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Monday, August 28, 2006
Star Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Katrina, lies and videotape
by Star Parker
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Spike Lee took his cameras and crew to New Orleans to film a documentary about Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath. The four-hour production, which aired on HBO, is, unfortunately, about as destructive as was the disaster it depicts.

At a time when we need light and understanding, Lee has delivered darkness, anger and hatred. Those who will be hurt the most by the distorted and untruthful picture that Lee has concocted are the poor blacks he purports to want to help.

It's clear that Lee did not go to Louisiana in search of truth. He went to Louisiana to carefully construct a documentary that would support the conclusion he had already reached. That conclusion: poor blacks suffered and died as result of the indifference of a detached and racist Bush administration in general and President Bush in particular.

The film commits egregious journalistic sins of commission and omission, carefully selecting and editing footage to indict Bush, including only commentators who support the conclusions that Lee had already reached, and selectively omitting reams of information relevant to the complex truth of what actually happened.

Since Lee already knew the truth, he didn't have much need to examine material such as "A Failure of Initiative," Congress' investigation into Katrina, which shows failure and breakdown at all levels of government _ local, state and federal. It also was of little interest to Lee that primary responsibility for disaster preparation and management is at the level of local and state government, not federal.

But New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin comes off in the production as just one cool dude. He shows up at regular intervals over the four-hour production, talking New Orleans jive and being one straightforward sincere guy who was trying to do his job.

No mention is made of the hurricane simulations and emergency evacuation plans that he totally ignored. No reference is made to the famous picture of the parking lot filled with flooded school buses that Nagin chose not to use to evacuate residents in poor areas.

Central to the Katrina story is the failure of the levees. Indeed, Lee's film is called "When the Levees Broke."

But who is responsible for ignoring the warnings over the years that the levees protecting New Orleans were inadequate? Bush? Of course not.

It was Louisiana's congressional delegation that was responsible to ensure that their constituents' interests were being represented and that funds were being appropriated to fix sub-standard levees. But not a single Louisiana senator or congressman is ever mentioned or appears in "When the Levees Broke."

William Jefferson, New Orleans' congressman for the last 16 years, has been under FBI investigation over the last year under bribery charges. However, Jefferson is a Democrat and a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. To shine a light on his possible, and likely, neglect of representing his constituents' interests would have distracted from the single message that Bush was the evil genius behind this tragedy.

Of course, no mention is made of Jefferson's trip home, when he commandeered a National Guard truck in the middle of rescue efforts to take him to his house to retrieve personal property.

Given what Lee leaves out, it's particularly cheap and sick that he felt it relevant to include footage of Condoleezza Rice supposedly shopping for designer shoes at the time the disaster was sweeping New Orleans. As we know, Condi is our secretary of state, who has no responsibility for any of these matters.

After showing what appears to be a disengaged Bush, assuring that help is on the way, Lee pans, in contrast, to Harry Belafonte, who talks about the generous offers of help that came from President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela.

I have written previously of the love of affair of the black left, particularly the Rev. Jesse Jackson, with Third World dictators. There is virtually no freedom of the press and speech in Venezuela. If Lee were a citizen of Venezuela and made a similar film attacking Chavez, he would disappear forever after the first showing.

Perhaps most sad is that in four hours Lee has nothing positive to say about America and Americans. No mention is made of the $700 million from private citizens and churches that were committed in the first few days of the tragedy. No mention is made of the thousands of homes across the nation that welcomed evacuees. No mention is made of the tens of thousands who have successfully rebuilt their lives.

Spike Lee clearly has little affection for the country that gives him free expression and has made him wealthy. He has produced a self-indulgent, deceitful and exploitive film about a tragedy. His message will give poor blacks more reasons to feel powerless, to feel lost, to feel that others bear responsibility for their lives, to hate, and to stay poor.

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Star Parker is the founder and president of CURE, the Coalition for Urban Renewal & Education, a 501c3 think tank which explores and promotes market based public policy to fight poverty, as well as author of White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects Inner City Decay.
 
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Well - - -
I suppose Spike Lee is tired of Michael Moore getting all the attention.

I can see it now...
...a new Inaction figure: Ray Nagin.

Spike Lee's next project: "Hurricane New Orleans: The Destruction of Houston."

Self-Reliance
It took our military, which is the greatest in the history of the world, months to put 150,000 troops in place to attack Iraq a few years ago. Yet, somehow, everyone expected the Federal Government to transport millions of Gulf Coast residences within a couple of days, even though Katrina damaged the very infrastructure that such a migration requires.

But the bigger question is this: why is it the job of the federal, state, or local government to evacuate adults?

Whatever happened to self-reliance and personal responsibility?

Somehow, if I lived below sea-level in a region that experienced annual hurricanes, I think just maybe I might have an exit strategy that didn't depend on a bloated government bureaucracy.

And if I had several days warning myself, it doesn't seem that difficult for me to head for higher, safer ground.

Is it a hardship? Sure. But I'm the one who chose to live in a sub-sea-level, hurricane zone. I'm the one who voted in generations of corrupt politicians. I'm also the one who didn't want to pay higher taxes to build the kind of local levee system that would withstand severe hurricanes. And most importantly, I'm the one who didn't bother to pack up and leave in time.

So maybe, just maybe, I'm the one who should shoulder just a bit more of the blame.

So

Big and Rugged
How right you are! Like Newt said, Katrina was a failure of citizenship. If you know a storm like that is coming your way for days in advance, you know that you live in a flood prone area, why don't YOU GET OUT??!! America has changed for the worse, in a major way. For generations the people of America dealt with things like the Great San Francisco quake, the Galveston hurricane, even Hurricane Camille without waiting for the G to ride to the rescue. People got themselves out of harms way and when the event was over rebuilt their lives and communities without wanting or needing federal help. But the programs and ideas of the New Deal and Great Society have transformed the peole that once believed in self reliance into a helpless child, sucking at the government teat. That is a sad state of affairs and if it is not corrected America will collapse on its own, the Islamofacists only need to wait for it to happen.

Spike Lee
may be a darling of Hollywood, but he has yet to make a film that anyone else cares about. We have seen through his race-baiting chicanery, shrugged, and looked at something else. *fumbles with TV remote* Hmmm. "The Lord Of The Rings"...think I'll get some chocolate and have a seat! ;-)

RAY NAGIN
Remember, the same people who made the decision to not leave New Orleans after being warned for several days prior to Katrina actually striking, are the same people who re-elected Ray Nagin as their mayor again. If Mayor Nagin had spent as much time filling empty buses and helping people get to higher ground as he spends having to apologize for his stupid remarks the situation in New Orleans would have been totally different in the immediate days following Katrina.

Just say no to NO!
We all agree here that this is another example of the destruction of any natural tendency to accept reality and individual responsibility that is the foundation of responsible Citizenship and IMO is one of the foundations of free society.
What can be done to turn this tide of ignorance from the Leftist (Gov't must take care of all), RaceBaiters (We are opressed BS) and the rest of the FDR New Deal/Socialist mentality that has so infected the populist/ignorance and denial of an increasing number of our fellow Americans...
If anyone has answers, I sincerely would like to hear them.

Just say no to NO!
We all agree here that this is another example of the destruction of any natural tendency to accept reality and individual responsibility that is the foundation of responsible Citizenship and IMO is one of the foundations of free society.
What can be done to turn this tide of ignorance from the Leftist (Gov't must take care of all), RaceBaiters (We are opressed BS) and the rest of the FDR New Deal/Socialist mentality that has so infected the populist/ignorance and denial of an increasing number of our fellow Americans...
If anyone has answers, I sincerely would like to hear them.

Spike Lee...Pah!
Spike Lee made a film about Katrina and racism?
Pah! He's more racist than a guy in a white pointy hat. Just ask any interracial couple unlucky enough to be seen by him. I cast a jaundiced eye upon any film he makes.
As for Katrina:
Thank the Sierra club for suing the Govt. no less than 12 times to stop repairs, upgrades, etc. on the levy system because some bug might be discommoded.
Thank welfare for paying for the food and housing of every poor woman in that area so the able bodied young men don't have to work to support them, and can hang around and help build rafts to move TV's.
Thank the craven, corrupt Louisiana Govt. for acting like teenagers and blaming the Prez. for their own lack of preparedness.
The next time a hurricane hits a place where people willingly live below sea level and don't have the sense to get off the couch, I'm keeping my money in my pocket.

Just say no to NO.
We all agree here that this is another example of the destruction of any natural tendency to accept reality and individual responsibility that is the foundation of responsible Citizenship and IMO is one of the foundations of free society.
What can be done to turn this tide of ignorance from the Leftist (Gov't must take care of all), RaceBaiters (We are opressed BS) and the rest of the FDR New Deal/Socialist mentality that has so infected the populist/ignorance and denial of an increasing number of our fellow Americans...
If anyone has answers, I sincerely would like to hear them.

Katrina and Spike Lee
Spike Lee could never be accused of letting FACTS get in his way. This country is on its
way to the bottom, thanks to the looney left
and race baters like Lee Jackson and Sparpton.
New Orleans is the ONLY city having any problems
When a strom is upon you, you prepare. Nagin hid out, the GOV did nothing because she MIGHT be accused of agreeing with Bush, so she did nothing. The levees have been ignored for 30 years or more and all the BUSH bashing is tiresome, old and senseless, The old saying (JUST the Facts) the facts point to Nagin and Blanco and the whole corrupt government that has
led NO for better than 30 years. They brought him back so cut the money and let them figure it out.

r0_d1
Like all lefties, you're completely delusional.

And like all lefties you have to resort to demeaning name calling.

And like all lefties you will justify outright theft and corruption (as long as it's lefty theft and corruption).

And like all lefties, you come across as a real moron with statements like "STOP the GOP LIES!!!" - gee - that's so new and thoughtful - had to rack the old brain to come up with that one, huh?

Spike Lee
Did anyone else happen to read the Newsweek (might have been Time) article last week that praised Lee's efforts to put forth a bipartisan film? They congratulated him for not peddling the conspiracy theory that Bush himself blew up the levees. Just another reason to stop reading the MSM. And am I the only one who doesnt understand what r0_d1 is rambling about?

Far be it form me
To give CBS credit for much, but last night they did a pretty good piece about Katrina on 60 Minutes. My point here is that r0 is attempting to do something that even 60 Minutes isn't trying to do...pretend that local officials had nothing to do with the catastrophe in NO.

But you know what, I could care less if the funds promised the G never materialized. Look what happened when the G rushed to give money to those displaced by the storm? Tattoos, strip clubs, jewelry, and fraud on a massive scale. And why would it be any better if the money went to a state that gave us Kingfish Huey Long, Edwin Edwards, and now William Jefferson? More fraud!

And according to Mayor Ray Nagin, the reason that a lot of the streets have not been cleaned up is that the city has not recieved permission from land owners to clear debris and tear down structures on their private property. So in the end, it is not the fault of the government but of the citzens. But I see that r0 does not believe that the people have responsibility for anyhting, and the G is all knowing, huh?

Couldnt have said it better myself
I'm so sick and tired of hearing about how the levees faild due to they werent adequate...for years(back in 80's and 90's) plenty of money has been appropriated to fix the levees.

The problem is who owns the state...you guessed it democrats...for well over 60 years they've owned this state and now you see the byproduct of their utopian ideals...

The sad part is many people will be obscured to the truth by this left wing mis-information propaganda which sadly has permeated our society since Vietnam.



Rugged Individualist
suggests that one should have "an exit plan that didn't depend upon a bloated bureaucracy."

Agreed. But doesn't his statement also suggest a question?

The government (fed, state and local) effort was, for the most part, revealed as wasteful, hapless and hopeless.

Why, then, do we even have a bloated bureaucracy? Especially one that we cannot depend upon? This is the old "useless as teats on a bull" analogy.

Isn't that at least as much a problem as the disaster?

Spike Lee etal - head in the sand
I'm a Gulf Coast resident (Mobile, AL)and we have been hit pretty hard over the last few years by hurricanes. These days, we have plenty of time, with technology advanced as it is, to board up, stock up and get out of Dodge. We have mandatory evacuations and there are still those who choose to stay. If you are not prepared, choose not to evacuate, loose everything, why does that make it anyone's fault but your own? I don't expect the government, local, state or federal, to subsidize me and mine in any way when it comes to a hurricane. (and no, I am not rich) As for New Orleans, even if I were destitute, had no car and no money, there was plenty of notice and plenty of time, that I would have WALKED out of town to higher ground. Let's face it, NO was a cesspool before Katrina and unless they clean up their act, via elections, they will continue to get more of the same: able-bodied people hanging around porches, drinking beer, getting pregnant, drunken urinating in the French Quarter, unemployed 'cause they choose to be, and then blaming the president or anyone else but themselves. They want the handouts, they demand the handouts, and they GET the handouts that they think they deserve. Frankly, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of their DEMANDS and then their lack of humility when the public gives to them during crises. I hope my donations to the Red Cross actually helped someone who was really needy. Not someone who got in line for FEMA money and then bought a new TV.

It can only get worse
In the media's and Democrat stooges rush to blame Bush (who made the hurricane, stole the money to strengthen the levies, and when that didn't work, blew up the levies himself)that has set the standard for how every disaster in the US will be handled. That is, that the federal government MUST be the one to fix the problem. The overbloated, ineffecient, snail-paced and generally uncaring government will be called on to fix everything because it will so easy to hit that lethargic target with political blasts from the opposing party. And all the while the finger pointing and name calling goes on people will suffer. Thanks MSM and power hungry Democrats, you have unwittingly screwed us all, for now and forever,,,,,,,AGAIN!

the fire-breathing celt
"[Spike Lee] may be a darling of Hollywood, but he has yet to make a film that anyone else cares about."

He hasn't? I'm not sure how you define "a film that [no one] else cares about," but Do the Right Thing and Malcolm X (at least!) were both hits and roundly considered Important. And perhaps you don't check box office returns and such, but Inside Man was a bone fide moneymaker. And this site (and this particular political leaning) aside, his Katrina doc is garnering quite the raves and attention. You can't just write it off as Michael Moore-isms.

As for the "darling of Hollywood" line: while he's never had much trouble making a movie, I think he's more of a darling of critics, and then not even then all the time. (He's been savaged by many multiple times, most recently over the insane She Hate Me.) Inside Man, he's rarely had a gargantuan hit...but when has across-the-board love ever denoted quality?

Also, 25th Hour is so awesome.

"We have seen through his race-baiting chicanery, shrugged, and looked at something else." This is so blissfully reductive that I wonder if you've ever seen any Spike Lee movies. Whatever your thoughts on his personal beliefs, he's one of the precious few filmmakers who actually gives multiple sides a chance to speak their mind. His films are filled with people of varied political beliefs, and they mouth off -- Do the Right Thing manages to give a variety of ethnicities about equal time. For instance, Lee may feel that Mookie "did the right thing" by inciting the riot that destroyed Sal's, but the way he designs the film it's wholly possible to disagree with him...or find shades of grey in it.

Feed me burp me take me potty
The government of Louisiana has raised about five generations of toddlers, doing everything for them but wipe their heinies when they get off the pottie. How on earth could anybody expect people who won't stir a step to hit a lick at a snake, to realize that if they continue to sit planted on the porch the water's going to sweep them away?

The Democrats have brought them up to be passive, obedient proles who defer in all things to their betters. This time their betters let them down. What do you expect by whaaa whaaa whaaa? You're dealing with toddlers here.

May I note also that Ray Nagin's reference to the World Trade Centre Site as "a hole in the ground" and his jeering remarks about New York not getting it "filled" says more about New Orleans than anything short of his "chocolate city" remark.

Let them starve and die in the garbage they created. If you're an able bodied adult who can't look after yourself you don't deserve to live.

un unforgiveable excuse for leadership
I cannot help but compare Nagin to another big city mayor, Rudy Guiliani, who also had a supreme disaster on his hands on September 11, 2001 and, unlike New Orleans and Nagin, had no forewarning of the events to come. Guiliani showed himself the truest of leaders and Nagin has only shown himself the poorest. Pointing fingers wastes energy, time, and does not produce solutions. To blame Bush in any way, shape or form is just assinine and any individual should readily shun such a grotesquely far fetched accussation. The event and aftermath of Katrina is heartrending enough but then to fling mud and cause more heart-ache and rage then is already present is so grossly irresponsible. Spike Lee took the lowest road or low in his approach to "documenting" Katrina. Spike Lee should stick to his odd fictions.

Chicago heat
In the Summer of 1995, when over 600 people died of heat in Chicago, where was the Spike Lee movie ripping on Bill Clinton? No feds involved. We've learned locally how to better handle this situation, and moved on.

Who Is Accontable?????
Well you all know very well, that we can't hold the Black Leadership accontable for their mistakes!!!!!!!
If we did, then what in God's name would we do with the "White Man"?

Spike's Predilection
Spike Lee- like every good islamist- believes sincerely that white people- all of them- are moral degenerates. He believes this because he views the world through the lens of slavery in America. He conveniently ignores that without white abolitionists (not to mention capitalism), slavery might have thrived for decades longer. Ditto segregation.

The fact is that Spike is willfully ignorant. He is not very bright- as most of his movies demonstrate.


Rogue Historian indeed
"Spike Lee- like every good islamist- believes sincerely that white people- all of them- are moral degenerates."

That must be why he's so far made two movies almost entirely populated by white people. (Summer of Sam and 25th Hour, if you must know.) Or that all of his movies feature white poeple, a lot of them positively portrayed.

Incidentally, after Malcolm X, he received death threats from the Nation of Islam. Where did you hear he was an "islamist" [sic]?

HNTR...
You are right that things could have been a lot different. But nothing Nagin could have done would have prevented the property damage. At best, he could have saved a few lives and quite a bit of suffering in the fetid floodwaters and intense heat.

I grew up in NO and love that place. It had morphed from what it was when I was growing up. But it has always been like a 3rd world country. And the comments on how the money to prepare the levees was skimmed and how any relief money was subject to skimming is well understood by locals. It is a good object lesson in why we shouldn't just throw money at problems in other 3rd world areas. Local dictators just skim most off the top and very little goes to those most in need. You know it is bad when the best mayor NO ever had in my lifetime was Moon Landrieu.

Race Baiting????
Did the Federal Government not help New Orleans because of Race? Katrina, 2004
Did the Federal Government not help South Florida because of Race? Andrew, 1994

The Federal Government has a national weather service which advises local governments regarding storms, weather conditions. Each municipality has responsibilities to it's citizens for safety. This is not a race issue. Flood insurance is managed by the federal government. Why??? There are private companies which issue flood insurance, but the pricing is not competitive because the government does not use underwriters properly. The program is bankrupt and they are ever increasing "flood prone" areas to mandate additional customers. Let the market dictate flood prone areas and let lenders force borrowers to purchase flood insurance. Why should I be forced to pay taxes to rebuild someone's home, whether it is a poor New Orleans house or a $2 million dollar house on Marco Island Florida. It is not about Race, it is about personal responsibility.

Ray Nagin and New Orleans
Everyone can rant and rave about Ray Nagin if they want to, but the people of New orleans for whatever reason re-elected him. His city - Chocolate - or otherwise may lay in ruin around him and his supporters, but they sing songs, shout slogans, and voice blame. Maybe, that should be the legacy of New Orleans---forget the history, forget the music, rather remember that there was a hurricane, it came and flooded their city because Bush speaks directly to God who controls these things, and it was the greatest thing that happened to them. Forget the people who died, and the gobs of money that were wasted, it was good for New Orleans...the Mayor became a household word, the hand-lettered "help us" signs showed how good the schools were doing their jobs, and the water rinsed the urine off the streets downtown. For that, the people of New Orleans thanked Mr, Nagin and re-elected him, Give the guy a break.

WHERE DID THIS rO_d1 COME FROM?
Over $500 MILLION in federal money has been given to the states hit by Katrina and more is promised. Over $700 MILLION has been contributed by private citizens on top of that. How much damn money does it take???

Star is right all the way on this. People, mainly left leaning loonies, need to stop the Bush bashing and start looking at the real crooks that are taking the money that is supposed to help with the rebuilding of New Orleans and the rest of the Louisiana coast. You don't hearing the people of Mississippi or Alabama crying do you.

As an aside: Approximately 6 months later the state of Nebraska, and much of the heartland, was hit with the worst blizzard they had seen in in over 70 years. The only thing we heard about that was that the weather was bad and a few people lost their lives because of it. There was no crying "where is the President when we need him" or any of that nonsense. These people sucked it up and went to work. They cleared roads, rescued people stranded in the storm, flew in feed for livestock, food for people, whatever needed done they did themselves.

This may sound "racist" but one other little tidbit: The heartland states also have the lowest percentage of their population on welfare, even though most have more people than Louisana. The difference is the "minoritys" in these states, black, hispanic, asian, whatever, are Americans, not "victimized" people of the "other than white" races. They are Americans that take pride in themselves, like all Americans, and work to make their life better instead of laying around on their lazy butts begging for handouts.

I think r0 may be one of those types. That is why he/she sounds so angry. We taxpayers ain't giving enough of our hard earned money to the lame. Boo-hoo-hoo.











Hey guys,
Spike's movie is all about campaign talking points for the dems!!

The elections are coming up, and the libs haven't been able to find a message. So Hollywood to the rescue!

They always dig up victims of the mean ol'GOP to try to get votes. They have no ideas, no plans for the future. All they do is look back, and blame the GOP, and lie.

SOOO, hand in hand with the MSM and Hollywood, the dems will run their campaigns on Bush has destroyed the planet, caused the hurricanes, blown up the trade center, started World War III, and demoted Pluto!

Blame Shame
r0_d1 writes:

[The monies promised by BushCo NEVER has gotten where it belongs.]

Ummm, FYI, the "monies" (nearly 2 hundred billion dollars ... that's BILLION ... with a "B") were handed to the state (D)and local governments (D) ... ask them (D) where the hell-o it all went.

Ask Nagin (D)why, after the waters receded, when a Texas company offered to haul out and dispose of the countless abandoned (obviously not used for evacuation)cars from the city, and it would have netted N.O. a $5mil profit, but now THEY have to do it themselves, because it HAS NOT been done yet, and it will end up costing the city roughly $25mil.

Really, now. The incessant finger pointing(D)and shouting(D)"You're stupid" at Pres. Bush and the federal government is very psychotic(D). The reason why the federal government "failed" in this disaster is [because] the local(D) and state governments(D)failed ...

animalgirlisback
Did you know that the first people on the scene were Southern Baptist men with food to feed thousands?

The thing you need to understand is, that caring people from all over the country, in the name of Jesus, went to help.

Government can never do the loving that individuals bring to the hurting out of the kindness of their own hearts.

God bless you, animalgirl. God loves you. The government can't.

Spike Lee's Politics on Katrina
Spike Lee's "docu-drama" is shameful. Instead of the truth, he has gone the way of Michael Moore to blame Bush and the Republicans for Katrina and New Orlean's devestation. The sad thing about it is that the poor blacks in New Orleans will not be assisted or shown how they can improve their lifes. And Democrat's like Ray Nagin and Louisanan Congressmen will continue getting passes on their poor performances. The national media want say anything to correct these lies, in fact they will fuel the fire with these lies. It's election time, so be prepared to hear and see more of this garbage on television and in print.

What????
I usually look forward to Star's columns, but she is way off the mark with this one. I watched the 2 part series and found it to be fair and balanced :) Contrary to what she said all levels of goverment got their fair share of critcism. From Bush, to Blanco, to Nagin, to the Army Corp of Engineers, to The N.O. Police Chief. Unfortunely, this column appears to have been an opportunity taken to a cheap shot at an admitted liberal film maker, who has done a good job of portraying Katrina from a New Orleans point of view

How many commmenting saw the doc.
In contrast to what parker wrote, there was a segment on an evacuee relocated to Utah so thankful for how she was welcomed, that she decided to stay. There was a black state representative, from N.O. who appeared througout who was constantly critical of Nagin. There was discussion about the infighting and politics between Blanco and Nagin alledgedly caused by his backing of her Republican opponent in the governors election. There was a segment on the crime increase in Houston caused by the evacuees.

Unfortunately, this is a case of Parker seeing only what she wanted to see.

Race???
As long as people like Jesse Jackson, Al. Sharpton, Cynthia Mckenney, and Michael Dyson keep pushing the victim mentality to black people they will continue to get rich. I'm a black man and I wonder how many black people have become multi-millionaires since Jackson and Sharpton, and Mckenney and Lee have been the voice for the voiceless??? Not many I'll bet, but they sure have become rich!!! I wonder what has the Democratic Party really done for the black community?? Did anyone notice that Al and Jesse were standing behind Ned Lamont during his campaign win?? Wonder why they were not in Atlanta with there Black Sister who was being CREAMED??? They were with Ned probably because Ned has plenty of Money to donate to their organizations...
Alright Black People wake up, stop blindly following behind people because they are black. Black people are subject to being corrupt; corruption is no respecter of person or color!!!!!

Nagin and group
I thought that I would try add some observations to the comments that have been made.

Nagin is the white candidate in New Orleans, not the man that is the choice of the black politicians. The fact that this incompetent person can be re-elected says something about the leadership and lack of choices that we have in Louisiana (for that matter in the whole of the US). Anyone else who was running in the mayoral election would have been much worse than Nagin or not have the political clout to do anything.

The areas of NO that were affected the most by the diaster are the areas that the state and local politicians have been cultivating for years. It is almost as if the politicians have intended to keep these people in their miserable situation. Why? Votes. The Democratic machine has been able to control the state by roleing out the vote from these various wards. They will vote exactly as instructed and often are paid for the service in cash. The fact that the people have been spread across the US is a disaster to the stae political machine. I am sure they are working hard to try to rectify that problem.

There are several reasons for the rescue effort being so slow. First, there is limited access to the city by the road network. The whole area is a swamp. Second, the city was under water and it was not going anywhere. Third, people who came with boats could not use them as the government would not allow them to leave the shore without the correct number of life preservers and other safety equipment that was unnecessary under the circumstance. And finally, NO is one of the most dangerous areas in the world. Despite the fact that we are now told that many of the incidents of rape and murder did not occur. They did. Before the strom it was all the police could do to keep the major tourist areas controled. They had numerous no go areas throughout the city. These were now disrupted and the animals were everywhere. The police themselves are just as dangerous as the criminal element and they were having a field day according to some people I know.

In short, the whole experience demonstrated exactly what type of government we have at local, state and national levels and that there is really no difference between Republican and Democrat in the incompetience and utter contempt for US citizens.

Last, if you send money down here our politicians will steal it.

spike lee
long live spike lee

What about the elderly and infirmed?
I've heard quite a few people taking those who stayed in New Orleans when Katrina struck to task, but I don't hear these same people commenting on the elderly, the disabled, the mentally ill, and those who were too poor to leave.

How were these groups supposed to leave New Orleans? How is an elderly person with Alzheimer's or a paraplegic supposed to be self-reliant?

Also, while there was plenty of blame to go around at all levels of government (and those who actually watched Spike's documentary would know that he spared no one criticism in this regard), would it have been too much to ask the Federal government to send, food, water, and ice to the people who were stuck in the Superdome for a WEEK?

Your comments aren't very Christian.

r0_d1
Clearly, you fail to understand the point of so many of the posts here.

The government should not be in charge of rebuilding the city. The government didn't build the majority of it, and unless you count issuing building permits, didn't tell people to live there.

People, as Individuals, are in charge of their own actions. They should be in charge of their own property. Instead you have people looking to the government so save them from every ill. You say that the government money hasn't gotten where it was needed. I say the government shouldn't put any money into it, except to rebuild government buildings, infrastructure, and then get out of the way and let the people build.

I am from that area. I have seen what Louisiana and New Orleans governments can do to people. I have heard about people who have been told they cannot demolish their OWN building because it is "historical!" It's in RUINS! The owners are left to let it crumble of its own accord, praying for another disaster to blow it down, because they are not permitted to.

That is the result of years of “the government is never too big” mentality.

You go girl!
Yes, I am one for self reliance and self help, but you know damn well that if something like that hit more in the affluence areas, the lack of response would not had happened. You cannot get around that. Did you know that some individuals did not have the means to leave? Look at the some of the comments to your article, do you see the racism come out? We cannot forget that racism is behind alot of issues in this country, but I also believe that a person is responsible for his advancement out of poverty. They might have to fight twice as hard, but it can be done.

Tubbs
Tubbs,
Christianity has nothing to do with that and you know it. Yes, there were people who were not able to get out. But whose responsibility was it to get them out? Not the Federal Government... What about the local government?? Where were they?? Why didn't they get those elderly, sick people out? The leadership down there is majority black. Since you talked about the comments not being "Christian", well, we are talking about a community, is it a Christian Community and if so, where were the Christians when it came to getting those sick people out??

Don't use the Bible to beat up on people that is not its purpose. :-)

A Native Son
As a native New Orleanian,
(my handle is a dead giveaway-for those who have ever heard a vintage NOLA accent)
I feel that Ms Parker was too nice in her criticism. Lee blew it! From his history, you'd think that the trumpet was the only thing produced from New Orleans.
NOLA's Black Americans, who have built black colleges to educate thier own and built businesses to serve their own, turn to the government as if they are not educated nor resourceful-somehow pointing this out is "sell-out time" for Lee
"Y'all can fish, so start fishin'!
Lee will never go down this road.
"less hole up mirrors y'all"
translation:
-lets hold mirrors up everyone!

Where to start?
Let's all agree on a couple of things if we can. Gov't was jacked at all levels in this situation. Mostly state and local, but even the Fed fell on thier backside. The people themselves are also to blame for letting their region go to waste (socially and economically). Gov't is never the answer to any local situation.

Some of you have eluded to the Bible and to Christianity. If there were more Christians in the affected area, they would have assisted in getting out the elderly and ill.( Tubbs, bieng differently-abled myself, most parapalegics would knock you out if you told them they were not self-reliant) The majority of Christians also believe strongly in personal responsibility and taking care of their family and friends, and putting thier reliance on God, not the Gov't, to help them through their trials and tribulations.

And for Animalgirl. I love my neighbor, but I am not responsible for his/her actions, or lack there of. The correct book and chapter/verse escape me at this time, (I believe it is in 2 Thesselonians) "If man will not work, he shall not eat"

It is time for the citizens of NO and surrounding areas to go back to the place they love, take charge of their communities and work together to rebuild your home. It is how this country was built and prospered, not by the British giving the settlers money and supplies to build with.

Wrong...
I don't know if anyone noticed but there were educated and successful blacks and whites in the film who were critical of every level of government - Nagin up to Bush. The fact remains there was failure at EVERY level and a REGION suffered not just New Orleans.

not an ideologue
As you have probably already concluded, no one in here commenting has actually taken the time to watch the documentary.

r0-d1
While you're on a roll, why don't you cite the Article and Section of the US Constitution which empowers the federal government to take money out of my pocket to pay for housing all those deadbeats, for feeding all those deadbeats, and generally cleaning up after all those deadbeats. Giant Hint: it isn't in there.

Call me hard-hearted, but I don't give a tinker's dam if NO is never rebuilt, it isn't much good for anything.

Yes, - Not, and you've made the point
Criticism of the Government starts and ends at the same point. Moving forward,- ie making a documentary- the conversation has to go beyond blame. Believe me, Donald Trump is going well beyond criticizng the govermnent-
Of course, you'll tell me that Trump is an extreme case-I reject that!
There are incredible stories of Americans of all races that Lee will not find; it contradicts his agenda!
Star Parker was spot on!
Yes, Cam's dad, we both watched, and like Parker, we were looking for the American spirit-not the "gubmint cheez"

Thank you Star Parker
FINALLY, someone actually gets it! Thank you Star Parker for speaking the TRUTH! Too many people, especially minorities are afraid to (usually because of the grief they'll get from other minorities), or even worse, they just don't get it.

Imagine if a biased, racist white film-maker did the same type of 4-hour diatribe about Ray Nagin or Jesse Jackson. Why, the public wouldn't stand for it. That would be called racism. But it's OK I guess for Spike Lee. If you truly want unity, then it's time to end racism from ALL sides - and that includes from your side of the fence too SPIKE!

Again, thank you for Ms. Parker for pointing out the lies and inconsistencies in this sorry excuse of a film, which was nothing more than propaganda to further an agenda. And shame on HBO for not recognizing it for what it was.

Maybe the next time
N.O. should ask Hugo Chavez to bail them out. US taxpayers have paid enough. If they can't stand on their own feet by now, perhaps someone else could foot the bill.

I'll bet they'd find out that Chavez is all talk if they asked for a fell $billion in aid.


You wouldn't know facts if they ...
r0_d1 writes:

"The number of you that repeat the same dumb lies proves nothing but GOP spin.


BushCo DID contract out local services that failed ....ANY OF YOU SPINNERS EVER HEARD OF IEM??

IEM FAILED, People DIED, gets NEW CONTRACT.



Get a new GOP spinbook, yours are getting OLD."


You're the one hooked up to a Kool-Aid I.V.

Run on out to the book store and buy (or steal) yourself a copy of Popular Mechanics book Debunking The Katrina Myths ... and then try and convince us P.M. are part of the GOP spin machine.

Now, please TRY to answer Sawdust's question to you (I'll restate it in case you have adult A.D.D.):

"r0-d1

While you're on a roll, why don't you cite the Article and Section of the US Constitution which empowers the federal government to take money out of my pocket to pay for housing all those deadbeats, for feeding all those deadbeats, and generally cleaning up after all those deadbeats. Giant Hint: it isn't in there."

We're waiting ...

P.S.

I often wonder WHAT the liberal claptrap would be today if Pres. Bush and the federal government had just stormed the state of Louisiana and the city of New Orleans (as everyone seems to be criticizing them for NOT doing). You all would be shouting "invasion" and "Un-Constitutional" ... There's NO pleasing you greedy, greedy, self-centered, self-righteous punks. Just get your hands the he*# out of our pockets and help yourselves for once, ungrateful thugs.







r0-d1
once again, I followed your directions... And what was I supposed to see on the Fox8 site that would open my eyes to your verbal virtuosity? That the SuperDome has been rebuilt? that they are still tossing around the "horror" of the 'Dome (allbeit some are now just "rumors")? that Nagin can make a speech riling up folks, but not one with any substance to it?
Please tell me what I was supposed to see??

When the Levees Broke
I am a suburban New Orleanian and a healthcare worker that was here to see firsthand what went on here. Even my experience as a military veteran couldn't really prepare me for the magnitude of what I saw here. I'm also a Caucasian, so any thought that my commentary below is race-based is simply off the mark.

I am also an individual that supported the President in two previous elections. After what I saw here, I cannot support the Bush Administration any longer.

Spike Lee's film was indeed a balanced look of what really went on here with only a few misrepresentations of events (like as to why the Gretna police didn't let the people over the bridge onto the Westbank... because the damn people burned down an entire mall over there, but Spike didn't mention that little tidbit). Certain commentaries were not endorsed by the director, but it simply showed how individuals felt about the matter.

I’m no fan of Spike Lee, but he was right on the mark here.

Maybe some of you find it too hard to look in the mirror at the horror of it and the complete ineptitude of the government in dealing even with basic necessities.

Americans were dying in the streets for lack of water. Yet, the US Government can get aid to tsunami victims across the planet in two days?

Bush was making a political speech in California and playing air guitar while Katrina was slamming our coast. He then went to make other speeches, as if oblivious to the reality of the situation here.

Cheney was fly fishing at the time.

Condi Rice was shopping for expensive shoes when people were dying in the streets by the Convention Center. She was also at a Broadway play where the audience booed her for being there.

Chertoff – the head guy in charge of disaster management – was at a flu conference.

Local and State officials are incompetent boobs as well.

If this would have been a terrorist attack, the response would have been much different. I guarantee you that.

If it would have happened in a politically powerful area or a wealthy area, the response would have been different.

None of you here have any real understanding of what went on here. The death, destruction, and so on caused by the failure of a Federal Agency (the Army Corps of Engineers) to construct proper levees. If the levees would have been constructed properly, much of this devastation would not have occurred.

Few of you understand the importance of this area to nationwide shipping and the natural gas industry as well.

Look at the Netherlands: a small country with not near the resources of the United States. Their levees are reinforced earth, and they have sophisticated systems that would handle any surge that has occurred in ten thousand years.

They said: never again.

You guys had better start caring, because it is affecting global perception of this country enormously.

The lack of concern I see here for fellow Americans genuinely saddens me. The overeager willingness to simply forgive such a debacle from your government simply because of personal ideology and politic is disheartening.

What does it say when a country will spend trillions of dollars in aid (which few of you here complain about) in Iraq for foreign nationals, yet cry afoul when even a fraction of that treasury spent would repair an entire region of this own land?

To all those that have given support, I thank you.

re: katrina lies and videotape
Is it tacky to suggest that Lee is an Oreo cookie- black on the outside, Michael moore on the inside?

That was your personal responsibility
Sinned writes:

"I am also an individual that supported the President in two previous elections. After what I saw here, I cannot support the Bush Administration any longer."

Yeah, you know what ... I hear this often before democrat talking points are strewn along the floor like the Hydra's teeth.

BTW, "Bush" and the feds COULD NOT go in there and force you folks to get off your butts and get the heck out of there ... That was your personal responsibility.

And had we NOT helped out the tsunami areas you'd be in the chorus of those screaming "George Bush hates "yellow" people"!!! As I recall, the lifted-noses in the UN felt we didn't give enough to the tsunami aid.

And exactly WHAT did you expect Sec. Rice to do? Nagin's and Blanco's jobs for them?

As for the New Orleans levees, the ground for many, many, many feet down is nothing more than peat moss and sand. Ask the experts. It is near impossible to fortify it enough to make it fail safe. It is a wonder the breach didn't happen sooner.

As for "those who have given their support" ... that'd be anyone and everyone who pays taxes. The $100+ billion didn't just materialize.

Re:
I forgive you for speaking from ignorance, drillanwr.

I'm no Democrat.

Also, it is not 'impossible' to make solid levees. If you really knew anything about the situation, you would know that your statement is false. I personally live next to the Mississippi River levee which is built correctly and works just fine. It is an earthen levee with reinforced concrete.

The floodwalls were constructed poorly and with shortcuts, and the Army Corps has admitted fault in design and construction. It is the Feds' responsibility - as through the Corps of Engineers - to have done the job right.

Now, they're paying for it ten times over.

No one here excuses the poor local and state leadership, either. In fact, locals are generally just as angry about it as anyone else.

Many of the residents who didn't leave didn't have vehicles, are poor and so on. In my case, I evacuated to the outlying area as part of the relief team and was escorted back the following day to provide medical support.

As clueless of a leader that LBJ was, at least the man had the decency to have foot on the ground and flashlight in hand after Hurricane Betsy in the 1960's. He was shouting to the people: "This is your President!".

Where was President Bush? Making a speech on Iraq.

Where was Chertoff, the man in charge of homeland security and FEMA? At a flu conference. We all know Brown was clueless, but Bush commended him on doing such a great job.

We had Canadian troops here in St. Bernard Parish before any Americans arrived! Canadians! I'll never forget that.

It's a disgrace.

The only Federal agency that deserves great credit is the US Coast Guard.

You had better wise up and think outside of the ideological box.

I take no pleasure to have to make such commentary about such things. But, it is the truth of what went on here and will be a lasting testimony to the legacy of President Bush's second term.

The government Will take care of you
Over 50 years ago my Father used to tell me "If you think the government is going to take care of you go to an indian reservation". Good advice then and good advice now.

Forty plus years of the "War on Poverty" has left a legacy of people completely dependent on the government. Seeing the people at the superdome crying "help!, help!" brought that home to me more than anything else ever has.

My wife and I are in our mid 60's and if we had lived in New Orleans and been dumb enough to stay for the hurricane, you would have seen us the next day hiking down the road with our camping gear and backpacks on headed out.

Bush and Louisiana Levees
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090702462.html

"By Michael Grunwald
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 8, 2005; Page A01

Before Hurricane Katrina breached a levee on the New Orleans Industrial Canal, the Army Corps of Engineers had already launched a $748 million construction project at that very location. But the project had nothing to do with flood control. The Corps was building a huge new lock for the canal, an effort to accommodate steadily increasing barge traffic.

Except that barge traffic on the canal has been steadily decreasing."

HELLO -- IS THIS THING ON??

Let's face facts. The Bush administration, until the Stem Cell issue came up, HAS NOT VETOED A SINGLE SPENDING BILL. Nary a one.

If the "representatives" of the fine state of Louisiana felt they needed money to shore up the levees, ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS ASK FOR IT. Bush would have signed it, and they would have gotten it.

Grunwald:
"But over the five years of President Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though its population is more than seven times as large."

You can NOT blame Bush for not giving money where it wasn't asked, because everywhere and everywhen it was asked, it was given.

Katrina and Spike Lee
Star hits a home run here, exposing the leftist propaganda that Spike Lee continues to spew forth in his so-called documentaries. A fraud like the Jesses & Al Sharptons, he plays to the bigots of his race.

Billions have disappeared....
....in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama to the same corporations where billions have disappeared in Iraq. We're getting fleeced by corporations and no one says a peep. But social welfare, now them's fighting words to Town Hall. Creepy.

To Kali
References, please. Which corporations?

Thank you for saying it.
nm

Hey Jerry, r0_d1, sinner

How can you compare a snowstorm to a Hurricane the size of Katrina? Did the snowstorm destroy over 1000 square miles of towns? Did the snowstorm destroy entire towns including but not limited to homes, grocery stores, gas stations, banks, hospitals, roads, electrical services, water services, gas services, sewer services, businesses, etc. In St. Bernard Parish 100%, that is right 100%, of the homes and businesses were destroyed by Katrina. Take the World Trade Center disaster and multiply it by 1000 to get the destruction that Katrina caused. There were over 204,000 homes destroyed or damaged severely by the storm in La. When the snow was removed I bet all of the homes, businesses and infrastructure were intact. That is not the case in N.O. and the rest of the Gulf Coast.

How do you move back home when there are no businesses that would be able to support you? Remember, the grocery stores, gas stations, banks, hospitals, and utility systems were destroyed. How does a business rebuild when they are no people to support it and how do people rebuild without businesses to support them?
Look at this another way. A large housing contractor in my area can build 50 homes a year. With 204,000 homes needing repair or completely destroyed rebuilding, you would need 4080 of these contractors to get everything rebuilt in one year if you could get the money, permits, materials and laborers. There are probably not more than a few hundred contractors in the entire state that could build 50 homes a year. Let us be generous and say there are 1000 such contractors. It would still take 4 years to completely rebuild the homes and this still doesn't address the infrastructure issues. I bet there are not 1000 home contractors in La, Ms, and Alabama combined that can build 50 homes a year. Many people are waiting for approval from the government to rebuild. Remember, most of the officials in La in the hardest hit areas are Democratic but not all. Also, many people are fighting with their insurance companies to pay for repairs. Now, some of these people didn't have flood insurance and that is their fault. I guess that is Bush's fault too for not giving them flood insurance.


Was there waste and fraud because of the disaster? Absolutely, and the government should go after those who committed the fraud. I read about the same type of fraud occurred after the WTC attack so this is not just a La thing.

r0_d1
Lets take a look at Katrina and the reaction of various public officials in Katrina's path along with the victims of the disaster. N.O. has a Democratic mayor and La has a Democratic governor. Both of these officials failed miserably at their response to the disaster. They had first response responsibility and both of them failed. Now look at what happened in Mississippi. Katrina directly hit Mississippi’s Gulf Coast and not N.O. The storm went east of N.O. Most of the Mississippi and Alabama coast was wiped clean. Again, as in La. the towns were leveled. You don't hear as much about Mississippi or Alabama and the necessity of rescuing a lot of people even though they were a lot of people in the same situation as N.O. In fact, the call went out for help to rescue the people from the Dome. More than 50 school bus drivers from my area, about 2 hours west of N.O.) headed towards N.O. for the rescue. However, state officials, Democrats, turned them around because they could not guarantee the safety of the bus drivers. Remember, there were reports of gangs in N.O. shooting at rescuers. So, again I guess this was Bush’s fault that the people that needed rescuing were hampering the efforts themselves. They had to wait until the La National Guard arrived with weapons to get the rescue started. You want to blame someone, blame the criminals from N.O. and the many cops in N.O. that abandoned their post. Half of the cops in N.O. were AWOL. It was the La National Guard that rescued the people in N.O. I guess our governor was not responsible for our own guard. After the WTC attack who came to the rescue of the people of New York? Answer, ordinary Americans not the Federal government. But the rescuers didn't have to worry about being shot at by N.Y.ers.

Sinned,

It is not Bush that built the levees. It is the Democrats that were in charge of their construction. As is typical in Louisiana they were built to substandard conditions. They have multiple levee boards responsible for their maintenance and construction. Many of these are filed with political appointees. For many years N.O. dodged one storm after another. The typical response by most N.O.ers for hurricanes was that they would go to the Superdome for one day. After the storm passed they would return home. This time there was no home to return to and the local and state government did not follow their emergency plan. Things turned ugly real fast with the local criminals causing havoc in the streets and in the rescue operations.

I am not from N.O. but my father is. I used to go there once or twice a month when I was small to visit my dad’s family. I remember riding the street cars and going to the zoo. My uncle still lives in the N.O. area and his home was flooded by the storm. However, for at least the last 10 years I have avoided going to N.O. because of the criminals in the area and the mentality of most of its residents.

I'm guessing r0_d1 doesn't
live in a state that is affected by hurricanes.

r0_d1
r0_d1 said: "The REALITY is, as with other GOP PR, The monies promised by BushCo NEVER has gotten where it belongs.

True. The money DID get to the state though. I know. I live 45 miles from N.O. If you want to know where the money went to...Check out Kathleen Blanco's budget for this year. It is RECORD BREAKING PORK.


r0_d1 said: "William Jefferson, New Orleans' congressman, got caught on tape putting $100,000 in the trunk of his 15 year old getaway car. The spotlight will NEVER beam on that one. Not when FAR MORE STOLEN MONEY has been tucked into getaway jets."

Why do you keep harping on this? You do realize that this guy is a DEMOCRAT, don't you? How is Bush responsible for this?????

Tubbs
Tubbs writes: "Also, while there was plenty of blame to go around at all levels of government (and those who actually watched Spike's documentary would know that he spared no one criticism in this regard), would it have been too much to ask the Federal government to send, food, water, and ice to the people who were stuck in the Superdome for a WEEK? "

The GOVERNOR, Kathleen Blanco ORDERED that food and water NOT be brought in...she STOPPED the Red Cross and everyone else for the first few days after the storm. She said she did this because she did not want people to rally to the Superdome and the Convention Center. She wanted them to realize that they had to leave. This is a DEMOCRAT.

Hey Tubbs,
I had forgotten that one about Blanco but now that you mention it I do remember her rational. But then again that is Bush's fault for listening to her. :( ;)

Skier
That part was my response to Tubbs - and Bush, regardless of whot the the libs on this site say (and Judge Taylor) is not king- it wasn't his option.

Spike's documentary
I apparently am in the minority because I thought Lee did a decent job of spreading the blame around-take out Harry Bellafonte and the other guy (the whitest black man I've ever seen) and the general tone of the show was it was just a bad deal from top to bottom.

A few things I'd like to mention....I live in Florida on the coast. If you would like to see how leadership in government works in a natural disaster, you watch Jeb Bush in action. He is competent, he tells the citizens of FL whats going on (and then turns around and does it in Spanish), his EmerMgmt team has got the whole thing so streamlined that FEMA comes to Florida to learn how its done.

One of things that continues to bother me about the Katrina deal is why it took soooo long to get water and food to those people at the Superdome? We can fly a battalion of Marines anywhere in the world in 48 hours but we can't get a hundred pallets of water to dying people? They wouldn't let people leave the Superdome and those that did were turned back by armed officers. THat really bothers me.

The only thing I hold George Bush accountable for is the F**KING idiot Michael Brown. Otherwise, this whole deal belongs at the feet of Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco.

For me this is not about race. For those who have never evac-ed ahead of a hurricane, you don't have a clue, its not an unusual thing for it to take 14 hours to travel 200 miles. In this 200 miles you've run out of gas, there is no gas left on your route to get so now what. I don't blame some for staying. I plan on riding out the next hurricane that comes my way (hence I'm here chatting with you instead of packing up).

One of the unfortunate things that will have occured is that now FEMA is going to come in and screw up what the State of Florida has mastered. I hope it happens pretty soon so I can see Jeb kick George's ass in the backyard (I.TOLD.YOU.NOT.TO.BRING.YOUR.IDIOTS.DOWN.HERE)



hawkfdc
Most people don't have a clue what happens when an evacuation order is given. For us, a normal drive of 100 miles that usually takes 1 hr 45 minutes turns into a 12 to 14 hour trip and this is with the contraflow plan in effect. For those who don't know what a contraflow plan is it is where all lanes of traffic, inbound and outbound, are used to outflow from an area. I agree with you in that Florida knows how to handle a hurricane and others can learn something from them. Take care with Ernesto coming.

Another thing
I remember a few years ago California was having wild fires and had to evacuate people. This was right after one of Gulf coast's hurricanes. The governor stated that they ordered a mandatory evacuation of the area in front of the fire and everything was orderly and no traffic jams happened. They had to evacuate about 1000 familes from the path of the fire. He implied that California knew how to evacuate an area while we didn't. He had no clue what happens when you order the evacuation of 1 million people from an area.

You first
Sinned writes: Monday, August, 28, 2006 5:33 PM

"Re:
I forgive you for speaking from ignorance, drillanwr ..."

Gee ... Thanks, you've made my day.

"As clueless of a leader that LBJ was, at least the man had the decency to have foot on the ground and flashlight in hand after Hurricane Betsy in the 1960's. He was shouting to the people: "This is your President!".

Where was President Bush? Making a speech on Iraq."

So, Bush stupidly missed his "Bill Clinton" photo-op moment by NOT grinding rescue chopper operations in the area, on limited airport space, to a screeching halt so that Presidential security could be implemented (because you know, according to the BM news outlets New Orleans had become a battle ground of massive rape and murder)
so he could be set down on the roof of some deluged home to shout, "This is your President" ... Weak. (Besides, I find "people" (D) who claim LBJ was clueless and terrible only do so because he had his hands in the Vietnam war ... You know, the war JFK started and his brother Ted Kennedy can't seem to get over because he keeps referencing it over and over again: "This is George Bush's Vietnam..." Those same people (D) have no problem with the real failed LBJ war, The War On Poverty.)

"We had Canadian troops here in St. Bernard Parish before any Americans arrived! Canadians! I'll never forget that."

Yeah, well, thank your lucky stars they weren't French ...
Besides, I do recall an off microphone remark by your Governor about not being so quick to federalize Louisiana's National Guard. No, how would that look, a woman Governor (D) of a (D) state and major (D) city in post-disaster shambles turning ANYTHING over to the (R) run federal government? Give me a break. Any "politics" played during Katrina were being started the democratic run state. And now the critics love to shade their eyes from the fact that first response foundations were completely botched by your own elected officials ... everything else stems from that crumbled foundation. I'm not letting the feds off the hook. But I will say this: The biggest lesson that should be learned from Katrina is our BM news machines failed everyone who looked to them for facts, but got fable instead ... Rescue and aid agencies refused to enter the area that the "news outlets" were describing as violently unsafe. No, they carry food, water, and blankets ... not guns.

Side Bar: I also remember Mother Sheehan traveling to N.O. and demanding Bush pull out his "occupying forces" after the military finally got things under control...

"I take no pleasure to have to make such commentary about such things. But, it is the truth of what went on here and will be a lasting testimony to the legacy of President Bush's second term."

Really? You may possibly be right. You see it is being crafted that way, despite the obvious stupidity of your mayor and governor ... and throw in your senators and congress people who didn't get on their phones with the governor and mayor when they saw this runaway train coming and demand that city be evacuated. Where were they? Hmmm?


Finally:

"Also, it is not 'impossible' to make solid levees. If you really knew anything about the situation, you would know that your statement is false. I personally live next to the Mississippi River levee which is built correctly and works just fine. It is an earthen levee with reinforced concrete.

The floodwalls were constructed poorly and with shortcuts, and the Army Corps has admitted fault in design and construction. It is the Feds' responsibility - as through the Corps of Engineers - to have done the job right.

Now, they're paying for it ten times over."

I don't know how the citizens of New Orleans hold their local and state governments accountable (obviously not to seriously), but I do know you all should be DEMANDING to see every and all spending records of federal funds that were GIVEN to you for levee repairs and upgrades. The fact is N.O. is a natural flood area. You've either been highly blessed, or just plain fools lucky something like this hasn't happened before. Pres. Bush is unlucky it happened while he was in office. The levee problems go deeper than the Army Corps. Do all us tax payers to the federal purse a big favor, follow the paper and money trails from over the last half century that should have gone to your levees. Had this sort of disaster happened in my city you'd better believe the heads of local officials would be rolling in the streets.

"You had better wise up and think outside of the ideological box."

You first.

katrina
in the aftermath of katrina I was interested to see if there was in fact a plan for the evacuation of NO in place. at the citys website a very detailed plan was posted, including such information as what neighborhoods would require public transportation to move how many thousands of residents, what forms of public transportation ( school buses primarily) would be used, and what shelters the people would be taken to. Interestingly enough the superdome was not listed as a shelter, mostly those locales listed were public schools. Also the anouncment schedule was listed, stating information such as "do not take evacuees to shelters until informed that the shelter was made ready by volunteers, and what supplies ( water, food, medical supplies, cots, etc) were available at each shelter, how long it was expected to take to make said shelters ready.
Why was this plan not implememnted? I assume the buses were those shown flooded on the news, but the fact is the shelters should have been full long before the waters reached the parking lots where the buses were parked. Perhaps most interestingly of all, aprox 4 days after I viewed this site, the "hurricane evacuation plan" section of the NOLA website was no longer available ( on My last three attempts to view that section of the site, I was given a "not authorized to view" message.)
Talk about a cover up! The plans were laid, they just werent used, ( and No where did I see in that plan that GW Bush, condi or dick cheney were supposed to drive down and pick up every citizen of the city.
Its the state and local govts responsibility to deal with the evacuation of its citizens, and the first 48 to 72 hour aftermath of any hurricane.
So sick of hearing about "lessons from katrina" when the ONLY lesson that should be learned is "there is a population who will sit and drown rather than lift a finger to help themselves or their neighbors, waiting on "Big Uncle", who has fed, clothed, housed and medicated at others expense for the past 40 years.

P.S.
Once again, for the record, the federal government didn't fail ... it was "slow" because the local and state government of Louisiana (and N.O.) failed, right down to the local police. The federal government is the reason some semblance of order was difficultly returned to the area ... and the reason why New Orleans continues to get our tax dollars in aid ... Once again, you all down there had better keep an eye on that local "money trail".

One Party System
This is a great article from Star.

If someone did want to make a meaningful documentary, they could start with the events that followed Hurricane Betsy. It took 40 years to reap the rewards but "Save our Wetlands” environmentalists had a successful lawsuit preventing the construction of proper flood control.

David Schoenbrod's article "The Lawsuit that sunk New Orleans" (Wall Street Journal - Sep 26, 2005) should be required reading for everyone that wants to understand the scope of failure represented by Katrina.

EXACTLY!!!
Steve,

Just another unfortunate example of irresponsible and dangerous environmental special interest blackmail. Just look what they've done preventing the nation's forestry department from clearing "old fuels" from the forests. We've had some of the worst forest fires on record in the last couple decades.

I believe before another hard earned and confiscated tax payer dollar is sent to New Orleans there should be flood buffer zones and controls mandated.

Common sense needs a comeback in this country ... in a BIG way.

Stop Drinking Government Breast Milk
Star's article is on point. NO GOP spin. When you look at EVERY solution with government, then Katrina is G Dub's or whitey's fault. That is talk from someone who is on governement breast milk. The truth of the matter is this: IF you are stupid enough to wait on the feds to rescue on a 911 situation, then you deserve to perish. PERIOD. We as Afro-Americans need to learn how to stop sucking the governement's breast milk.
We would rather dance, listen to Rap or Hip-Hop(I love hip-hop also), sambo grinning, jive talk, etc. instead of building wealth. This does not mean that wealthy people were immune to Katrina's wrath, BUT they are NOT waiting for the 911 response from G.W. Bush. How is it the Fed's fault when you have so much poverty in an area, that preaches welfare programs? These programs have been in effect for years? Why are these people still poor and with out wealth or better options?
The most inspiring story from the movie was when the lady moved from the arm pit of N.O. to Utah. Most blacks would not EVEN THINK about moving to Utah...too many whites! This woman received love from her new WHITE neighbors, AND she started a NEW life! God bless her and her family! As for this r0_d1, you need to analyze why our race always, comes to meetings late, pays bills late, tries to buy new cars every year, but owns NO assets, thinks reading and making good grades is acting white, and etc. This will create options for us, and when the next major thing happens, WE will be prepared, instead of waiting on the Government (like a bunch of nuts) My next question, can the "black jive turkey leadership"(sharpton, jackson, lee, dyson, and etc) match the Fed's contribution $$billions??? If it was a Kanye West or Jay-Z concert, they might try, but they would be late to the 1st meeting.

The Problems with Louisiana
I have lived in Southeast Louisiana all of my life. I grew up in Louisiana, I went to school in Louisiana, and I now work in Louisiana. I have seen, first hand, the coruption that has plauged the citizens of my state for years. The city as well as the state of my childhood is far different than the one today. The years of corrupt politicians have laid the ground work for more corruption leaving all levels of state government for people looking to further their own wealth rather than do a job that is suppose to be about service. Louisiana has Gambling, a lottery, and some of the highest taxes in the nation. Yet our highways and schools are among, if not are, the worst. Where does all this money go? The answer is in the politians pocket. Can you name one represenative or congressmen or anyone in high government that is not wealthy in Louisiana? I can not name anyone. As for the poor in New Orleans, I have this to say to you, You are being used as pawns in a chess game. You constitute the majority of the voting population. Yet your conditions never improve, how is possible. I ask you to consider this, next time you go to vote for a man/women in any office, try not to vote for the one that promises riches to you and improvements in your situtation. Vote for the one that promises improvements in the community as a whole , because when the community is better off as a whole then the poors position in concurrently improved.

200 miles in 14 hours and Run out of Gas
When the hurricane after Katrina started heading their way, a little closer to Texas this time, I called up a friend of mine who lives just outside of Houston to see what his plans for the future were.

FUTURE? It was a good thing I called his cell phone, he'd gotten outta Dodge TWO DAYS EARLIER.

That's the thing about hurricanes, vs. earthquakes or riots etc. You get PLENTY of lead time.

If you're going to wait to be "ordered" to evacuate, it's probably already too late.

Read Dave Barry's take on hurricanes in Florida: Big tip, have SOME kind of CLUE.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/columnists/dave_barry/14686260.htm

The BM
I heard Tim Russert this a.m tell NBC's Matt Lauer that the `news media has been proven right on Katrina and on the war in Iraq'. Yeah? By whom? I haven't seen one shred of evidence they were right, and more that they were not only dead wrong, but blatantly so. I have a feeling "the masses" in this country aren't buying their spin anymore.

Unpredicable
UNcaAlby, when a huricane comes ashore the only thing you can get from the NWS is a prediction. Or a probability that the Huricane will hit you. Take for an example Katrina, it was suppose to hit Texas originally, then NWS said Florida, then Mississippi finally as the storm came within 500 miles SSE of the Miss. river they predicted landfall in New Orleans. For Reference Katrina was the largest storm on record stretching 1700 miles in diameter. So when we finally got the prediction on Sunday around Noon the feeder bands were already comming ashore, in the Florida pan-handle, Alabama, mississippi and Louisiana, now nearly 1/2 of the US population lives on or near the coast so the evacuation encompassed a large number of people. Other things that you should note about this storm; The area devastated by Katrina is the size of the entire country of Great Britian, Katrina was the first Huricane ever experienced in Memphis, Tenn. In Panama City, Fla 300 miles or so away from the center of the storm there were Huricane force winds. In Short what I am trying to get across is that every hotel room was booked as far to the east as Jacksonville, Fla., as far North as Memphis, Tenn. and as far west as Flaggstaff, AZ. 4 million people evacuated for Katrina that is a mobile city the size of Los Angelas, California.

Question to non_prophet
And what category would you fall under non_prophet?

An Example of The Afro-Saxon Mentality
The writer of this article pontificates eloquently about her disdain for the Spike Lee documentary that clearly exposed the ineptitude of Bushco. Like most Afro-Saxons, she would rather wax nostagically about traditional american values as opposed to seeing the facts as the vast majority of Americans clearly saw them.

The fact is that the Bush Administration sat on their rosy scented posteriors for five days and did nothing while Americans dehydrated, drowned, starved, died, and marinated into premium maggot feed in the hot Mississippi Delta sun. There is absolutely nothing one can say to dispute the above facts and no amount of obfuscation, victim blame game, or thinly veiled and/or glibly lame racist rhetoric will ever take away from those facts.

Ms. Parker believes that somehow a people that have had their culture, familial rights, and human dignity systematically stripped from them for over 340 years is somehow prepared to totally extricate themselves from that condition after only 40 years of so called freedom.

As a comparison, it took europeans over 10,000 years after Africans had developed several noteworthy cultures and over 3000 years after the African High Culture Civilizations had existed to finally formulate a culture worthy of history's voice.

It is Afro-Saxons like Ms. Parker that have true African-Centered Conservatives (like myself)constantly reaching for the maalox. It appears that she is neither a student of history, nor does she appear to have compassion for her fellow brothers and sisters. But then again, ignorance and indifference is another feature of the Afro-Saxon mindset.



AmenKaRaHeru
haha, your a bigot. The world is not out to get you nor is it out to make you. You have to make it work. Where would the black community have been 40 years ago, is it better off now? What would Dr. King have done? Would he stand by the comments you just made? What kinda of made up racist crap is a AFRO-SAXON? Do you want really want equality or do you want exception? Until then the rest of the community will view your post as whining. Good Day!

BigBelly...
Let's discuss what actually happened and deal with the issues as they are. Ideology aside, the federal government failed to offer aid and support to New Orleans, Mississippi, and Alabama in a timely fashion.

Mayor Nagin and Governer Blanco did not perform well either. Maybe it had to do with the fact that Nagin supported the Republican candidate for Governor much to the chagrin of Blanco and other Democrats. I don't know. However even if Nagin and Blanco had performed their duties to the best of their abilities, the fact remains that the widespread destruction demanded an immediate and decisive federal response and for five days the federal government did nothing. There is nothing no one can say or do to change that fact and that's my point.


Heru...
...what Article in the Constitution states that it's the federal government's responsiblity?

Rocky
First off Rocky lets get our english corrected. Okay? It's you're (conbination of you and are)a bigot and not "your" a bigot. *SMH* Secondary to that, I did not write, infer, or intimate in any shape or form that the world is out to get me. As such, one may come to the conclusion that you are engaging in a dilusional projection of your own is fears.

Now to address your questions....

You asked - Where would the black community have been 40 years ago, is it better off now?

Our Response - Forty years ago, the African American community was still dealing with Jim Crow. Even after the passage of the Civil Rights bill, southern communities took up to 10 years to begrudgingly intergrate African Americans into all aspects of society.

You asked - What would Dr. King have done?

Our Response - You can easily google Dr. King and find out what he did 40 years ago. Most Americans at least have a cursory knowledge of Dr. King's legacy. The fact that you do not is a clear indication that you haven't been paying attention.

You asked - Would he stand by the comments you just made?

Our Response - I do not base my comments on whether Dr. King (or anyone else for that matter) would stand by my comments. My comments result from my experiences and observations. Aren't yours? Or do you check in with Jesse Helms before you post a comment in this forum?

You asked - What kinda of made up racist crap is a AFRO-SAXON?

Our Response - It's not made up. Nor is it racist crap. Afro-Saxon is a description of a person of African ascent that acts out of and embraces a eurocentric viewpoint. It's a mindset identification mechanism.

You asked - Do you want really want equality or do you want exception?

Our Response - I already have equality. I do not need an exception. However recognizing the condition of our people and developing solutions to extricate them from that condition requires overstanding as to how that condition came to be. As such, one cannot demand that another pick themselves up by their bootstraps when one's foot is firmly entrenched upon another's neck. Especially if you're holding the shoestrings.

You Wrote - Until then the rest of the community will view your post as whining. Good Day!

Our Response - We doubt seriously that you speak for the rest of this community. As for having a good day, everyday is a good day for me. But thanks for the thought just the same.

Hetepu~~!!

Jimmy Carter
Their is no constitutional requirement that I am aware of. However, I pay taxes (happily, BTW) to the federal government to fund FEMA. FEMA is a federal agency that is in existence to offer help and aid to Americans during a federal emergency. So when they don't do their job - as was the case with Katrina, I have a problem with that.

Heru...
...your problem should be aimed at the state and local levels, becuase if they wanted federal assistance all they had to do was ask, which they didn't for I think five days...

...the only foot entrenched on Afro-Saxons' (HAHAHAHAHA!!) neck is its own culture...notice how quickly they abandon their friends and family...

Jimmy Carter
If I'm not mistaken, local and state officials did ask for help. Governor Blanco of Louisiana, Governor Barbour of Mississippi, and Governor Riley of Alabama all were in contact with Homeland Security shortly after Katrina passed through their respective areas. Unfortunately they did not get the help that they requested until five days after they initially asked for it.

Also you may want to overstand what someone has written before commenting. The comment that you found to be so humorous read as follows:

"As such, one cannot demand that another pick themselves up by their bootstraps when one's foot is firmly entrenched upon another's neck. Especially if you're holding the shoestrings."

This comment was in regards to the disenfranchisement of African Americans during slavery and jim crow. It had nothing to do with our comments regarding the Afro-Saxon mentality. Try overstanding what is written before commenting. Reading is fundamental. But so is comprehension. *SMH* again




Heru
Sorry, I mispelled "your're" I do try to fit in some real work from time to time. However, I would like to retort your comments.

All of Your Responses-Forty years ago, the African American community was still dealing with Jim Crow. Even after the passage of the Civil Rights bill, southern communities took up to 10 years to begrudgingly intergrate African Americans into all aspects of society.

My Question- So Better or Worse? It was a simple question for you, I thought.


All of Your Responses-You can easily google Dr. King and find out what he did 40 years ago. Most Americans at least have a cursory knowledge of Dr. King's legacy. The fact that you do not is a clear indication that you haven't been paying attention.

My Question- Since you have such a vast knowledge of Dr. King's legacy and already know how to look it up, and assume I do not, what do you all think. With this question I was asking for your opinion not directions to the internet.

All of Your Responses-I do not base my comments on whether Dr. King (or anyone else for that matter) would stand by my comments. My comments result from my experiences and observations. Aren't yours? Or do you check in with Jesse Helms before you post a comment in this forum?

My Question- You're right I do not consider someone elses comments before I make my own opinion. I was using this reference to Dr. King as a benchmark, something to compare nobility of thoughts. As for asking Jessie Helms his opinion before each post, no I do not.

Heru, I have one last question for you. When you say Our Response everytime, are you referring to the people who agree with you or the voices in your head. From your comments though you are either a lawyer or a postal worker. A lawyer becasue you didn't answer a single question I asked and tried to change the subject. Or you are a postal employee becasue you have too much time on your hands and you're slightly nuts.

Rocky
You Wrote - Sorry, I mispelled "your're" I do try to fit in some real work from time to time. However, I would like to retort your comments.

Our Response - Ahhh...you mispelled it again. It's you're not your're. I'll give you points for trying though. Also it's a good thing that you do try to fit in some real work from time to time. I actually work all of the time with the exception of the eight weeks I take for vacation each year. (2 weeks for family summer time, 2 weeks for daddy time and 4 weeks for the holidays) But that is the difference between someone who works from time to time like yourself and someone who puts their heart and soul into building a successful business; like me.

Your wrote - My Question- So Better or Worse? It was a simple question for you, I thought.

Our response - If you had asked the question in that manner I could have responded accordingly. What you initially asked was "Where would the black community have been 40 years ago, is it better off now? I thought my answer was fairly coherent. But I'll try again...

For those that were/are able to take advantage of the opportunities that exist today, about half of all Africans Americans have done fairly well since the end of jim crow. The poor and disenfranchised other half have had a harder time though, due primarily to the asinine welfare system, the lack of educational and economic opportunities in poor communities and the familial dysfunction resulting from each of the above.

You wrote - My Question- Since you have such a vast knowledge of Dr. King's legacy and already know how to look it up, and assume I do not, what do you all think. With this question I was asking for your opinion not directions to the internet.

Our Response - Considering that Dr. King had issues with and often chatised African Americans that engaged in behavior that was counter productive to the movement and the fact that he had compassion for those that suffered unjustly, he probably wouldn't appreciate Ms. Parker's comments.

You Wrote - Heru, I have one last question for you. When you say Our Response everytime, are you referring to the people who agree with you or the voices in your head.

Our Response - No I actually write "our response" to give two dimensional thinkers something to focus their attention on. I see it worked.

You Wrote - From your comments though you are either a lawyer or a postal worker.

Our...hmmm...My Response - I am neither.

You Wrote - A lawyer becasue you didn't answer a single question I asked and tried to change the subject. Or you are a postal employee becasue you have too much time on your hands and you're slightly nuts

Our...er...My Response - It is my understanding that the vast majority of successful attorneys haver sharp minds and are legal genuises, and most postal workers have too much to do and that is why some of them go..well..postal. Additionally just because someone has an opinion contra to what you believe does make them nuts.

Capice???





katrina one year later
Star Parker's column was typical republican spin. Like the debacle in Iraq, the GOP machine's strategy is too spin and misdirect. As for Spike Lee's doc "When the Levees Broke", I found it very profound and heartbreaking. While all levels of government failed, the bulk of the blame has to be placed where it belongs, George Bush. When this was all unfolding he was attending a fund raiser in California. But too all those "personal responsibility" folks I have one question. Can you build a levee? Didnt think so. It seems the bigots would rather harp on Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson (neither of whom are elected officials) instead of seeing what a lying, incompetent man George Bush is. Brownie you're doing a heck of a job.

Right on!
Thank you Heru. For crying out loud. I was starting to get a headache!

How did we ever get to be AMERICA
Man I am sitting here watching Oprah talk about the poor in America and Katrina. I am so sick of people looking at goverment and everyone else but themselves.
You have to be real and talk about the decisions that a lot of the Katrina folks had made in their lives that put them in a vulnerable position in the first place. I listen to some of these ministers talk about the goverment planting alchohol and drugs in the black community and it breaks my heart. Why? because it cripples black america. Liberal media types and the black leadership do more to keep black americans down then anyone white ever did Listen to Bill Cosby folks if you can ever get the media to cover him. They wont because he speaks the truth.
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