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Sunday, September 23, 2007
Salena Zito :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Club for Growth 2008
by Salena Zito
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Thirteen days ago, a full-page ad questioning the patriotism of Gen. David Petraeus was placed in The New York Times by the liberal anti-war group MoveOn.org. It added real heat to the 2008 presidential season.

For many liberals, the red-meat issue is ending the war in Iraq. MoveOn.org’s tactics have effectively made it the standard-bearer for that issue.

For many conservatives the red meat is the economy, and their standard-bearer is the Club for Growth, led by is president, Pat Toomey.

In an interview, Toomey said that he has no problem taking aggressive positions like MoveOn.org, but only within the realm of economics. The club takes no stance on other red-meat issues of the conservative base such as illegal immigration and cultural decay.

Toomey says that in the “issue matrix,” the MoveOn.org ad generated far more titillation than the full page the Club for Growth took out in The Wall Street Journal calling out Congress’ proposed protectionist policies against China. It is a policy that Toomey says echoes the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act that helped deepen the Great Depression.

“In time of war, war understandably displaces everything else, but the prospects of our economy are never far behind.” Toomey adds that the economy is the spine of the country “so national security ultimately depends entirely on economic security.”

Just because the club is all about the numbers it would be a mistake to liken its approach to that of mild-mannered bean-counters. Toomey said he does not back down when it comes to taking on candidates who do not practice fiscal discipline.

For the 2008 campaign, the Club for Growth has already posted on its Web site thoroughly researched “white papers” that inform voters about the economic records of the various candidates for president.

The club focuses on spending, taxes, trade, regulation, school choice and tort reform.

Two GOP presidential candidates that will never get the club’s nod are Sen. John McCain and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.

Toomey calls Huckabee a “serial tax hiker”’ and gives McCain multiple wrist slaps for his opposition to the Bush tax cuts, his hostility to repeal of the death tax and his willingness to impose additional federal regulations on the economy.

One candidate who gets “particularly high marks for his accomplishments” from Toomey is former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Toomey said that “Giuliani performed outstanding in a very difficult liberal environment that had big budget deficits and a bloated bureaucracy. He came in and cut taxes, cut spending and sold off city assets. He really accomplished quite a lot considering the very liberal city council he had to deal with.”

Toomey does not see the club getting involved with the Republican primary if Giuliani, Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney remain the front-runners.

“They have all demonstrated a pretty solid commitment to economic growth,” Toomey said. “The only prospect in which I would really want us to step up our activities is if there was a surprising surge from either McCain or Huckabee.”

Toomey dismisses the notion that Republicans lack enthusiasm for 2008. He points to the Democrats’ big win in 2006 and the fact that they have a clear front-runner in Hillary Clinton as the basis for their energy.

“If Giuliani wins the nomination, he would be a fascinating candidate in the sense that he really re-draws the map,” Toomey said.

He points out that Giuliani could carry New Jersey, Connecticut and Pennsylvania “so he changes the political calculus of the Electoral College dramatically.”

“The unknown challenge with Giuliani,” said Toomey, “are the social conservatives.”

“Look,” laughed Toomey. “Hillary Clinton will energize Republicans like nobody’s business … just wait until they hear Hillary Clinton give her acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention next summer.”

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What's wrong with the death tax?
Something I've never understood is the opposition to a death tax. The truth is we have to tax SOMEONE to keep the government going, and I can think of nobody better to tax than RICH DEAD PEOPLE.

The vast majority of the American wealthy earned their wealth by contributing to society. They deserve to live richly because of it. But their heirs haven't earned a cent of that wealth - shouldn't they have to prove themselves in the free market, too, before enjoying the high life?

You can say "one of the things a wealthy man has earned is the right to help his children prosper". But the floor for the death tax is so high that if it affects you at all, you'll be able to leave your children enough to get the best education and health care, with no debt. From that padded start, shouldn't they then have to prove themselves?

You can say "the death tax harms small businesses and farms" but there are PROVISIONS in the death tax code to prevent this from happening. And from what I can tell these provisions are very effective, because not one death tax critic has been able to give me a single example of this happening.

Some good conservative here please explain this to me :)

Kahryl
If you need highway robbery explained to you perhaps you've got bigger problems than the death tax.

Petraeus Wore False Medal At Testimony

The officer corps in Iraq have created a quiet scandal in their awarding of medals - inconsistently and far too often to themselves. David Petraeus is the most egregious example. Entering combat in 2003 for the first time as a 54-year-old Major General, he received a hero's combat medal. (Note the young Marine's saluting hand - other one's gone, too.). Petraeus biographies have him under fire in Najaf. No serious fire incident other than the 30 March mortar shell is described by either V Corps embed Komarow (now a senior editor at AP) nor Rick Atkinson, Pulitzer-prize embed with the 101st Airborne and Petraeus's constant companion. Disturbingly, the Army describes the incident quite differently. Even if conceivably true, this patently silly propaganda story would not rise to the risking of blood and bone associated with the Bronze Star for Valor. Scandal and propaganda denying credibility, reason an decency insist that the medal Petraeus wore before the Congress was a cynical, fraudulent misrepresentation of combat valor for the sake of ambition and political convenience.

See version here for links: http://www.washblog.com/story/2007/9/23/35212/7032

Here is one exampole of death tax excess
Joe Robbie, owner of a sports franchise passed away.
Instead of being able to assume the ownership of this franchise the family had to sell it to pay the death taxes.
They were wealthy by comparison but they would be a lot wealthier if they could've held ownership.
This was a high profile instance so it stuck in memory. However, it happens all the time.

dlaw
Petraeus,
also has three purple hearts without ever once being in a hospital, shot an enemy in the back and received a bronze star, and was in Cambodia over Christmas.
Oh wait, wrong guy!

Federal Estate Taxes
kick in at 2 million now and in 2008. The average farm size in the Midwest is about 500 acres. The average price is about $3000.00 per acre. Based on that, you are already at 1.5 million in worth for the average farm in land alone. Throw in a combine, tractor, barn, house and assorted other farm equipment and you will easily hit the $2 million mark. If your farm is above the average size you are in trouble. The problem with the death tax is not only with the idea of taxes at death, but also the confistigatory rate structure of the tax.

The reason more people are not hit with this is the things that people do to avoid it. They will split up the farm into sections between children so that each receives less than the limit. Turn the farm into a corporation with several stock holders so that inheritance is not an issue. There are many other methods of hiding the value. Note that outside of farming, the wealthy place their money in "trusts" to avoid this shakedown. All of these methods involve the tax accountant.

All this tax does is provide an income for tax lawyers to figure out the best method of avoiding the tax. This is why congress will not get rid of it. It is a make work program for lawyers and congress if full of lawyers.

HOW IT ALL HAPPENED
The estate tax was created in reaction to John D. Rockefeller and his empire. The idea was to prevent concentration of wealth in the hands of a few,

In real life terms, the estate tax has had just the opposite effect of what was intended. Too many families have no choice but to sell a profitable independent business or farm because they don't have the money to pay the estate taxes. The business or farm is then sold to a corporate giant, thus killing a competitor, or a filthy rich foreigner with no love of America.

Many Americans complain about the dull sameness of American cities and small towns. Did it ever occur to anyone that the estate tax contributes to the sameness by killing the independent businesses that add diversity to a community?

Club for Growth
Oh, yeah!
That's the Group for Greed.
That's the Group for Amnesty.
That's the Group for "We can't compete unless we cheat"

Club For Growth
And the Chamber of Commerce are part of the cheap labor express. They want Rudy because they know he will keep it running.

If the GOP thinks they can continue to import cheap labor for their donors at the expense of the citizens, they will. I will not vote for that again. If it takes crushing the GOP so a new party representing American citizens can arise, so be it. If we continue to play the game of "the other guy is worse", we will lose our country. Sorry, but I will not participate in that game any longer. The GOP power brokers think we will vote for "anybody but a Democrat" so they can continue to ignore securing the borders and enforcing the laws. I'm hoping GOP primary voters give the party elites some surprises in the primaries. It's going to have to be a grass roots effort. The levers of power and the money in the GOP are all in the hands of the cheap labor express. I want to vote for a GOP candidate in Nov.'08, but I will not vote for any of the amnesty supporters. I oppose changing the laws to suit those breaking them.

The so-called "top tier" will not get out the voters necessary for a GOP win. Increasing turnout is the key. Give people something to vote for. Not just the lesser of two evils. Won't work this time. People are fed up with the inundation of illegal aliens. They would come out in droves for the clear choice of D=amnesty or R=enforcement. They will stay home if they both equal amnesty.

a

Superb response (5:59 a.m. post) to a completely off-point submission from dlaw (4:26 a.m. post). Thank you.

Free Trade is Its Motto
One of the Club for Growth's primary goals is free trade. So I guess it has a proven track record. Just look at the free trade with China and Mexico. The trade from Mexico is even brought to us by the illegals. Sarkozy of France has a program in the works to get rid of 25,000 illegals by the end of the year. That is about 8 percent of the total of 300,000 to 400,000 in the country. For us that would equal about 1.7 million if we have 20 million illegals. Think Presidente Jorge Bush could do the same a Sarkozy?

Quick edit!
You wrote, "Two GOP presidential candidates that will never get the club’s nod are Sen. John McCain and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee. More"

My edit would have read, "Two GOP presidential candidates who will never get the club’s nod are Sen. John McCain and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee. More"

You sound like an abortionist!


Where tha Club Should Concentrate
Energy production is the most critical issue facing us now. Our nations economy is based on energy usage and putting more domestic production in place is vital to our long term economic health.

The trade deficit is largely driven by the importation of oil. That deficit is driving the dollar down and at the same time financing military expansion by countries that would see us destroyed. Those same dollars sent overseas come back to buy assets within the US. We are giving ourselves away in order to drive to work. Those that fight the expansion of energy production within the US are empowering our enemies and putting our freedoms at risk.

We are in possession of vaste reserves of oil, coal and natural gas. We also have nuclear technology that is capable of producing all the electricity we need. That these resources are not being fast tracked into production is a criminal betrayal of the American people.

Club for Growth
What has been the Club for Growth's stance on the fiscal "responsibility" of George W Bush? Before I finally gauge its respectability I need to perform simple diagnostics. If anyone has an answer for me I would appreciate it.

Free Trade is Good, but...

The Lefties are pushing "bad economy" to the extreme. The Left will certainly spin this as a right-wing problem next year. And we had better be able to stick the economy in their face.

There truely is a "massive" increase in border security underway. The results will be a "massive" drop in unemployement next year, and this is bad for Democrats. And, we need to show the result to the American voter.

Hillary cannot be allowed to invoke, "it's the economy stupid". There is no recession, and she will try to create one, if only in our feeble minds. We will vote with our wallets, not Iraq. Republicans must boast the great economy, it's there... use it.

MoveOn
It blows my mind that MoveOn.org PAC consists of 17 widely dispersed relatively unknown people tied together by leveraging the internet to collect dollars to buy Democrat candidates very soul.

They are led by one man named "Pariser" a pied piper of demagoguery and also financially beholden to George Soros that virtually rules the Democrat Party because they controls the purse strings.

One guy that America does not know that is leading the Democrats around by the nose.

This is sickening display of a Democrat party of no backbone and a travesty of American Politics

That Said It All
He came in and cut taxes, cut spending and sold off city assets. He really accomplished quite a lot considering the very liberal city council he had to deal with.”

Rudy is the only one of the Repubs with a track record that gives any indication that he can beat the Dems and then accomplish what needs to be done. We dont want Hillary and we dont want an ineffective half-hearted Republican. Rudy all the way!.

Sad stae of affiars
if our only choice is between Hillary and Rudy.

Don't Bet on Rudy

Don't bet on Rudy holding the GOP base. Many will not bother if the choice is New York liberal A or B. Or R or D.

"red meat"?
"For many conservatives the red meat is the economy"

How many?

For every column on townhall.com dealing with the economy, I must see three times as many columns dealing with social and moral issues.

If you want to get whoops and cheers from a conservative audience, you don't talk about cutting taxes. You talk about gun rights and ending abortion. That's a proven fact (and was reinforced by the GOP speakers at the NRA convention this past week).


for kahryl
Kahryl claims: "But the floor for the death tax is so high that if it affects you at all, you'll be able to leave your children enough to get the best education and health care, with no debt."

That's FALSE. From the IRS's own website:

"Most relatively simple estates (cash, publicly traded securities, small amounts of other, easily valued assets and no special deductions or elections or jointly held property) with a total value under $1,000,000 and a date of death in 2002 or 2003, under $1,500,000 and a date of death in 2004 or 2005, and under $2,000,000 and a date of death in 2006 or 2007 do not require the filing of an estate tax return."

One or two million of today's inflated dollars is NOT a lot of wealth. In the private sector, many average Americans have socked away that much in their 401(k) plans long before they reach retirement.

A million dollars seemed like a lot of money back in 1960 when a 3 bedroom house cost only $25,000 and a luxury car cost only $2,000, and many corporate executives earned only $25,000 a year in salary. Not any more. Today, a million dollars is a typical upper-middle-class 401(k) plan.


for dlaw
dlaw writes: "Scandal and propaganda denying credibility, reason an decency insist that the medal Petraeus wore before the Congress was a cynical, fraudulent misrepresentation of combat valor for the sake of ambition and political convenience."

I think you're attempts to smear Petraeus' earning of his medals is a truly WONDERFUL strategy for you lefties. I truly hope you get Hillary to start questioning whether Petraeus deserved his medals. Heck, I hope you get the entire Democratic Party to write into their 2008 Platform that "Petraeus does not deserve his medals." I would give real money to see that happen.

Please run with this talking-point as much as you possibly can. You definitely need to channel Dan Rather on this one.

Club for Growth dispises George Bush
I have had them into talk at school functions, and they are not kind to Bush and his ilk.

Remember that their leader, Pat Toomey opposed Arlen Specter in the PA primary, and Bush and the rest of the spineless national leadership supported Specter over Toomey. (Specter rewarded Bush by being a jerk on judicial picks.)

I have been a big fan of the Club for Growth for some time. Their general view on immigration comes from their view on free trade. Labor can be traded just like anything else. BUT, that doesn't mean that they support allowing illegals to be here, or social spending for them, or anything else.

Look, one can be in favor of lowered tariffs without supporting smuggling operations. The Club for Growth recognizes that lower barriers to trade is good for our citizens, and not merely our business folks. Just don't confuse that with a desire to support illegal immigration or amnesty programs that reward poor behavior.

Check them out yourself at http://www.clubforgrowth.org/.

Labor Trading
When labor can be traded across national boundaries like any commodity, citizenship becomes meaningless. When citizenship becomes meaningless, this is no longer The United States of America.

roberto: Most people are tired of YOU!
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Touj 5:03pm
In Mississippi it also made, by my actual count, over 100 both black and white, died-in-the wool, "my Daddy voted Democrat and I will never vote anything but Democrat" types withdraw their membership from the Democrat Party. Over half of these people told me that they WILL NOT vote Democrat again, until their former party renounces this ad.

Mississippi is a small state. If over 100 people did it here, what happened in the larger states?

Please, tell MoveOn.org to keep the ads coming!

Ms. Zito says...
"For many conservatives the red meat is the economy, and their standard-bearer is the Club for Growth, led by its president, Pat Toomey. "

If this is the case then conservatives deserve to lose come 11/4/08. Nothing against Mr. Toomey but he is stuck in the 1990's. Along w/the WSJ/U.S. Chamber crowd. Not that they're stuck but they're trying to sell the solid GOP voters a bill of goods. Easy sell there. No problem. But they're leaving out the most important factor. The solid GOP country club Republicans can't win the election for them. It'll take the Reagan democrats and Independents. And these folks are not enthusiastic about what Mr. Twomey, Ms Zito and the GOP Hierarchy are trying to jam down their throats.

And they will not bother to show up at the polls on 11/4/08 or if they do it will be to protest vote for some 3rd party candidate. DD


Patriotism, illegal aliens, and
UN criticism are the 3 issues that right wing candidates can win on. None of these issues will alienate anyone with the slightest notion of voting Republican, whereas many other issues would turn off as many in the base as they add from the center.

Duncan Hunter
Virginia Patriot is on key, so is Savage 99.
Duncan Hunter, of course, is anathema to Club for Growth, I suppose.

BUT THE CAMPAIGN IS ABOUT MORE THAN MONEY. NATIONAL SURVIVAL IS THE ISSUE OVERARCHING ALL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

Duncan Hunter, patriot and thoughtful, effective Representative is the ONLY one worth my consideration. Duncan Hunter is the EXCEPTIONAL REPUBLICAN IT WILL TAKE TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY AND SERVE IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF AMERICANS.

PROVE IT
"BTW I just re-checked my sources and apparently the 5,000 member sign-up happened the day of the congressional move to censure Moveon. I guess people were not so convinced that congress had solved all it's problems and had plenty of time to waste."


Recommendations from the Club for Growth
The Club for Growth has been for pushing tax cuts, spending restraint, and an orientation for free market capitalism for years. I'm all for it! I put weight on the following quote from the article:

Toomey does not see the club getting involved with the Republican primary if Giuliani, Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney remain the front-runners.

“They have all demonstrated a pretty solid commitment to economic growth,” Toomey said. “The only prospect in which I would really want us to step up our activities is if there was a surprising surge from either McCain or Huckabee.”

Club for Debt


Club for Growth gave high rankings to out of control spending Congressmen! DEBT DOES MATTER!

GAO Chief David Walker: Economic Disaster Looms

NM-AUSTIN, Texas – David M. Walker sure talks like he’s running for office. “This is about the future of our country, our kids and grandkids,” the comptroller general of the United States warns a packed hall at Austin’s historic Driskill Hotel. “We the people have to rise up to make sure things get changed.”

But Walker doesn’t want, or need, your vote this November. He already has a job as head of the Government Accountability Office, an investigative arm of Congress that audits and evaluates the performance of the federal government.

Basically, that makes Walker the nation’s accountant-in-chief. And the accountant-in-chief’s professional opinion is that the American public needs to tell Washington it’s time to steer the nation off the path to financial ruin.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/gao-chief-david-walker-economic-disaster-looms

Club for Growing the Deficit
It's too bad the Club for Greed doesn't spend as much capital and energy targeting runaway spenders on Capitol Hill -- on both sides of the aisle. For the Right to harp about tax cuts without the requisite spending cuts is as short-sighted and foolish as the Left is with its tax-and-spend mentality. Both sides are intellectually dishonest!

And why is the Club for Greed afraid of Huckabee? He's the only one advocating the Fair Tax, so far as I've heard. I guess the Club for Greed doesn't want to see any tax attorneys or accountants lose their jobs from simplifying the tax code...

Do we really need another Wall Street-Ivy League stiff (Republican or Democrat) in the White House who is hopelessly disconnected from middle America?

Club for Growth?
Inserted in this piece is another plug for Rudy, This Zito woman is shilling for Giuliani, and I think she misdirects the national priorities by claiming that the economy is of paramount importance to lots of conservatives.

Of course everybody wants a good economy, but as far as priorities are concerned illegal immigration and the war are certainly of more concern than the economy.

I do not trust Zito. I wouldn't loose a minutes sleep if she disappeared from TH.

Club for Growth
Other than Congress, the single largest group of blue-blood country club neocons that we can readily identify. Their credibility level is zero, specially now that their Rudy cheerleaders. Nobody will ever make the case that he's conservative.

Silence Speaks Volumes
Let me see if I've got this straight...an orgainzation with the mission of promoting fiscal conservatism and economic growth has NO position on illegal immigration? Perhaps Mr. Toomey and his gang needs to read some of the studies from Robert Rector at the Heritage foundation. He estimated that the failed Senate amnesty bill would have cost American taxpayers 2.6 trillion dollars -- and apparantly Mr. Toomey and his organization just sat there with their hands in their pockets and let others debate the immense fiscal ramifications of this awful piece of legislation.

Mr. Toomey; desperately poor, uneducated, English-challenged 3rd worlders simply use up way more in benefits then anything that they contribute to our economy regardless of how hard working and honest they may be. That's just the facts of life in a modern day welfare state such as the United States where judges have made sure that illegals are entitled to a buffet of goodies that don't ring up cheap to the taxpayers of this country. How an orgranization such as yours can sit on the sidelines on this debate of extreme fiscal consequences just baffles me greatly.

Is it because your financial backers have bought your silence on this matter of great economic importance because they like the status quo that has brought a flood of cheap labor into this country just fine? Your silence on the illegal invasion speaks volumes about your ogranization and its motives -- gaining subsidies in the form of cheap and illegal labor for your connected contributors while passing along their true costs to the American taxpayer.

Immigration is not black and white
the details of each plan are important. That is why the Club for Growth stays away from endorsing specific plans...as soon as they endorsed it, some critical aspect would change.

They are definitely against redistribution of wealth, whether to citizens, legal or illegal immigrants.

If we stopped giving people stuff, much of the angst about immigation would go away. Much would not, too, but one thing at a time.

W

CruiseMissil,
Immigration is black and white. Illegal immigrants violate our laws coming here. They committ identity theft when they obtain false documents in order to work here. They are a drain on resources here. There is no gray in that picture.


As far as Toomey and his group, the problem is not that they can't make specific recommendations. The problem is that they choose to ignore a problem that has monumental financial consequences for every American.

Club For Growth
They want the cheap labor express to continue, their members are profitting handsomely. We, the citizens, are paying the true costs, financial and human, of the unchecked inundation of our country by illegal aliens. They do not care about such things as citizenship, sovereignty, the rule of law. What matters to them is the bottom line.

Cruise Missle
Cruise Missle, ILLEGAL "immigration" is black and white and that is specifically what The Club for Growth has chosen to ignore. How could an organization whose organizing purpose is the analysis of fiscal policy and the economy choose to ignore an issue with such immense fiscal consequence? The only answer is that many of its members and contributors support the status quo of the unchecked flow of desperately poor 3rd worlders into our country. If the CFG is against the redistribution of wealth as you claim, then there can be absolutely no way possible for them to support illegal "immigration" -- plain and simple this is a subsidy the American taxpayers are forced to give to employers of cheap labor.

Robert Rector's analysis is not really specific to any one immigration plan. It simply tells us that poor uneducated people no matter how hard working or honest cost us more in services than they contribute in taxes -- whether native born, legal immigrant, or illegal "immigrant". Therefore to say that "the details of each plan are important" is spurious at best. Any plan that seeks to bring more poor uneducated people to our country ultimately inhibits our growth and prosperity.

Finally, while you and I might agree that we should stop giving people stuff, the reality is that ain't ever going to change. To ignore this reality is to simply live in some fantasy world -- Milton Freidman, an otherwise open borders advocate said just as much.

Toomey brilliant
Pat Toomey is one of the most brilliant fiscal scholars in America and would have been an outstanding Senator.

Hopefully, we can persuade him to run for Governor here in PA, to replace Fat Eddie Rendell, who's not only spending everything the "slots parlors" are making as fast as they can churn it out, but wants to make interstate highways into toll roads to finance corrupt and bloated mass transit systems in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh....

After Rendell's effort to spend every dollar in Pennsylvania, it would be refreshing to see Toomey bring about some much needed fiscal responsibility....
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