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Monday, November 05, 2007
Star Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Life is not a defined benefit
by Star Parker
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The U.S Comptroller General and head of the GAO, Government Accountability Office, has described the entitlements crisis facing this country as a "tsunami" that approaches while we continue to party on the beach.

What GAO head David Walker is talking about are the massive upcoming obligations under Social Security and Medicare that we have no funds to meet. Tens of trillions of dollars of supposed commitments, promises made to us by our government, that today we have no clue how we'll pay.

In those rare moments when our political "leaders" screw up sufficient courage to acknowledge this dark and ominous fiscal cloud hanging over us, the discussion is invariably technical. Proposed tax increases, cap increases, retirement age increases, benefit cuts, indexing -- all geared to "save the system."

But who has considered that, despite all the discussion about unfunded liabilities, what we really have on our hands is, at root and core, a moral crisis?

No one explains this better than my friend Jose Pinera.

And no one has better credentials to talk about this problem.

Twenty seven years ago, in November 1980, Chile, Dr. Pinera's home country, approved Social Security reform in which a tax-based, pay-as-you go government retirement system -- essentially identical to what we have here -- was replaced with an ownership based system of individually owned retirement accounts. Yes, in principle the kind of reform that President Bush proposed.

As the then youthful Minister of Labor and Social Security of Chile, Pinera was the godfather, mastermind, architect, navigator, and quarterback of the reform.

Key in execution was to allow every Chilean worker the dignity of choice.

They could choose to stay in the existing system, continue to pay payroll taxes, and qualify for government benefits at retirement, or they could get out and use those same funds to open and invest in their own personal retirement account.

Within months, 90 percent of the Chilean workforce opted out of the government system and into their own personal ownership regime.

The result has been more than just an enormously successful transformation of a failed government retirement system. Chile's social security privatization -- if I may use the word that politicians, even the conservative ones, choke on these days -- has been a driving piston in Chile's economic engine, now the most powerful in Latin America.

The average real (adjusted for inflation) annual return of Chile's personal retirement accounts over the last 26 years has been over ten percent (the historical real annual return on stocks in the U.S. is 7 percent).

And Chile catapulted from one of the lowest per capita GDP countries in Latin America in 1980 to the highest today.

But, where, amidst all this great economic news is the moral lesson?

In talking about the transformation of all pension systems -- government and private alike -- from defined benefit (controlled by others and they tell you what you'll get) to defined contribution (you own it, and put your own funds into it), Pinera touches the root of the problem of today's welfare state. He sums things up, pointing out that "life is not a defined benefit."

When our founding fathers signed off, in our Declaration of Independence, on the words that "all men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights," they meant "rights" to live your life freely and unimpeded by others. Government's job, as the Declaration goes on, is "to secure these Rights." It's there to protect you.

Over the years, as we've become intoxicated with our own success, and detached from our own roots and principles, our understanding of "rights" and government has morphed into things altogether different. "Rights" have become what everyone is allegedly entitled to (our claims on others) and we look to government to enforce delivery of these entitlements.

The ocean of Social Security and Medicare red ink in which we are about to drown speaks to the efficacy of the entitlement mindset. The nanny state not only violates, rather than protects, our rights. It doesn't work.

Today we must look to Chile to learn what America's founders knew. Freedom is built on and fueled by personal responsibility

In an international survey released by the Pew Global Attitudes project last July, 62 percent of Chileans responded that they expect the next generation to be better off than their parents -- highest in Latin America. Number two was Bolivia where 45 percent believe the next generation will be better off.

In a just released USA Today Gallup poll, only 46 percent of respondents in the U.S. expressed optimism that the next generation in our country would "live better than their parents."

The entitlements crisis is a moral crisis and we ought to grasp that ownership is part of the "values" agenda. Life is not a defined benefit.

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Star Parker is the founder and president of CURE, the Coalition for Urban Renewal & Education, a 501c3 think tank which explores and promotes market based public policy to fight poverty, as well as author of White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects Inner City Decay.
 
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Australia also has private retirement ac
Australia is another country that's way ahead of the US.

For some time, employers in Australia have been putting 9% of gross salary into personal retirement accounts. There are also good tax incentives for individuals to contribute more. So most Australians have benefited from the strong growth in the sharemarket to earn good returns.

Credit for this must go to both this government and its predecessor.

There is still an old-age pension, but younger Australians, if they start saving early enough, should not have to worry about government shortfalls in a few decades.

Entitlements are unconstitutional
The Constitution guarantees equality of opportunity, NOT of outcome.

It gives you the right to succeed or fail, on your own dime.

Why don't you
just shoot those who didn't succeed and dared to become old and ill while poor.

After all they shhot horses don't they?

Chilie and the USA
Oh no--not that tired old Chile dumped Social Security and look how great it is now debate. Chile is a relatively small, poor country and their citizens don't make the sort of money we make. Also things are just dreadful there so spare me the look how great choice is ploy!

Look, ever since 1935 Republicans and Conservatives have sought to undo the New Deal reforms and Social Security is at the top of their list of evil.

Since I'm approaching Social Security status within the next ten years I resent being lectured to by some really young conservative sheeple shnook who's barely out of high school. Give me a break.

Twinkle twinkle little Star/you don't know who stupid you really are!!!!!!

The Sad Truth About America
The sad truth about America is that we're too lazy to save anything on our own. Our bank accounts always seem to run on empty. Also here's something no one ever thinks about in the Social Security debate--longetivity. In 1935 we were in the middle of a depression so jobs were relatively scarce and the jobs available didn't pay much. The bean counters of 1935 came to the conclusion that 59 was considered old age so they set the retirement age at 65 figuring few people would be able to collect Social Security.

Well, surprise, surprise, people are now living longer thanks to medical advances and living smarter. Now you can expect to live into your 70's and 80's and collect Social Security for decades to come.

When the Constitution was adopted, women didn't vote and blacks were 3/5 of a person. That's why we can change the Constitution called AMENDMENTS.

no bs artist
Is there a rational argument in your tirade? Nope, can't find one.

First, Chile is the fastest growing and most prosperous economy in South America. The government plays watchdog to protect the citizens' investments from charlatans but has no other involvement. It is working!!!

Yes, intelligent people have been trying to get rid of FDR's Marxist schemes. Social Security is a Ponzi scheme that is failing. The fact that it impoverishes the lower classes and does no one except the government any good is what makes it evil. Get a clue!

I'm glad you made it to Social Security status. So am I. I've been paying in for 40 years. According to their little info sheets and my calculations, if I live to be 85 I won't get back all the money I've put in. Whereas, if I had been able to keep that money and just get a 7% return on investment over those 40 years I could live comfortably on the interest and leave the principle to my heirs. You care to explain how that is morally sound?

And no, I'm not some kid barely out of high school. I may be older than you.

The little poem on the end illustrates perfectly the bankruptcy of your argument. If you have nothing intelligent to say, start name-calling.

Mr. Right is right..
For the benefit of nobsartist, I'll type this real slow... Social Security is a PONZI SCHEME!! There is not now, nor has there ever been, a fund, ss lock box, annuity or anything close to an account with your social security money safely waiting for you to retire. They (the feds) take from the young and give to the old. Worked just fine till the old outnumbers the young. Check out GM, van old boy!! It does not work. (And GM is not killing their retirees) In fact, Van, why don't you move to some marxist country where you can be happy with the government that you continually espouse? Then write and tell us how you made out.

there you go again
no bs artist - in your second post you say that Americans don't save. Speak for yourself. But I'd save a heck of a lot more if the government wasn't confiscating 12.5% of my income! If our SS had been set up as private accounts, we'd never have to worry about how long anybody lived. FDR gambled that he could raise taxes, make people think they were going to get something for nothing and he could keep the money for his other Socialist schemes. He failed.

Were it not for LBJ and Carter, FDR would go down in history as the worst president of the 20th century.

Sustainable Development
With all due respect to Star Parker, El Presidente Jorge Boosh was only feigning his privatization plan as he knew it had not a snowball's chance at passing. If he was so insistent, why hasn't he fought for the plan like he does for the illegal alien plan. He is a phony "New World Order" sycophant who will go down in history (if we even have a future to refer to as history)as a traitor who should have been removed from office and tried for treason. Of course there would have to be many trials because he has many followers in so-called public office in both of the Soviet led parties we sadly trusted to obey the Constitution which they swore to do when we elected them.

The real problem lies in the funding of the NGO's which have nothing to do with protecting America and her people. I am referring to the "Sustainable Development" (google it) mentality which is nothing more than preparation of the United States for a takeover by the United Nations. Primarily the environmental agencies through "Community Development and Planning," "Public Education," and the catch phrase of "Consensus Building."

It is getting very close to being the future, and we had better awaken from our dazed sleep and worrying about a social system these clowns have no intention of supporting in the future beyond puting the middle class out of existence.

Nobody counts on Social Security
unless they also believe in UFOs. Instead, if they are intelligent people, even if they have not been able to save much due to the cost of rearing their own children and a generation of worthless hangers-on (see New Orleans for prime example) that were dumped on us by the Liberals (see White Mans Burden), they cultivated a good relationship with their families and worked hard to build up private charities and the kind of old fashioned churches where instead of marching in the street with signs demanding that Other People Feed His Sheep, Or Else, the congegations do what Jesus commanded us to do: care for one another.

If you did not learn any family values from your Woodstock Parents, I pity you; you are going to live an unhappy old age trying to force other people to support you, just as you have done all your life.

And as for Generation Whine and their GrabbyBaby children, get ready to take over the reins whether you want to or not. Your lifetime dream that the Boomers would never retire and would allow you to live in our basements rent free forever while we kept the world running is about to come to an end.

That screeching sound you hear is the gravy train to the Big Rock Candy Mountain -- grinding to a halt. Do not let the door hit you when you disembark.

AudiR10
Nicely put. My children, neices and nephews cover the spectrum from ants to grasshoppers. That screeching sound is getting louder. I don't know who i feel sorrier for -- the boomers who have to depend on the clueless oncoming PC kids to provide patently unsupportable entitlements, or the kids stuck with the job. Meanwhile, do you know any good investments? You know, the kind that did well in Germany as the Weimar Republic collapsed.

to BrianR
The Constitution guarantees that those who write the rules will benefit the best.

It is a farce to think that the Constitution, and the laws that follow, are somehow egalitarian and unbiased.

Once the government creates money, the whole of society will inevitably divide, for political and economic causes, which are too detailed to include here.

Money isn't real, we only think it is. Huge difference.

http://www.behappyandfree.com

Entitlements

Why is it we talk only of Social Security, not Medicare, Medicaid and the New Drug Prescription Act as well? All fit the same mold as the next generation ends up paying for benefits for the previous generation because the previous generation has not paid in sufficient money to pay for theirs. And, the costs of health care exceed the costs of social security. Further, when talking of Social Security, why don't we discuss the fact that we doubled the payroll tax in the early 80's to pay for it. However, when social security then began building up surpluses we simply transferred the surpluses to the general fund and issued an IOU to social security. Since the doubling of the fund, we've borrowed $1.6 trillion. This money was used to pay for other spending unrelated to social security - and has masked the true deficits in the general fund we've been running since that time. If we had kept the money in socila security - it would be fully funded and we wouldn't be talking about this entitlement crises - at least for social security.

At the core of it all we have out of control government spending. We like to cut taxes, but not spending - therefore we borrow from social secutiy and to cover some of the deficits we run. And no, we cannot afford it.

Steve
Miss Parker opines a nasty flock of chickens is coming home to roost. Do you agree? Disagree?Do you have any proposals to deal with the situation as you see it?

Fix?
Many years ago republicans attempted to do something about the ponzi scheme that is social security. They were immediately called "hateful", "uncaring" and wanted to "kill" the elderly. Remember the commercials where the elderly were forced to eat cat food?
People like bs have no option, they just b*tch & moan if anyone proposes an option. Does anyone remember the screaming when Bush had the audacity to suggest that workers put 2% of their own money in a fund of their own choice. Oh, the horror!

no bs artist
Oh, please...those evil Republicans want to do away with aging America's social benefits...HAHAHA...I guess that is why they legislated the largest extension of them, Medicare-D, ever!
The problem with Social Security has not been with the system, but with the system's "Board of Directors", THE US CONGRESS, which, under the leadership of the Democrats didn't invest SS funds so they could grow to meet current needs, but borrowed them continually to BUY VOTES with WELFARE via "The Great Society" and other Liberal programs of wealth redistribution, inclusive of SS fund wealth. They corrupted the SS system to service those who had not contributed to it, instead of making a debt financed separate social "safety net" for those citizens, and here's another aspect of US Congressional irresponsibilty: All of the AMNESTY covered INVADERS of the 1980s were allowed to bring into this nation their elderly parents, and in some cases aunts and/or uncles, who then began to draw from the SS trust as if they had made conjtributions throughout a productive US worker's life! I won't limit this to the INVADERS since the truth is that regular legal immigrants and elderly "oppressed/prosecuted" foreigners from all over the globe have come and drawn immediately or sponsored their elderly relatives to come and feed off the SS!
Had working and contributing US Citizens been left as the sole legal beneficiaries (based on the contributions point system of eligibilty) of the SS program and the money from their and their employers payroll taxes invested, or farmed out for investment at a guarnateed minimum return, in the private sector, there would now be surplus funds for the foreseeable future. NO CRISIS....perhaps a national life preserver.

Star.....
You sorta skirted the issue of where the bucks that should be in the Social Security Trust Fund have been and are going. The Democrats (an lately some Republicrats) have for decades taken the money from the "dis-trust" fund and replaced the real bucks with paper IOUs.

To make this clear to Van and BS Artist, it's like putting aside the real dollars from your pay check that you want to save in an envelope. When you find you need that money to pay for the big screen tv, iphone, or other junk, you take cash from the envelope and replace it with an IOU.

When you finally retire, you go to the envelope and find paper rather than money. Who will honor that paper? No one! If you really need the money, you must replace the paper with money. For regular people, that would be impossible.

This is what has been happening to the SS DisTrust fund. The difference is that the politicians who took the money and replaced it with paper are no longer there for us to boot out of office. The fact is that the SS DisTrust fund is going broke--that is, it does not have the real bucks to pay promised benefits.

Where will the money come from? From us through tax increases.

Private accounts are the answer. The politicians can't touch them!!

History Lesson 1
FDR, (democrat) introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program.
He promised:
1.) That participation in the program would be completely voluntary.
2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400of their annual incomes into the program.
3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year.
4.) That the money the participants put into the independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and,
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed.


History Lesson 2
Today we find out that Americans are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put away'. So, you may be interested in the following:

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the 'General Fund' so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically controlled House and Senate.

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for SocialSecurity (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities????
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the 'tie-breaking' deciding vote, as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the USA.

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?
A: That's right! Jimmy Carter! And the Democratic Party of course!I mmigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!

Then, after doing all this lying and thieving and violating of the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the
Republicans want to take your Social Security away! And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it.

Would someone please explain to me
how, in light of these facts, our politicians can have the AUDACITY to even SUGGEST that we should offer Social Security benefits to illegal aliens.

If the money that you have paid into SS disappears, it will not be because the most productive generation in U.S. history reached retirement age. It will be because a bunch of crooked politicians tried to buy the Hispanic vote by giving away your retirement benefits!!

USMC (ret)
Thank you for putting the current political misinformation in historical context.

Soc. Sec. was set up as
a ponzi scheme in 1937 when only 1 in 10 reached 65. (I just wrote this somewhere else). Now our mortality is 72 for men and 78 for women, and rising.

SS will have to raise deductions as high as anyone earns and elim. the cap at c. $85,000. It will have to lengthen the time before you can make a claim. Elim. partial payments at 62 would help.

Also, benefits will have to be cut, esp. for the second wave of boomers. Bush' new drug benefit is another tsunami barely considered.

And younger people will have to be afraid there'll be nothing left for them and save for themselves.

The kicker there is idiot Nancy Pelosi just announced she wants to tax all investments, your savings, and interest, and any stock profits at 100% to pay for the unemployed!!!and ILLEGALS who NEED OUR HELP (back across the border.

If that isn't a reason never to vote Dem. again, I don't know what is.

Van
Van thinks we are being mean to old poor people. We better agree with him right away! Honestly Van, do these little emotion based stunts ever actually work for you?

S.S.
I paid into S.S. for almost 50 years.I also paid into a pension plan for 10 years,yet my private pension was over half of what S.S.was worth,plus the fact that my pension would go to my wife if I die first.

"no bs artist" got one thing right
in his second post.

If we're going to make entitlements constitutional, then AMEND the Constitution.

Otherwise, they should be eliminated.



Hey... I can dream....


In the 1930s
... FDR demonized "the rich" and "capitalists," and forcibly extracted punitive percentages of their earnings from them and their companies. This notably helped keep the US economy in the toilet, and was no fun for anyone but FDR and his administration.

In the 2040s, when Social Security goes broke, one of the groups demonized -- and financially raped and pillaged -- will be retirees who accumulated their own, private retirement assets during their working years.

How old will you be in 2042? Might want to learn Spanish, and retire in Chile.

Adios Star .......
Star, look, sweetie if no Social Security works so well in Chile, please move there as soon as possible. Adios and good riddance.

Hey you miserable sheeple, social security is not an entitlement--you pay into the system over your entire working career. If you, heaven forbid, become disabled, you can collect SSI benefits. Upon retirement age, you get your money back. You sheeple are soooooo dumb. That's why conservatives will always be sheeple and every time you conservatives try to tamper with the current system, no matter how imperfect it is, always results in monumental failure. How come? Yeah, I can see you sheeple opening your savings accounts any day now.

Well, bs artist
Shoulda quit while you were ahead, and had got one thing right.


Move to Chile
Look instead of indulging in pointless arguements, why don't all you sheeple just up and leave for Chile with that juvenile delinquent Star Parker. Trust me, you won't be missed!!! Hasta la vista, baby.

no bs artist
You've obviously confused sheep with conservatives. Sheep depend on someone else to give them their every need. Sounds more like a village of democrats to me. Conservatives believe that everyone should be responsible for themselves.

Even after I've been robbed of 12% of my income, I put 12% into a 401K and I'm putting another 4% towards saving for my children's college education. I'm not depending on others - or even what I've had stolen through social security. How about you?

LOL, "reader"
Notice the quality of "no bs artist's" arguments.

Stunningly intellectual, a truly awesome point-by-point refutation of the premise of the column and the posts.

Cuts right to the heart of the matter with insightful commentary and irrefutable logic.

And the quotes, from other intellectual luminaries. "Hasta la vista, baby". The Terminator, if I'm not mistaken.

Wow. I am absolutely thunderstruck at such brilliance.

Ponzi, yes or no
I know I have posted this before, so will keep it short.

My Sweetie ad I donated about $10,000 to this scheme.

My Sweetie retired from this earth a couple of years ago, but in the meantime we collected nearly $198,000 from this horrible investment, and I continue to collect, but not for long, I hope.


Its Ponzi Jim
and Mr. Ponzi paid off early investors handsomely exactly so he could fleece those coming after. Those retiring in the near future will rarely recover the amounts paid in, let alone any interest or depreciation of buying power due to inflation. And as for those now just entering the job market.....

to Savage
Savage99 writes: Monday, November, 05, 2007 7:16 AM
Steve
"Miss Parker opines a nasty flock of chickens is coming home to roost. Do you agree? Disagree?Do you have any proposals to deal with the situation as you see it?"
......................................
Yes I do, but TownHall will only print self-righteous drivel, so there is no chance of my explaining myself here.

We reap what we sow, I agree. I find it hard to believe that we are in trouble for trying to help the poor; it is far more likely that we have been too accommodating of the strong, which has created the poor. She wants to give the strong more power and justification to be indifferent.

Miss Parker has gone from the frying pan into the fire, intellectually. She now begs like a pauper while selling her words. She was a better citizen when she was on welfare, now she is just another political hypocrite. Left or Right, the easiest way to get power is to tell people what they want to hear: ca-ching! Will we ever read the world of our pharisaic impulses?

If hurting people is the best way to help them, then we should send Osama a thank-you card, and put the schoolyard bully in charge of the classroom.

http://www.behappyandfree.com

major bs artist writes:
Move to Chile
Look instead of indulging in pointless arguements, why don't all you sheeple just up and leave for Chile with that juvenile delinquent Star Parker. Trust me, you won't be missed!!! Hasta la vista, baby.

Not until you move your sorry, stupid, simpering, socialist butt to Sweden.

no bs
Well, well, well. You pay in, then at retirement you get that money back! What a wonderful fairy tale! What if you die the day you turn 65? Do your heirs get "Your Money"? No, someone else gets it. What about all of the foreigners that move here, never pay in, and collect just like those of us that paid for years?

Steve
Wow, rhetoric alert. Warn us next time you "Speak truth to power", whatever that means. If we are helping the poor, then why do we still have so many poor? If we want to empower people, why do we do that by making dependent on the gummint for everything? I personally believe that providing employment, rather than handouts, is the way. That is done by kicking the economy into high gear by rewarding the risk takers, the entrepreneurs, the hardest workers (these three are usually the same people). One sure way to reverse it is to punish the hardest workers by taxing the snot out of them. Why work hard when the govt is just going to confiscate my money and then my future retirement earnings and then whatever I have left when I die? For the honor of being my brother's keeper? No, thanks. Charity was never obtained at the point of a government rifle.

Well, SteveL
It seems that James Madison disagrees with you:

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger
on that article of the Constitution
which granted a right to Congress of expending,
on the objects of benevolence,
the money of their constituents."



But then, hell, he's only the Father of the Constitution. What does HE know?


That was to "Steve", NOT SteveL
My mistake. Typo.

Part of Letter to the Editor,
printed Apr 10, 1993

You get what you pay for.

In the past decade, or thereabouts, liberals in Congress have spent about $1 trillion for a war on poverty, and now we have more poverty, more murder, more violence, more drug use, a reduction in the standard of living, less education and less of all the positive family values that were so abhorrent to liberals during the recent election.

On the other hand, conservative administrations have spent about $1 trillion for defense and we have reaped “peace in our time,” the end of the Cold War, most likely no World War III in our lifetime, or at least until another large scale leftist-liberal government raises its ugly head.


DEMS WANT SS UNDER THEIR SOCIALIST THUMB

.....Thanks USMC (RET) for pointing out what should be public knowledge but thanks to the Media and the lying Socialist Party ...is as mysterious and hidden from view as Hillarious Clintons memos ...

.....This fact just points out how ovine and totally unaware of their surroundings the mindless mass really are ...

.....All the GOP promises of private accounts for SS ...for medical IRA savings accounts ...for school vouchers ... for income tax reform were all DOA because the Dems were never going to allow any of it come to pass ...because their ultimate goal is a Socialist State and if Hillarious gets elected she will be the head Commisar ...

.....Semper Fi .....COLOSSUS

Why not, Steve?
"TownHall will only print self-righteous drivel, so there is no chance of my explaining myself here."

Your posts ARE self-righteous drivel, so this should be the perfect place for you...

Still Here Sheeple?????????
Hey why are you sheeple still here? I thought you'd all be running to Spanish class in preparation for your mass exodus to that Social Security hating utopia, Chile. Just think of all the pesos you'll be able to keep!

Ok I'll bite--conservative sheeple staunchly believe in self-determination and looking out for numero uno. None of this Nannystate crap for you, right??? OK, so what's stopping you from setting your own private savings account to prepare for your retirement? Do any of you have any IRAs or CD accounts in preparation for retirement. How about getting into a 401K plan through payroll deductions at work? Well??????

Put up or shut up sheeple.


WTF is the BS fartist on about?
Has anyone figured out what the h**l snobartist is trying to say? I am actually quite literate (having avoided American public schools), but I am unable to discern any logical thread in his/her/its postings beyond juvenile "graffiti" - what we would have called "wanking" back in The Olde Country.

Social Security
And the stupid sheeple, when polled, say they trust the Democrats with Social Security more than the Republicans!
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