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Thursday, December 20, 2007
Ross Mackenzie :: Townhall.com Columnist
Two Marvelous Gifts From the Democrats in Santa's Workshop
by Ross Mackenzie
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Will the Dems' health care Christmas Present to America be an improvement or detriment to our health care system?


Christmas and the holidays are a time of giving and presents. So what better time to check the list of our ever-generous, oh-so-good friends the Democrats?

In Santa’s workshop this year, the Democrats in Congress have, let’s see: (1) attempted to raise entitlement spending by $179 billion; (2) tried to add $300 billion to the deficit over the next decade through 11,351 pork-barrel projects (such as the millions Hillary Clinton sought for a proposed museum to the Woodstock Nation on property owned by a billionaire Clinton donor); and (3) sought to add $98 billion in news taxes over the next 10 years.

That’s just for starters. There’s more.

Overall, and among their several brethren on the presidential campaign trail, they have elevated global warming as a more immediate and dire threat to freedom and happiness on the planet than the threat of global terror. Because they evidently can summon less hostility to islamofascism than to George Bush, they have sought to complicate and frustrate the American enterprise in Iraq.

Mustering the moxie to approve just one of a dozen appropriations bills for the fiscal year begun Oct. 1 — the defense appropriation bill — they stripped it of $96 billion for the troops in Iraq, saying the measure can wait until oh, some time next year. Proclaiming their support for the troops but insisting U.S. and allied forces could not prevail in Iraq, now, amid mounting indicators of success, they are doing their best to ensure allied defeat.

And so, public approval of Democratic congressional performance has plummeted to the lowest level in the history of polling — and to about half the level of public approval for the Republican president.

Up on the rooftop — or, rather, out on the campaign trail — the principal Democratic gift has been for the loping reindeer to position themselves to become raw venison.

John Edwards, screaming the loudest, has secured the most whacked-out position for his very own. Barack Obama is leading the field in Iowa and New Hampshire, perhaps with celebrity help. And Hillary Clinton, who couldn’t handle husband Bill, seems at a loss as to how to handle the double O’s — Obama and Oprah.

Even with Bill’s star power, Hillary’s gift (with the Iowa caucuses just two weeks away) may be this: Having peaked too soon, her character and her heavy negatives having caught up with her, she may be in decline. What a gift in this holiday season to her country and the world.

Her campaign performance has been abysmal: a committed leftist trying to stake out the middle ground, but her insincerity and calculation fully on display — as well as her true ideological colors, in e.g. initially favoring driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants.

Among Hillary Clinton’s principal problems:

(A) The difficulty of touting herself as a change agent while at the same time claiming consort “experience” during Bill’s presidential years. The consequence is to present at once as a representative of the status quo (the past, the ’90s, for heaven’s sake) and as someone with experience to lead the nation matching the backyard-tossing experience of Brett Favre’s wife to lead the Packers.

(B) Mounting public worry about the prospect of a dual Clinton presidency. Maybe with Bill campaigning for Hillary — making the case for her, warming up audiences, disparaging the Democratic male contenders for piling on a lady — the public is beginning to confront the distinctly disturbing prospect of eight more years of Hillary and Bill and their same old tricks.

Combine all that with her shameless claims of centrism, and can there be any wonder at the wobbly wheels on her campaign wagon?

It doesn’t mean those wheels will come off. Hillary still leads nationally, she has extensive resources, and she has Bill (though an asset, he may be equally part of her problem). But she is beginning to look something less than inevitable.

Obama might prove as tough to beat — and never mind that the Clintons’ former political Yoda, Dick Morris, terms him “a Jimmy Carter, running for president on his personal moral outlook, his background and making a virtue out of his limited knowledge of how American government works.”

The Republican presidential field excels. Practically any of the leaders is a more commendable prospect than anyone in the Democratic dovecote. With Hillary, early Republican leader Rudy Giuliani may be fizzling, as well. At long last John McCain could be surging, paralleling the Petraeus “surge” in Iraq. As former Sen. Phil Gramm notes, “Republican primary voters know John McCain is the only great man running for president.”

Soon enough, we’ll know that, too.

Yet at this holiday season, the Democrats have given two marvelous gifts — not frankincense nor myrrh, but collapse in Congress and Hillary Clinton in what may be a fast fade. The two developments couldn’t have meshed at a more appropriate time.

The primaries are about to begin; we’ll know the nominees by mid-February. It’s a wonderful life: The gifts of Hillary and her fellow Democrats mean no one should rule out a Republican successor to George Bush just yet.

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Boggles the mind
What is the problem. Hillary is a shameless
centrist. Wow. That is horrible. The Democrats
have attempted to raise entitlement spending by $179 billion (the equivalent of the worth of our 3
richest people), and do tell us about the deficit.
Who would ever vote for a creep that would add to
the deficit.

Hillary - insincere and calculating. What simple
words to say. Now why don't you tell us how she
is insincere and calculating. Every Republican
loves to make out that 1) she killed Vince Foster
2) she is a commie in disguise.

For the first problem - she didn't kill Vince
Foster; that is slander.

For the second problem - she gave us the option
of universal health care way back when no one
else was visionary enough to recognize the need
for it. Today, except for those who carry guns
in their pickups, health care is the single most
important issue to voters. So we are all commies, I guess. Or let us put it in a less
incendiary way - we recognize the value of
government as an agent for good.

And no, contrary to the mantra of the Town Hallers, individuals cannot always do it better
than the government.

As for the excellent Republican contenders. Who
cares. You had your Bush for 8 years and it was
a disaster. Your day is done, for awhile.
I could live with McCain. And perhaps the last
one I would want to see in the White House is
Mitt Romney. He comes off as Mr. Nice Guy until
you listen to him. He is a Bush wanna be. Make
no mistake about it.



Liberal Democrats have...
given us so much, but right now I just can't think of anything that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

When I hear them saying that American people want change and that they are the Progressive party who can implement the changes, I get this sinking feeling in my gut. The "progression" to full blown Socialism is glaringly apparent and that truly is a change from the free Republic we once had.

I know that the government who promises to give us everything can also take everything we have. I prefer to decide for myself what is best for me and my family. For those who think health care is expensive now, just wait until it is free. There is a gaping hole in our pockets and the fruits of our labors are falling rapidly into the national treasury.

Making more and more people dependent on the benevolence of the thieves in Washington DC assures them of continuing power and personal wealth at the expense of our freedom to live our lives, enjoy our liberty and pursue our happiness.


Drunken Sailors
McCain once quipped that the Republican Congress had let down the American people by spending money like a drunken sailor.

"The Democrats in Congress have, let’s see: (1) attempted to raise entitlement spending by $179 billion; (2) tried to add $300 billion to the deficit over the next decade through 11,351 pork-barrel projects (such as the millions Hillary Clinton sought for a proposed museum to the Woodstock Nation on property owned by a billionaire Clinton donor); and (3) sought to add $98 billion in news taxes over the next 10 years."

Great. Thanks for that. But did you ever write such a scathing indictment of the Republicans between 2000-2006 and egregious spending? Nope. And that's why we are where we are today, nowhere.

Until Republicans quit giving free passes to fellow Republicans who spend like drunken sailors then Republicans will forever be the minority party.

Conservatives need to grow up. It is not enough to blast the Democrats for their liberal ways. Republicans also need to blasted for spending like Drunken sailor liberals. It is sad indeed to contemplate that McCain was a lone voice against a backdrop of Rightwing loudmouths objecting to Republican sins of spending.

Lemonade prepare to pucker up ...
because it looks increasingly as if "our way" is NOT "done for a while." Alas the truly stupid wing of the Dem party is at the helm & has steered congress right onto the rocks. While I still think the Dems have a better chance of grabbing the White House .... that chance is becoming slimmer by the moment ... & I also think you may be in for something of a suprise in both houses as well.

In fact, it''s beginning to look a LOT like Christmas!

lemonade
when the missus clinton tried to foist her secretive health care fiasco during the early years of bubba's term in office, the dims conmtrolled both house of congress. But even with controlling all three houses of govt she was unable to get her flawed plan passed. After this failure the clinton's promised to readdress the issue. They never did. So much for clinton consistency and their promise to address what they viewed as a very serious problem. After 7 years in the senate how about illuminating her brilliant legislative history. She remains a totally empty suit that is campaigning on her alledged two terms as co-president. But yet neither clinton has produced a paper trail that proves her leading role as a policy maker while bubba was president. Why not make your case proving that her alledged resume is more than merely illusionary

Lemonade: Ms. Clinton
I have never heard a feminist acknowledge that most modern women are by nature afraid and most literally depend on a paternal government to protect them from everything, from the men in their lives (i.e., Violence Against Women Act) to the right to defy reason, logic and personal responsibility (e.g., Affirmative Action, No-Fault Divorce, Abortions on Demand, etc.). The relationship between feminism (i.e., female-chauvinism) and big government and the promotion of every leftwing cause should be obvious due to the weaker sex’s natural and apparent fear of everything & perpetual need for “security” in all facets of their respective lives. This is of course reflected in how they vote. Economist John Lott, author of the book "Freedomnomics", went back to the 1980s to see what happens when women get the right to vote. His findings? In every single case, when women were granted a franchise at age 18, the cost of government immediately raised as women, particularly single women, started voting for the candidates who would create more government spending programs designed to provide women with security at the expense of the mostly male income taxpayer base. Ms. Clinton is just the latest in a long line of politicians pandering to the de facto rulers of modern American Society: single & divorced women who expect responsibility-optional, consequence-free life styles subsidized by the majority-male peon taxpayer population. These are the “women in need” to whom Ms. Clinton consistently refers & they will get her elected President.

Mr Mackenzie: bi-partisan pork
“Pork” is a bi-partisan problem and speaks to the need for a 3rd political party.

Demo Gifts
The reason liberals love to go after the boogyman is because they know the threat is not real. They can make war on these things and blow it up to look big bad and scary then have the only real solution to the issue. Then they either fix it or have to fix it all the time as part of their reason to stay in power.

Global Warming is their retirement plan where if they can get people to buy the lie, they can offer a million fixes which consolidates their power and further push socialism on us all.

What's with the lightbulb thingy?
Someone 'splain to me what the hell this is all about. I understand the new bulbs are made with mercury.

The Repugs have no room
to talk on the pork and the AGW issue. All of the top Repug candidates support AGW except Fred.

As for the CFL Hg issue the "EPA cleanup" story is an exageration. There isn't enough in there for an issue.

There is one problem with them though, most flourescent lights don't work well in high humidity situations so they will not make good exterior lights.

Ross, you were doing so well until
you stated that the RINO and second nut, behind Ron Paul, McCain is our supposed best chance. What a hoot! The RNC has been desperately trying to foist a liberal RINO on us since day one. First, they thought that Rudy was a shoe-in. Sorry, no dice. Then they switched to Mitt. Again, no dice on a liberal who conveniently changes almost all his positions at the eleventh hour just in time for the election season. Now, they are trying to boost the Huckster on us. Again, we are not buying. Now you try to reheat the failed campaign of McShame, the amnesty loving nut-job that was, unfortunatley, brain-washed in the Hanoi Hilton for almost 7 years.

With Tancredo dropping out (that is what I heard on the radio this morning) and Hunter not getting anywhere with his campaign, perhaps we can unite behind Fred and elect the best hope for the GOP and the USA.

And Democrats are pissed too...
Basically the democrats have caved on war funding in order to get additional Social Programs they so desperately crave.

Watch Bush line item veto the additional funding and make fools of them all.

Someone needs to make a giant cartoon of an Elephant whipping a Donkey and put it out as a full page advertisement to show the Democrats what they have become. Useless cowardly whipping boys.

I keep looking
I keep looking for an objective argument by the "loyal opposition." At first, I thought Lemonade would do it for us. He/She gets right to a good challenge by asking a writer to justify remarks about Hillary being "insincere and calculating." Good start. But this is immediately followed by an absolute statement that "she didn't kill Vince Foster; that is slander." How about some proof, which would be quite interesting since negative statements are extremely hard to prove.

Then there seems to be an assertion that we should embrace Hillary's visionary health care plan because
health care is the single most important issue to voters (except for voters who carry guns in their pickups). Lemonade, an interest in health care does not imply a necessary acceptance of Hillary's plan. Many fine people who don't even own a pickup truck found it objectionable for many reasons which were stated at the time. And acceptable health care does not necessarily imply that it must be "universal health care" translated as "government run health care."

Most of us do accept that government can do some things better than individuals. National defense comes to mind, as it did to the framers of the Constitution. But this in no way implies that ALL things can be done better by government than by individuals.

I'm still looking for a good argument from the "liberal" or "progressive" membership.






Surviving the 60's Generation
The only good thing about the campaign and possible election of Mrs. Clinton is that the country might finally be done with the remains of the 60's Generation. It appears the country will survive the staggering incompetence of the Bush Administration, therefore, we will most likely survive 4 (or even 8) more years of Mr. and Mrs. Clinton. Hopefully, either the defeat of Mrs. Clinton in 08 or the final end of the Clinton dynasty in 2012 or 2016 will finally put an end to the flood of 60's liberal elitist radicals who would try and mold this Republic into a "nanny state utopia". Let's hope our freedom loving people are strong enough to resist the propaganda of these graying 60's radicals and the other self centered baby boomers who form their cadre of liberal, welfare state idealists.

Just a Brief Observation, Demosthenes
See, there you go about women again! You have just once more regurgitated tid bits of the last 50 posts of your issues with women of today.

I hate Hillary, I dislike Lemonade, and I am no feminist, but I am going to call you out on your snarling aggitative obsession with women.

It's like the only thing you will pound and pound over and over into someone's skull, the same posts on the demise of women since we were allowed to vote, our irresponsibility to our lives, our high expectations without consequences of our choices, and how men are getting screwed by it all, blah blah blah.

What seriously is the matter with you?!

amygirl
The bill requires that by 2012 to 2014, all light bulbs must use 25 to 30 percent less energy than they do today. Traditional incandescent light bulbs use almost 90 percent of the energy they use to produce heat, not light. The phase-in will start with 100-watt bulbs in 2012 and end with 40-watt bulbs in 2014. By 2020, bulbs must be 70 percent more efficient. Compact fluorescent bulbs already meet that efficiency standard.

Lightbulb Info Source
Sorry, the above info was a quote.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/dec2007/2007-12-19-03.asp


Something has changed
Just a year ago, conservatives on this site were regularly referred to by liberals as "30 percenters."

They're not calling us that anymore.

Wonder why not?

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

Hate to break it to ya, Shells...
...but Demosthenes is right.

What's wrong with Demosthenes is, he's one voice declaring that the Emporer is naked, in a society full of the Emporer's fawning fashion fans. That makes him seem shrill.

But his facts are accurate.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

shells
there was an article that there are thousands of women who exist who are imminately more qualified to be president due to the things they have accomplished with the lives without the aid and assistance of a powerful husband. The fact that there are many thousands of women experienced in running companies, organizations schools colleges etc. That they have experience managing staff and working budgets in addition to making the operations the run successful begs the question why are so many looking to the missus clinton with her empty resume to be the banner carrier for women in this country. I can't believe there is that much nostalgia for the fatally flawed womanizer, bubba and his shallow enabling wife, that people can seriously think these two should be given another opportunioty to run the country. The first co-presidentcy was a colassal failure, why should anyone think a second co-presidentcy will be successful. Reality tells us a repeat performance will be another disaster

where the hell is COULTER's column
you censoring TH sonsofbeeches?

the big mick

Light bulbs (amygirl)
The light bulb standard is a bit of Congressional posturing to prove to their constituencies that they actually care about the environment, while actually doing nothing useful.

"No Tolerance" gave you the Party Line on light bulbs; yes, they produce a lot of heat. But domestic lighting constitutes a MINUSCULE percentage of our electrical power generation, and improving light bulb efficiency 40% will reduce total power generating needs so little that they really should not have bothered.

Of all uses of electricity nationwide, more than 70% is used by industry for production. Residential use accounts for a little over 10% of total electrical use. Of that, less than 10% is for lighting; most is for appliances, like your refrigerator and your microwave oven. So by increasing light bulb efficiency, Congress is saving 40% of 10% of 10% of our nation's total electricy usage, or .4% overall.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/recs/recs2001/enduse2001/enduse 2001.html

Don't you feel safer now?

But don't worry. Congress has also made a hash of everything else they decided to fix, and some of those will have much wider consequences than merely filling your house with noxious mercury vapors (which is what happens when you break one of those fluorescent bulbs.)

(Unrelated to this thread, please visit my political blog site, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

bigMick, I was wondering the same thing
You can get her column via DrudgeReport. It is good, but you can't respond there like you can here.

As to the Nazi bill to control more and more of our lives, it is past time to refuse to support any more of these nanny state nazis. They come from both parties and simply use different language to convince us that they are here to help if only we allow them to control what we think, eat, wear, and do.

Shells
I think Demosthenes' problem is that, as we used to say before sex became compulsory, he can't get any satisfaction. Women have to be convinced these days that what the men are selling is worth the price they ask us to pay, and too many women are saying "Sorry, don't need it, don't want it, can't afford it" which puts his manly little nose out of joint. (Think Johnny Bravo). I do not need a paternalistic nanny state any more than I need a paternalistic husband; I am capable of caring for myself and in fact I insist on doing so. Nyah.

As for Mrs. Clinton, she reminds me way too much of all the teachers I had in grade school who really at heart did not like kids and would have been in some other line of work except that in those days they couldn't get it. How many of us who saw "Men in Black" and heard that one of their hated teachers was a space alien had the same thought about some teacher in our past? That's the feeling Mrs. Clinton inspires in me.

PlumBob
I was not going to dispute his facts, I don't feel the need to defend myself. But what I was merely stating, which you are obviously unaware about because this is the 1st time I've seen your handle, that:

He has done the same post over and over and over and over and over and over and over times 100 for the past year. I'm not talking about fresh new ideas here. I'm talking about copying and pasting the same info over and over and over and over and over and over again in any article or comment that has a minute trace of something to do with women.

I am commenting on his OCD. Not him being a genius of his male species.

Demosth...Women are afraid?
I don't disagree with the findings of the article in how women vote but I totally disagree with the reasons why. I would think that a higher level of compassion(in general) and a higher tendency to think in group terms would be the reason why.


AudiR10!!!
OMG, now you've done it! Get ready for him to come back and give you 6 posts on the evils of women! I've already read them before though...I stopped after the 7th time.

See, you understand what I am saying. There is seriously something going on with him, and I almost feel empathetic because it's obvious to me somehow he's been scarred for life. The subject on the evils of women is his only chew toy. I am curious as to why---and I think you nailed it...erm...yes, LOL.

I am no democrat as you know, but I would've had so much respect for Hillary if she were to divorce Bill after the Monica incident ( even though she should've divorced him much sooner.)

If she divorced him and said, "Screw you, I'm doing my own thing!" and then managed to be a senator and run for president without Bill on her coat tails---I really would applaud her for trying. I sure would never vote for her in a million years, but I would respect her an inch more.


One thing
is sure, we are worse off with women voting than we otherwise would be.
Women accept what the tax payer foots the bill for, not realizing it digs a deeper hole for all tax payers.
The thing to remember is, the government doesn't give you anything. YOUR NEIGHBORS are paying for the entitlements you get. And that puts them in the "poor" house.

And then there was Pandm...
So, not only have things gotten worse since women started voting, but us women don't care about taxes because rely on all-other-taxpayers to foot the bill for us....

There is always a fresh lummox everyday.

I'm curious, do you ever get a second date? A first?



shells
I am constantly amazed by those who feel threatened by women of intelligence and ability. In our house with have two persons with phd's. My wives is in hospital administration. Mine is in the practical field of bar stool philosophy. Together we form a rather intimidating team.

Wildwest
LOL, barstool philosophy!

I am pretty amazed to hear a few men say this about women. I guess since Hillary is running, I'll be hearing a lot more of it.

I'm just ashamed it's been a small handful conservative men who feel threatened by women's progress. We all dislike Hillary, but her having a hoo-hoo makes no difference. We should feel threatened by her being in office, even if she did have a schmeckle instead.

A one-trick pony (shells)
Actually, Ma'am, I believe we've met before. I used to post here as inkling_revival.

Demosthenes is one of our TH one-trick ponies. He does post on other subjects, but he's clearly on fire regarding gender differences. I tolerate it, because he articulates things I could not state as vehemently, nor as accurately. There are so many topics on which our culture is upside-down that we actually do need the specialists who do only one topic particularly well.

Ironically, AudiR10, one of my favorite writers here, is just a vehement on gender issues, but on the other side. Apparently a number of very bad men have taken very large dumps on her over the years (please pardon the distasteful metaphor) and it shows in her attitude whenever she's discussing gender relations. It's ok, she's got a marvelously fresh view of other cultural issues, particularly regarding child-rearing and its consequences both good and bad, so I tolerate that, too.

Intelligent women
I'm truly mystified about the number of women who claim men can't stand intelligent or competent women. Personally, what I can't stand is nasty, sarcastic women, and that's usually what I'm dealing with when somebody accuses me of not being able to stand capable women.

My mother was an extraordinarily capable woman. She also had an IQ near 150, a Master's degree +20 credits in education, she produced plays, she organized for the union, she wrote poetry, she cooked like nobody's business. But she was never sarcastic or vicious, and I was never intimidated by her.

Now, when we're talking about Ms. Clinton, we've got a completely different issue. First of all, I've never seen any indication that she's unusually intelligent OR unusually capable. However, it's quite clear, from dozens of sources, that she's unusually vicious. She treats the help and the secret service like garbage, she believes she's entitled to godhood, she slings dirt like nobody else, and every campaign she's ever touched has been shot through with outright criminality. The fact that none of it ever manages to get tied directly to her is incidental -- how many other politicians have you heard of who have a criminal campaign financing scheme uncovered in EVERY BLOODY ONE of their campaigns, and still claim they're innocent?

So, no, I'm not buying the "men are intimidated by smart women" bulls**t. Clinton isn't a smart woman, she's a felon, and we OUGHT to be disgusted by felons.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog site, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

plumbob
I think we can add to the description of the missus clinton, it must be added a spoiled pampered brat who thinks that no matter what she wants she must be indulged. That the left continues to champion this empty resumed, personality challenged, enabler of a sexual predator as a strong leader who will solve all of america's problems. I am still waiting for the libs/leftists/socialists to defend her nonsense of the earners sacrificing for the common good. Besides sounding like communism it is the old badger game. Punish the winners in life to reward the losers. Oh course that is an apt description of many of the victim groups the dims keep chained to the plantation of entitlements. Hopefully the media will keep pushing a microphone in front of the missus clinton. The more she opens her mouth the more the people get a better picture of who she really isn't

PlumbBob (Inkling!)
What happened to Inkling?! Are you trying a different handle? Now Iknow I am speaking to someone I've always respected. Phew.

What you say about Hillary is absolutely correct. It seems to me liberals are making her gender the only positive for voting her in. For me, I careless if she carried both organs because she's more evil than woman. However,to hear conservative gripe about women getting the right to vote is pretty depressing. Our right to vote did not bring on Hillary today.

As far as Demos, he has deeper issues. There may be some merit into what he may say, some....But I was truly getting tired of his mantras.

I don't believe men feel threatened by intelligent women. I do know the chivalrous ones do feel uncomfortable by seeing a significant other take control over certain things. I can see where some conflict may lie there.

But don't be harsh on Audi, she knows exactly what she's saying and isn't afraid to call it like it is--just like how you sum up Demos. Except Audi has the wonderful ability to speak out on a large variety of subjects which are always enjoyable and dead on. This is something Demos can't do.

Re: inkling (shells)
I adopted inkling as a general nick years ago, when I was in my "I wish I'd been at Oxford when the Inklings were meeting" phase. I guess that phase ended. Now I'm trying to advertise a political blog site which I've named "Plumb Bob," so I changed my nick here in order to aid the advertising.

Please come over and visit. http://www.plumbbobblog.com.

pandm
"One thing
is sure, we are worse off with women voting than we otherwise would be."

Did you really, really say this? Priceless thank you....

"The thing to remember is, the government doesn't give you anything. YOUR NEIGHBORS are paying for the entitlements you get. And that puts them in the "poor" house. "

Entitlements? Look up the meaning please? What part of paying a debt do you deadbeats not understand? Here is the real bottomline: conservatives do not want to pay for the next generation like the last generation paid for them -- this is the core principal of fundamentalist conservatism.

“Pork"
“Pork” is a bi-partisan problem and speaks to the need for a 3rd political party!
I agree it's in both party's but at this time a third party doesn’t have a chance. Our only alternative is voting RINO's out, but this is even harder when they bring home the pork to buy votes in locally. Most people don't follow politics near close enough and have no clue to what there taxes are going and really don’t care, they only see there take home pay and if they pay there bills and some on there credit card they think there doing OK.
Being self employed for a couple of decades most people would switch today if they new what they were really spending but the Lib’s would never allow that.

TAXMAN
WHINE? Do you know Reagan built two new aircraft carriers, The Abraham Lincoln and The George Washington, first ships ever named before they were built. Why? Reagan thought no congressman would ever vote against the Abraham Lincoln and The George Washington. I loved it. Know what? Parts for that carrier came from 48 states. Was that economical? No. But the citizens were paying for it and the citizens had the right to help build it. It was only "fair". Stupid? Listening to him I thought not. Pork? You bet. I guess you think otherwise...

truth
Just google "clintonchronicles" and watch the video. Very interesting and I might add--I first heard about all this while visiting in Arkansas in 1992--nice friendly people horrified by what these people did to their state. They were united in the opinion that the Clinton's did nothing except in the Little Rock area, in order to build that "legacy". One man pretty well summed it up with "I'm glad he's president! It got him the hell out of Arkansas".

This Subject Is The Sleeper That We
should all be shouting about. Where is the candidate that is going to wage war on government pork (earmarks). This may be one of the single most important issues in our time.

Tax money paid out to special interest groups for government projects I suspect is creating more graft and corruption than a million crime families could. I bet over half of the politicians who are handing out these billions of dollars in contracts are getting "kickbacks" in some form or fashion. Not to mention we can't afford it. Has anyone heard of federal deficit spending to the tune of three TRILLION dollars? Makes me want to go out and vote for Ron Paul, it's to bad his elevator doesn't quite make it to the top floor or I would.

Rashun
""she didn't kill Vince Foster; that is slander." How about some proof, which would be quite interesting since negative statements are extremely hard to prove."

Negative statements are hard to prove. However,
Ken Starr tried his darndest to prove that and a
whole lot more, used $78 million of taxpayers
money to find some dirt, and what he found was
that a man in power had his pants down from time to time. I call it slander because people on Town Hall state categorically that she did kill him. Whether they believe it nor not I do not know but I think probably they do not. What they want to do is ruin her so that she will not become president.

The definition of slander is to speak untruths
about a person that harms or ruins their reputation. I used the wrong word. I should have said libel, which is even worse. Slander
is "spoken," libel is slander which covers a
much broader audience and therefore a worse
crime.

I think that if something like this went to court, which it could but it won't, the person
who make the statement would have to prove that
it was true, not the other way around.

As for Hillary's health care plan, it is not the
same as it was back then and it is not a government run health care plan.



lemonade
you think with your heart, not your mind. it shows and its a dangerous way to view the world. perhaps not dangerous for "you", but most assuredly for those who are called upon to protect you from evil. are you comfortable going to bed each night knowing that 18 year old men "must" sign up for selective service or lose their ability to get federal funding/grants and programs..."stuff" by the way, that seems to be a right for 18 year old women? just askin' as i know you will have a clever (cleaver?) answer that will impress everyone.

donnieboy
Huh?????

"you think with your heart, not your mind"

I think with both, thank you. One without the other is a dangerous thing. But I cannot begin
to figure out where you got that assumption
from my post. Is it because I am obviously a
liberal, so therefore I OBVIOUSLY think only with
my heart and never with my brain. I hear that
a lot around here.

As for the rest of the paragraph, I cannot for the life of me figure out why that was included, unless you are the offspring of Demosthenese and
feel the need to take a dig at women whenever
the opportunity arises, no matter what.

I don't particularly like to start conversations
on this website, but your post has me completely
baffled. Where in heaven's name are you coming
from? What did I ever say - or do - to make you
bring up the selective service and federal funding?

I have a nephew in Iraq. He will be home soon, we all hope. Why is he there, when he should be
in Afghanistan or wherever bin Laden is? That is the big question. Not whether boys need to register with the government at age 18.

My mother (an extremely conservative lady) said:
males fight wars, females have babies. Maybe that is why 18 year girls don't have to register
with the government. I don't know, nor do I
really care. My sons registered at 18, one became a marine. My girls did not. They have
had babies.




lemonade
actually the definition of slander is to KNOWINGLY speak untruths about someone --etc.

Phil
I have not a shadow of a doubt that you could
find a judge and/or jury that would agree that
the people who make this statement do not
know that they are wrong. I mean, after all,
O.J. still walking free. Finding a jury without
a bias is not always easy.

But I also have not a shadow of a doubt that these
people say it IN ORDER TO ruin her reputation.
They do not say, I believe that she..., I think she
is capable of ..., she might have... They state
categorically - she did it.

This is evil and it is libelous.

PlumbBob
Now, when we're talking about Ms. Clinton, we've got a completely different issue.

***

I don't want to copy down your entire post. You
know what you said.

The vast majority of those things that have been
said about her, have been said by "the other side."
including the secret service guys. When I want to
hear the truth about Hillary, I don't go to Town
Hall. I go to those without an axe to grind or
a political bias to push. They are not easy to
find but they are out there. Berstein's book is
one.

Then I have also read two of Hillary's book and
have the 3rd on my agenda. I am trying to get
a feel for the woman from her own words.

Hillary is an easy target. She is a woman, she
has power, she stayed with a philandering
husband, she is the woman behind the man who
so much time and effort and resources had been
spent on trying literally to bring him down.
And let's not forget what genius Rush had to say:
who wants to watch a woman get old? He seems
to manage to forgo that problem with his wives.

Have you ever noticed that the group of people
who normally would be anti-divorce "say" they
are furious because she didn't divorce him.
People's reactions to Hillary are just beyond
explaining.

You gave a fairly reasoned post (or maybe I think
so just because it wasn't riddled with cuss words
and complete stupidity) but even you have written
"she believes she's entitled to godhood, she slings dirt like nobody else, and every campaign she's ever touched has been shot through with outright criminality. The fact that none of it ever manages to get tied directly to her is incidental"

Where are you getting this, unless you are
listening to the slingers of mud.



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