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Monday, October 08, 2007
Star Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Perspectives on Jena
by Star Parker
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At this point, there seems little doubt about the ugliness that has simmered, and then boiled, in a little town in Louisiana called Jena.

There is a lot that has already been said, and done, about the latent racism in the town that led to the display of nooses on a tree. Racism that led, in reaction, to six black youths brutally beating a young white man, and then the subsequent disproportionate sentencing, in which those black youths could have served prison time for trumped-up murder charges.

Action has been taken, and will be taken, so that those charges, and the penalties paid, get into line.

But I want to address another aspect of this sad incident, and that is the message that is being sent to black youth across this country. From what I see and read, it is the wrong message.

This is the message engendered by the observation of the Rev. Jesse Jackson that the "Jena 6" affair is a "defining moment, just like Selma was a defining moment." And the further calling out by Jackson of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for not, in his opinion, focusing adequately on this incident.

The point is that Jena is not a defining moment like Selma, and Obama, and his current campaign for the presidency, is a major point of proof.

Both Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton made their own runs for the presidency. Jackson gained traction among black voters. Sharpton could not even do that.

But Obama's run is real. He is a genuine candidate who thus far has raised more money than any other candidate, Democratic or Republican.

In a Gallup poll done earlier this year, 94 percent of respondents said they would vote for a black candidate for president.

This would have been inconceivable at the time of Selma.

Obama is not leading the Democratic field at this point. But there seems little doubt that the reason he is polling No. 2, and not No. 1, has nothing to do with his race.

Today, at a time when our nation's relations and actions abroad have as much import on our welfare and security as they have ever had, a black woman from Alabama represents us internationally as our secretary of state. Although she works and speaks on behalf of every American of every color and background, surely Condoleezza Rice never forgets who she is, and her own roots in the rural South.

The chairmen of three Fortune 100 corporations are black men, and we see many black senior executives today in the ranks of our nation's largest corporations.

All the above, again, would have been inconceivable at the time of Selma.

But, more fundamentally, Selma was a time when the nation still was institutionally flawed regarding the reality that blacks, as citizens, faced.

As the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments followed the Civil War, so the Voting Rights Act of 1965 followed Selma.

The Rev. Martin Luther King pointed out that "It may be true that you cannot legislate morality, but behavior can be regulated." He observed that through legislation, he may not be able to get the other guy to love him, but he sure can use it to stop the guy from lynching him.

The chapter of history that Selma defined was a chapter when legislative action was needed to deal with the problem of race. In that sense, it was a defining moment.

But today, we do not have institutional problems. We have human problems.

Whereas King was correct -- that we can regulate behavior with legislation -- it is also true that this can only get us part of the way to solving our problems. Even after establishing legislative protections, we still have human reality to deal with. And in this sense, our achievements individually, and as a society, will only reflect our choices and qualities as individual human beings.

We just saw, in the grotesque case at Duke University, how charges of racism can be used as a political tool to serve the selfish goals of ambitious individuals. Sadly, the press, the NAACP, Sharpton, the president of Duke University and 88 members of the Duke faculty bought into the evil scheme of then-District Attorney Mike Nifong.

Black youth today must not submit to the politics of hatred, and not lose perspective that they live in a country that is free. They must not lose perspective that despite the limitations of the human condition -- that the tendency to do evil cannot be eradicated by legislation -- if they work hard, and keep their values intact, their dreams can be achieved.

So Jena is not a defining moment, but part of an ongoing reality toward which we must constantly be aware and toward which we must constantly be vigilant.

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Star Parker is the founder and president of CURE, the Coalition for Urban Renewal & Education, a 501c3 think tank which explores and promotes market based public policy to fight poverty, as well as author of White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects Inner City Decay.
 
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Former_Rep_Never_a_Dem
"While we do not ask for it nor do we want it the truth is you should be kissing our white butts"

Well, bend over and pull down your pants.

Although it would only be fair to warn you about the multitudes of flying feet.

"You could be living in Sudan or Dafur or Congo trying to scrape enough food and clean water together"

If people are supposed to kiss your butt in gratitude for not living in the impoverished conditions of Africa -- then you should first pay reparations for dragging them over here in chains in the first place.

Oh wait, YOU didn't drag anybody over in chains, did you? YOU never owned slaves. OK, that's right. Scratch the reparations.

So you can also scratch the "gratitude" garbage. If you're not responsible for slavery, then you're not responsible for blacks not being in Africa. Blacks owe you NOTHING.

This is the kind of crap that gives conservatives a bad rap. You don't have to pander and patronize like the Democrats, but you don't need to be insulting either.

Pull up your pants, man. Nobody wants to see your ugly butt, let alone kiss it.

Anthony -- Maladjusted Subjects
Heh -- I put the wrong subject on that last one --

AT: "Not only that, many Black conservatives will even go so far to try to minimize it's effect by suggesting "paranoia" or "wolf crying" by blacks. For those blacks that genuinely experience racism in its ugliest form, this is a slap in the face."

I would suggest to you that the real slap in the face to people who are victims of genuine racism, is all the myriad cases where it really IS just crying "wolf".

The "Jena 6" is a perfect example. Calling this a case of "white racism" is a slap in the face to people who have truly experienced racism. This is not a case of racism on the part of whites: this is a case of a group of thugs who are accused of some very serious crimes. Calling this a racial issue DILUTES the seriousness of REAL racism.

The only honest debate in this issue is whether or not these thugs, one of whom has already had 5 priors, should be tried as adults for attempted murder, or merely tried as juveniles for aggravated assault.

People are jumping up and down over this story. The MSM is eating it up -- WOW, another story about RACISM! Glue those eyeballs to the tube!

So -- if a black conservative looks at this story and decides they're making a racial issue out of something that is NOT a racial issue -- DON'T YOU THINK IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO POINT THAT OUT??

The MSM is certainly not going to.

Anthony -- Face Slapping
AT: "a black conservative never misses an opportunity to take cheap shots at African Americans who reveal and fight against racism when they encounter it. These same black conservatives refuse to side with their fellow African American brother and sisters when a racial injustice actually occurs."

First of all, why is it a "cheap shot" to point out where many blacks ARE crying "wolf"?

And where has racial injustice ACTUALLY occurred?

The problem is, you've become so ingrained with the victimhood mentality until racism is your FIRST thought whenever some issue occurs. SOMETIMES the problem is NOT RACISM.

But you'll never hear that side from the MSM. They have learned that dealing the race card means ratings. Even if racism has nothing whatsoever to do with a particular issue.

Remember, these are the same media who will not cover those positive sessions you mentioned -- good news is no news -- so you should have learned by now that you can not take their stories at face value.

But this should demonstrate just how color-blind American society has become. Bad things generate ratings, so the media trumps out the bad things, very often making them appear worse than they are. Crises generate ratings. Disasters generate ratings.

Racism generates ratings.

It generates ratings because it's a Bad Thing. Like every other bad thing they report, the MSM will exaggerate the badness to increase ratings. If Americans didn't consider racism to be a "bad thing", this wouldn't be true.

Remember that next time you hear a story about some "Bad Thing." Ask the question: is it really that bad, or are they just trying to generate ratings?

Anthony -- on Black Conservatives
AT: "I say all this because it seems the only time African Americans are given attention is when we criticize white America and some of the racism that along with our own shortcomings, remains a hurdle for black America."

Well, I'm sorry, Anthony, if the MSM doesn't cover the issues you want them to cover and the way you want them to cover them.

This is certainly not the fault of black conservatives, who, I'm sure you'd concede, are just as unhappy about media coverage as you are.

AT: "Black Conservatives tend to join in this by siding with their fellow GOP brothers and sisters in painting African Americans as "lazy" opportunistic "racial racketeers"."

No, this is simply not correct.

Indeed, black conservatives are the ones who will tell you how strong and successful blacks are in this country. It's Larry Elder who will tell you that blacks, taken as a separate country, would be the 16th wealthiest in the world. It's Thomas Sowell who will tell you that, controlling for all other factors, blacks with a given experience and a given degree in a given field, make just as much money as counterparts from other races.

Where perhaps you part company with black conservatives is in those cases where some blacks ARE lazy, or ARE racketeers, or ARE thuggish, but, BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK, the media gives them a "Free Pass."

You know, this same media you just said won't cover these sessions with Tavis Smiley, where liberals get together and agree with conservatives about self-improvement. This same media that only shows up, according to you, when blacks criticize white America for their problems.

Braveheart, Flagwaver give me a break
Braveheart
You should not enter into a battle of wits, logic and knowlege if you are unarmed. You repeated false information regarding the "Jena 6" case and when slwerner called you out on it instead of providing credible evidence or sources supporting your version of the events in Jena you focus on trying to hide the fact that a non-black person knows more about black history than you do. When slwerner asked you to provide sources to support your beliefs regarding Jackson's and King's relationship you go for the desperate man's trump card by claiming you were there.

Flagwaver,

While we do not ask for it nor do we want it the truth is you should be kissing our white butts in gratitude. You could be living in Sudan or Dafur or Congo trying to scrape enough food and clean water together so you had the energy to avoid being killed by some genocidle mob or to recover from malaria or to live with aids. Many have said it but it remains true. If you don't like the way your treated here in America you are free to leave.

Fortune 500?
Who cares? Main thing is the Small Businesses owned/operated (and thriving) by minorities, blacks especially. The growth in that field of small business ownership, AND home ownership...? There's where you should focus.
There are outstanding numbers.

More to Black Knight
I neglected to mention that your "3/500" supposes that none of the other 400 companies that didn't make the top 100 have black CEO's. Do you have certain knowledge of this?

Reply to Black Knight
Well, I'd have to rate your post a "D" on logic, and an "F" for math.

The Fortune 500 rankings have not existed for 388 years. That asumption of yours was simple absurd.

Star Parker has tried to provide a rational and realistic example of how blacks can overcome and succeed. It involves ditching the victim mentality, stop living in the long-ago past, and start applying oneself to take advantage of the innumerable opportunities this great country has to offer.

Her own rise from poverty came from her focusing on the positive rather than the negative. The advancement of blacks to high positions ought to be a source of pride. That's why Parker brings it up. But you can only complain that it's not enough. Yet if more blacks would stop making the excuse of "the man" holding them down, and actually start taking advantage of the opportunities give to them, starting in school so as to get an education, perhaps blacks would find themselves represented by more than 3% of CEO's at Fortune 100 companies - perhaps 12 or 13%, in keping with their percentage of overall population.

Oh, and 3/500 = 0.006 is 0.6%. That's six-tenths of one percent. Zero points here.

Who's the idiot?
braveheart,

I certainly don't claim to be an expert On the civil rights movement, nor any of the players involved. However, I can search out information. I asked a fairly simple question of you. I asked if you could provide any reference to support your claims. I've looked through information on numerous sites, and have yet to find anything at all which lines up with your assertions. So, seeing as how you believe me to be an idiot, why didn't you prove me the fool by providing references?

Also, do you consider me to be an idiot because I only know the "official line" (as being taught in schools), and what I've read from credible sources; and do not know about all your double-super-secret insider information? Or is it just that I dare to disagree with your undocumented and unsubstantiated account of civil-rights history? My, how impertanant of some white guy to challenge your omniscience.

Oh, I do apologize. I didn't realize that God himself spoke directly through you. Once again, my bad.


Reply To Star Parker
"The chairmen of three Fortune 100 corporations are black men, and we see many black senior executives today in the ranks of our nation's largest corporations, (SP)."

That represents six thousandths of a percent of the Fortune 500, (3/500 = .006).

Since 1619, 388 years, (2007-1619 = 388), or 4656 months, or 20,176 weeks, or 141,620 days, we only have 3 CEOs of the Fortune 500, and Star Parker appears to rate that as an "A," in race relations.

I rate it "F."





Martin Luther would...

Be disgusted with Sharpton, Jesse J., B.E.T., Rap music, and Democrats in general...

Martin was a conformist type. He believed in Jesus with all his heart. His traditional upbringing and beliefs, would make him a conservative in every measure. Martin could not lie, cheat, or steal. He was not a politician. Cunning and slyness were not in his genes. Martin was intelligent, hardworking, and looked at life according to the Gospel. All things were possible to Martin.

Martin wanted all men to be treated equal, for he knew that all men were created equal.

He was a great Republican!

Dear Martin... We miss your leadership.

So, Now Jackson Was King's Righthand Man
I hate to keep saying this, however, you know little. How could Jesse Jackson have been Martin Luther King's right hand man?! Will someone out there who knows tell this idiot that Jackson was a young upstart to Rev. King. The Chicago wing of Operation Breadbasket was named the Martin Luther King Workshop. Jackson, like all the other people who were there from around the country on the day of King's death, were there for a demonstration. By the way,I know of what I speak. Not because I read something in some book. I know because, I like a lot of other people, was there to see and hear. And with each successive post you prove yourself to be the idiot by product of either miseducation of your own self-delusion.

Wish I'd mentioned this yesterday -
Brazil imported SIX times as many slaves as the US (sugar cane, the mines, coffee plantations; city and home help) until outlawed in 1888, almost 25 years after Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation. And, while there have been a few “troubled times” in the past, especially in the Northeastern parts of Brazil, generally speaking, blacks appear to be doing very well in Brazil -- Rio, Sao Paulo and the Southern regions especially. Those problems which exist today appear to be economic ones, education (or the lack thereof) and “class.” And that transcends color! Whatever problems they’re having do not seem to be racial, and I’m not aware of any Affirmative Action either. The reason, as I see it, one word – assimilation. Intermarriage or mixed marriages? Lots of that, absolutely. Blacks in Brazil aren’t blacks, they’re Brazilians – they’ve assimilated! Can’t overemphasize that. And I don’t even know whether the word “reparations” is in their dictionary – it’s certainly nothing you’re likely to hear in Rio. They may have “quotas” in hiring, but they deal with numbers of people, not the color of their skin. Black bosses, business-owners and supervisors are most everywhere – the respect factor is obvious. It’s no big deal, literally! Educated, well-read? It would certainly appear so. And, by the same token, most blacks wear their hair short, businesslike, dress conservatively, like their caucasian brethren. No “do-rags” or hats worn crookedly, and I’d guess that less than 1/10th of 1-percent wear “cornrows” – the teeth aren’t capped with ostentatious “grills” and there are no scowling, swaggering “attitudes” in Brazil. Period. The blacks just Get Along with everyone else, no sweat, because they’re all Brazilians! But again, the magic word is assimilation – and I don’t have the vaguest idea how to import that concept to the US from Brazil.

Oops!
I just realized that in my previous post (Tuesday, October, 09, 2007 4:14 PM) I neglected to convey that I was responding to poster braveheart's response to me (Tuesday, October, 09, 2007 3:24 PM).

My bad!

And you, sir, are a simpleton
to believe everything you read from conspiracy-theory websites.

If Je$$e was set-up by white leftists, please explain how Martin Luther Kings right-hand man stepping into the vacuum left by his death, and subsequently perverting his message was not, in fact set up by Earl Ray, rather than by these unnamed white leftists you suggest.

And, just when did white leftists setting up Jackson become "common knowledge"? Can you provide any credible evidence that if not for these supposed influence peddlers that he would have simply faded away. I’ll give that they certainly intended to help him out, but he was already a notable player in the civil-rights movement.

And, just when did MLK send Jesse off to Chicago to be rid of him? The "common knowledge" (based on photographs) was that Jesse was standing there with Martin when he was shot.

As to Operation Breadbasket, wikipedia has this…”Operation Breadbasket was founded as a department of Martin Luther King Jr.'s Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) in 1962. Nearly all the early activities were in Atlanta and other Southern cities.” Seems that neither was it established by Jackson, nor in Chicago.

So, let me play along with you for a moment. If the truth is so easily elucidated with a little research, why don’t you point me in the right direction? Surely you can suggest dozens of credible sites with well document treatises, right? Or, is it just going to be more of the fevered imaginations of wacko conspiracy-theorists?

FYI, Republicans trying to sabotage the Democrats by supporting Sharpton is NOT the same thing as trying to use his shenanigans to assuage their white-racist guilt. Maybe making such claims is your own attempt to deflect your own uncomfortable feelings of uneasiness regarding your own racism?

And, as far as my association with reality, I’ll stick to the reality of my universe – you can keep yours.

The Jena Controversy
With respect to the “Jena” controversy, the problem w/ most hyphenated-Americans is the fact that they routinely throw their whole energies at such isolated incidents of “injustice.” Why? Because it conveniently distracts them from hard reality: today’s Hyphenated-American’s are victims of their own stupid behavior (i.e., 70% illegitimacy, 50% school drop out, 25% prison incarceration, pro-violence subculture, etc.) more often than they are victims of overt “legal double standards”. I doubt that the six thugs in question are “National Honor Society” members. One in particular was apparently charged w/ a previous assault on a 17-year old girl. Cry me a river folks.

braveheart: Really?
"Jesse Jackson was at constant war with Martin Luther King. King finally sent him home to Chicago, that is when he started Operation Breadbasket and his notorious association with liberal money. It is a fairly easy story to research."

Really? That's why Jesse Jackson was on the balcony the day Dr. King was assassinated, apparently held him in his arms as he slowly bled to death & proceeded to wear the blood-soaked dress shirt for the next three(3) as a sign of solidarity to the late Dr. King?

Who is the fool but the no person who has access to an incomplete history & cites it as gospel? You presume to know too much.

You Know Little
Slwerner:
You are either a young idiot, or and old fool, if you don't know that Jesse Jackson was set up by white leftists. This is common knowledge. A little research will show you where he came from and just how he got there. Jesse Jackson was at constant war with Martin Luther King. King finally sent him home to Chicago, that is when he started Operation Breadbasket and his notorious association with liberal money. It is a fairly easy story to research. Sharpton is a latter-day version of Jackson - just more coarse, and less attractive. Again, do just a little research. During the last presidential election and Sharpton was making rumblings about running, it was all over the internet that he not only recieved money from lestist, but also from, surprise, surprise republicans who had their own reasons. The rest of your post also proves that you are loosely associated with reality.

To Braveheart, part 3
Sharpton and Jackson were not “set up” by whites on either the left or the right. They have always been self-promoting race-agitators-for-profit who have managed to set themselves up quite nicely ($). Yes, the left will use them to benefit their own goals. But the right does not use them to assuage guilt as you suggest. The right simply detests them for playing anything and everything into a racial issue for money.

Your correct that racism still exists in America. But, today, in the year 2007 (and for 20+ years running), black racism (and associated violence) have far, far outweighed white racism.

The undisputable reality is that blacks are given every chance to succeed, and in fact are given help not available to whites to achieve such a goal. That’s right! (racist) America wants for blacks to succeed, and does a great deal to encourage it. What really holds blacks down is their own “community” disfunctionality (which they refuse to “face the truth” regarding), and their seething racial resentment of whites – which they shamelessly blame for any and all personal failings.

So Braveheart, show the courage your chosen “handle” implies. Face the truth – the real truth. The incident(s) in Jena is not the great beacon as to the stifling racism of white American’s – America is not an evil country, worthy of scorn and hatred by liberals. The incidents of Jena were (deliberately) misreported and misinterpreted in an attempt to make such a point. The Jena 6 are still thugs. The prostitute Crystal Gail Mangum was not raped. And, blacks will need to throw off their imagination of themselves as perpetual victims if they are ever to succeed.

To Braveheart, part 2
And, your “the racist acts that the black kids in that town have experienced over the course of their lives” commentary is wholly outweighed by the evident that has come out revealing the so-called “Jena 6” were nothing more than a gang of thugs who had target the citizens of Jena (both black and white) on many occasions. And, you should have become aware by now that they set upon the white student not in retaliation for the noose incident (which would NOT have justified the attack anyway, FYI), but rather because he had “disrespected them” for laughing about how one of their number had been beaten up for trying to crash a party.

You can cling to the “Fable of Jena” if you choose, but in the efforts to paint the US as a bastion of racism, it will ultimately be as big a looser as Twana Brawly and the Duke rape hoax. (do you still “believe” in those frauds as well?) But, repeating the lies of supposed white-oppression will only serve to build hatred of whites in you children, which, in turn, will hold them back from enjoying the potential this great country offers them. If only you could “Face The Truth”.

As to your other nonsense - “no matter how egregious, no matter how racist the acts that are perpetrated against black people by whites in America nowadays…”

Such as?

Such as the Wichita Massacre? Collin Ferguson’s racist murder spree? Or how about the more recent carjacking-kidnapping-rape-torture-murder of the two young white people by a gang of black thugs?

What? You never heard of these incidents? Well, that’s because “…no matter how egregious, no matter how racist…” these acts were, they were committed against whites by blacks – and were therefore of little interest to the liberal media. They are unlike the incidents (real or fabricated) of white attacks on blacks which are clearly NOT “dismissed or diminished and buried”, but rather become national events.

To Braveheart, part 1
braveheart writes – “Do Our Kids A Favor - Face The Truth”

Gee, Braveheart, and just what would that “truth” be?

I see by your open remarks that you are still stuck in the state of understanding of the event from three weeks ago. It’s unlikely that you’ll be able to move beyond the lies you’ve adopted whole(brave)heartedly, and allow yourself to be enlightened; but:

There is nothing to suggest that there was some sort of formal understanding that the tree in question was “for whites only”. It was simply a place where white students tended to sit. No one “went” to the principle to ask to sit under the tree. The question was posed, jokingly, at a student rally, poking fun at the common knowledge that whites tended to gather at that place. Credible accounts of the event suggest the remark got a good laugh from the student body.

There is nothing in the growing body of evidence that black students went and sat defiantly under the tree, ala Rosa Parks, “breaking social norms.”

And, further, it information released from the Jena school district supports the idea that the noose hangers DID NOT intend it as a “threat of death”, but rather as a school-spirit prank aimed at a rival school. Only race-obsessed blacks would still be so ignorant to believe, as you wrote – “It was a racist act that implied mob violence”

Mac
Good story. Now if we multiply it by 100 we get the black experience. The questions are, are you still angry or affected by your experience? How have you passed your experiences on to your children? Did you ever drive or take the train south into Delaware or Maryland and use segregated facilities? I agree with you 100% about Sharpton and Jackson; and it shouldn’t automatically be about race. But you and I are still alive. Those things you described aren’t history in a book. That was your life. Only time will quench the fires that still burn in some hearts, especially with folks like Sharpton and Jackson fanning the flames.

Carlos
So..... what are you going to do about it?

Why is it Always Racism?
Star:
I grew up In West Philly back in the 60s. Those were turbulent times. Neighborhoods were becoming inter-racaial. Some whites moved, others stayed. We stayed and tried to make a go of it. Once the neighborhood became predominately Black we were made to feel very unwelcome. Our house was broken into, our car was stolen. Of the white businesses that remained many were robbed, two were killed...including the druggist that I worked for as a teenager. This went on all over big cities in America but was always downplayed by the media. Now if one whacky white person even looked at a blck person the wrong way, the media ran with the racism stories. Talk about a double standard, which still exists to this day. Truth if that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, though they may have done a small bit of good, are opportunist, race baiters who have caused more harm to the state of race relations than any 100 white bigots. There is opportunity for anyone whom works hard, is educated and speaks and acts professionaly.

Racism has ancient
biological roots that no longer serve any race. Overt deliberate expressions of racism usually come from cheap shot artists, grasping at any straw which enables their desire to feel taller by chopping someone else off at the knees. These same people typically cheap shots at members of their own race when situations provide the chance. My point is that racism is just one facet of man's inhumanity to man. It is no better or worse than other forms of anti-social cruelty. It is as ubiquitous as thievery or lying. Sophisticated people consider the source--a flawed person almost always coming from misery and feelings of despair and victimhood. Trying to get even is an awful lot of work, so much that it nearly always prevents one from getting ahead. Blacks and whites alike often make the mistake, when injured by a member of another race, that race was part of the injury, a hate crime as it were. Sometimes this is indeed the case. But hardly invariably. The white man who cheats a black person is almost always cheating everyone he can, black or white. The black mugger can hardly be supposed to be a pillar of virtue on his own turf. Somehow it is automatic to bring race into it when injury occurs across racial lines. God bless us when we are able to consider merely the character of the perpetrators, one by one.

Len
FYI

The 2 "white BOYS' that dragged a black man behind their pickup when Bush was governor are on DEATH ROW for their crime,
so what is YOUR point?

carlos
the dims have realized that for them promoting racism is a winning issue. While living south and in particular while in SC there were always the charges made by the dims that southern racists used code words to promote further racism. Exactly what these alledged code words are I have never been able to find out. The missus clinton has also told how she knows of secret meetings held down dark roads where racist repubs get together to hold meetings promoting racism. But again no proof to ever back up this idiocy. But knowing the missus clinton's compulsion to believe in conspiracies it comes as no surprise she pushes this nonsense as she knows that without the black vote she can never win any election nor can dims win statewide or national elections

Good points LS

If the Democrats would stop the constant barrage of "false racism"... The problems would go away.

The worst racists are in prison.. or on their way. The White Democrats just love to split the races...

Just think, if a child in America didn't hear the word Racism 10,000 times by 5th grade....

The child would never become a racist.

Democrats promote racism.

The DA tried, but ...
"those that hung the noose did get off too lightly. they need to be punish in court as well whether criminally or legally [civilly?] they are threatening, bullying, and terrorizing to say the least."

Except the DA DID try to prosecute them. There was just one little problem: those who placed the nooses in the tree BROKE NO LAW - there was NO CRIME! You cannot punish anyone for *not* breaking the law.

I don't know what you meant by "punish legally", but assuming you meant "civilly" - that they should be sued - there has to be some actual damage before you can recover. Since there was no harm, there was, again, no cause to punish them.

Finally, while I have not read it in situ, there is an eyewitness account that gives us some understanding about the infamous nooses. According to the version I did see:

a. They were not racial, they were part of a school Pep Rally ahead of an upcoming game against the rival "Cowboys" - the nooses were to encourage the Jena high School Might Giants to hang 'em high - 'em being the Cowboys.

b. The nooses were painted Black and Gold, the JHS colors. To assume they were a racist threat is odd, to say the least.

c. The students didn't make anything of this, but some parents heard about them. They made a big deal of it. As far as I can tell, they simply made a mountain of an ant hill.

d. The nooses preceded the beating by months. No
crime of passion defense is possible. Months, if we assume a connection between the two events, requires the beating to have been *premeditated*.

Bringing up the nooses is a non sequitor: The two events were not related. But, if they were, it makes the Jena 6 even more thuggish than they are understood to be because they planned this heinous attack for months.

Government-run schools are evil
because, inter alia, they take
resources from one family to
educate the children of another.

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Ralphy...

I assume you cannot receive Detroit radio broadcast where you live? I do.

These groups of Democrats spew "white racism" from every angle. Before every election, the Democrat radio, church, and community centers, question the "racism" of every single Republican and Democrat who is not a socialist.

And, if you happen to be the non-socialist Black candidate... You are refered to as the "white candidate".

Carlos
Concentrate on you. Talk about problems, you've got a WHOLE lot.

The Problem with Black America...

Are the Liberal-Progressive conspiracy theories. There is no stopping Black Hate until someone stops the Liberal lie-machine.

These poor kids think that "every" white person belongs to some secret "Racist Club".

Until we start public "Caning" of Democrats who spread lies, everything will remain the same.


A couple of questions, ExiledPlatypus
About that kid you knocked out: how many friends did you have helping you? How many prior convictions did you have at the time? How many bystanders did it take to stop you and your friends from stomping his unconscious body?

Apples and oranges.

Randy 2
As for you claims that not standing for the anthem denotes some sort of ingratitude, and that is owed to some mass of Whites---you can miss me with that. If that is the case, then the stands at Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte, NC was filled with a lot of ingrates who were talking, drinking, and kept their hats on during the anthem---and most of them were White. Since you somehow became the voice of White America, could you tell me if White America was upset with their actions?

I wrote a post at my blog today that you just might want to read, as it addresses the exact type of attitude that you are embodying in your post.

But before I go let me clue you in on something else: According to most conservatives here at Townhall, there are no White Americans or African Americans, or Native Americans---just Americans. So why is it that you have taken the stance that Black Americans owe White folks some great debt of gratitude? Our blood, sweat, and tears have comingled with those of Americans of every ethnicity in building this nation and defending it since its inception---so how in the blue hell do you presume to tell us that we owe ANYONE any debt of gratitude! I, and we are as much Americans as anyone---and I will not abide you trying to act as if we have some special obligation above and beyond those of every other American!

Randy
I suppose that you think that Blacks are supposed to kiss your White butt for "giving" us freedoms or something. Well dude, let me explain something to you: Black men ahve served this country in every war or military conflict in its history and they have served with honor and distinction. My wife's grandfather and my great uncle served in WW2, my ucle served in Vietnam and my father was slated to serve but was given a last monut deferment because he was married with 3 children at home. My brother served in the mid to late 1990s in the Army and only recently left the National Guard. I have a brother in law that graduated from West point, and a sister in law that skipped college to join the Marines--during this current conflict. No White man and his service gave them a damned thing--they, and we have earned it!

As for the "thugs" and "ingrates" that deigned to stand during the anthem, i would assume that your tongue would be just as sharp if it were a group of White kids? or do they get a pass because they look like you, so that it would be passed off as a "boys will be boys" situation?

ANTHONY THOMAS PART TWO

.....There is no bitterness or hatred in my heart for blacks ...my conscience is clear ...I don't know that I can say the same for you Anthony ...I think you are warped by your hatred of whites ...you have an "its us against them" mentality ...it is a war with you and Whitey is the enemy ...that is why you hate black Conservatives and call them "Uncle Toms" ...because in your eyes they have gone over to the other side and are traitors ...or worse ..."Uncle Toms" ...

.....Have you ever read the book "Uncle Tom's Cabin"? ...if you had you would know that Tom was the hero of that novel ...a practicing Christian of principle with a strong character ...much like Clarence Thomas who you call a self hater and who you despise so much ...

.....If you would remove the bitterness and hatred from your heart Anthony ...you would find peace ...instead you are eternally conflicted by your own personal demons of racism .....COLOSSUS

ANTHONY THOMAS PART ONE

.....Whenever you write of racism ...it is always white-racism ...do you deny that black-racism exists? ...

.....If you read my 11:46 post you would know that I believe that the main problem between the races is not so much skin color but a difference of cultures ...Blacks have an Afrocentric culture ...and Whites have an Anglo/Saxon culture ...and I think that these cultural differences will always keep us apart and separate ...

.....That is not to say that we could not co-exist peacefully ...but that each would be more comfortable with and have a preference for their own culture ...to put all this under the umbrella of "white-racism" is simplistic and dishonest of you ...continued in part two .....COLOSSUS

braveheart, re your 11:07 post,
I'm with you-
Folks, sorry, but unless you've walked in someone else's shoes, it's hard to say just how you would feel or react.

I hate to say it, but if my bi-racial young adult children were hit with that particular inflammatory word, likely as not they would react in a similar fashion.

another view
It is deplorable that we live in a society where symbols, rightly or wrongly interpreted can cause so much anguish and hard feelings.
There was a story in a blog (I apologize for not saving the site) about Jena that stated that the "nooses" were in the school colors and were directed at a local school rivalry. (football game)
Would it not change the whole gist of the situation if the main-stream media conveniently "forgot" to include that in the story??

good
stuff

Star - on target article
The incident in Jenna is not a racist issue even though some would have us believe so. For those who would like to make it so , can only be classified as racist themselves. This can only be described as gangster type thuggery at best. These type of individuals should should be sentenced at the maximum penalty possible, White or black!

Anthony

I thought you might visit this thread.

Listen, my friend... of course, there is racism left in this country, and all of it is absolutely despicable and shameful.

But I sincerely believe that if you are really to live a more happy life... you are just flat going to have to walk away from two things. And both will take great courage.

First, you need to accept just how self-destructive the ideology of victimization can be. And it really is so incredibly seductive, because it gives you or anyone else an automatic excuse to abdicate all sort of personal responsibilities and play the run-around-in-circles no-win blame game.

Second, you need to recognise that it has been liberal principles like welfare, for example, that have absolutely shredded the two-parent black family, which is now the main cause of so much pain and tragedy. Not just do most liberal principles not work, Anthony... they actually hurt the very people they are intended to help.

And, IF you... somehow... manage to walk away from these two, there will without a doubt be h*ll to pay. Friends will walk away, and you will be called the worst of names. And it will hurt.

But I bet that you then will really be able to compete and to focus on the most productive of things. And I also bet that your skills will improve and that you will as a result have more green stuff in your hip national bank.

But most of all, I bet that you could easily become what so many young people so desperately need today... a true role model.

Food for thought, my friend.




Jena 6
I find it amazing that we in this country have forgotten about "Let the punishment fit the crime".

I do think the Jena6 need to be prosecuted completely and thoroughly. Knocking someone unconscious then continuing to beat on them while unconscious is beyond the pale in so many ways.

However, those that hung the noose did get off in my opinion too lightly. It doesn't justify letting the Jena6 off lightly, but it does say that they need to be punish in court as well whether criminally or legally. While I would never say nooses' are on the level of attempted murder they are threatening, bullying, and terrorizing to say the least. Three days suspension does not fit the crime.

Anthony Thomas
There is some wisdom in your post except you negate any criticism coming from other blacks because they are conservative instead examining whether the criticism itself is warranted. Just because someone is black and conservative does not mean that they are negated and don't count.

Over $14,000 in hospital bills
I've read witness information today indicating the victim was knocked unconscious with a weight lifting bar. In addition to kicking and stomping, witnesses said the six thugs were slamming the boy's head against the concrete. Thank God there were those present with the courage to intervene before they did kill him.


Thanks, Walt,
I'll do it.

Duck, please tell me you're not serious.

Exiled
Ok, you were in a fight, you managed to knock the kid out. NOW, the kids out cold, you begin kicking and stomping on him as he lays there unconcious, unable to defend himself, what is that? That is clearly attempted murder. You are no longer trying to simply defeat him, he's been defeated, you are now trying to kill him.

The kid beaten in Jena was knocked out cold from the get go, then stomped and kicked, not just by one, but by a group. The kid is VERY lucky he was able to walk out of the hospital that day, lucky he was able to live.

It is indisputable that were this a case of 6 white kids on a black kid the charges would be harsh, PLUS a federal hate crime piled on top.

The real double standard lays not in the punishment, but the outrage over the punishment.

anthony 2
When Duke happenned all the liberal blacks and liberal whites immediately assumed white boys guilty; black girl= purity and honesty.
Now, we have the first case of prejudice; that is the assumption without any evidence that white boys rape black girls.
And the DA appealed to black people like you as the protector of black woman hood and insured his election on what was a racial appeal to blacks who bought into it. White racism; college boys raping black girls.
The only racism there was toward white to take advantage of non=thinking blacks who fell for it and voted for the DA. I fear that had you lived there in NC, you would have fallen into the same mindset.

Now Jena. Some white students hung a noose. White racism. the boys were white; so does that make it white racism. They were punished by the school(not a crime FYI as judged by DA and black fed pros).
IF the Jena 6 had kicked your mother as they did the guy, I doubt you would be loving. And further you might be annoyed that they already had records like the guy who just shot the 2 ex cops in phila. Am I racist to assume the shooter was black. No. Probability is on my side.

You are dreaming too much about being lynched. Relax, It is not the whites who you have to fear when you walk down Germantown Ave at 2am. Is that racist? No, A fact.
I see nowhere where black conservatives have defended the KKK or anyone who did an injustice to blacks.

Re-write your essay with specifics of how black conservatives have promoted violence against blacks or excused law officers for not protecting blacks. The trouble with you Anthony is no one has held you to high journalistic standards. You are a preacher with vague generalities that cannot be chalanged because there are no specifics. I am the first to chalange you to defend what you say by specifics. Thank me. It will make you a better writer.


A pox on both your houses
1. Having a "white tree" - Bad
2. Hanging nooses in it - Bad
4. White kid shouting racial epithets to Black kids - Bad (and stupid)
5. Black kids beating up white kid - Bad (and a crime)
6. Convicting the 5-time offender as an adult - OK

Obviously there are some racial issues here that need to be addressed, but no good will come by either side blaming the other entirely for the incident. There is plenty of blame for all sides here. This issue has pleny of gray area. Generalizations and continued race baiting (on both sides) will do no good.

Peoples are peoples. Maybe one day we will realize that, but I think that is still a couple of generations away. We should still try though.

You sow what you repeat -
The "six black youths brutally beating a young white man, and then the subsequent disproportionate sentencing" got disproportionate sentences because no one has died from a picture (not even muslims) but many have died from brutal beatings.

anthony
Question: If you had a choice to be celibate or give up using the word "white racism" which would you choose. If I had to bet, you would choose celibacy.

Where is the white racism. What kind of English is this. Suppose, I see you on the street and punch you out because I feel like hitting a black. IS this white racism? Or am I just kooky? Will the police who view this arrest you instead of me?

When we talked about slavery, we talked about a whole society in the south as slaveholders. So saying rich whites had slaves makes sense. Or when we talk of racist Germqny, it makes sense because it refers to a whole nation.

So when you use white racism, it has no referent. What are you talking about.

A while back, when Bush gov of TX, two white guys pulled a black kid to death behind their truck. Is this white racism? Not quite or at all. Two individuals. Anyway to have stopped it? No, We always have people doing violent things. Were they punished. Yes. What would you like Sowell to make a speech about the evil white boys who did this. The govt did its job. Period. Nothing more to say.


ExiledPlatypus
You're right, knocked out is not attempted murder---IF it stops there. In the case of the Jena 6, it did not.

The kid was immediately knocked unconscious and the Jena 6 kept kicking, stomping and beating him. It would be like watching a pack of wolves toss around a dead rabbit for a few minutes.

In this circumstance, I would have to believe it was attempted murder.

Knock Out is Not Attempted Murder
While I believe these attackers should be charged for the crime the honest look reveals the kid was okay and attended a school event that evening after the beating.

When I was in school I was baited into a fight and in the conflict managed to land a punch that knocked the kid out. He was helped to his feet and spent a few minutes at the nurses station. While I was suspended from school for three days, it would have been insane for me to be charged with attempted murder.

The kids were thugs, they deserved to be punished, but this was not an attempted murder act on their part and it was wrong that they were charged as such.

Sorry, Star
I can't get past the fact that these thugs suckerpunched a boy, then continued to kick and stomp him while he lay there unconscious. Mychael Bell was convicted of his fifth violent crime. He deserved to be tried as an adult.

If the races were reversed, the Reverends (and I use the term very loosely) Jackson and Sharpton would have been crying "hate crime" and pushing for life imprisonment.

Black Conservatives, race, jena part 2
Black Conservatives tend to join in this by siding with their fellow GOP brothers and sisters in painting African Americans as "lazy" opportunistic "racial racketeers". In fact, a black conservative never misses an opportunity to take cheap shots at African Americans who reveal and fight against racism when they encounter it. These same black conservatives refuse to side with their fellow African American brother and sisters when a racial injustice actually occurs. Not only that, many Black conservatives will even go so far to try to minimize it's effect by suggesting "paranoia" or "wolf crying" by blacks. For those blacks that genuinely experience racism in its ugliest form, this is a slap in the face.

In short, Black conservatives are apologist for white racism. This is why they are popular amongst the GOP and websites like Townhall. They allow racist whites to feel justified in their own distorted views and attitudes about race. This is why they are hated by African Americans! Not because of their focus on self-reliance and hard work, but for their indifferent and almost contemptuous feelings towards blacks that don't pretend that racism is a thing of the past. I have read on townhall for entire year now, and not once have I known any of the black conservatives to condemn the racism that African Americans genuinely experience.


This article is an extension of this tradition



Black Conservatives, race and jena
I have written about Jena 6 several times on several other threads and arguing the same old points at this juncture would be a bit of a waste of time.

However I would like to take this time to make some observations about black conservatives and their relationship with the black community and others.

One of the most common misconceptions about the disdain felt by African Americans towards black conservatives is that it derives from black conservatives tendency towards criticism of the African American community. And that African American's view this criticism as a sort of exercise in self-hate. This is not true.

There are many African American liberals who are just as critical towards of the behavior of the African American community as a Sowell, Parker or Elder. One only need watch "The State of black America" hosted by Tavis Smiley on CSpan every year to hear some of this rhetoric. There are countless professionals and activist from all walks of life who come to discuss the possible solutions to many problems that exist in our community. Most of what is discussed is what African Americans can do to help themselves to improve their quality of life. During these discussions, many conservatives’ values like marriage, non-violence, and the focus on obtaining an education are discussed. Like African American conservatives, criticism of so called "ganster culture" is discussed as well. Al Sharpton has even said during one of these summits that he was "tired of presiding over funerals of unproductive Negroes" None of this gets coverage!

I say all this because it seems the only time African Americans are given attention is when we criticize white America and some of the racism that along with our own shortcomings, remains a hurdle for black America.


trumped-up murder charges....
This is where Star and I part ways.

I would assume that a fight is considered "done" once the opponent is knocked unconscious. Not to the so-called hero's of the Jena 6.

No, the town heroes beat and kicked repeatedly an unconscious man. They had to be pulled off of the man. Who attacks voraciously an unconscious person? For what gain? Death, perhaps?

Race has nothing to do with this. It's Rage. The Jena 6 are thugs, criminals and should be charged with attempted murder.

jena and racism
we keep hearing about the offensive tree. But at many universities there are many reports of asreas in cafeterias and student lounges that have been staked out as for blacks only. What makes this form of segregation any more acceptable than the events in jena. Clinging to the cross of victimization only keeps it's adherents pertetual victims. But when the race hustlers jackson and sharpton show up that is their only message

Nice touch
It was a nice touch that one of the Jena 6 thugs who jumped one person could be released from jail with applause and hugs/embraces from the likes of Sharpton.

If these "cevil rights activists" can't distinguish between Selma and Jenna, then the movement is long past dead and heading into very bad regions.

This is what happens when an organization outstays its usefulness. Inter-marriage and integration have never been more common, yet racism, they claim, has never been stronger. I guess if I were an unethical oncologist I would try to convince everyone that cancer is everywhere...and your denial of it just proves it's there.

Flagwaver

“...he took an assault case and inflated it to attempted murder.”

The six kids continued to beat the victim even after he was unconscious. At what point were they going to decide they had gone too far & stop beating him? Apparently not when the victim became unconscious. He could have been dead for all they knew & they continued to beat him.

The victim could be dead today if it weren’t for people stepping in to put an end to the violence.

Furthermore, the main suspect, Mychal Bell, had previously been charged of five other crimes. At what point should the authorities & the DA step in & say enough is enough?

I disagree, kinda - - -
- - and quite mildly... about that 11th paragraph where she says that race is not an issue.
There are certainly a number of people who will vote for Obama strictly because he IS black, to show how "wonderfully tolerant" they are.
Like, do you recall back in '88 or '90, when Jesse Jackson was running - - that dippy DJ named Casey Kasum said he was for Jackson "because it's time we have a black president." That's a paraphrase, but almost word-for-word -- the point being obvious. And so damned unfortunate.

Packrat

Not only is she the second black American secretary of state, they were both appointed by Republicans, and when you include the various Americans of Hispanic origin appointed by Republican Presidents starting I believe with Ronald Reagan and his secretary of the treasury, well, the Demon-craps look like paupers in Race relations and responsibility giving.

That's their enemy; responsible black Americans. Just ask Sharpton or Jackson if they would REALLY like Black Americans to be truly responsible and FREE. Free goes with Self Responsibility. Nothing else ever makes any of us, FREE at last, and forever, if you remember where free comes from.



Star
I am concerned not only with the message sent out to the black youth but to all youth as well.

Hanging nooses is not funny and very threatening. If it weren't why else do it?

Those boys should have gotten more than a slap on the wrist. What next? Hanging KKK hoods from the tree as well.

No I don't think two wrongs make a right, so the black youth doing the beat downs need to get it as well.

If this country wasn't so steeped in moral relativism this wouldn't have been bungled or continue to be bungled at every step.

ETHNOCULTURAL WAR IN THE FUTURE?

.....Star ...

.....Too many put the Jena incident down as a race or black and white issue ...I see it a little differently ...race and color is a factor of course but I think the far greater difference is cultural ...

.....when the blacks talked through and did not stand up for the National Anthem ....they were not confronting whites ...they were confronting white culture ...what they were saying was ..."we are not a part of this"

.....BTW I have seen white kids do the same thing and during Vietnam most of the hippie protestors who burned and desecrated the American Flag were white ...

.....I think our Nation is in deep doo doo and it will get a lot worse before it gets better ...25% of our culture is Latino ...25% is Black ...and 50% (and falling fast) is Caucasian (White Anglo) ...

.....To compound the problem the White population is divided almost 50-50 ideologically between Socialism and Capitalism ...I see a dark moon arisin' ...

....."Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio?
...A nation turns its lonely eyes to you ...Woo woo woo" .....COLOSSUS

Jena is anathema to Selma
Jena is a corruption of the civil rights movement of the 1960s.

These thugs and goons beat up another young person, and race shouldn't even be an issue. Six people cannot attack someone else and "stomp" him for whatever half-cracked reason.

Sharpton and Jackson must really be on their last legs if they have to pick this brutality to defend. Criminals are criminals. It's like illegals. What about illegal behavior don't your understand?

I don't know
I have to go with Flagwaver. I don’t know Spirit of 76’s personal demeanor, but in general, I don’t like when strangers strike up a conversation with me; and when I’m at the ball park, I like it even less.

Excuses
Parker in her opening paragraphs excuses the six thugs before she launches into her "you shouldn't do that" column. Who is she kidding? I'll make book that these six will lead a life of crime that this country will have to put up with for years to come. The excuse for their crimes will be JENA made me do it.

Bad Mouthing Extracts A Price
Why is it the fact that the white boy that was beaten up because he was calling those black boys racist names to their faces glossed over?
I dare say, if a black boy confronts a group of black boys, and calls them derisive names to their faces, he too would face a "beatdown."
Now add the imflammatory component of degroggatory racists name-calling from a white boy who knows the town sheriff has his back.
It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to predict what would happen. On Sesame Street, on The World of Disney, in every western movie that was ever made in America, at a white guy hockey game, at the local pub; in practically every venue in America - "thems fightin' words." However, when white boys fight it's "boys will be boys" or "they were defending their honor."
However, when black boys fight it's and indication of their genetic propensity for pathalogical violence. For white boys it's simple battery. For black boys it's attempted murder.

Jena
In general, I agree with Starr Parker's column. However, I most strongly disagee with the phrase "trumped-up [attempted] murder charges". When you beat someone unconscious, not to mention then continue kicking him, that should qualify as attempted murder. If it had not been (six) blacks pounding away on (one) white, that would, in any jurisdiction, have qualified as attempted murder and been non-controversial. That any black, even Sharpton and Jackson, are holding this case as an example of blacks as victims of racism is ironic and disgusting racism.



What no one has mentioned
Do a search on the Jena 6 on Smoking Gun and find the pictures they posted of themselves "thugging", flaunting the money that people have donated to them for beating up whitey, flashing their gang signs, and wearing their gangsta wear. Nice. Yep, the Jena 6 are a defining moment alright, just not what Jessuh and Sharpton the race baiters had in mind.

Turn it around
Okay Star, try this one on for size.

Unknown people go around painting swastikas and other graffiti on houses. Some of those houses belong to Jewish people. A group of young black men are caught in the act. Three months later, a group of white Jews surrounds and beats a single black male. They knock him down and continue stomping on him even after he is unconscious.

I seriously doubt that, in such a case, you would argue that their being tried for attempted murder was over-reaching or trumped up.

This whole essay went off the tracks in the first paragraph. The Jena Six were charged as they should have been, and every person who has argued for leniency, like you, is guilty of advocating a different level of justice because someone's feelings were hurt.

Fine, if that's the world you want to live in, you'll probably get it. But the next time a group of whites goes on a shooting spree in response to some gang-bangers latest atrocity, don't expect any sympathy from me. You're the one who wanted to drag "mitigating circumstances" into this.

RE: braveheart
Hanging a noose on a tree is not justification for the attempted murder of another kid.

See, it is your excusing of every single wrongdoing of those murderous miscreants that perpetrates racism. Black kids see dopes like you, and Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson, run around claiming that no matter how horrible a crime they commit, it's always whities fault. What, then, is the incentive to actually abide by the law? Any time they assault someone, any time they rape someone, any time they murder someone, they can count on your support. They can count on you and your ilk to race in there and point the finger at the palest faces in the room instead of pointing the finger at the ACTUAL perpetrators of the crimes.

It is no wonder that there still remains some racism in this country. Every single time you or Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton race in and claim that the violent behavior of the malcontent-of-the-moment is the fault of the VICTIM of said violence you likely create 10 or 100 or 1000 more people who simply get frustrated at their criminality and your excusing their criminality and simply decide you are all nothing but a band of rotten slime bags.

Here's a piece of advice: Next time you hear about someone accused of assaulting another, or raping another, or murdering another, make sure the first words out of your mouth are "Was the poor kid accused of these crimes black?"

Flagwaver
Perhaps the black folk who refused to show respect for the flag AND for the attempt by the people around them to do so should be seen for what they are: disrespectful and ungrateful thugs. It was obvious they wanted to talk to each other. What was so important that it couldn't wait until the anthem was over? And you are rationalizing their behavior. If you think white Americans don't see this kind of behavior from blacks as a deliberate act of disrepect, you are sadly mistaken. We think that this is a group of blacks who care not that this is the greatest country on earth, that they should be grateful for their freedom and opportunities, for the fact that the police did not arrest them for failing to stand and at least observe silence, and finally, that they show no gratitude for the efforts of other Americans, mainly WHITE Americans, to remove the bars to their full equality and participation in our country. Thugs, ingrates, rude, immature, take your pick. But "didn't feel like talking"? Pleeeease.

Flagwaver...
Huzzah, sir! You have nailed it! It is amazing that the individualism that conservatives espouse only seems to rear its head when taking about means to achieve success, and group labels are "liberally" applied only when discussing shortcomings. How Spirit of 76 manages to assume that because black kids would not DARE talk to him that it must be because he was white is beyond me. After reading 76's comments, I applaud the black kids at the baseball game for apparently having the good sense to avoid conversation with an ignoramus.

Do Our Kids A Favor - Face The Truth
In the year 2006 at a public school, there was a place that was known to be "for whites only". The black kids at this school felt like outsiders. They went to the principal and asked permission to sit under the tree. THE PRINCIPAL GAVE THEM PERMISSION TO SIT UNDER THE TREE. But he did not call an assembly and explain that tree was a schoolhouse tree, not a "for whites only tree". The black kids sat under the tree. Three white boys hang nooses on the tree where they sat. It was a threat of death for breaking social norms. It was a racist act that implied mob violence. It was evidence of a tradition of white applied terror to black life that has not yet left this nation. This tradition preceded Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. To focus on Jackson and Sharpton, rather than on the racist acts that the black kids in that town have experienced over the course of their lives is a pc travesty. It proves that the right is just as pc as the left. The conservative disdain, contempt, and hatred of Jackson and Sharpton is used as a tool of deflect focused attention on continued white racism in America. The left has set them up to attempt to make black America a rubber stamp for leftist issues. The right has set them up as the straw men that they can without restraint vent on, and also dismiss whatever black issues they have siezed upon because whatever these two are supporting could not be of value, because we don't value them. Ergo, no matter how ergregious, no matter how racist the acts that are perpetrated against black people by whites in America nowadays, as long as Jackson and Sharpton associate themselves with them, they shall be dismissed or diminished and buried by accusing the two of "playing the race card." Which promotes the idea that there is no longer racism in America - that the lives of black Americans are likened to a card game; "sorry you loose." Stop using Jackson & Sharpton to dismiss black America.

Spirit of 76
How exactly do you know what Blacks think or feel about any issue? If you had listened closely, you would have heard plenty of Black voices saying that those boys should have been punished---just not with an attempted murder charge where the "deadly weapon" was a sneaker! The protests did not start because they were charged in the beating, but because they were "over-charged" by the DA; he took an assault case and inflated it to attempted murder.

And as a Black man myself, I don't expect white folks to do anything other than treat me with the same respect that everyone else is treated with. You say that it bothered you that these young Blacks and their chaperones did not stand for the anthem---but did you even notice if any whites did the same thing? And if they had, would you be on TH today acting as though their actions epitomized all White people in America?

And you mention that you tried to talk to them, but they blew you off and you immediately assume it was because you were White. Did you ever stop to think that maybe they didn't want to talk to you because they didn't know you? I have had a few experiences at ballgames and sometimes I talk to the people around me, sometimes not. And my reasons did not have anything to do with the race of the person trying to talk to me---I either felt like talking or I didn't.

Perspective on Jena
To Chopper John: if you would like to read about how the "Rev" Jackson makes his money, pick up a book by Ken Timmermann titled "Shakedown". That gives one perspective on how the race baiters make their money.
As for Jena: while Jackson and Sharpton bring their 'army' to a small town of 3000, the police chief of Philadelphia is asking for an army of 10,000 black men to help him fight crime in his city. Where are our so-called acitivists when the issue is black on black?? Not a peep...

Walt, Seminole Florida

Jena and self improvement
As a 35 year old white male I agree with everthing you said. I grew up in a white trash neighborhood right besides blacks and the word ni***r was a prevalent as m****rf****r. I sent myself through college (Auburn University) and today have left that crap behind. I have dated all races (not that that is really important). What I am trying to say, is you are absolutely right. No matter what the circumstances are, it is up to us to rise above them and become better people (knowing Jesus has not hurt any either). It is so important that people like yourself, Secetery of State Rice and my hero's and the reason I got my degree in Finance Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams continue preaching the message of self improvement and not look to others (especially the government or race baiters) to improve our lives. Keep up the great work and I look forward to your next article.
Sincerely,
Phillip L. Williams

yes
Star makes a good point. While I find Jackson and Sharpton bordering on the loathsome, I think it’s worse that anyone could associate Jena with Selma. They are worlds apart.

blacks
Kicking an unconscious person to me merits attempted murder chargers. I'm sick and tired of blacks thinking they should get a free pass when they engage in violence. These six are indeed thugs and need to be put away. Whites are expected to condescend to the violent and disrespectual black culture. During a vacation, my family and I went to a minor league baseball game. A bunch of young black kids with their older chaperones did not rise for the playing of the national anthem. They sat and talked throughout the playing of the anthem. I tried to talk to one, but it was clear he didn't want to talk to whitey. I have concluded that you can take blacks out of slavery, but you can't take slavery out of blacks.

Focus!
The facts of this case have been purposely distorted in order that race hustlers justify animal behavior.
I suggest they drop the attempted murder charge, charge them with aggravated assault, then bring in the Fed's and charge them with a hate crime.
When that is finished, sue them civilly for violation of civil rights.
If race is an issue in this case, let it be known that 6 blacks beat the daylights out of a student because he was white.
Why are whites not marching against such a violent racist act?

Content of Character
is all that matters to me, and this Jena case is all about character. The character of a young man who beat another young man senseless, and was convicted on his FIFTH count of assault. (Bear in mind how many beatings this thug probably committed without being convicted, while still getting caught and convicted those 5 times.)

PLEASE, stop talking about this as a Race issue, it is a THUG issue. These thugs were treated as adults this time - NOT because they were Black, but because they were Thugs, and after 4 previous convictions of the same crime, it was well past time for this to be treated as a crime worthy of adult punishment, rather than a matter for "children's" court. These are not children, and do NOT need to be coddled any further by the family court system.

Just how many free passes do you get for assault, before you finally face the music, and get more than a slap on the wrist.

Your whole article is based on the premise that something evil happened in Jena, and that racism is the evil. What you fail to mention in all this is that the bigger evil is the assault on others being perpetrated by these thugs.

You are correct = the message being taught here is incorrect. But that message is that assault is ok, if someone says or does something you don't like - and you happen to be black.

The correct message should be that being a thug, and beating someone unconscious will get you a harsh prison sentence - NOT a parade of rioters coming from all corners to aid in your defense. (And innumerable commentators laying claim to the high ground, defending the phony baloney black perspective.)

I saw the Dr. Phil
segments on this subject. All I can say is that the moment Jackson and Sharpton show up, all credibility is lost with me. These are 2 of the biggest racists in the country that make their money off of being racists. T.D. Jakes was there at Dr. Phil's request. At least he has some credibilty. This whole thing got way out of control and ANYONE who breaks the law by beating someone up deserves and should do time.

White hate Crime
Jena was a white hate crime again covered up by the black leeches of Sharpton and Jackson as they again play the race card dividing races.

I believe many urban blacks would kill any whitey that tried to even walk in their neighborhoods.

To think we might have a guy named Hussein Obama with a Muslim Father, Muslim formative years school training and a anti White/terror supporting Parish Priest(Wright) mentor as a President after Muslims killed 3000 Americans in the name of their Devil god--Allah can only show the danger of the ignorance and gullibility of Americans to accept Islam as a peaceful religion and not the murderous cult it really is.

Does anyone
out there know the net worth of Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton. For the life of me, I can't discern what these two reverends do for a living. Do they get paid for their race-baiting, and if so, by whom? They apparently can afford to travel from place to place on a whim, but who fronts the dough? Now, I know that Sharpton has his own radio show, although why I don't know, but are he and Jackson wealthy? Inquiring minds want to know.

Uncle Max, Star

And we might note that Dr Rice is the second Black Secretary of State.

Did you know that
There is a mission/soup kitchen in Selma run by the Edmundites (a Catholic order) that has been there since 1937?

Just thought I'd drop that in.

Let me repeat
Martin Luther King Jr. once said "I have a drean that there will come a day when my children will be judged on the content of their character rather than on the color of their skin."

That day has arrived for those with the character to embrace it.

The rest of you - you know who you are and so do we.

Well said Star
There are a lot of aspects of this incident I don't really understand. How could an incident that happened 3 months before be a rationalization for the beating of this young man? But that is mostly what I heard when I saw some of the principals in this case on Dr. Phil. Yeah, I know but at least it was a full hour on a subject not 30 seconds. I don’t think any of us can understand what is going on down there when we don’t live in the community and don’t know the dynamics. It is easy to spout platitudes.

I am glad to hear that Jackson and Sharpton are being ignored, it seems to me their mission is to keep black people dependent. I was appalled to read that Jackson thought Obama was acting to white, OMG isn’t that just what is said in the community to keep young blacks from achieving? Thankfully there are people like Obama that are a role models and inspire by showing what is possible. Not that Obama was an underprivileged kid from the Getto but still has done quite well, is well spoken and I hope will be an inspiration whether he wins or not. I am always impressed by young black men particularly that have had the guidance and inspiration to rise above all the garbage that are obstacles to achievement. I see so many young bright and articulate examples and every time I say to may self, good for you, another one has beat the system of the Jackson’s and Sharpton’s who are no Martin Luther Kings(he would be appalled if he saw what is going on with these so called leaders).

Nice Job Star a nice balanced perspective.

I think anymore
it is more a case of 'I hate WHAT you do' not 'I hate WHO you are.' For most people anyway. Not al and jesse, but I think their cause is lost.
Sure, there ARE dyed in the wool racists on ALL sides - but not I think the majority of the people.
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