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Monday, September 17, 2007
Star Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
A time for courage, not politics, on Iraq
by Star Parker
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Democratic politicians are either far more insightful than your average Republican, or, uniformly more political. I'd opt for the latter conclusion.

How to explain that there is not one Democratic leader that sees any merit in our struggle in Iraq? There is no such uniformity among Republicans, and, after all, the commander-in-chief, who is leading this effort, is from their own party.

We've got a Republican candidate for president, Ron Paul, who self identifies as the "anti-war candidate."

And we've got highly credible and outspoken Republican doubters who have no political calculations to make. I'm talking about guys like Chuck Hagel, a decorated Vietnam veteran, and 80 year old Virginia Sen. John Warner, both of whom have announced their retirements from the Senate and political life.

The complexities and ambiguities that are clearly inherent in our current involvement in Iraq are manifest in the spectrum of opinions among Republican leaders.

But Democrats, uniformly seem to see through the fog and grasp with clarity that our mission in Iraq is misguided and that we should leave.

The only voice of dissent has been Sen. Joe Lieberman. And, as a result, he now supports our efforts in Iraq as an Independent.

Majority Leader Harry Reid declared the war lost months ago, before the current surge began.

Sen. Hillary Clinton, who voted for the war (but now says she really thought she was voting for more diplomacy), now wants us out, but what she means by this is carefully nuanced and choreographed to adjust for each day's polling results or positions staked out by her opponents.

It's all now so clear for Clinton that she dismissed Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, before their testimony, that they could possibly have anything to say that would shed light on the situation. At the Univision debate in Miami, she said that "Nothing which General Petraeus or Ambassador Crocker or anyone else coming before the Congress will say next week will in any way undermine the proposal that there is no military solution in Iraq."

Of course, Clinton knows that the purpose of the surge is to enable the political solution.

Former Sen. John Edwards, who voted for the war, and then apologized for doing so, now calls the war on terror a "bumper sticker" and wants funding cut off for Iraq if there is no timetable for withdrawal.

And, of course, Sen. Barack Obama is the visionary among visionaries. He, as he never wastes an opportunity to remind us, was never hoodwinked into invading Iraq.

From his then powerful perch in the state legislature in Illinois, surely privy to all relevant intelligence information, Obama opposed the Iraq war from the beginning.

In an interview with Colin Powell in the latest issue of GQ Magazine, the Aspen Institute's Walter Isaacson asks the former secretary of state, regarding the assessment of the situation in Iraq before going in, "Do you feel responsible for giving the U.N. flawed intelligence?"

Powell's response: "I didn't know it was flawed. Everybody was using it."

Yet, Barack Obama, even while still just a state senator in Illinois, understood what even Colin Powell, as secretary of state, didn't understand.

Now Obama, to assure his positioning as more anti-war than Clinton, is calling for a complete pullout of our troops by the end of next year.

It's troubling that the Democrats have starkly transformed our struggle in Iraq into cold political calculation. But more troubling is their complete absence of vision or compulsion to voice one. What comes after the withdrawal they are demanding? What kind of world would we live in with emboldened terrorists?

Fouad Ajami of Johns Hopkins University, a Shiite Arab, and one of our most respected academics on the Middle East, wrote at length this past week in the Wall Street Journal about the cracks of light shining into Iraq, and urged that we pay heed to Petraeus.

Who doubts that mistakes have been made?

But our unpopular president is right. I want my grandchildren to live in a world that is just and that is free. Our enemies have made clear that we will have to fight for this.

A retreat into left wing politics is not the answer. Standing and fighting is.

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Star Parker is the founder and president of CURE, the Coalition for Urban Renewal & Education, a 501c3 think tank which explores and promotes market based public policy to fight poverty, as well as author of White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects Inner City Decay.
 
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Why are you surprised by this, Star?
The Democrats have ALWAYS been opposed to defending this country from ANY enemy. Their solution to EVERY problem is to give the bad guys a hug and tell them "we understand how they've suffered and everything will be alright" if only they'd sit down and talk to us.

They've wanted us to lose this war since the day they knew that it would have to be engaged, and they've made no secret of it.
But more than that, they want us to lose it because even seven years later, they STILL can't get over the fact that George Bush won the election in 2000, and they're deranged with hatred for him because of that.
So NOTHING he has, or will ever say or do, will EVER be right.

The Democrat Position ...
The Dems are amazingly clear. They seem willing to accept any version of "redeployment" or occupation of anywhere in the Middle East; so long as it is preceeded by an American declaration of defeat in Iraq, and that defeat be clearly identified as a "Republican" failure.

Warren Small
While I in no way support Obama or Hillary, could you tell me how you know when nobody else does, that Iran doesn't have a nuclear program? And as far as using nukes in the middle east, the effects would be felt even here. If you think not, then check out Chernoble in Russia. We recorded slight levels of radiation here in the states from that. Imagine, if you will, the effects of all that fine sand going into the atmosphere and getting caught by the trade winds.

Anthony T
Yeah he understands it along with his idea of sex ed for five year olds. He's a dip stick!!!

Anthony T
Yeah, B.O. understands this along with his Idea of sex ed for five year olds. The man is a dip stick!!!!

Everyone did NOT Agree
All of the few remaining war supporters, including Parker, labor under the delusion that everyone in the world agreed with Powell regarding WMD.

1. Most other countries get their information from us, not the other way around. It is not the case that we agreed with everyone else, it is the case that everone else agreed with us.

2. The Germans were very clear in telling American intelligence NOT to trust "curveball." They knew he was a fabricator and warned us he was unreliable. We still believed him.

3. Several very important data sources were ignored. In fact, they were the people who had the most knowledge and experience. We ignored the information from the previous two UN weapons inspectors.

SO stop already with the bull. Teh Bush administration consciously chose to believe in and advance the position of people who were wrong.

Anthony
Well, that is cerainly what the inspectors said.

THE MISTAKE IN IRAQ

.....Was made by Bush Sr. in the first Iraq war ...he let Saddam off the hook ...did not disarm or disband his army ...and encouraged the Shiites to revolt without offering them any military support ...naturally they were brutalized and slaughtered by Saddam and we ended up with a no fly zone to protect the Kurds from genocide ...

.....GW was a day late and a dollar short in his decision to invade Iraq ...if his father had any cohones we could have established our needed military presence in Iraq quickly and without all the loss of life and with world opinion on our side ...

.....The current situation in Iraq shows what happens when the Commander-in-Chief (Bush Sr) is a wuss who doesn't know how to win a war ...

.....After Desert Storm Saddam proclaimed himself the victor for turning back the Crusaders ...and a golden oppertunity was lost and now we are paying the price ...(not to mention eight years of Clinton)...for Bush Sr's lack of leadership .....COLOSSUS

Polls
Anyone who leads by reading polls is a fool, regardless of who does the polling. As I recall, polling was done by a supposedly nonpartisan group during the last election, and was found to be totally wrong!

Secondly, the intelligence relied upon before the present Iraq War was not just American. The British and French intelligence were EXACTLY the same. The German objection was to ONE source.

I agree the 1st Bush should have finished the job!

Jack
If you think that countries such as Isrial and England get their intel from us you should get help.

EL Joe
If you think they don't, then you are deluded.

Wrong on Intelligence
The single source that the Germans told us was a liar was the primary source for the majority of the claims made by Powell to the UN. Mobile weapons labs. Aerial disbursement. Bah.

Remember how the administration used the NY Times. First they leaked the info they wanted to get out to the NYT. The NYT would publish it. Then Cheney or Rumsfeld would point to the NYT story as an independent verification of administration claims.

You people will never get out of the IRaq box until you realize you were manipulated.

What else can one expect
Coming from generations of spoiled babies who literally believe life is about their creature comforts and their pleasure and that someone else, always someone else should have to look at, hear about and endure the tough stuff.

Even though it was the tough stuff and those who died to make this nation great (the ultimate sacrafice) that literally enables them to spout their UNIFIED rhetoric....they fail to see they are literally biting the hand that feeds them.

Yet the unified vision of the radical left is nothing short of a modern day version of Feudalism...where each of them seems to believe they are ABOVE the masses and will be the feudal lords.

Yet history bears out time and again that there really isn't that much room at the top in cummunism, or feudalism for that many chiefs. So what they fail to see is that if (Heaven Forbid) they are successful in foisting their particular brand of social controll off on the masses that most of them will NO longer be needed and (as in the past) very quickly find themselves at the top of the list of those on the endangered species list.

UN inspections
How in the heck were those supposed to get finished when Saddam kept kicking them out of the country? How many more years was this bluffing going to be acceptable. He was bluffing at best, lieing at worst. Sooner or later he was going to get called on it. Saddam was the master of his own downfall. What an idiot. At least Khadafi learned from it.

You liberals will let everyone bluff so long as it doesn't effect your little utopian world. Then you blame everyone else for ignoring the warnings. Yet you want to continue the same plan. You give new meaning to stuck on stupid.

Lolo2
Star Parker is looking for courage.

If you are looking for Courage, don’t bother looking among Democrats.

Liberal, Girly Ma, Cowards! ALL of Them! ESPECIALLY Hitlery!

Jack
Ever heard of mossad and Mi5? Two of the best inteligence agencies in the world. Don't believe it? attack Israel and see if they don't follow you around the globe and take you out. They don't need us to gather intel.

Lolo2. Critical Time
Lolo,

What you have written is NOT supported by the facts.

Hussein was uncooperative and in 1998, the inspectors withdrew. Operation Desert Fox was implemented as a result of non-cooperation.

In 2002, inspectors were again in Iraq. Hans Blix specifically stated that the UNMOVIC teams, which had replaced the UNSCOM teams of Richard Butler, were getting the cooperation they needed from Iraq. Further, he claimed that another few months would enable him to definitively answer whether Iraq had WMD's. Instead, the Bush administration attacked Iraq before UNMOVIC could finish the inspection.

Of course, former chief inspector Scott Ritter was more direct, indicating that there simply weren't any WMD's in Iraq.

All of this, of course, has to be evaluated in teh context of what was actually found. Noo WMD's were found and, ipso facto, those who said there was no need to act militarily for that reason were proven correct.

Lolo, you are basing you opinions on information that is simply NOT TRUE. Hussein did not "keep kicking them out."




curious reasoning
In the lead up to the war, conservatives were uniform in their support for the war, while Democrats were split. As we have seen this is not because the Republicans had some insight the democrats lacked. Most republicans seem surprised by how the war has gone.

So by Parker's reasoning, the republicans before the war must have been the more political party. Either that or she knows that the reasoning she used in this article does not deserve the name reasoning. I wonder which it is.

But then the idea that the democrats are marching in lock step is undercut by the fact that, as she notes, they actually have different ideas of how best to minimize the damage Bush has done with his invasion. So unlike the lockstep that the Repubs had before the invasion, the democrats really are trying to figure out what the best way is to avoid the calamity Bush has given us.

Which is another way of saying that a third explanation of why the democrats are now united while the republicans are divided despite the fact that the dems proved their lack of insight before the war is that we have reached the point in which all but the political and ideologues know it is time to leave.

Democrats have convenient memories!
Many of these Democrats were on the Intelligence Committee!
http://bullwinkleblog.com/?page_id=3287

My Opine
Quite an impressive list of dem leaders that said he had WMDs. Even Good ole' Hans Blix. How strange!!!!

Jack
Not supported by fact? According to whom? You? You are the one not supporting anything with facts. How many times did Saddam play cat and mouse with the inspectors? How many?

How many Dems voted for this war and made the case for this war?

The trouble with you is either you cherry pick your facts or simply don't have any.

Dems give new meaning to fair weathered friends and that is what this really boils down to.

Jack
P.S. Here is another fact. duelfer did say that there weren't any weapons but some have since been found. What he did say was far more important. Saddam was rebuilding his weapons and using the Oil for Food Scam to do it.

eastlake joe
What I find strange is that any sane person thinks they can PROVE a negative.

They found all sorts of military hardware buried in odd locations. They even found jet fighters buried in the sand and parts for reactors buried in people's back yards.
Who knows what is buried under street repairs or basements?

How can anyone be so positive they have found everything?

Lolo. Get Real
"Not supported by fact? According to whom?"

AS I said, the wo people with themost comprehensive knowledge of the situation on the roun: Blix and Ritter. That's who. Furtehrmore, the facts we now see match what Blix and Ritter said before teh war. Youa re somehow able to convince yourself that the people who were right all along, were wrong, and that the people who were wrong all along, were right.

"You? You are the one not supporting anything with facts. How many times did Saddam play cat and mouse with the inspectors? How many?"

In 1998. But that is irrelevant, given that we are not talkign about 1998. We are talking about a time period after Desert Fox, which effectively destroyed his WMD capacity.

"How many Dems voted for this war and made the case for this war?"

What has this got to do with anything. I find them as contemptible, almost, as Bush.

"The trouble with you is either you cherry pick your facts or simply don't have any."

Youa re deluded. The facts are right there and have been examined time and time again. The people who said there were no WMDs were right adn those who said there were WMDs were wrong. Its insane to pretend otherwise.

AS for teh WMD's that were "found". These were antiquated, discarded, unusable remnants. You are graspign at straws, just like Ricky Santorum who brought this up originally.

"Dems give new meaning to fair weathered friends and that is what this really boils down to."

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

Ooops. More Delusion
Lol, Duelfer did NOT say that. He said he may have been planning to regenerate his programs once the sanctions were lifted. He was not using money to rebuild his weapons. Get that? Your staement is wrong! How many times are you going to have to ignore reality in oreder to hold on to this fantasy.

Jack Off
You are the one who is delusional and grasping at straws.

WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE THAT SADDAM DID NOT HAVE WMDs?

Someone saying they have not found then yet PROVES NOTHING.

At this stage in the war it is irrelevant AND SO ARE YOU!

Jack
I have the Duelfer Report. I also have several intelligence reports that go with it.

You can sit there and say your facts trump all, all you want, but just because you say it doesn't make it so. Sorry, but not even you can make life work that way.

All of this has been gone over time and time again. Just because your late to the ball game doesn't mean we have to replay the first four innings.

You have one foot nailed to the floor and are running in circles.

Has anyone posted this for the Dems yet?

Petraeus Apology

What is the size of the Al Qaeda Terrorist Force in Iraq that can not be contained with 200,000 Iraqi Security Forces that can operate with minimal Allied Support(50,000 US Troops, 5,000 Allied Troops)?

The State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), which arguably has the best track record for producing accurate intelligence assessments, last year estimated that AQI's membership was in a range of "more than 1,000." When compared with the military's estimate for the total size of the insurgency—between 20,000 and 30,000 full-time fighters—this figure puts AQI forces at around 5 percent.
When turning to the question of manpower, military officials told the New York Times in August that of the roughly 24,500 prisoners in U.S. detention facilities in Iraq (nearly all of whom are Sunni), just 1,800—about 7 percent—claim allegiance to al-Qaeda in Iraq. Moreover, the composition of inmates does not support the assumption that large numbers of foreign terrorists, long believed to be the leaders and most hard-core elements of AQI, are operating inside Iraq. In August, American forces held in custody 280 foreign nationals—slightly more than 1 percent of total inmates.

What's the real number of Al Qaeda in Iraq still on the "BATTLEFIELD"? Apparently it is less than 2,000, yet we need 170,000 troops and the help of 200,000 Iraqi Security Forces for another year to keep them at bay until next fall. Then over 50,000 US troops and over 350,000 Iraqi Security Forces will be needed for the foreseeable future.
Give me a break! General Petraeus should be Apologizing to all American Citizens for Commanding over 500,000 Troops and has been unable to DEFEAT Less Than 2000 Al Qaeda. He will not even state how many have been killed or captured. Is he embarrassed?


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0710.tilghman.html

Jack
BTW if I were to take you at your premise and assume it is correct, then by your logic we should have an even bigger 9/11 before we do anything to stop it.

Don't come at me with Intelligence since that didn't work.
Don't come at me with law enforcement since that isn't working either.

RogueCowgirl
If you just post that enemy propaganda for the fun of it, you can get paid for collaborating with al qaeda.
See;
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200705/POL20070516a.html

The EXCEPTIONAL REPUBLICAN
Duncan Hunter is an exception among all candidates, for being candid and knowledgeable about Iraq. He has had his own hide in the wringer as an Airborne/ Ranger in Vietnam. His son has had two tours as a Marine in Iraq, and is now on tour in Afghanistan. So Hunter has 'skin in the game'.

Serving on the House Armed Services for over 25 years has kept Hunter current on military anf foreign affairs. You ask him a question and you will get a reasoned, well-articulated answer.

I doubt we could find an individual more fit to serve as Commander-In Chief. You can bet he will not be an ignorant berserker or a cut-and-run politician. He is a courageous American.

Lolo
Can you find in the Duelfer report a statement that says Saddam was rebuilding his weapons programs? I have searched my copy and can't seem to locate it. Can you find it?

Myopinionated
Elementray logic and rhetoric, dude. One can' be asked to prove a negative. In short, your question is meaningless.

Lolo
I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you explain?

Jack Off
I wish it was possible to teach ELEMENTARY LOGIC to an idiot like you because you are trying to prove a negative RIGHT NOW.

That is what I have been trying to tell you.
You have also been informed that you are trying to bring up a subject that was buried several months ago on this site.

And I have tried to tell you that it makes no difference at this point whether or not Saddam had WMDs.

In short, you are playing with words, trying to debate a dead issue.
Sort of playing with yourself, or masturbating with words.
Understand now, Jack Off?

Lolo
I hope you don't mind me helping you play with your silly friend.
He was one of a 4 man dog pile that jumped on me once.
I kind of owe this little sissy something.

Duncan Hunter
Hey Zeb... I agree... Duncan Hunter is, in my opinion, the best candidate to replace Bush... You want a guy that will finish the job in Iraq -
Duncan Hunter.. You want a guy that will build 700 miles of border fence in 6 months - Duncan Hunter... You want a guy that will enforce the immagration laws - Duncan Hunter... You want a guy that will keep the Bush tax cuts in place - Duncan Hunter... You want a solid 2nd Amendment supporter - Duncan Hunter... It's difficult to find fault in the guy

Bman1
They keep turning up scraps of WMD evidence but it is all ignored by MSM.
They forgot about the EMPTY chemical factory in the north.
One of the few serious stands encountered during the invasion was made to delay our troops long enough to remove a truck with a chemical weapons loading system built in.
They did not report the drums of chemicals dumped into the Tiger River.

None of that WMD stuff is of any consequence at this stage anyway.
It is a little late to debate the reason to go to war.

Be a man
and face the facts. The items found in the UN building were in the possession of the UN Weapons Inspection entity, UNMOVIC. If anything, that finding attests to the fact that weapons inspections identified and removed suspicious items. In addition, the story you reference indicates teh viasl were brought to New York some 11 years ago. What was in Iraq in 1996 has never been at issue,has it?

I don't know abou Blix and money: perhaps if you know something you could point it out, instead of making an unsubstantiated implication. Likewise with Scott Ritter. He was accused of something, denied it, and charges were entirely dropped due to lack of substantiation.

But there is no need for you to provide the complete picture on anything is there? You can post unsubstntiated or incomplete information and feel like you have somehow made a point.

The way you handled this information is a pretty good parallel to teh way the right wing deals with facts and evidence as a rule.




Myopinionated

Pal,

I didn't bring this up. PArker brought it up. Furhtermore, as one can readily see, the issue is not dead at Townhall, because there are still folks out there who refuse to accept reality.

Or, are you saying the official townhall position is that there weren't any WMD's?

AS for logic, I am not trying to prove a negative, I am trying to point out that there is no evidence to prove a positive and that the official conclusions run counter to what is being claimed here.

Jack Off
Other than raving like a lunatic you are trying to play the Blame Game.
Typical BDS Buffoon.

Like I said;
The issues you want to debate are irrelevant and so are YOU!

What difference does it make RIGHT NOW!

Are you trying to claim all Democrats are stupid and were easily deceived into thinking Saddam had WMD when he did not?

What point are you trying to make?

Moping
Whether conservatives are willing to accept reality makes a great deal of difference. My point is that they tend to be divorced from reality (it was a Bush administration hack who decided that the "reality based community" could be ignored)and so make decisions which are not based on reality. That will continue to be a problem for this country as we move forward.

Jack Off
As to Conservatives accepting YOUR reality;
Like Reagan said;
Democrats often know things that just aren't so.

You Loonie Toons Leftists come hear every day with some fiction you claim is reality.
You think AGW is reality.
Democrats ARE Government by BUNKO SCAM!
To make it work they need stupid twits like you that are easy to decieve.

Do you remember all the stuff that has been dug up in Iraq?
Airplanes?, reactor parts?, millions of American Dollars?, Art treasures?
Do you guarantee EVERYTHING has been found?
Can you think of anything we could find that would change a single facet of this war, one way or the other?
Go Jack Off!

Duncan Hunter!!
He's my pick, for all of the above mentioned strengths. We need a real conservative.

Jack
A little something to chew;

During the McCarthy hearings, The Communist Party broke up and joined the Democratic Party.
Over the years the Communists have taken over the Democrat Party and consolidated power by drawing in some unsavory fringe groups.
http://hollycrud.com/2006/10/nancy-girl-wants-old-gays-with-young.html

http://americansfortruth.com/issues/the-agenda-glbtq-activist-groups/national-glbq-activist-groups/national-glbtq-activist-groups/nambla/

They employ several euphemism instead of calling themselves Communists but the DSA is actually a branch of International Communists.
That is why they get campaign money from foreign sources.
http://www.dailyrepublican.com/clinton_communists.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200709/POL20070914a.html

Why do I bother telling you this?
Every man has his own personal limit. Something he will not stoop to for any reason. I hope this adds to your list so that some day you will make the same choice I & 5 GENERATIONS of my family did and leave the stench of the Democrat Party!
Maybe the next time they persecute a Boy Scout Troop because they refused to accept NAMBLA for Scout Masters.

My Opine
I have no problem what so ever with you. NONE!

Jack
Why should I give you page numbers or anything else since you already know it all. But I can tell you there is more info than the Duelfer report unto itself.

Secondly, what I don't understand what any of this has to do with the price of rice. It doesn't change why we are there or where to we from here does it? It certainly does not change what will hapeen if we bug out.

Unless, maybe, this is more about the next election for you. In that context then I can understand where you are coming from. Is that it possibly? Even so, if it is, nothing I say will change your mind in the least or vice versa will it?

Jack doesn't know Jack!
According to jack, Bush lied about WMDs and duped all the poor democrats into the war.

Jack for you edification, I have a few quotes for you.

---

"We are in possesion of what I think to be compelling evidence
that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years,
a developing capacity for the production and storage
of weapons of mass destruction."

Democrat Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

----

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again,
as he has 10 times since 1983."

Democrat National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
---

"Hussein has... chosen to spend his money on building
weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."

Democrat Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
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(Bush must be really good to "dupe" all those democrats before he even ran for president!!

Want more? I put together a whole collection!
http://www.fundmental.com/funpages/demwar.html

How long do we have to hear the same old "bush Lied" lie???

"Politics" is a buzzword
Both Republicans and Democrats always accuse the other side of "playing politics." The phrase is meaningless; Democrats can accuse Republicans of "playing politics" with Iraq, and vice versa.

For those affected with Dem/Rep syndrome (the belief that there really is a significant difference between the two parties), the other guys always play "politics."

The only legitimate anti-war candidate from either party was mentioned by Parker: Ron Paul. All other candidates have either flip-flopped or hedged on the war. Ron Paul is the only true non-interventionist.

You sure got them worked up Jack!
Yet nobody is offering independent evidence to contradict your statements.

Come on Star!
Star states in the end of her column that like the President she wants to live in a world that is "just and that is free." While laudable this is just the sort of belief that gets us in the trouble we are in now.

Here in the U.S. we realize (or should) that this is an utopian dream that if practiced in the real world gets a lot of people killed for no reason. Us stupid nativists out here in the hinterlands see that this is a dream that only we can realize for ourselves. Not for the world. This they will have to do for themselves.

In trying to perfect the rest of the world we're going to loose our freedoms and in the final analysis it will be for naught. This war in Iraq isn't about terror, its about a dream. A dream for a silly President and his menions and a nightmare for thousands of our fellow "men at arms."

Vote Ron Paul.


I'll not offer anything but the law that
authorized use of force in Iraq Public law 107 243 oct 16 2002 look it up jack it gives only 2 reasons for going to war 1 national security 2 enforcement of all applicable U.N. security council resolutions to Iraq. It gave over 15 different reasons as to why Iraq was a threat to national security or non compliant with U.N. security council resolutions. Some had to do with wmds some did not. Had anyone on the left been paying attention to what THE President and official white house statements were no one should have been confused about the duration or the degree of difficulty this effort would be. I dont know about you but when the President of the U.S. uses the Cold War, and WW2 as references to the severity of the effort we are about to under take the first words coming to my mind are not cakewalk or quick and easy.

Ron Paul will never get my
primary vote and I doubt I am in the minority of republicans that think that way but we will see. His offense- this Iraq effort is americas empire building venture I'm paraphrasing but for the exact words go to his site.

doug
I don't like Ron Paul either.
You are not in the minority of Republicans.
Most of the Ron Paul support you see here is 3rd Party.

No need to reply.
I am going to bed and deprive you of my charming company.

Try to stay out of mischief!

Jack, jack, jack
Bill Clinton himself said that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was looking at the same information that was made available to Bush. Wars are not error-free and neither is the intelligence gathering business. There were mistakes made on all sides in WWII that are too numerous to mention, many times based on faulty information. If Saddam Hussein had WMD's and let terrorists acquire one that was used against the USA, you people would be screaming bloody murder about why Bush did not invade Iraq and do something about it. You liberals always want everything to happen both ways, even when they are mutually exclusive viewpoints. When it comes to foreign policy, Democrats use a knee-jerk reaction to automatically oppose anything the Republicans are trying to do, or they look at the past with 20/20 hindsight and then say what they would have done. Duh! Try making important decisions based on partial information with an enemy acting like he has something to hide (as Saddam Hussein repeatedly did). By the way, you can probably thank the NEA and your public school education for your lack of ability to spell correctly.

Myopine shucks
I missed your charming company anyway seems everyone else was done for the night and now off to work I go.

Stearman
Actually, you can thank the fact that I am half blind and can barely make out the computer screen for the typos, you dick.


Doug
Whatever was in teh UN resolution is irrelevant to my point. The only thing that mattered was US public opinion. And, without the WMD threat so hyped by the Administration, this war would not have been authorized. Even Bush insiders have written that hyping the WMD piece was a mistake but that they knew the only thing that would get them over the top was to do so.

Jack
You are full of crap. Chuck out...
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