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Sunday, December 07, 2008
Salena Zito :: Townhall.com Columnist
The good, bad & ugly of card-check
by Salena Zito
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Is it pay-back time or about time? When it comes to “card-check,” slang for the Employee Free-Choice Act – one of the first pieces of legislation likely to go before Congress when it reconvenes in January – it depends on who you ask.

Today, if a union organizer goes into a workplace and gets 30 percent of the employees to sign a “union interest” card, an election is ordered by the National Labor Relations Board. A secret-ballot vote is held six weeks later, giving both union and employer time to lobby the workers.

Under card-check, not so much: If a majority of employees sign a union card, then the union becomes the bargaining unit. No more six-week campaigns, no more elections. It’s a done deal; you’re essentially a union shop.

This will not be the first vote on this bill; it passed the House last session, 241-185, but died in a Senate filibuster.

This time, with a healthy majority of Democrats in the House and a near super-majority of them in the Senate, passage is likely to go from standing on a precipice to heading over the cliff.

According to Nick Shapiro, a spokesperson for the next administration, “President-elect Obama supports the Employee Free-Choice Act and is committed to its passage.”

“Card-check gives a better opportunity for workers to have an easier way to form a union at their workplace,” explains Bill George, president of the Pennsylvania AFL-CIO.

He pushes back at critics who say it goes against the fundamental American right to a secret ballot: “Bottom line is that there is too much power in the hands of employers, and middle-class workers are not getting their fair share of the profits.”

“If you want to say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to a union, you should be able to do that in the privacy of the voting booth,” counters James Sherk, a Bradley Fellow in Labor Policy at the Heritage Foundation.

“Promoting unionism is not a wise idea in the middle of a recession,” Sherk adds. The real issue in his mind is not whether unions are good or bad. “The issue is, are these specific conditions” – not using secret ballots – “good or bad? I would argue (that) no matter the economic circumstances, workers have the right to a private vote.

“They have the right to vote ‘yes’ or ‘no’ on unionism without the union officials or their co-workers being aware of how they voted.”

You can make an argument that each side sees a benefit to a different process, says Purdue University professor Bert Rockman.

“Signing the union petition card is an indication of discontent with present conditions in the workforce; the unions argue that is sufficient,” he explains. Democrats are likely to cave to that argument since unions are an important, if fading, constituency of their party.

A secret ballot, on the other hand, allows employers to do many things. They can respond to some of the discontent, indicating that they care and that everyone is better off without a union, or they can argue about the cost to the workers of unionization.

U.S. Rep. Patrick Murphy, a Bucks County Democrat, says he supports the bill because he promised his constituency that “he would never forget where he came from.”

Murphy, whose father is a lifetime union member, argues a populist theme, saying that “the wage disparity between the top earners and the lower earners has never been wider since the Great Depression.”

He straddles between being a small-business advocate and a union supporter, and his message to businessmen fretting over passage of this bill is: “I have helped pass over $1.2 billion in tax relief, so I have helped small businesses in my district. Employees have a constitutional right to organize, and I fought to protect to the Constitution when I was in the military.”

Congresswoman Shelly Moore-Capito, West Virginia’s only House Republican, opposes the legislation, according to a spokesman, because of her belief that everyone has the fundamental right to a secret ballot.

Another problem with card-check, according to the Heritage Foundation’s Sherk, is the arbitration portion of the act which puts a government bureaucrat in charge of determining company contracts with workers. He calls it “archaic and possibly detrimental to both sides of the negotiations.”

Rockman suspects that much of the support from legislators is a pay-back to unions that spent millions of dollars and lots of time to help elect Obama to the White House and Democrats to Congress.

“View it as a favor the Democrats are returning to a currently weakened but valuable constituency,” he says.

Even so, it will be interesting to see what pressure is exerted to win passage. While a majority of Senate Democrats support the measure, some Southern Democrats have expressed queasiness; on the other hand, Pennsylvania’s Republican senator, Arlen Specter, has indicated he will consider it.

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Dear Selena Zito,



YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT KNOW THE UNIONS...

You never touched on the intimidation and thugery that goes on here.

Giant ugly men come to you and demand that you vote their way, or you will be hurt. No, they usually do not say this outright, but the implication is there.

They mention they know where you live, who your family is, and what do you think the result of the vote will be?

Are you ignorant? Have you not thought this thing through?

It is obvious to me you do not have a good grasp of Union Thug Tactics.

The end result is, the union gets rich and everyone else suffers.

Even the people who choose not to vote for the Union also suffer. They have to pay 2 to 4 hours of pay, every week to the Union and get absolutely nothing in return. Suppose the Union orders a Strike. Now you are out of work for 2 to 6 weeks. You can't draw unemployment while on strike, and the union gives you nothing.

You have lost several hundreds of Dollars, and you get a nickel raise. Who benefits?

Only the Union thugs. They get more money each week, and you never recoup your loss for the strike.

Assume 1000 workers, $50/hour wage, and 4 hours dues/week. Union takes $200,000/week, and you never see it again. They keep part, and buy Democrats in congress with the rest. Over $10 Million per year.

Do you see anything wrong here?

Union thugs do one good thing. They make sure that you can never be fired. If you want to sit on your bum all day, the union will ensure you cannot be fired for this.

Hmm. You are OK, Union is OK, and management sends your job overseas. Hey Good plan!

I wonder
If Card Check passes, how many small to medium sized business owners will decide to close their doors rather than be strangled by the union?

Stupid
What to hell, we might just as well totally destroy this country for it stands for nothing anymore anyway. You might have been born free, but you sure in hell are not free any longer.

Purplegimp

Purplegimp
Location: ME
Reply # 2
Date: Dec 7, 2008 - 5:57 AM EST I wonder
If Card Check passes, how many small to medium sized business owners will decide to close their doors rather than be strangled by the union?

~~~

Haven't seen your posts in a while. Kind person. I hope you are doing well and are OK.

As always, your ideas and concepts are just plain perfect!

Well done!

The Old Rat. La Chaim!

I have been in 2 unions
and have mixed feelings, they have their place in some circumstances or at least they used to.
BUT, I have seen the thuggery described by the OldRat, a buddy was shop steward and didn't support the unions position, he got taken for a ride to "explain it" better and was reminded when dropped off at the hall that they "didn't have to bring him back".

I don't want anyone knowing how I voted period! This will be another sop to the unions for helping elect bambi and a nail in the coffin of freedom for all of us...it is un-American at it's core.

the card check fallacy
so, let me see if I get this straight: liberals and unions say everyone who is upright on election day should get to vote in secret on who our leaders are, BUT, workers should get NO secret vote on union representation becaue they are too easily swayed by evil bosses. Not that evil union thugs would ever come to thier house and demand they sign a card check card, because, as we all know, unions and liberals are all about sweetness and light and would never do or say anything mean or hurtful to anyone.......excuse ne, I fell off my chiar laughing at that one!

Unions are anti-worker
Contrary to popular opinion, unions have never served a purpose for the workers. Their goal has always been the usurpation of power over the worker and they have always had a Socialist agenda. They only highlighted abuses that were occuring because of Wilson's lax immigration policies which led to an oversupply of labor and the FDR policies that exacerbated the Depression.

Today's unions in no way represent or care about workers. They care only about their own power base, even if it is at the expense of the worker. Which is why they get along so well with the Democrat party.

I worked a union job many years ago and it was the worst conditions under which I ever worked. Since then, I have been in management and have negotiated contracts with unions. It is those negotiations that have convinced me that union leaders do not care a whit about the workers. Far from being the savior of the working man, they stand in the way of responsible management doing those things that actually would benefit workers.

UNIONS ARE GOOD FOR US
Housing is no longer built by union tradespersons.
Electronics are no longer built in the USA.
Auto Manufacturers are about to go under.
GE has turned into a bank from a major manufacturer.
Only government can "afford" to hire union workers (NOT).
Public Education is in free fall.

Would someone explain how it is that pro sports, actors and writers unions allow for merit pay and most other unions do not?

Salena
“If you want to say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to a union, you should be able to do that in the privacy of the voting booth,” counters James Sherk, a Bradley Fellow in Labor Policy at the Heritage Foundation. "

This is the lie. it would be like running an election campaign where the party in power can imprison or punish any voter speaking out against it. The worker contributes to the wealth and health of the company not just the often absentee owners. Everyone talks about "high union wages" but few scream about HUGE corporate officer salaries. Card check balances the playing field. Just a final FYI, I have been on both sides of the playing field in my life. Both can work. As to the conservative shouting that it is "unAmerican" they are very wrong it is totally American.

Protect from both management and union
Some people say management is evil and powerful and overbearing.
Some say the unions are powerful and overbearing.
With the secret ballot, we protect workers in both cases. Seems like a win-win for the workers. It's also a win for the Americans who would like as many jobs as possible to stay right here in the U.S.
If the unions have a really good case to present, they will win in a secret ballot.

There is another way . . .
Couple the "employee free choice act" with a national "right to work" law. This would preserve the individual's right to choose to obtain or refuse union membership.
As it stands now, in non-right to work states, union membership is mandatory. There are provisions (the Beck ruling) but unions put onerous provisions to be able to opt-out under Beck.

The Secret Ballot is Critical
The secret ballot is the worker's protection both from management intimidation and from union thuggery.


Anne
"Date: Dec 7, 2008 - 9:02 AM EST Protect from both management and union
...With the secret ballot, we protect workers in both cases... "

Simply not so an employer has far too much power

Mother of 4
"Date: Dec 7, 2008 - 9:30 AM EST The Secret Ballot is Critical
The secret ballot is the worker's protection both from management intimidation and from union thuggery..."

May I ask why you didn't say management thuggery and union intimidation or some other version? Why are folks so frightened of unions? that is what I don't understand. Southwest Airlines is unionized and claim that is one of the reasons it is so successful. If there is adequate communication and fairness between employer/employees then there would be no unions.

And liberals call US reactionaries?
Here they go trying to prop an institution who's time has passed. No mater what the libs do, unions will continue to rot on the vine until they fall off. They strangle the businesses they infect until the business exists no longer. Drive through the rusted industrials states of America - there is unionism at work.

Ultimately, as with the virus that multiplies until its host succumbs, the workers are left without a host and then the Democrats create government "jobs" for them such as Obama now prposes with his Eisenhower-sized public works BS, and then they get to join the union that will never die: Government Workers of the World.

Employee Free Choice Act
I just love the way liberal, or so called "progressive" legislation seems to named the opposite of what it's intent is. The "Fairness Doctrine", is really an unfairness doctrine and now we have and act titled, "Employee Free Choice Act", which should more appropriately be titled, "Employee Not So Free Choice Act", or "Union Goons Get To Monitor My Choice Act". The danger in approving this legislation is of course, in the application. A union goon doesn't have to be in your face or make an overt threat to be coercive by virtue of the fact that a worker's refusal to take or return a card automatically conveys his "no" vote leaving that worker open to intimidation by pro-union employees or union goons.

I'm a union member and I can guarantee that the union does precious little for me other than collect my dues and every couple of years, it helps negotiate a new contract. When it comes to "free choice", one's choice is not free if one is obligated to share it with others. The next thing you know, the Democrat Party will want to have a voter assistant in the voting booth with me to make sure that I can make a free choice. The legislation from the Democrat Party is becoming more Orwellian all of the time.

Union Thugs and their Crapola!
“Signing the union petition card is an indication of discontent with present conditions in the workforce; the unions argue that is sufficient,”

Illogical Crapola!

Being dissatisfied with present conditions, whether the dissatisfaction be small or great, is not sufficient to conclude that the person wants to form and/or join a union!

How many people are ever fully satisfied with their current working conditions? My guess is not many. But if dissatisfaction automatically means that people want to form and join unions, than why is union membership rapidly dying?

Oh, that’s right. It is because corrupt capitalists are so powerful that they prevent the formation of unions. We need to level the playing field.

Unsubstantiated Crapola!

What a stupid dodge.

Then again, as there is no legitimate defense of depriving individuals of their right to a secret vote, all we will ever get are stupid dodges by union thugs and their Socialist allies in Congress.

To a union member 1
You oppose my Total Tax Reform plan called “One Tax And Done”. Do you really enjoy paying much more for everything than you should have to pay; and do you enjoy seeing many union jobs taxed out of existence? There is something that you haven’t considered:

It is your duty to sell the plan. It is your duty and responsibility to your union, to go to your union meetings and remind the other members that they pay a lot of money to the union as dues, and that a lot of that dues money (how much?) is given by the union bosses to state and federal Democrat-party politicians to keep them in office. Your union bosses don’t give any money to Republican-party politicians.

It is also your duty to remind the membership that these Democrat-party politicians are constantly passing more and higher taxes, some of which are to be used to give an additional 845 billion dollars to the UN. These taxes have forced and continue to force many tens of thousands of employers out of business, out of the state, and out of the country, along with all the many jobs these employers provided. This is called outsourcing, and taxes are one of the main reasons for it. Hershey’s closing of the Luden’s Candy factory where Mom worked is a good example of this. Luden’s is a union shop, and the union jobs are going to Mexico, India, and Red China, thanks to all the destructive taxes the Democrat-party politicians passed and increased.

These same Democrat-party politicians are also trying to get amnesty for the many millions of illegal aliens, so they can take jobs presently held by long-term union members. Ask members of construction unions, who have already lost their jobs to illegal aliens, about this. The politicians you are paying to keep in office are taxing millions of union jobs out of existence, and are trying to get illegal aliens into others.

union members’ throats!!!


To a union member 2
Remember that, in 1990, these Democrat-party federal-level politicians greatly increased these taxes to force tens of thousands of employers to put millions of Americans out of jobs, to anger the people and get President Bush out of office. In 1991, the democrat-controlled PA state government did the same for no apparent reason other than “they could”. How many union members lost their jobs? Did the politicians ask for union permission to destroy jobs? All union members are paying the politicians to cut union members’ throats!!!

You must get the membership to send the local union boss to the state union boss and to the national union boss. The state and national bosses should go to the state bosses and national bosses of all the other unions. All the union bosses should go to the state and federal politicians to tell them that they will not get any more money, support, and votes until they repeal all these destructive, union-job-destroying taxes and get rid of the illegal aliens who are taking union jobs. If they don’t repeal the taxes and deport the illegal aliens, use the primary election to give your support to a candidate who will.

At this time, the state and national bosses can give copies of “One Tax And Done” and “How To Get Rid of Illegal Aliens” to each politician. I’ll follow this letter with state and federal versions of it. You probably haven’t thought about it, but if all those taxes had been repealed by 1946, we would have one of the best railroad systems in the world, and you wouldn’t have to worry that Amtrak might go under and your job might not last for ten more years – a concern you’ve expressed to me. The money that these taxes take from Amtrak is needed by Amtrak to stay in business and provide jobs; and the jobs taken by illegal aliens are needed by you and your union brothers.

Check card
In 1960 at a steelmill I was one of ten salaried workers presented with a check card to unionize. Even though we wanted to go union we didn't know who would see the cards after they were signed. Would the company discipline us if unionization failed? Not having a secret vote puts a worker right in the middle by exposing him to retaliation if his stance is contrary to the winning side. Keep the secret ballot. If it's good enough for congress and every other vote in the US let workers vote in secret.

questions for tj and Hal Donahue
There is another way . . .
Couple the "employee free choice act" with a national "right to work" law. This would preserve the individual's right to choose to obtain or refuse union membership.
As it stands now, in non-right to work states, union membership is mandatory. There are provisions (the Beck ruling) but unions put onerous provisions to be able to opt-out under Beck.

tj: That sounds reasonable, does that idea have a bill or sponsor for the idea yet? I am all for a compromise, but cannot trust the left because of what they have done to American education in the process of sleeping with unions.

Hal: Can you accept that as a fair compromise and would you dare to deny that the NEA has crippled both education and the teaching profession?

The good, bad & ugley of card-check
STEP #1: Contol the Masses.

The USSR of America is just around the corner!!

TSGT Uvin A. Clough Jr., USAF, RET.; 619-415-3888; San Diego CA

merit pay
i've worked both union and non union.i worked at one non union company for 8 years.they had a "merit based" system of pay.we used to get raises every march 1st.we used to have a pool on what day in february the avp of our dept. would stroll around telling everyone how tough it was and that everyone would have to tighten our belts.didn't effect his bonus of course.anyway when they called us in they would give us our 1 or 2 percent raise and warn us not to discuss it with other employees.naturally we discussed it anyway.so when me and another guy were discussing our salaries i found out he made 50 dollars a month more than i did even though i started a month before he did.the company kept track of errors we made and this guy made an average of 20 more mistakes a month than i did.thats when i decided to abandon the "merit system" and get a union job.i figured if i was going to carry someone it might as well be at the higher union scale.

Unions
I do have a dog in this hunt. I reluctantly joined the union at my place of employment because it was the only way to get health insurance for my family. And I will admit that it is good insurance. And the union has helped us get fair raises year by year.

But this Card Check legislation scares me. Secret balloting has always been the American way. And it has served us well in public governmental elections for centuries.

I had a discussion with the local union rep at my place of employment who defended this bill as follows. He said that if I am doing right why should I care if people know how I voted? That statement chilled me to the bone. Probably every dictator that ever took power soothed the ignorant masses the same way right up to the time the secret police came to take you away.

I came away from that discussion more convinced than ever that secret ballots were the way to go. Be afraid folks. Be very afraid. We are losing our freedoms right before our eyes. And I feel we will get no sympathy from the new Obama administation.

Unions' effectiveness
Having grown up with unions in the steel , auto, chemical,trades and paper it is apparent that they have outlived their usefullness. If you believe that sitting down yelling at one another, even swearing ,mostly from union representatives,making unreasonable demands, dragging out the bargaining until the company gives up and then threatening a "strike" is a useful tactic you are living in the dark ages.
Reasonable people ought to be able to work together to mutually benefit one another, one providing jobs the another needing jobs. Where does a union enter the picture? The union is there for the marginal worker, the lazy worker, the worker who thrives on arguing with the boss and creating a scene to show how unreasonable the employer is by asking an employee to give a full day's work for a full day's pay.
Have you ever been in an auto plant it is ludicrous the number of non-working employees, the amount of non-working time, the number and length of breaks no one in there right mind would design a system such as the auto-workers have ended up with, and both sides know it!!!
Let's start over with reasonable people designing a reasonable work area that benefits employees, employers and customers, is that an idea?

Keep the change
"Date: Dec 7, 2008 - 10:55 AM EST Subject: questions for tj and Hal Donahue
There is another way . . .
Couple the "employee free choice act" with a national "right to work" law. This would preserve the individual's right to choose to obtain or refuse union membership..."

How do you prevent free riders? Why should I pay union dues when I will get a union salary in any case. the conservative anti-union model clearly has not worked. If it did then the red states would have the richest rather than poorest in individual income and wealth.

Union abuse is easily regulated and I would like to point out that the current problem appears to be serious abuse in the executive suite not the cubicle.

unions
My take on unions is they were needed at one time due to safety and other issues. I have worked in union and non-union wafer fabrication facilities. The non-union ran smoothly and most people seemed happy with the work environment. In the union fabs, the junior union members complained about the work distribution. All innovation was quashed because only time in union mattered. There seemed to be no sense of ownership. Orlando, FL lost Agere Semi because the fab maint. Techs all made @$30.00 per hour when the national average is 18.00. The union was grand fathered in for any new buyers. Needless to say, there were no takers.

Employee Free Choice Act
is solely and completely aimed at WalMart.

THE BESTIALITY-RIGHTS MOVEMENT IS HERE!
If you haven't seen COMING SOON yet, I just found it on Google: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-15246089446517576 5&hl=en

It's one of the most important films in a long time - especially now with all the Prop 8 hysteria.

A very unpredictable film that poses serious questions for us conservatives as well.

hal
You cannot be honest about anything.

This isn't the middle ages
Since we do live in the modern age where for every one business there are hundreds or thousands others in this country, if an employee doesn't like his employer, he has many other choices.

This being the case, unions have indeed outlived their usefulness. Employees can now, unlike in centuries past, vote with their feet: they can leave to find gainful employment elsewhere.

Unions have become parasites on their business hosts and often have killed their hosts.

We DESPERATELY need real, true, freedom-loving, Conservatives (UNLIKE Arlen Specter) to protect our economy which means protecting employers' ability to stay in business.

Send this message:
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/we-demand-true-conserva tive-leadership.html

hal
you said.
Why are folks so frightened of unions? that is what I don't understand. Because hal, if for WHATEVER reason, someone decides they do not want to belong to a union, that person will be terrorized, threatened, subject to bodily harm.
All because this person makes a FREE CHOICE. I think that even as ignorant as you seem to be you would not want to be FORCED to join the Republican party and vote for every conservative candidate that comes along just because it fits someone elses agenda. Even you are not that blindly obedient.

hal
Also when you said..
Why are folks so frightened of unions? that is what I don't understand.
You don't understand? Even you aren't that dumb.
Turn the question around....why are the unions so afraid of someone voting against them they are wanting to WATCH your vote. Why do they have to be concerned about how individuals vote. They should only be concerned about the final outcome of a "FREE" vote.


Hal
So you answered part 1- You would not favor choice, as most pro choice liberals do not (with the exception of abortion). But what about the other part of the question:

Would you dare to deny that the NEA has crippled both education and the teaching profession?

Hal
"...it would be like running an election campaign where the party in power can imprison or punish any voter speaking out against it."

This is exactly the case, if this card check passes. Union thugs, and my father was one, will pay a visit to anyone who votes against unionization.

Oh, and with card checks, the business would also know who voted for what.

I will grant that unions served a purpose in the early years. I've worked for people who would happily render workers down for tallow instead of paying them.

But the comment about the earliest unions being Communist organizations is also true. The Communists tried to make demands they believed the bosses would never agree to, wanting to start a class war. They never expected the bosses and workers to work out something to suit both, nor did the realize that the bosses were smart enough to realize that they did not face a competitive disadvantage if their competition also had to pay union scale. (The bosses also figured out that paying off the union bosses was a lot cheaper than giving the workers a raise.)

Unions = Problems
I was once a member of a union for several years and found I got not much for the dues I paid. Over the time I belonged to the union I was in three locals and each were run different. The first was run honest with the leaders being supportive, the second was corrupt but the leaders were supportive to the members (just do not cross them), and the third was corrupt with corrupt non-supportive leaders.

Later I left that company and since have worked for non-union companies. I all cases unions did not benefit me just took my money. I have done well without belonging to a union and find no need for them.

It is the USA way for secret ballots and to make the change now is only for one reason - to pressure employees to "accept" unions. The Right of Privacy is one of our basic rights, and if the Democrats cannot see what pushing a bill like this through will do to the nation then we are in for a nasty period.

Too much too late
Oh if this ability had been in place for the last ten years what a different world there would be!
In this fanciful world several things would be certain. All of the huge incomes to the top of many companies would be some what lower. Many execs would be starting small companies (utopia for a conservative) to avoid the union. Unions dont bother with small. Average income would be higher, allowing for purchase of affordable homes. Less forclosures. Union organizing would come under closer scrutiny, managers would be vetted, background checks, easier to replace by member vote. I could go on.
Much of the world being upside down financially
would not be present. Companies would be better managed.
Dont want to hear about unions drove companies out of business, stockholders CHOSE to relocate out of the country. No one made them (DETROIT) sign those contracts. Just like no one made the home buyers sign contracts for homes that they couldnt afford.
But now is too late. It is a bad idea now. The ADMIN needs to rethink this one.

Admittedly
I don't have personal experience with unions. I do know a fellow who is a union rep; he claims he's always in court trying to defend a railroad employee's [negligence, to my mind] 'rights' no matter how incompetent he is. Is there really a good reason to forget to throw a switch to ensure an engine or line of cars goes where it's supposed to?

I'd like to know why anyone feels that rather than negotiate his own pay and benefits, he'd as soon trust his earning capacity to a third party's self-interest? Laziness? Ignorance of his own worth?

Wake up, folks. Business owners are in it to make money. Their employees are in it to make money. The only conflict here is a completely manufactured one. The two can work out what is fair between them; if not, the employee can vote with his feet, or learn a new skill. Like it or not, management owes nothing more than an honest day's wages for an honest day's work. The danged unions seem to be in it only for the power it gives them over others.

Card Check is Pro Union BOSS not Member
The Demo part used to pass itself off as the party of the working man. The right to vote (secretly, where there is no intimidation possible) is a working-man's issue.
Card-Check is absolutely counter to the working man's interests and freedom, in favor of the Union Bosses and their thugs. History shows that many times, employees will vote "to hold a vote" (a majority will sign the card, under peer pressure and/or coercion) but then vote against the actual unionization by their private ballot.
The Demos sailed right on past their old constituency and are now in bed with the power-brokers of the Unions, the ones who control the political donations, ...even the ones who broke the Big 3 with excessive demands! So in typical Demo-logic, let's give them even more power!
http://truthis.blogtownhall.com

DO LET IT HAPPEN!
I lived this on the other end!! It is almost impossable to REMOVE an UNION once it has the POWER................ You are required by LAW and RULES of the NLRB to have 30%(or 25% 2000 was a while ago) on OPEN PETITION onece you get that within the time frame required you post it to the NLRB Regional Office. Once they get it they forward it the UNION with all signees and the EMPLOYER to POST and ANNOUNCE when the VOTE to OUST or JEEP the UNION as your BARGNER (and WAGE AND BENIFITS) and every thing else!! So for about 90 days al the people who signed the petition get to come to work and get HARRESED at work and at HOME by whomever(UNION GUYS FOR SURE).
Here is wher the RIGHT TO A SERCET VOTE LIVE!!! I was for that time peoiod very concerned about my furture and on the VOTE NO ONE OF THESE GUYS WHO HAD MADE LIFE HELL VOTED FOR THE UNION!!!! Not ONE..... After the for everyone thanked me for doing all the leg work and even told me they were sorry!!! The Union National President had been in twon for two weeks working the vote when no one voted for the union the Union Shop Steward fliped him the bird. He later told me he thought that someone would have voted for the union and when no one did he could not help but express his feelings......
This is why the SECERT VOTE FOR CAN NOT PASS!!!

Hal
Explain to me how a secret ballot gives too much power to the employer? Unless you think the employer can stuff the ballot box with votes from dead people. If the employee does not like the work conditions or the wages he/she can:
1) Find another job
2) Start their own company to compete against their employer
3) Convince the employer to fix what they think is wrong.

come all ye clinton-ites
come all ye faithful clinton-ites
all ye joyous and so gleeful
come all ye clinton-ites
to obamaaaaa-land
come and behold him
born a half-breed massiah
come to the new world order

watch as the media adores him
and watch as the republicans scorn him
watch as hillary pushes the knife in
and then twists it around
watch as the massiah has risen again

all his faithful mourn him
as heir' biden accepts the throne
celebrate the eight day of november
with a government and union holiday
now heir' biden accends to destroy
all that would oppose him

watch as the media laudes old joe
repubs are sent to the desert with no h2o
as honorable bush resigns to his new home
all the peasants are forced into shelters
thier homes are sold to wealthy demons
that are relatives of congressmen and senators
America is renamed the united states of biden
as muslim extremists make southern cal thier new home

osama bin laden is pardoned
hugo chavez is our new foriegn minister
and hillary remains sec. of state



Card Check...
Stalin would be proud!!!

The Brown Shirts Are Coming !!
This is just more of the tactics of the socialist left. Total control. Oh,they won't try to do it overnight. But little by little....

The Clinton / Obama team will own every aspect of our lives from the cradle to the grave and after a few years of it,the grave will look good.

Unions breed incompentence
My Dad was in the railroad and saw the unions protect, the incompetent and the lazy. In fact, they would try to get rid of anyone that worked harder than they wedre "supposed to" because they were stealing another union position.

Of course, the Southern Pacific went under.

My Dad, a union member all of his work career, has NOTHING good to say about them. He saw them as corrupt and coercive.

Unions defend the incompetent and unproductive. If the big 3 auto companies go under, good riddance. We have auto makers in the South that make better cars and have a work force that cares about efficiency.

Give the class warfare a rest. It was a farce under FDR and it is a farce now.

Just because Dems are in charge
I don't think this card check is a done deal.

1) Most Americans are against this because it so obviously unfair
2) Even some Dems realize this, and while they voted for it in this Congress, they did so with the knowledge that GWB would veto it. So they could vote yes and make their union-boss supporters happy, but didn't have to worry about backlash for supporting an unpopular new law.
3) There are ways to be able to publicly support this bill, and simultaneously prevent it from coming up for a vote.
4) Union-bosses are just extensions of the Democratic party, so do the Dems really have to worry about them defecting to the Republicans?

This is just MHO.

Ironic quote on unions from socialist
"Union is lot like onion; you can keep peeling and peeling, but you'll just find more layers of peeling underneath."--C.N. Annadurai, Tamil Nadu Chief Minister 1967/03/06-1969/02/03.

Bottom line
In any union election, someone is going to lose some of their rights. Either their right to organize will be lost- or more accurately, postponed; or their right to money they have earned or their right to strike their own deal with an their employer. Where ever one stands on these issues, taking away the rights of a minority (of course, not in the ethnic sense of the word)demands the utmost caution toward the fairness of the process. There is no other way than the secret ballot- period!

involuntary servitude
I too have experienced the thugery of labor unions. Three times this year I have been threatened for not voting the way the union demanded. Give me a national right to work law so I don't have to join or pay dues to the union. Amendment 13 of the constitution bans involuntary servitude except as a punishment for crime. Wanting a job is not a crime, but forced unionization is involuntary servitude.

Backwards Argument
“Card-check gives a better opportunity for workers to have an easier way to form a union at their workplace,” explains Bill George, president of the Pennsylvania AFL-CIO.

I've heard this argument, to which I reply, "It is NOT an opportunity for workers to form a union ... it's an easier opportunity for unions to organize more workers to fill their coffers."

Unions have had their time. They are just as greedy and self-serving as any business is.

Unions
Something I read from Investors Business Daily tonight:
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Over the election cycle, the SEIU contributed $16.5 million to get Obama elected, and $85 million for the election in general, part of the $450 million all unions gave to get Democrats elected.
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Guess who owns Obama ? The unions,Soros ,foreigners and the Clintons.
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