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Monday, September 04, 2006
Star Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Where's the courage in education reform?
by Star Parker
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Los Angeles Mayor Antonia Villaraigosa soon will exercise more control over Los Angeles' deeply troubled school system as result of legislation that California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is expected to sign.

Similar initiatives in Boston, Chicago and New York City have resulted in some improvement in their school systems. But the real question on the table is why _ given that the future of children is at stake, and hence the future of our country _ do we settle for tepid reform when we need bold and innovative change to make a difference?

Yes, again I am talking about the need for competition in education and for school choice.

Freedom, competition and choice are what have produced the world's most powerful economy. Yet the very factors that have made America great, and have distinguished us from the rest of the world, are prohibited from operating in the education marketplace, where we produce our future citizens and workforce.

Sure, maybe giving the mayor more control and having more accountability will help in Los Angeles. But does anyone really believe that shifting around bureaucrats in a monopoly controlling 746,000 students and 80,000 employees is really going to make a big difference?

And, perhaps more to the point, will anyone claim this is the best possible answer? And, if not, what does it say about America today if we are allowing interests other than the welfare of children dictate how we manage education?

The dropout rate among Latino students in the Los Angeles Unified School District is 60 percent. Among black students it's 57 percent. Average proficiency in English and math is under 30 percent.

By the California Department of Education's own Academic Performance Index, 46 percent of elementary schools score 3 or below out of a possible 10, 72 percent of middle schools score 3 or below, and 66 percent of high schools score 3 or below.

As result of a complaint filed by my organization, CURE, along with the Alliance for School Choice, the California Department of Education is investigating compliance of the LAUSD with the school transfer provisions of No Child Left Behind.

According to NCLB, students in failing schools must be notified and permitted to transfer to another school. We have found that 250,000, about 30 percent, of the students in the LA system are eligible for such transfers, yet notification is not being given and there have only been only slightly more than 500 transfers.

Given the disaster that is taking place, you would think that the priority in the state would be to consider every possible option to find an optimal solution to educating Los Angeles' children.

But this is not the case at all.

The measure to give the mayor more authority wound up being watered down as result of pressure from the unions.

Plus, in the queue for the governor's signature, along with the bill to give the mayor more power, will be another bill passed by the California State legislature that prohibits teachers, textbooks, instructional materials and all school-sponsored activities from "reflecting adversely" on homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals.

This will certainly do wonders for low-income Latino and black students, who can't read, add, subtract and who have a 50 percent likelihood of not graduating.

According to data just released by the Census Bureau, the gap in median income between the top 20 percent in the nation and the bottom 60 percent continues to increase. It's about double what it was 30 years ago.

The rewards for education and the penalty for lack thereof are becoming increasingly pronounced. The hole into which Latino and black kids are falling in the Los Angeles school system, and other school systems in our nation's large cities, is one they're never going to be able to crawl out of.

During the last week we were reminded of the face of poverty in America that Hurricane Katrina brought to the nation's TV screens. There was a supposed outrage. But how can there be outrage that is not accompanied by bold measures?

The path out of poverty is education. To tolerate incremental change of public education in America, knowing full well that large numbers of inner city kids will not be helped, does not shine flattering light on the moral state of the nation.

In the last week, along with the focus on Katrina, there were retrospectives on the 10th anniversary of welfare reform. Courageous and innovative reform of our welfare system in 1996 produced sweeping and historic change, moving millions from government dependence to work. The reform took place in the face of opposition of the guardians of the status quo.

We must address our profound problems in education with similar resolve and boldness. Market based innovation and competition must be allowed to come into play, and we must let parents choose where to send their child to school.

To not allow this to happen, to not even give it a chance, particularly in a nation that is supposed to be free, is a moral outrage.

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Star Parker is the founder and president of CURE, the Coalition for Urban Renewal & Education, a 501c3 think tank which explores and promotes market based public policy to fight poverty, as well as author of White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects Inner City Decay.
 
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Vouchers will never happen
I am constantly amazed that the poor continually vote Democratic while the policies of the Democratics keep them down. One of the things that has shown will help them is a quality education. However, the Democrats, Latino and black leaders always are against vouchers. Maybe they are afraid that once these people become educated there will be no need for the Democrats and their socialist programs. They promise them all they need to do is fund public education more and it will magically produce different results. Major surgery is required and vouchers need to be backed by the black and Latino communities. More successful blacks need to speak out on this issue and make competition in education a priority. However, I do not hold out much hope for that to happen based upon past actions. How are the Cosbys, Sowells and Parkers received by the black community?

Too bad that markets and restaurants...
...aren't run by the government. Food would be so expensive and inadequate that we'd never get too fat.

It's past time to break the
NEA and all other teacher unions.

They are the CAUSE of the problem, NOT it's solution. Until that is accomplished, nothing of substance will happen.

Why Vouchers Don't Work
Conservatives always take about a new method (like Vouchers) for reforming some governemnt program. Libertals talk about their hoped-for outcomes and benefits for their program. In the end, voters buy the benefits and don't always have the understading of whether the benefits will come true.

To win, conservatives must put far more emphasis on talking about the benefits of their ideas and the draw backs of the current system.


The N.E,A
Take control of what the School Children will learn out of the hands of the N.E.A. Children are not a Lot of livestock, Parents must discipline, instruct and nuture their children. Stop the indoctrination of devaint sexual practices on the sex grounds, or school grounds, this undoubtably will be grounds for all kinds of human divorce. What is the goal of educators today, to screw up everyones children??? Children are becoming increasingly violent and unhappy and even self abusing themselves and others, alot of time within their families. Wake up and see the promblem, children need sturcture and rules, discipline and love, real love, not sex, sex and more sex, I am very apualed and downright sick to my very core of my being, on how horribly wrong it is to use children as pawns in this sick way of making big$$$$$ bucks for the purpose of big pay checks for no real education value for our youths.

Public schools are succeeding..
they were designed to create useful idiots for those seeking to destroy our constitutional republic for a communist society.

You are Heterosexual
You are Heterosexual
You are Heterosexual because the Sun must rise
As the Sun of the Earth must rise to give sustaining warmth, light and life
The Son of Man must rise for he has a purpose too
To rise up and bring forth life with all that God has given him
To honor and love
To protect the blood of his offspring
To give and receive this love
It takes a heterosexaul
The blueprint of the creator
You are Heterosexual

Education
Conservatives have been touting the need to close down the department of Education for a while now, probably ever since it was conceived and opened. So why hasn't that been done?

Labor unions have their place, just not in education.

Teaching on sexual orientation will not help you get a job later in life. Teaching on math and reading will.

The key to education
In the world that God created, parents are the ones to teach children. In the world that man created, children are to be taken from their parents and put into education factories.

One sees the disappointing results of the output of education factories and considers what can be done to correct the problems. Vouchers, testing, more money, and teacher training are all suggested and even attempted. The people who run the factories will never accept any change. They want to keep getting the money and not have to show results.

It is understandable that teachers shy away from results. Other than the slight improvements that can be achieved in motivation, teachers have little impact on learning because they cannot influence learning. It is the children who learn. Brighter children learn more than dim ones.

The areas where the education factories excel are in the destruction of the family, socialist and collectivist indoctrination, and inculcation of sexual and drug indulgences.

If we are left in a position to consider the causes to the end of our culture, we will have to rate high the influence of education factories. If we do get another chance, it might be best to return to the system created by God. The problem wasn’t kicking God out of school, the problem was taking the children out of the home where God put them.

Drop Arguments for Reform
The history of and justification for government-provided public education is indeed sordid. In a nutshell public-education advocates were essentially Socialists who saw great opportunity to mold (read manipulate) the minds of youth to accept, even expect government oversight into their lives.

Given this discernible background, talks of reform miss the forest for the trees. The forest is compulsory attendance laws (forced attendance under threat of law), compulsory tax-support (paying for schools even if one has no children attending same), etc.

If these sound like radical proposals, then I submit that the ideas promulgated by the Founders of this Republic were equally radical.

How Can We Help?
Ms. Parker writes: "The path out of poverty is education. To tolerate incremental change of public education in America, knowing full well that large numbers of inner city kids will not be helped, does not shine flattering light on the moral state of the nation."

I think that this is a brilliant paragraph, and agree wholeheartedly. Now what? I believe in education, I support vouchers and vote conservative. What other suggestions do you have to support this position? Any ideas accepted.


NOTE: "skier" in the first post asks the question: "How are the Cosbys, Sowells and Parkers received by the black community?"
I think this question is a good one and very worthy of a column by Ms. Parker.
I'd very much like to hear the answer.

Education Reform
As a person who became a teacher as a second career, I have some relevant observations on the schools.

First off, due to liberals, unions, politicians, lawyers, and some parents, the teacher does not have the control in the classroom that he used to have. The discipline the teacher is allowed, and also the administration is allowed, is ineffectual. The process required to be followed to remove a disruptive student from the classroom, or the school, is more convulated and time consuming than appeals for a criminal convicted of murder and sentenced to death. Without adequate classroom discipline, there cannot be learning.

To wit: if a student is disruptive and I call the parent (assuming I can get in touch with one) the response is that the student did nothing wrong and why am I picking on him. Meanwhile, this student acts up in class a prevents others from learning.

Not all students are disruptive. In fact, the majority of them want to learn and do their best. But it takes just one or two of them to destroy the learning environment. A couple of years ago, I had a couple of students from Hell. I spent more time one discipline then teaching. It got to the point where I changed my lesson plans from a 40 minute lesson to a twenty. One day, the two students who caused the disruptions wre both absent. I finished the lesson plan with twenty five minutes to spare and the students there not only learned the information but enjoyed the class.

Politicians have kowtowed to certain groups regarding schools. Recently, in Illinois, where I teach, they changed the minimum age that a student to drop out from sixteen to seventeen. The results is that instead of having freshman and sophomores in classes where there are heavy discipline problems and little learning, we now have freshman, sophomores, and juniors in that situation.

Every right we have can be abridged or rescinded by authorities through due process when we have abused them. (Examples, felons cannot own guns, vote, and even petty criminals can lose their freedom for as period). Recognizing education as right that can be lost would be a good first step.

Only we eliminate the classroom disruptions to allow the students who want to learn to do so, can we work on the root cause of these disruptions.

timf
"Brighter children learn more than dim ones." That is not the way the education establishment teaches children. The bright and dim ones are placed into the same class and they are taught to the lowest common denominator. Therefore, the bright ones do not get the education they could if you grouped them together. If they were grouped together according to intelligence and willingness to learn you would hear cries of discrimination from the left. It is that equal outcomes that liberals want but can't achieve. Some people will rise above others regardless of their circumstances.

Unions,Teachers,Principles and minoritie
We have many great teachers and principles who love and care for the children and their education. They also know how to provide an adequate learning experience. But, unions,tenure and the NEA make it nearly impossible for a school system to weed out those teachers and principles that do not perform up to standards. Ignorance and incompetence run rampant in the school system and these people are protected by tenure. If you are a teacher in an "F" school for say five years, you are still teaching. Would you still be working in the mainstream business if you were unable to be effective? I think not. Recently the NEA said that their primary objective was to assure that homosexual unions were their number one priority. Your article reiterates a similar theme. This is another powerful group pushing their agenda and destroying our country. No one will stand up to them, so our children and grandchildren lose, again. This country is sick and dying because no one will standup and be counted.

Given to corruption...

“Plus, in the queue for the governor's signature, along with the bill to give the mayor more power, will be another bill passed by the California State legislature that prohibits teachers, textbooks, instructional materials and all school-sponsored activities from "reflecting adversely" on homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals.” –Star Parker


Ms. Parker, this statement says all we need to know about educational reform. Ms. Coulter has exposed the government schools as the churches of liberalism in her new book. This law certainly favors one religion over another, but because it is not a Federal initiative we do not see it as a violation of the first amendment. The California people are getting legislation from the folks they elected to office.

Suppose you are a Christian father in that state with school age children. You are teaching your children the preeminence of Jesus Christ as revealed in the Scriptures. You are teaching them that the Bible is sufficient for the man of God to be prepared for every good work. You are teaching them the Law of God as revealed in the Ten Commandments.

Now, the public school system has begun to advocate an ethic that is different from Christianity: an ethic that contradicts the Christian ethic. What can you do?

1. If able, you can leave the system for home schooling or private school. Both of these options involve huge commitments of time and money.

2. Stay in the system and work for real reform. Since this involves the dismantling of the education bureaucracy and the transformation of the basic philosophy of education from secular back to Christian, this will require supernatural revival of Biblical Christianity. The revival must start in the church. Pray for a revival of truth.

3. In either case open the Scriptures to your children. The world is given to corruption. Men love darkness rather than light. Christ and His people are salt and light. The church is the foundation and support of truth. The world will suppress the truth. Jesus Christ has overcome this world of sin and death. His authority is absolute. Our hope is in Him. The Kingdom of God transcends this world.

Shut Down Public Education
I have a post at my blog (http://bgnoise.wordpress.com/2006/09/03/shut-down-public-education/) in which I recommend an approach to shutting down the public education system over a period of five to ten years. I admit this is a drastic undertaking but think the results would be worth the effort.

Missing the Point
Reforming education is a misnomer. As someone mentioned before, the schools are working exactly as intended. If you don't believe this fact, read John Taylor Gatto (www.johntaylorgatto.com). Those who want vouchers are also missing the point. If the government pays, the government can and does make the rules. Right now, in California, the government is trying to control homeschoolers, albeit subtly, by "giving" us money to homeschool. I'm not taking a dime. Only when parents realize it is their job to educate their children will the public schools close; we will then be on our way to getting back to a truly free country.

By the way, I remember when Villagarosa was running for office. There were tons of commercials for smaller class size. As a former teacher (at the college level), I couldn't help but think: He's the mayor! What does he have to do with government schools?!? My guess is that you'll see this plan spreading across the country, where mayors and sherriffs and whatnot take over the local schools. They will blame it on "reform" and say that they want to help the economy. In truth it is part of the communist school-to-work agenda that most parents don't even know exists.

Welfare mentality
When you have welfare to fall back on, education isn't as important to many parents who "get by" and teach there children the same. Drop out? Why sure Johnny. Then you can join me in the food stamp line.

Don't get me wrong. I want to help the truly needy. But when people can rely on somebody taking care of them, they have less incentive to do more to better themselves and they teach their children how to "beat the system" they beat as well. However, go to a "poor Asian" community in the U.S. and you will see networking, pooling money to start neighborhood businesses, demands on children to not only get a good education but work in the neighborhood businesses, too. The entire culture of the community is different because they believe they have to help each other and not depend just on government to become successful.

China and India are also examples of the stress on education. 90% of our students can't pass the entrance exam for their engineering schools and with 4 and 5 times our population they are graduating 9 times the engineers we do. Also, in most, their standards are higher and their graduates ranked as top of the grade engineers.

All of the points others have made about unions, governments, parents, homeschooling, etc. are true, but we also have to add the "culture" in general we find in many communities and how they "depend" on others outside the community for help while some don't wait for help but do it themselves in the community. That latter culture is the culture of our early nation when there was no federal government and even state governments were day's travel away.

Why America should have public schools.
I am quite frankly amazed that no-one has mentioned the benefits of public schooling. It gives a chance if not an equal chance to those living in poverty, and introducing a voucher system will allow the rich to get cheaper private schooling, will remove the well off from the schools which will remove many of the best students (i.e. those who are most likely to come from stable environments hence find it easier to study at school). Those who are left over will be the poorest who will suffer from severe budget cuts as the DOE's money goes to pay private schools. This will trample on the weakest members of society giving the rich and the middle classes a foot up as well as being an instrument of social segregation aimed at seperating the rich predominantly white children from the poor predominantly Black, Hispanic and immigrant communities, giving both a stunted world veiw.

On the issue of school curiculi, your state is nominally secular. No religion should be given priority. Before some of you start froathing at the mouth complaining of the sinister liberal-commie-gay conspiricy that many of you clearly believe control the education system, liberalism is not a religion. Nor is it being forced down your children's throats. School is often the only place where people are given a different world veiw be it deistic or atheistic, reletivist or absolutist. They are challenged to think about their own veiws rather than blindly accepting what the media says or alternitvly ancient writtings of highly questionable validity with many things which all civilised people now consider repugnant such as slavery and excecution for adultery and petty theft.

Finally (don't worry my rant will finnish soon)to baseballdr as to your point about all parents having to educate their children, this is part of the reason behind the development of an aristocracy in Europe which ruled for many centuries. If education is left to the parents those who can afford it will be able to give their children a massive headstart while the poorest will not be given a fair chance at life and will be condemned from the day they leave the womb. I will also refer to my earlier point that people will be socially insulated and lack the breadth of knowledge that allows them to have an informed world veiw.

My deepest gratitude to those who have stuck it through and finished reading this post. I am now going to go and do some deep breathing as I try to calm down.

Why America should have public schools.
I am quite frankly amazed that no-one has mentioned the benefits of public schooling. It gives a chance if not an equal chance to those living in poverty, and introducing a voucher system will allow the rich to get cheaper private schooling, will remove the well off from the schools which will remove many of the best students (i.e. those who are most likely to come from stable environments hence find it easier to study at school). Those who are left over will be the poorest who will suffer from severe budget cuts as the DOE's money goes to pay private schools. This will trample on the weakest members of society giving the rich and the middle classes a foot up as well as being an instrument of social segregation aimed at seperating the rich predominantly white children from the poor predominantly Black, Hispanic and immigrant communities, giving both a stunted world veiw.

On the issue of school curiculi, your state is nominally secular. No religion should be given priority. Before some of you start froathing at the mouth complaining of the sinister liberal-commie-gay conspiricy that many of you clearly believe control the education system, liberalism is not a religion. Nor is it being forced down your children's throats. School is often the only place where people are given a different world veiw be it deistic or atheistic, reletivist or absolutist. They are challenged to think about their own veiws rather than blindly accepting what the media says or alternitvly ancient writtings of highly questionable validity with many things which all civilised people now consider repugnant such as slavery and excecution for adultery and petty theft.

Finally (don't worry my rant will finnish soon)to baseballdr as to your point about all parents having to educate their children, this is part of the reason behind the development of an aristocracy in Europe which ruled for many centuries. If education is left to the parents those who can afford it will be able to give their children a massive headstart while the poorest will not be given a fair chance at life and will be condemned from the day they leave the womb. I will also refer to my earlier point that people will be socially insulated and lack the breadth of knowledge that allows them to have an informed world veiw.

My deepest gratitude to those who have stuck it through and finished reading this post. I am now going to go and do some deep breathing as I try to calm down.

Go Europe writes:
, liberalism is not a religion
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No, but atheism and secular humanism are according to the Supreme Court and they are what much of "liberalism" is based on.

However, you make very good points on the need for public schooling. Vouchers, however are for the poor to let their children go to better schools or leave them in the ones they are already in.

But, when some, not all, say it is the parents responsibility to educate they mean got to PTA meetings, quiz the children on what they are learning, review their homework, demand good grades, make sure they comply with the discipline needed for good education at school, and run for or attend school board meetings.

I went to a school of factory worker familes. The demand by almost every parent was, "you will get a good education so you don't have to work in factories like I do." In my class, 75% or more went on to become Dr.s, Lawyers, scientists, teachers, engineers, etc. At my 40th class reunion, I was so impressed I could hardly believe the millions of dollars of wealth these factory worker kids had.

I was a piker with my own business that was only worth a few hundred thousand but, then, I got lousy grades and didn't really get my education until I started studying the business principles in the Bible and then going back to college later when I wanted a promotion and needed a degree to get it. While I didn't go to college after high school except to party and flunk for a brief time, after I turned my life over to God's principles I read all I could on many subjects and got my education on my own.


What drove me? My parents. Even though I didn't do well in school because I was too focused on self, I did remember what they said. "Get and eduation" so you can do what you want and not what somebody else wants you to do. Thus, I have quit any job when it got boring because I knew I could learn to do something else I wanted to do more. My life has been a series of jobs I wanted to try and enjoyed all of them. When I started to get bored because there wasn't as much a challenge, I looked for a new job that would be challenging. Education gives you freedom even though you are a "slave" to God.

Just a little addition
Old Man

You make some interesting points and I must admit that my knowledge of the American education system is not that detailed, nor am I completely informed on the intricacies of the proposed(?) American voucher system, I was merely using my own experience of the British education system. However I was refering to the earlier comments of baseballdr who proposed an end to public education and a mixture of home schooling, church schooling and private schooling which I felt was a foolish idea. I agree that it is impingent upon parents to do that which is within their power to improve the education of their children, however they should not replace the role of the state.

Also I wish to clarify a slight misunderstanding, I did not intend to imply that Christians were "slaves" to God and I apologise to any who may have got that impression, I was refering to some of the less acceptable parts of Christian scripture, in this case the instructions on the morality of keeping slaves as mentioned in Exodus (I believe).

We don't need no education...
I'm not all that worried (yet) about Marxist indoctrination relative to public education. Consider the number of people who voted Republican in the last presidential election. I suspect that political leanings are more the result of, in defiance of or sympathy to, parental influences, rather than schooling. Having said that, I think that the federal government overstepped it's bounds by initiating public education. It was one of those hand-outs that taught the poor to expect something for nothing thereby making them less able to fend for themselves in the real world. Television and popular culture seem to play an inordinate role in the shaping of young minds. Friends and one's peers also are a factor. The internet is a nifty frontier for the future of education, however it's not so different from every other informational medium, consisting, as it does, of the same things you'll find in books, magazines, encycopediae, satellite transmissions, etc... without having to actually get up from your chair to go find them, thus making it possible for people to be less physically fit then they were when they had to hunt, gather and nest. It doesn't seem to me that public education has any impact at all on the ability of people to think and reason. That's going to happen when children find themselves surrounded by people who are thinkers and reasoners. I'm afraid that there is no reliable testing for those qualifications so it winds up being hit or miss no matter the structure. I think it really comes down to the question of purpose. Is education the means to creating a submissive society devoid of creativity or the means to an enlightened and vibrant society. Until government can adequately answer and elucidate the means for either then it has no business overseeing the task of education.

thoughtful_analyst writes:
thoughtful_analyst writes:

We don't need no education...
I'm not all that worried (yet) about Marxist indoctrination relative to public education. Consider the number of people who voted Republican
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I had thought that too until I realized how many Republicans are acting like socialists. Some of the programs Bush has pushed for are socialist programs. Open borders? Socialist in nature since it is hoped it will save Social Security and Medicare due to 77 million boomers that are going to retire and draw from it for 35 years.

No Child left behind? Socialism and Big Government again. Why not vote Republican if you are a socialist but don't agree with the "hard left?" Or support strong defense? Or want bans on same sex marriage?

Go Europe.
"Before some of you start frothing at the mouth complaining of the sinister liberal-commie-gay conspiracy that many of you clearly believe control the education system, liberalism is not a religion. Nor is it being forced down your children's throats".


Liberalism is a religion. It has devolved into a religion over the decades. That descent accelerated noticably in the 1960s, when the so called "New Left" took control of public education and academia.


Liberalism is a religion because to be a liberal today it is necessary to believe liberal dogma in defiance of all evidence. In short, it requires faith. Not documentable fact, but faith.


Your post is a prime example of that kind of faith and blind acceptance of dogma. There are innumerable books, essays and articles DOCUMENTING the social engineering perpetrated on America's children in public schools. Do a search on comments made to graduating classes at teacher's colleges by NEA honchos, or heads of "educational" organizations.


The entire culture of this country has been corrupted by that engineering. Homosexual activists are given access to children in the public schools by administrations that support the homosexual agenda. Sexualization of children at younger and younger ages is a reality. A liberal judge just declared that parents have no right to control anything the schools wish to teach them.


I am reluctant to give you any titles that explore what is really happening to America because of the way you dimiss the "conspiracy". I doubt that you will expose yourself to any documentation, but there is one book you really should read. The author is a career teacher, several times teacher of the year in New York, John Taylor Gatto. His book is "The Underground History of American Education". You can try getting off of your leftist butt to check out that book and the rest of the relevant literature.


For you not to have seen reports of the recent lefislation in California making it illegal for teachers to say anything that may be construed as being critical of homosexuals suggests that you exist in a fairly controlled environment. Get yourself out of the liberal-commie-gay church and stop embarrassing yourself the way you did with your post.


Of course I don't expect you to do that. If you did you might become an apostate. You could be shunned for life by your indoctrinated cronies.

Skier
In 1958 there was a "tracking" system in (at least) St Louis Mo. There were 3 tracks. Anyone in track 3 was a bit slow. Track 2 was average. Track 1 was above average. Children in track 1 were required to take the more advanced sciences and math. Track 3 were required to take General Science, General Math. The children in track 2 could choose. It worked for everyone. We were all taught according to our abilities to learn.
We also HAD to know the material or we failed, which no one does today. Then there is grading on a curve, probably the most damaging thing to ever hit education. You can be dumb as a post but as long as the rest of the class is also stupid, you can get remarkably good grades. Parents think good grades is the goal. We need to go back to the rule of "either you know it or you don't. If you don't, you fail."

1958 versus 2006
Skier-
Children today are being taught homosex in the schools, I beleive we must frist stop teaching children devaint sexual practices if we are teach children anything at all. In the frist place children should be allowed to be children, Free from adult sexual concerns. In the second place, children will feel dispondent, as they are not emotionally, mentally or phsically mature to understand this information. There is a real effort on the part of democrats and the N.E.A. to destroy our families and the protection of our youth. In Massachusetts we have gay marriage, and from that day on, it has been a delibate and daily task, to teach children as much about any type of sex possible, fisting, anal sex, same sex, sex toys. I know of a man teacher whom told a five year old that he loves men the way the child's mommy and daddy love each other. This is dispicable. Our children deserve to attend school without these emotional attacks on them. I am so sick to death, of all of this abuse of children, no one will protect them. Corrupt democrats leading Massachusetts, people leaving this state. I pray they'll close the schools, just to save the children's mental health.

Our Children at Risk
Our Children at Risk is an article from the News with Views site that I posted for discussion on the Tree of Liberty Forum and it tells how the GLBT group is organizing and planning to raise our children.

For some, you may find their plans, disturbing and for others downright scary. Depends on your views on "tolerence" I guess.
http://azrepublicanissues.forumsplace.com/post-6428.html#6428

Go Europe!
Go Europe writes: "It gives a chance if not an equal chance to those living in poverty..."

Actually, it often all but removes any chance they would have in many ways. Have you heard of the incredible peer pressure amongst blacks students..to be studious is to 'act white' and be a traitor to your race. The children are also inculcated with a socialist mind-set that denies the value of individual effort and the possibility of individual success.

Go Europe writes: "Those who are left over will be the poorest who will suffer from severe budget cuts as the DOE's money goes to pay private schools."

I don't understand your math. 1) you seem to assume that 'those who are left over' won't have the same access to voucher money as anyone else. That is a false assumption. 2) How is it possible they will 'suffer from severe budget cuts'? Are you suggesting that we should spend just as much to 'educate', say 100 students as we formerly spent to educate 500? If the money follows the students, each student has just as much of our taxes available as the next, and just as much in a future system as in the present system.

Go Europe writes: "...liberalism is not a religion. Nor is it being forced down your children's throats."

Others have already refuted your statement that liberalism is not a religion. I'd just like to add one thing. On what do you base your statement that it is not being forced down our children's throats???? Direct experience tells me otherwise. I think that here you are just claiming what you WANT to claim to be true.

All of that being said, I have to admit that I am not a proponent of vouchers. I think it would not be a drastic enough change to have any lasting effects and would leave the same people in charge who are currently failing our children. Not that anything is likely to make it worse, though.

Vouchers
For vouchers to work there needs to be no strings attached. The parents decide where to send their children and the schools decide whether or not to accept the student. If the student is a problem for the school they should be free to tell the child he/she is no longer welcome. What would be a disaster is if schools were forced to take any and all students regardless of how disruptive the student is.
The few times I heard vouchers discussed the liberals always wanted to restrict the schools to taking everyone that applied. That is a recipe for disaster.

Hopeless Schools
Our present government school are hopeless in more than one way. I believe the entire system should be scrapped. That being said, the liberals who claim that there would still be children left behind in any other system are correct.

Star Parker writes: "According to NCLB, students in failing schools must be notified and permitted to transfer to another school. We have found that 250,000, about 30 percent, of the students in the LA system are eligible for such transfers, yet notification is not being given and there have only been only slightly more than 500 transfers."

This says as much about the parents as it does the schools. And there is really not a durn thing we can do about that. Well, there is, but it would require doing away with the leftist ideas that permeate society. Liberals have fostered a mentality that promotes groupthink and devalues individual achievement (the only kind there really is).

They have promoted 'multiculturalism' and relativism, which says no idea is better or worse than the next and no chosen way of life is better of worse than the next. They have worked to eradicate social pressures that impose shame for certain behaviors - accepting welfare, out-of-wedlock birth, etc. - all of which add up to the type of parenting that is one source of the problem.

All that being said, conservatives who wish to improve the education situation are villified for any suggested reforms they come up with on the grounds that it will still leave some behind. Of course it will. But I fail to see how that excuses us from improving the situation as much as possible.

What your everyday Democrat doesn't understand about the socialist aims of the leftists is frightening. The fact that they are trying to drive everybody DOWN to the same level should scare you to death for the future of our society.


marxism
old man: I know what you mean. The last election gave conservatives little choice. Either the liberal government that we came to know or more liberality than the country could afford along with a return to pre 9-11 thinking on foriegn policy. The good news is that Marxism is unsustainable for a number of reasons. Primary among them is the fact that governments are incapable of creating wealth. Once property is stolen then the economy pretty much goes down the toilet. Once government starts taking your stuff you get to fondly reminisce about what it was like to be a capitalist. The solution is to elect conservatives in the primaries; do everything you can to create a sustained conservative majority in the house and senate.

History Current Events
Australia has a law if you do not vote you receive no government assistance. Out of the 70 percent of people who vote 70 percent of those people don,t have enough knowledge to know how to vote eve if they have strong feelings on a issue. We need some serious changes in our history teaching, that will not only help our children to deal with life after graduation but will also give them a desire and zest to learn. After the basics of the beggining of history,incoroparate current events to include not only what is happeningnow, but to examine the laws that brought abount changes we are going thru, then was this tried before in a similar way , did it work then will it work now. Is a decision according to the constitution and the law. Should this be challanged or looked into. Do we have the right to challange it. Next during whatever the topic is for that week did we hear laws we did not understand or words that just sound like government mumbo jumbo Make sure those words and laws are learned because not only will this become exciting and interesting by taking part of whats going on in the world it will guide them thru their entire life and help them to make better choices for the rest of their lives. This can be applied in all subjects. We already know we are all to far behind in educating our children compared to other countries. To educate our children we nust make it not only exciting but challenging For only thru education can we make intelligent choices in our lives in the things we say and do.

Public Education
I have had occasion in my line of work to visit schools in a major American city during the school day. I noted that they tolerate behavior that would not have been tolerated in my day. I noted that there were children wandering the halls screaming in one school. It is also noted that this particular system is rife with corruption. They could not account for $58 million dollars. When this came to light it was determined, for example, that they had been paying $7.50 for $.89 light bulbs. Public schools do not know how to properly spend their funds. I was reading about a school system that said they needed a couple million for improvements and then refurbished their headquarters with new furniture. I have a neighbor that does maintenance in the public school system. He mentioned that they have warehouses full of functional school furniture that they will not issue. Instead they buy new stuff. He mentioned that one school needed some desks and chairs and he had them issued and almost got fired for doing so. They spend money like drunken sailors. Private schools do not do that. They handle money much better. Of course the problem with providing government funds to private schools is that there are always strings attached and that means government control.

Note to Go Europe
You wrote: ".... introducing a voucher system will allow the rich to get cheaper private schooling, will remove the well off from the schools which will remove many of the best students ... Those who are left over will be the poorest who will suffer from severe budget cuts as the DOE's money goes to pay private schools."

I noted from your later posts that you are apparently not from the US, so I offer a couple of points of clarification.

1. For the most part (although it has changed some with the No child Left Behind program) the cost of public education is paid by the individual state(s), using money raised from property taxes - applied to homes and apartments within the state. So it is state, not federal money that funds the schools;

2. The parents of the "rich" have already paid their school taxes to the current public system, via the property tax, even if their children do not go to school there.
Now, if one were so inclined, one might argue over how horrible it is for the "rich" to get something for their tax monies, but I'll leave that for another day;

3. Statistics that I have seen indicate that per pupil private schooling is generally about 70% of the per pupil cost of our most expensive public schools. Strangely enough, the most expensive public schools on a per pupil basis are some of the worst-performing in the country (Washington DC and Atlanta come to mind). If I am remembering correctly, I think each was in the range of $12-13,000 per student per year.

Finally, I would say that there is some real value to "...removing many of the best students" from the present system. We often hear the concern of those who fear for the poorly-performing students in the system. They (rightly) worry about how to "save" them. I suggest that we need also worry about "saving" the best performers from the forced mediocrity of our public schools.

Unless, of course, said mediocrity is your goal.

Roy Romer, LAISD School Superintendent
As a former resident of Colorado when Roy Romer was governor (he a Dem, I a Republican), I knew him to be more of the Dem Leadership Council mold than the ultra-left sort that dominates LA politics today. I was not a fan, but he was a no-nonsense sort who looked for policies (too statist for my taste) that worked.
If Roy Romer cannot turn LA schools around, then NOBODY, on the political horizon who is realistically likely to take charge there, CAN.
It is time for LA to run massive 200,000- student experiments in charter schools and public-schools-for-choice and vouchers and education tax credits and pay-for-performance and performance measurement and alternative certification and no certification and differential pay for science teachers and tenure abolition and McGuffey and core reading/writing/arithmetic/science/history/art and...
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