Vietnam. John McCain may not be everything we want, but he will protect our service men/women who are protecting YOU and ME. War is HELL, I lost family members to war, but they made it clear that they chose service because they believed in America, now its up to the American citizens to let them know we believe in them and are proud of what they are accomplishing, even if the MEDIA and LEFT WING Democrats fail to show it.
Joy of Iowa

I accept your sympathy.
Perry, if I misspoke them I apologize, however, the point is, every war we have been in was started by a Democratic President and Congress approved. This Congress approved the Iraq war and are now taking cover by not wanting to accept any responsibility and are even putting out service people in harms way by refusing to budget funding to meet their needs. They also want to cut and run while saying a FEW would stay and help train their army, well who the hell is going to protect those FEW service men/women if we pull out, this bunch of Democrats are showing their true color, they must not care what happens to those left behind. Our service men and women are fighting for our freedom and deserve our support, don't leave them like you did in Vietnam. John McCain may not be everything we want, but he will protect our service men/women who are protecting YOU and ME. War is HELL, I lost family members to war, but they made it clear that they chose service because they believed in America, now its up to the American citizens to let them know we believe in them and are proud of what they are accomplishing, even if the MEDIA and LEFT WING Democrats fail to show it.
Joy of Iowa

McCain is no conservative but..
We have had a Bush or a Clinton in the Whitehouse since 1986. Hillary is more of the same leadership that has plenty of flaws. Bush 1 was 4 years of pretty much riding the coat tails of Ronald Reagan and the conservative values,Reagan installed. Reagan gave us lower taxes, strong military, end of the cold war by distroying the USSR, and and correcting the Jimmy Carter mess. Why would we want a Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton chain of non-conservative ideas. Bush 2 did lower our taxes, and stop the murder of full term babies, and he did make a couple of pretty good appointments to the supreme court, but he has done very little about the energy issues, and nothing to stop illegal immigration. That leaves Obama, the most inexperienced, liberal, foot in mouth canidate in my memory. McCain is no conservative, he is too old, and I dont care for his flip flop ways, but I will hold my nose and vote for him..What a shame, its time for a third party.

Thank you Joy
Thank you for confirming to me that unlike the supposingly anti war believers, that we are brave, and strong enough to admit if we are wrong, and graceful enough to apologize....Why it is not understood that their negativity is endangering and killing our troops is something I will never understand....Why our troops can not be praised and backed for the terrific job they are doing, instead of being told we can not win, is beyond what I was taught.... Our troops could certainly use the support that our whole country is backing them, and are not really cheerleaders for the terrorists.

Ha!
"Simply stated, if John McCain wants to avoid the Bush 3 label, he should establish himself as a conservative."

Do you think he wants to? I can't believe some of these media people who think these politicians are marionettes to be manipulated by public opinion. McCain has a mind of his own and it's a dangerous mind. We'll have Bush 3 all right, but his name will be Obama.

Star, your final line,
"Simply stated, if John McCain wants to avoid the Bush 3 label, he should establish himself as a conservative."

And therein lies the rub. McCain has NO desire to establish himself as a conservative. He detests conservatives and conservative, small government principles. If anything he will move even further left than Bush, so he will not really be a Bush 3 in that regard.

Right now, McCain is a Democrat (with an R behind his name) on most issues. He revels in being the maverick,willing to attack conservatives every chance he gets (loving it even more so when the media showcases him doing so.) At this point in time I cannot vote for him (but I will vote downticket for conservatives) because I cannot trust him to be anything but a Democrat. If I wanted a Democrat I would vote for one.

Thank you for NOT going the RINOgram route with your column.

I think it's sad.
Everyone is crying in their beer that we didn't get a conservative. Well no one voted for the conservatives when they were right in front of you! Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson were right there! Instead we let the media ignore them and we got suckered into believing they weren't electable. So we all ran out and voted for Huck, Romney, Guiliani, and McCain just the media wanted us to do. We have no one to blame but ourselves. My kid likes to say "You get what you get and you don't throw a fit". Deal with your actions now people, or cry some more when you've got Obama or Hillary giving away the country. McCain is no saint, but he's a damn sight better than those two.

A few huge differences:
1. McCain is a genuine war hero and patriot; Bush's greatest military achievement was getting an early release from the Air National Guard.
2. McCain can speak English intelligibly.
3. McCain can think coherently, even if I disagree with many of his ideas.
4. McCain understands the need to fight "Islamic Terrorism"; Bush would never utter the phrase, Clinton doesn't get it and I still don't know whether Obama is actively fighting for the other side or is just clueless.
5. I wish we had a better choice, but we either vote McCain or lose our country irrevocably.

actually bush 4, viva la raza
mccain is another no borders liberal.
in los angeles, the penalty for being a sanctuary illegal alien shrine is that it is also an illegal alien drug gang territory.
lately, there have been gang shooting at police.
just like tijuana.
but as antonio villaragorsalinas says, we have no illegal people here.

i move from los angeles in 1975. the gangs were local and american mostly and ineffective until they found the drug cash register. they went from knives and clubs to uzzis.

bring more of these not illegal people in john, antonio, barak, hillary.
mexifornia is 10 billion in debt due to the expense of supporting this underclass of yes, illiterate, did i spell that right, peasants, did i spell that right.
i must be illiterate.
i will go to illegal alien diversity rehab tomorrow.
adios,
Harvey or Jarvey?
Lancaster, Mexifornia
Greater Aztlan
dial 1 for english

Well Spoken Dolly
Thank you for your kind words and you are welcome.

Joy of Iowa

He doesn't have to schmooz us!
McCain is going to pull it off without the conservative base. He's gonna have the RINO's, the Reagan Dems, the indies, and now more and more Dems that think Obama's a rascist and Hillary's just nuts. Throw in the hold-your-nose-and-pull conservatives and he wins. I'm really not too worried about it anymore. I worry more about the great masses of the uninformed showing up, like always.

Rip Van Winkel
What tremendous enthusiasm there is for whoever is elected president in November. The public is too damned lazy or stupid or both to care or realize that they are being manipulated by news networks and the mainstream press, so we will get what we deserve, an "Obmination" of leadership.

I can only hope to slumber through the next four years of absolute chaos and tyranny that emerges from a bureaucratic cancer believing it has been empowered by the electorate to control their lives. My awakening will be startling to say the least.

McCain
A conservative or Republican not voting will be a vote for a Democrat. Will that further the conservative cause or the true Republican cause/
A lot of damage can be done in four years. Our country is near the tipping point of going down as so many great societies have done. In recent years they have lasted about 200 years. How old is the U.S.?
Hillary is not an unknown quantity. She is a known and proven and chronic liar. Even lies when it is easy for her to get caught. Obama has a very thin resume and has some connections that should be damaging unless too many people are dazzled by his "celebrity" status. He is very liberal-said to be the most liberal Senator. Maybe people want more failed liberal policies. It seems that results do not matter-it is only the good intention that does.
I don't like McCain, but he has the possibility of nomination strict constructionist judges whereas there is no possibility that either of the other wood. Nor would they be at all likely to veto any Democrat legislation.
So I will hold my nose and vote for McCain-warts, age and all.
Donald W. Bales

Are we supposed to admire you?
I'm talking to you idiot McCainiacs.

Random thought - ever notice McCain is/was not anyone's first choice?

Back on point: Just because you pinheads have no backbone, principles, or courage, don't expect/demand that the rest of cower in fear like you and surrender to the RNC. You needle-d*cks are pathetic, yet you boast like you're doing us all a favor. Keep your lousy favors.


"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."

Ron Paul
We should have nominated Ron Paul.

DON.
I agree with your assessment of the condition of our country and how did we get there ??? George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and a Republican controlled congress who mad a pretty sharp left. I for one am fed up and disgusted with all politicians and see no one on the horizon who will save this country. I will no longer vote for the lesser of two evils which is what you and many others are ready to do.
When and if the country goes down with Mc Cain in the White House will you folks try to figure some way to blame on folks like me who intend to do a Write In ???
Mc Cain will sell out so quick to the Democrats and the Globalists and give your jobs to illegal aliens, but you will be able to stand tall in the unemployment line knowing you are a good and faithful Lock Step Republican.

Dolly writes:
"Why it is not understood that their negativity is endangering and killing our troops is something I will never understand...."

You know what is "endangering and killing our troops", Dolly-the-cloned-sheep? Bush's mouth. Bush's complete and reckless disregard for their lives and their service. His complete and reckless disregard for their health when they return.

Dolly, your STUPIDITY and irrational fear that mooslims will walk down your street cutting off the heads of your neighbors and forcing you to wear a Burka is "endagering and killing our troops." Your stupidity in supporting a President that is supposedly at the command of *The Single Most Important War In The History Of America And The Ultimate Determination of Whether the USA Survives* leaves our borders WIDE WIDE open and punishes border guards trying to do their jobs.

Needless and unprovoked war "endangers and kills our troops."

If mooslims fit you for a burka, you can thank Bush for that. And thank him for sending all of our troops oversees to be maimed and killed while also closing American bases so that the mooslims can walk down our streets undeterred.

Don't give me your BS about supporting the troops. You haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

Huckabee Supporter
I am a Huckabee supporter that will never support McCain. McCain and his friends believe in open borders and unchecked trade agreements. I will vote for Hillary before I vote for McCain. At least she does not call herself a conservative.

We do not have a lesser of the two evils this year. We had a chance with Huckabee and we blew it by paying to much attention to the pundits in the media.

to hear this assembly
The present assembled pundits are no longer even receptive to the idea we are a nation. Not a party.

Since when did being a "conservative," make you the only game in town? We're electing a new PRESIDENT. The President governs a nation. This necessarily implies he also governs liberals and independents; and even people who don't turn out to vote for any party.

But here we see a group who thinks the whole country is there to be used by conservatives. Not since the defunct Soviet Union was there one party lording it over the entire population of a nation.

This is hubris. McCain is exactly what America needs for the shoort term. An independent President who leads. You are all demanding one who follows-- the marionette you consider conservative.

FINE-- Stay home on election day. Wonk on your own weenies and keep your damn votes. Americans are better than that.
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