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Sunday, February 22, 2009
Salena Zito :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama's Dogma?
by Salena Zito
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The lack of debate over and the speedy passage of the Obama stimulus package have put clashing political dogmas at the forefront of the American conversation.

Central to that conversation is which party has the better solution for the economy.

Clearly, the president considers this a crisis. You need look no further than his speech last Wednesday, in which he used the word "crisis" more than 25 times -- sometimes three times in one sentence. Had you been playing a "crisis" word-drinking game, you would have temporarily lost all brain function by the end of the 18-or-so-minute speech.

The Republicans claim the stimulus package contains too much spending and not enough stimulus. All the Democrats have to say (whether accurate or not) is, "Your failed policies put the country here," and they win the conversation.

The problem is that both parties spend most of their time debating what academics call "false dichotomies," which in the real world means they hold views that appear to be opposite from one another but are not.

Sometimes both are wrong; sometimes both are right. Yet most voters feel they must choose between the parties, between the lesser of two evils, which is why our politics tend to oscillate between the two parties over time.

Sometimes we move in a progressive direction, sometimes in a conservative one -- but neither position has been "right" for all of our 200-plus years.

So, in the wee weeks of his presidency, what has Barack Obama done that reveals what his dogma will be?

"Obama essentially is a pragmatist who shares basic Democratic values and believes in rational problem-solving and consensus politics," said University of St. Louis presidential expert Joel Goldstein.

Goldstein shares the academic consensus that Obama is "remarkably pragmatic."

"Obamaphiles will hate to hear this, but Obama is like Nixon without the inner demons," said University of Arkansas political scientist Robert Maranto. In other words, Richard Nixon was a pragmatic conservative in a liberal era, while Obama is a pragmatic liberal in a conservative era.

Yet two huge differences exist.

On a personal level, Nixon did not like people; Obama does.

On a political level, Congress and the media pushed Nixon to the left and he embraced good liberal policies such as environmental protection, as well as idiotic liberal policies such as wage-and-price controls. Except on foreign policy, Congress and the media are pushing Obama to the left, in the same direction as his basic predispositions.

Only time and circumstance will reveal if he embraces the good and staves off the ugly.

Obama is an idealist; when he discovered that community activism in Chicago had zero impact on people's lives, he moved into politics. At heart a pure liberal, he believes in using government to "help" people. As a classic pragmatist, he does not know exactly how to do that, so -- as pragmatists often do -- he is turning to experts.

Yet, says Maranto, "Here's the rub: the experts don't know, either."

Experts always want more cash for their own programs. But if you think that you can just get a bunch of really smart people in a room and fix, say, global warming -- not to mention health care or the economy -- then you are smoking the same happy-smoke as Jimmy Carter.

"Carter appointed lots of really bright, really capable people -- who all disagreed with each other," recalled Maranto. "He created the least coherent administration in modern history. Obama is smarter and more disciplined than Carter, so maybe he can pull it off."

Democrats believe public problems tend to require public solutions. Republicans believe most public problems can be solved through private transactions, and they also see fewer problems than do Democrats.

With his stimulus package, President Obama has proven that, like all politicians, he loves pork.

No matter what his dogma is or will be, he will never let it get in the way of that pork.

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Good column
But i disagree on one point. You said obamna likes people. I think when he looks out over a crowd, he sees ballots.(or sheep)

Impeach this Hater of the Constitution 1

Barack Hussein Obama is not one to be hindered by the Constitution. As a matter of fact, he is on record voicing his "fundamental" disagreement of it's "charter of negative liberties" in it's positive support of freedom from government tyranny.

Seven years before Barack Obama's "spread the wealth" comment to Joe the Plumber, Obama said the U.S. has suffered from a fundamentally flawed Constitution that does not mandate or allow for redistribution of wealth.

In a newly unearthed tape, Obama is heard telling Chicago's public station WBEZ-FM in 2001 that "redistributive change" is needed, pointing to what he regarded as a failure of the U.S. Supreme Court under Chief Justice Earl Warren in its rulings on civil rights issues in the 1960s.

The Warren court, he said, failed to "break free from the essential constraints" in the U.S. Constitution and launch a major redistribution of wealth.

But Obama, then an Illinois state lawmaker, said the legislative branch of government, rather than the courts, probably was the ideal avenue for accomplishing that goal.

In the 2001 interview, Obama said:

“… the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical.

It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. “

Says what the states can't do to you.

Says what the federal government can't do to you,

but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.”
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MUST DO...?

WTF?

Impeach this Hater of the Constitution 2

"doesn't say what the federal government MUST DO on your behalf?”

No problem for America’s new Socialist-Democrat Party…

The Marxist lover of legislation-more-than Constitutional restraint on government rule by fiat, didn't stop there...

The Socialist "Constitutional scholar's" comments continued:
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"And that hasn't shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change.

In some ways we still suffer from that.”

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=79225
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“Obama likes people…” So what?
What good does it do America or Americans if he “likes people” but hates the Constitution’s restraints on unfettered government control of the lives of “people.”

Hell, everybody likes a fool.

I don’t care if Obama likes me. But what I do care about is R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

“Only time and circumstance will reveal if he embraces the good and staves off the ugly.”

I got news for you Ms. Zito…if you don’t know by now, you’d better ask somebody a little more “pragmatic” than you are.

Impeach this Hater of the Constitution 3

Every time you see Barack Hussein Obama these days, he is surrounded by more and more U. S. flags, as if an abundance of red, white, and blue can hide the fact that his is a Commie Pinko through and through.

I don’t care how many flags this Lone Stranger surrounds himself with…he is a hater of the U. S. Constitution; his subversive and seditious comments attest to that fact.

How can we expect Barack Hussein Obama to "protect or defend" a Constitution whose principles he fundamentally disagrees with?

His [and the Socialist-Democrat Party's] redistribution of wealth package is all the evidence I need to convince me that he [and the Democrat Party which is lined up to give him free reign] has no intention of doing either.
As far as I’m concerned, if he were a citizen, he would be a traitor.

The views John Kerry shared on his opposition to a tax cut/tax holiday type of solution to the so-called "economic crisis" facing OUR free-market businesses and the citizens who created and maintain them; that he and the other Democrat Party hacks in Washington D.C. are the ones who know best how to invest OUR hard-earned money, is a view shared by Barack Hussein Obama, himself.

The very nincompoops who claimed that their "civil liberties" were being taken away by Bush/Cheney tapping foreign cell phone transmissions, in their attempts to combat Islamic jihadist's designs on destroying our nation from within, voted upon themselves and us all, a regime of Socialist dictatorship under a Democrat Party which would take our earnings to spend as they wish, and holds nothing but disdain for the very Constitution t that guarantees our liberty and freedom from the oppressive control of a tyrannical confiscatory federal government.

The Constitution cannot by itself stop the "pragmatic" Barack Hussein Obama...

"We the people" must step up and do our duty to defend it.

Let's roll...

Pork
Hmm. I thought muslims couldn't eat pork and here is O just loving it.

Another woman on the Obama kool-aid
So many of these women writers give Obama the benefit of the doubt, and write about him as though he's a typical American president just looking for the best way to benefit the American people.

Don't fall for it. All evidence points to a radical socialist looking for the best way to dismantle America as defined by its Constitution. This creep hates America the way it is structured and wants to destroy it and remake it as his friends William Ayers, George Soros, and their ilk want to see it.

I really do wish that women could resist a smooth voice and toothy smile, but women are women, conservative or not, and sooner or later Obama wins them over. It's a sort of political Stockholm Syndrome. Ann Coulter and Phyllis Schlaffly are refreshing exceptions, apparently impervious to Obama's charm and attraction to those of the female persuasion. The others seem to be falling one by one.

obama's "crisis"
A lie repeated enough times becomes the truth. Just ask hitler's favorite propaganda minister. Yeah, our government knows this, do we? If chicken little says the sky falls in the forest, can you hear it? We are all fattened sheep for the slaughter, they are just squeezing that last bit of cash out of us before the other shoe drops.... Demoralized as a nation, we will then be "influenced" into a one world govrnment "for our own good" and then shame on all of us, America the superpower will be no more.... Yep, that money other countries have invested in America has / will pay back in spades. Our grandchildren's kids will curse this genneration......... We can stop all of this but we gotta find the balls and the brains to do it. Stay tuned.......

Words & Phrases - Hope Never To Hear

Words and phrases that I hope to never hear again:

Messiah, unless it is the REAL Messiah.

Hope-n-Change.

"Failed Old Policies" by someone, who either uses Bush's or sets out to attack our Constitution, Constitutional Rights, etc.

Crisis, Catastrophe, Great Depression.

Redistribution.

Spread The Wealth Around.

Share The Wealth.

Economic Justice.

Social Justice.

The names of most everyone in Congress, who are not Fiscal Conservatives.

Obama and his entire staff and Cabinet.

"Tax cuts" for 95% of Americans.

Nation of Cowards.

"We are our brother's keeper" from a man, whose own brother lives in a Kenyan hut.


I'm sure that there are many more, but I am having a hard time in differentiating Obama & Huey Long. I half expect to have to add "a chicken every pot."

jaybird
"Another woman on the Obama kool-aid"

Exactly!

It never ceases to amaze how women allow their emotions to cloud their judgments. Not only are they capable of jumping to 'feeling' conclusions and allow their emotions vicious, erroneous outlet but they also prevent them from correctly analyzing and concluding what facts clearly indicate.

In large part, women are the reason why liberals are able to get away with so much - it's only their intentions they see.

How much destruction are they going to allow before they begin to see through the lies?

OBAMA'S MOSLEM STIMULUS PLAN
Obama's Moslem outreach program is the biggest stimulus package in history exceeding in scope and ambition his trillion dollar recovery plan. For it promises every Moslem male of proper age the pleasures of paradise in this life by giving each a generous gift of 72 virgin American wives. But this is just another impossible socialist scheme as virginity in America has become a rare thing.

Click ApolloSpeaks and read the rest of: King Kong, Reagan's Bonzo, Obamavich and Churchill's Bust



Sorry, Denise!
"If you don't mind, please refrain from painting all women with such a wide brush."

This is not to say that there are not thinking and informed women who can make a reasoned judgment - but jaybird's point is quite valid.

Why do you think the term 'nanny fascism' has taken hold in describing CA's government. Emotion based policy.

Remember when Ahnold still had b@lls and referred to Assembly dems as 'girly-men'? Well, I expect the right-side editorial cartoonists will begin drawing him wearing a skirt, heels and bra since he's, for the most part, lost the support of the CA republican party.

This is like the Harvard/Summers brouha-ha. He made a point that was scientifically valid and the feminine left viciously attacked - one of their own it turns out.

It is also a statistical scientific fact that women are clearly better at verbal and linguistic skills than men - I have yet to see any men express outrage when that generalization is tossed about even though there are individual men who are quite verbally adept.

Please, Denise, let's not be so emotional!

"Hi Bob"
Zito, What gives?

Remarkably pragmatic?
Rational problem-solving?
Like Nixon without the inner demons?
Likes people?
An idealist?

Sounds like YOU were out late last night playing the "crisis" word-drinking game and temporarily lost all brain function.

grubby

"Please, Denise, let's not be so emotional!"

I'm not emotional about it. I honestly don't care; however, I do think it is helpful for better understanding when broad generalizations are made.

Look, this Obamacat struck me as almost a demagogue from the first time that I ever saw him. And, then we started seeing the fainting broads, hysterical crying as if he was all of the Beatles' rolled into one, and then the freaky transfixed zombie photographs. At that point last year, I even told my secretary that the people looked like they were worshipping some dictator. Also, I thought the women resembled 6th grade girls, who were creating their fake wedding invitations for their marriage to be determined later.

I have one female friend and all of the rest are men. Trust me, I am not the typical female. I even love hunting, fishing, football and boxing.

My younger brother tells everyone that I can pretty much be described in one word ... BRUTAL.

Ms. Zeto
I respectfully suggest that, if you believe Obambi is anything but a far left loonie, you're living in a dream world.

Differ with Obama's crisis dogma...
...and the debater will be hit with "racism" dogma. If anyone ask legitimate questions of the need for Obama's $800 billion democrat political "quid pro quo" pork package, that Obama nor any other democrat even read, it appears Obama's people, like our Attorney General, Eric Holder, will continuously
re-introduce the specter of racism, inferring that questioning Obama equates with racism:

http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag-speech-090218.html

Two more thoughts. Why doesn't Obama cap the annual allowable earnings of political lobbyist who earn millions from political influence peddling? And, since Obama plans to attack the federal deficit by taxing the wealthy and businesses, how is Obama going to ensure rich democrat public servants keep their "skin in the game" and pay their fair share of taxes for the public good?

TO: AlwaysAMarine:
You have it right--and I agree 100% with all your points--EXCEPT: The BEST way to solve the problem!
It's quite simple--but not easy. WRITE the SCOTUS Justices every single week, individually, and place all the letters in one big manila envelope and mail to the Supreme Court. (see http://www.obamacrimes.com )
Ask them, as YOUR appointed Judges of the Constitution, and since they are sworn to uphold it--to FINALLY choose even one of the many lawsuits questioning whether or not BO is a "natural-born citizen" and HEAR it! Depose witnesses, read affidavites, look at evidence, listen to arguments--and WHEN they do, it will be conclusive that he is NOT eligible to be in the office.
They will then be sworn to REMOVE him, if not prosecuete him for his crimes--and all the bills he has signed, INCLUDING HR1--will be null and void. ALSO all his questionable (to say the least) appointments to his Cabinet will go.
Regardless of who actually replaces him, (even Pelosi) we will be able to move forward with MANY lessons learned, and in the right direction for the TRUE American people to work together, as we always have--to solve our own crisis...His "let them eat cake" attitude has no place here at this time.
I have a good example of a letter I send that I will supply to anyone--just ask.
Shall we force SCOTUS to do their job??

Salena
"...Democrats believe public problems tend to require public solutions. Republicans believe most public problems can be solved through private transactions, and they also see fewer problems than do Democrats..."

This is why Republicans are disappearing. You have proven yet again that Hooverism/reaganism's total reliance on the private sector does not work. In fact it never has worked anywhere at anytime. It produces bubbles giving the illusion of progress and is followed by collapse. Total reliance on the government sector will not work either we reap stagnation. The answer is a miz of both the government leveling the playing field and enforcing standards and regulation with the private sector pushing against them. That is why Republicans are toast until the RINOs return

OncealwaysaMarine
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 1:16 AM EST Impeach this Hater of the Constitution ...In a newly unearthed tape, Obama is heard telling Chicago's public "

Two lies right here. Obama does not hate the constitution and that tape was "descovered well before election day. Your quote is all out of context

"...voted upon themselves and us all, a regime of Socialist dictatorship under a Democrat Party which would take our earnings to spend as they wish, and holds nothing but disdain for the very Constitution ...The Constitution cannot by itself stop the "pragmatic" Barack Hussein Obama...

"We the people" must step up and do our duty to defend it..."

Sounds an awful lot like it is you who forgot your oath of enlistment. Read all you spewed good grief


RowaneT
"...Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 8:31 AM EST Ms. Zeto
I respectfully suggest that, if you believe Obambi is anything but a far left loonie, you're living in a dream world."

I with zero respect think that you sound like yet another looney conservative guzzling hateful kool aide

I mean look at Lynne above who appears to be wearing a tin hat and cannot believe the American people repudiated her failed conservatism. Repudiated is the right word you lost in nearly every group

Obama "likes people?"
Obama likes the mirror. Anyone who defends killing the already-born has a heart of icy stone, even if he has charm enough to fool the people. Lots of dictators appeared to love people, too. And then came the killing fields, the starvation, the "re-education" camps.

Thus it is with NPD.

Pragmatism, for him, is denial. If he's wrong, he'll just shrug it off - and most of the time, he'll pretend he was on the right side all along. Just like Willy Jeff Clinton. No pragmatism.

If you want the vision inside of the Great One's head, you only have to look at "I Am Legend." That's the movie he thinks he's palying a role in - (which is why he wants Will Smith to play his life in a movie.) Delusional narcissism. Not pragmatism.

Good environmental policies????
The ESA and EPA are working to transfer the majority of Americans to 3rd world status. The enviros themselves will of course continue to live opulently. Those laws have been used to shut down 10s of thousands of jobs and take away private property rights of thousands of people across the country. Environmentalism is huge business today, and it is a tax free business, wupported even mroe by tax dollars.
Virtually all of the "shovel ready infrastructure" in the stimulus bill will be litigated by environmental groups after the many year process of EIS studies, that never satisfy environmentalists. EarthJustice has 171 lawsuits pending as of Feb 17 according to their web site. Not only are thousands of jobs directly affected, but the loss of spending ability by those lost workers impacts those from whom they would make purchases.

Jim
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 9:08 AM EST Obama "likes people?"
Obama likes the mirror. Anyone who defends killing the already-born has a heart of icy stone,..."

Why you lying drama queen. He did not defend killing any living thing especially a child. That silly, propaganda law was completely unneeded and if you don't know it you darn sure should. What part of murder don't you understand?

"... Just like Willy Jeff Clinton. No pragmatism..."

Clinton looks pretty good a solid economy, relatively peaceful times and growing happiness. I don't need a perfect man I need a leader Clinton was a good one

"...If you want the vision inside of the Great One's head,... "

Now you claim to be God and know what is in others minds???? Yup sounds sooo conservative

Marion
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 9:10 AM EST Good environmental policies????
....Those laws have been used to shut down 10s of thousands of jobs and take away private property rights of thousands of people across the country..."
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Wrong for the most part BUT we do want you to pay for ALL the costs of production which includes cleaning up a polluted environment snd sick people


Hal the 2001 computer?
Salena, Salena you are embarassing yourself, seek help immediately. OTOH maybe Salena is auditionong along with Hal Donahue for a job with PBO's admin?

Jim, VA 9:08am
Here is some information on Obama's thinking on the Illinois' Infant Born Alive Protection Act.

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/08/baipaobamamp3.ht ml

http://www.jillstanek.com/29383467.mp3

Obama, argued that infants surviving an abortion should be allowed to satisfy the original decision to abort them. To do otherwise is simply to burden the decision of the women and the doctor to terminate the life of the living infant that survives an abortion.

To Obama the issue of the moral duty to assist the living infant was a non-starter. The rights of the living infant that survived an abortion was a legal and medical matter to be decided only by the woman and the doctor.

An aborted infant has no inherit right to life or medical assistance, even if the aborted infant was alive.

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pd f

Vaquero
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 9:52 AM EST Hal the 2001 computer?
Salena, Salena you are embarassing yourself, seek help immediately. OTOH maybe Salena is auditionong along with Hal Donahue for a job with PBO's admin? "

We all should be offering to work for the admisistration to help turn this country around. Certainly business does not deserve our best and brightest right now. Repair the damage then go into business and rebuild it. YOu don't want to repair the nation and restore her to greatness status?

larry22
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 10:00 AM EST Jim, VA 9:08am
Here is some information ..."

It has been against the law to kill a living child since the birth of the nation. Fact Nothing else needs said or done

"The World as it should be"
Obama's image of America is a sick, broken land that will never recovery. In need, not of a president, but, a healer.

Michelle Obama: "And, 'All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won’t do – that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be.'"

"Here’s an excerpt from Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals:

"The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive — but real — allies of the Haves…The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be.'"

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/08/figures-michelle- obama-quotes-lines.html

"...Ms. Obama...connecting very powerfully with their audience. But there is also something to be said for analyzing a speech apart from its presentation. When we do that, we come closer to understanding the appealing and appalling message of the Democratic Party."

http://www.minnpost.com/craigwestover/2008/08/26/3133/conve ntion_speeches_the_world_as_it_should_be

Obama's going to change America. Rearrange her. Destroy her to save her. Obama's going to change the world! How is he going to do this, change the world? Saul Alinsky wrote:
"The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means..."

Obama was a community activist
until he realized working with poor black folks wouldn't make him rich. He went into politics because he knew he could skim and divert monies through his associates (Rezko) to get well to do. He went into the Senate because that was a good, never have to commit, great pension, job he could keep for life if he chose. He ran for President because he watched Clinton become very very wealthy after leaving office, and besides it has a lifetime pension and perks. In other words, he is plain and simple, an opportunist who will milk the system for as much as he can get and the hell with the rest of us.

Hal, you are right
Therefore, the infant surviving an abortion attempt is not to be legally defined as a child. That was the issue. If the woman and doctor desired to terminate the pregnancy they are not killing a child. They are ending a pregnancy. What to do with those infants that survive? Obama said to not burden the original decision or intent of the woman and doctor to end the pregnancy by assisting the aborted infant to live. Others argue that the infant surviving an abortion attempt is a child. Obama argues otherwise and allow the aborted infant born alive to fulfill the original intent of the woman and doctor ... to go out of existence! Some argue that means to alow them to die.

Others argue the infant was not a child, therefore, was not dying but being aborted. This seems to be Obama's position.

larry22
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 10:25 AM EST "The World as it should be"
Obama's image of America is a sick, broken land that will never recovery. In need, not of a president, but, a healer."

It will recover! Now this is a broke and hurting land. The American dream was subverted by extremists. All the rest is rubbish. We must rebuilfd the nation and restore it to the values of our founders and the greatest generation. If you deny the nation is not badly hurt, you do not get out much

"Michelle Obama: "And, 'All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won’t do – that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be.'"

You have a problem with this???/ Why? It was our founders's dream too

Larry 22
Haven't gone to the links, but I'm aware of Jill Stanek and her heroic efforts to show Obama for what he is: a baby killer. This is a paraphrase of the Amateur in Chief's words:

"Why should we have to bring in a 2nd doctor to save the life of a baby the 1st doctor was trying to kill?"

I guess some would call that pragmatism. Pragmatic like the proponents of Eugenics, Walter Ashby Plecker, M.D. and Margaret Sanger, who called minorities "human weeds." Their idea was to rid the garden of weeds, allowing only the "fit" to reproduce. Sterilization, not abortion, was their methodology. That's also why PP is located mostly in areas where minorities live. Pragmatic. That's why minority women have the greatest number of abortions, relative to population.

Plecker was Virginia's first director of the Bureau of Vital Statistics, and once boasted that "Hitler himself" didn't keep such accurate records. But Hitler did apparently admire the anti-miscegenation principles of Plecker et al.

Medicine has utilized modern human trials that are horrific, even by Nazi standards - (check out the tests for TGN 1412.) Horrible! Horrible! And recent.

When science is unchecked by morality, monsters are made, and men are made monstrous.

Hal, neo-marxist and tax cheats are...
...not the solution making them the central planners for all of society. That would be returning human society backwards several hundred years. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/288200.html

The US Constitution as a charter of "negative liberties" to protect the individual from central government. It was assumed that politicians in central government when given too much power over individuals would eventually become corrupted.

Neo-marxist politicians want to control the masses from central government, yet they do not have the ethics to pay their income taxes on the ill-gotten gain they have received from corrupt political dealings and their political influence peddling while during the public's business. What can we expect from them if they continue down the path they want to take our country?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Obama, a neo-marxist, said the charter of "negative liberties" our Constitution, was flawed, therefore the Supreme Court should turn the Constitution into a charter of "positive liberties" specifying what the individual can expect from his central government.

Our system of federal government is based on these historical facts about human nature and human civil society, the individual has had three historical threats:
1. From his government, more have been slaughtered by their government.
2. From other governments, many have been slaughtered in wars between governments.
3. From society descending into a war of all against all. "Bellum omnium contra omnes," a Latin phrase meaning "the war of all against all":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellum_omnium_contra_omnes

It has been observed that the government that can give you everything you want, will have the power to take everything you have, Hal.

larry22
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 10:34 AM EST Hal, you are right
Therefore, the infant surviving an abortion attempt is not to be legally defined as a child..."

Utter rubbish. Murder is murder. But I really must say you are doing a great job trying to divert the subject from our failed economy and our hurting people who beyond doubt are alive and not doing well. The American people settled the abortion issue

What fairy tales teach us....
Obama's plans and his egotism are like the story of The Gingerbread Man. As he is gaining ground in his own mind, I hear his mantra of socialism crying out: "Run, Run, Run, as fast as you can! You can't catch me, I'm the Gingerbread Man!!

At least many of us here on TH and on other conservative sites are on the right track. Surely, it's only a matter of time as more of our country's citizens "catch"on!! I'm not holding my breath, however, that those who were duped by this usurper will wake up and do anything to stop him as his liberal ideals run away with our Republic.

This is not time to sit back and hope for the best. Personally, I envision that the virtue of true patriots armed with the strength of our Constitution will be the fox that outsmarts him!

Take LYNNE'S advice and put your voice out there to SCOTUS, your reps and senators. If we don't, we will have no one to blame but our own apathy.
See Alan Keyes interview on World Net Daily for today Feb. 21.

Hal, the US Supreme Court legislating...
...from the bench spoke on the abortion issue. Most places the abortion issue has been on the ballot it is usually voted down or deeply limited, especially partial birth abortions and late term abortions:

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/231295/

Hal, I was merely posting a reply to your reply to Jim, where you wrote regarding his comments about Obama's vote to refuse medical assistance to infants born alive:

"Why you lying drama queen. He did not defend killing any living thing especially a child. That silly, propaganda law was completely unneeded and if you don't know it you darn sure should. What part of murder don't you understand?"


larry22 reduced to name calling?
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 10:50 AM EST Hal, neo-marxist and tax cheats are...
...not the solution making them the central planners for all of society."

Let's look at this. No one least of all Obama is a Marxist. Plian and simple this is nonsense. Second, no one wants central planning The private sector is crashed by the failure of the government to maintain a level well regulated playing field. It must be repaired and restored.

" ...Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. "

It certainly does that is why we must restore effective government under the constitution which is what Obama is doing

"...The US Constitution as a charter of "negative liberties" to protect the individual from central government..."

It is; is it not?

"... It was assumed that politicians in central government when given too much power over individuals would eventually become corrupted..."

That is why we have the three branches of government that you conservatives seem to hate. A weak central government question was settled twice: once when the Articles of Confederation was scrapped and when the slave confedercy was crushed. A strong central government is not at issue

"...Obama, a neo-marxist,... "

This is simply a lie not even an opinion. No different than if I called you and the failed Bush a fascist

"...It has been observed that the government that can give you everything you want, will have the power to take everything you have, Hal."

Buzz phrases. That applies ONLY if the people do not stay involved. They are involved and the revolution of November proves our government is strong and working very well

Correct date...
The Alan Keyes interview was posted yesterday on WND, Feb. 21, not today Feb. 22.

Hal ... I am speechless ...
There is no need to respond to anything you've posted in reply to my post. I see your gun has no bullets. For, your gun is filled with that refreshing drink ... kool-aid! Aimed straight for your mouth! Enjoy ... while it last!

Good grief!
Obama is a liberal fascist and he is forcing socialism down our throats in addition to weakening the military! Doesn't Zito realize this?

Cons. offers the best values
Personal responsibility
Hard work for success and savings
Low taxation
Small(er) gov't
Strong foreign policy (which Dems. followed until Johnson)
Free trade (resticted trade--Smooot-Hawley--helped deepen the Grt. Hep.)
and
Rule of law according to the Constitution

Liberals believe
Personal libertinism (let is all hang out)
Sexual irresponsibility (2 million pregancies o unwed women, 1.5 mnillion abortions)
The *drug culture*
Group preferences
High taxes
Open borders
Cultural abnegation in favor of Europe
and
Interpreting the Constitution however

WHICH WORKS BETTER?

cactushead
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 11:03 AM EST ...This idea that the two permanent victims from chicago after brief stints at harvard where both stayed after acceptance as affirmative action admittees only shows liberalsims poisons the soul"

and what have you done with your life? You throw stones at folks who were educated at the finest institutions worked in largely public service jobs and have risen to the top of the political culture. Just what have you done? What top schools have you graduated from? What have you done for this society and country?

"...huge pork bill, tarp and it's additional $170 billion in pork and now the $275 billion house bailout for the losers only proves the m,essiah is your typical status quo dim who only believes throwing money at problems is the answer. "

Your failed poisonous idealogy crashed the economy endangering the whole country and you whine Obama is not doing it right? Well become president and do it right. You really are whining and pathetic.

"...while cities and states are cutting back on programs and spending, the messiah being your typical dim won't look at failed govt programs, wasteful gov't spending or the elimination of any gov't union jobs"

elimination of jobs? lets start with eliminating all you have and then start there? This is a time for government to spend not in a boom

This blog really has been taken over by
the far-out crazy fringe. I used to look in every other day, now it's more like once a week, and I think that's over.

Just reading up this thread makes one realize how powerless, how delusional you all are, and how full of hate. Is that your Christian heritage, by the way?

Obama a fascist? Alice, do you even know what that means or are you just off a bubble or two?

TH used to be kind of funny, nw it's a major bore.

Pretender's Dogma?
Maranto says Of Jimmy Carter: "He created the least coherent administration in modern history. Obama is smarter and more disciplined than Carter, so maybe he can pull it off." I ABSOLUTELY REJECT THAT STATEMENT! I was no great fan of Carter while he was president but his intellect and accomplishments before entering politics is far superior to the current holder of the office (gag). Carter was too honest and forthright to be a politician and probably not pragmatic enough but I have to admire his stand on higher principles. The current prez (gag) is a mediocre charlatan at best with no substance or qualifications other than blather and even that is done with smoke and mirrors. I cannot stand deception and we have that in abundance with this “actor”.

Two thumbs down to the clown that makes me frown. The pretender will surely render more than a fender-bender with all this wild squander of tender. For from debt we’ll all drown while this fool with a crown fiddles away in DC town.

Obama first called liars people who
reported his votes in the IL leg. to deny babies born of abortions medical treatment.

He said the leg. wasn't the same as fed. (But it was.)

The same week in the NTYTimes, he admitted he had voted to deny those infants medical care.

O wants leg. in Cong. to permit abortions at any time in any stage of pregnancy in the perverted name of women's choice. Any abortion after the first trimester is murder.

And I bet neither Michelle nor the Big O ever referred to her *blob of fetal cells* when Michelle was pregnant.

*Feminism* that makes its entire reason for being promoting abortion are like Nazis selling concentraion camps as ways to deal with the disablied and insane. And people who support unregulated abortion are no better than mass murderers.

Retribution of wealth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

It appears that Obama plans for a series of continuous bailouts, justified by the "worst economic recession in the history of the whole world." This seems to be in keeping with Obama's socialist view that central government must redistribute wealth and bring about "economic justice."

Therefore, Obama will push two economic policies, "tax and redistribute." Tax the high end to redistribute to the low end.

To fund the wealth redistribution requires that the heart of the Obama economic policy be an increase of the tax rates on the wealthy and business:

http://www.heartland.org/publications/budget%20tax/article/ 18402/As_Tax_Rates_Fall_Wealthy_Pay_More.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/0 2/21/AR2009022100911_pf.html

What Obama doesn't understand in that the wealthy will transfer wealth outside our economy, stalling economic growth and the available tax revenues for redistribute from the wealthy, who already pay most in federal taxes revenues:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_federal_income _tax_is_paid_by_the_wealthy

Sidenote" This does not hold true for rich democrats who claim the "100% tax cut for the rich" tax credit under the Joe Biden "no skin in the game" clause.

RumDumb writes: "I used to look in every

other day, now it's more like once a week, and I think that's over."


PROMISE? :-)





Not sure Zito has this exactly right...

"On a personal level, Nixon did not like people; Obama does."

Bozo Obama likes people who can and will be of benefit to him. He's an opportunist!!!


"... when he discovered that community activism in Chicago had zero impact on people's lives, he moved into politics."

More to the point, Bozo figured that community activism was a way TO politics and POWER!

Nothing more, nothing less.


larry22: YOU'RE SPOT ON!
.

Salina
On a personal level, Nixon did not like people; Obama does. That is entirely wrong. Nixon has been wronged for all these years. He didn't do anything other presidents didn't do other than get caught. The beloved Kennedy was worse than Nixon could ever have been. People spew what they have heard, never studying the truth.
This man Obama knows exactly what he is doing. And at this point he is doing it well. His agenda is to destroy this country and the capitalistic way of life. He has the power to do so as he holds command of the Senate and House of Reps. Will soon hold command over the Judicial system.
Obama treats all as his serfs. Just watch him. Take care in listening to his words though.

What?
Nixon FEARED what people thought of him which may be why he was seen as a people hater. However, from what I have seen, Obama doesn't "like" people---he wants to be liked by them. I don't think he gives a damn about the individual as evidenced by his policies and actions to date.

Ranger29, a question for you?
Would you trust our country and future to a political party, democrats, who voted to give Bush the power to spend billions and trillions. And, send our sons and daughters to fight and died. Then, advance that they did not do their due dilligence and all of them fell for a lie?

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

The real question is, why did these democrats lie us into the Iraq war? democrats lied, played political games, troops died! democrats are now playing political games with our economy!

Denise
I feel exactly as you do, but you and I know that what jaybird says is true. It was true of Clinton too - and I thought he had a glib tongue!

In any case, Barack Hussein Mengele Obama hates people. He does enjoy taking them in and lying through his teeth to make fools of them. I don't trust him and I don't trust those who stand next to him. We are being snookered into a new kind of slavery and reparations will be extracted if we don't begin to move now against it.

Robert - you don't have enough money to be taxed for your stupidity! Why are you here? You're sick - get some help.

renny
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 11:55 AM EST Cons. offers the best values
Personal responsibility.."

The financial crisis proves you do not stand for this at all but say that you do

"Hard work for success and savings"

work? hmmm maybe success and savings definately not

"Low taxation
Small(er) gov't"

Crumbling infrastructure and society unsafe food and toys

"...Strong foreign policy (which Dems. followed until Johnson)"

damaged alliances used up military major attack on US soilplanners let go; mired in the desert for over five years by a third world national movement

"...Rule of law according to the Constitution"

ruling say otherwise

You sad sacks say one thing and don't deliver Haggert and the financial collapse prove this beyond a doubt

OBAMA DOES NOT LIKE PEOPLE
Obama does not like people. HE LIKES THE POWER HE CAN OBTAIN OVER PEOPLE. WE MUST WAKE UP to the truth. He, Pelosi, Reid are trying to break down this country. We cannot let them.

VOICE YOUR OPIINIONS NOW
Rick Santelli is right; thus, TEA PARTIES ARE CROPPING UP ALL OVER THE NATON AT THIS VERY MOMENT.

You CAN ATTEND a Tea Party in your area. They are scheduled in many states for February 27. LET YOUR VOICES BE HEARD. Go here for info. OfficialChicagoTeaParty.com Then click on OnLineForm. That takes you to the page for links for your state.

Do not wait for the 2010 elections. Voice your opinion NOW. When we participate in protests, demonstrations, call and write the Congress, THEN, and only then, IS THERE HOPE.

Jim-AR: Just a side note! You are

about Nixon.

Julie Nixon Eisenhower and David and children are neighbors.

We went to the same parish for many years, and our children grew up and played together.

You are right about Nixon!






Location: AR
Reply # 56
Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 12:23 PM EST Salina
On a personal level, Nixon did not like people; Obama does. That

Not one of your better columns
""Carter appointed lots of really bright, really capable people -- who all disagreed with each other," recalled Maranto. "He created the least coherent administration in modern history. Obama is smarter and more disciplined than Carter, so maybe he can pull it off.""

This is one of the dumber statements I think I have ever read. Obama already has created chaos. He can't fill his cabinet posts, and is creating new positions at mach 5. Coherent? Not hardly, and it is showing in every poll, and in every walk of life.

ranger29
Just go away you moron. It is getting really old seeing you here. Sooner or later even with the new billions acorn is going to receive even they will run out of money. So then you will be out of a job. How much do they pay you. You're the perfect liberal, talk a lot but say absolutely nothing. All those drugs have burnt your brain out.

Ranger29, all politicians...
...bare the burden and the responibility of making national security decisions. Under the balance of power the legislature, at any time, could have refused funding for the Iraq war.

Second, the Iraq war gave the US two advantages. It drew terrorist to Iraq like a magnet. We chose the place and time of the battle. Instead of the streets of New York or Chicago, the streets of Bagdad.

Second, our resolve showed the terrorist if they hit if andwhen they attacked the US, again. That caused the terrorist to pause, think twice. After 8 years of Clinton, terrorist thought America had lost the will to defend itself, except with missiles. Thousands of terrorist hoped to break America spirit in Iraq. Instead, the terrorist ran into the "meat grinder of American resolve."

I explain the Bush strategy like this. Let's say a group has attacked your home and is planning a larger attack of your home. Do you wait for them to re-group, plan for their attack and come back to your house? Or, do you get your men, your people, together and attack their home, in their neighborhood? Thereby, keeping your home safe?

If 3000+ Americans have died and more are going to die, as well, I prefer to go down FIGHTING! Not to go down like a scare, confused, metrosexual, democrat! Too confused and unsure to defend themselves. If terrorist want to attack us, make them pay a very high price if and when they do!

Isn't national defense the first duty of the federal government thereby making it a justified expense of the federal treasury? Ranger29, do you think treasure spend for national defense is unreasonable? But, $800 billion spent on democrat pork projects is reasonable?

What if there is a need for funds to defend the nation but democrats have all the available funds tied up in a pork barrel ($800 billion) and paying off mortgages of the underclass ($275 billion)? Is this something you support?

Linda
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 12:46 PM EST OBAMA DOES NOT LIKE PEOPLE
Obama does not like people. HE LIKES THE POWER HE CAN OBTAIN OVER PEOPLE. WE MUST WAKE UP to the truth. He, Pelosi, Reid are trying to break down this country. We cannot let them."

Why are all the crazies in Texas perhaps we should have let mexico have then when they scurried to the Union to be protected.

"VOICE YOUR OPIINIONS NOW
Rick Santelli is right; thus, TEA PARTIES ARE CROPPING UP ALL OVER THE NATON AT THIS VERY MOMENT. "

Perhaps you should stop ranting and work to win elections? Rick Santelli and Joe the Plumber are classic examples of conservatives. Whine much and produce little

"...Do not wait for the 2010 elections. Voice your opinion NOW. When we participate in protests, demonstrations, call and write the Congress, THEN, and only then, IS THERE HOPE. "

LOL lazy conservatives. If you want to win elections you best start now for 2010 - we are

r729: Problem! One must actually HAVE A

JOB before one can be OUT OF A JOB.

And just like IQ29 claims Congress passed some special bill for him before .... and there is NO RECORD, trust me, there is NO RECORD of any Senate bill for IQ29.




CHURCHILL'S BUST AND 9/11
Barack Hussein Obamalain, avatar of Neville, kindly returned Churchill's bust on loan from the Brits to let us know that he lacks the warrior's spirit and has no bark, bite or bull dog in him. No sooner did this happen than what do you know Pakistan made peace with al Qaida and the Taliban giving them land to impose Sharia Law-and rebuild at last their happy, holy, humane emirate.

As the bust was a 9/11 gift to George Bush what better proof do we need that we're turning back the clock before the dread attack to paper tiger, soft-on-terror, pre-9/11 sleeping America with the Clintons as Obama's mentors-in-chief schooling him in the ways of appeasement and weakness.

Click ApolloSpeaks and read more of King Kong's Rage, Bonzo Liberalism, Blago Obamavich and Churchill's Bust


democrats cleaning up their...
...economic mess that they have made is a joke! Any democrat politician who made million must give the ill-gotten gain back to the public:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

democrats raked in multi-million dollar paydays like, Jamie Gorelick, by using their clout with the DNC to help Freddie Mac and Fannie May to cook their books. By the way, Jamie Gorelick is the one who established the "wall of separation" between the CIA and the FBI making the 9/11 terrorist attacks possible.

http://inzax.us/2008/09/17/jamie-gorelick-clinton-crony/

"Gorelick also served on the board of directors of Fannie Mae, and was part of the accounting cook booking scheme which has resulted in hundreds of billions of dollars in losses and is now owned by the taxpayer...Gorelick, a democrat politician, pocketed $26 million from her Fannie Mae affiliation."

Frank Raines, another democrat, raked in $90 million in pay to cook the books for democrats and ACORN:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/how_clos e_are_raines_and_obama.html

"He (Frank Raines) was accused of manipulating earnings statements so he could be paid bonuses to which he was not entitled. In July, Mr. Raines was interviewed by Anita Huslin, a business reporter for the Washington Post."

democrat, leftist, neo-marxist, social justice policies like the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) placed the banking mortgage and consumer credit industries in the peril we see today.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo125.html

Obama's ACORN increased the pressure on bankers to continue the bad practice of approving bad loans:

http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogspot.com/2008/10/barack-obam a-acorn-and-community.html

I wonder how much of the trillions of our money will end up in the bank accounts of ACORN executives, and various democrat politician / lobbyist and democrat political campaign funds as kick-backs.

doofass: You're not keeping up.....

http://townhall.com/columnists/KenConnor/2009/02/22/pork_an d_pitchforks?sort=asc&comments=true#comments

"February 10th, President Obama claimed that the American public backed his plan, pointing to a Gallup poll released the day before showing that 51% of respondents believed that an economic stimulus of some kind was "critically important."

"Yet, just 6 days later, on February 16th, a Rasmussen poll revealed that only 38% of Americans polled believed that the President's stimulus package would help the economy, while 29% thought it would hurt the economy and 24% thought it would not make much of a difference. This realization came too late. By the time President Obama signed the stimulus into law, over half of the American public lacked faith in it."


Bozo and the dems are quickly losing traction on this one... And I think it's some kind of record! :-)



Multi-front War
We are in a multi-front world and national war with overlapping battles mistakenly called wars. The sooner we realize these hard, cold facts, truths and real history the sooner we can craft a strategy and tactics for winning the battles and the larger war.
The battles are:
1. A “culture war” of Liberalism/Progressivism – as Liberals are tending to prefer calling themselves since Liberal became such a strong pejorative – vs. the caution of Moderates and Conservatives. The latter reject the Obamas’ worldview that the U.S. is the evil bogeyman responsible for all the ills of the world, much like Bush/Cheney, et al. This battle is being fought also against Islam worldwide with its primary aims of all Muslims to take over the world for Allah, a worldwide caliphate with Shar’ia law and to convert, subjugate – dhimmi – or murder all unbelievers in Islam.
2. Those being fought principally in Afghanistan and Iraq – each of these battles called by the ignorant, separate wars - against Islamic jihadists. These battles are in fact little different from the battles in Africa, the Middle East and Europe, and the Pacific Theater of WWII.
3. The “Cold War” that never was completely cold, e.g. Cuban missile crisis, Korea, Southeast Asia, Afghanistan I, Iran U.S. Embassy hostage crisis and debacle of a rescue attempt, Grenada to remove Cuban surrogates of the Soviet Union, Gulf War I, Afghanistan II and Iraq battles, not to mention Islamic jihadist terrorism since at least the mid-1970s and hundreds of other incidents. (cont.)

Multi-front War - 2
Throughout the Soviet Union/Russia, China, France, Germany and others have fought against the U.S. and the rest of the free world. The Soviet Union/Russia mastered long ago use of surrogates to fight for them. Only the most ignorant would even attempt to argue that Russia, China and others have not resurged to bring more battles to the U.S. and the world.
Presently the nation and the world are on tenterhooks to see whose side Obama is on and what he will really do. So far his actions do not look good for the U.S. and the rest of the free world.

Working link to ACORN convention...
...focusing on the need for more community organizing the get more Community Reinvestment:

http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogspot.com/2008/10/barack-obam a-acorn-and-community.html

Obama's Dogma
He doesn't like people or he wouldn't sneer at and speak condescendingly to EVERYONE who disagrees with him. He doesn't like people, he just enjoys his ability to verbally manipulate people. His plan is to lead them, like sheep, into socialism because it FEELS good when you talk about it, but not in reality. And just because he is more articulate than Carter doesn't mean he is smarter.

Yes, I know it has become non-PC to refer to people of color as articulate, but so what.

NO WAY! HA HA HA HA IQ29 accuses someone

of being rude!

THAT is one of THE best ever...

One of THE RUDDEST posters on TH actually accusing someone of being rude...

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Yup, no matter what, IQ29 alway wakes up stupid and rude.... 'cause you can't fix stupid!!! :-)


Hey doofass: AGAIN! WHAT SAY YOU???


This is the inept bozo doofass actually believes is going to save our country!

Less than 48 HOURS after Bozo's costly coronation, using his newly acquired Emperor (Exec.) Order pen, he signed an order to close Gitmo.

And when all but Murtha was saying, "Not in my backyard..." one of his spokespersons was forced to admit... and I quote.....

"… he hasn't yet fully explored the potentially negative consequences...it is more complicated than it first appeared."

Did you get that doofass???

"… he hasn't yet fully explored the potentially negative consequences ... it is more complicated than it first appeared."

Bozo couldn't wait to sign an Exec. Order to close Gitmo, but yet fully explored the potentially negative consequences...and then figured out that it was more complicated than it first appeared.

HOW truly stupid and inept does one have to be to do that?

What are you going to say if his little plan doesn't fix the economy... and next year he comes out and says...

"OOOOOPS! Sorry. In spite of the fact that I just spent TRILLIONS of DOLLARS of YOUR money, but I hadn't fully explored the potentially negative consequences. I'm sorry to have to tell you, it was more complicated than it first appeared."


This is the chance you took with some inept idiot you knew nothing about except that he'd not even managed a damn lemonade stand!

Ronald, the democrats, in one month...
...have our nation's economy so over extended, we would be forced to go to Red China for a loan to have enough resources to pay for our national defense! And, Obama has plans for even more bailout packages.

Obama likes people?

Liberal-Democrats have a saying, "Love the Sin, Love the Sinner more".

One need look no further than the Liberal-Democrat comments on Townhall to see that these people are too often feral. Lacking in the ability to love, or understand love.

Liberal-Democrats see a black and white world. Self-centered and self-serving, they see what they want to see, and all others can happily drop dead.

As Obsessive thinkers, Liberal-Democrats are consumed with their own fantastic thoughts of a perfect world - Created in their own image, where all decisions are theirs.

A group of Kim Jong-Il's.

A Liberal in a Conservative Era?
While I think that Ms. Zito makes alot of valid points, I challenge the idea that Obama is a liberal in a conservative era.

For one thing, the political center has shifted to the left. For another, outside of the poorest, whitiest and least educated parts of the country, the Democrats gained support across the board, even in states where McCain won the electoral vote.

I think the fact that the American people voted for a political newcomer over one of the few true heros in American politics shows you just how desperate people here are for a new direction. For example one out of five Republicans who voted for Bush in 2004 voted for Obama in 2008. While Bush easily carried Salt Lake County in 2004, Mccain barely won there in 2008. While Bush handily won Dallas County Texas in 2004, Obama took the county in 2008. That said, it is hard to say we live in a conservative era.

Hope Is All We Have.
Uncle Sam was once rich and could help everybody. But times have changed. He now has to accept the burden of supporting over fifty million blind, lame, feeble, and unemployed Americans. That burden will cost over a trillion dollars annually. Uncle Sam cannot do it alone. This enormous task has to be shared by all of its citizens. Wealthy Americans have over 75 trillion dollars in assets. They would have to bear the brunt of the burden. It would be wonderful if sunny days would shortly return but there is nothing but storm clouds on the horizon. Hope is here because we all can survive by holding hands, tightening our belts and riding out these stormy years.



larry22: Yup! "... the democrats, in one

month have our nation's economy so over extended..."

And, Pres. Bush made Bozo do it! Really!

Just ask them!

They'll be happy to tell you, Pres. Bush MADE Bozo and the demo Congress spend all this pork!

Oh, actually, you don't have to ask. They've been whining about it for weeks. :-)


Anne
Maybe Obama can next say "The devil made me do it!"


I think Obama set a new record. In less than a month he outspent Bush's entire 8 years and this is only the beginning. Maybe we should send him a trophy.

Oh and his now touted new mantra..."I'm going to cut the deficit in half in four years!" Get ready for the repeat of the Carter years. Oh joy!

And to think we thought JFK made rookie mistakes....

OH BTW LIBTARDS!
You can blame Bush for the spending, and you can let Obama blame Bush if you want, but the truth is out there. Obama came from the Senate and was spending with the best of them and bringing home the bacon as well.

Come Monday morning the Honeymoon will officially be over, I guarantee it.

Ranger29, your post says....
something. But, like Obama, you continue to say nothing. In the end, your post is a poorly disguised argumentum ad hominem:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Your wrote:
"Larry you just keep making nutter
statements.
Bush (remember him) DOUBLED the national debt (at least)...and with less then a month in office it is Obama's fault.
oh comeon...you folks were willing to blame Clinton for 9/11 after Bush had been in office for 8 months.
Try a little consistency.
Robert"

Ranger29, the terrorist, in 1993, under Clinton, attacked the World Trade Center, attempting to bring it down. Terrorist had the entire 8 years of Clinton to plan and implement their second WTC attack after Bush had been in officer 8 months. Remember democrats blocked and obstructed his appointments at every turn.

Anne, remember, Obama and democrats...
...pushed Bush to do more bailouts before he left office. Blaming Bush is wearing thin. Makes Obama and democrats look like opportunitistic amateurs, not ready for primetime ... but that's what they are. The public will loose confidence in both, soon.

Obama will become a symbol representing worst than the worst "more fu*ked up than Carter." Years from now people will be saying during elections, "we've already been Cartered ... we don't won't to get Obama-ed, again! Just reading about him makes my but% hurt, again!"


In a month
Seven years of financing a war, the recovery of the worst natural diaster handling by elitist elected officials, and 911 recovery plus the first stimulus all did not equal to the first spending bill of the Obama administration. The democrat and liberal stimulus package passed the first month of this administration will guarantee oppression of minorities, murder of babies by the choice of abortion, financing of black genocide of Planned Parenthood and others. Protection of those facilitating black genocide, infantcide, rape, incest and its cover-up, through grants, earmarks, and other public funding mechanisms. race baiting organizations of hate, gay coalitions of terror, ministries of babel and confusion all benefit from the murder mills.

Ranger29...Obama bin Biden ...
... er ... Osama bin Laden I am sure, is finally happy in his dark, damp, cold cave. The good-ole days of a democrat in the White House are here, again! Who do you think would win the terrorist opinion poll ... Bush or Obama? Why?

Lolo1: You're absolutely right...

It's amazing to even TRY to put this in perspective...

If you spent $1million per DAY since the day Jesus was born to TODAY, you still would would not have spent what Marxist Bozo and his Marxist dems are spending.

Stunning!

"Maybe we should send him a trophy."

How about everyone ... EVERYONE... send him a bag of pork rinds and/or pigs ears (easily obtained in any pet store.)

That visual just cracks me up! HA HA HA

Yeah, get ready for the repeat of the Carter years, on STEROIDS!

"JFK made rookie mistakes....?"

Last week a few friends were JOKING about how, if we have to have a dem in the White House, much they miss the dem days of Clinton.

How BAD does it have to be before people JOKE about how good the Clinton days were in comparison???


Actually, THIS has NOTHING TO DO with the economy or stimulus, or anything OTHER THAN putting this country on the fast track to Marxism.

NOTHING! That's ALL this is about!





The Good News.......
"On a personal level, Nixon did not like people; O'bummer does."

The Bad News: O'bummer likes us so much we will be told by him what is best for us and who to hate and disparage.

Ranger iq 29
If we were to have a stupid tax, you and hal could pay off the entire deficit.

I've been reading your crap for a long time and I just wondered how you type with your head up your a##.

RANGER 29
What a sick scumbag! You are glad Cheney went out in a wheelchair! They say what's in the well, comes up in the bucket;your well must be a cesspool!

Ranger29, your are exactly right
You've pointed out more things democrats and Osama bin Laden have in common. Next, Obama bin Biden's non-energy policy will have all of us back living in damp, deep caves! If we fart Algore will tax us!

The Good News.......
"De Oppresso Liber" "Molon labe"

The Bad News: Part 1; In a democrazy if the demonicRATs say it it ain't oppression, it ain't.

Part 2; They will. Armed with righteous fever and all the weapons you tax money provides.

Ranger 29
You see what this guys like;he's makin fun of you and he's laughing his rear off doing it. Aren't you Robert? Either that,or he's a commie!

Incredibly Naive
This column is incredibly naive for a column on Town Hall. She and Kathleen Parker must be soul mates with their eyes wide shut.

If anyone still doubts that 'something wicked this way comes" then read the profile of Barack Obama I compiled before the election. Click on my name and then click on 'A Vet Looks at Barack Obama".

While there read Ali Sina's 'Understanding Obama: The Making of a Fuehrer". And listen to Yuri Bezmenov's 1985 interview about ideological subversion. Then look at the 'Big Picture' under Affiliations.

A book I'm reading now is "The Shadow Party" by David Horowitz and Richard Poe. Just reading the introduction is an eye opener. Barack Obama has been staged and managed by George Soros and Bill Ayers. That is, if he isn't Islamic himself and just playing them for suckers.

My favorite site for staying current with Islamic Jihad within the United States and throughout the world is Pamela Geller's Atlas Shrugs. She is also an excellent resource for learning more about Barack Obama.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

Enigma!
Zito...,you have nailed it! Barry Dunham is an enigma!

We have a President who did not grow up in the U.S.A..

Americans are lazy when it comes to PATRIOTISM.We leave all that hokey stuff to our elected leaders. We pay them well to exhibit Uncle Sam corn.

We need our leaders to wear the flag pin. We need our leaders to show up at Memorial Day Parades. We need our leaders to bring their families to the local Fourth of July doings. That is their job.If they do it...,we don"t have to.

Well....,now we have the leader we deserve. We have a President with no sense of country.

"We have met the enemy.....,and he is us." POGO

We now have a leader who NEVER experienced pride of country.He is the stereotypical "Man without a country".

When Barry finally DID come back to the U.S.A. he settled in Hawaii. Hmmmm....,that's not exactly a state that revels in July 4th. parades.He does not get this country because he never experienced this country.

Barry is an observer.He is remote. We are in trouble.

STAN:The sad part is, we're ALL laughing

our butts off at IQ29.

I know it's not nice; IQ29 isn't exactly "all there" if you know what I mean. He's both mentally and emotionally "challenged."


But he just sets himself up for it!



Ranger29 ... I just figured it out...
...you're speaking liberalese. You're talking a dialect of "democrat" as shown in this video clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPc9xG1sajI

When you are replying to my comments, you are, in fact, projecting yourself onto me. For example, Ranger29, when you wrote this:

"Larry along with other problems
you must not comprehend things well...
thats ok make it up as you go...you fit right in with the WMD crowd."

A translation of your use of "liberalese" suggest this is what you are, in fact, saying:

Larry, I am a man of many problems, many passions, desires and grossed out habits. My name is Ranger29 and I am a powerless kool-aid addict. After a night of drinking too much kool-aid I pass out looking like this, a drink democrat after a pork spending spree:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/18/new-york-post-chim p-carto_n_167841.html

Ranger29, I am beginning to understand you better!

larry22 & Bill: IQ29 isn't worth

bothering with... He's just a demented little twit.

He's the ONLY poster whose posts are ROUTINELY pulled... and I mean ALL his posts from ALL the threads... every morning.. Mon. - Fri. at 0800hrs.

And, every now and then, TH pulls his posts during the weekend... kind of a little surprise.

:-)

Of course, he doesn't address that! Ha Ha Ha


Hey, larry22 & Bill: Do you want to see

IQ29's RESUME?

It's a hoot! But I have to warn you, if you want to see it, you have to promise to NOT have a drink in your hand... you'll spew it all over your computer....


Anne, thanks for the tip...
...playing with Ranger29 it has been fun ... but time consuming! (I ... kinda ... hope ... I ... haven't hurt his feelings with my humor.)

Zito's premise . . .
that Dems can legitimately end the debate by simply saying "the policies of the past 8 years got us here" is incorrect. Unless, of course, you assume Obama's whole "Hope and Change" and "failed policies" platform was a charade, which of course it was.

cactushead
Location: AZ
Reply # 72
Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 1:30 PM EST
obviously you are impressed with losers who need affirmative action to gain admittance to jobs or schools they can't qualify for."

Hey my little name caller attack my ethnic background all you like but answer the question: What have you done with your life? Come on tell us. I picture you in stained jockeys huddled in a corner of your very old house trailer. But hey I could be wrong... so do tell. Oh it is ok to take the plastic off your furniture

"...But then we look at your postings and realize that you.... your superiors until even they couldn't stomach you"

LMAO come on what did you do little fella?

"...I wonder wehen the fool will realize being president isn't license for living large, but then he is just your typical black ..."

You are a very sad bitter racist. Do you survive on a government payment of sometime? Come on big mouth; climb into TR ring and play instead of cowering behind a key board

"... you who know he is just an affirmative action president and held to the typical liberal standard for blacks. Give them jobs they are unqualified to do"

I suspect you don't have a job my what a bitter hatefilled little man. Sad very sad

Hal Donahue
I'm very proud of you today!

You continue to insult and put posters down, but at least today you tried to stay with some points. (Wrongly, of course, but at least you tried.)

But best of all, if I count correctly, you used LOL and LMAO only once today!


cactushead
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 6:35 PM EST
...you certainly do a lot of projecting about others. But then again you need only look at your own life and your own family.,,,"

LOL my family is doing very well thank you. Do you even have one?

"...You seem to think others actually give a rat's rearnd about who or what you claim to be."

Not true it is you silly fools obcessing on that LOL Why I can hardly imagine. I mean heck I have even picked up a stalker from here LMAO

"...But like all lefties anyone who doesn't drink the messiah's koolaid is always a racist..."

Oh no your constant harping on affirmative action pegs you as a racist. Don't hide come on out... Fact is if you have grand children they very will could be brown. Who cares?

"...But losers like you and your messiah, old flap ears think you are entitled to what they can't earn."

Oh he earned and earned the hard way. Me? Heck I am just Joe average you come after me and you are laughable LOL

"..The messiah has not earned the respect or trust of those of us on the right. But losers like you will twist their panties in knots to defend him."

LOL Respect from the extreme right???? Laughable that implies the extreme right itself is worthy of respect which is laughable just look at Rev Phelleps

"...Guess it must make you feel good about yourself that you get paid to tell others how much you hate america and it's hard working citizens..."

First point YOU not I hate American values. Second, I refuse funding

"...But many of us here already have you and those other losers like you figured out..."

Come on change the jockeys at least

Get ready for MORE! It just gets better

and better.........

Obama Decrees: Massive Immigration of Hamas Refugees from Gaza

http://loudobbsradio.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=406&PN=2

"Obama has signed a presidential determination allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to resettle in the United States. Sure, what can go wrong when we allow hundreds of thousands of people who have been, as Mark Steyn memorably described, "marinated" in a "sick death cult," who voted for Hamas, and 55% of whom support suicide bombings live here and at the American taxpayers' expense:

"By executive order, on January 27, (Federal Register on February 4) Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in urgent migration assistance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza to resettle in the United States.

"Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006 at US taxpayers expense."




SOMEBODY BETTER TAKE BOZO'S EXEC. ORDER PEN AWAY FROM THIS ROGUE WANNABE PRES!!!

And remember, less than 48 HOURS after

Bozo's costly coronation, using his newly acquired Emperor (Exec.) Order pen, he signed an order to close Gitmo.

After all but Murtha was saying, "Not in my backyard..." one of Bozo's spokespersons was trotted out to admit... and I QUOTE.....

"… he hasn't yet fully explored the potentially negative consequences ... it is more complicated than it first appeared."


THIS IS THE ROGUE PRES. WHO IS MAKING THESE DECISIONS!

Husker2: Now be nice to doofass...

We all know that he's pretty well demented, has an IQ of about 60, and his emotional development of a 3rd grader.


And besides that, he's trying to deal with the fact that his messiah is really a scum bag and a Marxist...

It can't be easy! :-( Whaa whaa whaaa....





Anne
Have you noticed how IQ29 has begun hedging his bets? Almost every time he mentions the Pork Bill,he adds the caveat "I don't think it will work,but".

Then when it all falls apart,he can say"I never thought it would work,but I hoped it would".

Same as when he pretended to be for McCain. He never was. Just hoped to agitate some of us who did not like McCain as our candidate.

Rowly: I hadn't noticed the Pork Bill

part... but it wouldn't surprise me. What a toad!

And I just read that apparently he's now saying that he's requested TH delete his posts every day so there is no record of his posts...

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA


What a flaming idiot. I'm in touch with the mod EVERY DAY! Sometimes several times a day...

Liberals Sold Our Freedom

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free." -- Sir Edward Gibbon (1737-1794)

Barack Obama and his minions sold our freedom for $13 dollars a week.

Heck! I Am Just Hal Average !!!

Average what, Hal?

BTW: What is a "rearnd"?

A "rearnd" sounds like the noise that one of my neighbor's cats makes when she is getting ... eh ... um ... aw-um ... well, just use your imagination.

I know that you are looking to pick up a stalker and haven't had any takers. While I certainly don't want to "get in bed with fleas", I will send your, Unsinkable Molly Brown, remake to ya!

Anne
Yeah,he almost always says...."I don't think it will work"....look back on some of his posts.

He asked the moderators to delete his posts?...OMG...what does he have in that head for brains?

He is good for a few laughs,though. Just goes to show it takes all kinds....

I have noticed he talks about nuts a lot. think he has a problem?

Belly Up To The Bar, Boys!

Now, we have competing National Anthems. We get "Rebel Yell" with no "More! More! More!" Libtards, whiners and losers get "Belly Up To The Bar, Boys!" with "The Bar" being the governmental teat.

Belly up, belly up to the govt. bar boys!

Better loosen your belts, so you can take more, more, more in govt. welfare and morgage money.

Only drink when you’re all alone (Heads Up!, Hal!).

Or with somebody else, like the freaky Queen of Plastic Surgery, Pelosi, or just plain Queen, like Fwank.

Belly up, belly up to the bar boys, suck up for some more Obamanation Kook-Aid.

Better have 666 more!

And never whirl with a socialist three-toed girl,

Or a discontented whore(ible) community organizer.

Example, like a girl whose name was Kerry, who carried his harms in windsurfing arms to everybody else,

But him you had to marry so he would carry your cries for retreat.

Or die, die, die in the "Great Wrong War" Pigmire.

You had to marry Harry "Fantasy Rail" Reid.

Or die, die, die in the "Congressional" Pig Sty.

Belly up, belly up to the teat bar boys and get your Wagyu beef!

Let your money be seen by Rangel and taken by Dodd.

Only drink by day or night or somewhere in Scranton in between.

Belly up, belly up to the Gore bar boys!

Very good for frying your mind in his global warming world.

A-both feet on the rails or teat up after falling off the stool.

But, you had to marry Obama.

Or die, die, die in the “Great Depression” Pig Sty.

You got to wed Baracka.

"Yes, We Can!!!" became “Die, Die, Die!!!” in the Porkulous Pig Sty.

Hal's "unsinkable" because O believes it's just too "unthinkable" to allow Hal to fail.


For the rest of you, buckle up! It's going to be a bumpy ride.

Rowly & Anne


"And I just read that apparently he's now saying that he's requested TH delete his posts every day so there is no record of his posts..."

CUT, PASTE, AND SAVE.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Denise, Rowly, and Anne:
Who's more demented, the Doofass or Pocket Rocket Ranger Robbie?

Denise & Anne
We need a court jester to entertain us. One who has been everywhere and done everything.

I can just see him in his little court jester outfit,jumping around like they did for the King & Queen in olden times.

Deputy

IQ -29 IN THE TIN FOIL HAT. HANDS DOWN.


HAL IS JUST BELOW-AVERAGE HAL.

Tonight, before IQ -29 disappears into that TH undisclosed location, maybe the two of them can discuss:

#1) GITMO MEETS GENEVA CONVENTION STANDARDS ACCORDING TO O'S PENTAGON. DETAINEES ARE STILL THERE.

#2) BAGHRAM AFB DETAINEES WERE DENIED CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS BY THEIR BOSSY-BOSS.

#3) HRC IS GOING TO FORGET ABOUT THE TORTURE AND HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES IN CHINA SO THAT THE COUNTRY WILL WORK WITH THE GOIA GOVERNMENT ON GLOBULL WARMING - CLIMATE CHANGE - GLOBULL COOLING.

I could go on, but Hal's had a few too many to understand and IQ -29 is awaiting a phantom jet airdrop of new aluminum foil.

ExRCSD Deputy
I think the may be the Bobsey Twins.

I disagree
I don't believe Obama likes people -- he likes people to worship him that's not the same thing.

And one of Nixon's one redeeming personal qualities would be his dislike of people -- honestly a great many people are thoroughly unlikeable.

The other thing is that Obama's decisions thus far are fundamentally changing the nation basically without debate. Not to mention endangering us all.

Anne just posted in another thread that by EO Obama has set up millions of dollars to take into the U.S. thousands Hamas sympathizers if not actual members. He, also closed Gitmo with no idea what to do with all the terrorists he will eventually have to free. Then there are his plans to send more troops into Afghanistan while at the same time he ost the base in Kyrgystan and tacitly has approved of surrendering part of Pakistan to the Taliban.

He's either an idiot or wants to kill Americans.

cactushead
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 7:30 PM EST
... You seem tyo think that we pay attention to you. The fact remains you are a clown who contributes nothing to the discussion..."

You do silly thing LMAO Now about you and your dirty jockeys...

"....But it seems you are lying as well. You have numerous times bragged about getting paid by huffpuff."

NEVER I do here and huffpuff as community service. Now tell us about little old you. You attack Obama for doing nothing with his life... TELL US WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH YOUR LIFE! I mean it has to be VERY impressive for you to make "fun" of someone who is president. Who is your agent? I cannot wait to see all the superb accomplishment of none other than CACTUSHEAD the flounder

Its time to break the pendulum
Americans must stop the cycle created by divisiveness and demonizing. Unfortunately they have succumbed to the party that uses it even if its detrimental to the country to hide their true agenda.

For two years we will see a massive attempt to fulfill the prophecy of depression caused by capitalism and conservatism, liberal judges dotting the country side and illegals given amnesty in time for Nov 2010 even though Americans stood united against the shamnesty just two years ago. Special interests like unions and academia and minority groups will be funded to make sure the majority stays dim.

We do outnumber them but they've got the sham president fully tefloned by the fawning minions. It will require a well stipulated platform and district by district organization to stop them. If they were as progressive and idealistic as they say they would use their power positively, taking the best of fiscal conservatism and add it to their bill showing bi-partisanship. Empowerment that would show they're part of the solutions and not part of the problem.

Instead they've chosen to use the lefty hammer down method and have been exposed. Rahm Capone said he didn't want to waste a crisis but in the 24/7 news cycle today its already over. Now we just have to get people to listen.

"...MORE COMPLICATED...THEN APPEARED"..?
THIS IS MADNESS.

ANY CHILD COULD HAVE SEEN THAT IT MIGHT BE MORE COMPLICATED THEN IT SEEMED.

INEXPERIENCE.

ARROGANCE.

PRIDE.

GODLIKE WORSHIP.

--THIS IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.

IT IS COMING.

ROWDY BOOTS

Facing Reality
Obama's speech on election night was most likely the best he will ever give. It signaled unity even though he had been one of the most divisive of candidates which begs the question, "Am I included in this so-called union?"

His inauguration speech was far from unifying and his stance on spending the country into bankruptcy is kind of like his campaign (which is the mode he still seems to be in).

Instead of "Did I mention he's black?" which was used ad nauseam we now get, "Hey, we won."
Not a very positive note to say the least.


cactushead
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 8:57 PM EST
cactushead
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 7:30 PM EST
... You seem tyo think that we pay attention to you. The fact remains you are a clown who contributes nothing to the discussion..."

Fine but come out, come out wherever you are... I am sick and tired of weak silly dudes playing tough guy _ put up or shut up you silly creature

indyconantidim
"Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 9:29 PM EST
Facing Reality
Obama's speech on election night was most likely the best he will ever give. It signaled unity even though he had been one of the most divisive of candidates which begs the question, "Am I included in this so-called union?"

LOL come on where and how make a sensible comment.. you can do it

"...His inauguration speech was far from unifying and his stance on spending the country into bankruptcy is kind of like his campaign (which is the mode he still seems to be in)..."

No bankruptcy you already put us there with the failed last regime

"...Instead of "Did I mention he's black?" which was used ad nauseam we now get, "Hey, we won."
Not a very positive note to say the least..."

Do you think your grandchildren will have children of colour? I do

Is Obama Opening Floodgates To Hamas? 1
YouTube video of Palestinians celebrating the fall of the Twin Towers on Sep. 11, 2001

Palestinians celebrating the fall of the twin towers.. ... 1:11. eHow. watch in normal quality watch in high quality. Rate:. 202 ratings ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k -
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Posted by: Brigitte Gabriel | 02/12/2009 10:55 AM
http://www.redcounty.com/sarasota/2009/02/is-obama-opening- floodgates-to/

Two weeks ago President Obama issued a little-noticed presidential memorandum that has profound ramifications for our national security.

Under the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962, President Obama authorized $20.3 million to aid Palestinian refugees in the Gaza Strip, which includes aid to help them "migrate."

Given that Arab countries in the Middle East don't want the Palestinians settling in their countries, Obama's action begs an obvious question: Where will these Palestinian "refugees" migrate to? Since tens of thousands of Muslim refugees have gained expedited entry to the U.S. over the past few years under our refugee acts, it is not unreasonable to assume that at least some of these Palestinians will end up migrating...here.

Who are these people? Let's not forget that the Palestinians elected the terrorist organization Hamas to govern them. Observers of the culture of the Gaza Strip describe it as a culture of hate and a breeding ground for terrorism. You may recall the video we emailed you last month showing Palestinian children being trained to be terrorists and used as human shields.

Is Obama Opening Floodgates To Hamas? 2

The article below asks the question, "What security measures are in place to keep Hamas terrorists from gaining free access into the U.S.?"

We would take that a step further. What security measures could possibly be sufficient to ensure that every Palestinian "refugee" who migrates to the U.S. is not a Hamas terrorist, or at least a Hamas sympathizer?

$20.3 Million to aid refugees
Obama opening floodgates by inviting Hamas to "migrate" to the U.S.A.?

By Judi McLeod & Michael Travis Thursday, February 5, 2009

On his first official day in the White House, President Barack Obama was on the horn to President Mahmoud Abbas.

"The spokesman for President Abbas revealed that Mr. Obama had told the Palestinian leader that their conversation was his first with a foreign statesman since taking office." (TimesOnLine Jan. 22, 2009).,

Is Obama Opening Floodgates To Hamas? 3

Some thought that first call to the leader of the Palestinian authority was for spite. Others for statesman like reasons, still others for appeasement.

Given that a clip from Al-Jazeera televised Hamas-controlled Palestinians "burning up the phone bank from Gaza" to rally support for his presidential campaign, perhaps the telephone call was made out of gratitude.

Seven days later on January 27, President Obama signed Presidential Determination No. 2009-15, which allocates $20.3 million for Palestinian migration and refugee assistance.

Today a memo sent by President Obama to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton seems to invite Hamas to "migrate" into the United States of America.

The presidential determination covers the "Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related to Gaza."

"By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the "Act"), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2 (c) (1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza. (Italics CFP's).

Is Obama Opening Floodgates To Hamas? 4

"You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register," President Obama instructs the new Secretary of State.

Two days before Obama's inauguration, Israel began pulling its troops out of Gaza.

One week after his inauguration, President Obama designated $20.3 million to the Palestinians in Gaza.

What security measures are in place to keep Hamas terrorists from gaining free access into the U.S.?

"Is President Obama opening the floodgates and inviting Hamas to "migrate" to the U.S.A.?
Judi McLeod is an award-winning journalist with 30 years experience in the print media. A former Toronto Sun columnist, she also worked for the Kingston Whig Standard. Her work has appeared on Newsmax.com, Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and Glenn Beck.

Michael Travis is an Intelligence analyst who has written for defence journals in the U.K., Europe, and Israel. He is currently a senior analyst for a U.S. based corporation.
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"I shall stand with the Muslims, should the winds begin to shift in an evil direction."
--Barack Hussein Obama

Now now Ex Deputy
Let's show proper respect for the newly promoted RearEnd Admiral Wobbie, who by the way is not listed in the Congressional Record, or Navy Times, as having been promoted.

We all KNOW that if he'd been promoted it would be in the CR since EVERYTHING Congress does is public record.

The Dems In Power
"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do."

Hey Harold! You
are truly an amazing fellow. You regularly come to Townhall spewing your Huffpo inspired nonsense which never contributes anything meaningful to the discussion. Every day you come, you are ridiculed and insulted and no one shows you any respect.
How does it feel to have your tuchus handed to you each time you visit big guy? You really must crave attention regardless of where it is coming from. I bet your proctologist has a standing office appointment for you.
BTW! The Big O has placed a gag order on the Pentagon. No one is to divulge any information pertaining to the DOD budget.
Also the Big O, Harry, and San Fran Nan, are conspiring to tax the coal industry for Green House Gas emissions. This has the potenial of either bankrupting the industry or resulting in a dramatic increase in the cost of electricity.
So much for transparency.

I suppose congratulations are in order on your promotion to "bird" in the Civilized Air Patrol. Go for it big guy.


Pragmatic socialist
Final Analysis
There is too much evidence from the lessons of history, and current circumstances, that spending and taxing too much leads you to economic ruin, and socialism. The dems simply do not care that we are headed in that direction, and that the federal bureaucracy is gaining too much power. In fact, it is a conscious and planned course of action on their part. As a result, we will be a socialist country, and we will all lose more and more freedom. Instead of being the last great hope of the world, we will be another mediocre nation run by a ruling class that dictates every aspect of our lives. Since our children's future have been borrowed and spent because we can not sacrifice like prior generations, we will have to answer to our Lenders, like China, which will eventually dictate terms. We will have to turn a blind eye to their attacks on free people, so they do not bankrupt us.
President Reagan and President Kennedy democrats are all gone. We are left with irresponsibility, selfishness and beggars. "Ask not what you country can do for you...", no longer exists. The great experiment of freedom started by The Founding Fathers will soon be no more. The power to tax is the power to destroy. The power to spend more than you have is the power to bankrupt.


Ranger29
Ranger29
Location: TX
Reply # 1
Date: Feb 22, 2009 - 10:48 PM EST cactushead...come on try and
do a coherent comment not just name calling.

As my sister in law (who flies for USAir but is merging into Am West) is fond of saying "on a cactus the pricks on the outside".
_____________________________________________

On a RumpRanger, where's the prick?

On the inside?

OnceaMarine
I haven't been too observant today, so I missed the *aid to Palestinians* U referred to. that's very troubling to me inasmuch as we know which Country normally welcomes the *refugees*
It wouldn't be so bad if there would be at least a cursory Background check, but We have more than enough problems without our very own Hammas Hillbillies!!.. Not a very good joke??
I've been yellin at Byrd/Rockefeller for 2 weeks now, but I get only "Ack of Receipt" in return..Don't even get that on e-mail CHEERS

Someone wrote this:
"Obama, argued that infants surviving an abortion should be allowed to satisfy the original decision to abort them."

That is the biggest bold face lie I have ever heard.

Please quote or link to Obama aruging this stance from a REPUTABLE source.

Oh wait you can't? Right because you and/or Jill Stanek have to blatantly lie in order to further your agenda.

Obama's Verbal Opposition to Born Alive
s
Location: CA
Reply # 1
Date: Feb 23, 2009 - 1:11 AM EST Someone wrote this:
"Obama, argued that infants surviving an abortion should be allowed to satisfy the original decision to abort them."

That is the biggest bold face lie I have ever heard.
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Before you call somebody a lie...read Obama's words for yourself!! It's all their on pages 84-85 of the first link!!

This is your hero...a lover of INFANTICIDE.

Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to 2001-Born Alive Infant Protection Act, Senate Bill 1095, on the Illinois Senate floor, March 30, 2001, pages 84-90

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pd f


Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to 2002-Born Alive Infant Protection Act, Senate Bill 1662, April 4, 2002, pages 28-35
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pd f

Interestingly, the Chicago Sun-Times, on August 25, 2004, printed on page 49, a cartoon by Jack Higgins, pictorially admonishing Barack Hussein Obama for his opposition to Born Alive, proving that, once again, information about Obama, while being politically sensitive, is not reported when it may be damaging to Democrat political ambition.

The Mainstream press has been, and will continue to pretend ignorance of any & all information about the Lone Stranger, while trying to do all they can to propel this Marxist devil to the top job in the country.

His elevation to the Presidency serves their evil ambitions as much as it does his, and they will stoop to anything to get a stranglehold on the American people and to subvert the traditional values of our Constitution.

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness..."--Romans 1:18

s
s
Location: CA
Reply # 169
Date: Feb 23, 2009 - 1:11 AM EST Someone wrote this:
"Obama, argued that infants surviving an abortion should be allowed to satisfy the original decision to abort them."

That is the biggest bold face lie I have ever heard."
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Don't let the TRUTH get in the way of your blind ignorance as to what YOU and others like you have wrought on our nation with your uninformed and blind following Barack Hussein Obama...

You with your American Idol mentality and sycophantic ravings of "Yes we can, Yes we can!"

Idiot.

S:CA
It is painful to see your blind adoration of the Messiah prompting you to call others who criticize Obama’s viewpoints liars and demanding they give you a cite for true statements about him that you call lies.
You are responsible for your own ignorance, willful as it appears, and for correcting it. Remember, ignorance is curable by knowledge; stupidity is incurable and terminal.
Try checking Obama’s position on legislation in the IL Congress when he was an IL Senator voting “present” a record number of times. Or search online for media reports and Obama’s platform positions, his “campaign rhetoric” as he has called it in asking all to put it behind us as well as “childish things.” There are several different media formats reporting on Obama’s position on putting out to die newborns who lived through failed abortions; some of the most powerful are youtube vids of nurses testifying about the IL legislation.
For you or anyone else to attempt arguing Obama is pro-life vs. Pro-death is ludicrous. Not only has he advocated “putting out” but he also said at the Saddleback Forum his knowing when life began was “above [his] pay grade.” In other venues he said he did not want his daughters punished by an unwanted pregnancy, meaning abortion is always an option.


S: CA - 2
It is people like you who elected Obama when with just a little openmindedness, intellect, curiosity and research, reading and listening skills you could have known the truth about Obama and his “exotic background” as he described his whole life (p. 120) up to the point of his autobiographical book, The Audacity Of Hope, title taken from a sermon by Wright in the Trinity United Church of Christ where Obama sat he was saved, he and his wife married, his children baptized, and he heard no rants from Wright in 20 years.
That church, according to its own website before the website was changed after Wright and Obama were exposed, honored W.E.B. DuBois, a self-confessed Communist, and Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam, who called Obama the “Messiah.”
I doubt you have read or even seen Obama’s books, Audacity or Dreams From My Father. Although way too late I suggest you and others like you read them and weep if you have reading skills, a heart, soul and mind.
It might also be helpful for you to check out the Howar Stern, Zogby/Ziegler, Leno street interviews around the time of the '08 election, American Civics Literacy Test scores and Dr. Lyle Rossiter's book documenting the mental illness of Liberals. Also the WalMart Stampede pix and video of those braying at the Goldmans outside the OJ sentencing courtroom.

One Month of Pres. Barack Hussein Obama

The "transparent" presidency of Barack Hussein Obama. The man who commits act of treason daily, with a backdrop of more and more American flags.

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration assistance to the Palestinian refugeesand conflict victims in Gaza.

The "presidential determination" which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.

President Obama's decision, according to the Register, was necessitated by "the urgent refugee and migration needs" of the "victims."

Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.

Let's review some of Barack Obama's most recent actions since he was inaugurated a little more than one month ago:

•His first call to any head of state as president was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory.

•His first one on one interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television.

•He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted.

•He ordered all overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.

•He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and 9/11.

•Today we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to and live in the US at American taxpayer expense.

Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

A presidency that is "transparent" to some, remains hidden from the blind eyes and empty minds of others.

Cadidiot Hal & All Who Engaged Him
Thanks Hal. I had almost forgotten what a persistent, dumb pest you are. Your 19 posts to this thread and the fact that 16 other posters, now 17 did not agree with you and 3 of your posts were ignored in the now 36 posts involving you were enough to convince me of the truth – you are a persistent, dumb pest.
Also the stats – 21% of the total 172 posts at the time of this writing - were enough to encourage me to violate my commitment to ignore you forever. Like a bad student in school you are taking up too much space, time, energy and effort here. It is time for you now to go to time-out discipline until you learn something, including how to behave as a decent, civilized human being.
I see you did not take me on by responding to my one, two-post entry here, Multi-front War, #s 93 and 95 in correct sequence. That pleased me also because it is clear you do not have what it takes to deal with one superior to you in all ways. Hal, all who engaged you are superior to you. Please recognize that, shut up, go away and never post here again. Stick with HuffPo or wherever else you are accepted as a Lib Dem Obamaniac full of his Kool-Aid and a smelly, brown substance.
I suggest further, Hal, that you study the Howard Stern, Zogby/Ziegler, Leno street interviews, American Civics Literacy Test scores, Dr. Lyle Rossiter’s book documenting Liberalism as a mental disorder, the WalMart Stampede pix and video of those braying at the Goldman’s outside the OJ sentencing courtroom. You are a poster child for all those works.
To all who have engaged Cadidiot Hal here in Townhall at any time, I suggest you: 1) Scan his nonsense posts for clear examples of loony Liberal behaviors. He exhibits all of them including their lying, spinning, twisting, silly giggling, insane laughter, lack of common decency, and willful ignorance going to stupidity. 2) Flag as Offensive as many of his posts as possible; all of his posts are offensive. (cont.)

Cadidiot Hal & All Who Engaged Him-2
Perhaps Cadidiot Hal will go away even as dumb as he is. We are, however, in a period of Liberals and Liberalism Unleashed, Unhinged as usual, and Running Amok. This too shall pass. Obama and his are guaranteeing that. If I wanted to see Hal and his fail again I would ask him and them to meet the challenge of naming and being prepared to defend one thing Obama has done right on or since January 20. Few have tried, all have failed so far, and I expect no change in that track record nor Obama’s.
This is my final shot in your fat belly, Cadidiot, for I know to hit you in the head would be a waste of time, as with an alligator who has a quarter-size brain regardless of it being full grown and big.

Did Obama even read it?
Did Obama even read it? Did his advisors? Like NO!!! Maybe the advisors to the advisors read some of it? No wonder the US is headed for depression with that presidential circus in Washington. He has taken a crisis and turned it into a catastrophe. Give us back Jimmy Cater instead. Jimmy, we thought you were the chief clown, but given the goose currently in the white house, all is forgiven.

Ronald
Your numerical analysis provides solid example of how the trolls jam up a thread. Please folks, just don't respond. It just plays into their hands. Their objectives are to waste your time, to tempt you into excess, to make the whole site look like a mindless exchange of epithets. Please don't get hooked into supporting their agenda.

larry22: MI
I believe Obama’s plan is to cripple the U.S. economy so badly that we will welcome with open arms rescue by the Arab Muslim and other oil-reserve and-producing countries. Here is my logic for that belief at least in part:
1. We are overextended already in borrowing from China.
2. Our “transfer of wealth” as it has been called has been to the countries from which we acquire oil while not exploring or exploiting our own probable and known oil reserves or really developing workable alternative sources of energy to take care of our needs. All this is obstructed by, diddled with and presently controlled by Obama and Liberal Democrats in Congress.
3. Obama was born and raised a Muslim during his “formative years” as he described them – age 6-10 as the son, according to his unwed at the time knocked up by someone, teenage mother, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., a Kenyan Muslim and Communist, never a U.S. citizen, Lolo Sotero, Obama’s (Barry, Barack Hussein Obama Sotero;s) Indonesian Muslim stepfather and some say his real father, a Communist in Hawaii. (This may explain the extent to which Obama has gone to conceal his real birth certificate and other documents that could and would prove or disprove beyond any doubt his U.S. citizenship and Constitutional eligibility to run for let alone serve as POTUS.) (cont.)


larry: MI - 2
4. Regardless of all that, Obama by his own admissions has been influenced by Socialists, Communists, Black Separatists, U.S. hating terrorists and Muslims. [Please see his two autobiographies – The Audacity of Hope and Dreams From My Father – his “campaign rhetoric, “ much of it proven to be lies, as he has called it asking all to put it and “childish things” aside, the website of Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago from which Audacity, title of a Wright sermon, where Obama says he was for 20 years hearing no Wright rants nor knowing the church honored W.E.B. DuBois, a self-confessed Communist and Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam who called Obama “the Messiah,” Obama’s IL and U.S. Senate records, history of education and work for ACORN, part time lecturing, all with no peer-reviewed academic writing nor articles in the Harvard Law Review of which he was President in evidence, the more than three dozen lawsuits from that many states and separate filers challenging Obama’s eligibility as POTUS, the responses of Obama, his campaign, now Presidential staff and high-priced lawyers he has hired, (cont.)

larry: MI - 3
Obama’s Exec Orders on Gitmo and terrorist prisoner’s trials or release, Obama’s love letter to Iran’s Ahmadinejad, overtures to Muslims in apology for all of us and the U.S. on Arab TV, dispatch of envoys around the world, e.g., Europe, the Middle East and Asia, including Indonesia, Libya’s Qadafi published speech in which he said Obama is a Muslim, one of us and we can work with him about the time of the ’08 election, re-emerging of Qadafi as head of an Africa coalition and aspiration to be President of the United States of Africa, Hamas and other Islamic terrorist groups support to Obama including their presence with Biden at the Munich conference, and as others have pointed out here the President Obama memo to SecState Clinton ordering her to assist in resettlement of Hamas and other terrorists from the Gaza Strip with 20.3 U.S.-taxpayer $$ set aside for their resettlement (Jan. 27, published In the Federal Register on Feb. 4).]

Pistol: FL
Thank you for your kind comments and reinforcement of my suggestions. I remember you telling me much the same about engaging with Ranger some weeks ago. I have tried to follow your wise counsel but not been successful at it always.
I have not decided yet if these idiots are paid dissemblers, sowers of confusion, Liberal insanity or just idiots. I am leaning toward the latter – just idiots.
They have certainly gotten us into a mess though with their willful ignorance going to stupidity and their mental illness as documented by Dr. Lyle Rossiter in his book and by others, including Ann Coulter, who nails them every time she speaks or writes another of her bestselling books. Yet they do not get a clue. They persist in their deplorable behaviors.
In this mess with more and worse to come most likely I must maintain a sense of humor – something Liberals seriously lack in their inadequacies, fears and inappropriate responses to clear and present dangers. Like Britney Spears in CA they are a danger to themselves and others. In CA, FL by being Baker Acted, and the majority of other states with similar numbered or named laws, they could be arrested and held for 72-hours of psychiatric evaluation, treatment and follow-up monitoring and treatment.
There are only 50 states, by the way, as any 5th grader knows, regardless of what Obama said indicating most likely what some say are 57 Muslim countries presently in the world. Some also say Obama made that mistake in his confusion and Muslim faith - graciously corrected to “Christian faith” by George Stephanopoulos in the ABC interview. Stephie, also by the way, and others are in daily contact with Rahm or other Obama staffers advising on how to package and sell Obama and his acts. So much for media objectivity!
The humor about the Liberals, especially that one who posts here so much: “It is better to be wanted by the police than by no one at all.” If you are a pathological criminal that is.

This Tune Should Not Be Downloaded
My take on Obama is that he is not a pragmatist but an out-and-out ideologue. His whole life story reflects a belief in socialism and that is a prime indicator of how stupid he is. Even Putin admonished the U.S. about taking over the private sector. Obama's folly is the last gasp of a failed philosophy from American liberal idiots who learned nothing from the fall of the U.S.S.R.
They're trying to sing the same song again of "Das Kapital" but the tune is ragged and shopworn and the only people who are listening are the economic illiterates who took over the colleges in the Sixties and Seventies.

Ronald
OK, so some troll hooks you once in a while. Nobody's perfect :-D Even the Great Pistol has been known to say something that implies some trollish phrase has not been overlooked. Once in a while a new name appears, and sometimes a civil exchange of ideas ensues. Sadly rare, though. Most trolls are paranoid self-perceived victims. When they post some provocative statement and receive a torrent of abuse, they love it. It confirms their perception of victim.

Alan Keyes: Stop Obama
or U.S. will cease to exist
Claims 'communist usurper' plunges country into chaos

-----------------------------------------------Posted: February 21, 2009
10:00 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn

WorldNetDaily

Alan Keyes

Alan Keyes, a 2008 presidential candidate who is also a plaintiff in one of the many lawsuits challenging Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to occupy the Oval Office, charged at a pro-life rally that unless Obama's social and economic policies are stopped, the United States as we know it is over.

Keyes' comments were part of an interview with a reporter from KHAS-TV at a fundraiser for the AAA Crisis Pregnancy Center in Hastings, Neb.

"Obama is a radical communist, and I think it is becoming clear. That is what I told people in Illinois and now everybody realizes it's true," said Keyes, who ran unsuccessfully against Obama for the state's open Senate seat in 2004. "He is going to destroy this country, and we are either going to stop him or the United States of America is going to cease to exist."

Keyes also reasserted his belief that unless the question of Obama's eligibility to serve as president is answered definitively, America may face the startling crisis of an executive branch run by a "usurper."

"Is he president of the United States?" Keyes asked the reporter of Obama. "According to the Constitution, in order to be eligible for president you have to be a natural born citizen. He has refused to provide proof."

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=89612

Alan Keyes
Keyes is just possibly the just plain smartest man on the political scene. Sowell might have more intellect, but he's not personally involved in politics. Keyes is as fun to watch as Ann Coulter, but with a lot more gravitas. Nobody presents the conservative case better. He absolutely destroys any liberal who attempts to debate him on any subject. But he does not connect with voters, for some reason i don't quite understand. J C Watts has the charisma and political touch so necessary for electability in these times of American Idol values for many voters. It would be great to get him back.

A reprise for those who haven't read
Lanky Tan Obamo

Once upon a time in Chicago, there lived a Golden Child and his name was Lanky Tan Obamo.
And his mother was White MomBO. And his father was Black Muslimo.
And he had a mentor called CommieSaul Allinski, and another called Red BillA and another called Black Racer Jerry. And they gave him a beautiful Commie Red Coat, and beautiful Blue State Trousers, and a beautiful Eco-Radical Green Umbrella, and a lovely little pair of RedBlue Purple ACORN Shoes with Commie Red Souls.

And then wasn’t Lanky Tan Obamo GRAND?

So he put on all his Fake, I mean Fine, Clothes and went for a walk in Europe.

And by and by he met a Tiger. And the Tiger said to him, “My name is Bigga Fedgov, and I’m going to eat up the Village.”

And Lanky Tan Obamo said, “I am going to the Village to Preach Hope; pull my Honey Wagon and I’ll get you in.”

And so they went on. By and by they met another Tiger and he said, “My name is European Socialism and I’m going to eat up the Village.”

And Lanky Tan Obamo said, “I am going to the Village to Preach Sharing; pull my Honey Wagon and I’ll get you in.”

And so they went on. By and by they met another Tiger and he said, “My name is Socialized Health Care and I’m going to eat up the Village.”

And Lanky Tan Obamo said, “I’m going to the Village to Preach Change; pull my Honey Wagon and I’ll get you in.”

And so they came to the Village.

End part one
part two continues

The Big Mick

Lanky Tan Obamo reprise part 2
And Lanky Tan Obamo stood on top of the Honey Wagon and said, “WE are the Change, YOU have been waiting for.”

And Lanky Tan Obamo began to Preach, and he Preached, Hope, and Sharing, and Change.

And the Tigers ran around the Honey Wagon.

And the more they ran, the more Lanky Tan Obamo Preached.

And the more Lanky Tan Obamo Preached, the faster they ran.

And they ran faster and faster until the Village couldn’t see what they really were, but only a great blurry pool of brown and yellow which looked like Milk and Honey and Gold that was flowing around the Honey Wagon.

And Lanky Tan Obamo said, “Behold The Stimulus Package; open the gates and It will bring Hope and Change and Prosperity.”

And so they opened the gates.

And Lanky Tan Obamo and the Honey Wagon, and the great blurry pool of brown and yellow, flowed into the Village and into each and every home.

Where they promptly turned back into Tigers and ate everyone up.

And Socialized Health Care ate 27%, and European Socialism ate 55%, but Bigga FedGov ate
169% because he was so hungry.

And Lanky Tan Obamo, satisfied, sat down, put his feet up, and had himself a smoke.

Because he was Very, Very, Grand, Indeed!

The End
With thanks to Helen Bannerman for an inspirational original.
The Big Mick

A generally good column
The title is odd. If Zito thinks Obama is a pragmatist, and he does seem to be in execution, then it is funny to call that a dogma.

Calling it all dogma misses the important distinction. When republicans come into power their plan is always the same, tax cut for the rich and cuts in spending that benefit the poor. Usually they trade away the cuts in spending to guarantee the tax cuts which leads to deficits. But that is their plan and the situation hardly matters.

By contrast Obama is responding to a particular problem he inherited. It is a different plan than we saw from Clinton or Carter, and it would have been different had Obama come to power in 1976 or 1992 (or even 2004).

I see where Villiage Organizer
Beloved Dear Leader Chairman HO is calling a "Fiscal Summit" at the White House.

Gee, and I thought that's what The CABINET Room was FOR!

Smokin BO is nothing but a Ghetto Ward Heeler whose talent for "Organization" ends with his rhetoric and his sole principle of throwing other people's money at a problem THEY didn't cause.

The Republic as South Side Chicago--the prospect does not please.

Get movin on American Revolution v3.0 comrades.
See you at the barricades.

the big mick

Lon
Hate to tell you this, but "you ain't in Kansas anymore."

How many historical economic facts need to pile up before you get it that ANY Tax Cuts GROW an economy that BENEFITS everybody. While TAXING anybody HURTS the economy which HURTS everybody including YOUR mythical (TO YOU) "poor."
In addition, throwing other people's money at the mythical (to you) "poor" simply MAKES MORE OF THEM AND KEEPS THEM POOR!

That's the FACTS Jack, your bigotted hatred and envy of those (most everybody) more Talented, Smarter,Hard Working, Successful, Productive, Prosperous (and no doubt better looking and smelling) then yourself not withstanding.

Who gave YOU the right to say who is "rich" and how much YOU should STEAL from them?

You want to help "the poor" YOU give em YOUR STUFF! All else is hypocrisy and THEFT, bigot.

The Big Mick

Pistol Feb 23, 4:40am
Ronald Feb 23, 4:54am

Your post are very important! Thanks for sharing your insightful post.

Reinforcing Big Mick's point pt 1
Central government has no wealth and creates no wealth. And, an economy has a limited, set amount of capital in that economy. If the central government draws wealth out of the national economy that capital is no longer available to the national economy. The $800 billion democrat pork package takes capital/wealth out of the national economy and democrat politicians decide where to redistribute other peoples wealth. This wealth redistribution helps certain, limited aspects of the national economy favored by democrats. But, it also retards the majority of the national economy because the central government has taken a large chunk of captial out of it.

2 examples follow. If a person earns $2000 per week and gives the government $450 in taxes this brings in tax revenues to the government. The government spends the revenues that somewhat helps certain areas of the economy. However, the economy does not expand because the government produces nothing that creates wealth. The economy of those industries that service the government, democrat lobbyist and other political industries, experience the stimulated growth and expansion, experiencing the majority of the "redistribution of wealth." But, those parts of our economy that experience stimulation don't expand the national economy and will, in fact, cause it to contract.


Reinforcing Big Mick's point pt 2
If a person earns $2000 per week and gives the government $200 in taxes this lowers what the government brings in as revenues. But, the citizen, the individual takes home an extra $1000 per month, each month, on a regular basis where he or she can make major and minor purchases with the extra $1000. The individual can move into a larger home, buy a car and make the payments, buy a digital TV, go out to dinner, go to the movies, etc. Each of these things increase taxable economic activity facilitated by a tax paying worker. More economic activity need more workers to handle the increased taxable economic activity.

In the end more taxes flow to the government. Plus, the entire private economy has expanded needing all kind of workers ... of course, willing to work!

Obama’s, and his democrat congress, economic leadership seem designed to damage the national economy for some reason not clear to the public. When their economy plan fails they will blame Bush, Republicans, the rich and use the misery index created by their economy plan to do more of the same. Before Bush left office democrats urged him to do more and expand bailout packages on his watch. So they could blame him for the money and increase federal deficits from the bailout packages. This suggest democrats and Obama know their bailout packages will not work and they want to continue to blame Bush when their economy plan is revealed as a failure they know it will be.

The Big Mick
"Who gave YOU the right to say who is "rich" and how much YOU should STEAL from them?
You want to help "the poor" YOU give em YOUR STUFF! All else is hypocrisy and THEFT, bigot."


Well said! We have people and programs helping the poor; I myself have fed them and donated what little I have towards the poor. Yet liberals seem to think that rich people are keeping the poor person down. There's better ways to help the poor than the government. Go to Cuba and see the difference between it's leaders and people. There's a reason why they float to America on tires.

Hypocrites In Charge
Auto team drives imports
Fed task force has few new U.S. cars
David Shepardson / Detroit News Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON -- The vehicles owned by the Obama administration's auto team could reflect one reason why Detroit's Big Three automakers are in trouble: The list includes few new American cars.

Among the eight members named Friday to the Presidential Task Force on the Auto Industry and the 10 senior policy aides who will assist them in their work, two own American models. Add the Treasury Department's special adviser to the task force and the total jumps to three.

The Detroit News reviewed public records to discover what many of the task force and staff members drove, but information was not available on all of the officials, and records for some states were not complete.

Lynn
While I totally agree with you the Obama is not a US citizen, I think the time has passed that we can do anything about it.

If Obama is removed from office, Joe Biden becomes POTUS with Nancy Pelosi a heartbeat away. Joe would be bad enough, but what chance would poor ole Joe have if he were in Nancy's way!?!

I think we need to work on taking back both the house and the senate in 2010 and electing Hunter/Palin in 2012.

Lynn
While I totally agree that Obama is not a US citizen, the time has passed that we could do anything about it.

If Obama is removed from office, Joe Biden becomes president with Nancy Pelosi a heartbeat away. What chance do you think poor ole Joe has if he is in Nancy's way!?!

We need to work on retaking the house and the senate in 2010 and electing Hunter/Palin in 2012!

Sorry for the double post
But it is something to think about.

Actually, Hal, ignoramus,
for 130 years as a national (into the 1930s) and nearly 200 years before as colonies, the *New World* of N. America functioned almost entirely as mercantile and then capitalistic economically and worked fine.

It's the reason people abandoned homes and cities where they might have had generations of roots and took the chance to come here.

It's the reason Haitians and Nigerians, black people literally blacker than most Afro-Ams. native born, still come here in droves and SUCCEED. Succeed, despite the *racism* and *hate.*

It's a major reason illegals risk life and limb crossing the Southern border--for jobs and opportunity, which most of the rest of the world has almost none of.

Europe is already depressed because its socialism runs 10-15% unemployment, makes no new jobs, overtaxes any that exist, and drives innovation and ambition into the ground.

No socialism has ever been successful, unless you consider starving people running around in pajamas and flipflops successful.

Overspending got us here!
Both the Democrats and the Republicans have spent into deficit over the last few years. Some of that was understandable because of the need to address terrorism -- wars are expensive. But we also expanded domestic government spending, which made no sense. At the same time, individuals in our country and in Europe spent a lot of money on credit, irresponsibly getting into debt they couldn't pay off, often rolling it into the equity in their home and then spending more. Businesses bought into that whole buy now, pay later scheme in their own practices and, finally, the house of cards came down.

So, here we are, in the crisis we're in, and Mr. Obama's solution is to spend more money on credit. It's like trying to put a fire out with a pail of gasoline. It's not fun, but this crisis will only be fixed when we all bite the bullet and accept a contraction in our lifestyles and a spending freeze. Maybe we will have learned our lesson by then. Doubtful, but if this crisis gets as bad as I think it will with Mr. Obama sinking us even deeper into debt, I think we'll have a good long while to practice living frugally.
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