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Sunday, December 16, 2007
Salena Zito :: Townhall.com Columnist
Rudy's incredible shrinking campaign
by Salena Zito
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With fewer than 20 days until the Iowa caucuses, three men in the Republican Party stand to get their tickets punched out of the Hawkeye State.

While everything is still in flux, those likely winners will be Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and Fred Thompson.

Notably missing out on Iowa’s political rocket fuel is national frontrunner Rudy Giuliani.

While most political insiders and pundits have known for months that Giuliani had no plans to compete in Iowa, the general American electorate probably does not. Known to not pay attention to the early political pontificating, the average voter may wonder where the former New York mayor is when the big news the next day is not about him.

Giuliani went into the campaign season with an unconventional strategy that quickly became all the buzz: Skip Iowa, be respectable in New Hampshire, then head to delegate-rich Florida. The strategy for his campaign was never about momentum; it was always about maximizing his delegate count.

An unconventional Republican primary candidate, Giuliani knew he would be shunned by the ultraconservative activists in early states. His personal Iowa is Super-Duper Tuesday, Feb. 5, which has the motherlode of delegates, who happen to be moderate Republicans. Sounds perfect, right?

Maybe. If he can hold on. But right now, the Giuliani story is that his gamble is quietly becoming the incredible shrinking campaign.

“From a historical perspective,” says Matt Lebo, a political science professor at State University of New York at Stony Brook, “his strategy is clearly a losing strategy.”

The only thing that can save him, Lebo explains, is the campaign calendar he has gambled on: “The question that needs to be asked as part of this gamble is, did Rudy overestimate the strength of his support in terms of how attached are the voters who prefer him?”

Lebo says that if Giuliani’s supporters are very attached, he might withstand the early losses, “although, more likely, they will abandon ship after seeing him lose.”

If Giuliani’s support is soft, based more on his prospects than his perspectives, then significant losses in Iowa and New Hampshire -- unrepresentative of the general electorate as they are -- may have a snowball effect in the post-New Hampshire primaries.

“The prospects of Giuliani being eclipsed by his rope-a-dope strategy is in the early rounds,” says Professor Bert Rockman, head of the Purdue University Department of Political Science. “Giuliani needs to have several candidates kept alive in the early contests because he is, at best, going to be a plurality winner.”

Six months ago, Giuliani’s strategy was the fad and, in all fairness, it was the only shot he could take based on his lack of appeal to early-primary activists. He prepared the ground by creating early-loss assumptions, making it easy to say, “Hey, everybody knew this from Day One.”

“It may not work,” says Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, “but it gives him a shot for a comeback starting in Florida on Jan. 29.

“While things aren’t looking too bright for Rudy just now, we’ve already seen that this primary season is a roller-coaster.”

Aside from the lack of positive ink and early-primary momentum, Giuliani also runs the risk of a death by a thousand cuts from lethal opposition research -- distracting him from making his case in later primary states.

Each campaign is trying to write the next political-history lesson, to establish conventional wisdom before it happens. Truth is, no one knows if Giuliani’s gamble will work.

The key remains Florida -- a state where a new Rasmussen Reports poll shows Giuliani's once solid lead has sunk to third behind Huckabee and Romney. Lose there, and it’s over for “America’s Mayor.”

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Ron Paul Spammers
Ill be glad when this campaign is over so all of you guys Ron Paul guys can get back to your regular jobs of promising a everyone a larger member.

Who Supports Rudy Giuliani?
I live in New Jersey and I haven't discovered any Rudy Giuliani supporters among the likely Republican voters that I know. New Jersey is one of the blue states that he is supposed to snatch away from the Democrats. The only yard signs that I see are those for Ron Paul.

I have a feeling that Mr. Giuliani will miraculously become the nominee and practically everyone will publicly deny having voted for him. I suppose that next September 4, we'll just refer to his coronation as the immaculate convention.

Rudy R.I.P.
All I had to know about Rudy was that he had publically embraced and welcomed ILLEGALS. Regularization Rudy now claims that he was always opposed to them and wanted to deport them... he probably also told more than one wife he was faithful. He also supported Mario Cuomo for Governor-- EGAD!

I do not care much about social conservative issues like abortion, but have had a gut full of globalist neoCONS who want ILLEGALS here to do our grunt work (the modern equivalent of slaves with the same awful legacy) and want to waste trillions stirring up Muslims... the all-in estimate for Iraq per the CBO is $2 TRILLION, ONLY TO MAKE A MESS.... Rudy's M.E. advisers are the same as Jorge's-- they want to keep endlessly fighting Muslims with American $ for a tiny foreign nation. ENOUGH!

Rudy is in Trouble
Rudy is in trouble. How he reacts will determine if it is a Rudy Romney race or a Romney Huckabee race.

It is possible that all 3 could make it to the convention but I think that the early primaries are really going to hurt Rudy.

I do not think McCain will be much of a factor unless he can win MI. Running second in NH and MI will hurt Rudy but not create a big lift for McCain.

Fred is comatose but could stay in and create some fun in the South. That mostly holds Huckabee down in the South.

On the other hand, if Romney beats Huck in IA, Huck's campaign will falter badly and quickly. Fred becomes more viable if Romney wins IA. Some of Huck's vote will swing back to Fred in SC.

rudy
Rudy's problem is not his strategy re: primaries. It's that he (along with McCain) were the two known brands twelve months ago. Twenty zillion debates later, the lesser known names have become known, ergo: he has slid downward vis a vis the field.

Also, have you noticed the mountain of sleeze uncovered over the last month?

Rudy
A good source of polling data, the free ones at least, is here: http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm

Rudy is still the front runner nationally although he's fallen from the low 30s to the mid 20s. Huckabee is now 2nd with McCain 3rd. Ron Paul is running 6th with 5% versus 1% several months ago.

The Media Has got To Change
If the media doesn't shift from one to the next it cannot keep "interest" and sell ads. Stuck on one candidate of either party is boring for the media and isn't a good thing for writers and editors. It should also be in good position to say - I told you so - if a Repub gets elected. The Republicans have no message for us since they have sold us out over the past 6+ years. The payoff for wild spending and free immigration is that the party will sink lower and we'll be treated to the biggest set of new givaways from the Demos since LBJ.

Rudy--goin' down in flames!!!

Well, one can hope anyway.

Good analysis
I predicted last summer that Giuliani would come apart like a cheap suit. My particular peeve with him was that he opted out of the Senate fight in NY against madam klintoon in 2000 that would have stopped her cold. He was popular in NY and the upstate region would have went with a native over an inexperienced upstart. Instead, he proved to be the poltroon, clucking off under a lame medical excuse, leaving her easily pitted against the little known Congressman Rich Lazio.

The legend of his great 9/11 leadership simply that he was first to the media microphones. Otherwise, he was simply a liberal with a streak of old style, ward boss political instincts.

As a Senator, New York could have used him because, economically, the state is almost literally a basket case due in large part to liberalism's role in strangling and chasing business away. No state has lost more population than NY over the last 40 years and a good part of the people that are left wish they could leave.

He knew the needs of the state far better than any carpetbagging, displaced Arkansas liberal. Also, as a republican senator, he would have gained valuable national experience while affording the senate GOP edge that would have been so important with the judgeships.

Instead, with Rudy, we're left with the fake imagery of an otherwise empty suit former big city mayor.

What to do . . . What to do?
For the first time in my ancient life I am undecided as the time to vote approaches (I live in New Hampshire).

The candidates I would trust to run this country don't stand a snowball's chance of winning and the candidates that could win will say whatever needs to be said to accomplish their goals.

If I were forced into the voting booth today, I probably would vote for Rudy - not because I agree with everything he says or does, but because I believe I know what I would be getting and he could defeat the Democrat machine.

I believe he will do what is necessary to defend our country and, he promises not to appoint activist judges - for me, two of the most importand issues.

One exception to the above is Ron Paul. I'm convinced that he is honest and will do exactly as he promises. That scares the Hell out of me!

In New York State the Establishment is
shilling for Rudy and going into a frenzy over Mike Hcikabee. I think a Romney/Huckabee or Huckabee/Romney ticket is entirely possible. I notice the anti-Semitism coming from the weird Paulians who spam this site and others. They are are a sick, kooky bunch. Rudy would not win New York State in the general election - this is unfortunately a Blue State thanks to the antics of George Pataki, Joe Bruno and yes, Rudy, who did little or nothing to build up the local GOP. All the Rudy supporters in New York State are going to be in for a big, big shock.

All the pundits
can predict all they want but everything is guess work. Anything can happen in this campagin.

Our local paper in Michigan carried the result of a recent poll. Women in Michigan just do not care for any republican even Romney who was raised in Michigan.

Women disappoint me (even if I am one). After aggressively working for rights and opportunities for several decades and achieving success in opening doors, they still vote like dependents wanting to be taken care of.

If the Press were doing its job...
...there would be investigative journalists digging into just how much effort Hillary Clinton's campaign has put into sinking the Giuliani presidential bid. Trust me, she's got dozens of minions digging up dirt against Rudy and releasing it, because she's afraid to run against him. What's going on there is likely similar to what Richard Nixon did to Edmund Muskie.

Mind you, I'm wasn't planning on supporting Giuliani in the primaries, though I did think about it. Rudy Giuliani is by a pretty good margin the most qualified administrator in the race for the presidency on either side. His handling of New York City demonstrates his fiscal restraint, administrative skill, leadership, and most encouragingly, his eagerness to keep whining liberals in their place. But his moderate-to-liberal positions on social issues is hurting him with conservatives in the Republican party, and his personal baggage is troubling.

I'd love to have a few bloggers tracking the sources of news stories leaking out of New York City. Some of them are probably from Romney's campaign -- he seems to have some effective mud-wrestlers in his campaign headquarters basement, which bothers me. But I'm betting some of them are from the D side.

(Unrelated to this thread, please read my blog, "Plumb Bob: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

loco
That is one of the payoffs from the Leftnuts breaking the nuclear family. Unmarried women and single mothers are much more likely to vote Democrat. Married women have the security of the family to bolster them and input from their husbands which is more likely to be conservative. Not having a husband to share the burdens of life pushes women into the arms of the nanny state. That is the Leftnut plan.

Down in the first six states
Huckabee and Romney are 1st or 2nd each in all of the first 6 states, save for New Hampshire where Huck's in 4th. Rudy never places higher than third in any of 'em.

I'm ecstatic. I hope Rudy continues his downward spiral. Romney or Huckabee would make for a fine nominee. I just like Huckabee more.

rudy
if in fact rudy is faltering than the process is working as it should. WE use this time period to weight all the candidates. But all campaign's have ebbs and flows. Ouir side has a large teram to chose from. Unlike the dims who coronated the missus clinton even before she announced, we are weighing all our candidates. But talk of fatique the missus clinton has been running for president for the past 15 years and still more than half the country dislikes and distrusts her. Even amongst those inclined to vote for her there is a feeling of deviousness. Even the dims know she is not therir ideal candidate but the dim line-up is more akin to a minor league team rather than those ready to play in the big leagues

Rudy's shrinkage
His slippage is largely the result of a media which is virulently anti-Rudy. After all, he can beat Hillary and he has a record of success which was founded on a serious law enforcement program, a serious fiscal program and an attempt to make education serious. All of this is offensive to the folks who make the most noise in the country. He also decided to ignore both Iowa and New Hampshire because he knew that he could not win there. Spending funds and effort in a losing cause is not logical. However, the media ignore this simple observation. Finally, the social conservative branch of the Republican party is so focused on one issue that they are incapable of seeing that there are other issues which are equally important. Like taking down the terrrorists.

THE GAMBLER

.....I usually don't agree with University eggheads but I think they might have this one right ...

.....Giuliani's best hope is to keep as many Republican opponents in the race as long as he can to split the vote ...Rudy has put all his chips on the table in one big roll of the dice ...I think the dice are going to come up snake eyes .....COLOSSUS

Of course Rudy is Tanking
He is from New York and he is liberal. Those that actually listen to what he says know that he has no idea what strict constructionism is either, see his dustup with Romney in the CNBC debate over the line item veto for reference, not the issue of the line item veto itself, but how Rudy defined strict constructionism.

He lobs buzzwords and expects people to believe them. If he wasn't a a New York Liberal or at least "religious" as in the case of a certain Arkansas Liberal, they would probably believe still believe him.

Also saying he ran one of the most conservative governments in many years in New York is like saying he is the most religious man at an atheist convention, as in conservative relative to what.

BG

.....Don't discount Thompson yet ...he is not comatose as much as he is suffering from lack of press coverage ...If the MSM gave him half the attention they give Huckabee then Fred would up further in the early polls ...

.....Fred's campaign is planning to go all out in Iowa from Dec 26 to Jan 3 ...if this strategy brings up his numbers in Iowa and if Huckabee's negatives start to catch up with him ...then Fred might beat Huckabee in SC and then he will begin to attract media coverage and he is right back in the race ...

.....Don't buy into the media propaganda that Fred is comatose ...he might not be the wild eyed energizer bunny but he is thoughtful and deliberate ...the way a President should be .....COLOSSUS

Rudy in N.Y.
As a New York City resident, Rudy did a good job as Mayor after years of pathetic Democrat leadership. However he will not win New York or New Jersey as the voters of these states would rather put their hands in a furnace than not vote Democrat. For the same reason, he would never have defeated the former first witch for the Senatorship of New York State. Hillary would have beaten any Republican, the people of this state just love the high taxes, crime and corruption that the Democrats give them.
I'll be voting for Hunter or Tancredo in the Repub. primary. I will vote for any Repub. but Huckabee or Ron Paul against Hillary in the general election.

Selective memory
GPC007 wrote: "For the same reason, he would never have defeated the former first witch for the Senatorship of New York State. "

Simply not correct. He was actually in good position to beat Ms. Clinton, being a known, local hero running against a fairly cynical import. It was a shame for all of us that Mr. Giuliani was diagnosed with prostate cancer and chose to remove himself from the race. Ms. Clinton beat a relatively unknown Congressman, Rick Lazio, and she beat him almost entirely because of a gaffe at a debate that Ms. Clinton was able to turn into a sympathy issue; until that gaffe, Lazio was running even with Clinton.

Don't forget Sen Alfonse D'Amato was also a Republican, and also from New York. Republicans can win in New York; it's just not easy.

(Unrelated to this thread, please read my blog, "Plumb Bob: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

GPC007
'...(Rudy) would never have defeated the former first witch for the Senatorship of New York State.'

You may be right about that - NYS has always had love affairs with these outside liberal squaters who drift in and get a big welcome (RFK, Moynihan, Clinton, et al). He might have chickened because of that tendency.

But if there was anyone who could have beaten her, it was Giuliani.

PlumbBob
I agree: Giuliani held all the cards in that one. I still say he would have won and got rid of her for good.

Is the prostate cancer......

......the reason he cross dresses.??. Not that anyone cares, but at least it would be half a reason.

Rudy down and Huckster to go. McCain can't win with his immigration record and his age and Thompson has slipped badly, guess that narrows the field. There is still some good leadership left.

Would that it was Hunter but his initials are four letters and it isn't Paul; it's "Mitt" Romney. Real leadership and real foreign policy and real American style patriotism. What else is there folks. Tell me who the savior is.

Klinton or Obama bin Laden, we gonna take 'em on with the best we have available, and win. There is no second place in the finals. Some would say, cut and run for another day, but another day may never come again. History is in the making.

If we get a couple of million new voting wetbacks in the 2012 election, because they come up with an amnesty, it's probably all over.


Stand for Giuliani costs Royce R CA vote
Congressman Royce has stated his support for Giuliani despite claiming to be against NAFTA. In the last debate in Des Moines Iowa, Giuliani made a point of expressing his support for NAFTA. The Security and Prosperity Partnership is a work in progress between the US, Mexico, and Canada to bring us a NAFTA on steroids.

Read the plan by googling "Building a North American Community" and reading it on the Council on Foreign Relations website, the organization that developed the plan. Find out how your congressman stands on the issue.

The first tier republican candidates all support free trade which means pro NAFTA. This is the position that big money globalists demand.

Unfortunatly they could not give a rat's behind about the economic welfare of the vast majority of middle class Americans.

Sam
It is classless people like you that poison political debate and debase candidates and causes that deserve better. Unfortunately for your preferred candidate, it seems a majority of his supporters have the same lack of class and intelligence. I believe this directly affects Ron Paul; most people are repulsed by the attitude, and therefore will go out of their way to oppose him. I know I am one of those people.

Will voters trust Rudy on immigration?
Giuliani in new ad: ‘We can end illegal immigration’

WATC VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/giuliani-in-new-ad -we-can-end-illegal-immigration



Baseballdoc
What you said abouot the msm is so true. They don't even give Fred Thompson one sixteenth of the coverage they give Huckabee. They are scared to death of Thompson.
I feel sure that Thompson could beat Hillary or Obama either one. Huckabee can't, and they know it!! The media wants a democrat victory, so they are pushing a loser.

Rudy vs. Hillary

Can’t we do better than these two?

Giuliani: If I Have A Presidential Mistress, She Will Get Security Too!

Giuliani’s Answer Was ‘Flimsy,’ Says ‘Tough-Talking New Yorker’

Giuliani Defends, Employs Priest Accused of Molesting Teens

Hillary’s Hsu indicted

Weapons Industry Dumps Republicans, Backs Hillary

Hillary, Bush For Open Borders!

WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/rudy-vs-hillary



LOCO

.....Single and divorced women have equality in the voting booth ...but in private they are still looking for DADDY !!! .....COLOSSUS

Who?
I am willing to sacrifice my conservative principles to some degree for the sake of defeating the Democrats next November. I can hold my nose with Rudy to defeat Obama or Clinton, but I clearly prefer Romney or Thompson. Whereas, it is somewhat hypocritical to sacrifice principle in any case, the distinct possibility of a Democratic presidency is unfathomable and absolutely horrifying. What to do...what to do...

Possibilities
>the distinct possibility of a Democratic presidency is unfathomable and absolutely horrifying.<

Only if the Congress is Democratically-controlled as well. Same with the Republicans. When Republicans held the White House and the Congress, it was horrifying.

Balance is better.

utahnotmormon
It was horrific because they all acted like Democrats at a money spending contest. Bush may have an R behind his name but he is no conservative and the Republicans in congress put on sailor suits and started drinking heavy. How do we avoid bankruptcy if the ALL act this way?

RON PAUL MONEY TRAIN!
RON PAUL DID IT AGAIN!
Paul’s money train steamrolls on

THEHILL-Insurgent White House hopeful Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) is on pace to shatter his own one-day GOP online fundraising record, taking in an eye-popping $3 million through the first 14 hours of Sunday, his campaign said.

Paul, who raised $4.2 million in a single day in November, is poised to eclipse that total. He started the day with slightly less than $11.5 million raised in the fourth quarter, according to an aide. At 2:30 p.m., the contribution total on the campaign’s website said that the total was now $14.6 million and climbing steadily.

WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/ron-paul-did-it-ag ain

Taking our country back
Salena,

Two articles in a row yet no word whatsoever of the only republican, conservative candidate. It's time to face the music Salena, we the people are fed up with the mainstream media telling us who we can vote for. We're fed up with your RINO nominees and we are taking our country back.

Join the Ron Paul revolution and save America.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

wayward1, USN Ret.

Rudy vs. Hillary


Can’t we do better than these two?

Giuliani: If I Have A Presidential Mistress, She Will Get Security Too!

Giuliani’s Answer Was ‘Flimsy,’ Says ‘Tough-Talking New Yorker’

Giuliani Defends, Employs Priest Accused of Molesting Teens

Hillary’s Hsu indicted

Weapons Industry Dumps Republicans, Backs Hillary

Hillary, Bush For Open Borders!

WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/rudy-vs-hillary

Twas the Clinton spin machine....
that began the election cycle a full year before the norm. A full year for "we the people" to organize and throw out the status quo. It doesn't stop with the pres. elections folks. Then we target the career politicians like Reed, Pelosi, Kennedy, McCain and any other politician who has accepted money from paid lobbyists or special interest groups.

The revolution is just beginning....

Climb aboard!

Ron Paul?
Supporters of Ron Paul are going to have to wake up before they all go broke supporting a man that has ZERO chance of winning. He does not, and will not represent the GOP if elected, and that's exactly what these anarchists want.

Giuliani - I don't trust him
But I would vote for him over a Demo.

Still, I like Hunter, Tancredo and Thompson best. The rest...a very poor 4th and beyond.

RINO supporters
are going to have to wake up and realize that there are no longer two parties within the US policial spectrum.

There are zero differences between Clinton, Guliani, McCain, Huckabee or Obama.

None of the current GOP frontrunners represent true conservative values that made this nation the leader of the free world.

Wake up and take back your country.

I believe in constitutional limits but according to idiots like Con4fred I'm a anarchist. Good grief....

the Iowa Winner.
The Iowa winner will either be Huckabee or McCain. McCain is a ling shot, but he is popular amongst Iowans. Huck has the momentum and the religious vote. New Hampshire will be Romney, South Carolina will be Huckabee again. From there Florida will decide who the next president will be. I predict Florida will nominate Huckabee.

Neoclown4Fred
Close your eyes, tap your heels together three times and repeat your mantra over and over again.

It won't change a thing.

You and your kind are ancient history

Ron Paul Revolution 08

You ain't in Kansas anymore, sport.

Fred in IA
I just read a puff piece on Fred (if you can call it that). Seems he will be in IA for the next 5 days doing local TV interviews (freebies). In and around all of the hype was a very clear indication that Fred did not have enough money to run ads (more or less quote from the article).

Where has all of Fred's money gone? If he can't run ads in IA he is broke and can't run them in SC or any place else.

Anybody have any insight on Fred's finances? Is he broke or just not willing to put any money into IA?

Good. Giuliani is the weakest cannidate
Give up on Giuliani. Conservatives don't want him. Neither do most Americans.

Now I also suggest you let go of some other GOP nominees in the following order. McCain, he works against us more than for us. Romney, he might be saying the right things now, but why gamble when there are cannidates who are more conservative. Thompson, hasn't been doing good since he started running, and though he would be much better than some of these guys, he isn't quite as conservative as some people make him out to be, besides all this, you do not have to be a hollywood actor to win votes.

Ok, now that you have let Giuliani,McCain,Romney and Thompson go we can have a good GOP primary wihtout having to worry about someone getting elected just because they are supposedly well known, and rich.

A great conservative choice is Huckabee, Tancredo or Hunter.


TNBoy
Huckabee is too weak on enforcing immigration laws, the only solution i see to solving the problems being caused by illegal aliens. That leaves Hunter and Tancredo.

Rudy's Reality
These are the poll numbers for Rudy.

Nationally 19-21
IA 9
NH 16
MI 19
NV 17
SC 16
FL 19
CA 24 old poll

In the states where the campaign has been fought Rudy is losing. His national numbers are weak. He is not defeated but he probably will be after losing the first 6 primaries (including Wyo). He will lose FL. As Huckabee's negatives become better known, Romney is best positioned to win the first 7 primaries.

His heart is not in it
Giuliani's problem is that his heart is not in it. He's never given 100%, never tried his hardest.

This has been obvious for months. I think he told his family and friends: I'll put my name up for nomination, and if I win I win and if I don't I don't.

Making a Virtue of Necessity
Giuliani's strategy may be wrong, but what choice did he have? He calculated--correctly, I believe--that he is too "big city" to play well in a predominantly rural state like Iowa so he decided to concentrate on the big delegate states.
Florida is certainly winnable for him given the retired ex-New Yorkers living there and their more moderate leanings on social issues.
However, Giuliani is hardly anyone's second choice and if the winners in Iowa and New Hampshire start to fade, he is unlikely to benefit.
Iowa is not a show stopper for Giuliani, but if he does not win New Hampshire or finish a respectable second there, he's got big problems.

I suspected (and hoped) that Rudy's

big lead was due to "name recognition."

Other than Rudy basically being a lib, and the last thing we need is another adulterer in OUR White House.







Money talks, go Ron
Any American who does not support Ron Paul fully deserves to continue being sodomized by the Federal government. If you refuse to be liberated from this illegitimate, unconstitutional nanny state, no one can make you. Enjoy your subservience; as a man greater than any of us said, "give me liberty or give me death!"

Mr. McCain
Undying respect and gratitude for your service. Undying contempt and disdain for your "Gang of 14" actions that hijacked the Senate and derailed the career of Bill Frist. You saw an honest man that was a true leader, that put people before politics and set out, naturally, to destroy him. You will never be President, never. It's over, go home, take Mr Biden out with you.

Savage99.
Huckabee has the endorsement of the founder of the Minute Men. Huckabee, has listened to people's concerns about the border, and unlike someone like Giuliani, Huckabee actually cares about how people feel about issues.

As far as Tancredo and Hunter go, they are very much for enforcing laws against illegal immegration.

Romney
Rudy is history. Mitt will overtake th temporary blip on the radar called Huck. Mitt views the presidency like its a business, an apt approach. Democrats act like the US is a laboratory for a large social engineering project. Lets see how we can make our world Politically Correct!

Rudy

I'd like to think Rudy is in big trouble, because I am dead set against him.

But I think nobody really knows where things are headed.

For Giuliani not to be toppled by doing poorly in the early primaries, he will have to somehow figure out a way to stay in the news. It seems like there might be ways to do that. Maybe what he will need to do is whoever comes out of the early primaries strong, whether it be Hucakbee, Romney, or Thompson, Giuliani can then go on the attack. That will get his name back in the news.


By the way, that picture of Huckabee, Giuliani, and McCain is priceless. The caption should read:

"Republican candidates for President discuss strategy for erasing America's immigration laws and merging the nations of North America."

TN Boy

I don't know whether you are just one heck of a chump to believe the Huckster's claim he will enforce the immigration laws, but if you listen to the people who have been in the immigration enforcement movement they will tell you that Huck is America's worst nightmare. With one exception, of course, Jim Gilchrist. Apparently Gilchrist wanted some attention and none of the candidates besides Huckabee would return his calls, so he became buddies with Huckabee. Apparently Gilchrist has gotten so much flak over his treason, however, that he is reconsidering.

But you may not be a chump, you may just be a Huckabee cheerleader trying to peddle Huckabee's lies.

I don't know whether Republicans will wise up to the fraud named Mike Huckabee in time to stop him, but I guarantee I will do my best to expose him.

TN Boy
"Huckabee, has listened to people's concerns about the border, and unlike someone like Giuliani, Huckabee actually cares about how people feel about issues."


You know, that comment you made just reminded me of someone. A guy named Bill Clinton. People would go in to talk to him and come out believing he was the second coming of Christ. They believed he really understood their problems and was going to do everything he could to help them.

Only problem was, Clinton made the same kind of promises to everyone. And of course he never kept any of those promises.


I wonder if it's something in the water down there in Little Rock?

Giuliani IS fading
Since we are all making predictions, here are mine.

Iowa:
1- Huckabee's recent surge will fade rapidly within the next few weeks as people start to hear about how much he raised taxes, the VERY questionable pardons, the borderline corruption relative to the gifts he received, and even the media might start to report some of Huckabee's family problems with his son. (They haven't left anything sacred relative to Fred, Giuliani, and Romney's personal lives.)
2- Romney's better organized and better funded campaign will actually get caucus votes and he wins Iowa.
3- Meanwhile, Ron Paul gets a higher than expected vote count even in Iowa. This raises some positive media attention. (Keep in mind, he has raised $20 million this quarter!)

New Hampshire:
1- It will be a close call between Romney and Ron Paul but the big story is Ron Paul. The past polls showing him far behind will have been inaccurate because their data relies heavily on likely Republican primary voters but Ron Paul's support doesn't come from that group. Ron Paul scores a very close second.

SC and NV:
Mitt Romney gets the support from Huckabee's former voters and wins over Mccain and Thompson. From then on, McCain and Thompson are dead to the media and dead to everyone else (just like Duncan Hunter and Tancredo are now). Ron Paul continues to do well. (Remember the $20 million?)

Super Tuesday: It becomes a very interesting race indeed. The media pitts the battle as being between Ron Paul, Mitt Romney and Giuliani on Super Tuesday. Ron Paul won't get the national turnout from the liberal and Libertarian voters from whom he has received the bulk of his campaign donations. The rest of the support that would've went to McCain, Thompson or Huckabee has now shifted to Romney who wins out.

An interesting question... Could there be a Romney/Paul ticket?
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