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Monday, July 02, 2007
Star Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Immigration fiasco shows crisis in leadership
by Star Parker
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The most succinct observation I've come across about the failure of comprehensive immigration reform is that of pollster Scott Rasmussen.

The American public simply didn't want the bill. Rasmussen's polling indicated that the immigration legislation being pushed had the support of just 22 percent of the American public.

Rasmussen goes on further to point out just how far detached from the sentiment of the voting public those pushing the bill were. Not only didn't the American public want the bill, but the focus of the immigration debate in the Senate was the opposite of the public's highest concern.

According to Rasmussen, the main concern of the public -- 72 percent, according to his polling -- is border security. Yet, the main focus of the debate was how to legalize the 12 million plus here illegally.

How could so many supposed leaders (and, yes, I am afraid we've got to include our own president here) be so detached from popular sentiment?

Can it be an accident that less than one in four Americans supported the immigration legislation that the Senate tried to pass, and a similar number of respondents give overall positive approval ratings to Congress?

I don't think so.

If we look at the politics of immigration and how this effort was handled, we see all the characteristics of why the voting public is as disillusioned as it is with politicians of both parties allegedly representing their interests in Washington.

First, we have what I call the politics of ruse and irresponsibility.

This country has large and pressing problems. You would expect that they would be addressed by our leaders in a responsible and timely way. But they are not. The 12 million illegals did not show up here yesterday. The last major comprehensive immigration legislation was passed more than 20 years ago, in 1986. Does it take 20 years to realize that something isn't working? Do we have to wait until a problem is so obviously out of control -- that it is has gotten so bad that our own survival is at stake -- for it to get attention?

I wish this behavior were the exception rather than the rule. But it's not. Consider Social Security and Medicare. These programs are approaching the cliff's edge. Unfunded liabilities six times the size of our annual GDP. Who is talking about this? Has there been one question in any of the presidential debates about this? Not only are the problems huge, but it is also clear to anyone who takes an honest look that these programs require fundamental overhaul. The political challenges in overhauling Social Security and Medicare are even greater than dealing with immigration. And every day we wait, the problems become more complicated and difficult to resolve.

Most Americans would be shocked if they read the list of hearings held on Capitol Hill on any given day. They would find it incredible to see the aspects of our lives that are simply none of the government's business that senators and congressmen sit around discussing -- while real and huge problems are ignored (mostly because of lack of political courage).

Second, is what I call the politics of comprehensive reform. It was clear that the immigration problem has separate components, each in itself independent and complicated: How to secure the border, what to do with a standing illegal population and what kind of rules to set for immigration going forward. Yet, once the problem received national attention, our shining knights, awakened from slumber, lumped them all under one headline and tried to address them all "comprehensively."

This is what is happening with health care. This a large and complex problem, with many separate components, that has been growing out of control for some time.

Now we have an enterprising propagandist named Michael Moore, who has made "Sicko," a simpleminded film about health care that proposes a simpleminded comprehensive solution. And this is what has wakened the political class in Washington! Hopefully, common sense will prevail here, as it seems to have had regarding comprehensive immigration reform.

Third and last, I would identify the problem of the politics of power and pandering displacing the politics of American ideals.

What politician today can articulate the handful of principles and ideals embodied in the few pages of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution? Which ones actually care and try to use these principles in formulating public policy?

Ironically, most of the problems we have today are symptoms of a drifting from those ideals and falling into the politics of power and pandering. We are going to have to bring these ideals, which define this country and make it great, actively back into our lives if we are going to meet the challenges ahead. Most Americans appreciate this.

It's the vacuum of clarity and courage in Washington that's causing all the concern.

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About The Author
Star Parker is the founder and president of CURE, the Coalition for Urban Renewal & Education, a 501c3 think tank which explores and promotes market based public policy to fight poverty, as well as author of White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects Inner City Decay.
 
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You are so right, Star!
"How could so many supposed leaders (and, yes, I am afraid we've got to include our own president here) be so detached from popular sentiment?"

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

will let you read how President Eisenhower DID secure the borders! It can be done!!!

We just need effective leadership...someone willing to DO something rather than just sit around talking to hear themselves talk!

Foundation of Greatness
Our Declaration of Independence and Constitution are the two greatest document ever conceived. They were the culmination of thousands of year of human experimentation into civilized governance. Humanity finally had a blueprint which allowed every single individual the means to live a life of liberty and happiness, a life which was created by the individuals own personal efforts, where grasping opportunity was always available regardless of gender, faith, race or creed.

We have the perfect blueprint but people must construct the structure. People must aspire to be as great as the documents which laid the foundation.

I fear the People of today lack any sense of greatness. We are caught up in foolish ideologies which pervert the simple truths of the Declaration and Constitution. We discuss the need for expanded rights and freedoms without detailing the responsibilities and duties which come with these rights. We are selfish and self-centered, more concerned with personal pleasure than the pursuit of solid values.

Our cherished documents will never cease to be great. But, the People have stopped working at being great and replaced it with an entitlement to greatness, no work required.

Great leadership can inspire greatness in people. Unfortunately, our current leadership embodies the worst of our nations selfish, narcissistic and lackadaisical attitude toward self and life. 'We The People' need to aspire to be as great as the documents that are our guiding light.

And the budget
Good article. Don't forget balancing the federal budget (and stopping the borrowing).

throw out the bums in Washington!
re:

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Gabby writes:
It was impossible to get through to
Mel Martinez's office. The only way to do it was to tell the DEMOCRAT Senator from Florida (Bill Nelson) to tell Mel to back off the amnesty bill.

I hope the voters give Mel Martinez the boot in the next election. He doesn't represent Florida's interests or the interests of America and he is one big reason why the RNC is losing money.

FIRE HIM!

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Did anybody miss how Carlos Gutierrez, Mel Martinez, Ken Salazar, and Roberto Menendez who are all rich hispanics were omnipresent together telling us what a good thing the reconquista would be for us, but nobody in the MM suggested that ethnocentric racism was in play? Throw in Vicente Fox shill "smilin' Juan" Hernandez and Geraldo for that matter, and myriad spokespersons for La Raza, LULAC, etc.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051502022.html

Gabby makes a good point-- Pan-Mexican Presidente Jorge helped make Martinez head of thE RNC (Rino Network for reConquista), but this is helping drive Republicans away from the current RINO Party.

This globalist, open borders, multicultural, bilingual, NAU/SPP, scamnesty (bring them out of the shadows with a path to citizenship) disingenuous drivel tripe is alienating Middle America. The ILLEGAL alien invasion and permeation will destroy America like a cancer destroying the host body UNLESS we radiate it at the source. We need to secure the border and enforce EXISTING laws.

Fully 72% consider this a HIGH priority (Rasmussen) while < 30% care much about a path to citizenship for the serial lawbreakers. It is NOT that "our immigration system is broken"-- au contraire, it is nonfeasance by our government which instead serves as a welcome mat south of the border. Presidente Jorge is the Quisling-In-Chief. We need to keep rattling their cages in Washington where cheap labor lobbying $ and latino votes direct their thinking against the best socio-economic interests of America. YOU can contact them easily right here-- bookmark it and give them a piece of your mind regularly-- in English!

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

Some light reading where you can stay engaged to save America from the onslaught:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/immigration_bill_failure_proves_rasmussen_s_first_law_of_politics
http://www.numbersusa.com/index
http://www.grassfire.org/
http://www.newsmax.com/hottopics/Immigration!Borders.shtml
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
http://www.grasstopsusa.com/
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchd74c
http://capwiz.com/usbc/index_frame.dbq?url=http://capwiz.com/usbc/home/
http://stopspp.com/stopspp/?page_id=11
http://vdare.com/misc/070607_economist.htm
http://www.upi.com/Zogby/UPI_Polls/2007/06/21/analysis_majority_oppose_immigration_bill/2755/
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back704.html
http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back906.html
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTUyZjY3NzExYjIxODU0NmVmYWE4MTAxNTZlOWJkNDk=

right or wrong
It was with a breath of fresh air I got reading this article. Finally someone understands correctly the WHY!

Where's the fence?
It's been reported numerous times, which some have obviously ignored. The House passed a fence bill LAST YEAR. They also appropriated $'s FOR the fence. Its sitting in a fund waiting; according to Rep. Hunter. Some also forget that GWB SIGNED THE BILL INTO LAW. What's it waiting on - Homeland Security. Specifically Chertoff!



Someone needs to write to congress...
And tell them this little adage...

First things first; Everything else, not first.

Unfortunatly that would make too much sense to that crowd.

jd

From the link above
For those who may not care to click and read.


Edward Mandell House

The Council on Foreign Relations was founded in 1921 by Edward Mandell House, who had been the chief advisor of President Woodrow Wilson. Actually, he was more than just a prominent aide of the President; he dominated the President. He was referred to as Wilson’s "alter ego" (other self), and was credited for being the most powerful individual in the United States during the Wilson Administration from 1913 until 1921.

House was a Marxist whose goal was to socialize the United States. In 1912, House wrote the book "Philip Dru: Administrator" in which he stated that he was working for "Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx." In this book, House laid out a plan for the conquest of America, telling how both the Democratic and Republican Parties would be controlled, and be used as instruments in the creation of a socialistic government. And he asked for the establishment of a state-controlled central bank, which were both proposed in "The Communist Manifesto". And it was in 1913, during the very first year of the House-dominated Wilson Administration, that both of these proposals became law. The Federal Reserve Act was passed, which brought into power a private central bank to create the money of the United States, taking this power away from the united States Congress. And the 16th Amendment to the United States Constitution, the graduated income tax as proposed by Karl Marx, was also ratified.


Correction
These are the money men who select the men and put up for the rest of us to "choose" from.

Better said:
These are the money men who select the candidates and put up for the rest of us to "choose" from.

You can begin to understand
TeeHall writes: Monday, July, 02, 2007 7:23 AM
Okay Star, But Why
Your article is right on but what are the reasons for GW Bush to be so much in love with the scheme while he knew he was screwing his base? Compassion? Money? His daddy told him to do it? None of the phoney arguments for doing it hold water, so what is it?
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If you will take the time to read all about the CFR (Council of Foreign Relations).

Here is the first site that is not a CFR site itself(they will just pat their own backs) that popped up on a google search.

http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/cfr.html
The Council on Foreign Relations

And the Trilateral Commission

________________________

The two organizations that run the United States



by Melvin Sickler

_________

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there are two groups of elite men and women in particular that most American people do not know about, but which are a clear threat and danger to the freedom of the American people. These are the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and the Trilateral Commission.

Right now the United States is completely under the control of those who run these two organizations (David Rockefeller in particular). It is therefore important to understand these organizations if we wish to understand what has been taking place in the United States since the early 1900’s.

The resource material I am using that explains in depth what these two organizations are all about was written by Jack Newell and Devvy Kidd ("Why A Bankrupt America?", Project Liberty, P.O. Box 741075, Arvada, CO 80006-9075). Please allow me to share the main ideas with you.

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Read many different sites by others who do not belong to that shadow government of elites.

This is the explanation and who has the ear of the President and most of our politicians.

These are the money men who select the men and put up for the rest of us to "choose" from.



reply to : Jaime Carter
re:
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Jimmy Carter writes: Monday, July, 02, 2007 10:49 PM
lodestar is a horse's arse.
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Ah, more eloquent ad hominem calumny braying from the chimichanga cabal. Comprende espanol, Jaime? Does the truth hurt that much? As the great Ronald Reagan opined, facts are stubborn things!

losestar is a horse's arse.
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TIME: Why Amnesty Makes Sense
A recent cover story in TIME suggested it is time for amnesty. I read the facile, vacuous arguments they proffered. I could see this one coming --> two weeks later, TIME'S Inbox was full --> letters broke 90%(!) for: "amnesty makes no sense-- we need to enforce existing laws." TIME,
not exactly considered the neanderthal conservatives' favorite fish wrapper, admitted it was, "the biggest mail getter."

When people like Vicente Fox's artful shill Juan Hernandez and Geraldo bray, "Most Americans want a path to citizenship for these good people, our good friends," they are simply proffering the big lie. I actually like it when unctuous "smilin' Juan" Hernandez comes on TV to tell us that ILLEGALS are good for us, and Geraldo says they are not only net benefits, but also LESS prone to crime than citizens. Those tall ones/canards are GUARANTEED to rally Middle America! Middle America has just spoken to Congress as well as to TIME. Fully 72% of us believe that it is a high priority to secure the border and enforce our laws:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/immigration_bill_failure_proves_rasmussen_s_first_law_of_politics

Hey guys, yesterday on one of the

threads that roberto was being his old stupid self, we finally just had to IGNORE him.

Just don't read his posts, and certainly DO NOT repsond!

Probably a good lesson learned. I suggest we do the same here.... and from now on!



Roberto: were you schooled at all?

Do you realize just exactly how you show your absolutel ignorance every time you post anything?

No, I don't suppose you do.

Well, nutroot, just so you know, every time you post, "Were you home schooled" you demonstrate just how ignorant and foolish you truly are.

Of course you don't know that on average, home schooled children do much better on SATs and other standardized test than do public schooled children!

Of course, you didn't know that home schooled children are accepted into colleges and universities... of all calibers...at an equal to, or higher rate than are public schooled children.

And of course you obviously didn't know that home schooled children on average, do as well, OR BETTER, in these colleges and universities than do public school children.

Roberto, you get and "F" and you are an "F."

I just cringe when I read your stupid posts because I'm so embarrassed for you.






Robert
ARE YOU HOME SCHOOLED?

You said the fence died with the bill in responding to BrianR. 700 miles or more were approved in separate legislation last year. Nice job libdrool! pathetic.

Now we have to push congress to continue
"The 12 million illegals did not show up here yesterday ... Does it take 20 years to realize that something isn't working?"

I've never seen a reason why this bill was such a rush-job. This bill was hatched in the dark by a few Senators and the President, and the resulting 762 page monstrosity was presented to the Senate with a whole WEEK allocated to read, debate, and pass it.

And this bill was URGENT, just HAD to pass, or we'd be unable to secure our borders, unable to enforce employer compliance, unable to bring those desperate 12 million into the bosom of America!!! Apparently those hatch-in-the-dark senators thought there would be no problem with the mandated 24-hour turnaround for approving all 12 million applications.

But - this wonder legislation failed, not due to any "wiser heads" in Congress, but due to a MASSIVE protest by individual citizens (who crashed the Senate phone system)! And we still are hearing government types whining that now that the bill's dead, we can't do ANYTHING about the 12 million illegals, about the border, about employer enforcement... Oh my arse!

What Congress and the Executive Branch can do:
Enforce the EXISTING laws (yes! we do have some!) Build the fence (we went to the moon, dammit, we can build a fence!) Improve the immigration system (we've had LEGAL immigrants waiting 7 years or more for their paperwork), hire more Border Patrol agents -- and let them use their guns to apprehend drug smugglers (PS- Sutton, don't bring in a drug smuggler to testify against our agents... such testimony is NOT unbiased). Then our Congress can try again with employer sanctions and a guest worker program as needed.

Time to Fire Congress
I have not read every post so please forgive me if I am echoing others on this thread. But the Congress has been sticking its nose into things that are not enumerated to them for 80 years. Just read the Constitution in Exile by Andrew Napolitano and your skin will crawl as you learn of how the Congress has usurped the power of the states and the people while expanding their own. In current times we see them concerning themselves with steroids in baseball and the NFL's pension plan. You gotta be kidding me! Meanwhile as Ms. Parker states Medicare and Social Security slide into the abyss and our country remains dependant on its energy from our sworn enemies - who are bound to attack us again because of our pathetic leadership. On top of all that they have impeded on our Free Speech rights with McCain-Feingold and look to do it again with any type of Fairness Doctrine. It's time to throw them out people - on both sides of the aisle and to demand term limits. Too much money in politics indeed Mr. McCain but it's not the money coming from public donations that is the problem. We cannot trust any of them anymore. YOU'RE FIRED!!!!!!!!!

Marcita
The only problem with your suggestion is that like most pesty kids, Roberto just seems to be an Energizer Bunny of idiotic comments.

He seems to have the tenacity of AIDS or Herpes. And is about as welcome.

Hey One Watt,
Why do you feel the need to go from one forum to another and try to berate others? Are you making up for your own inadequacies? Did you go to school in the public schools? Or is it simply, that you don't have any friends in your make believe world to play with, so you just feel the need to run around and say "Look at me, look at me"? Get over yourself and let people discuss and vent without your "legend in your own mind" attitude.

Robert is a liberal bore
Wiseone makes a good suggestion. It's tiresome to have to get past Robert's silly and insulting replies to other rational comments. If no one reads or replies to him, it is likely the fun will go out of it for him and he'll disappear. I'm interested in intelligent, adult, thoughtful ideas and feedback to whatever the original column subject was, not silly responses and argument that add nothing to the issue. How about we take the advice of wiseone?

WHERE'S THE FENCE???

Roberto,
the depth of your idiocy is amazingly profound.

Further, bearing in mind the level of your illiteracy, I have no idea what your "grade" of a C or D even means in the real world alphabet.

And the very idea that you, the King of Imagination, he of the Black Helicopter world, the man who has "held" a badge that evidently belonged to someone else, who was on the campus of the FLETC but is not a Fed, the Walter Mitty of Townhall, would think you could teach anyone anything other than how to spin tall tales, is a hoot!

Please, Roberto, isn't it past your bedtime yet? Let the adults talk now.



Anchor Roberto's...
..animosity towards those who are home schooled must come from his own personal experience with dealing with his stupid parents.

I will give his parents the benefit of the doubt and think they did the best they could with what they had to work.

Roberto, you're a total moron
The fence bill was a separate piece of legislation passed and funded last year.

If you'd learn how to read, you could at least make a try at keeping up with current events.

Then you wouldn't sound like such a perpetual cretin.

American for term limits
As long as the Senate continues to be the American version of the House of Lords tey will continue to look only after their own selfish interest.

How come someone can only be elected president twice but Senators can be Senators for life?

Carol
Your point may certainly be a factor in our demographics... how many million would have been...?

BrianR
I am not the least bit surprised that Chertoff and Bush are contributors to the "no fence" reality. Bush has maintained throughout his Presidency that his "solution" to illegal immigration is to let them stay.

Why would he suddenly try to stop them from coming?

To wbheff @ 2:37 PM
No, you are not alone.

I have noticed this practice of re-posting the same comments - regardless of the column - over and over again.

Part of what makes the comments (most of them) interesting to read is their relevance to the column above their posts.

Is it possible for us to agree to discontinue this intellectually lazy practice?

Where's the Fence?
That's the question I ask on my blog (click my name) and the problem lies with BOTH major parties. You'll be surprised at the answer, and it lays directly at the feet of Michael Chertoff and George Bush.

Though the House Repubs are better than the Senate and White House -- they have to face election every time is why -- there's plenty of blame to go around.

About illegals
The are forming a "campaign of resistance". They are demanding a moratorium against future raids, and deportations. The campaign is aimed at bringing this government, and economy to a halt. Tho bring economic actions against corporations that support anti immigration legislators and programming. The plan a march on Washington July 17th.

How about that? For illegals, they sure are making demands. All the while our noble Dept. of Homeland Security, says it can't really do anything about all these illegals in country.

We're going to have to have a Tom Tancredo, and Duncan Hunter ticket to stop this mess!!

Annoyance
Mentioning no names, yet, am I the only reader who finds it annoying that some people go from column to column on TH and post the same, way too long responses on site after site?


Illegals on a movement
Reading Michelle Malkin this morning, She said that the Mexicans are going to (paraphrase) unite and bring down our economy.

They aren't giving up, they want our country.!!

Get out your guns and ammo!!

wiseone
Agreed -- got caught with the proverbial pants down there. I originally thought he was misquoting me, and just wanted to point that out. The need to be polite in acknowledging that (on reread) he had, in fact, posted a disagreement -- through stream-of-consciousness drive-by -- then took over, with the inevitability of gravity.

You're right. Just Say No. :-)

Sunthe1
Thanks for your post. My Pastor and I were discussing the bill last week and neither of us could figure out the President's position or that of some of the Republican Senators. We also couldn't figure out why it was being rushed through. My Pastor even asked "What do they know that we don't know?" The whole thing just didn't make any sense. I have always believed that President Bush is a good man who is genuinely trying to do what he thinks is right for America (not that I agree with him all of the time, as on the illegal immigration issue). Your post has given me something to think about. And, if you're right, I believe the reason no one was talking about these issues is because of the white elephant in the living room - ABORTION.

dyerje
Intelligent, adult posters on this site suggested to me yesterday that we should shun Robert, and I agreed to join them. I find he is most effectively shunned if you don't even read his posts, let alone respond to him.

Or as Had Enough put it, please don't feed the liberals.

... or
I guess you were RESPONDING. It's hard to tell with your posts.

Actually, we do have quite a few very fine minds out there today. A big difference between today and 1776 is that today there are so many people with only semi-fine minds (or worse) who can make themselves heard in the public discussion.

If we had available a record of the critical thinking of most Americans in 1776, it's a good bet we would find most of it as tendentious and logic-challenged as much of what we see today.

I think people will, in fact, start to listen, as it becomes clearer and clearer that there are institutional obstacles and inertia that can't be overcome by Congress as it has been functioning since the 1930s.

The people have been able to avert a terrible piece of legislation, in the late immigration bill, but that's a negative power only. We still do need positive reform, and that's something that's been virtually impossible in recent decades. With major issues like the impending bankruptcy of entitlement programs, out-of-control discretionary spending by Congress, and the problems of illegal aliens and border security, what has been demonstrated is that a continuation of Congress' "ops normal," under either party, will only produce more fake "remedies," and in fact acceleration toward the train wreck we can already see from here.

Robert
You're quoting someone else in your 11:59 post. Not me.

Don't dare voice your disapproval
of the Amnesty bill or correct those who would call you a racist for doing the same on the Lucianne.com board, or knock Bush and his out-of-touch commitment to this wayward legislation or they will boot you off the board, just like they would at DU or The Daily Kos if you had the opposite opinions. I've criticized the dems (and rightly so) mercilessly and nary a peep, but refute one of the site trolls and look out - no free speech there.

Some responses to posts
Bush's support of illegals is puzzling. One possible explanation is that his sister-in-law Columba, Jeb Bush's wife, is a Mexican national. That means his nephew, Jeb's son, the only male heir to GWB's generation in the Bush family, is also of hispanic heritage.

This could cause him some emotional diversion from conservatism. And Bush is not a strong conservative to begin with.

Sunthe1 suggests term limits, but to do this we have to get this same political class to vote for it, which is like asking them to vote themselves after a job.

Also, regarding "earmarks". In 1992 two Senators, Graham and Rudman, pointed out that the military and entitlements comprised 90% of government spending and that only 10% of spending went for things Americans traditionally had considered to be functions of government. What we today call "earmarks" or "pork" would have been included in that 10% in 1992.

Today the military comprises about 19% of our budget. Entitlements comprise about 63%. That totals 82%. There is no doubt that 18% of an annual budget of $400 billion still leaves huge funds available for "pork", not to mention waste and corruption. But what is driving us off the cliff, as Parker puts it, are the ENTITLEMENTS. Parker identifies only two of these, SS and Medicare.

The bottom line on entitlements is this. They comprise nearly two-thirds of what government does, and NONE of them are mandated by the Constitution. And EVERY ONE OF THEM requires redistribution of wealth, which in turn justifies the government interefering in your life, confiscating your wealth, and, in some cases, your property.

Sanctified self interest…

‘What politician today can articulate the handful of principles and ideals embodied in the few pages of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution? Which ones actually care and try to use these principles in formulating public policy?...We are going to have to bring these ideals, which define this country and make it great, actively back into our lives if we are going to meet the challenges ahead.' –Star Parker


Thanks for these good questions, but your statement has a fatal flaw. The ideals you reference are not in our back pockets to be pulled out at will. Though despised by our culture these things have a real, historical origin. They did not come out of thin air nor will they be recovered by force of will. This link is an introduction to our theological heritage suppressed by the revisionists, but undeniable in first hand sources available to anyone who wants to know:

http://valiantfortruth.townhall.com/g/93e74422-2129-4fe4-89d4-40c336105d83

As seen in the history of capitalism, the principles of conservatism have no power to transform men. Self interest must be sanctified or the abuses will come no matter how good the system or how righteous the laws. This is a matter of theology more than anything else. As theology goes, the culture will follow.

The way of recovery is dependent on a supernatural revival of Biblical Christianity. The gospel has power to change the heart of men. It is transformed men and their influence that transforms the culture. Will the modern church learn from the past revivals where God was exalted and men were humbled by the preaching of the whole council of God? Will the church repent and return to her first love? Truth is the essential ingredient in revival, not miraculous gifts or sensationalism.


Big government = big problems
What this column makes clear more than anything is the folly of big government. There are too many problems for them to deal with and because their involvement complicates problems, they cannot address them in the manner they deserve hence the "comprehensive" ruses. The "broken" part of many programs is government corruption and incompetence. Bloggers and readers of TH knew more about the contents of the immigration bill than the politicians and political hacks who were telling us it was too complicated to understand while calling us bigots and xenophobes and other things. Big government is in trouble and 2008 can't come fast enough for me.

Time for another Convention
Another Constitutional Convention.

Well, now...
It doesn't require placing it under the Commerce Clause, because it can be done under the full faith and credit clause of Article 4 - Section 1 of the constitution.

Flagwaver: while I agree up to a point
I see no reason the Congress CAN'T pass the law. They could put it under the Commerce Clause, like they do everything else. ROFLMAO!

But, seriously, (ahem) they could pass it as a federal law (I think) for ALL states because all states have senators and reps.


lodestar...
One of the biggest things I see here that can be a terrible problem for this president's remaining 18 months, is that he now has absolutely no credibility with the American People (which is really saying something, I know), and he's used any political capital that he may have had, to do other things, such as get another justice of the supreme court nominated and approved, or get some of the appellate court justices that are languishing in Leaky Leahy's judicial committee.

Then there is Iraq, SSA, Medicare, the sundowning tax reductions, etc., ad nauseum.....

thank the "good" senators
It is a very good idea to take a few minutes to thank the Senators of BOTH parties who listened to Middle America (though some like that imperious phony toad Voinovich were simply running for cover at the last minute).

This truly was, as some of the astute commentators noted, a GREAT week for the vox populi! Ed Rollins, Lou Dobbs, Pat Buchanan, Bill Schneider and others observed, that it was one of the most significant events in decades.

You can readily reach the Senators right here at their offical sites:

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

If you want to see who voted how, go right here (the "nays" are the heroes):

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/28/dobbs.cloture6.28/index.html

Finally, a sample letter (e-mail) below that I sent... [Rasmussen links added here for readers]

***********************************************
Dear Senator McCaskill:

We saw you regularly on TV taking a courageous stand against the flow to oppose the amnesty legislation.

We realize that this is a complicated issue and that there were powerful lobbying forces on the other side. They tried to put lipstick on the pig, but it was still filthy with artful deceptions. Per Rasmussen, even two-thirds of
democrats feel that our highest priority should be stopping the flow of ILLEGAL aliens, and less than 25% of ALL voters are much worried about a path to citizenship for border crashers and visa violators.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/immigration_bill_failure_proves_rasmussen_s_first_law_of_politics
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/just_26_favor_senate_immigration_plan

If President Bush wanted to, he could live up to his oath of office and enforce EXISTING LAWS: and build 800 miles of approved border fence, hire thousands of border guards, and enforce workplace employment laws. We simply need an Executive Branch that will respond to the clear will of the people. Enforcement FIRST-- then we can demand that ILLEGALS start playing by OUR rules (just like the rest of us have) if they truly want to apply to come back as citizens.

Thanks for your service to America.

Flagwaver...
Incorrect answer, but thanks for playing anyway.

The Founding Fathers never intended for term limits for the President. The writing of the constitution stated that the length of term for the President is to be 4 years, but the number of terms that the President could be elected to serve for was, within the bounds of human lifespans, infinite. George Washington established the TRADITION of two terms, a tradition that was held to until FDR decided that he wanted to be a de facto monarch. It was during Truman's second term that a two term limit, having been proposed and put to the states in 1947, was ratified and entered into the constitution, in 1951, as the 22nd amendment.

Perhaps that is what we need to do with the house and senate, start a grass roots campaign for another amendment to the constitution to limit the of terms that our legislators can serve.

President Jorge in a death spiral
Did you catch Pan-Mexican Quisling-In-Chief Presidente Jorge speaking with acute chagrin about the demise of Scamnesty?! Talk about a lame duck-- he looked like a dead duck! Sometimes we reap what we sow. Jorge told them recently while visiting his amigos in Mexico that he personally would work for THEM on immigration "reform" HERE. He had already surreptitiously agreed on his own to send non-existent S.S. funds (taxed as we go) south to Mexico. He has played a shell game with border security and enforcement-- a wink that was well known to the border crashers. He had had his lackeys persecute and prosecute Campean and Ramos in a show trial with kangaroo justice, in part to influence last year's Mexican election.

Stick a fork in that turkey Jorge-- he is done. Contrary to what some gadfly naysayers have brayed generally and in Washington in shameful red herring fashion, we were NOT "fearful xenophobes". The fear was of our own deceiptful, duplicitous government! There is NO TRUST that Jorge would EVER mean his facile lines about, "Of course, border security and enforcement must come first." we know that thousands of agents have been approved and 800 miles of fence, but NOTHING done. Sell that tripe to the Polish Navy Jorge! We have been down that primrose path with "we will not engage in nation building" and we "will be fiscally responsible." Once burned, shame on you,... twice burned, shame on us!

tunneler
Let me take a stab at why term limits are constitutional for the President and not for the Congress. In the case of the President, it is clear that the Founders intended for their to be limits on the term of President, so that there was no chance of a President becoming a de-facto monarch. When FDR began winning term after term, the Congress saw that this arrangement was on the verge of becoming dangerous and creating King Franklin so the Constitution was amended to place a definite limit on presidential terms. Also, it was a Constitutional issue because the President is the one elected official that is voted on by the entire country.

I think the reason that SCOTUS has held that placing federal term limits on Congressmen is unconstitutional is because theses are people elected by members of districts (House) or the entire state (Senate) and the idea of limiting them should come from the states, not from the federal government. Term limits for members of Congress is a state's rights issue and the SCOTUS has left that issue to be decided by the states; in fact, I do believe that some states do term limit their Congressional members. Maybe more states should look into doing that as well.

barry...
I like your ideas about changing the environment in DC, unfortunately one small snag, SCOTUS.

It's already been ruled that term limits, for senators and legislators, are unconstitutional, though it is for the president, go figure.

Let's build the fence and get rid of the 800,000+ convicted felons that were to be deported and merely walked away while waiting for their deportation hearings, for starters, and here's an idea:

Every illegal that is caught goes to a border camp and they are used as cheap labor to build the fence, and forget about 874 miles of fence, as mandated in Duncan Hunter's 2006 legislation, build the dam* thing all the way. Each group of illegals are given a certain length of fence to build, and as each section of fence is built, those illegals are dropped off on the other side of the fence, given about $5,000 each and sent back to where ever it is they came from with our thanks.

Cost/time efficient, and I find the irony to be most satisfying!


who killed scamnesty?
Who objected to scamnesty?

There has been some predictable disingenuous drivel apologia and sophistry about why the scamnesty bill got derailed -->

Myth 1) scamnesty was stopped by conservative Republicans

Actually, 15 'Crats voted against it, which was almost 1/3 of them... even the ethnocentric latino groups were objecting to the parts that would allegedly have enforced our laws... organized labor objected to parts... but MOST IMPORTANT, Middle America despised this travesty.

Fully 15 'Crat Senators voted against this travesty, so it is a facile myth that hard-core conservatives killed it... those votes would have easily passed the cloture.

The quislings also abandoned the best intersts of America:
A number of open borders, NAU RINOS went with it despite the egregious warts. Lindseed Grahamos, Juan McQuisling, Arlen Spectercide, Ricardo Lugar, Burrito Bennett, Amigo Craig, Carlos Hagel, and Juan Kyl all made Faustian deals to sell out America for votes and/or $-- just as Quisling-In-chief Presidente Jorge Jorge (and his minions Carlos Gutierrez, eunuch shill Chertoff, and Mel Martinez) decided to do long ago.

Myth 2) It shows that a small vocal minority can have a disproportionate influence on Congress-- most Americans favored the bill's goals.

Au contraire, regardless of who spoke out to the Senate with righteous indignation, the bill was OVERWHELMINGLY eschewed by those familiar with the details... the disingenuous Grand Bargain power brokers simply turned a deaf ear to Middle America and got thumped as a result:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/immigration_bill_failure_proves_rasmussen_s_first_law_of_politics

an excerpt:
"The final Rasmussen Reports national telephone poll before the vote found that just 22% of Americans supported the legislation.

Near the end of the debate, supporters of the doomed legislation often stated that the status quo is unacceptable. Most Americans would agree on that point. In fact, they might even hold that feeling more strongly than the Grand Bargainers of the Senate--72% of American voters believe it’s Very Important to reduce illegal immigration and enforce the borders.

But controlling the border was NEVER a focal point of the Senate debate. Instead, the Senators spent most of the time debating the fine points of various approaches to legalizing those who are here illegally. For voters, those topics were DEFINITELY a second-or-third tier aspect of the issue. Only 29% of voters say it is Very Important for “the government to legalize the status of illegal aliens already in the United States.”
************************************************

The Scamnesty bill was a baxtard mix of evil from several agenda-driven groups. The main goal of many in the Senate was to appease two groups: miscreant employers who buy the senators, and ethnocentric latino groups and voters (see unctuous "smilin' Juan" Hernandez, a shill for Vicente Fox, and Geraldo proffering facile myths about "our undocumented friends from Mexico"). Both self-aggrandizing groups have one common goal-- getting more ILLEGALS here. So the Senate and Presidente Jorge play a shell game with America--ALL of the alleged enforcement goals were a FARCE, just as with the 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli Bill. America simply smelled the Trojan horse puckey this time!

Ergo, we would simply get a still bigger tsunami of them, they would vote well before citizenship, the rules would be morphed, and America would go to hello. Miscreant employers KNOW it would be a LONG time before wages would go up, AND that Presidente Jorge and Congress have no REAL intent to crack down on the hand that feeds them-- business bribes/lobbying money. Middle America would continue to subsidize the monstrous pandemic concomitant social pathology costs of the ILLEGAL invaders (crime, drugs, gangs, illegitimacy, dropouts, social service enervation, school decimations via bilingualism, barrio blight, etc. ad nauseam).

Bravo!, Ms. Parker!
Now, for an encore, we need to devise a plan to take back government from the career politicians in Washington and the 50 state capitals.

Term limits? Maybe it'll take the threat of a Constitutional amendment to bring them about.

End of earmarks? Maybe something as simple as a faithful listing each and every day of the earmarks and other spending amendments to each and every proposed piece of legislation will at least reduce them. I realize that there are sources for this information, but getting the message out in broad form might shine a little more light on the problem.

Just thinking quickly about these two issues, it seems that they are linked. The biggest offenders are the Congressmen with the longest service, the "faithful servants" who have fed at the public trough for the longest.

Bring back Cincinatus!

Barry




teehall
I have the same question, and no one seems to want to really think about it rationally. It's easier to say he's a traitor, that he wants a north american union, WANTS to sell America out...all that.
Rubbish.
None of those arguments hold water in my view. Like him or not, we all know the character of the man, and beside him are other honest people who favored this bill.
What are the reasons not being discussed? I think if your question were answered, it would highlight what's REALLY wrong.

I can only guess at some of the reasons:
a) perhaps our entitlement programs (social security/medicare) need the infusion of many million new legal taxpayers, and need it soon.

b) perhaps we need to bolster numbers of working class. Our demographics don't look particularly good: we're not replacing ourselves, and baby boomers are fixin' to cost a pile of money.

c) perhaps it's not a great idea to throw those millions of illegals back to Mexico where there is nothing for them to do but starve and become angry. Think crime and terror.

If one considered all these factors, that bill might have come closer to making sense. The question is, why didn't they say so?

Good article- 2 suggested reforms
I agree with the author: there are big problems waiting to be addressed, and our congress twiddles its thumbs debating about whether talk radio is "fair".

We have systemic problems. Two reforms that would help:

If we had term limits, we'd have citizen congressmen rather than careerists.

If we got rid of earmarking, we'd have a more transparent (thus more ethical) process, and would be able to curb profligate spending. The lobbyists and the congressmen would have far less power than they do now.

There's certainly no one in DC with the guts to suggest either, which makes Parker's point: more interest in power than the good of the country.

question for haLO and others
You wrote: "...the people who finance their campaigns, who want cheap undocumented labor for their businesses, nurseries and lawns,..."
My question to you: Why were these people in support of legalizing their so-called source of cheap labor?

STAR! PERFECT! opening the eyes of blind
Since your involvement in "Project 21", I adore you.
YES!
1! - close the borders!!!
2. Never reward criminals!!!

TeeHall - reason?- Bushy wants a NA Union - No more USA, in case you've missed.
See official U.S> Gvmt site: http://www.spp.gov, then google, say, "nafta superhighway"

It's toooooo hard!
Y'all just don't understand. Sure, maybe Congress could figure out a way to legally admit all the immigrants we need "to do the jobs Americans won't do," but this could require actual THINKING, possibly polling those people who need the immigrants and finding out how many are needed. Then they might have to figure out a way to process the legal immigrants quickly and efficiently. THEN they might have to figure out what to do with those who have broken the law to come here and who continue to break various laws all over the country, from driving without a license or insurance to murder. It's so much easier to just make 'em all legal, no matter what. Voila! No more problems.

The fact that a few terrorists, people intent on destroying America, squeak across the border is simply irrelevant. After all, it's only a few (or dozens, or maybe hundreds or thousands, who knows, who cares) and if they don't kill themselves in a suicide attack (recall 9/11) then we may well prosecute them if we can find them (recall the first WTC bombing). Odd that our politicians don't seem to realize that they are a prime target for anyone hoping to disrupt our American way of life. Or maybe they assume that any intelligent terrorist will realize that Congress is doing its own part to tear America apart and will thus consider them allies.

Watch out. When they realize they can reduce prison and law enforcement costs by simply declaring that murder, robbery, burglary, rape, child molestation, etc. are no longer crimes (and to be consistent, they'll make it retroactive), we'll have another "comprehensive" bill to fight. And no doubt they'll dub all the people opposed to such a bill "bigots" or "racists," or simply "lacking in compassion." See, law enforcement is tooooo hard.

What about personal responsibility?
Why can't people accept the fact that these millions of people came here willingly and knowingly breaking the law. Many of them leaving their family behind, while paying coyotes thousands and thousands of $ to get here. They hoped they would get legalization and better paying jobs than back home.

They rolled the dice, I think most of them realize they have not the right to be here and can accept going home. The MSM and libs are pushing them and making them cry to the mpublic about how unfortunate they are they lost and have to leave.

What other country in the world has to put up with this behavior? Certainly not Mexico!

My message to all illegals of all nationalities:
"You rolled the dice. It came up craps, pay up and go home. You've got 6 months to get your affairs in order. Let those in line legally come and take your place."

Okay Star, But Why
Your article is right on but what are the reasons for GW Bush to be so much in love with the scheme while he knew he was screwing his base? Compassion? Money? His daddy told him to do it? None of the phoney arguments for doing it hold water, so what is it?

Bigbelly
I agree fully. Further, it is lack of movement on real border security that ultimately could fuel real vigilantism not the simple support group ideals of the Minutemen.

Excellent
Right on target. How many of our politicians truly espouse the ideals of our founding fathers vs how many espouse the ideals of those with the bank accounts that can get them re-elected?


Members of both parties
have become complacent and addicted to the power they have granted themselves over the past hundred years.

It is time for the people to take back the power and stop settling for the lesser of worst our country has to offer.

Maybe the blatant disregard we saw by many politicians on the immigration issue will inspire more to vote based on knowing who the candidates are and not by name recognition or party line.

Its only the beginning.
Our leaders have become more concerned about their power than the common man. Big business wanted the cheap labor and they got it. They wanted more cheap labor since the cheap labor also drove down the wages of Americans thus putting even more money in the pockets of big business. It has reached the crisis point and past it. Either we, the people run this country or the elites. Defeating this immigration bill is only the beginning. Only the beginning of the fight for our country, our culture, our very lives.

Vacuum of clarity/courage in Washington
I can't think of anything more to add to your article. You hit the nail right on the head!!!
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