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Sunday, July 08, 2007
Salena Zito :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama Catches Fire With Netroots
by Salena Zito
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Total 2007 primary dollars raised: $55.7 million.

Total 2007 number of individual donors: 258,000.

In a word, Barack Obama’s second-quarter fundraising numbers are shattering. There never has been anything like it. For a guy who was in the Illinois Senate three years ago not only to be in the top tier of his party's fundraising but to have raised the most of any candidate in a quarter is mind-boggling.

One thing Obama’s success does speak to is the maturation of the “netroots”: If you have an incredible story and a compelling case to be made, you can catch fire among the political activists in the blogosphere. It's not always about a thick Rolodex and an institutional operation. A fantastic chapter in politics has not been written about the netroots movement – and that is, how does a candidate cross the threshold of being presidential while maintaining the cause that enabled him to catch fire?

Can that chapter be written now?

Has the blogosphere moved past puberty and matured enough to propel a candidate into the Oval Office? Certainly the importance of the blogosphere has increased exponentially since it first weighed in during the 2004 presidential election.

So why Obama and not Hillary? Iraq.

One litmus test exists for the blogosphere and that is how a candidate voted on the Iraq war authorization bill in 2002. Hillary voted for the war originally – a cardinal sin. End of story.

The other interesting thing about Obama is that, while positioning himself as the outsider/change candidate, he also has plenty of establishment figures working for him – long-term insider folks like Illinois’ U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin, the Democrats' whip, and former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota.

Initially, Democrat John Edwards owned the netroots. But not so much now. Part of his problem is that the Democratic Party really cries out for “new” and doesn’t look kindly on retread candidacies.

Edwards needs a miracle to move his numbers; he is completely mispositioned in Iowa. While he is well-liked and still the front-runner, he is not viewed as presidential. With his candidacy based on an Iowa win, a defeat there next February would deflate his bid. Each day brings erosion of Edwards' once-stellar netroots support.

While detached from the netroots movement, Hillary certainly does not lack good news. Competitive on money, ahead in the polls and in every debate and forum the candidates have had, she is the one who makes all the headlines.

For front-runners, the classic strategy is to avoid debates. For Hillary, the opposite is true: She does so well in such events and stands so far above the crowd that she should debate as often as possible.

Hillary talks the way most people write in their third draft. And she is better liked by the Democrat establishment with a very hard-core following.

But Obama clearly has caught fire with the netroots. And that success should beget success in everything.

The netroots are looking to be inspired. Right now, they think Obama's a winner. It’s a case of audacity versus inevitability and excitement versus establishment.

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Tancredo/Duncan Hunter
this proves we do not have to accept the globalist swine top tier candidates. Who the corporate interests say are the only ones who can win.

We can nominate and fund a second tier candidate.

Obama: Beware the secret ballot.
People do strange things in the secrecy of the voting booth.They can vote anyway they want,no matter what they say outside the voting booth.Iowa has too much public caucus voting in the primaries.Voters have to stand up in front of their friends and families to vote.When has the winner of Iowa caucus went on to win the White House or even the nomination of his party?I think it is pretty rare.There is no substitute for the secret ballot.

GOP
Republicans won't vote for Obama, IMHO

One Nation
I think a lot of people are sick of divisiveness. When Obama made that first big speech and said, "We aren't the Red States and the Blue States, we are the UNITED States of America" the crowd went crazy. Obama is attractive because he holds up the promise of one nation. The question is whether this will be defeated by those whose success lies in continuing the divisiveness that have they so masterfully fostered.

SCAMNESTY
both Obama and Billary voted FOR scamnesty! if either are elected in 2008, it will be the final nail the US coffin of state and culture. we will cease to be one OUT of many and become only one OF many...

A uniter who likes a good class war
Obama a uniter? Sure, as long as you are on his side.

Democrats are a Terror Party
Osama represents the terrorists in every which way to Sunday. Not just jihad but moral terror that is destroying Americas foundation --------the family. His Pastor is an out and out terrorist that would kill you as well as not. He was raised as a Muslim that only kill non-innocents as determined by the killer who is the sole judge and jury.

Where's, this afraid to take a position, demagogue getting his money. Look to the Saudi's as his financier if you follow the money trail.

The Democrat Party is now the select party of Terrorists.

You will get your first in effect Muslim leader if this wimp gets in.

Obama represents all that is evil in the Democrat Party controlled by special interest groups (anti-war, anti Anti military, baby killers, killers of the old,destroyers of the family, promotion of AIDS and the Gay pandemic etc rot gut base!

Be careful what you wish for
The last time a "a totally inexperienced rank amateur" was voted into the presidency, we got Jimmy Carter.

Paul
I can't believe you wrote that post; even on townhall, which is like a tree full of squirrels, it stands out for sheer nonsense. Osama's pastor is not a terrorist who wants to kill Americans---during the Civil Rights era his church drew up a policy statement that honors the rights of black people---that hardly translates to "would kill you as well as not". The school Osama attended briefly in Indonesia when he was six years old was not a madrassa: that limp right-wing attempt at slander was thoroughly and immediately debunked---it was a public school with no religious emphasis whatsoever. The Saudis are financing Obama's campaign? He has more small American grass-roots contributors than any other candidate---how could the Arabs possibly funnel money through millions of individual Americans?

And yet your crazy rant goes on: the Democrats want to destroy the family? How are they doing that? They want to promote AIDS? How are they doing that? They are killing old people? How?

Hysteria doesn't help your party or your cause. It just makes them look nutty.

La Reina Picara
George W Bush qualified pretty well as a "rank amateur" when he became president---did you complain about that when he was running for office?

1) Bush had fewer years of experience in public office than Obama has now. Do some googling and compare.

2) Bush had no background in the law or public policy. Obama has a law degree, served as president of the Law Review at the University of Chicago (that means you are one of the most brilliant law students in the United States) and has taught Constitutional Law.


Obama is the "perfect" candidate
Obama is the "perfect" candidate for the Democrats. I too, watched his speech at the Democrat National Convention. He is well spoken; reasonably handsome, if you did something about his ears; is extremely leftwing, but does not come across as a raving lunatic, like most Leftists do; has virtually no public record to critique; and the best thing of all is that he is half-black. That gives them (white liberals) the option of voting for an African-American, without really voting for an African-American. Plus it cements the African-American voting block. Also, he doesn't have the negatives that HRC has, therefore making him more electable, thus, a more dangerous candidate.

Obama the socialist hack......
Hey Rocker, looks like you are a socialistic spoon fed strychnine kool aid drinker with that rediculus post. Obama for "president" please give me a break! And don't start me on McCain....

Obama is nothing more than a socialist in an empty suit. He has NO leadership experience, he has NO track record of supporting the military, he has NO new ideas to get America back on the track to prosperity.

Obama has NO integrity. He supposes to champion the cause of "global warming". But still drives his SUV, uses more electricity than most Americans, and uses private jets to travel the country. Obama certainly has NO integrity, he is a HYPOCRITE.

And anyone who votes for either the Rudy McRomney, or the Barack HillEdwards machines are no better than the terrorists that attacked America on September 11, 2001. With these empty suits who would allow our borders to remin wide open, and would practically welcome terrorists into our country with open arms to allow another tragedy that would make September 11th pale in comparison.

Stop the RINOs, and stop the DemocRats, they both HATE America.

Without appologies........

Netroots?
As I recall, Howard Dean was the Internet darling four years ago. If all Obama has is "netroots," his candidacy will follow a similar course. Internet/blogosphere has not the traction for the long haul.

Missing the point...
IIRC, the last guy to successfully exploit the net was Howard Dean. As it turned out he had zip public support amongst Democrats when primary time came around.

When you have a country with well over a quarter of a billion people in it all sorts of big movements can get going without making much of an impression on the country as a whole.

If, for example, you map the amount of web traffic against web usage you'd think that peer-to-peer sharing (swapping of movies and music) effectively owns America. While it's a far bigger thing that the thugs who run the RIAA and MPAA who vainly try to get it stopped with fake law suits it still isn't something that most Americans or even a lot of them do regularly or even at all.

Empty
Obama says that he is a blank slate, I think rather that he is an empty vessel.

Obama over Hillary...

We will suffer for 4 years either way... I just want to watch Billary fall on their faces!

One thing is for certain... a Democrat in the White House will give us a Republican Congress in short order.

It's never over!


Uniters are devious
What people really mean when they say they will unite the country is that they will try to move the whole country to help them attain their goals. Unless they are God or a magician, they aren't going to succeed. They certainly don't mean that they will convince all their followers to join the opposition in moving toward their goals. So, talking about uniting the country is completely disingenuous -- and people who buy into it are simply stupid.

Paul is Right, Lilly is Wrong
Obama's pastor is the very definition of the Black Separatist Movement. Obama knows this is political kryptonite, and has made efforts to distance himself, aided, of course, by a shilling Leftmedia that suppresses the story.

But it's going to get out and its going to become common knowledge with the electorate by Election Day. Clinton Inc will make sure of it. And what this says about Obama is that he is totally unfit to be President.

In any event, I'm willing to put down a marker today that the 'Rats will not take the White House in '08. All of the candidates, and all of the party activists on the Left have made the 'Rat Party a Hyper-McGovernite party that will lose in a land slide in a general election. 52% of the electorate already surveys that they will not vote for Hillary under any circumstances.

It is completely factual to say that the Dem platform for '08 consists of the following promises:

1) Raise taxes
2) Increase regulations over the private sector
3) Secure Defeat in Iraq
4) Socialize our Health Care Industry
5) Grant full amnesty to Illegal Aliens

Anyone who thinks this is a winning platform is delusional.

ROBERT

The biggest joy is saying to Democrats.."I told you so"!

In Michigan, we re-elected Democrat Governor, Jennifer Granholm. She is Hillary to the letter.. Every policy is the same.

All the UAW workers lined up for her... Now she is Suing the EPA to take their trucks off the road! HA! HA! UAW fools!

The crime in Detroit and anywhere near... Is the Same as 1977! Pure Horror! More kids have died in Detroit since 911, than actually died in 911. No Joke! More murders have occurred in MI than all US deaths in Iraq. But, we do have fewer cigarette smokers...Yeah Democrats!

Schools are not only failing in Detroit... but now all across the state! Yeah Democrats!

Government people are in rare form... Stealing everything! Including state trucks and trailers! State workers are all on disabilty this summer, and the state Police have no gas, really! Yeah Democrats!

But, don't worry, the Michigan Onion commission did get a pay raise? Yeah Democrats!

OBAMA said...
....over a year ago that he wasn't qualified to be President. I guess Soros told him he was and not to worry he would tell him what to do!

Dear lilly
Your questions to Paul deserve answers, so let's take them one by one:

1) The Democrats want to destroy the family? Yes. The American left, in accordance with their ideological masters Mr. Marx and Mr. Engels, believe the traditional family is "oppressive" and "patriarchical" (whatever these mean) and are seeking to replace it with what we today call a diversity of lifestyles.

2) How are they doing that? Very systematically. The Democratic front group the NEA is on record as stating "tolerance" for all forms of "family styles" should be taught in public schools at ALL grade levels. The Democraps also oppose any constitutional amendment to define marriage as a union of one man and one woman; the implication of this opposition should be clear as a bell, lilly baby! Moreover, most Democrap state legislators vote AGAINST such amendments to state constitutions, and its nearly always a Democrap who seeks to legally redefine marriage in state laws.

3) They want to promote AIDS? Yes, indeedy do!

4) How are they doing that? In two ways: by teaching and advocating the notion of moral relativism, which encourages young people engage in the sort of behavior that leads to AIDs, and by demonizing as "intolerant," "reactionary,"
"fascists," etc., anyone, especially Christians, who publicly defends traditional morality and the need for sexual self-control.

5) They are killing old people? Yes.

6)How? By advocating "right-to-die" laws, which as everyone who can think knows, will soon become "duty to die" laws.

Any more questions, lilly?

Obama = terrorist
I just can't fathom how these Dimocrats are backing Osama in such record numbers. Let's look at his record:

1) spent the majority of his childhood in a madrassa learning the ways of the Islamofascists

2) doesn't have a high school diploma

3) never went to college

4) has never held a job

5) middle name is Hussein (so is Sadam's...coincidence)

6) spits on babies for fun

7) voted to totally defund our military

8) is best friends with H. Chavez and F. Castro

9) wants to make Islamic law the final law in our country

10) hates America

Does this sound like the man we want running our country?

JimDawg/Great Patriot/R ELee
Yes, Obama (until he gave it up to go on the campaign trail) taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago School of Law. When he attended that same law school, he was president of the Law Review, which is the most prestigious job a law student can achieve and means you are really smart. I see by Lee's post that Obama never went to high school or college and was educated in a madrassa so in that case Obama must read nothing but Arabic; must have been a b**** trying to get through those law school books that are written in English.

Great Patriot, your post is clearly a put-on so doesn't deserve a serious response.

Lee: Another brilliant townhall opus. Yes, I do have one more question, and it's are you still having trouble getting your shoes on the correct feet? No, two questions, and here's the second: how did you get away from your keeper?

THE COUNTRY...ROBERT..

The USA has the strongest economy in all of History (Really)... but Democrat Michigan comes in at Last Place (#50). Hillary is our Governor's Idol (Really, she said so).

Bush gave a child tax credit...Michigan raised taxes... and business ran!

Bush gave money to states for terrorism preparedness... Michigan's Governor gave $160,000 of it to an Arab-American Org.??? (Really)

Bush gave money for free school lunches... Michigan gave it to the teacher's pension fund! (their #1 stock holding...Exxon Mobil) (Really).

Bush locks up criminals... Michigan's Governor Granholm sets thousands free (Really). But, don't worry, they're "White Collar". (13% Home-invaders, 17% breaking-entering homes, 18% car thieves) (Really).

Not to mention, 44% of offenders released have been in prison... 3 or more times. And 42% are substance abusers. Michigan is back to 1977... Really!

GO HILLARY!


Let moonbats be moonbats
I've always said that the greatest defense against the liberals is to let them be liberals. How did the Democrats re-gain control of Congress in '06? Was it by running a bunch of left-wing ideologues, beloved of the nutroots? No it was not. It was by running a bunch of "blue dog" Democrats, people who had served in the military, went to church, proclaimed themselves pro-life, had a lot of huntin’ and fishin’ stories (pro gun rights), etc. According to the marketing pitch, they were just “moderate conservatives” who happened to be wearing a donkey costume. Of course, once these “moderate conservatives” put SanFranNan in power, they were safely shuttled to the Democratic Caucus’ children’s table, where they could speak only if spoken to, and now, a short eight months later, our Congressional (Democrat) leadership consistently comes in lower than President Bush in the national polls. (Which is saying a heck of a lot.) The moral to the story is simple: Liberal democrats cannot win a national election. So if Obama wants to spend his 15 minutes of fame as the darling of Boston, San Francisco, and Berkeley, then more power to him.

lilly
"When Obama made that first big speech and said, "We aren't the Red States and the Blue States, we are the UNITED States of America" the crowd went crazy."

The key word here is "crazy". When a far-lefty speaks in front of an audience which is made up of 100% from the left base, did you expect any other response?

Kodiak
We have to give the blue-dog Dems a little credit where credit is due. They were instrumental in the amnesty bill defeat. When Pelosi said she wouldn't even bring an amnesty bill up for a vote in the House unless she could mustard up 75% yea votes. She could not, because as you said, freshmen Congressmen like Heath Shuler from NC ran on a conservative platform. Pelosi could not convinced these blue-dog freshmen to abandon their campaign promises. Good for them.

La Reina Picara and CharlieS
I was raised in Georgia in the 70's. The parallel between Carter and Obama is astonishing. The peanut farmer was elected governor of GA in 1972. He had no idea what he was doing and did nothing for GA. Like Obama, he started campaigning for the presidency the first day he entered the governor's mansion.

I am still amazed at the amount of damage Carter was able to inflict on this country in just four short years.

Dear Lilly .....
I love devisiveness..... the only thing that could possibly be better than the politicians arguing and accomplishing nothing would be if they were to by a brace of dueling pistols and blow each other away.
Government is a necessity only because anarchy doesn't work; but first and foremost, government and it's operatives are an oppressive enemy the minute people forget that freedom isn't free.
As a lover of government, could you please not take any deductions this year so they'll have more money and maybe I can get another tax break?

Bush didn't...

Have a professional photographer take perfect photos of himself running shirtless down a beach... Only to say later... I don't want to be a sex (woman voter) symbol.

Half naked B.O. will not win swing-voters... but he will surely win with swingers.

Jimmy Carter ....
While intensely disliking J Carter to the point of loathing ... what corporations does he operate? Bill Gate does more positive things in a few seconds of his day that that clown will do in a lifetime.
If a president has this kind of power, isn't that an 'imperial presidency' that we are warned against? Isn't the fast tracking stuff an indication that we are essentially anti-constitutionalist as we are impatient with the constitution as written.
In the end it is us who are the problem. The difference is who the Peanut Gallery is happy with at any given moment.
Jimmy, Bill, Hillary, Jorge, or O'Bama.... not one of them would make a good pimple on the buttocks of one of our troops or uniformed crime fighters. Get over you star worship already.
Term Limits and no special spiffs for the elected.

It's all..
...Rosalynn's fault.

Jimmy C
I just posted a video link for you: in you honor.

What it really says
is how stupid some people really are. the man is all fluff. Or as my daughter says all meringue and no pie.

Weak field
Conservatives have a rare opportunity which they have not seen since Jimmy Carter. When Carter ran in 1980, the local dog catcher would have beaten him. The nation could not imagine four more years of Jimmy boy.

It is not Jimmy Carter in 2008, but the top Democrat candidates are equally inept in the minds of the average American. Obama, Hillary and the Breck Girl. Even the most radical on the left cannot imagine one of these three winning the general election.

In the upcoming Republican primary, conservatives can vote for a true conservative. They do not have to vote for a mushy moderate, thinking that is the only way to win the general election. They no longer have to pick the lesser of two evils.

We do not have to settle for Giuliani, Romney or McCain. Pick a real conservative.

Robert and Carlos
I don't think either one of you know what the 'brink' of disaster really is and melodrama on your part is not a substitute for intelligence.

lilly/robert
Ignore them.

I don't know why Lilly posts on TH. She is here to give us lectures and to try to get us to accept her liberal/suicide for America point of view. IT is a waste of time to respond to her.

Hey Salena
I think there a re a bunch of netroots hiding in your hair!

Robert
Which Robert are you today? Today, you seem to be the far left 'Hillary' and 'Gore' Robert. A couple of days ago, you were the moderate 'McCain' Robert. Before that, you were the conservative 'Hunter' Robert.

You remind me of my university academia brother. Like most college professors, he is way to the left. He corrects me everytime I use the word 'liberal'. He would say "I am not liberal. I am a moderate." He prides himself on being opened to both sides of the issue, but his actions prove otherwise.

You regularly go into specifics when talking about the 'nutty right'. Yeah, you occasionally used the phrase 'lunatic left', but never get into any details. It is a nice tactic to position yourself as the objective, sensible moderate. You are not fooling anyone. You are the 'lunatic' left.

Obama feeding frenzy
Like a farmer heading out to the herd during feeding time, the liberal sheep sense a handout is coming their way and rush to get their share. Here is a guy who has served two years in the Senate and has accomplished nothing. His supporters know very little about him, except that he is half black and says the right things. Can he deliver for them? This early in the game, they have no idea. But that’s enough for them to pump $56 million into his war chess.

In the meantime, Republicans are still evaluating their list of candidates. It is too early to settle on a candidate. Unlike the far left front runners on the Democrat side, the Republican field is a mixture of conservatives and moderates. There is still a chance Thompson or Gingrich may run. The electorate is waiting for a candidate to separate himself from the field, at which time the money will pour in.

It is not the first time liberals spend money without a reasonable promise of a positive return. They do that with our tax dollars everyday.

reply to : Hound Dog
Ain't nothin' but a Hound Dog --> 2 cogent posts in a row there, bubba!

You nailed liberals and their vacuous, cognitively challenged lackey/shill here on TH, Roberto (a/k/a Walter Mitty)! Have you ever seen Roberto and Buzz Lightyear simultaneously?!

I gotta' agree about Obama being an empty suit... the left would be hooting if we seriously offered up somebody with his nothing track record. They managed to nominate windsurfer public traitor Ichabod last time-- another empty suit who had done NOTHING-- NO THING-- for almost 20 years in the Senate. When he waffled on one of his rare votes, they said he was "nuanced" about Iraq. Great Caesar's ghost!

soothsayer
oh that is original, I never think it a fair fight er discussion when you attack someone for what they look like--actually D.B. Root is thought to be hiding in hair if you want to know the truth...
:)


Correction to Earlier Post
Sorry, I gave the wrong information. Barak Obama did not attend law school at the University of Chicago---he got his law degree at Harvard, JD 1992, and that's where he was President of the Law Review. It was the University of Chicago where he later taught Constitutional Law. His prep school was the Punahou Acadamy in Honolulu, and his undergraduate degree was Columbia University in New York City. His years in the Illinois State Senate were 1997-2004, then he went to the US Senate in 2005. Sorry.

Daytime TV stardom next?
Should Obama fail in his bid for él Presidenté, he will make a fine Director of Platitudes & Sweet Nothings. I mean, seriously, the guy has a record of accomplishment that is statistically indistinguishable from zero. In one sense, his lack of accomplishment seems attractive because it means he has no rap sheet (so far), and by comparison that makes Hillary look like something on an FBI “Most Wanted” Poster.

At the end of the day, Obama will either lose the Democrat nomination to someone that appears “serious”, or he will lose in the general election to a Republican. In either eventuality, he can then become a regular guest on shows like Oprah or The View -- where he belongs anyway.

Obama, and the sheeple.....
Not a rock group folks, but more of a cult. These people HATE America so much that they will do or say anything jst so they can get elected, and enforce George Soros' calaphates.

If Obama, as lilly has "claimed" that Obama was a "Constitutional scholar", then he would have known better than to defund our military, impose infringements on Second Amendment rights, allow the killing of innocent unborn babies, and entitling illegals to seek governmental welfare.

He knows NOTHING about the Constitution. He has usurped many of the Founding Father's carefully worded protections. But since he comes from a hate cult, what more do you expect of this America hater.

He is totally worthless as a politician, let alone as a human being. His asinine dictates, and empty promises are going to destroy America if God forbid, is elected "president".

He is a socialist. Many if not all of his supporters are socialists. If many of you who are into conspiracy theories, look to see if he is a CFR/Bilderberger/Trilateralist. And I bet he is connected to those groups. But I wonder since he has been a member of the racist church in Chicago and followed their teachings, is he a supporter of Sharia law proposed by the terrorists since he has voted against our men and women in the military.

Time to investigate this fraud of a politician, and see who butters his bread. And I bet they want women to wear burkas, and have beheaddings of all infedels.

Without appologies......

Give Obama a fair hearing
Fair Americans will give Obama a fair hearing. I would like to vote for a Republican, but none of the top contenders impress me so far. Giuliani is a rotten role model for the nation - thrice married and his own children don't speak to him. McCain seems unstable. Romney is a huge if smooth flipflopper.

I've read Obama's two books and am deeply impressed. A very senitive man with a big heart and a brilliant mind. Just maybe he could blossom into a superb American leader.

Two special advantages.

(1) The USA has been plagued with racial tension for centuries. Obama may be in the position to help heal this wound. He is not a race hustler like Jackson and Sharpton. He is half-white, half-black. He doesn't use incendiary language. His election could send the message that America is done with its racial divide and wants to bridge the chasm that divides us by race.

(2) He could be a powerful weapon in our efforts to combat Islam extremists. While a Christian, Obama's paternal side was Muslim. He carries 'Muslim' names - Barack and Hussein. To elect him president would certainly indicate to the world that we are not waging a war against Islam, despite the rabid hate speech of some of our ignorant, ill-informed and/or bigoted clergy, columnists and others. This could go a long way in convincing the vast majority of Muslims that the jihadists are not defending legitimate Islam but that they are ruthless killers who are betraying their faith rather than defending it.

I know that many posters are so biased that they won't even give such thoughts a moment's consideration. Such people can be as prejudicial and pigheaded as the Muslim crazies. As an avid US patriot, I'm interested in peace, harmony and victory and not in demonizing anybody.

Salena
I wasn't fighting you -- I was warning you. :)

Roy
I agree with you. A man of color, one who is obviously intelligent and diplomatic, would go a long way toward mending the fences GWB has ripped down.

Jim Dawg
Do you know how to work Google? There's lots of information there. So you won't have to make up your own.

Roy
I read his books too. Pie in the sky idealism that is far from reality. What he wants, and what he can accomplish are two different things. Don't talk about fair objective Americans. Americans like you and lilly have neither been fair or objective when it comes to Bush. In fact, I'd venture that you don't even know what it is.

Lilly, prove it.
Name specific website, not a blog or opinion site. Just one.

And you apparently suffer from BDS, or Bush Derangement Syndrome. You seriously need professional help.

As I have said before, Obama is a phoney. And as far as not being as racist as Sharpton, and Jackson, just wait and see. He isn't going to show his true colors yet until he presumely gets "elected president".

God forbid.....

Without appologies.........

Jim, Big Dawg
It's not clear what you want me to prove---what information you are asking for---by referring you to a website If you will make a specific statement I will try to oblige. Meanwhile, if you simply go to Obama's online bio, or to Wikipedia, or just google his name, you will see that much information people have posted is not true. Somebody posting to this thread said Obama never went to high school or college: not true. That he has never held a job: not true. That he was educated in Muslim schools to train him as a terrorist: not true.

And the fact that he has the same name, Hussein, as Saddam Hussein, is a "so-what" kind of thing because Hussein is a common name on the other side of the earth---wasn't Obama named for his grandfather? I do not speak Arabic but I think I read somewhere that "Hussein" is Arabic for "Joseph". The King of Jordan was named Hussein. When I googled the name just now, I learned that Hussein is one of the 20 most popular Arabic names.

To suggest that having this name gives Obama something in common with Saddam Hussein is about as silly as possible. I know a German man whose name is Adolf and he is not related to Hitler and has, as far as I know, no ambitions to rule the world.


It's OUR choice
Obama is just another big government socialist, just like our current President.

Are we really going to sit here and let the MSM ONCE AGAIN, choose our President for us? The front-runners on BOTH sides of the aisle are members of the very same elitist good 'ol boys club that is intent on destroying this country. I guess the question we now have to answer is whether the American people have the brains and guts to say NO to these people.

On the Republican side, the candidates who are not part of this clic are Tancredo, Hunter and Paul.

Choose wisely or you have no one to blame but yourselves.

lilly, lilly, lilly
RE: "Yes, I do have one more question, and it's are you still having trouble getting your shoes on the correct feet? No, two questions, and here's the second: how did you get away from your keeper?"


Posted like a true lefty: when defeated in an argument (which you were), you resort to the ole lefty standby, name-calling. Well, at least that has a long pedigree, dating clear back to the polemics written by Mr. Marx and Mr. Engels in response to their crtics. In the meantime, lilly, as you ponder this pedigree, you may want to ponder an old saying from the oil industry, to wit, empty barrels make the most noise. Have a great day!

Obama talks pretty
but always votes liberal!!!!

Obama's Money
I enjoyed Ms. Zito's article, she was direct and to the point. What I don't get is the racism that surfaced regarding the article. There was nothing logical said about it, only smearing of a candidate, who happens to be Black. It's about time Black people were included in the workings of this country. No one questioned where the blue blood money came from. And what is in a name here? Black people's names were changed when they were brought here, Native American's changed their names to assimilate. Now all others are considered illegal, if they are not white. Check the background of your fathers and mothers and see what flag they were raised under and the continent that bore them. Everyone who is sick and tired of the bully is not a terrorist. I am speaking from my heart and intend no offense. But if your father is a devil and practices racism and devilisment, be offended. God will separate the wheat from the tare.
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