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Tuesday, January 27, 2009
Roger Schlesinger :: Townhall.com Columnist
Is There More About Mortgage Rates Than Meets the Eye?
by Roger Schlesinger
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In olden days, about a year or so ago, mortgage rates were a reflection of the economy. They were set by lenders who reacted to the market for mortgage backed securities which of course was influenced by the movement and direction of the Treasury bills, notes and bonds. The Treasury Securities were trading at a particular range guided in some part by the actions of the Federal Reserve. All of these were simple textbook responses.

Not so anymore!

Today, some of us now feel the actions of the mortgage market have been dictated in part by the Federal Government's social engineering, by individual state laws, public pressure and the media. The mortgage backed securities market appears to have decoupled from the Treasury markets influence and each lender seems to be acting on their own. This makes it very difficult for individuals, sophisticated or unsophisticated, to know where to look for the information that can pertain to their individual situation. The mortgage industry, feeling the affects of the black eye it received from its past actions is struggling to redefine itself. This struggle can touch all homeowners. I will attempt to explain each point I raised in order to give you the broadest appreciation of the new complexity in the mortgage industry.

The Federal Government now controls Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the largest purchasers of mortgages in the country. They now have the power to control directly who will get a mortgage or who will not. Although the banks have frozen up and haven't begun to thaw, they do offer conforming loans, those that conform to the rules of the above mentioned mortgage giants and thus can be sold to them. Most banks still refrain from offering portfolio loans in the mortgage arena which are the loans that they would hold in their own portfolios. They also do not have the ability to form mortgage pools to put out the jumbo loans, absent for the most part from the mortgage market, because there isn't a market for these pools on Wall Street.

When we first had our taste of what was in our future, the stimulus loans which expired on New Years eve 2008, we found that Fannie and Freddi had offered relief by counties in some states instead of the entire state. This also held true for FHA loans which are under HUD. It helped some people who were in the "right" counties in those chosen states and left many others in the "wrong" place scratching their heads. Obviously housing would be more robust in the areas where you could get a larger mortgage than the area where you couldn't. Would this be social engineering or redlining?

The new year, 2009, did not rectify this, but instead enlarged it for the first time ever since Fannie and Freddie began setting the conforming loan limits each year. They chose approx. 20 states to become "high cost" states to mirror the high cost other states, Alaska and Hawaii. Everyone was to move their limit to $625,500 from $417,000 except Hawaii who moved to as high as $726,000 for a single family residence. But the rules were not for each state, but for selected counties within a state and not all to $625,500. Confusing? In California you can have different limits in the same "atmosphere" within given cities. Beverly Hills has a limit of $625,500, but not Santa Barbara or La Jolla. Santa Barbara is in the low $600,000 range and La Jolla is $550,000+. Scotsdale, Arizona is $417,000 and hundreds of other high real estate valued cities are also limited to $417,000. Who decided to do this by counties and why?

Every county has huge diversions in the property values within their jurisdictions but probably none so wide as in California. Los Angeles county has the high values you would find in Beverly Hills, Bel Aire, Malibu, Palos Verdes etc. and the lows you would find in parts of the San Fernando Valley, East Los Angeles, around the harbor and several other places. Trying to weave ones way through this jigsaw puzzle is trying at best. What also adds to the problem is the lack of a vibrant jumbo market, meaning people with $417,001 mortgages haven't a viable alternative for home financing. And how fair is this to other states such as Minnesota and New Mexico who remain at $417,000 for the entire state?

The next big problem is the lack of stated income loans that were part of the mortgage fabric for decades. What do you do for those who acted based on a rule, never had a problem or a late payment and now the rule is changed and they cannot participate?

One actual example should point out the problem. An independent businessman who became a financial broker, working from his house, found it impossible to refinance and lower his payment. His house appraised for $975,000, down from his last appraisal of over $1 million. He has a 780 credit score and over $500,000 in liquid assets. His loan was $399,000 and he simply wanted to lower his payment. Because he didn't show enough in taxable income he was declined. Was this really a risky loan? Are you convinced he couldn't make his payments?

Before you make up your mind lets look at what actually happened. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have an automated underwriting system (AUS) that would have approved him in a second up until they made a major change late last year. Evaluating his high credit score and low loan to value, plus large reserves, their only requirement would have been a CPA letter saying the borrower was self employed for over two years. When that changed thousands of self employed people were in trouble. It has been replaced with one year tax return that will allow up to the low 60% debt to income ratio. If you earn $15,000 gross a month you can have a monthly debt load of over $9000 a month and be accepted for a loan.

Better idea?

Are these new ways of operating a product of the hysteria whipped up by the media who prints first and discovers afterward? Should politicians who have left us in the largest financial mess we have seen in many decades dictate the rules that they don't understand? I believe the turnaround in real estate is being hampered by those who are here to help and won't be fullly underway until they are out of the way. What do you think?

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What school you went?
I assume TOWNHALL has no editor,and requires nothing more than a computer as a credential for authoring a column.

I assure you, its true.
Now homebuyers have to go to the USDA or HUD to get the same type of loan that banks were villified over.

Yes. Once again, its ok if the gov't does it, but its evil if the private sector does it. Same story over and over and over again.

Banks do it = redlining & deciet. Gov does it = benevolence & responsible practices.

These are people that are going to fix everything?


Federalism
This is what happens when you have politicians from rural Alabama deciding things about mortgages in Beverly Hills. The federal government has become too big to succeed, and we need to return to our federalist roots.

KARL B
"The Federal Government TOO BIG TO SUCCEED!"

ROFL

KEEL??
Therefore, what? Just because you don't like it, does not negate the facts.

Rocket Science?
Why not let Fannie and Freddie and AIG and all the Wall Street white shirts fail? Not later...but Monday morning.

Then go back to that revolutionary idea where local banks made AND KEPT mortgage loans to people they knew were likely to repay the loans. Give them every penny that the Wall Street financial firms are fighting over.

The root of this tragedy was when the clever Wall Street white shirts were allowed to play games with home mortgages. From there it declined into a corrupt scam and politicians like Joe Leiberman (and both Dem and GOP) protected and actually encouraged the corrupt scam.

And now many of the very people who caused it appear to be ready to gain and profit from it. Who said that crime does not pay?

Reasonableness
Rocket Science is dead on. The bank I've used for 30 years and for 4 house loans is doing great, pays great dividends to stockholders even now and refuses to participate in any TARP program. They have always required a downpayment, documentation and proof of employment, and a reasonable income before issuing their loans.

What's so dang hard about that?

$417,000? Really?
I can honestly say that I couldn't care one bit less for some sap who can't refinance a $400,000 mortgage, especially if he has a $15,000 monthly income and $500,000 in the bank. Pay the damn thing off!

Then pile up money - put your house payment in savings and investment for the next 10 years. What will be the result? Millionaire!

What idiot thinks that spending $3000 per month in the first year of a 30 year mortgage ($36,000 annually) for a tax break of $12,000 is a good deal? The mortgage interest deduction is perhaps the greatest tax fraud ever perpetrated on the American people by their own government.

Don't listen to this clown. Eliminate your risk and pay off your mortgage!

Shame on Townhall for even publishing this snake oil salesman.

I left B of A for a smaller bank
Just in time. My new bank doesn't need TARP money and aren't having any trouble loaning to businesses or individuals with good credit; funny thing they don't advertise loans, bank accounts and mortgages to illegal aliens either, the way B of A was doing when I left them. Maybe the leaders of my bank are smarter? I hope I never have to buy another house and secure a loan. I would have to renounce my citizenship, leave the country and then sneak back in illegaly to get a loan from Fannie Mae.

I THINK
the same as many of you who have posted here that we should return to the days when banks and lenders were the most conservative institutions and demand the government get out of our business. Common sense has been lost in Washington
In the 1970's, there were very few types of loans to choose from and you always needed good credit, proof of income and assets to qualify for a loan. Only VA allowed a 100% loan. People bought and sold homes everyday then, even when interest rates were high under Carter's administration, very few foreclosures because homes could be acquired through assumptions until 1986. The mortgage companies lobbyied Washington to terminated the ability of the public to assume an existing loan because they did not make money on these transactions. But often a home that could be sold on an assumption agreement prevented a homebuyer from being foreclosed on
when a new buyer could take over the existing home loan.

In the 1990's I worked in the mortgage business and could not believe the crazy loans and lower quaifying guide lines being offered to the public, most of whom do not understand the mortgage processes. Most people who had been in the mortgage business for a while and worked through the Savings and Loan Chaos of the 1980's knew these new mortgage programs were a train wreck in the making.
The fat cats in Washington and the greed of mortgage executives are responsible for this mess and we should hold them responsible instead of bailing them out. The executive, Raines at Fannie Mae received $90 million in 6 years, why? Barney Frank, & Chris Dodd should have their pictures on the most wanted posters in the post offices and be removed from their office. The American citizens are now paying for the maleficence committed by these crooks. Everyone who has lost a job in the past 6 months should know who really caused it.
Can you tell this whole situation that has been thrust upon the American public really pisses me off?

Patriots United
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Reba
It's a lot more than just "Raines...Frank...Dodd" and other Dems that you might not like. It's foolish to think that this is either a Dem or a GOP problem.

For every Dem that you point to...someone else can point to a GOP guy. Actually, a little known or publicized fact is that one of the very worst of the politicans who promoted, encouraged, and defended the ability of the financial firms to leverage their fake loans for 10, 20, 30 (or more) times than the actual worth to get money is Joe Leiberman.

Similarly, of the fiancial firms getting our tax dollars:
Citigroup $355 BILLION
Bank of America $145 BILLION
AIG $90 BILLION
JP Morgan Chase $25 BILLION
Wells Fargo $25 BILLION
Goldman Sachs $10 BILLION
Morgan Stanley $10 BILLION
PNC Financial Services Group $7.6 BILLION
U.S. Bancorp $6.6 BILLION
GMAC Financial Services $5 BILLION
Capital One Financial $3.6 BILLION
American Express $3.4 BILLION
and probably some I forgot:

I would guess that a huge majority of the CEO's and upper management of these firms are GOP oriented. I'm not saying this to take shots at the GOP, simply to balance when you listed only Dem guys.

Anyone with a double digit IQ can see that this is NOT party related...it's MONEY related. That's the ONLY thing that most of these scummy and corrupt Wall Street white shirts understand and act upon. And the pols from both parties.

TOM -WI
I agree totally with you. It is not just the Dem guys, but GOP as well. I only mentioned Barney and Dodd because they always come to mind first, that list could be much longer. My statement "Fat Cats in Washington" was intended to cover all of the Washington imbeciles who think they know best how to run our government, our businesses, our personal lives, and our health care.

What really makes me mad is the fact that this could have been avoided had it not been for politicians caring more about their votes and being so greedy and letting the CEO's of mortgage companies do the same. Our economy would have had an adjustment when the prices of houses got too high for some buyers, but it would never had been this kind of down turn had the politicians kept their hands and bright ideas out of it. Their egos get too big to understand common sense anymore. Politicians are a dirty word to me now.

Reba
You are correct. Our current financial crisis is being blamed on stupid or greedy homebuyers taking on my debt than they should have. And that is true to some extent. But it's ludicrous for the TV talking heads and the phony politicans act like that was both the cause and the entire problem per the financial mess.

I would love to have one of those jerks explain to us how HUNDREDS of $$$billions of assets could suddently turn worthless...or to use their new buzzword "toxic"...almost over night.

Let's suppose that the dumbest home buyer in the area wanted to pay $500K for a $400K home. And then let's suppose that the dumbest banker in the area gave him a loan. And then let's suppose that market reality set in. How far down could that home realistically go...$300K...certainly no less than $250K...even in today's market.

Yet the corrupt lying scum on Wall Street are trying to pretend that they all went "toxic" and worthless in the blink of an eye!

It's so damn absurd that they all belong behind bars. IMHO.


TOM WI
We are on the the same page on this one.

There is another element that brought this on. When the voter fraud by ACORN was brought to the public eye during the election I did some research on that organization. They were instrumental in getting congress to agree to giving more loans to minorities and were supported by The New Party, a socialist Democratic Party, which Obmam ran under as senator in Ilinois. The ACORN organization actually petitioned banks such as BOA and even went into their banks to intimidate them to make these loans. A Jesse Jackson method of a shakedown.

When I was with the mortgage company we had to submit a monthly report, called a HUMDA Report, on the distribution of our loans accordingly to ethnicity, gender, and race. This info is gathered from the bottom of each loan application of the borrowers. It assisted government agencies in determining if a fair balance of loans were going to minorities. They should have been checking their credit and ability to pay back these loans instead.

The point here is that ACORN lobbyed the government to go along with their agenda and is partly responsbile in this financial crises and now the great imbeciles in Washingrton want to give ACORN money from the Stimulus package. What a bunch of crooks, it's a pay to play all over again. Blagojevich is a piper compared to the Washington crooks.




Sorry Reba
But you just fell off the page.

It is absurd to pretend that the questionable or risky loans given to some poor people had any noticeable effect on the mortgage or financial meltdown.

The total of ALL the loans influenced by ACORN would not equal even a tiny fraction of the money that the financial firms say are now "toxic" assets.

Here's the deal Reba: The Wall Street white shirts were allowed (because of a lack of regulation) to bundle and package and leverage (that means lying to get money) millions of mortgages at ratio's of 20:1 or 30:1 or even higher as collateral to get money.

And then when the housing market had a blip and some of them were forced to actually produce the money or some of the phony "assets"--then the entire house of cards came tumbling down.

It was NOT poor people getting bad loans that caused it.

Mortgage rate
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