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Thursday, August 09, 2007
Sandy Rios :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Runner-up for "Worst Person in the World" Speaks Out
by Sandy Rios
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"Please do us all a favor... get raped and then killed. You rancid, filthy ___." That's a direct quote from an e-mail I received after appearing on "The O'Reilly Factor." I was on the show objecting to the San Diego Padres celebration of "Gay Pride" on the same day they invited hundreds of children for a floppy hat giveaway.

"You are a shameful disgrace and hate monger," penned another in response to my statement that homosexuality is an unhealthy, life-shortening lifestyle that should not be promoted by the Padres to children.

For such "hate" I was named runner up for the "Worst Person in the World" by MSNBC's Keith Olberman. This kind of vulgarity, exaggeration and the not-so-veiled threats are nothing new to those of us who dare speak the truth to a world turned upside down. Homosexual activists have propagated their deceptive message so effectively that their own community tragically believes they cannot change, they have no choice—and that people who oppose their "choice" hate them.

And because they have managed to so effectively intimidate anyone who would question their claims, thousands of homosexuals have never heard there is a better way... a God who forgives and a life to live that's more abundant and free.

While I will never enjoy death threats and vulgar accusations, I know they can, at times, be the natural response of evil to truth. Committed Christ-followers for centuries gave their lives rather than be silenced. Can we not bear these comparatively little consequences in our own lost generation? Yes, we can.

But the responses that bother me most are ones that out of confusion or, worse, intentionally try to equate a Biblical perspective on homosexuality with godless criminal acts. A recent report from ABC News, "Hate Takes a Life in Houston," tells the story of Kenneth Cummings, Jr., 46, a gay male flight attendant murdered by Terry Magnum, 26, who claimed, "I believe with all my heart that I was doing the right thing. I planned on sending him to hell." Terry said he'd been called by God to "carry out a code of retribution" because "sexual perversion" is the "worst sin."

That story was forwarded to me with the following e-mail: "I just wanted to write and say that I lay the blame for this incident and hundreds of others like it on you... as far as I'm concerned, you have blood on your hands."

Let me be clear: The murder of Kenneth Cummings and the loss to his loving family is tragic, but to think that the circumstances of his death should force others to be silent on the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle would be wrong-headed and irresponsible. I would have far more to answer for if I kept silent while he and other homosexual brothers and sisters remained tormented in this life and facing condemnation in the next.

That kind of silence is embraced by too many Christians who are unwilling to speak truth lovingly for fear of their own reputations... willing to let confused and lost friends and family members who are "gay" flounder in deceit and condemnation rather than risk their own "likeability." That's the blood I would fear having on my hands.

My consternation from the Magnum story and e-mail is that the e-mailer deeply believes what he's saying. Reading further in the text, I can understand why:

"This is outrageous," said Mel White, a gay former evangelical Protestant minister, who ghost wrote books for televangelist Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Billy Graham. You've got to indict everybody from (Pope) Benedict XVI on down. The church and the Christian right have set up an environment that gays are a threat to the community, and they say this over and over. And because some people take this seriously, you have murders like this. This guy is quoting from the rhetoric of the pope and Pat Robertson and the Southern Baptists.

Now that makes me angry. A man claiming to know Christ, with credentials that should demonstrate he does, using those credentials to speak lies to the homosexual community and the world... to willingly distort the message of God to excuse his own perversion and take as many people as possible down that path with him—the quintessential example of misery loving company.

Meanwhile apostates like the "reverend" Fred Phelps represent the other side of this dangerous, deadly deception... purporting to be followers of Christ, while revealing their own side of evil by declaring "God hates fags." I've got news... God loves sinners, including fags and the rest of us so much that He sent His only son to die a brutal death to pay the penalty for their sin and ours.

What does God hate? Religious phonies... liars... deceivers. Jesus drove them from the temple with a whip. He reserved his harshest comments for false teachers... calling them "blind guides... hypocrites... open-throated graves."

Terry Mangum had no power to send Kenneth Cummings to hell. No trustworthy preacher would say so. Homosexuality is a serious sin, but so are adultery, lying and stealing. If Christian doctrine prescribed retribution and murder for sin, we'd all be dead.

God sent His son, that famous "Jesus," to forgive, restore and renew... not to condemn. But redemption can't take place without the proclamation of God's standard on morality, sexual and otherwise. How will people know what sin is if we are no longer able to speak about it, confess it to each other and present the world with a better way... God's way?

If that is hate, then I guess I am a "monger." If love is letting friends and family lead destructive lives while standing by, nodding in approval, then I choose not to "love." But I do choose to be a friend... a faithful friend... the one who speaks truth even at the risk of friendship and maybe, in this case, my reputation.

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Sandy Rios is a Fox News contributor and host of the "Sandy Rios Show", heard weekdays from 3 to 5PM on WYLL AM1160 in Chicago.
 
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The solution is simple
Like Brent Bonzell, Rios misses the utterly simple answer to this.

Drum roll please....

Don't go to the Padres game.

2nd worst person
being cited as horrible by olberman is not a mark of shame. That spineless hater attacks many people. He is more concerned about being the libs lackey and inciting the libtards than looking at reality. If he ever had to defend himself it would be a contgest to see which wouls occur first, he soiled himself or he broke his arms in his haste to throw them up in surrender

brian
I guess you're saying that the "gay lifestyle" is not very "gay".

I seriously doubt that being gay leads to social alienation; however, I don't doubt that being "in your face" anything, including gay, does lead to social alienation.

In the US Constitution, that is referred to as "freedom of association".

I guess it's that evil society's fault
If only we understood that there is no truth, no right and wrong, than finally people with deviant lifestyles wouldn't be driven to hurt their bodies like that. No single segment of society should ever be marginalized for what they feel compelled to do, because self-esteem, the most important facet of living, demands that feelings be validated by the whole- all of them. This includes all of the rapists, drug dealers/users, pederasts, and of course eugenicists.

My problem with the gay community is that they argued that what goes on in their bedrooms is their private, personal life, not to be intruded upon by government. Now they want intrusion in the form of validation.

Has anyone ever been to a pride parade? If it were straight people flashing and groping each other on the verge of public sex, the outcry would be enormous, and I'm sure Rosie would say "her" children were emotionally damaged.

If the gay community wants actual acceptance, they must rein in these very public displays of what they said was private and no one has a right to interfere with. When you bring it into the public square like that, then you invite criticism.

And after attending one pride parade (Chicago's one on halstead a few years back) to see what "pride" meant and seeing all the hedonism and total lack of restraint, I actively avoid gay organized events.


Awesome article.
Really well thought out and writen. Such a great way to argue the Christian point of view on the subject. I get angry when th4e media portrays Christains to be violent hate mongers over a very small number of incidents by "alleged" Christians.

I know there have been cases of gays being attacked... but I also know there are just as many cases of gays attacking others if not MORE! Those stories tend not to make the news...

All of that aside, the article was just great. I could not agree more and found it very insightful and in a sense uplifting.

Freak Shows
I have nothing against gays except their in-your-face demonstrations of their sexuality. They would probably gain much more acceptance if they just went back into the closet. The gay pride events that I have witnessed are nothing but freak shows, and in my opinion, serves to further alienate them from the mainstream.

Rein it in
*If the gay community wants actual acceptance, they must rein in these very public displays of what they said was private and no one has a right to interfere with*

My experience is that there will always be alot of homosexuals who can't rein it in or simply refuse to do so. The theory, from what I gather, is if its in your face enough, they believe it will eventually gain acceptance. Gay activists don't want to keep it in the bedroom, they want you to validate their lifestyle.

As an example, I worked as a waiter in restaurant during college. There were two gay men working with me- one was a little older and while we all knew he was gay, he didn't spend hours making sure we all knew. Instead, he and his partner were quiet and hardworking and fun to be around. In contrast, a younger gay man, who apparently had come out of the closet the year before, went out of his way to make sure everybody knew he was gay- many times, he'd be standing around with other waiters and would begin talking about his sex life, in graphic detail. THis made alot of other folks uncomfortable but he didn't care- his take on it was, he was determined to make everyone around him feel uncomfortable, simply so he could feel better about himswelf. It was a disgusting display and in sharp contrast to the other gay waiter's quiet demeanor and respect for other people.

my 2 cents
FYI- I am a practicing Catholic.

The position of the Catholic Church on homosexualtiy goes roughly like this:

The homosexual state of mind - being sexually attracted to members of the same sex - is of course NOT a sin. But the practice of homosexual sex IS a sin - men having sex with men is a sin, women having sex with women is a sin.

I have frequently seen that tired, overused phrase "What Would Jesus Do?" dragged into conversations like this. IMO the phrase should read "What Do I THINK Jesus Would Do?" What do I think he would do in this case? IMO He would do the same thing He does in all cases, including mine - I think He would say to the sinner the same thing he says to EVERY sinner - "I love you but what you are doing is wrong and you should NOT do it. If you need help in stopping it ask me for help and I will give you all you need."

Hate the sin but love the sinner.

Eventually some of you will work your way to the question - "Well, if it's a sin to have sex with whomever we want, what do we do?"

Brace yourselves - here comes THE C WORD.

Chastity

1) I realize this is vastly oversimplified but don't you prefer something like this to a 3,000 word heavily annotated tome with about a gazillion links, none of which anyone will look at?

2) Sandy Rios - you got guts


Re: "Can't homosexuals reign it in?"
Most do. You just don't notice them because they DON'T make a fuss.

If you don't actually know any homosexuals persoanlly, you'll be tempted to think they're all obnoxious flamers because THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES YOU EVER HEAR ABOUT on talk radio, conservative sites, the MSM, etc. Yet they're a tiny minority. The others are lispless and working busily beside you at work.

How long do we have to wait
until sex stops being society's God? Yes, we realize that Toddler Liberation (the right, as P.J. O'Rourke put it, to pull down your pants in public and stick everything you can reach into your mouth) is a fixation only second to the Blackberry and other electronic Binkies people cling to today, but please, can't we spend at least some of the time talking about something else?

Personally I don't want to hear anything at all about what people are doing with each other in their bedrooms, providing they are both of legal age and not laboring under a handicap that prevents them from understanding the nature of their actions. Couldn't we all just pull up our pants and change the subject?

Kathryl
I believe you are right, and good on them for being hardworking and productive. However the "obnoxious flamers," as public as they are, are the public face of homosexuality and as such set the agenda for their "special interest group." They also claim to speak for all "transgendered" people, requiring the hard working quiet bunch to speak up.

Maybe if an "Average Joe Gay Guy/Gal" group sprung up, the mainstream would not be so fed up and headed for a large backlash?


vandarn
work on your spelling

gays
Brain, had a sister who lived in Seattle, Washington, you know liberal town.
Two gay men, who lived by them where shock how nice then where to them, being my sister and her family where very devout LDS. My sisters family had no problem with them, these men where two of the funnies people I ever met.
They send the liberals were the nasty ones to them in Seattle, go figure.

Salt lake city, is a mecca for gay people, why? No body cares, and people here are nice to them here.
I've always thought liberals where the nasty ones of hate, read above article for proof.

To Vandamm and the rest like him/her
Dude, did you even read this article? Where is the hate? You are the hater and the liar here. Yes that's right I said liar. Quit lying about Rios. Homosexuality is a mental disorder. How anybody can say anything otherwise and keep a straight face is just in total denial.

Vandamm,
Please compose yourself. As a bisexual myself, I don't think you are representing us very well :)

I don't see any hatemongering or "blame the victim" in Rios' column today. She is critical of the homosexual lifestyle as is her right. But she says she is MORE disturbed by self-professed Christians like Magnum who are inspired by Pat Robertson's hateful words to commit violent acts.

It is the Robertsons and the Magnums of the world who are despicable, calling for gays to be driven out of societies and murdering them. Criticism is not the same as hate or violence.

If you're objecting to something Rios said in another time/place, please provide a link or quote :)

Don't get me started...
I'm torn between wanting these people(gays)to show their true character by displaying all their affectations and public spectacles(because that is how we teach our children WHAT NOT to be like); and by wanting them to just fade back into the woodwork. Uh, well, THAT won't work now that I think of it because that's how all those priests, polititians, and school textbook writers got away with so much while our heads were turned! To not keep an eye on them is to let them creep further into places of power where they can change moral laws and rewrite history...so flame on bruthers and sistahs! I got my eye on ya'll!

Oh, and to Mr. $ out there with the drum roll and the simple answer to it all....10 to 1 says the person who coordinated that STUPID dual event featuring kids and gays, IS GAY, TOO!
I am sick and tired of people thinking that children should be exposed to EVERYTHING in life as soon as possible! You take away their innocence and fill their heads with controversy at an age where it causes mental and in some cases physical repercussions.
IF gays had their own professional baseball teams and a National League, etc.,then maybe a privately-owned and funded ballpark could have a gay awareness night. But I really don't want my tax dollars spent encouraging that crap.

freetothink
"They send the liberals were the nasty ones to them in Seattle, go figure"

I assume that what you meant to say was that "they said liberals were the nasty ones" But given your inability to site any examples of liberal nastiness to gays, what I really think you were trying to imply was that Rios's obvious bigotry is not limited to vile conservatives such as herself. Nope, that disgusting, hateful woman is a part of your party, not ours.

Vandamm, thank you for enlightening me on Rios's background, seems she's been riding around on her broomstick for quite some time. My mother use to say that God has a special hell for those who cloak themselves in His words while practicing the actions of Satan. Ahhh, if only Falwell could speak from below to warn his fellow hate mongers.

just a girl
Well put.

Rios also has a mental disorder
Vandamm:"Rios was spokesperson for CWA during the tike of Lawrence vs. Texas. She made tens of radio programs at the time where she demanded the right to jail gays and how sodopmy statutes were handy to silence gay political movement."

Well then, not only is Rios a bigot, but she's obviously a stupid bigot. Bubble child that she is may not realize that sodomy is not an exclusive act of homosexuals. And since these so called Christians are so agast of sodomy as TRULY described in the bible, it's a wonder that they fail to recognize that the sin (rather hetero or homo) is in the ACT, not the ATTRACTION.

The Problem with the Religious Right...
...and with Rios in particular is they have confused faith with fact. By doing so they are skirting the line between speaking the word and enforcing the word. She feels justified because she believes she has the "truth" on her side. She seems oblivious to the fact that her "truth" is subjective. She is free to hold and speak her beliefs, but she is not entitled to enforce her beliefs.

One thing Christians forget is that the same law which protects their right to speak, protects the other side as well. Unfortunately for every wingnut we have on the religious right, we have a corresponding wingnut on radical gay left. They both use the other to justify their existence. The only saving grace I see is that there are relatively few on either side who feel the need to ratchet up the rhetoric to this level.

'What does God hate? Religious phonies... liars... deceivers. Jesus drove them from the temple with a whip. He reserved his harshest comments for false teachers... calling them "blind guides... hypocrites... open-throated graves."'

Rios needs to look in the mirror. She is among the worst.

Vandamm
Prove it about Rios. Otherwise, put a cork in it. And what the heck is a gay political movement? That doesn't make any sense? Btw, chill out on the hate will you? You're coming off like a real dick. Sorry, I just call it like I see it.

Gay Pride Events
I watched a gay pride march in London in 1994. I thought it was wonderful. It takes a lot of guts to get up in public and proclaim that thing about oneself that society as a whole condemns. Such acts of courage are rare in this world. They should be celebrated and encouraged. Whether I or anyone else agrees with what they are proclaiming is irrelevant. It is that they are protected in their expression that demonstrates to us that we are protected in ours.

This is like a radio call
Before everyone posts on here, please, take a minute, breathe and re-read your post. Is it grammatically correct? How is the spelling? Is it logical? Put it in word if you have to. But please, don't just shoot from the hip, as that makes us all "dumber," to quote the principal from "Billy Madison."

Vandamm
"Actually Texas sodomy stuatues were gay men specific. It only banmned sodomy between men, heterosexual sodomy was legal. there's hilarious amicus brief from James Dobson and Family Reserach Council where they praise the pro famnily nature of anal sex between a man and a woman. They wanted to keep tha law trhat targeted specifically gays in books."

Oooohhh, I see. It's okay, for heterosexuals to commit the sin, at least according to the same bible to which supposedly these zealots beliefs derives, but not okay for homosexuals? Don't cha love the way these bible toting, scripture quoting, hypocrites pick and choose which part of the bible they believe and simply cast away the parts that may deprive them for their enjoyment?

Vandamm
"I do "love" them to equal amount they do love gays. Everything I have said about Mrs. Rios here is said in spirit of Christian love."

And since according to the "Christian" right, it's perfectly okay to point out the sins of others (even if they're sinners themselves), they have no reason to be offended by you giving them the same dose of "Christian love" they so willingly give to homosexuals.

Vandamm please...
Chill with the hate man.

Vandamn can't be bothered
And that's what makes your comments rants and not cogent, coherent and well thought out points. That type of crap drives people away and causes them to discount what you are saying. It takes away any and all credibility that you may have had.

Like I said, slow down, take some time, and then make a point. You keep on bringing up stuff Rios has said. How about some links? How about some proof? Until you do so, you'll be at the margins of not only debate, but I suspect life in general (which is I think why you're so full of hate). Good luck.

Vandamm,
I still don't see where she's blaming the victim of murder for being murdered. I'm not saying you're lying, I just don't see it. Could you quote the author?

Bi-conservative Christians
Sandy Rios is one of those "have it both ways" christians that no one respects. I respect Phelps more for taking a position, and not mincing words. Christians like Sandy Rios are Bill Clinton Christians. "It depends on what your definition of 'is' is". Its the same reason that Apologists are so reviled for parcing the words of the Bible. It either says something or it doesn't. People can go around all day quoting the bible at each other. The one that quits the game first is the non-believer who will never trust you, because you have proven yourself to be just like Bill Clinton who didn't have sex with Monica because she did all the work.

Now, if the human sacrifice of Jesus is not sufficient, then gays can always add additional suplemental atonement with additional burnt offerings.

Mick
"Chill with the hate man."

Who exactly is Vandamm hating here, Mick? And if he is hating, how exactly does that differ from the "love" of Rios?

It's terrible that such
vile rhetoric was directed at her for her views, to which she is entitled, but it seems quite apparent that a certain percentage of people have been homoesexual throughout history, it is probably some type of genetic varient, and is no more a "sin" than it is is a sin to be left-handed.

Really? The Worst?
I don't endorse the email sent to you in such disgusting language regardless of the subject it speaks toward, but I will say that your discriminatory behavior that borders on a type of racism, it seriously putting in question any sincerity or morality you may think you have.

If your god doesn't want you to be gay, then don't be. However, you really need to get off the soapbox of sanctimony. Your bible isn’t the unalterable word of god, otherwise you’d still be subjugated in life, you’d be stoning and killing people everywhere for transgressions of all kinds and you’d own a slave or two. Come off it.

Your myth about your god and it being all that is just that, a myth. Enjoy it, worship it, but you really sound like a nutcase when you try and utilize it as a means to endorse your own bigotry.

You apparently acquired this idea from some other source other than religion, but it's terribly convenient how religion gives you the freedom to discriminate.

Meddling Christians
Sandy is an example of the kind of meddling Christian conservative who drives many of her fellow citizens nuts. She interprets her Bible as saying that homosexuality is a perversion and a sin, ignoring the fact that science strongly suggests it is an innate, rather than a chosen, condition. If she doesn't approve of homosexuals or their behavior, she is free to avoid hanging out with them---not that she'll ever really know for sure if she has succeeded in that goal. Otherwise---as in other fundamentalist-meddling situations (e.g., prayer in public schools, creches in public places)---she should just butt out. Why not do some real Christian good by helping the poor, working for peace, or visiting the sick and elderly?

Ayana
You don't know yet? Well, obviously Vandamm HATES Ms. Rios and from what I can tell a good number of Christians people too. I don't see Rois standing at the waters edge screaming vile things about homosexuals. That's how it differs. I know, I know you'd actually love for her to do just that, but she doesn’t so you have to make it up that she does because you know too well that a lie can travel half way around the world before the truth even has a chance to get it's boots on. And that’s what guys like Vandamm want. They live for that kind of stuff.

I'm curious...you don't think that someone who gets aroused by someone whose private parts are same as their own, isn't suffering from a mental disorder? Are you prepared to say that?

johninoregon
You obviously don't believe in soul cancer.

The bible?
You folks quoting the bible; what would jesus do, et.al. really need to pick up a science book once in a while and educate yourselves.

This type of ignorance is astounding at this stage of our evolution...oh that's right you don't "believe" in evolution.

Mick
I do not approve of hatred in any form but when it comes to Rios and her ilk...well let's just say I certainly understand how some may come to hate such a hateful person. I may not have made this clear but I'm also a Christian, a REAL one Mick, and I don't recall Vandamm being hateful to me!

Mick:"I don't see Rios standing at the waters edge screaming vile things about homosexuals."

You don't think using the term f*g to describe homosexuals is vile and hateful, Mick? You don't think a person blaming the victim of a hate crime instead of the murder hateful Mick? Tsst tsst, for one brief second I was under the impression that you opposed hatred from any side! Thank you for correcting me...


I have a question or two
Just a Girl: If you don't want children to be exposed to the fact that some people are homosexuals, what do you do about the ones in your own circle or family? Are they forbidden to join gatherings when your children are present? What do you say to children about this? Should you teach children to shun gays?

My other question is why do the rest of us have to bow to the religous beliefs of someone like Ms. Rios. I am not religous and am utterly confounded by your belief. I think gays should have at least the same rights as you.

Try as I might, I will never understand how the marriage of two people of the same sex has become such a huge issue--overriding what I believe are more important issues. Why, if someone disagrees with you about one thing, do you say they are advocating no morals or right at all?

Mick
"I'm curious...you don't think that someone who gets aroused by someone whose private parts are same as their own, isn't suffering from a mental disorder? Are you prepared to say that?"

A mental disorder? What I "think" may not hold water to what is "fact", Mick? And the fact is your opinion in regards to homosexuals means next to nothing especially considering that I strongly doubt you've done any real research on the matter, and I don't mean repeating some BS meme from Tony Perkins who's just a misinformed on the subject as you apparently are...if you "think" it's a mental disorder, than "choose" not to be mentally distrubed! But of course, I "think" anyone who spends an obscene amount of time contemplating the sexual activites of other people aren't exactly mentally stable! Ahem...Ted Haggard anyone anyone?








Moral Majority is neither

"My other question is why do the rest of us have to bow to the religous beliefs..."

What a great observation and rhetorical question. The answer is: we shouldn't. The religious are free to think as they wish, believe as they wish, but not impose their beliefs on others.

It's so old by now, but worth repeating, freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion.

Ayana
"You don't think using the term f*g to describe homosexuals is vile and hateful, Mick? You don't think a person blaming the victim of a hate crime instead of the murder hateful Mick? Tsst tsst, for one brief second I was under the impression that you opposed hatred from any side! Thank you for correcting me..."

Yes, I think that all of those things are hateful, but where in this article or any other that Rois has written does she use that term? And where exactly does she state that it is the victims fault for the crime committed on them is their fault? I like to think that I am a pretty fair person, so if you can show me when and where Ms. Rios made these comments then I will be the first in line to call her a nasty name. I'm sorry if you miss read me. I'll be waiting for your proof of Ms. Rios' hatred. Thanks.

AudiR10
Your comments reminded me of an article I read once (written by a left-leaning fashion journalist, incidentally), in which the author said, from sheer exhaustion with the whole topic, "EVERYBODY, back in the closet! Now!!"

I have to say I sympathize with her. And you.

Here's a thought experiment. I propose that an organization like CWA sponsor a "Traditional Man-Woman Marital Pride" event at a major league baseball game.

Next, CWA or whoever should sponsor an "Abstinence Pride" event at a major league baseball game.

Follow that with a "Traditional Nuclear Dad-Mom-Kids Family Pride" event at a major league baseball game.

With all these episodes of Constitutionally protected free expression going on, we would then have the opportunity to appreciate how very much that free expression for all means to the various lobbies for alternatives to traditional marriage, etc. After all, these Pride events would not be advertising anything to anyone's kids. They would not be targeted at anyone who disagrees with their premises. What could possibly be the harm in celebrating one's chosen lifestyle at the ball park? The Traditional Pride people would just be expressing themselves. And others would be welcome to... drum roll... avoid the ballpark that day.

Ayana
So, in other words you don't think it's a mental disorder? Have you researched this matter? Btw, who the hell is Tony Perkins? I could easily say that you don't have the faintest clue of what a mental disorder is. Most people who have psychological disorders aren’t aware that they have one. Again, it's just disingenuous to say that someone who gets off on the idea of touching someone else whose private parts are exactly the same as their own is a couple tacos short of a combo.

Homosexuals are the hateful ones
Judging by the posts on this board, it is obvious who the hateful, vile, intolerant, etc. etc ones are: the homosexuals. They cannot stand not to be validated for their perverted beliefs, and therefore must resort to foul language and slanderous claims. Disgusting.

Mick
"Yes, I think that all of those things are hateful, but where in this article or any other that Rois has written does she use that term?"

From the same article which you obviously did not read, her quote " God loves sinners, including fags and the rest of us so much that He sent His only son to die a brutal death to pay the penalty for their sin and ours"

You do understand why she was fired from CWA, or did you decide that what you "think" overrides getting accurate information? Perhaps you should learn to gather facts before posting your "opinion". I mean, you couldn't even bother reading this article before you jumped to the bigot's defense. And you have the nerve to question the mental capabililty of homosexuals. You are hilarious!! Do you plan to take that stand up routine of yours on the road?




Mick
"So, in other words you don't think it's a mental disorder? Have you researched this matter? Btw, who the hell is Tony Perkins? I could easily say that you don't have the faintest clue of what a mental disorder is."

What I'm saying Mick, is that I have yet to see any research that supports that theory, THEREFORE, I have come to the conclusion that homosexuality is not a mental disorder based on a lack of sufficient evidence. See how that works, research first, form opinion second!

Silly Pants: "Judging by the posts on this board, it is obvious who the hateful, vile, intolerant, etc. etc ones are: the homosexuals."

Who exactly are you referring to? Oh I see, you ASSUMED that anyone who defends gays are gay. Thanks for your post, it was informative and well thought out (sarcasm off)

Gays paint themselves as victims
Once again, homosexuals are trying to paint themselves as the victims. Nonsense. There was never any intent by them to “live and let live.” Instead, the agenda was always to paint themselves as a victim, then force everyone to accept and validate their lifestyle. In Arizona, they are suing a business owner for forcing “transgenders” to use the bathroom that corresponds to the parts they were born with. In public schools, children are forced to attend “diversity training,” which is basically just a front for forcing kids to accept homosexuality. In Iowa, lesbians are forcing the YMCA to change it’s definition of “family.” And on, and on, and on. We all need to get our heads out the sand and realize that the threat to our right to not accept homosexuality is in very serious danger. People need to start standing up for themselves.

Grow up
Ayana, like all gay "rights" supporters, resorts to sarcasm and immaturity, instead of making a point. Nice job.

Homosexual "acceptance" cannot be forced
Ayana, I really don't give a cr-- if you are gay or not. What I care about is my right to defend my beliefs without being shouted down by intolerant bigots -- the homosexuals (and their supporters) who demand that their every whim be fulfilled -- or else.

Trolls
coolnout,

Like all the other trolls on this board, your parents apparently forgot to tell you how to think or speak intelligently. Apparently, your development stopped at the age of 3.

scooternyc /racism, sanctimony & stoning


scooternyc writes: “I don't endorse the email sent to you in such disgusting language regardless of the subject it speaks toward, but I will say that your discriminatory behavior that borders on a type of racism, it seriously putting in question any sincerity or morality you may think you have.”


On what “type” of “racism”, specifically, is her “discriminatory behavior” bordering?




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scooternyc writes: “If your god doesn't want you to be gay, then don't be. However, you really need to get off the soapbox of sanctimony.”


Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) sanc•ti•mo•ny
–noun

1. pretended, affected, or hypocritical religious devotion, righteousness, etc.


You have made the charge of “sanctimony”; would your argument not be strengthened if you can substantiate your charge, as opposed to simply making an ad hominem attack?




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scooternyc writes: “Your bible isn’t the unalterable word of god, otherwise you’d still be subjugated in life, you’d be stoning and killing people everywhere for transgressions of all kinds and you’d own a slave or two.”


This statement reveals, at a minimum, a misunderstanding of:


A) the inspired nature of God’s Word:
God’s Word is truth, it is unalterable and it will endure forever.


B) the many differences between the Old Testament and the New:
The laws regarding capital offenses requiring stoning were under the Law of Moses, but we live in the Christian era. The New Covenant applies to both Jew and Gentile alike; those who commit the sin of engaging in homosexual sex (a type of fornication) are to be called to repentance, not to be stoned to death.


Smarty Pants
"Grow up Ayana, like all gay "rights" supporters, resorts to sarcasm and immaturity, instead of making a point. Nice job."

Sweetheart, my growth was displayed by the SEVERAL points I've made on this post. Don't get mad at me because you lack the intelligence to contribute anything of substance!

Van Damm/ hatefulness
I'm libertarian agnostic, but HAD to post. InAmerica, we have freedom of speech, religion, and association,etc.What gays do BEHIND closed doors is THEIR business.In PUBLIC, however, decency must prevail. As far as 'hate, prejudice, and distrust", look at dailykos, huffpost, or Olbermann's show-the left is much more vociferous and aggressive.
Other than crazy fred phelps, exactly which Christians are publicly calling for death to gays? In reality, christians are more loving, giving, selfless than all other "affinity groups" combined. Van Damm, list for me all the charities, scholarships, food banks, etc. run by buddhists, muslims, or "gay pride". Regarding gays, I say "live and let die"-if they choose high risk unprotected sex acts, fine! Just don't ask for MY tax dollars to fund treatment for your self-inflicted diseases. And if we disallowed gay adoption or surrogate usage, this self-inhibiting non-reproductive condition would be bred out of the species. After all, survival of the fittest benefits and strengthens humankind.
So Vandamm, feed grizzly bears,have gay sex, try a vacation in Iran or Saudi Arabia , and have a Gay Pride parade there.

scooternyc / myths, bigotry & truth


scooternyc writes: “Your myth about your god and it being all that is just that, a myth.”


The truth remains the truth, whether we choose to believe it or not; calling something a “myth” does not make it so. To say it another way, the truth is not dependent on whether we believe it in order to be true; it just is what it is. You may not believe you will fall if you step off the roof of a building, but that doesn’t change the truth of the matter.



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scooternyc writes: “Enjoy it, worship it, but you really sound like a nutcase when you try and utilize it as a means to endorse your own bigotry.”


Instead of using words like “racism” and “bigotry” as weapons intended to silence those with whom you disagree, why not substantiate your charge(s) by defining those words (citing your source) and then quoting the target of your attack in context?


If your charge(s) are sustainable, will they not have much more impact when your readers can decide for themselves whether Ms. Rios is a ‘racist’ or a ‘bigot’, without needing to be told what she is by you?


Of course, the downside of such an honest approach is that if your charge(s) of “racism” and “bigotry” cannot be credibly sustained for all to see, you will no longer be able to throw those words around with such reckless disregard for the truth.



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scooternyc writes: “You apparently acquired this idea from some other source other than religion, but it's terribly convenient how religion gives you the freedom to discriminate.”


Would your argument not be strengthened if you minimized speculation and had a better understanding of the religion you are attacking?

Christians are commanded to discern and discriminate with regard to behavior, to recognize the difference between right and wrong, good and evil; not according to the subjective, ever-changing standards of the world, but according to His unchanging sovereign standard.

Smarty Pants
"Ayana, I really don't give a cr-- if you are gay or not. What I care about is my right to defend my beliefs without being shouted down by intolerant bigots -- the homosexuals (and their supporters) who demand that their every whim be fulfilled -- or else."

Little me slow it down for child...I'M ALSO DEFENDING MY RIGHT TO STATE MY BELIEF. And the only people who are shouting down the rights of those who they oppose are rabid homophobic bigots hypocrites like yourself. And the only whim they're defending is the right to live their lives as they choose. If you have a problem with that, that's a problem you'll always have...bigotry in this country is not new, nor is the fact that eventually the country as a whole will come to their senses and shun you racist.

Worthless
Ayana, your comments are entirely worthless.

Ayana
You are right. She did use the word "f*g". I stand corrected. What a witch! See I told you I was a pretty fair guy. But, I'm still waiting on where she wrote or said that the victem deserved to be murdered. And no I don't know why she was fired from CWA. I don't even know what CWA is. I don't really care either. This topic, for me that is, really has nothing to do with religion, but more to do with science. I'm approaching homosexuality from a psychological point of view. It is in my opinion that homosexuality is a mental disorder. That doesn't mean that gays are bad people. You seem to really want people to hate gays just so you have someone to hate back. You keep trying to categorize me and any other person that has diagnosed this behavior as a mental disorder out to be a hater. If I pointed out to you that someone with a spilt personality has a mental disorder would that make me out to be a hater towards people who suffer from multiple personalities? By your definition it would. I'm just trying to point out to the kind readers here on Townhall what I feel the truth really is on this subject. So, let me state one more time (without hatred in my heart what-so-ever) that I truly believe that homosexuality is a mental disorder. AND that it can be cured with the right treatment. What exactly is SO hateful with that?

Ayana
(Laughs). Homosexuality is wrong, period, and you will never convince me otherwise. You can talk until you're blue in the face about how I am a bigot. Go right ahead.

Ayana
The fact is, Ayana, that America is getting tired of bowing to the homosexual agenda and their ridiculous demands. Maybe you are the one that should be worried, dear.

Great Article
Sandy: Way to lay it out before Christians who think a little criticism is suffering. They should study the history of Christians who were killed for what they believed.

Its been said before; Gays do not want tolerance, they demand approval..forced or otherwise.


Wrong
One more thing: This is no longer about the "right to choose," and it never has been. When you have the nerve to believe that you have the right to tell me and everyone else what to think, how to run their business, and how to live their lives, you have crossed WAY over the line. The fact is that homos are FORCING people to accept their ways by threatening to sue or promising to force them out of a job (or potential job). Why don't you drop the pretense, honey -- it's getting a little ridiculous.

Solo610
I agree completely.

Realism vs La La Mind
Now it seems, as too often the usual case, that the proponents of homosexuality have missed everyone's points---or perhaps that's a purposeful action?

I'm a Catholic, and I firmly believe that homosexuality is a sin. I don't hate the homosexual anymore than I hate the person forced by circumstances into theft, assault, or murder. Punishment for sin will come at sometime, but I'm not pushing it. It's not up to me to carry it out.

What I want is to be safe from the constant in-your-face attitude from homosexuals. It seems most believe that if they push their sins in front of everyone claiming it's only a 'lifestyle choice', then they clearly show they've been sadly misinformed or misled. And those who oppose such people, while sometimes vocal, are not haters. They are simply realists when it comes to morality.

As I believe, homosexuals are headed for hell. That's not a threat or hate comment, just a realistic and knowledgeable expectation. Thieves, assaulters, rapists, and murderers are also headed for punishment. And don't get on anyone's case about the correlation. These people are sinners, perhaps in a greater degree than the average homosexual, but still headed in the same direction.

The gay 'lifestyle' is nothing more than a term used to disguise sins. Let's face it, the perverts of the World know nothing about morality if they continue to follow their flawed thinking and weaknesses. Sex is meant primarily for procreation, and sex is a male-female relationship. Anything different from that is a perversion of reality and morality.

I await your hateful and mesleading responses.

Agreed
Tnmccoy, you hit the nail on the head. This is no longer about people who just want to do their own thing in their own bedroom or home or private business. It's about FORCING others to validate their choices, or else. It needs to stop, now.

Homosexuals are hateful and intolerant
Do you homosexuals and your supporters honestly believe that the comments below are going to help you further your agenda??? Your belief that you are somehow the tolerant and accepting ones among us is truly the biggest lie of them all. What a joke.


"Please do us all a favor... get raped and then killed. You rancid, filthy ___." That's a direct quote from an e-mail I received after appearing on "The O'Reilly Factor." I was on the show objecting to the San Diego Padres celebration of "Gay Pride" on the same day they invited hundreds of children for a floppy hat giveaway.

"You are a shameful disgrace and hate monger," penned another in response to my statement that homosexuality is an unhealthy, life-shortening lifestyle that should not be promoted by the Padres to children.


Smarty Pants
"(Laughs). Homosexuality is wrong, period, and you will never convince me otherwise. You can talk until you're blue in the face about how I am a bigot. Go right ahead."

At what point did I ever try to change your beliefs? And if you're so opposed to those who try to impose their beliefs on you, why are you trying to, as you stated, shout down the rights of gays? There are A LOT of things that are wrong, period and you probably partake on some of these things as well but what makes you a hypocrite is that you are quick to pointing out the wrongs of others. Were you born of a virgin? Change whats wrong about you , focus on you because homosexuals are not going anywhere!

ooh
To be dissed by the likes of Olberman, my god I hope Sandy can survive.

To $, just don't go to the Padres' game would work except for the fact that there was a promotion to bring in the kids for a hat give-away. This is almost as bad as when Disney had gay day at the park and informed no one. There was a big stink raised over that too.

Give me a break
Ayana, give me a break. You are a troll who is obviously here to shout down those who disagree with homosexuality. Quit trying to pretend you're not.

Scott
You'd be better employed to read a science book rather than the bible, it would make a debate with you more worthwhile.

“bordering on racism” is an analogy, clearly lost on you.

Sanctimony: hypocritical devotion – did I not ask the question of her stoning people because the ten commandments deems it so upon transgressions of any sort? If she’s not stoning people, then she’s being sanctimonious as she is hypocritical and a fraud for not adhering to her dogma; cherry picking, as it were, those aspects, which fit her zeitgeist at this time, and discarding others that don’t.

Which leads to you saying that the Old Testament doesn’t wash?

Really? Then this creationism debate can finally stop, right? Everyone can read their science books again and go to the doctor?

Still more: Matthew 5:17 – “Think not that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets, I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them”.

You may not see this as a law in your religion, but it is supposed to provide you a guide toward proper behavior, is it not? (That’s rhetorical – meaning no answer needed, it’s inferred – thought I’d help you out with that one).

Prior to the Civil War your bible was replete with and widely hailed as the authority by which slavery should have been continuous. Richard Furman made arguments that supported slavery, “The right of holding slaves is clearly established in the holy scriptures, both by precept and example”.

Whatever
And guess what? Homosexuals are going somewhere -- hell. And I have news for you: Americans are beginning to realize that homosexuality is the cancer that is infecting this country. We are tired of being told how to think. You may be having your day right now, but believe me, it will not last long.

And then there's this, Scott
Finally, St.Paul reaffirms this practice of slavery as jesus never denounced it while given plenty of opportunity to do so. Instead there is this: “bid slaves to be submissive to their master and to give satisfaction in every respect” (Titus 2:9)

Is Ms. Rios holding any slaves these days? if not, then more sanctimonious behavior.

My point: your bible is of a fictional account of someone’s life that you wish to believe in, discriminate and judge others. Fine. Knock yourself out.

But you infringe on the rights of other’s freedom to live in a society that doesn’t discriminate when you start thinking that your bible is the unalterable word of some god you’ve never seen, never shown evidence for, never can and never will be able to prove.

Your just as much an atheist as anyone else, under the auspices that you don’t believe in Allah, Buddha, Zeus, Thor, and any other number of gods that have been tossed to the dung heap of mythology once and for all.

Except Santa, I kinda like Santa. He’s so jolly and kind, doesn’t discriminate, rewards good behavior; enjoys cookies and milk – now that’s a guy I could believe in.



Smarty Pants
"This is no longer about people who just want to do their own thing in their own bedroom or home or private business. It's about FORCING others to validate their choices, or else. It needs to stop, now."

So when two heterosexuals are walking down the street holding hands or kissing in public is that also FORCING others to validate their choice? Should gay people hide who they truly are but straight people can parade their sexuality for the world to see?

tnmccoy: "As I believe, homosexuals are headed for hell. That's not a threat or hate comment, just a realistic and knowledgeable expectation. Thieves, assaulters, rapists, and murderers are also headed for punishment."

I believe homosexuals will only make a very small portion of those condemed to hell. As my mother use to say, You'll be surprise by who you run into in heaven, and even more surprised by who you won't see in heaven.