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Saturday, July 26, 2008
Robert Novak :: Townhall.com Columnist
Romney's Value
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WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The principal reason why former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has climbed to the top of Sen. John McCain's practical wish list for vice president is the possibility that he could bring Michigan's 17 electoral votes to the Republicans for the first time since 1988.

Private polls show Romney could make all the difference in Michigan. A McCain-Romney ticket carries the state by a moderately comfortable margin. With any other running mate, McCain loses Michigan.

George Romney, Mitt's father, was a Detroit auto executive and the popular three-term governor of Michigan. The younger Romney won the 2008 primary in Michigan over McCain, who had won there in 2000 against George W. Bush.

JINDAL SURVIVES

Reports of a decline in the popularity at home of Louisiana's first-year Gov. Bobby Jindal over his mishandling of more pay for state legislators have been greatly exaggerated. His long-shot chances for the Republican vice presidential nomination remain.

A private Louisiana survey of 800 registered voters taken July 6-8 by The Polling Company shows 60 percent favorable (with 39 percent strongly favorable) and 18 percent unfavorable for Jindal. Those numbers contradict Jindal's reported precipitous decline after the 37-year-old governor reversed himself twice on the legislative pay issue but ended up opposing it.

A footnote: A select audience of New Hampshire Republicans was startled Tuesday when McCain told them "you are really going to like" Minnesota's 47-year-old Tim Pawlenty -- what sounded like a possible tip-off of his vice presidential choice. But McCain's intimates are accustomed to hearing him praise Pawlenty.

FUNDRAISER OBAMA

Sen. Barack Obama is employing his fundraising prowess to raise money not only for his presidential campaign but also for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, seeking a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

Recipients of Obama's summer mailing include many lobbyists who are called "switch hitters" in political parlance -- contributors to lawmakers of both parties who seek to open Capitol Hill doors to them on a bipartisan basis.

A footnote: While Democrats have a good shot at picking up four more Senate seats to put their majority at 55 to 45, collecting the 60 seats needed to break filibusters without Republican help seems out of reach. "We must have a deadlock-proof Democratic majority," Obama said in his letter.

GRAMM GONE

Although former Sen. Phil Gramm's resignation as national co-chairman of McCain for President was considered to be essential by the campaign, he resigned on his own without being asked.

As this column reported a week ago, Gramm apologized to his old friend and political ally John McCain for embarrassing his candidacy, and McCain told him not to worry about it. Shortly thereafter, Gramm resigned rather than become an attack target for having called America "a nation of whiners" whose recession is "mental."

The same McCain strategists who felt Gramm had to go also consider his departure a major loss. McCain valued Gramm's economic and political advice.

ENDANGERED DEMOCRAT

Rep. Paul Kanjorski, a 71-year-old, 12-term congressman from a solidly Democratic Wilkes-Barre, Pa., district, may be the only incumbent House Democrat to lose in what shapes up as a disastrous 2008 for the Republicans.

Kanjorski is running behind Lou Barletta, the Republican Mayor of Hazleton, Pa., who has made a national reputation as a foe of illegal immigration. Kanjorski has a big money advantage and is waging a substantial television campaign, while Barletta has not yet been on television. But Barletta has 89 percent identification in the district, four to one positive. Kanjorski, who voted against the Iraqi troop surge, has been under fire for saying he "forced" President Bush to make the move.

A footnote: Barletta did not show up for Sen. McCain's rally Wednesday in Wilkes-Barre. No more than 600 of the 2,500 theater seats were filled for the event.

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I am glad that Novak
has starkly admitted that 2008 will be "disasterous" for House and Senate republicans. Really, being truthful and un-coy is like a breath of fresh air.

Knuckleheads like Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham and Hugh Hewitt (ESPECIALLY the two-faced, disingenuous and punk conservative cheerleader Hugh Hewitt) spend an inordinate amount of time glossing and lipsticking and willfully denying the fact that democrats are going to make significant gains come November (maybe not to veto-proof majorities, but still, larger gains in both houses of Congress).


If the dems lose the presidency, they can still console themselves with resounding victories in Congress.

If the republicans lose the presidency, they've got nothing left, nothing to look forword to. Just an orgy of months and months of regrets and recriminations and the endless calls for "reform" coming from columnists and posters alike here at Townhall....


Even if republicans lose it all, Hugh Hewitt will still be here to console you all, looking for obscure exit polling spin to somehow claim that republicans really were the party America preferred.... well, we'll just have to wait and see exactly how Hugh spins it....

Thanks for your honesty, Bob. You do have integrity, a quality that some of your colleagues have sacrificed or forfeited.

Romney is the worst possible choice
for McCain! He has changed his position on critical issues according to the political climate; He is seen as another example of the elite establishment candidate ready to put special interests ahead of what is good for the country and its people; His primary experience with the economy (breaking up corporations and sending jobs overseas) would inflame the Middle-class, and lastly, he (despite record spending)simply could not connect with voters. His record in MA is not a good one, and his health plan, in particular, is bankrupting the state. His Yankee ancent and arrogant demeanor will not play well in the rust belt or the south. Social conservatives will be enraged. Your argument that he might be able to put Michigan in the red category does not hold water - during the primaries, he did win the state; however, remember all the Dems who voted for him. They were clamoring on TV and radio to call in all the Dems (since the Michigan primary did not count) to cast a ballot for Romney because they felt he would be the easiest to defeat. Also, if you noticed the latest polls today, McCain is within 2 points of Obama in the state anyway. Romney is not going to help McCain win any state that he will not already win; he is only a RINO with lots of negatives.

King Lib
"...evangelical voters uniformly reject romney because of his mormon faith-this will again return to the spotlight at a time when many evangelicals are looking to Obama."

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I distinctly remember many, many TH threads before February 5th (Super Tuesday), and the degree of hateful and defamatory rhetotic that evangelicals slung Romney's way.

Thread after thread here attacked Romney personally, attacked Mormons, got right down to the nitty-gritty of "heretical" Mormon beliefs, long long posts vehemently condemning Joseph Smith, such unchristian and uncharitable behaviour coming from the "tolerant" evangelicals.

I wonder if James Dobson will support McCain with Romney on the ticket.

what?
evangelical voters would actualy vote for a muslim, before a mormon,why? do they really want to be under islam? do they really want our country to be destroyed? they don't care anymore? look at EUROPE, now they are suck withy it, don't know how to get rid of it!well EUROPES time will soon be over, islam will be in control! is that what you fools really want? GOD SAVE AMERICA and ISREAL!

what?
evangelical voters would actualy vote for a muslim, before a mormon,why? do they really want to be under islam? do they really want our country to be destroyed? they don't care anymore? look at EUROPE, now they are suck withy it, don't know how to get rid of it!well EUROPES time will soon be over, islam will be in control! is that what you fools really want? GOD SAVE AMERICA and ISREAL!

We like Gen Powell, however there are
some who say he is walking both sides and is under consideration by Bro O. Not knowing the facts either he or Romney would be a great choice. Romney is hungry and has fire in the belly for President, along with his wifey who is mad about the job and has a lot to do with their money spending. Next time they can run.

Don Jones

A Wise McCain will Choose Romney
Romney would clearly be the best VP choice McCain could ever choose. He will ensure a Michigan victory. Washington State, Colorado, Utah, Montana, most of the western States, MA, and most of the South will take a McCain/Romney ticket over Obama/whoever. The Mormon question will not be the deal breaker here. The economy, jobs, ability to deal with the huge problems that exist domestically and in the middle East, Korea, China, foreign trade, etc. are all more important than the Mormon issue. Without Huckabee pulling down Romney at every political event and fomenting religious opposition, Romney's credentials will give McCain's Presidency Bid the sizzle it needs. McCain can handle the war issues well; Romney can give credence and strength to McCain on the domestic issues. Noone else can do so much to help John McCain as can Romney.

Amnesty John is boring
Mitt Romney can add life to John McCain's run for president. Rumor has it that during a snoozefest, a McCain speech broke out.

HOW McCain can walk into Oval Office
NOW

TODAY; McCain needs to stand in the middle of ANWR holding a pick and shovel

Announce: THE USA can drill and pump
as FAST as Putin can:


ELECTION ABOUT "OIL" not CHURCH !
GET a reality check folks

THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT church, abortion, gays, etc.

THIS elections is NOT even about any war they come and go as History proves:

THIS ELECTIONS IS ABOUT DRILL DRILL DRILL

SAVE the USA from Gates of HELL!

THIS ELECTION is about NOTHING more than
Saving the USA from the gates of HELL

and OBAMA will fast track the USA into HELL
Obama has nothing to OFFER that Carl MARX did not offer:

This election is about "DRILL" DRILL

NO WORLD BORDERS GOD Ruled;
WELL

Dictator Obama announced that there would NOT BE ANY BORDERS anywhere in the WORLD !

Of course Romney is the best man
He's made-to-order. New poll shows Romney easily gives Mac MI (17), Romney gets conservatives, Romney is ready to be pres if necessary, Romney is a perfect campaigner, willing to attack but is always a gentleman, he's Mr. fix-it for the economy. He's got a work-ethic that just won't quit, and has already helped Mac more than anyone.

Can't think of anyone who checks off as many boxes for Mac as Romney.

Mormonism Isn't An Issue Anymore
Compared to Black Liberation Theology, Mormonism is a peaceful, law-abiding, God and family-loving faith. Mormons aren't haters, never have been. They live and let live. I doubt the Obama campaign wants to bring up the subject of religion; Rev. Wright and Trinity Church will be the first place we'll want to revisit the issue. Besides, have you ever heard the Mormon Tabernacle Choir sing "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"? They're fabulous!


Romney is a good choice.
He is articulate, and does not lose his temper(like McCain is prone to do).

Romney is well versed on economic mattes.

And he probably will put Michigan in play, and may have a beneficial effect on Ohio.


religion might cause problems again
I think religion could cause McCain problems again. Romney's speech at a Regent graduation could cause a problem. Pat Robertson is a kook, a conman, and he helped his fake holyman son Gordon cheat on his wife and keep the affair hidden. The scandalmongering old fraud calls himself a holy prophet of God and tells us who God is angry with and smiting and tells his viewers to touch the tv screen for a miracle. Gordon says he laid his hands on a crippled boy and healed him and then pointed his finger at the boy's mute sister and healed her too. These healings occurred in a faraway country AND during Gordon's extramarital affair so I guess adultery is not a sin for the boring, overweight dorky son of a millionaire "holy prophet of God." Patty tied Katrina and the terrorist attacks to an angry God and a sinful nation. He is an embarrassment and is so UNChristian.
I wish our candidates would stay away from the famous holymen whose "religion" is greed and self-promotion and who exploit people whose faith is genuine.
I was excited about McCain but I think he is looking like a hypocrite now. He spoke truth about the "agents of intolerance" only to go to them when he needed votes. I wish McCain had stayed true to himself. I have lost a lot of respect for him.
He is being so overshadowed now though. It will be an interesting election.

Romney Could Carry Iowa W/O McAmnesty!

OVERHAUL IN ST. PAUL! DUMP MCAMNESTY NOW!

ROMNEY-SESSIONS '08!!!

Qualified
Wat I like about Romeny is his superb qualifications in education, work, and family. Some people get too focused on positions on issues imho and forget to look at the man. Most issues are cooked up in a backroom, somewhere, and are really tissues of lies. Someone who calls Romney a flack is just a quack.

Will, do you seriously think, as a
practical matter, the GOP party leaders should act publicly as 'gloom and doom' as you suggest? Of course, privately, they know how desparate it is for McCain/?, that it will take a small miracle, or a huge blunder by obomination, for the gop to win. Unpopular war, economic downturn, proven desire to change after 8 years of change, charismatic opponent, etc.

The party leaders (including mccain, which is difficult for him) need to maintain a cheery, optimistic reagan, bill (not hillary)facade. Buyers/voters don't like a scold, a la jimmy carter/john kerry. In the words of the immortal alfred e newman, "What, me worry?" The pub for obalmy on foreign trip has been shockingly positive.

have a smiley face nice day!

I'm not so sure about
Mitt. He poured a ton of money including his own into the primaries and couldn't close the deal.
Tom Ridge might work, pro life guy and we could sure use Penn.
I'd like to see Condi on the ticket, but John doesn't really need her foreign policy creds, he has his own.
Suppose he announced a complete cabinet or at least major positions?
Ridge as VP
Lieberman at State
Guiliani at Defense
Lindsay Graham as AG and Romney at Treasury
Every one of these guys brings maximum strenghth to those positions and all are articulate speakers in their own right.

Seems to me it would really rally the country to a winning team of solid Americans well known to all for their service and love of country.

the assumption that
romney will help in michigan based on a few private polls could prove disastrous. michigan is highly unionized, once the dems start in on romney his percieved popularity will fade just as his leads in the polls did during the presidential primarys .he is too much a symbol of corporate america ,job outsourcing,and eliteism . with the country tetering on a recession he will wind up being the dems whipping boy. these perceptions may be untrue but when has that ever stopped the dems.mcain needs someone with less corporate baggage at this point and more appeal to working class americans a group that did not give a lot of support to romney outside his mormon strong holds .

Gramm Gone
If Gramm was a large asset for McShame, it didn't show must in the direction of conservatism. Perhaps Gramm's job was to ensure that McShame didn't go to the right. Novak's footnote -- McShame attracted 600 to fill 2,500 seats at a rally indicates the direction that the Republicans are heading in the election and I think that the super-majority might be gained by the Socialist-Marxist party. Our current crop of Republicans have brought us this.

lewes
Come on lewes, don't hold back, you are amoung friends, tell us how you really feel about Pat Robertson. After all he is only a man of God who has helped countless humans through missionary work. I am sure your credentials are much better than that.

Save Jindal From McCain
If I thought in 4 years, McCain would step down and there would be a Romney-Jindal Republican ticket (Jindal can wait 12 years, he's young enough), I might hold my nose, shudder violently and vote for McCain in 08. But my problem with McCain is I don't trust him on ANY issue. He's still wrong on immigration (he thinks the fence is the ONLY issue) but I don't trust him on energy or taxes or judges, either. I know what he's saying. I just don't believe him and I think he'll throw American sovereignty under the bus just like Obama will because I think he, too, is a puppet of the banks and corporations. The difference is Obama's more upfront about his lousy We Are The World vision. As VP, I just think Jindal would be treated like a hood ornament and McCain will do whatever the heck he wants to do, anyway. I think Jindal should be saved from the taint of McCain.

Novak
Sorry, but I'll be danged if I read your article after you ran into a 60 year old pedestrian, splayed across your car's hood, and then try to run off and deny it. If it weren't for a bicyclist who had to chase you down, you'd be bragging about another hit to your cronies.

McCain needs to gamble
MC's chances of winning this election are very slim. IMO he needs to gamble with his VP pick. He must pick someone that can peel voters away from Obama. I think his only option is to pick a female. Maybe this will bring in all the moderate women as well as some disaffected Hillary supporters. Maybe even some white liberals who are looking for a politically correct reason (feminism) to vote against Obama.

Colin Powell would serve the same purpose, but the Rep base would be livid, and I don't think Powell is interested.

Mc cain,etc.
Is money important? Sooo whom is John more than likely considering for his VP? The economy is tanking...layoffs are starting to happen..the dollar value is in bad shape,import/export mess is not getting better, social security is headed
for "BAD CITY"...sorry folks there is only one really outstanding name for this scene ......
ROMNEY!
All this talk about gender,race,etc. may make someone feel fuzzy and warm..but the previous
items I just mentioned will prevail...........
if Mc Cain has an ounce of brains!
elvis

Romney......WORSE CHOICE???
I can think of a worse choice than Romney....
all the rest of the names being thrown around
for possibles..and hsmith of texas who ranted
here! Poor soul didn't get his morning coffee
yet! Awwwwww.......
elvis

Mitt is a good choice if...
Romney is a good choice if McCain makes him the economic half of the McCain team. It can't be just politics. Mac has to say, yeah I have had my personal problems with Mitt, but this is best for the country.

Pawlenty is a safe and likely choice too. But boring. Pawlenty has executive experience, but is not know to be particular great on hot issues like genergy or the economy.

And Bob Novak needs to stop sucking eggs about being used on Veep choices. Jeez Bob, it is not always about you and your fragile ego. You better pay attention when you are driving too.

Palin or Jindal will be a bold choice, but both are unlikely. Mostly for personal timing reasons. And there is always risk with a bold choice--but if they are half what people say they are both will rise to the challenge.

jindal
i agree, let the man have some time to settle in. GTo decide on the financial resposible thing and not give his state legislators a raise. No, no we wouldn't want anyone like that
in DC, the whole country would grind to a halt.
Choose what's right over what's profitable for the senators. I don't think the countrys ready
for that kind of honesty, yet. stevie / O

ranger 129
The 129 represents your age...amigo!
Robt. the only way juan is going to enter the white house is with mitt on the ticket..and that
is a maybe !! Otherwise..John is headed for an old folks home for veterans ...which Iam,(veteran)...no ,not in old folks home ! smile.
elvis

Mitt is a lead weight
MR is a dedicated Mormon. It does make a difference. Though the think-tank crowd can't see past their shortened noses, there are millions out here who are not willing, under any circumstance, to vote for a Mormon. Period. We don't trust him or them. The reasoning is beyond politicons, so it doesn't bear repeating. Just know that Mitt is the kiss of death for McCain's chances. The Stepford candidate should go home to the Stepford state where he receives 90% support and leave the rest of us alone. vls

I agree with Johnr22,
after obamination's triumphal world tour,he has neutralized (in the independent, inexpert eyes, not those of TH readers)the McCain defense/foreigh policy/experience factor.

thus as JohnR22 said, Johnny Mac needs to gamble with VP pick. Hope he doesn't do as poorly as ghwBush, with Dan Quayle pick. Let's go with Sarah Palin of Alaska. She is the anti-Mac, at least as far as appearance goes. And yes, appearance does matter, witness Obalmy's success.

someone might say she's not well enough known. Take a few photo's of this ex Miss Alaska, this prolife, prodrilling etc gov, and every heterosexual male will instantly remember her, and she could peel away some feminist votes.

Again, from MA conservative perspective: Romney was a good, not great, gov. I don't think he ever truly flip-flopped; I think he was only saying what a chief executive has to say, that he would enforce the current laws, e.g. abortion, gay marriage, etc., whether he liked them or not. I believe that as a practising Mormon, he is inherently conservative, and thus always internally on the conservative side, but he did want to get elected in this insane asylum of a state.

Romney is a guy you can't trust!
His change of position from being a guy who would stand for gays and a woman's right to choose was a stun. This is very clear in minds of voters. We ask where did his Mormon morals go when he was saying those things? It is easier to trust Obama because we know where he stands than to trust Romney because he is a cameleon. He just blends in. He may help Mccain in Mchigan may be. But will suffer a landslide in the south. Huckabee is the best for McCain. Pawlenti could not even deliver MN for McCain. Obama has proven that he is a better commander in chief and better at foreign affairs than Mccain.

Efi
writes, "Obama has proven that he is a better commander in chief and better at foreign affairs than Mccain."

Wow! The burden of proof must be extremely low for you. I suppose all he has to do is claim it and you are convinced. So sad.

Romney BAD For AMERICA!
If McCain wants to win this fall he'd better choose Huckabee as his VP. I am a Republican living in MI and if Romney's on the ticket, I'll stay home! Romney represents the worst of everything Republican -- a corporate raider with no heart or soul! He flips and flops on social issues & will say anything to get power! This is not a man whose finger I want on Nuclear Weapons!

RE:Romney is the right partner for McCai
Attention Liz. Romney has more honor, ethics and intelligence over all of the names being mentioned as McCain's running mate. Huckabee's tenure as Govenor of Arkansas has too many issues that the Democrats would use against him. I recommend that all Huckabee admirers please take a look at all of the legal complaints brought against him as Govenor of Arkansas. Mitt Romney is a man of honor that has no encumbrances. Just take a look at his morals and how he has lived his life. Go McCain-Romney in 08.

Huckabee? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha . . . .
Shoot, did someone REALLY mention Huck? That is hilarious.

Yeah, well Mac doesn't need a murderer-pardoning, squirrel-eating gaffe machine on the trail. He has enough troubles.

Might want to wake up and smell the coffee, chuckies. Romney is it. Don't vote for him, we don't care. The pastor-in-chief crowd doesn't matter a hill of beans.

Romney For VP? No.
All you Soros,Huffy,Kos-ites,should speak for yourselves. It is painful to talk from both sides of your mouths. Just ask your boy,Barack Hussein. He does it all the time.

McCain does not need Romney as his VP. Maybe a cabinet position,but not VP. But not because of his religion. It is because he has governed as a liberal to get elected in MA.

McCain is a liberal in many things,so he needs a more conservative VP to balance the ticket. Romney may not really be a liberal,but his history is what it is,and it would hurt McCain and the Republican Party this year.

OH WOW!
If Wobbie, King Liberal, Efi, Taft and Will all think Romney would be a poor choice...

ROMNEY MUST BE DA MAN!

And oh, BTW, More evangelicals voted for Romney in most of the primaries than voted for McCain.

Hitchhiker and wally
You must love party more than country. Are you ready to give the leadership of this country to an old man who is forgetful, who is all over the place just because he is of the gop? MCcain/Romney will be a disaster for America. Romney tried to buy the nomination during the primaries. In spite of help from the conservative media, Mike Huckabee who had no money but was loved by the people traunced him. Imagine Romney loaned himself 45 million buks and hasn't and will not be able to get it back./ Romney is a flip flopper. Only Mike Huckabee can help Mccain. but I won't like Huckabee to soil himself. He should rather prepare himself for another run. McCain has no foreign policy credentials except that he is a war hero and voted to support a war that has killed many brave soldiers, destroyed many lives both Iraqis and and Americans. We now know that this was because of oil that's why Mccain talked about being in Iraq for a hundred years so the oil company can benefit from the oil. Please I wish you will show your love for America by supporting Obama. Don't be blinded by what Limbaugh & al have told you?

Trickle down hatred..here we go again !!
When McCain addresses political differences..
he sounds bitter and nasty..snarly..angry..
Mitt Romney always speaks respectfully..not
like he wants to spit in your face..
Theres an undertone of soft bigotry in a lot of the blogs today..
Say anything to get power? Pinnochio..after
pinnochio.. that was McCain vs. Mitt Romney!
Finger on the trigger? McCain is like the crawl
on the bottom of the tv. screen..waiting for it to come around..again..Whoops !! Missed it !!
We need Mr. Romney !!


McRomney
Mitt is the best choice. I am sick of liberals and right wing extreamists trying to stir up the mormon issue. Mitt is a great american, with a good family and solid business background. Mitt can deliver several states, most important MI. We must beat BHO and his socialist cronies.

Let's talk Kasich

There is one Republican that could draw Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana etc, over to Sen. McCain column and that's former Ohio Rep. John Kasich.

Too bad the national pundits, including you Mr. Novak don't look deeper on the Republican bench.

Mr. Kasich has the quality of reputation, economic/financial and governmental experience to make him a sure hand choice.

Add his good demeanor, youthful maturity and solid ability to speak and think on his feet and you have a VP candidate drawn from the ranks of winners.

Rep. Kasich's affinity for working class Americans is well documented during his time in the congress and the oft heard discussion of his own childhood and Ohio origins.

Sen. McCain would get a blue chip, blue collar running mate with the selection of John. Kasich.

Efi
You're too late, Huck soiled himself already- He committed political suicide about 300 times, but the clincher was the assassinate Obama gaffe. Just one too many, I'm afraid.

He is toast, black toast.

Mike Huckabee? No.
McCain does not need Mike Huckabee. He does not need Mitt Romney. Both have liberal leanings. Leopards cannot change their spots. They may paint over them for appearances' sake,but the paint will run and the spots are still there.

I am not a right wing extremist,but I am a conservative and I know that if McCain does not pick a person with a lifetime of conservative values,he will lose.

There are some things we value more than party. That is the only way some conservatives will vote for McCain. That and to assure that Obama does not win.

Rowly
What are Romney's liberal leanings, pray tell?

Northeast Pa's Going Lou
Senator McCain can make conservatives like myself feel measurably better about this election if he chooses Romney. I'm worried because every time he gets a chance to do the right thing, he sticks his thumb in our eyes.

I'm hopeful that Fox New's recent expose of Kanjorski's shady dealings will sink him. As for the small turnout for McCain, this area is heavily democratic, and while conservatives like myself may not be moved to see the man in person, considering the alternative, we'll be pulling the lever for him.

Bashing
The mantra has been that Romney is being bashed because of being Mormon. The 'evangelicals', meaning anyone who disagrees with having Romney, are bigots. I don't think the Romney supporters even have a uniform definition of evangelicals other than everyone who disagrees with Romney's candidacy for anything.

ADVICE: Stop starting and dragging out specious arguments and bashing people you can't even identify.

SECOND PIECE OF ADVICE: Stop bashing Huckabee. He is not really under consideration and the lies told about him are past offensive.

THIRD PIECE OF ADVICE: Quit acting like Romney is a god. He may have a happy marriage but to ignore the problems he has had with his business and political history is naive and misguided. You are better off finding a way to persuade others than to run them away. Can't you say something positive about Romney without insulting and disparaging everyone else? The insults, which were totally erroneous, against Jindal that I have read in the last two days by pro-Romney people were gratuitous. Jindal is not in consideration. Why try to trash a man with lies? Do you think Romney can only succeed with you trashing other people. If he can't get to the top on merit, do you think you can kill everyone else's reputation to put him there?

This race is between McCain and Obama. We are facing critical times.


Gov. Jindal as McCain Running-Mate
Mr. Novak,
Could you please shut up about Gov. Jindal possibly being McCain's running-mate. Don't get me wrong I think Gov. Jindal is a great conservative, and would love to see him as a VP or even President, but right now he needs to stay as Governor of Louisiana. Conservatives need a good conservative Governor there. So please do not encourage McCain to take Gov. Jindal from his post as Governor of Louisiana, at least not right now.

Rowly
Good morning.

Don't engage in this argument with PC. The facts are the facts. If PC is so pro-Romney that he or she cannot look at his record objectively, all of the arguing in the world won't change it.

I have read posts in the last two days that have threatened that, if McCain does not pick Romney, the Mormons will not turn out for McCain. The posts were not made by the ever-bashed 'evangelicals'. If the Mormons want to make it about religion, then they have put the future of this country on the back-burner to promote a candidate for religious reasons.

McCain
There happens to be a couple things I admire about McCain, and one is his own sons are in iraq. For this reason, I think McCain would never have Romney, and his "My sons are serving their country helping me," on his team.

BTW You all know Novak was in involved in a hit and run accident this week, right? He lied through his yellow 'cake' teeth and said he didn't see the 60 year old pedestrian splayed across his hood.

Let's talk conservative
Let's talk Kasich

There is one Republican that could draw Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana etc, over to Sen. McCain column and that's former Ohio Rep. John Kasich.

Too bad the national pundits, including you Mr. Novak don't look deeper on the Republican bench.

Mr. Kasich has the quality of reputation, economic/financial and governmental experience to make him a sure hand choice.

Add his good demeanor, youthful maturity and solid ability to speak and think on his feet and you have a VP candidate drawn from the ranks of winners.

Rep. Kasich's affinity for working class Americans is well documented during his time in the congress and the oft heard discussion of his own childhood and Ohio origins.

Sen. McCain would get a blue chip, blue collar running mate with the selection of John. Kasich.

PC
You know Romney's history as well as I do. What may be liberal to me,may not be liberal to you,so I will not go there. I stated my opinion. It stands.


Politicians Speak With Forked Tongue
Frankly, how can anyone criticize Romney - or any of the people being considered by McCain as a Vice Presidential candidate. Any one of them is more qualified to become Vice President than Obama is qualified to be President.
No worries about Romney at all as we have a Socialist with NO experience, very questionable associations, an arrogance beyond words, and a resume that can fit into a thimble running for President. Not to mention his anti-American attitude that he carries with him everywhere he goes!! Oh I forgot, Obama has checked in with Europe so I guess he has passed the acceptable test - oh my!

Taft
Just so you are correct, I want you to remember that McCain adopted his first wife's children. His adopted son served in the military. His and Cindy's son Jack has served in Iraq. Never during his campaigning have I ever heard him use that as a campaign ploy or tool. I respect and admire that greatly. His and Cindy's second son is either in Iraq or soon to be there.

I saw and heard Romney make the statement you reference. It was a big political gaffe.

vonryanexpress
I believe there has been a poster named Lisa who has been in favor of John Kasich. There are many good options for McCain. John Kasich is a good man. I, too, would be proud to see him picked; but, I doubt that will happen.

Only McCain knows what he will do. We will either live with it or without it, depending on how we view the alternative.

We are in a very critical time.

Romney will be a disaster!
Romney should be disqualified because he showed that he won't be a good guy for the economy. The way he managed his campaign, investing millions of his own money showed he invested in vain. His campaign still owes him $45 million. If he worked for me and managed this way i'll fire him and put him in jail. If he can squander his own money this way what would he not do with Our tax dollars? Mike Huckabee showed beyond any reasonable doubt that he is a shrewd manager. He got so much from the little that was invested. If Mccain thinks that money can buy votes, then Romney is his choice. But if he truly wants to connect with the people, there is no better choice than Mike Huckabee. Mike Huckabee and Obama were the only non establishment candidates who can make a difference. Remember Romney let us know that Mccain was a product of Washington and cannot change Washington. Some of you who support Romney certainly have a short memory. Have you forgotten the Florida primaries? or the CNN debate in the reagan library. It's difficult to know where Romney stands on social issues. The guy is all over the place. Mitt cannot be trusted.

Not a bad choice
Ok no one will be a perfect choice for everyone. This is America and that is a good thing not every one has to be happy with every decision. Mitt although I did not vote for him in the primary would be a good solid choice. McCain needs some one that can appeal to the voters where Obama is strong. If Mitt could deliver Michigan, he might even pull in Minnesota and Wisconsin. After all we have heard how other presidents selected people that they were not particularly found of but they brought badly needed electoral votes. So on the face of things Mitt would probably be the best match out there that would be willing to accept the position of Vice President

Summers
Good afternoon to you.
I like Kasich,too. I was sorry to see him leave congress. He saw the direction it was going and I can't say I blame him. Some cannot go left and stay true to themselves.

I would hate to see anyone picked whose religion would be a big factor. The left ,especially the MSM would use it against them. I think they should believe in God,but not use religion.

No way to Romney
Romney on the ticket would ensure that McCain loses big in November. Despite what the Romniacs on message boards would have us believe, the Mittster has very little popularity with the voters, conservative or otherwise. Pawlenty would be a safe pick that wouldn't tick off any segment of the party and could put Minnesota in play for McCain. I'd still go with Huckabee though. The ground troops that Huckabee would bring to the campaign would be huge and it would help bring in those disaffected blue-collar democrats to vote for the ticket.

Efi, see the nice men in the white
coats coming to you? Don't resist, they have your best interests at heart. Just keep of saying things like "show your love for America by voting for Obama." Yes, I know dear, you are the long lost Queen of France, slip your arms behind your back, that's it, nice and easy.

Liz from MI, 11:20 a.m.
Folks like you who say "McCain better not nominate X for VP, or else I will stay home and not vote" remind me of the little kid who didn't like how the game was going, so he took away the bat and ball and skulked home. Grow up; McCain and X would be better than Obalmy and any Y.

An automatic red flag
Having listened to Conservative talk radio since I was about 14 years old I have learned that whenever someone has to specify that "I am a Republican/Conservative" (Liz in post #40)as a way to start their point, 98% of the time they are NEITHER Republican, nor Conservative.

What they are is what Rush calls a "Seminar Caller" or in this case a Seminar poster.
A Democrat calling/posting from a phone or internet user pool set up to call/post to a radio show/internet site and always start with something along the lines of "I almost always agree with you, BUT..."

So tell us Liz, what are some of Romney's evil Corporate raiding tactics that have been so detrimental to others and would hurt the country so badly?

Joseph
If someone does not agree with you; it is no more than that. They do not agree. Unless freedom of thought is unconstitutional, Efi is entitled to her opinion. I re-read her posts and have a better understanding of the point she is making. Your own opinions could be attacked with incivility and better humor than you are attempting to display.

Joseph, we are too long past the point of arguing among ourselves. That was for the primaries. They are over. There is a very serious decision to be made. Be part of the solution, not the problem. Our future depends upon it.

NewNavyEnsign
Bravo for your service to our country! I applaud you and admire you for that.

You are a young man. I am far, far older. If you have not researched the candidates during the primary, why don't you do so now? After attempting to do so, if you still are looking for an argument, I will not argue but will state some facts for you. While you may not accept them, 'facts are stubborn things'. You are best served by doing you own homework.

Efi,
First thing I want to ask you is did you ever learn to seperate your thoughts into coherent sentences and paragraphs instead of one long run together continuous string of words where your point gets lost?

Actually there's a lot of people besides you who do that, and it's all but impossible to figure out what any of you are trying to say.

Next you claim that Romney tried to "buy" the nomination by loaning himself money. What exactly do you think Hillary was doing when she loaned herself money? Or Obambi is doing by loaning himself money? Or any number of other rich politicians who did the same thing?

Personally I'd much rather see a rich person who can afford to do so finanace their own campaign, no matter how much they spend, or "loan themselves" because it's just that much less of MY tax money that will stay in MY pockets.

Who cares how much they spend, or loan themselves?
It's THEIR money. They are free to spend it as they please and I seriously doubt that they're really worried about getting it back.

Huckabee bashers are out
I repeat, Huckabee is not on any alleged 'short list' of McCain's that I have heard about. Why trash him? Why treat people who supported him as cretins? Why lie about his record?

If you must attack someone, please state the facts, the SPECIFIC facts. If it continues, I will state them for you with a modicum of sarcasm as lagniappe. If you favor one candidate over another, that's your business and promoting that person is great. A debate can either be critical or persuasive. It takes more thought to be persuasive.

One heartbeat away...

...and what other candidate would make my heart beat faster?

Yes, Mitt Romney as Veep would actually reduce my reluctance to vote for McCain.

Not only is Romney easy on the eyes, he also has enough economic smarts that he can attract businesses and JOBS back to the United States!

NewNavyEnsign
You are so right!

Though I have occasionally started a sentance with that phrase, when I hear others say it, I usually prepare myself for an extreme Leftie comment.

When I do say that, it means I am about to disagree with another conservative about something.

Why don't you tell us all about it
unclevirgil
Location: AZ

Reply # 36
Date: Jul 26, 2008 - 10:14 AM EST Mitt is a lead weight
MR is a dedicated Mormon. It does make a difference. Though the think-tank crowd can't see past their shortened noses, there are millions out here who are not willing, under any circumstance, to vote for a Mormon. Period. We don't trust him or them. The reasoning is beyond politicons, so it doesn't bear repeating.


Why wouldn't you, or any of the other "millions out here," "under any circumstance vote for a Mormon?

Why don't you trust them? What did they ever do to you?

I agree with you though that it is beyond politics. It sounds a lot to me like just plain religious based bigotry if the main reason you won't vote fro him is because of the religion he belongs to.

NewnavyEnsign
Thanks for letting me know about the way my ideas come across. You know we learn every day. My point is that if Romney could not reach his goals with the investment he made, he is a bad option for the country. The tax paer's money is not given to candidates during the primaries. Huckabee did not benefit from it. You just need to go to you tube and watch Romney's debate with Ted Kennedy, and during his run for governor and you will know that this guy cannot be trusted. He is all over the place. When it was politically advantages to be pro-choice and pro-gay, he took that position and only became a convert during his run for the presidency. As Christian, my Bible tells me to not give leadership responsibilities to new convert. If truly Mitt has converted, it is a god thing but he needs time to mature and to built trust. You done just come to me and say i am pro life because you think that's what i want to hear in order to vote for you. For a long time social conservatives have been manipulated to care only about social issues. We care also about the image of America abroad. I have come to understand that those social issues will not change wether under the gop or the dems. We have a responsibility to carry the goodnews of jesus Christ and help change hearts and minds. Politicians won't do that job. I hope my ideas come across smothly this time!

Well Summers
I've done my homework, and I did constantly researching all of the candidates during the primaries, as I continue to do now that our candidate has been appointed for us and the Democrats seem determined to elect their Messiah in spite of the fact that he's nothing but an empty suit with NO political experience to speak of.

I just want to know other peoples reasons for supporting or opposing whoever they do.
I'm always open to learning new things so maybe they can teach me something that I don't already knonw.

NOT ONE Obama supporter that I've ever asked to tell me of one of his accomplishments has ever been able to tell me ANYTHING he's done.

BUT, they are ALWAYS able to tell me that "He's not Bush." Or how about this gem, "He's not a Republican."
Yep, those are definitely GREAT reasons, in fact the "very best" reasons, I can think of to vote for a candidate.

God help this nation if airheads like that succeed in putting an airhead like Obambi into the Oval Office.

That's really odd, Efi
In fact it's just plain ridiculous for you to say that.
"My point is that if Romney could not reach his goals with the investment he made"

Check the financial pages and other sources about him and his net worth Efi. You'll find that he's a MULTI MILLIONAIRE.
One doesn't become that way by continuously not reaching investment or other financial goals.

Being as he grew up in West Bloomfield, Michigan, not far from where I grew up, I know almost everything there is to know about him and his family.
His family might have had money because of his fathers business successes, but Mitt made his own fortune. All you need to do is look, and with NO trouble at all, you will see that.

Summers, Well, think again.
"I don't think the Romney supporters even have a uniform definition of evangelicals other than everyone who disagrees with Romney's candidacy for anything."

Guess you have forgotten "Evangelicals for Mitt" huh?

I was a Romney supporter for president and would consider him to be a real benifit to McCain's cantidacy (providing McCain gets off of his butt and starts being pro-active).

Your idea that all Evangelicals are against Mitt or that Mitt supporters think so is just plain silly.

And, YES I know what an Evangelical is. I consider myself to be an Evangelical Christian. Do you know what the word means?

OBAMA WILL BE a FIRST AMERICAN DICTATOR
reply to #77:

Nothing is perfect in this world.You can talk
free ( at least now). In few months if Obama
will be elected, EVERYTHING WILL BE DIFFERENT.
WE WILL HAVE A FIRST AMERICAN DICTATOR -
President ! It would be a big 'interruption'
in your understanding about "goodnews of Jesus
Christ", pro-choice and ALL other social issues.
THINK "ROMNEY" NOW -- you still have a time for
a right decision.





Romney -- a poor choice
Why do people operate under the guise that this man is Conservative? Where are his Conservative accomplishments? Is it not evident that in being the governor of Massachusetts, anywhere from the 1st to 3rd most liberal state in the union, this guy needs some conservative credentials?

He makes business elites happy, and that's about it. His own judicial appointments in MA were nothing to brag about.

Efi, I thought maybe you were crazy...
"vote for Obama"

You've removed all doubt!

You may be a very nice person but no one in their right mind would want Obama if they are thinking and not just buying into the Obama Mania.

"Change you can believe in"?

Well, DUH! Jumping out of the frying pan into the fire would be "change you can believe in", wouldn't it?

He has absolutely no qualifications for the job, NONE, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH.

His leanings are decidedly marxist.

By his very own admission, in his very own book, "if push comes to shove" his sympathies are with the Moslems! (that's not saying he IS one).

Inasmuch as most of the problems in the world right now are coming from Moslem countries and extremist Moslems, that ought to throw up a red flag for anyone with a brain.




Also
On McCain-Romney supposedly carrying the state by a comfortable margin, *where is the poll?!*

The poll I had seen referenced in other articles was produced by these guys:

http://www.ayresmchenry.com/default.asp?pt=news&RT=12

I still do not see any poll listed! Cite the poll's name, and show us the results. Also, does the poll ask about McCain-Romney vs. Obama-Clinton? Whoever Obama picks may make it a moot point regardless.

NewNavyEnsign
I have to agree with you thatRomney did very well in business even though he was born with s silver spoon in his mouth. I was refering to the goals set to win the primary. His run has shown that there is a huge difference in tunning a country and running a business. Other wise we would hand this country over to Bill gates or Buffet. Romney does not come any where near them. His neworth before entering the race was $200 million. Now you subtract $45 million. many of his supporters like you love to blame Huckabee for his failure. The conservative media actually worked hard to dissuade many from voting for Huckabee, claiming that a vote for Huck was a vote for Mccain. If the field was plain, Huckabee would be our nominee. But now we have Mccain and you are still fighting to put Romney on the ticket. I even pray Mccain would take Romney. But I assure it will be a disaster. McCain?Romney may end up winning only Utah.

If McCain is serious...
...about appealing to Hillary's voting block, then I think the choice is obvious.

Sarah Palin of Australia comes from a state with 3 electoral votes, but she is an energetic, fresh face that would appeal to independent and swing voters all across the United States.

Put a highly qualified, capable woman on your ticket Senator McCain.

http://rattlergator.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c838c53ef00e552 9557888834-pi

Who couldn't love this face???

Stoic Patriot, Lets agree to disagree..
There are a number of possible great choices available to J. Mc, Romney being just one of them. Let's hope he makes a great choice.

Both Romney and Palin would give J. Mc things he lacks and needs.

My real concern is that the Repubs. don't blow the golden opportunity the Damn-O-Crats are doing their best to hand them by blocking oil drilling and oil shale development.


Er, ah, Son of Ted, when
did we annex Australia as our 51st state? ;)

Er, ah, son of Ted, when
did we annex Australia as our 51st state? ;)

Romney Brings More Than Michigan
Yes, adding Romney to the ticket virtually guarantees that McCain will win Michigan. But he adds a lot more than that to the ticket: economic gravitas, fundraising ability, executive experience, youth and vigor, increased votes for McCain from former Romney supporters, and, most importantly, voter confidence that he could step in and actually be a good president in the event something happens to McCain. Romney's a great VP pick.

Not Ridge, Please!
Saw Tom Ridge on the news acting smug when asked about the possibility he might be VP pick. That's a pro-choice pick that would cause my wallet to stay closed just when I was starting to come around and deciding I might send the campaign some $.

wowie...this is more exciting than...
sleeping !
When Efi,and all these other Mitt critics
go pull an OLYMPICS out of a scandel,and millions of dollars in debt and go to a state that is almost as bad as OL RUSSIA (MASS.) AND PULL IT OUT OF DEBT...AFTER YOU DO THAT..then come back with all your expertise and accomplishments and talk about who is great and who isnt..!! And I almost forgot to mention made almost 300 million dollars making business
decisions.... oh well, jealousy and envy does have it's hostile side doesn't it! Plus the man
waived his fee at the olympics and his salary
as Gov. do you see obama,mc cain,etc. waiving their incomes ? The man has character..period!
elvis

Political ambitions motivated Mitt
I have to agree with you that turning the olympics was an extra ordinary thing. But that does not qualify him to be vp. I don't know why he waived his salary. there is no prove to show if that was done for political purposes or not. You have not refuted the case against him. The case that he is a flip flopper and needs time to build trust. Mitt and Mccain came across during the primary as angry men. The went after one another in ways that are not presidential.

600 of 2,500 seats?
"A footnote: Barletta did not show up for Sen. McCain's rally Wednesday in Wilkes-Barre. No more than 600 of the 2,500 theater seats were filled for the event."

How did Gramps ever get the momination?

600 of 2,500 seats?
"A footnote: Barletta did not show up for Sen. McCain's rally Wednesday in Wilkes-Barre. No more than 600 of the 2,500 theater seats were filled for the event."

How did Gramps ever get the momination?

George Romney's "popularity"
As Governor of MI means absolutely nothing in 2008. The demographics of the stat have changed dramatically since the elder Rommey ran the state and is the reason the Dems have won the Electoral votes for so many years now.

Romney cannot & will not deliver even MA where he had his own Governorship. To the best of my knowledge Ma has recently passed a bill that allows Voter Registration on Election Day without providing difinitive (picture) identification.
It is a move that will bring 'illegals' to the polls. Remember, MA is a 'Sactuary State' being run by the 'original' Obama - Duval Patrick - who came out of Chicago without any Government or Managerial experience yet still won on the slogan "Yes We Can" combined with the unpopularity of Romney.

MA is going to The Obamassiah as is MI and worrying about winning either is a losing strategy for McCain.

It might be better to proclaim Romney a "finalist on the VERY SHORT list" then "ask" him to accept a Cabinet position such as Commerce (if Barry can already be assembling a 'transition team' John can 'One-up' him by naming Cabinet people) which would alleviate voter fears over McCain's self-described "lack of understanding" of the economy.

Tim Pawlenty of MN is a better choice for VP. Young, he offsets McCain's age. And he CAN deliver not only for McCain but for Norm Coleman as well.


W/O=

Wally from where else but Utah
I am very familiar with Evangelicals for Mitt as I went to their website several times.

What is your definition of 'evangelical'?

Sky Remember Me
I have a word for Mr. Novak: Believe in one thing. You may report what you wish. Believe in another, a free People will judge you. Believe in one more thing......your thoughts will lead to your crisis.....your mind wanting to love but your newspaper gut telling you to hate this country in the shadows....to gane fame and fortitude. Our Forefathers gave up everything to make this country free with honesty and the sacrifice of their families...You Sir do nothing but look in the mirror and admire yourself.

Body Language..Tells It all !!
Remember the debates ? Did anyone notice when it was someones turn to speak.. Mitt would turn to look at the person..not blinking like a sleepy owl.. whoo..whoo.. woke me up..? Or looking down at his notes.. he pays attention..
thats important!! Hes not like some billy-
goat gruff !! People who listen well..tend to have fewer memory problems. McCain should not think we have forgotten his shabby primary
behaviour !!

Romney VS Pawlenty
Most of the US have never heard the name Pawlenty, whereas Romney is well know and well loved, esp in Michigan. Just wishful thinking on your part son.:))) That said, noone knows who is going to be the GOP's VP except for McCain and maybe his close advisers. I am hoping it's Romney but it may not be.

The only important part of this column
"Kanjorski is running behind Lou Barletta, the Republican Mayor of Hazleton, Pa., who has made a national reputation as a foe of illegal immigration."

Do you think Shoeless John McCain is taking note? Fat chance. McCain is the GOP's Manny Ramirez, in it just for himself.

son of ted
Why didn't anyone tell me about our new state,australia? When can I buy our "new" flag? Romney is an excellent choice for VP. Clearly, McCain needs colonics to flush out his system. Romney can help to mobilze the base McCain must have to win.I'm hoping there's someone around to cue him in.If not Romney, it has to be someone with a vision that inspires!That is....America

Romney? Gag me
We are already stuck with a big RINO. Why the hell would it add to the ticket to have someone who created and signed a law to FORCE people to buy health insurance? There is nothing conservative about that. Romney's 2nd Amendment credentials are non-existent, he hates the idea of tax reform.

Other than Fred Thompson, none of the original Republican candidates deserve to be nominated as the running mate.

Romney VS ?????
Amazing that someone thinks that Mormons won't vote for McCain if Romney isn't picked for the VP spot!! I campained for Romney hard, and when it was obvious that he wasn't going to be the winner he emailed everyone of us and asked us to throw our support to McCain. His praise of McCain and his request is the main reason I'm voting at all. That's Romney, a man who puts his country first. He doesn't care if he is VP, he cares if this country survives. I'm trying to do the same and follow Romney's example. Those of you who don't like him do not know him. I do. I am Mormon and that's not the reason I backed Romney. I stand by him because of his morals, his ethics, his wisdom and his ability to pull this country back together and out of the fix that the left wing idiots in the Congress have put us in. We need more than the average. Religion doesn't matter to me as far as leaders of our country. But honesty, good morals, etc. do!!! Please look at the real Romney guys. He's solid to the core.

Pawlenty
I watched Pawlenty square off against Rahm Emanuel a couple of weeks ago on Fox News Sunday and Emanuel mopped the floor with him. Pawlenty was timid, mild-mannered in an annoyingly smiley way, and didn't seem to be well-informed. I really don't get his appeal with GOP elites. I say, sure, make him VP. Load up the Titanic with as many losers as we can so we don't have to prolong any longer than necessary. Kind of like ripping off a band-aid. One quick pull and it's over.

Romney VS ?????
Anyone who thinks that health care was forced on the people of Massachuttsets doesn't do their homework. Please research the facts because you are sounding so uninformed. Romney researched the best way to provide the opportunity for people to choose their own health care and make sure it was privatized. Look it up. Or do you just rely on others who aren't giving you the accurate facts?

So Many Posts
Praising Mitt the "self-made millionaire" I feel I must throw some water on this brush-fire.

Please take a closer look at much of Romney's business dealings. You can bet if he is the VP choice the Dems will let everyone in the country hear them. Especially in a year when the Dem Congress has gone out of it's way to make "speculator" akin to "evil", and the Real Estate industry agents of evil.

Mitt was the ultimate real estate speculator and, some of his 'investments' were brought to light in his run for Governor. Many either didn't understand the implications or didn't like the Dem (most likely explanation) AND voted for him anyway.

This will not be the case in November as the Obamassiah campaign make sure Romney's past business dealings are front & center. It won't matter that there will be nothing illegal about any of it, the innuendo will be enough.
The bottom line is, Romney would be a drag on a ticket that already has the Candidate himself, McCain as it's #1 drag.

My guess is that the Romney supporters are trying to position him as the presumptive #1 Republican challenger in 2012 but they should rethink that strategy. Being called a "real estate speculator" by the Dems in 2008 will kill any chance of getting the GOP nod in 2012.


W/O=

Thompson
A name I haven't heard since he left the campaign.Has anyone heard it since? Ever wonder why he gave up so quickly?, on us, and America? A voice of hope,strength,resolve and fortitude? American exceptionalism anyone? How we dare to dream......

Romney's Positions Unchanged
I am going to speak from the heart to all who are posting here, and on many other blogs, against Mitt Romney.
He has NEVER flipflopped on ANY issue. Most of you posting seem to have a problem with this matter of immense importance, which is standing in the office unto which you have been appointed and carrying out the duties of that office, as the law prescribes.
Mitt Romney believes in a God given right that allows us to freely choose for ourselves how we will react to issues such as abortion and gay rights.
He has always been against the unrestricted killing of babies because of them being unwanted for whatever reason. If the life of the mother is endangered by the pregnancy then the entire situation changes.
He has always supported God's given rights to to choose in all areas of living, including sexual choices, with the knowledge that we are to love and help ALL of God's children to make correct decisions, BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT ENTER INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD, UNCLEAN.
I will probably be visiting you again to start setting aright some of the charges against a very good and moral man, who is by far the best person to lead this nation in times like these.

dancing
HEALTH CARE: Fox News carried a report on the health insurance plan for Massachusetts in several of its news segments on Thursday, if you want to look at them.

Problems pointed out and acknowledged:
1. There has been a gross underestimation of the number of people who would be covered from the outset to date. This has caused an overage of $150,000,000+ to that budget item and that overage is expected to grow no less than 10% each year.
2. To solve the problem more taxpayer money will be required and the services covered will have to be diminished. Additionally, people who are paying their portion of insurance costs will have to pay more.

I have not said that this health care debacle was forced on the people of Massachusetts. However, as much as Romney bragged about it during the debates, and considering that he is the stellar businessman, I had thought it would be some great success, especially in light of the fact that he claimed it would work for the country.

Please tell me SPECIFICALLY how this plan differs from what Obama is proposing.

Wright of center
God is not entering into this discussion and is not a part of it.

Wright of Center
"He has always been against the unrestricted killing of babies because of them being unwanted for whatever reason."

You. Are. Wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMdK0TWtks

Game. Set. Match.

dancing
Mormons have elected Harry Reid and Orrin Hatch. Considering that, it does not seem that Mormons are a monolithic voting block unless putting a Mormon in office is the sole criterion.

Assuming that is not the case, it is not what has been presented by several Romney supporters who have posted on several columns here at TH. Also, if you receive Ann Coulter's letter separately from TH, you may want to review the posts there by several Romney supporters. For example, Bill Trent of Louisville, Ky., opined that Romney was best positioned to work 'across the aisle' with Reid due to their commonality of beliefs.

Granted, stupid people can say stupid things; but, sometimes those stupid things are best left unsaid.

I Am Sans Pareil
During the Mass. gubernatorial campaign, the matter of the U.S. v. Bain Capital/Damon Corp., tried in the federal court in Mass. came up. Damon was a Mass. corporation that delivered healthcare services. Bain acquired it; and, Romney personally ran the deal. It was a criminal charge against Bain and Damon for overbilling Medicare. Bain had to pay $180,000,000+ back to the federal government. When asked about it, Romney said he was the 'whistleblower' in the matter, meaning that he had brought it to the attention of the federal prosecuting authorities. U.S. Attorney Stern told the press that was a lie and that the case was a matter of 'corporate greed run amok'. Now, that is a problem.

Romney's Mormonism
I don't think for a minute that the issue of our beliefs and the way we practice our faith is settled. In order to help Brother Romney's detractors come to a clear understanding of how and why Mormons believe like we do, I will turn this whole thread to religion for a few minutes. As a practicing member of the LDS church I wish to share my testimony of the Lord, Jesus Christ and of the restoration of his church upon the earth in these latter days.
Christ set up his church and ordained leaders to bring souls to Him, by spreading the gospel.
In time, the entire church had apostasized, and the FULLNESS of the gospel with its saving ordinances were lost.
Many true believers continued to seek light and knowledge and we passed through the dark ages as the Protestant Reformation again started drawing us back to God's laws and commandments.
IN 1820 Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith and unsealed the heavens once more. Joseph stands at the head of this last dispensation of time as the Prophet of the Restoration and unto him all of the keys pertaining to the salvation of mankind were restored to the earth.
This is true, and I plus millions of others know it is so.
Brother Romney relies upon the guidance of the Holy Ghost in his life and as a member of Christ's church is entitled to His guidance, as he walks humbley before his creator, keeping his commandments faithfully.

Dems want Romney on the ticket!
Want to guarantee an Obama victory -- put Mitt on this ticket. The S.S. McCain will sink faster than the Titanic.

Check out Raw-money's demographic set at: http://tinyurl.com/62qcn5

every time ....
I read about all these failures of Romney...
I research it to the bone...and guess what!?
It never ends up being like the blogger paints it ! They leave a little out here and add
a little there..uhhhhh huuuh tell it like you weant it to be...doesn't make it sooo! Now Iam
hoping Mitt does get the nod (but I don't think he will) so he can go into detail..and he will do a great job! And why is it that after a almost a year folks keep overlooking the very important fact....MASS. is 85% liberal ...sooo if mitt isn't liked in MASS. that is a good sign
ALL YOU SO CALLED CONSERVATIVES...DUH!
And comparing Reid to Romney is unjust and foolish ! Reid is from nevada...quite different
from utah! And Reid stinketh...I can smell him all the way from calif. !!!
elvis

Summers, Sans Pareil,
the glitches of Bain Capital and MA health care plan (which of course, as a good conservative, I was against) are small beer, and would not get 15 seconds, never mind 15 minutes of fame in the campaign if Mitt were the Veep candidate.

His image of being a more than competent manager is etched in the collective mind of the electorate, however true it actually might be. there might be other reasons not to choose him, but these ain't them.

Summers
God is in, and a part of every discussion, whether you or I want it to be so or not.
Let us all come out of the shadows and proclaim our beliefs and then we can be a true servant to our nation and its values.

Romney For VP? No.
The above posts debating Romney for VP is exactly the reason he will not do. It would never end. He does not need to be considered.

There are many more things we need to worry about than Romney's religion. His voting history. He can no more change his history than McCain can.

McCain needs a conservative,nothing but a conservative,so help me God. If he goes any other way,in my opinion,he will lose in November.

elvis
The best thing to do for posters here is to correct what is incorrect. If anyone is wrong, including myself, you serve a good purpose to set it straight.

Wright of Center
I do not intend to discuss religion here. My faith is sound and unshaken by anyone else's beliefs. I will always work to the glory of God.

elvis
I specifically stated where I got the quote and who made it. Take it up with the Mormon who made it. Adios!

elvis
Why don't you set forth some examples of what is incorrectly stated about Romney in these posts?

While you are at it, give your definition of what a conservative is.

Summers, I KNOW the definition...
"What is your definition of 'evangelical'? "

But I asked you first; why are you dodging the question?

wally
I asked that question first much earlier today.

I understand Wright of Center's point of view and beliefs. I am not responding to what he said.

I think the words 'conservative' and 'evangelical' do not have consistent meanings in any thread. Frankly, I don't think Christian does, either. But, as to Christianity, I don't discuss it on TH. As to 'evangelical', sometimes it seems that posters allot that word to Southern Baptists. Other times they seem to give it a broader meaning. I am interested in a finer point in discussion so that I can better appreciate and understand the poster's viewpoint. Suffice it to say, I am neither a Southern Baptist nor a Mormon. I am not a member of an 'apostate church'; but, I am a member of a Christian demomination. I firmly and unquestionably believe that Jesus is my Lord and Savior. As He clearly states in the Bible, He is the way and the light.

I am beginning to question what is meant by 'conservative' as there seem to be social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, Christian conservatives, and so forth. Does the word 'conservative' used in TH mean one is all of the above, one of the above, or two of the above? That is what I am working to understand.


Stoic Patriot, No, friend, you are!
Wright of Center said:

"He has always been against the unrestricted killing of babies because of them being unwanted for whatever reason."

Part of Romneys religion is that everyone has the right to choose, even if they make wrong or bad choices. I live in Utah, Mormons are opposed to alcholic beverages but Utah is not a "dry" state.

Romney stated long ago that he personally opposed abortion but was reluctant to limit choice. Personally, I applaud the fact that he came around on this and realized that it is not the womans choice only.

When I see that I've been wrong, I adjust my opinion. What do you do? Looks to me that that is exactly what Romney did.


Summers1
On the meaning of Conservatism, you'll find that to be a major battleground on Townhall. Generally, I would say there are 4 different subtypes of Conservatism:

Neoconservatives: these folks advocate an interventionist foreign policy using military force. Generally separable into 3 subtypes: real politik (all policy should be geared towards advancing our interests), ideologues (all policy should be geared towards advancing our ideals -- not always identical to interests), and war mongers (those who are hungry for us to kick anyone and everyone's butt).

Summers, I KNOW the definition...
"What is your definition of 'evangelical'? "

But I asked you first; why are you dodging the question?

Wrtight of Center, Summers
1. I agree in general with Wright (NOT the Rev.)that religion is in, under, all around and permeating every topic, whether the speaker/writer knows it or not. That is because when we are discussing not mere tactics, but stratery, we are in the realm of the culture war, and at the basis of culture is cultus, cult, faith/religion. On the other hand, a broad spectrum of roughly similar strands can fit under the big tent.

2. Summers asks: What is conservativism? Who is a conservative? Again, i go to the root of the word: a conservative is one who wants to conserve, preserve, the good parts of human, Judaeo-Christian, Roman-Hellenic, and American culture, while purging the inessential, unhelpful weeds, such as racism and sexism, to name 2 off the top of my head. We conservatives DO want to throw out the bath water, after it has done its purpose, but we don't want to throw the baby out too.

Liberals don't seem to be able to discern between baby and bathwater, so they say 'let's throw out both, and start all over again.'

Summers2
Social Conservatives: these folks generally advocate for government intervention in order to uphold what is morally right, and promote virtue. Banning abortion, keeping pornography out of the public sector, supporting covenant marriage, supporting the death penalty, eliminating affirmative action, preventing the rise of cloning and genetic engineering are examples of what's on their list. Typically they're separable into 3 subtypes: religious (derive a moral sense from Christianity), secular (derive a moral sense from some form of secular reasoning), and reactionary (don't much care for social conservatism necessarily, but actively oppose social liberalism).

Mitt Would Blow The Doors
When speaking about the economy or taxes, Mitt would be fabulous. Light the fires, kick the tires, Romney would blow the doors right off. Anyone with the even basic economic knowledge (in the real world the average American lives in) would totally agree his ideas make sense and would actually work. Americans want to maintain their standard of living, and the people willing to work want to prosper in their pursuit of happiness. The Democrat ideology that success should be punished is nonsense. Watch them try to smear Mitt because he's rich; like that's a crime for everyone, except THEM. Mitt would be fabulous. People like the way Mitt talks about how great America is; that's not something you'll hear on the Democrat or liberal side. Most Americans love hearing our President bragging about our country, how special we are, how truly blessed we are as a nation, how exceptional we are. Liberals brag only about themselves.

Stoic Patriot
I thank you and appreciate your taking the time and effort to address my question. My point is, actually, that terms are thrown out with such a broad sweep that they, the terms, are becoming pointless as they are subject to so many interpretations. Therefore, I frequently ask each poster what they mean when they set forth such a term.

I apologize, I am trying to watch the Fox Special on 'honor killings' while I am in the middle of this thread.

Summers3
Economic Conservatives: these folks generally advocate for less government regulation and oversight of markets, and less government confiscation of the resources of private citizens (e.g. eminent domain). They are separable into 2 subtypes: supply-siders (those who believe tax cuts stimulate growth and raise revenues), and fiscal conservatives (those whose primary concern is balancing the budget).

Libertarians: these folks want no government regulation or oversight with the exception of minimal law enforcement, and want typically complete liberty. Generally separable into 2 subtypes: classical (their reasoning is attributable to long-standing principles typically derivative from the 1800s, a la Ron Paul), and neolibertarian (often greatly intersect with the economic branch, and derive their reasoning from drawing analogies between behavior and the free market).

There is also to some extent a "structuralist" branch of Conservatism, which stresses Federalism (laying responsibility at the feet of local rather than national government), but there's no particular branch which champions it. These distinctions aren't hard-set, and many conservatives usually fit into 2 or 3 of the 4 camps, but I've yet to see anyone actually fit into all 4, mostly because their principles are often in direct conflict.

Does not matter
who McCain's VP is. He is going to crash and burn worse than Dole. In fact, this will be the worst Republican loss in history, because there already is a very popular Democrat. There is no reason for two Democrats.

Then, McCain can maveric himself right out of town.

One of the Very Best
Robert Novak has recently become a hero--to me.

I've come 'round to his way a thinkin.

A Roman Catholic who has been appearing on Mother Angelica's (another hero, and a saint to boot) cable TV, Eternal Word Television Nework, Novak is a strong America-First "partisan," if you will, in the camp, I'll put it--of Patrick J. Buchanan and Dr. Michael Scheuer (see their recent books)...

Stoic Patriot
I am coming back and reading your response. You have given me well-considered information, which I appreciate. I will be reading it several times to fully absord some of the finer points you make so well.

Thank you.

wally
Wright had made a claim that Romney had *never* supported the unrestricted killing of babies. If that makes me not a friend, so be it, because I believe in telling the truth, and if a false claim like that is made, it deserves to be refuted. Facts are stubborn things.

Now whether or not we should keep Mitt's feet to the fire over the matter now that he's changed his position on the issue of abortion is a different question. I refuted Wright on the matter of fact, not principle, which comes to a matter of judgment.

If part of Romney's religion is that everyone has the right to choose, even if they make bad choices, then I would be forced to oppose Romney because you don't have an unrestricted right to choose. You must respect the rights of others, and in claiming there's a *right* to choose, that implicitly admits such a restriction. To find abortion conscionable or acceptable then is a violation of that principle. There can be no choice unless one is first alive. Life is a prerequisite, and hence a greater right.

My stance on Romney is one of guarded neutrality. I am always hopeful and eager to bring in a convert to the pro-life position, but social conservatives have been lied to so many times before I do very reluctantly, and with the deepest suspicion. What I resent, however, is when Romney supporters pretend he has no past of being a liberal, and try to make him out to be consistently conservative for the entirety of his life. Claim he's a recent convert if you wish, but do not deny the past.

wally
Wright had made a claim that Romney had *never* supported the unrestricted killing of babies. If that makes me not a friend, so be it, because I believe in telling the truth, and if a false claim like that is made, it deserves to be refuted. Facts are stubborn things.

Now whether or not we should keep Mitt's feet to the fire over the matter now that he's changed his position on the issue of abortion is a different question. I refuted Wright on the matter of fact, not principle, which comes to a matter of judgment.

If part of Romney's religion is that everyone has the right to choose, even if they make bad choices, then I would be forced to oppose Romney because you don't have an unrestricted right to choose. You must respect the rights of others, and in claiming there's a *right* to choose, that implicitly admits such a restriction. To find abortion conscionable or acceptable then is a violation of that principle. There can be no choice unless one is first alive. Life is a prerequisite, and hence a greater right.

My stance on Romney is one of guarded neutrality. I am always hopeful and eager to bring in a convert to the pro-life position, but social conservatives have been lied to so many times before I do very reluctantly, and with the deepest suspicion. What I resent, however, is when Romney supporters pretend he has no past of being a liberal, and try to make him out to be consistently conservative for the entirety of his life. Claim he's a recent convert if you wish, but do not deny the past.

Regarding Mitt's health plan...
Romney could see that the anti-capitalist leftists would try to take over health care by implementing a one-payer government run monopoly.

He tried to block their plans by implementing a market-based approach. It may have been imperfect, but hey, like protecting our borders. Let's get a wall up as quickly as we can and worry about perfecting it later.

There are way too many purists on this board and in the conservative movement. They always attack plans and candidates if they don't meet their ideals.

Dem Libs are happy to wage their battles one piece at a time.

Brickhouse is right!
Romney was the only GOP guy who always talked about how great America is and how we can do even better! He's positive and go-to kind of man. Folks, don't resent his success, he's just exactly what we need right now - Mr. Fix-it! Not someone like Huck who was always trying to feel everyone's pain. We don't need another Carter or Clinton!

Romney brings MI, where Mac is only a couple points down. He helps in other toss-ups too like CO and NV. He could give Obama a fight in states like MASS, OR, WA, MN, WI and CA. No other person brings as much electoral help.

Romney is squeaky clean and has been working his tail off for Mac - at Mac's request. You can't rattle him in an interview or debate - he's always right on target. He doesn't shoot off his mouth and make jokes about more sex with his wife (Pawlenty) or about assassination Obama (Huck). He's can attack Obama with a smile. The base wants Romney because he was the most conservative candidate available during the primary - he's winning all of the internet polls by wide margins.

Sorry, but it looks like it is basically Huck supporters who are opposed to Romney, and sadly many of them are just plain anti-Mormon. They have a choice to make and it is this: Do you hate Romney/Mormons more than you love your country? Because the alternative is Obama, make no mistake about it. Mac is likely to choose Romney. Ya'll might start realizing that Romney is Mac's best shot.

StoicPat: re: social conservatism
Where i would differ with you on that answer is that most conservatives that i know, social, anti-social, or whatever, IF they want government to intervene on any of the issues you listed, and that's a rebuttable if, then they want it to be the lowest level of government which can best handle the matter. this is called the principle of subsidiarity, or federalism.

Thus, the feds should not get involved if the state can handle it, no state where the city/town can address it, no town when the family can deal with it.

So take abortion for example. No conservative worth his or her salt wants the feds involved with this; that is precisely the problem, they interjected themselves into it in 1973, Roe v. Wade. Return it to the states; bring back federalism. So i'm sure this disgusting commonwealth I inhabit, along with CA, NY, DC, NJ, CT, IL,RI and maybe other portions of Bluestateamerica would permit it; fine, knock yourself out.

Pornography: best dealt with by mom and dad, teaching kids right from wrong. But some level of government has to deal with internet/kiddie porn, which pierces state (and international) boundaries in a nanosecond.

PC
I am a Huckabee-supporter through-and-through, although I must caution against several things you say.

1.) Romney may bring in MI. I'd still like to see that polling from Ayres-McHenry. Has it still not been released? Because common-sense says that while his dad may have been governor, he was a kid at the time (indicating a lack of voter memory), and Romney's in his 60's now, meaning few people are going to remember that, and more people are going to take exception with him on free trade and being another Wall Street elite. That's my caution in regards to MI.

2. I think any claim of Romney helping in MA, OR, WA, or CA are bogus. They are not going to be competitive states come the general election, with or without Romney. NJ, however, may be a blue state in play. I could possibly see him helping in MN, WI, CO, NV, and shoring up support in ND, SD, and MT.

3. Mr. Fix-It is a rather interesting term given that he was also governor during the Big Dig, which has become a fiscal fiasco for MA.

4. Internet polls are meaningless. The national vote is not an internet vote, and the internet is not a representative sample.

5. If the base wanted Romney so much, that doesn't square with why McCain beat him unless you count Huck supporters as part of the base -- a majority of whose second choice was McCain rather than Romney. The base is typically regarded as the evangelical South -- those again are by and large Huck supporters.

Stoic Patriot
Your response to wally is remarkably clear and precisely stated. I totally agree with your assessment. Just as the post following yours excuses away a problematic Romney position, I find it disingenuous of posters to make broad brush strokes to dismiss anyone who questions Romney's past positions and actions as being either untrue or bigoted. Please note that I requested that elvis state what he claims to be false against Romney in this thread. He disappears and will appear only to make the same overbroad and general dismissals of all others who do not agree with his adoration of Romney.

Romney is a mortal man. He is not a god. He never will be. Mortal men fail, even the best of them. I am growing increasingly suspicious of the adulation that ignores the record. I am growing increasingly resentful of the gross fabrications thown out to damn the others who are mentioned as being considered for the VP position. The method to the madness has ever been to falsely portray others while falsely portraying Romney by ignoring the truth of the man's record. I do not mind being corrected, as, even at my age, one is never too old to learn. However, I fail to see the value in a lie to make another appear better.

As to Mr.B, I will be off-line for a while; but, as you are so generous with your explanation of Romney's abysmal healthcare plan (please see my earlier post on the failure), please explain how what Romney has foisted off on Massachusetts differs from what Obama proposes. I trust you have enough knowledge of the matter to give specifics.

PC
You may or may not live in Oregon. However, y'all means 'you all'. It's Southern. It is not spelled 'ya'll'.

I have read your posts long enough to know your Mormon 'pride' and dislike for 'evangelicals', whomever you define them as being. There are times when I have wondered if your definition of 'evangelicals' consists of everyone who questions Romney. Your utter disdain for Mike Huckabee is only exceeded by your utter contempt for truth and common sense.

Have a pleasant evening.


Joseph
As I said towards the end of my posts, most folks fit into 2 or 3 camps of Conservatism. You might be right that the majority of social conservatives follow the "structuralist" branch, that operates as a sort of undercurrent between the branches.

Given what I observe from my travels, I'd have to say I see folks who regard themselves as social conservatives first tending to favor more of a national ban against abortion as it being a violation of human rights, and that such protection must extend to all unborn children, not just those falling on one side or another of a state boundary. Folks who fit into one of the other camps first, and then social conservatism secondarily or tertiarily tend to go more for the states-rights approach from what I can see. Again, there's no strictly-defined separation (which is really what makes categorizing and defining conservatism so painful -- I haven't even taken a stab at articulating the paleocon branch, which is what you might be more after).

Summers and PC
Summers, I'm happy to hear you're enjoying my posts. If there's anything that I say which seems unclear to you or you'd like me to offer thoughts on, don't hesitate. From what I've seen of your postings, you seem to be a pretty level-headed guy.

PC, here are the states I view as being competitive, and outside shots:

Competitive:
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Florida
Ohio
Michigan
North Dakota
South Dakota
Montana
Nevada
Colorado

Outside Shots (likely to go blue):
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New Mexico
Iowa
Pennsylvania
New Jersey

Outside Shots (likely to stay red):
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Virginia
North Carolina
Missouri

All-in-all, we are going to be playing a whole lot of defense this election, with a candidate who's been written off and ignored by the media. In terms of momentum and psychology, that's devastating. I honestly don't see how we win this election season, but if we do, it may go down as the greatest presidential political upset of all time.

Two states I forgot
Put as likely to go blue Minnesota, and competitive as New Hampshire. I don't know how I missed those.

Romney and conservative purists
re:
"Regarding Mitt's health plan...
Romney could see that the anti-capitalist leftists would try to take over health care by implementing a one-payer government run monopoly.

He tried to block their plans by implementing a market-based approach. It may have been imperfect, but hey, like protecting our borders. Let's get a wall up as quickly as we can and worry about perfecting it later.

There are way too many purists on this board and in the conservative movement. They always attack plans and candidates if they don't meet their ideals."
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Agree with a couple of points here... Romney had the misfortune to live in Mass., so it was hard to govern as a conservative. He got contorted like a pretzel when he ran for POTUS. i still don't know where his heart is.

It is also true that there are too many purists-- actually on both ends of the spectrum. The religious right would like to dictate morality that many of us (fiscal, America First, and limited govt. conservatives) simply do not wish to have prescribed to us by someone's perception of morality.

Stoic Patriot: re BigDig
Romney came in on the last couple of years of this biggest pork barrell project in US history, maybe of the world (except maybe the pyramids, and at least they are now a tourist attraction.)

Big Dig was originally a demoncrat scam, concocted by Mike Dukakis, Ted Kennedy, and Tip O'Neill, with the connivance of George Mitchell, one of income re-distribution, from the other 49 states to our cesspool. Another example of fed unwarranted intrusion.

Only things fed gov't should be involved in is defense, foreign policy, and, er, ah, maybe regulating the currency.

Other than that, conservatives want to conserve the original intent of the founders, the constitution as amended, and the state constitutions. None of those docs intended gay marriage, abortion, etc., so those are not 'values' that we should conserve.

all that being said, on a pragmatic, state by state basis, and as much as i like Romney, McCain needs a miracle, and Mitt's not it. He will only help mccain to lose a bit more gracefully. As much as i've been kidding about Sarah Palin for VP, I don't think if the Lord himself were the gopVP nominee it would help. I think the only thing to hope for is a huge Obomination blunder, but he's almost as slick as Willy

Right To Choose
Stoic Patriot: Did I fail to mention that God gave us the freedom to establish governments and enact laws setting boundaries for protecting society and the welfare of his children. Your freedom to choose is essential to God's Plan of Happiness and Mitt Romney understands that principle, while many, such as you, struggle with the concept.
The inconsistant laws we live under in various states show the wide degree of ignorance regarding true principles.
There has never been an unrestricted right to choose. Every choice has a consequence and we will be held accountable for our choices.
Now, try a little harder to understand how a governor who has sworn to uphold the laws of the people whom he governs might be against something and still be obligated to see that the law is enforced, while he trys to use his influence to get the law changed. When a bill came to Governor Romney that would have made law that allowed taking an unborn child's life, he ALWAYS came down on the side of life.
I know that this is not that hard to figure out, but as long as many posters want to continue the charade that it is all so confusing, then know this-- you know in your heart I am telling the truth.

Elvis, I had my morning coffee
and I am awake enough to look beyond dollar bills to their SOURCE. Romney is clearly the choice of Wall Street, the Republican establishment, and big business - MONEY. Americans have had enough of record profits for oil and gas companies, drug companies, etc. on the backs of the average citizen. They have seen enough of sending jobs overseas and depleting our manufacturing base so that jobs are lost and our national security is threatened. Enough of allowing our defense secrets to be carelessly shared with Communist China as Romney's joint ventures did just to make a buck. Enough of saying one thing and doing another or taking positions to be politically correct - Enough of the status quo. Romney's perfectly manicured shell cannot hide his motivations. Dollar bills did not win Romney the primary, because people saw beyond them, and they will in November as well.

Romney a good choice
Being a resident of Florida I think Romney would help McCain in this state. Romney would have beat McCain here if Huckabee had not been in the race in the primaries and Huckabee would have won if Romney was not running. Florida is still a pretty conservative state and as for as all the blogs about southern baptist not voting for a mormon is off base I am southern baptist (freewill) and I voted for him and I know a lot of others that did. I never heard a good explanation from Huckabee as to why all the computer hard drives were destroyed just before he left the Governor's office in Arkansas. Was there something to hide? Anyone on McCain's ticket will get my vote considering the alternative. I hope anyone considering sitting out the election will reconsider. USAF (Ret)

romneys appeal
is overated ,he'll drop in michigan as soon as voters get a good look at him.remember michigan is a highly unionized state,his appeal to most of those voters will be marginal, they will not support an elitest. he is the symbol of corporate outsourcing. we also need to keep in mind that he spent an outragous amount of money to finish third. mcain needs someone to broaden his appeal not narrow it .

summers and hsmith
Let's call this little debate a friendly debate
but Iam a little tired of people who come accross like they are so informed....about Mitt Romney and they get their stuff from reported
half trues!
Now ..let's begin:
SUMMERS: I didn't realize you had asked me anything! I am a very busy and don't slouch around and compute all day long! But in my opinion you made it sound like I just flung generalities and cut out(running away)which fits your attitude from all of the blogs you have sent! I have researched everything you have mentioned...but it was months ago and have to go back ...but you will have to refreshen my
mind..as to the points you had in mind..and bro. I will get back to you...but it will not change your mind.... MAN CONVINCED AGAINST HIS WILL IS OF THE SAME OPINION STILL!
HSMITH: DURN IT I GOTTA GO...CATCH YA LATER
ON YOUR ABSURD STATEMENT ABOUT DEFENSE SECRETS
TO CHINA....DO TOY COMPANIES HAVE DEFENSE SECRETS? GIMME A BREAK...MORE COMING..TOMORROW!
GOOD NIGHT TO BOTH OF YOU
ELVIS

cimmarone
Always glad to see you here.

Remember or review the many times Romney promised Michiganders to rebuild the state as it was, i.e. with regard to the automotive industry. At the time there were questions as to how much he would be pledging to spend in that one state to court the votes.

As of February 5th, here is the breakdown on how much three candidates spent per delegate:

Mike Huckabee - $27,000
John McCain - $54,000
Mitt Romney - $306,000*
*This number should actually be higher as the time at which these numbers were computed by Fox and CNN, the Romney campaign had only turned in spending through 31 Dec. 2007.

Now, who got the most bang for the buck?

Please also note that the daily tracking polls show McCain has risen to within one point of Obama as of today. Obama is losing momentum, while McCain's low-key campaigning is paying off. That may not obtain forever; but, Obama should have more to show for the money he has and the media adoration he enjoys.

elvis
Don't be so arrogantly self-serving as to think I sit on TH threads all day long and do nothing else. Your grandiosity far exceeds the lack of facts you give, if that is possible.

elvis
And, bro, man without a discerning mind and soul will believe anything.

elvis
Hey, bro, don't mind waiting for you to research facts. Challenge me with facts if you think I am wrong because I will do the same when you are.

Illegal aliens - 800 lb gorilla
Mr. McCain's problem is his love for illegal aliens. He should have rebuked "The Race" (la raza) instead of pandering to them.

Here are some places where you can put your support and your money:

Study how the immigration “bubble” harms the USA:
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/

For scholarly study that advocates sound immigration policy.
see the Center for Immigration Studies:
http://www.cis.org/

One easy way to reverse the harm inflicted by the immigration bubble
is to adopt English as our official language:
http://www.us-english.org/


Wright of Center
The 'charade' you call 'all so confusing' is the same thing as facts, those stubborn things.

'The inconsistent laws we live under in various states show the wide degree of ignorance regarding true principles.' Care to elaborate on that to which you refer? Which laws are inconsistent? Which states? Who judges 'ignorance'? To what principles are you referring? This is not a theocracy. Therefore, I will assume you speak of founding principles.

Valiant for Truth
Bingo! I subscribe to numbersusa.

You might be interested in http://www.usillegalaliens.com. It is very factual and is broken down into sections so that you can peruse it by what interests you most. I think you will appreciate it. If you do, pass it on.

romneys michigan
legacy, was'nt mitts daddy head of american motors? anybody remember the gremlin? (waynes world) don't think american motors is with us anymore.

cimmarone
Never fear, Romney promised to bring it all back.

George Romney was head of American Motors.

After George Romney's death, his wife Jeanette ran for Senate. She was pro-choice. She lost.

Ya'll need to QUIT ...
... carping on Mitt Romney. He GUARANTEES John McCain a LOSS! OsiSpeaks.com

Re: Romney a good choice
#153 carman wrote:

Subject: Romney a good choice
Being a resident of Florida I think Romney would help McCain in this state. Romney would have beat McCain here if Huckabee had not been in the race in the primaries and Huckabee would have won if Romney was not running. Florida is still a pretty conservative state and as for as all the blogs about southern baptist not voting for a mormon is off base I am southern baptist (freewill) and I voted for him and I know a lot of others that did. I never heard a good explanation from Huckabee as to why all the computer hard drives were destroyed just before he left the Governor's office in Arkansas. Was there something to hide? Anyone on McCain's ticket will get my vote considering the alternative. I hope anyone considering sitting out the election will reconsider. USAF (Ret)

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carman:
Great post! I completely agree with you regarding evangelicals voting for Romney. I am a Presbyterian who voted for Romney in the primary and my sister and her husband, both of whom are Baptists, also voted for Romney. Romney is extremely popular, and as someone else stated on this thread, he wins all the online polls, including the one associated with this story. Go Romney!!!

Hi David from Lewes
Pat Robertson lines his own pockets. He is a kook but is so much worse than just a kook. His son Gordon is just as dishonest, immoral and hypocritical as his daddy. They do not live what they preach. They defraud people whose faith is genuine. It hurts to see so many faithfuls duped by frauds like him and so many other televangelists. I am not a doubting Thomas or a hater, David. I was attacked by them for years and by Gordon's wh0re whose name is Gigi Lacey.

Aw Heck! Religion Again
Summers: Sorry I have to do this to you, but there is no other way for me to make myself clear to you. True religion, faith in the unseen, allowing the spirit of God to help you discern will help as we seek to understand eternal truths. It's all about what we do with the truths we have as they are revealed to our hearts.
I don't believe presenting facts to you has made any difference at all, because we approach the situation in different ways. Your way is the way of most people. Facts, facts that are presented as truth because polls and informed people have tallied up the half truths and opinions of others and offered them to you.
I too use facts to help me evaluate the man, but I would reccomend spiritual decernment be applied before a final judgement is made about Brother Romney's qualifications and driving motive to serve others. Is it really greed and all of the other partners of a sin filled life, or could it be that he really believes in our nation and wants to contribute to helping it remain strong?

Michigan Republicans?

The Michigan Republican Party has one thing going for it... Ignorance.

The 'Majority' of the State's voters live very conservative lifestyles. Yet, the Republicans remain the distant opposition Party here?

Obviously the leadership stinks. Voters see nothing more than a bunch of egotistical freshmen in monkey suits. Forever ignoring the working class with their message, focusing on only half the state, and preaching only to 'their' choir.

McCain will win Michigan with or without Romney. Simply because he is...

'Not Afraid of Challenging the Democrats on their Turf.'








Obama's religion vs any other loses...
Many of us don't care what religion Romney is. Look at his actions over time. The man is a practical problem-solver who clearly loves his country. Who in Washington knows how to get things done the way Romney does. Big picture: those of you who will sit on your duffs (or vote 3rd party) to "stand on principle" this fall will hand the presidency to Obama--the man without world borders and No. 1 citizen of the world!

wright of center
you are wrong about so much.i have a burning in my breast which allows me discern that joseph smith was a fraud, the book of mormon is a plagerized version of the king james bible and smiths delusions of grandeur which led him ,like many other cult leaders,into sexual deviance and polygamy. the fact that he took wives from their husbands ,14 year old girls as wives supports everything i've said .if the book of mormon is true why is there no dna evidence tieng native americans to the isrealites ? why is there no archeoligical evidence of any precolumbian civilazation as the book of mormon claims was here ? and why did romney with all his money, orginization,and heroic ability to be all to all people fall so miserably short in the primarys ? perhaps not enough people are falling for his inate phoniness .it's harfd to be genuine when your core beliefs are based on a fraud .

CPAC not Conservative

It might have been - once - but CPAC now is little more than a drunken orgy. Rich older guys hitting on cute coeds who think that sleeping with said rich older guys will advance their careers, lots of alcohol, lots of drugs and a general fun time for all.

Sure there are a few speakers of note, but CPAC has become what it is. And lots of conservatives are not going to CPAC because of the conditions *and* because conservatives, by nature, usually have other things they are doing in the first place.

Be very cautious of thinking that CPAC reflects conservative thought in America..

summers....now and later
NOW: ARE YOU SURE OF GEO. ROMNEY'S WIFE NAME?!
(OR AT LEAST THE NAME SHE USED MORE COMMONLY!)
GIVE UP YOUR OBSESSION OF THE ROMNEYS..BEFORE
IT BURNS YOUR BRAIN TO ASHES! Just a bit of
friendly advice! smile! Or maybe it is already there ??? Just a question!

Later: no time to get into the complete data on mitten...but I will get back w/you soon as possible.
P.S. as for my arrogance..."your opinion means little to me,and would make my friends laugh"
We are in no position to be judging each other,
because we don't know each other personally!
But it is revealing that you would judge that I was talking about you "laying on a couch" I was talking about me! I don't know your life and schedule...common sense should have kicked in here, Bro.! smile.
It may be a few days..before I get back w/you
but hang in there...it is probably going to be
a waste of my time..you are not going to change
your mind..and after months of research..Iam not going to either.But I made a commmitment..I will keep it...but it will be a while !
I will confess one thing..are you ready?
I purposely like to ruffle the feathers of the
anti-mittens turkeys like cinnamon(or whatever)
and hsmith, summers,etc. smile.
When it all comes down to it most of us want what is best for america..we don't obviously agree on individuals..but that is a God given right to think (free agency)! But I will tell you this...I know people who have met Mitt..and
they were not mormons...who say he is a very good person and it is amazing how such a false picture of him is painted !
I got tired of the same ol bull on townhall
so I unsubscribed..and no longer recieve it! But if my son forwards it then I may react to an article !?
I will try to get back w/you in the future I will keep my word(data) but if I present very good data on some of the stuff you talked about
earlier...what will you do?
TAKE CARE..
ELVIS

Pirate
Would CPAC seem different to you if Hukabee would have 'won' CPAC?

Romney was the more conservative of the two. He gleened more consrvative votes than Huckiabee. It also took Huckabee six full weeks more, to even come close in delegates. Oh, and I should add, he flipped and flopped on several issues during the Primary's. Sort of the arkansas wet finger in the air. Immirgration comes to the front of my mind.

Cimmiron
My first car WAS a gremlin. A bright orange one. I called it the 'great pumpkin'. I felt like a princess going to the ball whenever I drove it!

Today, that same car tyle is called a 'smart car'. Go figure.

McCain/Romney 08. The RIGHT choice.

queen wife of 7
i'll bet you did!!!!!!!! lol

elvis
think you've left building ,if you think romney can do anything but hurt mcain,you're nuts .he is percieved as a corporate, elitest who would outsource his own mamma's job over seas it would make him an extra buck. i personlly don't believe he would , he is probably a decent sort as corporate elitest go . the truth is he spent an ungodly amount of money in the primarys to wind up third .what makes anyone with a lick of comman sense think that he could manage to do any better.

Good Grief...Can we just focus !!
At 9-am ish... in Cottonmouth Az... one would assume the wannabee Potus.. would be bright -eyed and bushytailed.. ready to roll..ummm..
Are we going to hear about the Pres. Putin slight slip today..Its been almost 8 years..and the left still bring up the Mushariff ?? to President Bush. McCain should know a land mine when he sees it ..ya think ??
This is unrelated.. did the interview take place
in a ball room ? One could build a condo in that
space !! Maybe I need a new tv. .. did they look
like a pair of caution cones ?? Orange spackle!
High- deff is for the under 20 crowd..sorry !!
I dont think Fred Thompson would have been a good compliment to McCain ..lovely man..sort of
like Frosty the Snowman..resting .. without the magic hat .. then .. Happy Birthday !!..
Mitt Romney .. will bring the hat !!
The interview was on abc.



cinnamon...left the building
Before ELVIS did! smile.
Lookie cookie...why don't you go back in memory and review the primaries?!
Iowa: 3 of 5 voters said they voted Mikey ...
because he was a preacher...nuff said !
N. Hampshire: independents,etc. could vote
and they"iz" sorta a liberal bunch up there
just right for Juan Mc Mexico!
Fla./super Tuesday: juans team put out a big lie about Mitt being a "cut and run" advocate
which was proven to be totally false! And the Gov. of Fla. made it possible for cross over votes..just before the primary..you know that OPEN BORDERS GOV. down there! Super tuesday:
South- preachers day for mikey! I know what you are saying in a sense...but that was then this is now! As for the money..had to be done
on a national level..he was practically unknown
sooo lets look at the whole story,okay!?do you know how many votes Mitt would have been behind
Mc cain when he dropped out...if there had not been WINNER TAKE ALL BASIS?! About 10..that was published in more than one newspaper..!
And if Mitt would have been elected PREZ....
he was going to audit every dept. in DC and start cutting back..now, do you think that would
be popular among all those PORKERS in both parties up there in DC? Yeah, sure! You can bet
your BIPPY they were relieved when Mitt dropped out! Been fun...but I gotta gooooooo!
take care-elvis
As for me being nuts...of course! Why else
would I be talking to you!? smile.. gotta run--

elvis

Mitt Romney VP 08...
It's the logical choice. It's is also the only way that McCain can get the Conservatives on board, this election.

Duncan Hunter
Would make Ronald Reagan proud, but he makes too much sense in Bush's 'Merka. So, Mitt Romney, or else lose by 12 points.

A real businessman that made his own money. High energy level. Would trust him more than a lawyer, political scientist, or Empty Suit(guess who).

with little mitty haveing
haveing to spend 306,000.00 dollars per delagate just to come in third doe'nt lend any credibility to the romneyiacs claims ,i guess if no one else had run mitt would be the nominee. but to come in third to huckabee who spent 27000. per delagate and get beat by mcain who spent 54000 per delagate must be pretty embarrasing.to spend all that time and money and get spanked must be humiliating. i feel for all of you after reading these blogs i really really feel your pain.the truth is mitt did not cut it .mcain may still pick him for his check book but that will be the only reason . it's the only thing mittriod has going for him .

Final Conclusion...
and I think we all know this to be true-
Mitt Romney scares liberals to death, as they all proclaim that they hope he is the nominee and that the dems. will crush him. I believe the American voter's love for truth will prevent the liberal's boasts from happening in our nation. Romney is their worst nightmare and would be nothing but grief for them.
Republicans are so splintered that they allowed the democrats to choose their nominee for them. All of the candidates, EXCEPT FOR my personal hero- Mitt Romney, are somewhat flawed in their reasoning ability and lack the moral integrity to be a great leader.
I am not saying that they couldn't govern, but it would be at a level that repeats many of the pasts' mistakes and would be government by desperation and not by inspiration.
We need a true man of God at the helm of this nation NOW! If Romney can be of any use at all to McCain it might be to bring him to understand things that the founders knew and desired for us to come to know and live by.

romney is the libs favorite
because he is the weakest . they smell blood when they smell mitt theres his record in mass . less than stellar. not too mention he could'nt win the nomination with immensly more money ,negative attack adds , and a years head start . had romney been palatable to most republicans he would have won the nomination hands down . if that is'nt weak then what is?

Romney
Bottom line is Romney lost the nomination cause Huckabee, Thompson, and Romney divided it whereas Giuliani's implosion allowed McCain to grab the Moderates. Added in was all the Independents and Democrats helping give McCain momentum in NH and SC.
Romney is the only conservative remaining who can help McCain win a key state in Michigan and re-energize the conservative GOP base to pound the pavement getting the vote out for McCain.
I live in Massachusetts--Romney was excellent given he had a 141-19 Democrat House and 35-5 Democrat Senate Majority in to work against.

Bill

Cimmeron
Lets see.. we've been through your magic math already! But I'll say it again s l o w l y.

When mitt dropped out, he had just a few hundred thousand less votes thn McCain. Second place. It took huckles a full SIX WEEKS longer to get even near the delegate count.

But heck, come tomorrow, we'll be on TH saying how much you haate Mcain's ick for Romney. Word is that the pick will be made tomoorow. It could be Pawlenty. But it won't be Huck.

Your Dead Wrong
cimarrone: Romney's record in Mass. was wonderful. He did more good for the people there, considering the handicap he inherited, than any governor in the nation did as chief executive.
The negative ads by unions and people who believe that entitlement instead of hard work are to be rewarded is part of Mass.' problems.
That state has been ran by unprincipled leaders for so long that the citizens don't even know how far off course they are and what they are doing to themselves.
As far as how much Romney spent in his quest for the nomination, it just proves to me his dedication to try and right the course the nation is traveling, as it continues to turn to unprincipled leaders for direction.
I strongly object to those who contend that Romney made his money by destroying the jobs of working Americans.
We all know - that includes you, cimarrone and friends - that he made his fortune by turning around failing companies and making them successful.
No company is required to provide jobs just so a person has money. All companies have to turn a profit in order to CREATE jobs.
The money that Mitt spent in his quest has nothing to do with his talents and abilities to perform the job. As long as we, Mormons, are labeled a fringe group or cult by the masses it is guaranteed that it will be a long uphill climb, requiring investing a huge amount of capital to gain exposure and educate people. This investment of time and capital was all weighed and discussed by his entire family. They felt it was a good decision for them to offer Mitt as a candidate. When they realized that Mitt wasn't going to be able to win the nomination he withdrew and offered his support to help elect the party's nominee.
Mitt is far from weak. He is by far the best qualified of the candidates and also the most honorable and principled among them.

McCain pick a VP that gets you Votes!
Really the VP is a hollow position. They do some, but in the end you can have Big Bird as the VP and it won't matter much. Therefore McCain should pick the VP that will get a voting block excited for him and eventually get votes for him. Romney (who I voted for in the primaries) appeals to conservatives, they will vote from him either way. McCain's best bet is to go with a conservative Mexican-American. Yes there aren't too many Congressman Mexican-American Republicans these. However there was one who was just voted out of office in TX - Henry Bonilla. He is conservative and against amnesty, illegal immigration and for the border fence. He was a victim of the poor war effort at the time (it hit a lot of Republicans in the last election). Getting a Latino as the VO wull get more Latinos to vote Republican I guarantee it!

queenmumof7....smile
Just loved yo' last "letter" to "cinnamon", ...
maybe yor horrable spellling gott throogh too hem? I think that horrible heet in @#$%# N.
Mexico(he**)has got to him? He has been drinking a lot of that thistle juice from those cactus !!
elvis





Wrong again, Cinnie
Larry Craig is NOT LDS! ha ha ha. He's Lutheran, I think. but NOT LDS!! And my 'church' did nto give you him. He got elected all by his lonesome. One thing a good member of our church did do recently is decline to attend the DNC Obamamania love fest in Denver. Although Democrate, he feels it's a waste of his time. I agree. And I'm glad he's not going.

I guess fancy facts you make up sound a lot better than real facts. Oh, and did I mention, it was Mitts money to spend? AND he forgave the debt to his campaign? Can your guy (any guy) do that? Nope.

Careful With Your Lies
and accusations there Cimarrone. Didn't you read one of my earlier posts where I talked about accountability? I think your treading on thin ice. Mormons don't like blantant lying about plain facts but there is someone else that not only doesn't like it, he will judge you in the same manner that you judge.
Larry Craig is not a member of the Lord's church, and never has been.
Warren Jeffs is not a member of the Lord's church, and never has been.
Joseph Smith Jr. was and is a Prophet of God.
His work continues to spread the gospel of salvation across the earth. You are free to call him anything you like, but remember my little gospel hint about judging others.
There are some church members who subscribe to the values of the democrat party, and some good men have served under their banner, but a larger percentage of LDS are conservative republicans.

zippie
Warren Jeffs is no more LDS than David Duke is Southern Baptist. (Ok, he could be sothern baptist, after all, until mid 80's they had black/white separate congreations, but I digress). Your 'facts' are pretty loose. What if Romney is the veep nom? Will you self implode? I'm just waiting for the day and a half feedeing frenezy from the really ignorant wing of the GOP. Thankfully, they are few and far between.

missed the point
warren jeffs is the fundelmentalists branch of your church they follow the original teachings of joe smith as lies whats not true! jo smith did not have mutiple wives, some taken from their husbands and 2 wives that were 14 years old? that he did not threaten some of the women with hell if they would not leave their husbands and sleep with him? these are undisputable historical facts verified by other mormons (an insiders view of mormon origins grant h palmer) no man knows my history fawn brodie )you shouild step back and take a critical look at the cult you belong to. your own scholars regard the book of mormon as a plagerized fabrication ,joseph smith is an obvious fraud who preyed on the women of his followers for his own personel depravity . prove otherwise

Acutally Cimmie
With about 2 seconds of research, you would learn that Warren Jeffs does not follow the original teaching of Joseph Smith. The ONLY prophet today is not jeffs, but is Thomas S. Monson. The 'original' teachings is what we, the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints follow. Not Jeff's.
So, no matter what you think you know, you don't know Jack.

Another "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy"
Here's an effective super-secret tactic to use in fighting the great threat of socialism in America and Obama as the POTUS: THE TRUTH.

Lots of people aren't political junkies, and they simply don't KNOW the truth about Obama. The media tells them how popular Obama is, how McCain has no juice, and they believe it.

Every day between now and November 4th, we need to reach out to all the members of our families, especially the young adults who might be swept up with all the Obamamania they see with their peers. Talk to your friends, your neighbors, your coworkers, the people on the bus with you (trying to save $$$ on gas), any and everyone you come across. We need people to be as INFORMED as possible by November, and we need to come out in record numbers to be CERTAIN the electoral college fully understands "the will of the people." We can't chance this one folks. This particular election will determine the life of America itself; will what our founders built be destroyed, or will we be able to fight off the home-grown socialists and communists? Like I said, we need record numbers.

My dead
cat would be a better president than the communist BHO. Nothing would get done, true, but at least we would still have a country. Yes the american people- i can speak for all of you right- would rather have a muslim communist rather than a mormon in the white house. Not any american i know.

whats the difference
a dead cat could pull more votes than romney.he had his chance and could not get the job done

Poor cimarrone
How do you explain that new polls show Romney as VP handing MI to Mac? How do you explain that Romney is winning all the internet polls by huge margins? How do you explain talk radio for Romney? CPAC? The list goes on, Romney is by far the most popular conservative right now.

The truth is that you pal Huck was the one who could not get the job done and has no political future. You like to make fun of Romney for spending his own money and wonder if it was worth it. I think it was because he's sitting pretty for VP and if not that, 2012.

cimmarrone- you're vile comments about the LDS church, Joseph Smith and more are lies and everyone knows it. You and Eugene are in the same pathetic state of mind. Anyone who lies to make their argument, doesn't have one.

GOP leaving Bigot Brigade behind
We don't need them, Mac doesn't need them. I hope he picks Romney and shows the agents of intolerance that they can all go suck eggs. They are the equivalent of David Duke and should be kicked to the curb until they are ready to be team players for the good of the country.


how
How is that pedistrian you hit the other week novak? I wonder if he thinks you have good values. You wanker

Romney is a great choice.
Unlike McCain he can talk with enthusiasm and excitement. McCain's campaign needs some spirit. Poor McCain with his Senate demeanor will not excite anyone.

Besides, if McCain/Romney is elected I would think Romney would be the '12 candidate. That could be very good for America.

What we need to do now is dump the dead weight in congress and get some fresh blood into that diseased organ.