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Sunday, March 15, 2009
Salena Zito :: Townhall.com Columnist
The faithful and Obama
by Salena Zito
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The color of God might seem a little bluer after last year's election, in which "values voters" shifted to Democrat Barack Obama and away from the Republican Party.

“One election does not a cultural-shift make,” said Burns Strider, the Democrat point man on faith. “But what that election did was provide a road map forward for the Democratic Party and people of faith.

“With a Republican Party that remains confused about who it is, there is a whole lot of gain ahead of us than there is behind us.”

Obama won over 43 percent of voters who attend religious services regularly, contrasted with the 39 percent who supported John Kerry four years earlier, according to exit polling by the Pew Research Center on Religion and Public Life.

Strider, named one of the most influential Democrats on faith issues by Religion News Service, became the Democrats’ go-to guy on God in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office in 2004. After reaching out to values-voters in the 2006 mid-term election, he went to work for Sen. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

The Mississippi native did not work for Obama directly but did work for Matthew 25, a political action committee supporting Obama’s candidacy among religious voters.

In 2008, "life" issues such as abortion and embryonic stem-cell research took a backseat for 54 percent of Catholic voters, as they decidedly backed Obama; Southern Baptists, Methodists and many evangelicals also shifted their votes towards the president.

“Re-prioritizing issues is another way to look at where the life issue falls," Strider said. "President Obama has done nothing that he did not campaign on."

Life issues and the federal funding of them have been taken out by the pen of President Obama with two consecutive executive orders.

The first came on the 36th anniversary of the Supreme Court’s landmark Roe v. Wade ruling that legalized abortion in all 50 states. Obama lifted the ban on federal dollars for non-governmental organizations that discuss or provide abortions overseas.

The second executive order last week lifted the ban on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

“He is a center-left politician, that has become increasing clear,” said famed Democratic strategist Dane Strother, who thinks those policies may haunt Democrats if the economy eases as the overriding issue in the 2010 mid-terms.

Until last year, Republicans owned religious voters. “That changed under their disillusionment with Bush,” according to Strother.

Social conservatism became part of the Republican Party under Ronald Reagan, when the party's abortion plank was altered to be strongly pro-life at the 1980 Republican National Convention.

“In addition, as the Republicans gained more ground in the South during the ’80s and ’90s, picking up House, Senate and gubernatorial contests, social conservatives became a larger constituency in the GOP,” said Villanova University political scientist Lara Brown.

As "liberal" (meaning socially libertarian but fiscally conservative) Rockefeller Republicans moved into the Democrats’ column, the GOP moved further right because not many social moderates were left to pull the party back to the middle.

George W. Bush capitalized on these 20-year trends in 2004, as he and Republican strategist Karl Rove courted Christian conservatives to win a second term.

Obama the candidate never pretended to be anything he wasn’t on abortion. He didn’t need to: It really was “the economy, stupid” (Bill Clinton’s old campaign adage) in this election. After Lehman Brothers failed, the U.S. House failed to pass the first bank bailout bill and the rest of the economy tanked, voters put their faith in Obama.

“It just changed everything,” Villanova’s Brown said. “Plus, Obama worked to present himself as a religious person. ... That made religious conservatives feel more comfortable with him.”

She, Strider and Strother all agree that, for Republicans, social conservatism is not dead; it’s just on the back burner until the economy – the most pressing issue for most voters – gets back on track.

“As you see Obama become the urban politician that he is, his actions are going to cause social conservatives to get fired up again,” Strother warned.

“They will circle the wagons and the ‘born again’ churches will become more the force for the Republican Party again, the way they were with Bush.”

That’s the law of action and reaction: When belief is powerful, actions based on opposite beliefs will produce strong reactions.

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Matthew 25 support
I love the irony of the Matthew 25 group which supported his candidacy. Matthew 25 is where we're told to have concern for "the least of these". Who better to represent the "least of these" than the unborn, helplessly plucked from the womb and murdered.
I guess it fits right in with the "Employee Free Choice Act" which allows intimidation by union creeps to restrict one's free choice. It's 1984 - newspeak - 25 years late.

Link again
About Pres.Obama and BAIPA-

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/aug/21/local/chi-zo rn_21aug21

It's ludicrous how Pres. Obama has been portrayed as favoring infantcide. Once the IL bill included wording that abortion rights wouldn't be affected, (wording that abortion foes were against), the bill passed without problem. It's especially sad because he's just the opposite.
Also, he is personally not for abortion, but wants to leave it up to the woman.
It is dirty politics as usual from the Republicans.

Juanita- about Pres. Obama & BAIPA
Actually Obama has said he is for BAIPA and would have voted for the Fed version. At the state level, the 16 bills presented 2001-2004 were problematic because there was already an IL law saying the same thing, and all but the last 2 or 3 didn't have a "neutrality clause". One of these last bills while in committee was ammended to have the clause, but still didn't pass because it was seen to potentially erode abortion rights. Obama was not alone in these concerns. 1 AMA and Planned Parenthood were also against it.

1 http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/aug/21/local/chi-z orn_21aug21

Juanita:
"I saw the pamphlet that Obama put out about his alleged religious beliefs. It looked SO good and SO credible. Someone wrote all that for him, Hon. Just so he could get your vote and the votes of others like you who are so hungry for a 'man of faith' to be in the White House, thus are easily led. "

*****
Do you truly believe that this is a Christian
response to anything. First of all, please
tell us who wrote this speech for him and then
tell us at what point you decided that it was
not Obama's beliefs.

I will tell you from someone who has worked
for him the last two years as a volunteer and
is now working officially for him in DC, this
guy lives his faith. You can take that to the
bank.

If there is one thing that I can't stand
from the "better than thou" Christian group,
is that they have taken it upon themselves to
decide who is really a Christian and who really
isn't.

I knew, without a shadow of a doubt, that when
the Dow gained some support, I will find all
sorts of abortion blogs on Town Hall and other
right-wing sites. It is the one thing that
you can always go back to when nothing else is
going your way.

There is nothing else in the Republican forum
that is inherently Christian and for that matter, most of it is counter-Christian. For instance, it one thing to say "it is my duty
to work hard." It is quite another to say,
"that guy over there is not working hard, therefore I don't have to bother with him, I
don't have to learn anything about him, I don't need to show him any compassion."

Jesus never addresses any Christian, informing
them to make judgments about other people.
Jesus says only what YOU must do. The greatest of which is to show love and charity.

If you accepted that, I think that you would
be Democrats. But somehow you seem to have
chosen the law and order, the God of vengeance
side of religion rather than the Christ-centered, I am my brother's keeper, version of
Christianity.

If you chose the latter, I think your posts
would be less filled with hate and with
condemnation and would have a whole lot more
charity in them.



Religion
In Matthew 15:8-9, Jesus teaches,"My name is on their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teaching are but rules of men." Also, in Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus teaches, "Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and preform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly,"I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers." Action speak louder than words, and it is trully amazing the truth of these words. A good example of the hypocricy of this nation is the issue of gay marriage. Granted, marriage between two men and two women is a sin, I will not argue that. The peroblem I have is that at tax time we reward the hetrosexual sinner who is destroying the sanctity of marriage. Let me go back to the bible to make my point. Mark 10:11-12 Jesus teaches,"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery." If this is such a Christian nation, why then is the first time divorce rate above 60% and why do we reward these sinners and throw stones at the gay community. You see, the only people who deserve rewards are the ones who keep their marriage vows.

Who's your maker?
Christian based faiths look to the divine for forgiveness of sins, but who do you look to for reconciling erroneous stigma? "Lord, please forgive me for being a racist, even though I'm not really, but people think I am and I can't convince them otherwise." The democrats have been using the Stockholm method of conversion. Abuse, abuse, abuse and then open a small window for embrace. Religious American's have been demoralized by attacks on their country, their heritage, as well as religion. They feel seen as zealots, hypocritical and pious. Have you seen how the southern church goers are depicted in movies? This is how Democrats see most of America. Unless you're black, then you're either still the first character to die or the unassuming, yet charming (often persecuted), lovable faithful right-hand man. Wake up people. The reigning democrats don't believe in Christ. Otherwise we'd be praying for God to help stay the end of the world due to global warming. (Which will happen in lieu of the Second Coming of Christ, by the way.)

whoops
Melvin Pt. 2 (addendum -)

"Family values need big bucks."

Would you please elaborate on that statement?

Melvin Pt. 2
"Family values need big bucks."

Melvin
Speak for yourself.

I retired after 36 years as a union construction worker. I have a nice pension and with Social Security I am comfortable.

I am a practicing Catholic.

I have no "special privileges" whatever that means. I pay for my own health coverage (my union coverage expired 10 months after I retired.)

"Good blue collar union jobs combined with money supported family values are the core of the religious right." I have no idea where that came from but I must admit that it doesn't really sound all that bad.

When you say "they are all about holding on to their privileges and use the name of jezzus to rally support", etc. I must confess that I have no idea what you are talking about.

Would you please explain?

melvin
"Date: Mar 16, 2009 - 8:19 AM EST
Family Values Need Big Bucks
Good blue collar union jobs combined with money supported family values are the core of the religious right..."

Well said

Family Values Need Big Bucks
Good blue collar union jobs combined with money supported family values are the core of the religious right. They are all about holding on to their special privileges and use the name of jezzus to rally support. But times are changing because there are people struggling to survive and need help. Religion will not help a fast food worker that needs healthcare coverage. Prayer will not pay doctor bills. The new administration is realistic and will not be bullied by the self serving religious right.

Juanita2
"...You want to take the moral absolutes from the equation; but without them, we are all free to entertain ourselves with what we feel is right/wrong. What is right for you may not be for me..."

You just broke the code. I know freedom is scary but who are you to tell me how I will live my life. Who for that matter are you to tell me what god says and kill me if I don't agree (yes it still happens)? Society is what we agree on. The rules the we will live by and that govern our lives. WE, the people agree, not some mullah or priest or prophet. Many of my neighbors do not eat shell fish and I do; we get along despite it.

"...We must have an Ultimate Authority to make these judgements. This is why God must be integral to the discussion. He is the Ultimate Authority. Without Him and His Laws, we flounder in our own depravity..."

No! Guess what we do not need or want an ultimate authority. We do not want to bow down to Rome or anyone else. This is exactly what the enlightenment and our founders were about. Your problem is you think humanity is depraved. I know it can be but I often have seen outstanding positive things too. Guess what? Which way we go is up to humanity not some ultimate authority. Freedom can well be scary.

Juanita
"Date: Mar 16, 2009 - 7:41 AM EST
Hal Donahue
Really? Ppl have tried to KILL you? Why isn't your name up on every single liberal paper in America for your near-martyrdom? Further, pls outline EXACTLY where the 'separation of church and state' clause appears in the Constitution."

Just a plain old serving military guy wandering around the world. Terrorists, Catholic, protestant, eastern right Christians, sundry Muslims, all try and kill in the name of their god. It still goes on every day. Religion does not belong in politics.

"...My freedom of speech is just as powerful and guaranteed as my freedom of religion. For me, they are intertwined. I will NOT separate the two..."

Then I will oppose your anti-Americanism. When religion decides what is best for society their can be no compromise - free government stops right there. This is a fact.

"... Your denial of God is a 'religion'--a belief system in itself - you just don't call it that. And your denial of God is laced throughout your argument. And you are intertwining your 'religion' and your politics. Why is that ok for you, but not ok for me?"

Who denies the existence of god? My complaint is with organized religion. I used to think they did more good than harm but after wandering around the world I admit I was wrong.


Hal Donahue
Really? Ppl have tried to KILL you? Why isn't your name up on every single liberal paper in America for your near-martyrdom? Further, pls outline EXACTLY where the 'separation of church and state' clause appears in the Constitution.

My freedom of speech is just as powerful and guaranteed as my freedom of religion. For me, they are intertwined. I will NOT separate the two. These are your freedoms, too, as you are free to speak about your religion - your god is your belly- and try as hard as you can to keep it separate from your politics. You cannot. Your denial of God is a 'religion'--a belief system in itself - you just don't call it that. And your denial of God is laced throughout your argument. And you are intertwining your 'religion' and your politics. Why is that ok for you, but not ok for me?

You want to take the moral absolutes from the equation; but without them, we are all free to entertain ourselves with what we feel is right/wrong. What is right for you may not be for me. Is murder wrong? Or is it ok for the one who is tired of being married, so she kills her husband? Is it wrong to be a pedofile if the child is consenting? Are you and our govt up to answering these questions? Especially when someone like Nancy Pelosi is tired of being married? Or Barney Frank is in love with an 8 yr old? No way. We must have an Ultimate Authority to make these judgements. This is why God must be integral to the discussion. He is the Ultimate Authority. Without Him and His Laws, we flounder in our own depravity.

Take your 'separation of church and state' out of the conversation. At least have the courage to call your hate of religion a religion, and then we can each sew the two - politics and religion - together all we want.

Anne
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 9:53 PM EST.... You are SUCH an idiot!..YOU are the one who is demanding "answer please" but NEVER answer a direct question with a direct answer!

And YOU believe what the UN publishes?..."

Thanks for reaffirming my decision to seldom post links. You then attack the links so look up your own information. But there are repeated studies and data out there confirming that western European teenagers have MORE sex and LESS Std's and pregnancy than American teenagers. They are doing something right and we are not. Use any source you like

"...And yes, there are "some" STDs that condoms will prevent spreading BUT NOT ALL!!!.."

Well progress thank you for admitting that much LOL

Oh, Ruth...(Part 2 of 2)
So that my 13 yr old daughter could go get an abortion anytime without even having to tell me. At school, she can't take a tylenol without my permission, but under Obama's direction, she could get an abortion, and likely get federal funding for it!! Also, since election, he's lifted bans on federal funding for groups like Planned Parenthood to send your tax $$ overseas to pay for international abortions. Now, he's giving more of your tax $$ to scientists to do all the embryonic stem cell research they want, opening the door to slaughtering even more babies and the efforts at human cloning that we as Christians know we have no business putting our dirty hands on.

He is very sly and cunning and you are taking his bait. Please, if you are for real, ask God to show you the truth, and the Truth shall make you free. No one on this planet can tell me that Obama is what he wants us to believe he is. The Bible tells us it would be better that a millstone were put around his neck for what he is doing to our little children than what he is going to suffer for it. I would not want to be him, claiming Christ, but pushing so hard to advance abortion. Kathleen Sebelius is a huge fan of abortion (tightly knit with 'Tiller the Killer' - ever heard of him??)...she is up for becoming your Health and Human Services Sec'y...Obama hand picked her.

And not one iota of whatever he says he's doing for the poor matters if there if love for others is not the motivation. His love is not for others, Ruth. It's for himself and for power. Votes = power for him and he'll do ANYthing to get that from you.

Open your eyes, Ruth.


Oh, Ruth... (Part 1)
You are being hornswoggled; open your eyes.

I saw the pamphlet that Obama put out about his alleged religious beliefs. It looked SO good and SO credible. Someone wrote all that for him, Hon. Just so he could get your vote and the votes of others like you who are so hungry for a 'man of faith' to be in the White House, thus are easily led.

Why don't you take a gander at Obama's REAL abortion agenda, take two aspirin and well..take a few more. On that Saddleback Forum, when asked when life begins, he said, in the most casually flippant way, "That's above my paygrade" to avoid answering. What was that? He wants to lead the country, yet he has no idea more than that trash? McCain didn't hesitate one second. "At conception." Further, take a look at his voting record on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. Do you know what that is? That's a bill mandating medical services for babies who survive abortion. Hillary voted for it; as did the majority of the senate. Not Obama. He said that he didn't want to make the mother uncomfortable by making her second guess her decision. He also didn't want to trouble a second doctor to have to come in on emergency to accomodate the child. He made a big fuss as to its wording, so as not to compromise Roe V Wade, but still voted against it when the wording was changed to suit him. To you, his adoring public, however, at one of the debates, he told Sen McCain that there was already legislation on the books to cover that, so he didn't see a need to vote for another bill doing the same job. Liar. Back in June, he promised Planned Parenthood that as his 1st act as president, he would signed the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA), which would undo all of the hard work that's been done to restrict abortion - parental notification being a primary concern here in this discussion.

About life issues
Both Pres. Obama & Sen McCain are for Emybryonic Stem Cell research.
Pres. Obama has said he is personally not for abortion but wants to leave the choice up to the mother. Sen. McCain although against it in 2008, was for it in 2000, in the cases of rape, incest, and for the life of the mother.
Pres. Obama has publicly declared he has given his life to Jesus. I am thrilled to have a man of faith running the country!
"Barack Obama: I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn’t ‘fall out in church’ as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn’t want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals." 1
At Saddleback Church- "Obama said America's greatest moral failure is its insufficient help to the disadvantaged. He noted that the Bible quotes Jesus as saying "whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me." He said the maxim should apply to victims of poverty, sexism and racism." 2

1 http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20080306_news_ flash_obama_clinton_claim_christian_faith/
Romans 10 verses 9 to 11 says:
If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in Him will never be put to shame."
2 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/16/obama-and-mccain- appear-a_n_119365.html

God did not turn Blue
God is the same yesterday,today and tomorrow.
These so called Christians just took a giant step away from him. You can not vote for someone who supports murdering Babies, partial birth and all and who favors Homosextual marriage and really believe you are a Christian.
God Hates abortion and sexual perversion. If they would read the Word and not try to change it to suit their beliefs they would find out If they truly knew him they would be very much in fear of His wrath.

When Faith In Something Is Replaced... 2

With Faith In Nothing.

When the People of Faith, who voted for Obama, digest Obama's agenda to export abortion overseas, to use embryonic stem cells when adult stem cells have proven more effective, to sign the FOCA, to further the interests of the LGBT movement, and to push extreme secularism to the point that religion is silenced, they will more than likely be horrified that they did worship at the Secular Temple of Obama.

It is undeniable that many of the religious voted based on their pocketbooks. They certainly did NOT vote for Obama because they wanted to allow 12 year-old girls to be able to get abortions without parental consent or other matters that are antiethical to the fundamental tenets of their faith.

The more radical that Obama becomes, the less likely that these voters will vote to reelect him in 2012.

When Faith In Something Is Replaced... I

With Faith In Nothing.

At the very heart of the Christian way of life is the belief that we individual Christians, no matter what our faith, can best effect society with gentle nudges towards God by living a Christ-like life the best we possibly can, while recognizing at the same time that there has in fact only ever been one real Christian to walk the Earth - Jesus. We’re not capable of that kind of perfection. We know this. We are merely asked to try.

Secularists don’t know that simple fact about faith and feel threatened by their own ignorance, which quickly spirals into enmity as a defense against what they deeply fear is the truth. After all, Pride is what made the Devil. And the Devil’s main goal is your total separation from any kind of relationship with God, which can easily be described as anxiety, loneliness, fear, panic attacks, suicide…anything to get you away from sincerely trying to follow God. In other words, people of faith go to church while secularists go to therapy.

To quote C.S. Lewis, my favorite atheist convert, “Christianity has not been tried and found false — it’s been tried and found too difficult.”

Indeed.


Look, If you want to know where all the real sinners are, go to church. You’ll see them on their knees begging for forgiveness and admitting they cherished something else in their hearts over God. But if you want to know where the real Devils are, go to Secular Temples where the path to hell is paved in gold.

If Re is me it's
1) all of my life, it's in the upbringing
2) as stated before actions speak louder than words or if you need it simplified: you shall know them by their fruits
and
3)it's an ongoing education thru faith, belief and a desciplined Bible study, where the word desciple comes from for you Godless out there.

If you notice obama even as a radical muslim stated that he didn't actually have a strong belief or faith toward any religion, that comes from his communist upbringing by his mother and grand parents. To muslims, his brethren, he is an infidel and to me he is Godless, therefore if you side with his beliefs you must be Godless. No one who claims faith or belief in God can support abortion, it is murder plain and simple, cut and dried, the logical conclusion is that if you support this you are Godless. The list of Godless acts by the democrat party and others goes on and on but if and since you lack faith and belief I could tell you these things from now to eternity and you still will not believe me. Yet you make fun and think I am a liar because YOU dont believe, God help you.

Bread alone
Man cannot live by bread alone. And the Republican party cannot sustain by social conservatives alone.

When William F. Buckley Jr. came out against the Iraq war as nation building, he got b***h slapped by the Republican party. Same with Ron Paul.

Libertarians have been cast out of the Republican party by the millions.

Well, good luck getting elected without them. Libertarian Republicans will continue to stay at home in 2010. Social conservatives are reaping what they sowed. They wanted the libertarian arm of the Republican party. Only social conservatives.

Well, that's what you got.

Good luck every getting a national majority ever again.

About finished for the day

I have been debating some Communists on a website overseas.

I thought one of their comments was apropos here.

The Communist said to me: "Government is our God, only man has any answers for the problems in this world. Unless we all lay down our own personal needs and wants to our Government, there will be no peace or equality - We Must All Sacrifice for the Common Good."

This is the mindset of shorts, rudolf, hal and other Liberal posters at Town Hall.

Night all.

Carlos: "Liberalism is a Mental

Disease" should probably be renamed "Liberalism is a Severe Psychosis."


And, now it appears that the entire psych ward has checked in... Must be all the attendants went on break the same time! :-)




Doofass
MI has been in a depression for years. Again, where are the two largest universities in terms of enrollment in the nation?

Carlos thanks for link

The information at that link, is proof positive of Liberal competence (pun intended).

Liberals are 'Process Oriented' instead of 'Results Oriented'.

That is why Liberals are unable to measure results, like the 'War on Poverty', they just keep processing.

That is why Liberals have NEVER understood winning when it comes to war - they just want to stop the process and use the money for something else.

Liberals remind me of a Beauty Contestant, who blurts out 'I want to end World Hunger', how, with looks and charm and just because of her presence, she actually feels that her goal is possible.


doofass: HOW STUPID ARE YOU REALLY?


"Do condoms really protect against STDs?
They’re part of safe-sex practices, but they aren’t foolproof. Dr. Judith Reichman, ‘Today’ show health editor, shares the latest information"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13999099/

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2264/do-condoms-pr otect-against-stds-other-than-hiv

How well do condoms work against STDs?
Debate over whether warning labels should be changed

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8399212/



Read it and weep! Apology accepted!!!



obama is wrong on every
issue religous peopled care about. They may have flirted with him once but the democrats are whistling past a graveyard if they think the same folks will vote for him twice.

doofass: You are SUCH an idiot!

YOU are the one who is always demanding "proof" and "links" and YOU won't provide them when asked!

YOU are the one who is demanding "answer please" but NEVER answer a direct question with a direct answer!

And YOU believe what the UN publishes?

You're dumber than we thought... and we're all sure that you're really dumb (being a liberal, and all!) LOL

And yes, there are "some" STDs that condoms will prevent spreading BUT NOT ALL!!!

And, being the amoral, unethical pervert you obviously are, no doubt YOU know which STDs that condoms won't protect you from. LMAO!


A Teaching Opportunity
Hosquatch 7:59 PM

I appreciate the kind word and the chastisement. I've said the same thing myself in some of my comments. A couple of things though. First, there's always the hope that some glimmer of truth might get through. There's the hope that they are sincere in their ignorance and that their hearts aren't so seared that they are purposely writing the things they write - knowing and believing them to be lies.

2 Corinthians 3:14 and 4:4 are two verses that describe their condition. "But the people's minds were hardened, and...the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ."

"Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe."

So, in a way you are right, 'Liberalism is a mental disorder' in so much as they, in their present state have a delusional view of reality.

But, until I was 25, I shared that delusional state. And I know that with God's grace and mercy, it can be broken. Their minds can be freed from Satan's grasp. They can potentially know the love of God through the power of the Holy Spirit. Then, what I've just written will no longer be gibberish to them.

Besides, I think there was an element of just wanting to tweak them a bit. Shame on me.

Finally, it is a learning opportunity for those of us who love God and our country and want God's blessing on our nation. Liberal lies are so rampant in this nation, in the schools, in the mass media, in Hollywood, in our culture, that there's always the possibility that some of their delusions may begin to impact what we think. Thus, my little object lesson about the slandering of Robert Bork.

Why Liberals like Obama as their Leader

Liberals ARE always wrong. One can just choose the reverse of what they feel and think and be close to being correct.

The first time I happened upon an article by Dr Sowell, he became a leader to me as an individual.

Why, because Dr Sowell put in words what I thought and believed in. That is what a Conservative Leader is all about - saying what you think.

Barack Obama is the type of leader who tells his followers 'What to Think', instead of what they think, because his followers only 'Feel' and are emotionally driven by intuition and feelings.

That is why I use the analogy of Barack Obama as a 'Judas Goat', telling his followers what to do and when and where.

Liberals and Conservatives will never understand each others leaders, because the criteria is so different.


Birth control is perfectly fine.
Condoms almost always prevent STDs. Modern birth control is > 99% reliable, especially when "doubling up". Teenagers get pregnant because they don't use birth control, not because it fails. Lots of abortions in this country to (white) educated women, i.e., women who should know better to use birth control. European children do not have more sex, but they are better at using birth control in a number of countries (but not UK for instance). In Netherlands teenage pregnancy rates, abortion rates, STD rates lower than in US because of birth control, but divorce rates lower too (~ 30%).

Anne...

From delusions to outright psychosis.

You did call that one :-)

Annette
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 9:32 PM EST... All you Christians who voted for Obama need to ask yourself one question...do you serve God or man?"

From where I stand it looks as if god is shining on President Obama. Tell me do any of you wonder if perhaps you may have gotten this a little bit out of whack and god sides with Obama and the living? just a question

Sandra... that really is

The tip of the iceberg. 'Every' City department in Detroit is under ongoing Federal investigations.

When Detroit says "Kick-back", they don't mean Relax.

Hal all you have to do is look and learn
it's actions that speak louder than words and obama etal are Godless. Just ask barry.

Anne
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 9:29 PM EST...And of course, .... just makes up more supposed facts about condoms. YOU are absolutely correct about all the STDs they do not prevent from spreading. Just ONE MORE LIE the left promotes."

YAWN! Silly woman I don't but as I have told you many times I will let you do your own research. Like the teenage sex, pregnancy and disease data is available from national statistics or the UN or independent medical journals. And you are wrong condoms do without a doubt provide protection from infection

Terrible Article 2
The 750 million propaganda machine and it's candidates lies fooled the simpletons and the illusionary.
This is a lousy article with comments from only one side.
McCain is a MODERATE, Gov Palin is a True reformer but, the propaganda machine fooled too many and the $750 million bought the acorn cheating votes, without the $$ and the cheating, the economy was not an issue.
the "faithful" a las Judah style !


NOTE: NOT INTERESTED IN ANY SICK, MOST LIKELY DRUG ADDICTED LEFTIST COMMENTS, SHOVE THEM UP YOUR AST !!

the faithful and obama
There seems to be a huge disconnect between what a faithful Christian believes and what it takes to support a so called Christian president. A faithful Christian knows that commitment is first and foremost to God...how then can a Christian truly support an individual who has such blatant disrespect for human life. How can a Christian justify support for a man who has championed the causes of abortion and embryonic stem cell research. All you Christians who voted for Obama need to ask yourself one question...do you serve God or man?

Terrible article, with little to no
thought.
anything written about how acorn assisted bo and his assocts to steal this election must include the facts 1) acorns massive cheating 2) 750 million campaign propaganda money that nobody knows where it really came from 3) corrupted media, spewing out propaganda, bought and paid for with campaign money 4) ignorant voters 4) Sen McCain was too nice.

striden is "values" then so is Lucifer
bo and his asscts conned over 43% of the easily fooled wavering "values" voters and lost nearly 57% of those true "values" voters.
54% cafeteria "catholics" most of those fools don't even know what their Faith really teaches and the majority probably stop by church on Easter and Christmas...maybe !
"President obama has done nothing that he did not campaign on," nice play on words. The truth is that con man bo has not done many things that he did campaing on to attract the moderates and sane liberals. He has broken many promises. How many Republicans and Independents are serving in bo's cabinet ?
demon stroher "dillusioment with Bush," created by the corrupted media with the $750 million pay off money use to propegated all their lies.
"obama never prentended to be anything he was not on abortion" Bo LIED A MILLION TIMES ABOUT HOW HE SUPPORTED LETTING A CHILD THAT HAD SURVIVED AN ABORTION DIE AND NOT BE ALLOWED MEDICAL CARE TO SURVIVE ! HE LIED ABOUT HOW RADICAL HE TRULY IS, HE RIVALS HITLER AND THE EXPERIMENTS ON HUMANS ! What a manipulative and deceiving lie to say "he never prentended to be anything he was not on abortion." Straight out of hell !
Another liar and without integrity loren brown, "the GOP moved further right" loren has not intellectual integrity or job integrity, she is a another soul that has been sold to Satan and his leftist propagandist. She is so far to the left everything is too far right !

Sandra: Your post to IQ29 was EXCELLENT!

Of course, IQ29 isn't exactly "normal" so he'll just blather on and on about it, and the liberals such as doofass are in denial.

One of the best comments... "Cultures that uphold abstinence as the standard to follow end up with fewer divorces and more emotionally adjusted teenagers."

Actually, in addition to cultures that uphold abstinence standards is only part of it... It's also cultures that uphold all moral and ethical standards end up with fewer divorces and a better society for all.

Unfortunately, the liberal, progressive "culture" has NO STANDARDS, NO MORALS, and NO ETHICS to uphold, and as a result, we're in the mess we're in today in this country.



And of course, doofass just makes up more supposed facts about condoms. YOU are absolutely correct about all the STDs they do not prevent from spreading. Just ONE MORE LIE the left promotes.

Retired Geek
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 9:11 PM EST
Shallow Hal Pontificates

Shallow Hal pontificates about any and everything - especially those things he knows NOTHING about..."

as opposed to your inane cutting and pasting over and over?

Did I miss something? Are you supposed to be an expert to post here? This is about society and politics. I am part of both

NEWSFLASH this just in

Michelle Obama has caught Barack having an affair with his Teleprompter. More news at 11:00

R E
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 9:11 PM EST
I'll be honest
with you people who voted for obama may claim religion, but they have no faith, like him they are Godless."

WOW unless you are God what arrogance to claim to know what is in a person's heart.

Carlos
Whoooaaaaa, with that kind of incompetence displayed by democrats can you imagine what they will do with health records?

Obama's inept workers will mix up test results so that people with disease get a clean bill of health while people without disease get treated for a non existent disease. YIKES!

Sandra
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 8:59 PM EST
Hal Donahue
If you are arguing for 'safe sex' then I ask you to read Dr. laura's list of 10 deadly disease's that can be contracted when using a condom..."

Did you see what my wife learned that I posted above? Condoms do prevent disease this is a proven fact. In your black and white world you are missing what I am saying. I am saying that the answer appears to be a mix of approaches to handle this challenge. How do you respond to the fact that Western European teenagers have far more sex and far less pregnancy and disease? A mix seems to be the answer versus all or nothing


Carlos: No doubt! :-)

The poor twit! Did you happen to see above... "IT" claimed to be going to chow, and it just happened to be 9PM Iraqi time! HA HA HA

And, we're still waiting to hear exactly what restaurant at the Parthenon he ate breakfast.


"IT" is entertaining! "IT" gets so confused. LOL



Shallow Hal Pontificates

Shallow Hal pontificates about any and everything - especially those things he knows NOTHING about.

Typical Liberal.

I'll be honest
with you people who voted for obama may claim religion, but they have no faith, like him they are Godless.

Pistol
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 8:53 PM EST
Hal Donahue..."

Fair enough and thank you for the reply

Ranger29
Pregancy is not fatal, after all, most pregnancies are unexpected even among married couples.

What is fatal is the lie that 'condoms offer safe sex'. This fatal lie means that teenagers engage in sex randomly courtesy of federally funded condoms then contract diseases that can not be cured FOR LIFE e.g. hepatitis B.

In studies like the Uganda abstinence study, not all teenagers abstained but the rate of abstinence increased when teenagers were given ALL THE FACTS about what condomns can not do.

The other issue that makes the pro 'safe sex' and abortion argument weak is the emotional/psychological impact of the 'free sex and rock and roll' expriences. Many young men and women are hurt and this hurt extends to poor relationships in marriage/adult relationships increasing the rate of divorce.

Cultures that uphold abstinence as the standard to follow end up with fewer divorces and more emotionally adjusted teenagers. Read about teenage suicide pacts, depression and then learn something about the so called 'safe sex' and abortion rights.

Interestingly, your group opposes the 24hr waiting period and the ultra sound being shown to potential abortion victims. Why? the living child inside the womb might just raise the victims awareness to the level of 'choosing life'. And that is tragic to the abortion industry that earns a whopping 500 million a month (including contraceptions).

SELL YOUR SOUL FOR KILLING THE UNBORN AND LYING ABOUT 'SAFE SEX'........shame shame shame......

And Bristol Palin is not a public figure, it is poor taste to discuss her or her choices.

Sandra
Hi Sandra. Ignore Hal the Doofass. He contains more hot air than a blimp & is a typical obfuscating Liberal. Facts & the Doofass do not mix as you will see & he is about as intellectually stimulating as a pile of doggie dung. The Doofass personifies Liberal ignorance & arrogance at its worst & is a waste of your time. Don't reply to his Liberal tripe.

Anne... 'IT' had to go...

GPS ankle bracelet ringing?

Hal Donahue
If you are arguing for 'safe sex' then I ask you to read Dr. laura's list of 10 deadly disease's that can be contracted when using a condom.

Add to that list, the fact that condom manufacturer's state that condoms are only 75% 'safe'.

Add to that list, the fact that since 'safe sex' was introduced to schools - violent acts against women and minors by adults have increased in the 'anything goes' culture.

At a minimum, you and the proponents of 'safe sex' should use the correct term i.e. STUPID SEX when lying to teenagers that they are 'safe' because they are using condoms that offer a 25% chance of breaking and exposing them to uncurable diseases.

I suppose that is why Obama supports 'free healthcare'. What happens when the feds can't afford to treat more AIDS patients?.......go figure!

Hal Donahue?

doofass: It wouldn't be the same

site you got your "information" that some state (LA or MS or whatever) didn't have a union for the teachers, is it?

'Cause THAT "information" was COMPLETELY WRONG!

OR is this just MORE "information" that you just make up as you go along???

Hal Donahue
There is precedence for your opinion. FDR kept his seat through tough years by blaming Hoover. Many Democratic voters are still influenced. But even when he was at sea, FDR projected competence and confidence. I don't think Dumbo can. And i don't think his base is as solid. I think he is going to be Jimmie Carter II. I have been wrong before, and could be this time. We'll see what Dumbo's approval rating is in another six months. I'm not going to get my shorts in a wad over differing opinions when time will tell, and probably quite soon.

doofass: Exactly from what left wing

lunatic site are you getting that drivel ?


ExRCSD Deputy
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 8:26 PM EST...bluest of blue areas are visual proof of the economic failures of liberalism. Detroit has looked like Berlin in 1945 since 1before 1980. CA is losing businesses and people to NV an AZ. And those are just two examples."

LOL Detroit is a City look at the entire state. CA is challenged right now but has the wealth and physical and social infrastructure to recover once again. NV and AZ are being Californized and will one day be blue, prosperous and educated.

Now I asked about Red States. They have high poverty and low education per census data etc. Why are they not thriving and the wealthiest, best educated states in the Union. I have even heard places like CA and Detroit complaining because so much of their tax dollar is being spent to prop up red states

Sandra: Good to "see" you again! ;-)


"... change a lot from the curriculum that destroys the image of men and revises history and best of all - makes women heros only."

That is just one, but a BIG issue!

"We have modified most of the social studies and history to make it more accurate."

One or two mornings a week on Fox they have a prof. from Conn who has been going over text books... and finding many out and out errors, and BIG errors to boot.

It's unbelievable!


The outcomes of our public school system can be summed up easily - over 50% of the graduates can't name all the 50 states.

And, not only can they not even name all the states, many of them can't even read their diploma!!!


Yes, it is a disgrace, but these liberals don't seem to mind that their kids.. and our kids are being taught INCORRECT information!

And that's not even taking into account the sex-ed that's being taught to 1st graders, and many schools will NOT allow the parents to opt out.


Retired Geek
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 8:23 PM EST
Hal Donahue

Do you take Barack Obama at his word that he is a devout Christian?

Doesn't it bother you, that a devout Christian is the POTUS, or do you think having a devout Christian as POTUS is good for America?"

Not at all even though their track record is not the greatest. I mean Carter was a very devote Christian and probably the second worse president in at least modern time. And then the failed Bush who also claimed to be a devote christian is hands done the worst president.

Retired Geek - thank you!
And americans like you keep this country great! Your posts are always enjoyable to read.

Sandra
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 8:18 PM EST...God will avenge the unborn children and the embroys that will be fertilized for the SOLE purpose of destruction...BABYLON.....had it easy:)"

LMAO

Retired Geek - More Liberal Logic
Including Rick Warren at the inauguration is bad because his views are not inclusive.

Liberals asking Obama to exclude Warren because his views are not inclusive is progressive.



And you've got
an inept, bumbling fool at the head of yours, Doofass, and the Number 2 man is even more so.

Doofass:
Those bluest of blue areas are visual proof of the economic failures of liberalism. Detroit has looked like Berlin in 1945 since 1before 1980. CA is losing businesses and people to NV an AZ. And those are just two examples.

BTw, you could NOT teach a wild bear to sh1t in the woods.

Sandra from CA

I don't think I have ever welcomed you to Town Hall - Welcome!!!

Sandra, I am proud to have you as a fellow American Citizen!!!

Sandra, you are the kind of immigrant that has made this Country great.

Pistol
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 8:14 PM EST
When it comes to money
we're all the same religion. If the current rate of job loss continues for another six months. the Democrats will take a pasting in 2010. If there is no clear turnaround by 2012, Dumbo is toast."

That is exactly what the Republicans said 1932 to 1936. Do you think that the American people are not noticing that you are the do nothing party with a buffoon as your de facto leader? Do you really think the American people are that stupid not to notice?

Hal Donahue

Do you take Barack Obama at his word that he is a devout Christian?

Doesn't it bother you, that a devout Christian is the POTUS, or do you think having a devout Christian as POTUS is good for America?

Anne - I agree!
We decided to work with public school at home. After considering how much I was paying in taxes, I opted for that option.

We have had to change a lot from the curriculum that destroys the image of men and revises history and best of all - makes women heros only.

We have modified most of the social studies and history to make it more accurate. Fortunately, the teacher has accomodated our requests.

The outcomes of our public school system can be summed up easily - over 50% of the graduates can't name all the 50 states.

Now that is a disgrace!

Pistol: I believe the correct term is


BURNT TOAST! :-)



Keeping the faith without hope:)
Christians who voted Obama and knew his position on destroying embroys and unborn are about to live without hope.

As what they sowed catches up with them, they will soon find out that God Alone has hope and that Obama's hope made them faithless as they voted to kill the unborn.

God will avenge the unborn children and the embroys that will be fertilized for the SOLE purpose of destruction.

BABYLON.....had it easy:)

Obama believes Marxist/Socialism

Barack Obama believes Marxist/Socialism will solve all of the economic problems in America.

Marxism/Socialism has been an abject failure everywhere it has been tried.

Barack Obama and his mindless minions, believe the change from Capitalism to Marxist/Socialism will be peaceful and without incident in America.

Over 100,000,000 people have been starved to death and murdered in order to install Marxism/Socialism.

Cam & Repug Fools
Either get a sense of humor or refute the list I compiled. Truth hurts doesn't it. Oh excuse me, I forgot truth & Liberals do not mix. Like oil & water.

Retired Geek
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 8:00 PM EST
Liberal Logic and Reason 7

Teaching morality and ethics will bring evil and cause people to make bad decisions..."

You probably think the 10 commandments should apply to everyone?

When it comes to money
we're all the same religion. If the current rate of job loss continues for another six months. the Democrats will take a pasting in 2010. If there is no clear turnaround by 2012, Dumbo is toast.

ExRCSD Deputy
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 7:47 PM EST...And you are an anti-Southern, antiCatholic, anti-Mormon bigot..."

Oh because of why? I do think the South overall has been a stain and has had a sorry history since our founding. Part of it is the rest of the country allowed you to be that way. Times seem to be changing now though as all the old segregationists die off. The Mormons and Catholics bother me not at all to each their own

"...BTW, I'd say that you have absolutely no clue what it takes to be a professional educator. You'd last about an attosecond in a classroom, unless you were chained to the wall..."

I have actually taught in a classroom but not primary and secondary education. You are correct I suspect - I do not have the skill set to do that well

Hosquatch: You bet! "LIBERALISM IS A

MENTAL DISORDER!"

Which is EXACTLY why I wouldn't have my kids taught in a public school, and my grandchildren are NOT going to public school.

Poor doofass still has his reading comprehension problem (Ugh!) and seems to think that I'm anti-education, when in fact, I NEVER SAID THAT!

WHAT I SAID WAS, I was opposed to public education because it's "moral-less" and "ethical-less" and not what I wanted my children (and grandchildren) exposed to.

Hey, that "MENTAL DISORDER," LIBERALISM ... is that what renders these liberals incapable of reading and comprehending?

It does appear to give them tourette's syndrome though, doesn't it? :-)

No One is Sent to Hell

One has to choose to go there - this is what is called 'Free Will'.

Retired Geek
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 6:56 PM EST
Hal Donahue

You have NO solution, but you know what works and what doesn't.

Shouldn't you have some idea of a solution, before you declare what doesn't work?"

LMAO no actually that is not the case at all. I KNOW abstinence only trying does not work.

"...Why do you think only white Europeans, have any solutions?"

I thought I said Asians also but because what they are doing works. Their teenagers have far more sex and far less pregnancies and STD's than our teenagers. This is a fact not an opinion.


OOPS!
Sorry to leave you out, Hal...

The Source: How-Weird Dean
Dear Ms. Zito,
If you want to know the inspiration behind the bait'n switch mee-too pseudo-christian dimocrat, look no further than How-Weird Dean. While the dems are drinking from the holy vessels, the writing is appearing as we speak:

"Mene Mene, Tekel, Upharsin"

That goes for Republicans, too, who think money comes before morality. Abortion was a rich man's scheme, historically, so he wouldn't have to pay for those little urchins that appeared magically from his winkie. Abortion just made it go away. And early feminists despised abortion for that reason.

Now that feminists have lost all reason, they're conjoined with the sexual ne'er do well-types, particularly the ones who think that libertarianism means never having to face the consequences of one's own excess. That's not a Republican ideal, much less a moral concept.

Maybe if we just did what Margaret Sanger really wanted to do: sterilize, sterilize, sterilize.

Two babies out of wedlock? Wanna keep getting benefits? Line up for the "Procedure." And surely the amoral branch of the Republicans - and perhaps Squeaker Pelosi herself - will line up behind that kind of barbarism.

All you have to do is to ask yourself: where's Charles K. on this one?

And still the handwriting is on the wall, because we still don't get it. And with amoral leaders like these, pretending religion as if God doesn't hear, we'll lose our nation in a day.

Liberal Logic and Reason 7

Teaching morality and ethics will bring evil and cause people to make bad decisions.

BUT

Teaching immorality and lack of ethics will bring Good and cause people to make good decisions.

William in OH
Hey, William, you seem like a principled guy and spiritually grounded. I enjoy your posts.

Unfortunately, I must take this opportunity to chastise you. Do you not know that trying to reason with Daft, IQ29, Zap, and their ilk qualifies as a sin of mental masturba...well, you know what I mean? Save your breath, unless you're just bored and want to play with their minds. Remember: LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!

ExRCSD Deputy
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 7:51 PM EST
Doofass:
No, they don't. You are just whistling in the wind."

Oh as a group yes they do and no matter how often you deny it - it is so.

Primus54
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 6:05 PM EST
Hal "LMAO©" Donahue asks:
"Do you really agree with parents teaching their children fairy tales and untruths?"
-----

You mean such as the "fairy tales" and "untruths" of anthropogenic global warming?

The problem with you, Hal - which has been pointed out ad nauseum - is you believe it is government's role to interject itself into every fabric of our existence..."

To some extent I do. I don't want your healthcare to deteriorate to the point where you spread diseases like cholera or AID's. I don't want you to go bankrupt because then your home will litter my neighborhood. Guess what you are the government if you cannot handle that (I seem to recall not all that long ago you loved government). If you want no government might I suggest you move somewhere where the government is very limited. Nigeria and some other third world nations come to mind. You suck up the assets of government and provide little or nothing back - you are a deadbeat

"...You know nothing of freedom and individual liberty - never have, never will."

Silly little name calling typical. With freedom goes responsibility something conservatives seem to not understand

Liberal Logic and Reason 6

Taking money from those who pay their bills and are making good decisions, is True compassion.

BUT

Not giving money to those who do NOT pay their bills and are making bad decisions is only Fair.

Actually, Repulsive F*ckup,
I don't believe I have ever said what my religious beliefs are. Didn't you ever learn to read for meaning in that private school you went to. And you're still a bigot, no matter how you try to defend your intolerance of others.

religious whackos
dream on if u think the repub. party gives a shiiit about u. lol. they use u for your votes. period. and your too ignorant to see it. what a joke. but keep bashing barack and the liberals. it will make you feel better. and no i don't think he is the messiah. im agnostic. i just think he is intelligent and somewhat rational. Keep on living in your fantasy land. lol

Doofass:
No, they don't. You are just whistling in the wind.

Liberal Logic and Reason 5

Spending money that is borrowed from China, will decrease debt and bring financial prosperity.

BUT

Decreasing Government spending, will increase debt, and bring financial crises.

ExRCSD Deputy
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 6:31 PM EST
Yeah, ....just look at the cities and states led by the Dymsh1tcraps. Many are broke and getting broker."

LOL No economics training? They have a lot of strong assets and their people as a whole are educated and healthy. That is why they have a rough time in recessions or depressions but come back better and stronger and that is why red states as a rule languish

Bingo! That's EXACTLY what happens

when liberals raise children...

Amoral, unethical, completely disrespectful, foul mouth, degenerate, and depraved waste of humanity.

I don't even want to ask how he knows about rapists. No doubt, with that kind of disrespect, he IS one.

FLA, huh? Wonder how close to lives to that little girl whose missing.... Hmmmm?






Doofass:
And you are an anti-Southern, antiCatholic, anti-Mormon bigot.

BTW, I'd say that you have absolutely no clue what it takes to be a professional educator. You'd last about an attosecond in a classroom, unless you were chained to the wall.

Liberal Logic and Reason 4

Expanding the welfare rolls and increasing 'Benefits' will cause those who won't work, to find a job.

BUT

Decreasing the welfare rolls and setting 'Time Limits' to draw welfare, will cause those who will NOT work, to NOT look for a job.

Liberal Logic and Reason 3

Raising taxes will reward the taxpayers.

BUT

Lowering Taxes will punish the taxpayers.

Mod Mark
"..: Mar 15, 2009 - 6:27 PM EST
Hal
"....Yep, kid got a F and of course, this guy blamed it on the public schools.

Sometime it best to let the professional handle some jobs."

This is just my point these folks are no different at all from the flat earthers and those who said that the earth was the center of the universe. Reality is slowly seeping in. Just look at the strident. shrill posts from Anne. They are absolutely anti professional and anti education

Liberal Logic and Reason 2

Liberals say that unfettered Abortion will reduce Abortions.

BUT

Explaining the dangers of Abortion, both physically and emotionally, will cause Abortions to rise.

Liberal Logic and Reason

Barack Obama speaking fear and mentioning crises almost thirty times in one speech, will quell fears and help the American Citizen to be at peace.

BUT

The words of Jesus Christ will cause fear and cause the American Citizen to have NO peace.

“Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.“
Philippians 4:6-7 (NIV)

Do I have Liberal Logic and Reason straight?


Repulsive f*ckup:
Too bad you didn;t learn anything about respecting your parents, or the breliefs of others. Seems you are just another bigoted lib.

Anne Old Tom and Retired Geek
seriously you guys are like dinosaurs. you will be extinct soon. get your head out of the clouds liberalism is the future. ask your kids and grandkids you twits.

Libstomper well u r a moron. enough said

Shame? Huh! Wonder what public school

he went to???

And what kind of loser parents he had????


Hal Donahue

You have NO solution, but you know what works and what doesn't.

Shouldn't you have some idea of a solution, before you declare what doesn't work?

Why do you think only white Europeans, have any solutions?

Why NOT study solutions in Africa, Haiti or South America?

LIBSTOMPER: I'm afraid you NAILED IT!

:-)

Liberals are Ethical Nihilists

What is Ethical Nihilism?

Ethical Nihilism denies moral principles and ethical values.

Human beings are not seen as responsible for what they do, therefore, each individual makes up the difference between good and evil.

Since the nihilist denies possessing free will, the ethical nihilist can neither be praised nor blamed for his good or evil behavior.

A case in point is Homosexuality, the Liberal belief is that the Homosexual has no free will - that they are pre-destined by geneticas and body chemistry, to live a life of deviancy, many times ending in depression and suicide.

In short, facts, logic and reason cannot be trusted to determine the truth of right or wrong.

Ethical Nihilism chooses to ignore that moral principles, are inescapable.

Yet even the most basic ideas about good and evil are present in every society, since time immemorial.

C.S. Lewis remarked, “cultures may disagree about whether a man may have one wife or four, but all of them know about marriage; they may disagree about which actions are most courageous, but none of them rank cowardice as a virtue.”

Ethical Nihilism prefers to deny intrinsic principles and values which are imprinted upon every heart and mind (Romans 2:14-15).

Sorry doofass: Did you intentionally

miss the point?

ABSTINENCE EDUCATION DOES WORK WHEN ACTUALLY TAUGHT ALONG WITH A SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG, GOOD AND EVIL, MORALS, ETHICHS, AND SELF RESPECT!


It does NOT work when you remove those things... the VERY THINGS that you liberals are insisting NOT be taught in school.

Hal Donahue

One thing we know for certain, Sex education in schools doesn't work.

William_OH: Excellent post! Well said!

A "moral-less" and "ethical-less" society is exactly what the liberals are advocating.

doofass and I had just that discussion... well, it wasn't actually a discussion when doofass is involved... the other day.

It was the 60s, LIBERAL, PROGRESSIVE, Godless, anti-war, immoral, unethical, sex and drug hippies who were the beginning of the downfall of anything good and respectful in this country....

And before doofass gets all up tight, it was NOT the establishment of the 60s, but those very anti-war, immoral, Godless, unethical, sex and drug group who are the liberal establishment of today.


Ten Things More Useful Than A Liberal
1. Crab Grass - Keeps landscaping businesses in
business. Liberals put
companies out of business.
2. Mosquitoes - They bite Liberals too don't
they?
3. Dog Sh!t - Yet another form of fertilizer.
Ask the Doofass about this. He's
an expert on sh!t.
4. Waterboarding - Makes the Islamo-Nazi creeps
spill their guts doesn't it.
5. Ants - Hardest working creature on God's
green Earth. Try finding a Liberal
who works harder.
6. Wile E. Coyote - He'll never catch the road-
runner & he'll take tons of
physical abuse while trying.
But he'll never ask the U.S.
government for a handout
when he fails.
7. A Watch With A Dead Battery - It'll be right at least two times a day. Liberals are ALWAYS wrong.
8. The Death Penalty - Has anyone seen a repeat offender after the death penalty has been carried out? Liberals are repeat offenders on a daily basis.
9. A Mother Hen - A mother hen will give up her own life to save her child. A Liberal would try to convince the hen she should have had an abortion.
10. A Pick-Pocket - A pick-pocket will steal your money when you are not paying attention. A Liberal will not only steal your money, he'll announce to you he's going to steal it before he actually does it.















The Death Cult
After reading all of these posts from you BHO apologists, I can only conclude that you worship at the alter of death. Your animosity toward all who defend the life of children clearly defines your religion. The abortion industry is a major contributor to your evil party and your evil leader has pandered to them. BHO does not know when life begins, however he plays god (little "g" on purpose) and decides when it will end. My words here today will pass away as surely as the words you death worshippers write, no matter how clever you think they are. But the Word of God will stand forever while you spend your eternity in heaven or hell. "I have placed life and death before you, blessing and curse; therefore choose life"

Hal Donahue just curious

What is your solution?

Retired Geek
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 6:03 PM EST
Hal Donahue just curious

What is your solution?"

I am not certain. I would definitely look at what Western Europe and Asia are doing. But whoever said above the kids want kids it is cool, is correct for a number of reasons. From parental supervision to if you are isolated up a dirt road in MS or stranded in the bad parts of a major city, it simply may be the best reproductive strategy - you are in the best health now than you are ever likely to be again. All that has to be changed. How? That is what we all need to find out. One thing we do no for certain is abstinence training does not work.

Yeah, Doofass
just look at the cities and states led by the Dymsh1tcraps. Many are broke and getting broker.

Hal
"Do you really agree with parents teaching their children fairy tales and untruths?"

A conservative told a story here at TH on how he help his kid wrote a report.

The topic was acid rain and of course he took the position it was all a hoax. He directed his kid to some conspiracy web sites and turn in a reported title "Acid rain, a hoax".

Yep, kid got a F and of course, this guy blamed it on the public schools.

Sometime it best to let the professional handle some jobs.


doofass: MORE LIBERAL LIES! "women

would be forced into back alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, school-children could not be taught about evolution,..."


Right, just like Justice Thomas was guilty of what liberal Anita Hill accused him of. NOT EVEN CLOSE!



William_OH: Thank you. Well timed and very appropriate quote.

"For the liberal, truth is irrelevant. Having rejected God, there is no longer any basis for truth. There is only the furtherance of an agenda. And that agenda is to make sure that God and His ways are rejected and insulted in this nation."

The Tempting of America
Hal just proved my point. He saw absolutely nothing wrong with Edward Kennedy's libelous attack against Robert Bork. He did see something wrong with Ann Coulter's using it as an example of liberal tactics. Open your eyes Hal and perhaps your heart. Let the truth in. Take the blinders off.

The current attack against Rush Limbaugh is simply another dishonest liberal tactic. He probably sees nothing wrong with that either. If a dishonest attack furthers the liberal agenda, that makes it an honest attack. If an honest reply hinders the liberal agenda, that makes it dishonest. I think that's the rules for liberals. That's my understanding of Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals. The end justifies the means.

I'm also currently reading 'The Tempting of America - The Political Seduction of the Law' by Robert H. Bork. It's obvious from reading the book that he was a principled, intelligent, judge. His only fault was that he didn't believe that the Constitution should be twisted to fit a particular political agenda - liberal or conservative. He believed the Constitution should mean what it was written to mean, nothing more, nothing less.

That didn't fit the liberal agenda, which was that if you couldn't get your agenda passed through a legislature, you had to have judges who would legislate from the bench. Forget the Constitution. It means only what a liberal judge says it means, in accordance with the liberal agenda.

Robert Bork believed that the law applied to judges just as much as it did to common citizens. He didn't believe that judges were above the law. He didn't believe that judges should create law. For that he had to be libeled and destroyed.


Anne
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 6:13 PM EST...: Ugh! You're so trite!

Red states? Sorry... NOT true, and NOT the general rule!"

Check the census data or any other reputable source. All conservatism does is seem to guarantee poverty and ignorance

Retired Geek
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 6:00 PM EST
Government Schools Don't Work

Government Schools Don't Work in Sex education or anything else."

Actually they do it depends where. My kids went to Fairfax County VA schools which did a decent job back then.

"...Sex education in Government schools, is working worse than the 'War on Poverty'..."

Again it depends where. I lived outside Denver and seven kids in a huge HS turning up pregnant was a major deal. I lived in a place where 20+ kids in a medium sized HS turning up pregnant was not commented because the year before the stopped for religious reasons the school nurse from handing out condoms for free and no accountability.

"..One thing is certain, spreading STD's by abstinence is NOT a big problem..."

My wife is an STD counselor and last year she came back from a meeting saying that the bible belt was having a major out break of std's and problems related to anal and oral sex because of the virginity promises thing.

"...Fighting raging teenage hormones, with ANY KIND of education is a fools quest at best..."

again I ask you are our kids dumber than European kids?

doofass: Ugh! You're so trite!

Red states? Sorry... NOT true, and NOT the general rule!

Again, something you just made up!


"Your dumb abstinence only faith based sex ed is a loser and had been repeatedly shown to be a loser yet you still keep trying to impregnate out teenagers."


Of ALL the dumb, ignorant, ill informed and uninformed comments you've posted over the years, that is without question, one of THE dumbest.

You just prove, time and time and time again, now truly intellectually and morally limited you are.

Actually, the "abstinence only faith based sex ed" has NOT been a loser, because for the MOST PART, it's the slutty little liberal tarts... who are usually influenced by your liberal agenda schools, who your talking about.

The "Abstinence Only" groups are growing, and they're NOT the girls who are getting pregnant, or the guys who are impregnating girls.

Unfortunately, doofass, you're not very bright, and have no morals or ethics, and zero self respect, and obviously YOU can't quite grasp that others DO and want that for their children.

Don't you ever wonder why MORE AND MORE AND MORE parents are REMOVING their children from public school?

They don't want YOUR lack of morals and ethics taught to their children by immoral and unethical people who believe as YOU DO!

Like that judge who ordered the mother to send her children to public school... NONE of his business...


Hal "LMAO©" Donahue asks:
"Do you really agree with parents teaching their children fairy tales and untruths?"
-----

You mean such as the "fairy tales" and "untruths" of anthropogenic global warming?

The problem with you, Hal - which has been pointed out ad nauseum - is you believe it is government's role to interject itself into every fabric of our existence.

That is not "freedom" - it is dependence on a nanny state.

You know nothing of freedom and individual liberty - never have, never will.

Hal Donahue just curious

What is your solution?

Government Schools Don't Work

Government Schools Don't Work in Sex education or anything else.

Sex education in Government schools, is working worse than the 'War on Poverty'.

One thing is certain, spreading STD's by abstinence is NOT a big problem.

Fighting raging teenage hormones, with ANY KIND of education is a fools quest at best.


William
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 5:51 PM EST
Slander is the Agenda...Senator Teddy Kennedy said this about a respected federal judge on the Senate floor:

Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, school-children could not be taught about evolution,..."..."

What is untrue here? What do you take exception with? The lunch counters perhaps? This is the core of the states rights issue you push. But the hate comment is sooo very typical Ann - accuse others of being what you are LOL

Primus54
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 5:06 PM EST
Hal "LMAO©" Donahue opines:
"I just wager liberal women have far fewer "mistakes" as you call them."
-----

Another shining example of old Hal interjecting his "hopes" as "fact" without providing a shred of empirical evidence - only anecdotal opinion."

That was why I used the word wager. I mean my wife has had to deal with children as young as 11 year, who had no clue how they got that way. This is criminal

------------------
"Education is prevention and it leads to freedom. That is why you people oppose so much of it"

-----

Nope, Hal. We just oppose schools run by liberals interjecting themselves into the roles rightly reserved to parents - and the liberal indoctrination perpetuated by the teachers' unions that "you people" blindly support...."

Oh no that is not an answer. Do you really agree with parents teaching their children fairy tales and untruths? I mean get a grip; look what just on here folks claim just in regard to evolution and US history not a fact among them



Slander is the Agenda
After reading some of the liberal comments on this column I couldn't resist responding one more time.

I'm currently reading Ann Coulter's 'Slander'. I'm still in the first chapter and she wrote it in 2002. But, I've already been amazed more than once the accuracy of her characterization of liberals, their tactics, their manipulations, and their hateful attacks. They project their own immorality and hate onto those who would stand for righteousness within this nation.

Like Ann writes: "By contrast, hate is the coin of the realm for liberals at all levels of status, power, objectivity, and cache. There is no difference between the fanatical ravings of a foaming-at-the-mouth James Carville and the utterances of a United States senator. Champion desecrator of life Senator Teddy Kennedy said this about a respected federal judge on the Senate floor:

Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, school-children could not be taught about evolution,..."

or even just some of the ignorant rantings of Hal, Taft, and Ranger today as they bring phony arguments and accuse the others of being dishonest and liars. It's hard to believe that even they believe what they are writing.

For the liberal, truth is irrelevant. Having rejected God, there is no longer any basis for truth. There is only the furtherance of an agenda. And that agenda is to make sure that God and His ways are rejected and insulted in this nation.

tkdblk/Anne/retired geek
Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 4:48 PM EST

"...Hmmm teenagers in Europe have far more sex and have it earlier than in the US but have far fewer pregnancies and abortions per capita. WOW how did this happen do you think?"

Answer please"

This is another question like why, if conservatism works so well, are the red states the states with the highest poverty and lowest educational levels as a general rule?

Your dumb abstinence only faith based sex ed is a loser and had been repeatedly shown to be a loser yet you still keep trying to impregnate out teenagers. Amazing!

Obama voters
put their faith in government- period. They are people of faith, its just that what their faith is in is deadly.

Going to church or even being a pastor doesn't make that person a Christian anymore than going to McDonald's or working there makes someone a hamburger.

What a Liberals Mind is like

The mind of a Liberal is like the pupil of the eye.

The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.

-------------------------------
paraphrased from a quote of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

Primus: Actually, I suspect that what

doofass considers "Education" is actually what the slutty little broads learn and learn well, and practice.

And the "freedom" part is "freedom" to be without morals and ethics and self respect.


Primus: Actually, I suspect that what

doofass considers "Education" is actually what the slutty little broads learn and learn well, and practice.

And the "freedom" part is "freedom" to be without morals and ethics and self respect.


THIS is what doofass aims for...

Govt control over everything, including our children.


"Mom will fight judge's order against homeschooling. 'I couldn't believe how he overlooked all the facts to legislate from the bench'"

"A North Carolina homeschooling mother, ordered to stop teaching her children at home and send them to public school, said she will appeal the judge's ruling.

"'I couldn't believe how he overlooked all the facts to legislate from the bench,' said Venessa Mills of Wake County District Court Judge Ned Mangum's ruling that it would be in the 'best interests" of her three children, ages 12, 11 and 10, to be placed in public school, even though two are learning at two grades above grade level while the third is at grade level.'

"As WND reported, the judge's action came in the divorce proceeding between Mills and her husband, Thomas.

"At a court hearing last week, Mangum conceded the children are 'thriving' under Mills' instruction but said they need to be exposed to the 'real world.'

"'It will do them a great benefit to be in the public schools, and they will challenge some of the ideas that you've taught them, and they could learn from that and make them stronger,' the judge said."


I have no idea who this Judge Mangum thinks he is, but he really needs to be removed from the bench!!!


Sex Education Working in Wash DC

HIV/AIDS Rate in D.C. Hits 3%
Considered a 'Severe' Epidemic, Every Mode of Transmission Is Increasing, City Study Finds

By Jose Antonio Vargas and Darryl Fears
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, March 15, 2009; A01

At least 3 percent of District residents have HIV or AIDS, a total that far surpasses the 1 percent threshold that constitutes a "generalized and severe" epidemic, according to a report scheduled to be released by health officials tomorrow.

That translates into 2,984 residents per every 100,000 over the age of 12 -- or 15,120 -- according to the 2008 epidemiology report by the District's HIV/AIDS office.

"Our rates are higher than West Africa," said Shannon L. Hader, director of the District's HIV/AIDS Administration, who once led the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's work in Zimbabwe. "They're on par with Uganda and some parts of Kenya."

Hal "LMAO©" Donahue opines:
"I just wager liberal women have far fewer "mistakes" as you call them."
-----

Another shining example of old Hal interjecting his "hopes" as "fact" without providing a shred of empirical evidence - only anecdotal opinion.

------------------
"Education is prevention and it leads to freedom. That is why you people oppose so much of it"

-----

Nope, Hal. We just oppose schools run by liberals interjecting themselves into the roles rightly reserved to parents - and the liberal indoctrination perpetuated by the teachers' unions that "you people" blindly support.

Useful idiots all...

tkdblk: Please do NOT get caught up

in Donahue's (aka doofass) empty, meaningless, straw questions.

It is impossible to have a "debate" or "discussion" with him because in his addled mind, everything is the fault of the Conservatives.

I've been through EVERY single point with him, countless times, and he's just INCAPABLE of comprehending anything.

He's full of "non-answers" and will either divert the point or leave until he thinks everyone has forgotten that he's been cornered.

Somehow in doofass' "logic" he thinks we should not waterboard terrorists to get information that might (and HAS) saved innocent lives, but has no problem with premeditated, cold blooded murder; abortion of the most innocent and defenseless of all!


I know... beyond all logic.

Retired Geek
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 4:55 PM EST
Real Reason Liberals Attacking Bristol

Liberals are attacking Bristol Palin because she had the 'Audacity' to have the baby instead of Aborting the baby...Liberal women bury their mistakes in a garbage bin."

I just wager liberal women have far fewer "mistakes" as you call them. Education is prevention and it leads to freedom. That is why you people oppose so much of it

Real Reason Liberals Attacking Bristol

Liberals are attacking Bristol Palin because she had the 'Audacity' to have the baby instead of Aborting the baby.

Only Conservatives can have a 'Moral Lapse', because Liberals have 'No Morals'.

Bristol Palin made a mistake, but took responsibility for that mistake (Liberals do NOT understand responsibility).

All humans make mistakes only a few face the responsibility of their mistakes.

Liberal women bury their mistakes in a garbage bin.

Steve
I don't know, Buffett sure seems to like Obama.


"Warren Buffett gave an interview on CNBC this morning, declaring that the U.S. economy has "fallen off a cliff."

One solution he offered: for Republicans to fall in line. "I think that the Republicans have an obligation to regard this as an economic war and to realize need * ONE* leader and in general support of that," Buffett said. The tradeoff: Obama and his party should not use the crisis to "roll" the Republicans and pass contentious measures." 3/9/09

tkdblk
"...Some of my students do not see their parents for 36-48 hours at a time. Parents to busy with their own lives. Believe me, it's true..."

I do believe you and conservatives caused the economic conditions that caused this

"...Education is a two way street. The student must want to learn, and the parents are not reinforcing that idea. I agree about military, flying, etc. There are consequences for actions there."

Children are consequences LOL

"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 3:42 PM EST
Birth control = few abortions! You wish!
"teach everyone to use as much birth control as possible and the abortion rate will drop to nearly zero."

Hmmm teenagers in Europe have far more sex and have it earlier than in the US but have far fewer pregnancies and abortions per capita. WOW how did this happen do you think?"

Answer please

tkdblk
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 4:13 PM EST
Birth control etc
"This can be taught can it not." How can teachers fix in 9 months of school what the parents have not done in 15 years? They have abdicated their responsibilities to the "village." Anytime you take away individual responsibility in favor of group responsibility , things go badly."

Our children and teachers are not as good smart as European kids? Could it be the parents work two jobs to feed and house their children and have lost touch with them. This happened under conservatives. Time to restore wages and families

""nice girls" don't have birth control at hand" Then don't have sex. When I was younger, birth control was MUCH less available, and we understood the consequences. Yes, even in the "old days"! Yes, there were pregnancies, but it was not nearly as common."

Do you know? Every service station and drug store had condoms when I was growing up. And well off girls had D&C's for "irregular periods"; poor girls had babies, middle class girls had back ally abortions "quiet babies" or forced to marry.


More on gullible people
to Ranger29 who said:

>I am always amazed that people attended Jerry Falwell's church...or went to Bob Jones University (or to Falwells Liberty Baptist College)<

I don't know much about those churches and cults, but I don't recall Jerry Falwell publicly insulting his own congregation when speaking to other groups like Obama has done.
Then again there are a lot of gullible people in the world, even some who are highly educated. Obama even bamboozled people like Warren Buffet who should have known better than to believe Obama's brand of vodoo economics.

Poor Jr.: Do you have any idea just

how many people have said that about Christianity over the past 2000 years?

They were all wrong, just like you!


And do you know how many people have said the same thing about the Republicans and Conservatives over the years?


And they were all wrong, just like you!


Sorry, buck-o, you don't have much going for you and your side now do you?

No... you... do... not! :-(






tkdblk: These intellectually limited

liberals behave as thought Bristol Palin is the only teenager who ever got pregnant out of wedlock.

And of course, they have no clue what absolute fools they make of themselves.

It's kind of like an atheist using Scripture to prove his case for no God.

I wonder how many of them will bother to watch John Ziegler's, "Media Malpractice" and face themselves and the MSM.




Birth control etc
"This can be taught can it not." How can teachers fix in 9 months of school what the parents have not done in 15 years? They have abdicated their responsibilities to the "village." Anytime you take away individual responsibility in favor of group responsibility , things go badly.

""nice girls" don't have birth control at hand" Then don't have sex. When I was younger, birth control was MUCH less available, and we understood the consequences. Yes, even in the "old days"! Yes, there were pregnancies, but it was not nearly as common.

Why has the problem of girls thinking of babies as dolls not been addressed? Same answer, parents are not involved with their kids. Some of my students do not see their parents for 36-48 hours at a time. Parents to busy with their own lives. Believe me, it's true.

Education is a two way street. The student must want to learn, and the parents are not reinforcing that idea. I agree about military, flying, etc. There are consequences for actions there.

Birth control
"how do you explain Bristol Palin?"

They did not use birth control like so many teenagers do not, even if they know about it, and 99% of them do know about it.

She and her family are taking responsibility for it, unlike so many.

tkdblk
"Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 3:42 PM EST
Birth control = few abortions! You wish!
"teach everyone to use as much birth control as possible and the abortion rate will drop to nearly zero."

Hmmm teenagers in Europe have far more sex and have it earlier than in the US but have far fewer pregnancies and abortions per capita. WOW how did this happen do you think?

"I am a high school teacher. They have been taught birth control since the first day of school in many cases.,,"

Can they get it anywhere without ID?

"...They make the choice not to use it in most cases. They just don't have the life experience to make the connection between their behavior and the consequences..."

This can be taught can it not. From what I have seen birth control is too hard to get and "nice girls" don't have birth control at hand

"... You have to think about something in order to make a choice! That just does not happen much at that age..."

then you are in the wrong job

"..Many girls think of having a baby as like having a doll. Many of the "fathers" think that being a sperm donor is "cool."

This is a problem why has it not been addressed?

"...We make a big mistake when we think that if you just "educate" someone that they will make a better choice than before they were "educated." That is a very dangerous assumption to make!"

WOW in the flying business and the military business we do it every day as do you in the driving business. Reading this again it really does seem you are in the wrong profession. What do you teach?

Retired Geek, Spanking what?
I could have swore I saw on the IQ 29 Resume an entry for:

Commander of the court eunuchs.

Birth control = few abortions! You wish!
"teach everyone to use as much birth control as possible and the abortion rate will drop to nearly zero."

Whoever thinks that has not been around modern high school students on a daily basis.

I am a high school teacher. They have been taught birth control since the first day of school in many cases.

They make the choice not to use it in most cases. They just don't have the life experience to make the connection between their behavior and the consequences.

Well, "make the choice" is really not the right way of putting it. You have to think about something in order to make a choice! That just does not happen much at that age.

Many girls think of having a baby as like having a doll. Many of the "fathers" think that being a sperm donor is "cool."

We make a big mistake when we think that if you just "educate" someone that they will make a better choice than before they were "educated." That is a very dangerous assumption to make!

Ranger29 can Walk on Water

Someone said IQ29 was ride the 'Little' boat ride in front of Wal-Mart, when it started raining.

Someone said that, IQ29 fell out of the 'Little' boat ride into a puddle of water.

Someone said IQ29 started crying uncontrollably and was screaming I am drowning, I am drowning, someone help me I am drowning.

Someone said that, Three little Girl Scouts helped the sobbing IQ29 to hes feet in the middle of the puddle of water.

Someone said, IQ29 looked down at the puddle of water and his feet - then IQ29 started screaming "I can walk on water, just like Messiah-Obama, its a miracle, a miracle I tell you."

Someone said, it took almost an hour after the men 'With Nets' arrived for them to catch IQ20.

Quite a list of broken promises!

And just two months.

Broken promises:
No. 1: 'Sunlight Before Signing'
No. 2: Capital gains tax elimination
No. 3: New American jobs tax credit
No. 4: Hiatus on 401(k) penalties
No. 5: 'No jobs for lobbyists'
No. 6: Earmark reform
No. 7: Bring troops home in 16 months
No. 8: Sign 'Freedom of Choice Act'
No. 9: $4,000 college credit
No. 10: Transparency


A week or so ago we were in SUCH a crisis, he used the word "crisis" 26 times in one speech.

Now, all of a sudden, things are "better."


No doubt, Bozo believes that those intellectually limited liberals he pandered to, and who voted for him, still believe whatever he says!

LOL


Ranger29 Arrested for 'Monkey Spanking'

IQ29, arrested for spanking his 'Monkey' in public, at a local Wal-Mart.

Someone said that IQ29, was dressed in a 'Tin Foil Hat', replete with a lavender 'T' shirt, six inch wide orange suspenders and yellow and green polka dot mens shorts.

Someone said that IQ29, was dancing in a circle which was a cross between an Irish jig and a 'Moon Dance'.

IQ29 had a 'Monkey' helping him - dressed exactly like he was - every so often IQ29 would scream at the Monkey 'More Cow Bell, I need more Cow Bell' and the poor little Monkey would pick up a cow bell and beat on it with a hammer.

If the monkey did NOT respond quickly with more 'Cow Bell', IQ29 would spank his monkey.

Someone said, IQ29 was arrested for 'Spanking his Monkey' in public.

Faithful Flock to False Messiah
So the so called "faithful" all rush to the false messiah. So much for their faith.

How can people be so gullible?
It is absolutely amazing how some people can be so gullible as to actually believe the man who accused small town residents of clinging to guns and religion out of bitterness, whose own church was run by a vicious hate-mongering bigot which he seems to have attended mostly as a ploy to make himself more politically palatable, and who said he didn't want to punish a woman with a baby would be a friend of those who practice religion.

Barack Obama states Jesus is Wrong

"I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me." Jesus Christ

"I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place." Barack Obama
--------------------------------------------

Barack Obama's theological position is that Jesus Christ was wrong about being the 'Only Way' to God, but Obama still puts his faith and trust in Jesus Christ.

Barack Obama believes he is correct and Jesus Christ is wrong.

NEWSFLASH this just in

There really is a picture of IQ29 on the internet with his (reportedly) new wife.

The caption on the photo is "The Three Boobs".

Anne

I never see what joy one gets in demeaning someone. Oh well.

Awe daft: How condescending...err sweet

of you.

But, I'd be willing to bet that in real life you're just about as intellectually limited as we see right here on TH.




Melvin the Moron
ahhh Mr. Melvin.....your kind of traitor is precisely the kind of boyz those of us who have shed blood for our country would LOVE to bump into on a mountain trail out here on the Penninsula...plus...the TRUTH wasn't "inevented" and it isnn't "thousands of years ago"...it is ETERNAL!!! and even if your Satanic Savior scores short term gains you and your minions will lose the ultimate prize...and you dont have America yet you commie fool

Serving God and Mammon?
You can't serve God and mammon at the same time. Many of my friends voted for financial gain (jokes' on them) and laid aside such Godly principles as the sanctity of human life. We will all have to answer to God for what we do and how we vote.

Cactushead
Your sound bitter. I'd be willing to bet in real life your not a bad person.

God, I suspect, has...
...mostly abandon the United States. Else why would its people vote a pagan into its highest leadership office.

Things will only get worse in America for the average guy. Obama's feminist (man bad, woman good) legislation will come down harder than now. More police, more courts, more government.

America gets the history is deserves.

New Age Religion.
The country was in need of a “NEW AGE” religion not one that was invented thousands of years ago. The new president has the spiritual experience to teach us new ways to love our neighbor. There has been an absence of sharing and caring and it has to be learned with the help of government programs that will bring us together rather than divide us. It is a new age and a time for rejoicing.

WELL LETS HOPE GODS HELP IS ON ITS WAY
WHEN YOU PUT FAITH HOPE AND HONESTY INTO YOUR VOTING AND WANT CHANGE ITS LIKE WHAT KIND OF CHANGE. WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS THE MAN OBAMA LIED AND NEVER KEPT HIS WORD. HE GAVE HIS WORD ON MANY THINGS AND HASNT KEPT ONE...HE LIES LIES LIES LIES ITS LIKE WE HAVE A REINCARNATED AL CAPONE AND HIS THUGS IN THE WHITE HOUSE RUINING THE USA WITH THE DEM CONGRESS SPEND SPEND AND EARMARKS AND LIES LIES LIES...GOD HELP US IF YOU DO PRAY PRAY FOR HELP THIS GUY WILL GET US ALL NUKED AT THIS RATE HIS POLICIES ARE DESTRUCTABLE..HES INEXPERIENCED OVER HIS HEAD AND NOT HONEST FOR SURE
US ARMY RETIRED HARD

Gnash your teeth.
Obama, is not a Christian..
Not my standards..God's..You shall KNOW them by their fruits..
If, Obama were like those that voted for him, he could come to repentance , be converted and be saved...Thus, he might even save America..

BUT..
Because he is arrogant..not Humble and Un-repentant..He is the Devil's Servant..and tends to the Devil's Business..

One CANNOT be "Liberal" and be a Christian...

WAIT FOR IT ..WAIT FOR IT..

One CANNOT be a Conservative and be a Christian..

Jesus was not about politics...He was about His Father's Business... Conversion... Not "Party"

One CAN be CONVERTED and be a Christian..

IF...BIG IF, You are a Christian...THEN, Being an American is easy...otherwise you are

REALLY LOST..as can be our Country..

God gives wisdom to the Foolish and Confounds the "wise"

Anyone who calls themself...
...a "person of faith" who voted for O-Bama-Lama-Ding-Dong is a liar.

Oh my gosh!
I didn't realize there was still such a thing as "values voters"! (it's like I'm in a time warp!)

I thought values voters went the way of "I Like Ike" buttons, Hillary for President bumper stickers and Ronald Reagan hair-dye jokes.

There is a huge way......
that the new prez is turning off conservatives and Christians, and that is his pulling farther away from Israel. Israel is the only other real democratic republic in the world. Israel is our strongest ally. The new prez, I understand, is doing this so that he will be able to make inroads into diplomatic ties with the Muslims in the Mideast. Or is it because he and his "57 states" of Muslim don't like Israel?

The new prez did not win in a landslide. The final vote tally was 53% v. 46%. Many conservatives stayed home from the polls because of the Presidential candidate, McCain. In my county, 5,000 fewer Republican-leaning voters stayed home because of McCain at the top of the ticket. 5,000 more votes would have given Indiana to the Republicans.

The foundation and principles and factual means of governing continues to be the strength of the conservatives. Principles and facts do not change.....they are foundational. After this flight of fancy with the new prez, the majority of Christians will be hungering for solid food, not the milk of infants that the new prez is requiring.

Wait, IQ29 says he'll be back from

evening chow !

What a twit! In Iraq, it's NOW Sun 9:07PM

Oh wait, IQ29 is still confused from the electoshock therapy... He's still pretending to be in Iraq.... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Obama's 'christian' voters
'Christian conservative' Obama voters have blood on their hands as He promotes and subsidizes abortion. Speaking of a holocaust, it can be argued that the good German people had more reason to accept the extermination of 6 million Jews as a price for fixing their economy than Obama's 'Christians' have by enabling His party's agenda of 35 million dead babies as a price for improving ours. God loves your priorities.

Geeze, I've never even read of anyone

who actually "enjoyed" having electroshock therapy!


Okay doofass: What do YOU think the

Founding Fathers meant???

What do you think John Adams meant by…
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."




(Ha ha ha, let's see if doofass dares answer this? LOL)

doofass: I'm sure IQ29's care taker

will run right out to buy it! :-)


re: #64
"But we can already see that these lefties hate their kids that much they they condemn them to a very dim future after their messiah burdens them with huge costs that come from enabling failure"

Those kids that they ALLOW TO LIVE.


daft the dimwit
this cretin is the very last to complain about others not getting it.

We already know he leads a failed life as the best he can do is live his life as a subsitute teacher where he engages in indoctirnation not teaching knowledge.

This fool is so entranced with the messiah he can't think straight. He fully believes the misguided and clueless messiah is the answer to everything.

Too bad daft can't understand the growing deficits hurts the future of those too young or not yet born who will be paying the costs of daft getting his extra $13 for selling his vote to flap ears.

But we can already see that these lefties hate their kids that much they they condemn them to a very dim future after their messiah burdens them with huge costs that come from enabling failure

But why would daft care, he hates those who earn and believes they should be punished to give the losers what they are too stupid and too lazy to earn on their own

Obama
The SOYLENT GREEN President.
Grind up the weak for the benefit of the strong.

Powell is a lefty - always has been
Stormin Norman was the real leader in DS/DS

as for this farce of "christians and the Obamunists" Obama has never been a christian - this is clearly evident through his ACTIONS, his ASSOCIATIONS and his POLITICS.

FACT - you cannot be a Marxist (read modern era Democrat) and a Christian at the same time. Christianity has at its FUNDAMENTAL CORE idividual liberty and personal freedom. You cannot become a Christian without those realities. Christian salvation REQUIRES individual liberty because it requires a personally cognitive individual choice to receive Christ. Marxism is the complete antithesis of this. Marxism requires the submission of the individual to the state and the abdication of personal resposibility and liberty in favor of the collective. Obama is the dream of the collective personified. His actions all speak to that. He is the embodiment of the will of Satan. Not Satan himself but the doer of his will and his chosen works. Read the writing on the wall folks.....backsliden indeed those who submitted to Satan's will in November. Ye shall reap what ye hast sown.

daft: YOU weren't aware that this was

NOT Petraeus' call???

Gen. Petraeus: No Iraq-style surge in Afghanistan


"EAST HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — The commander of the U.S. Central Command said Friday that an Iraq-style surge cannot be a solution to the problems in Afghanistan.

"Gen. David Petraeus, speaking before about 800 people at an event sponsored by the World Affairs Council, acknowledged that the situation in Afghanistan has been spiraling downward and is likely to get worse before it gets better.

"In a speech that also touched on issues ranging from the nuclear threat in Iraq to pirates off Somalia, Petraeus said more resources are needed in Afghanistan, both military and especially civil to help build a stable government there."



BUT, it was Bozo's call to send these 17,000 troops to Afghanistan before a plan and strategy was in place!

:-)


Gee IQ29: Did I say what he told us was

part of his "security briefin