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Saturday, July 19, 2008
Robert Novak :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama's CEOs
by Robert Novak
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WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Sen. Barack Obama has been meeting secretly with heavy industry CEOs in Washington to discuss issues that he would face as president.

On the campaign trail, Obama has been highly critical of corporate executives and promised them nothing but tougher regulation and higher taxes. But the unannounced, small evening sessions with them since he clinched the Democratic nomination have been non-confrontational and cordial.

Obama scheduled the meetings without any hopes of winning the captains of industry over from Sen. John McCain, but to show them they would be able to do business with him in the White House and that the president's door would be open to the corporate leaders. Their consensus was that he has largely succeeded in that purpose.

MCCAIN AND GRAMM

After Sen. John McCain publicly repudiated his close friend and adviser Phil Gramm's comments about a "nation of whiners" and a "mental recession," the two old political comrades patched up their relationship.

Gramm apologized to McCain for his remarks that gave Democrats an opening against the Republican presidential candidate and provided several days of ammunition for blogs, cable television and radio talk shows. McCain told Gramm not to worry about the expected pitfalls of a campaign surrogate. Gramm will continue as an adviser and surrogate.

Gramm remained a steadfast supporter last year when it appeared that McCain's campaign had collapsed. McCain was a loyal backer of Gramm's failed 1988 campaign for president and did not leave until the candidate dropped out of the race.

DUMPING GRASSLEY

Evangelicals and their allies, dominating last weekend's Iowa Republican state convention, dumped their critic, Sen. Chuck Grassley, from the state's delegation to the national convention in St. Paul, Minn. The five-term senator is Iowa's senior Republican elected official.

Grassley has aroused the ire of Christian conservatives by launching a Senate Finance Committee investigation of six televangelists for alleged lavish spending. Leading conservatives, headed by Paul Weyrich and Ken Blackwell, have charged Grassley with violating the First Amendment religious freedom guarantee.

The 74-year-old Grassley once was considered the leader of the Iowa Republican Party's conservative wing but has been at odds with increasingly influential evangelical elements in the party.

CARRYING GEORGIA

Republican strategists now are privately conceding that the GOP could lose Georgia's 15 presidential electors for the first time since 1992 because of Bob Barr's ballot position as the Libertarian Party presidential candidate.

The most recent Georgia survey by the polling firm InsiderAdvantage, conducted July 2, shows 46 percent for Sen. John McCain, 44 percent for Sen. Barack Obama and 4 percent for Barr. George W. Bush, who carried all 11 states of the old Confederacy in both 2000 and 2004, had 58 percent of Georgia's vote in the last election.

Third party presidential candidates almost always run more poorly in the actual election than their showing in the polls, but Barr as a former Republican congressman from Georgia might sustain support in his home state. He already has slipped a little in Georgia, based on his 5.6 percent standing in the June 19 InsiderAdvantage poll, when McCain had a lead of 1.6 percentage points.

REID VS. COBURN

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is threatening to hold the Senate in session over the weekend of July 25 to consider spending bills held up by the objection of Republican Sen. Tom Coburn instead of being set loose early for the election campaign, as Reid has promised.

Reid would bundle together anywhere from 40 to 80 bills objected to by Coburn. Such a "Coburn omnibus bill" on the floor might provoke an extended debate for several days.

A footnote: Although Reid has told reporters that there is no use trying to talk to Coburn, they have been negotiating with each other in an effort to reach a unanimous consent agreement.

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mccains secret meetings
Senator Mccain has NOT been meeting secretly with with heavy industry CEO s in washington to discuss isues that he would face as president ,.. what? doesnt he care about heavy industry?

Obama's meetings
It's just that McCain isn't an anti-business socialist and the heavy industry CEOs know it.

Bro O is a No Go
What CEO would be confrentational with a man who might be POTUS? Half the mans employees may be for Bro O.

Off subject but Bob look at Gore and his coming out one the wind channel thru the midwest. It just happened that a rich man from Texas just upstaged Gore on that same subject, so Gore gets the Bully Pulpit while Pickens must pay. Pretty damned chicken s*** of Gore. Nothing new about him though. He inveted the wind.
Breaking wind that is.

Don Jones

Obama Tries to Calm Their Fears
"Sen. Barack Obama has been meeting secretly with heavy industry CEOs in Washington to discuss issues that he would face as president."

Yeah, Obama wants to reassure them that he won't shipwreck their industry. He'll shipwreck the evil industries who are "windfall" profiteering, but not them. They aren't going to buy what Obama is selling.



Pulling the Strings
Obama the Pinocchio of American politics.

PHIL GRAMM IS WHINING NOW !! HA HA
Thursday, July 17, 2008
Phil Gramm and UBS WARBURG BANK

Citing business practices that allow wealthy Americans to commit tax evasion by manipulating bank secrecy laws, Senator Carl Levin (D-MI) today called for the revocation of the banking license of Swiss bank UBS.

"I don't think that any bank that goes to the extent that UBS has gone through to avoid doing what their agreements with the United States require them to do, should be allowed to continue to do business unless they clean up their act," Levin said.

UBS's role in arranging "undeclared" accounts for an estimated 19,000 US citizens was one focus of a hearing by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, chaired by Levin today.

Levin said UBS practices resulted in its U.S. clients maintaining undeclared Swiss accounts that collectively held "$18 billion dollars in assets that have been kept secret from the the IRS."

McCain Loses The General.
Are conservatives going to be excited about McCain? You, know the guy who fought them and betrayed them? No, and without that excitement McCain loses big.

Its pretty cut and dry. Go check out state polls and do the math. Or check out my blog.

McCain will be liberal on judges too, so don't buy into that lie.

The only choice in 2008 for conservatives is to focus on congress. If they get some support they might have a chance. And its worth a shot unlike McCain.

No-win situation
For the Right (sic) Obama can do no right (hey, poetry :-).
If her were not to meet business leaders to discuss issues before the election he would criticized as non-professional and stubborn. He meets them and he gets called secretive and flip-floppy.

The Right just makes itself look petty and sulky (again).

DID OBAMA "TELL THEM" ??
Questions

Did Obaqma tell the CEO's that he planned to tax them out of business, regulate their incomes, stock option plans, etc.

DID obama tell those CEO's of those evil oil companies that he plans to CONFISCATE out Oil companies like Hugo chavez did ?

DID Obama tell the CEO's that he plans to RATION "energy use" ?

Or is this one of his "CHANGES" where he changes his story, his policies, his calculated lies about his calculated lies?

OH GIGGLE
McCain as a Senator has met with more CEO's in one month than Obama has met with in his
lifetime:

Obama has spent his lifetime as a radical activist. Anti Corporate America.
He plans to regulate their incomes, stock option plans, and earnings.

He plans to tax them out of business:


Obamessiah the Trojan Horse
President Empty Suit Obamessiah is secretly meeting with CEOs to assure them that Ms. Perfect Teeth Pelosi and Captain Negative Reed aren't going to tax them into oblivion. I am sure they believe him.

Yea, right.

Obama and The CEO's.
Let Barack Hussein Obama meet with anyone he deems appropriate. he met with many others ,important to him.

He met with Lezko,the crooked realtor,Ayers,the bomber,Wright,the anti-American,anti-white pretend pastor and many other crooks.


He has met with many dubious folks,so why not try to shed some of his crud by meeting with someone with some importance?

As for Bob Barr. I would hope Georgians would not be dumb enough to vote for Bob Barr. But who knows? They voted for Jimmy Carter and several other duds,I won't mention.

If Bob Barr really wanted to do the right thing,he would start building his party for a real challenge in 2012,after Mccain's four year reign.

He did not win in his own district and I think he is furious with the Republican Party. How better to get his revenge than to help put Obama in office?

If his paltry showing in November is just enough to help give Ga. to Obama,his political future will end right then and there.

Rowly
Maybe you can enlighten me on this. I listen to Sean Vannity ranting about the unrepentant bomber
Ayers. Explain to me why Ayers is not in jail?
If he had bombed the Pentagon and the Capitol did Obama meet with him in jail? If Ayers is such a terrorist why is he living free?

wrightswrong52
Money. Lawyers. Money buys good lawyers. The combination has many crooks walking the streets every day.

Maybe you can enlighten me on this. Why is a murderer like O.J.Simpson not in prison? Is there any doubt in any rational person's mind that he is guilty?

You already know the rap sheet on Ayers. You only want to engage in a back and forth that will be a chance for you to repeat the left-wing talking points. I won't accomodate you in that.

Rowly
I think it was answered in the previous post...money and lawyers. An attorney once told me, after I lambasted a judge who had ruled against a friend of mine and asked where was the justice in the decision, justice is like having lunch in a cafeteria...you can put on your tray just as much as you can afford.

Not only Ayers, there are as many unprosecuted cops running around free from their abuses/violations. The system is set up for those and by those who compete within its confines...and once in a while some poor smuck like you or me get caught up in it and have to pay large amounts of money to those mentioned above.

Obama is catching on fast. McCain is an old pro. Before the year is out Obama will have done all the things an old pro needs to be elected, primarily behind the scenes so all the naive young voters out there don't realize he's becoming a member of the club (Just exactly like GW did!) and abandon him.

Rowly
OJ is free because of the jury's verdict.
My thoughts on OJ don't matter and is a waste of mental energy. The jury had it's say.

Charges were dropped on Ayers due to improper surveillance. So Obama has conferred with a bombing suspect who had charges dropped.
Doesn't sound as inflammatory as an unrepentant bomber, I agree. But it the only hope for cons in Nov. maybe you need to run a more conservative candidate. Oh thats right you cons
were rejected by republicans this time!

txnbybrth
Agreed. Also,show me a squeaky clean politician and I will show you a loser. Money buys what we all need.

What we need makes us who we are. Who we are makes us vote for the lesser of the two evils or the evil. That brings me to Barack Hussein Obama. To me,he is the evil.

wrightsrong52
Some good points. The jury turned him loose and probably could care less.

McCain's candidacy was all but guaranteed by the media because he was their choice. Once other repub candidates realized this they knew they and their families would be indecently torn apart an shredded by the media machine (helped by campaign machine of the left) were they to continue their pursuit of the repub nomination.

A review of the news stories during the early days of the primaries reflect the media's predisposition to favor McCain, and that having been realized, genuinely good people with families for whom they cared would never subject their family to the abuse and assault that would surely be faced in the later days of an election campaign. Obama's family is starting to feel it now from the opposition and it will only increase towards the end. It takes a person who truly only cares about themselves to sacrifice their loved ones to wind political office.

There used to be a time when families where a partiot's family was dutifully put at risk in order to save the country...they put their livelihoods at risk, businesses and family wealth...today most of those we see running for public office do so for their own personal gain and more and more have never had a real job, or ran a business that could willingly be put at risk to serve the country.

Obama-CEO's and the Christian Elite.....
Part 1. Obama is seeking support from normal power bases of the past. Big Industry, which has been hurt over the years by a changing economy and influx of cheap foreign imports.
Who are they most apt to blame, the Southern and Western Christian Colalition who inport items from China at 1/4 thecost, sell at just below American made prices and drive Asian Cars.
Part 2. Christians are the biggest whiners of the campaign, it is oil or First Amendment violation that the cry about, the whole time they buy Chinese made goods, or from factory distributers and drive Nissians or Hondas.
Sounds like I a `liberal` but I am NOT!
I am pointing out exactly what is going on here at TH and across the nation.
If you do not see it their way, they will get you with violence or boycotting you. Sound like Liberal or Terrorist to me.
Not Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion or Freedom from undo persecution.

The Glibamatons' disease...
The Glibamatons are all contaminated by the "see-no-evil/hear-no-evil" Thai monkies virus when it comes to Glibama's gross hypocrisy and opportunism.
Luminous comrade Obama meets secretely big business to reassure them that he's the guy to come to in case of problems? - "Se-no-evil, hear-no-evil!"
Iraq war weather-vane? - "See-no-evil, hear-no evil!"
FISA?" - "See-no-evil, hear-no-evil!"
NAFTA? - "See-no-evil, hear-no-evil!"
Campaign funding? - "See-no-evil. hear-no-evil!"
Etc., etc...
Even if proven as a serial murderer in court the Obamatons would scream a capella: "See-no-evil, hear-no-evil!"
The nonjudgmental zoo in action.

Does't matter
Which deceiver is elected.
The country is broke & heavily in debt beyond our ability to pay for it.Raising taxes will be the final nail in the coffin for what's left of the economy by election time.
Hyper-inflation & many more job losses will begin the final spiral to...

You can fill in the blank for yourselves.

But what did they tell Obama?
If we can go after Cheney for his "secret" meetings with energy companies, why is everyone so sanguine about Obama meeting "secretly" with heavy industry. "What did he promise them?" to quote a favorite nutroots refrain.

building blocks
how do you think this country "developed?" how did the Kennedys acquire their wealth/power, the Rockfellers, the Vanderbilts?

thru treachery, stealing, lying

Rockefeller still has 'air rights' to NYC and collects "fees" to this day

money is power

only those with $$ can run for president

power to the people??

it's a joke

By the Judges-For the People
Obama and the Dem majorty in Congress will have us living in a country where JUDGES rule. Where judges (aka a small group of lawyers) can overrule the overwhelming will of the people. Where profits are bad, and must be controlled by Washington. The only affordfable way to get to work will be on a bicycle with a flippin' propeller hat..

God help us.

Are
some if not all of the 19,000 cited in Sir Aslan's post be our elected king/queenlets?
They are the first to condemn tax cuts for the rich, which makes one wonder where are they stashing their money? Let a small businessman/woman mess up on a tax and the IRS
is jumping down their throats demanding more than the required pound of flesh, yet these
roaches get off. Once there is proof that
the UBS depositers are of the political class especially the DemonRAT species, the investigation will die a silent secret death.
I hope the CEO's have taken bids out on the Brooklyn Bridge, if they believe B Hussein Obama
that will be the hottest property in town.

Future of Us
Let's elect McCain, but not back his ANWR position. We'll build needed refineries, new nuclear power plants, and drill, drill, drill: everywhere there's oil. Be careful but efficient. Such action will create millions of new jobs. We can easily become energy efficient, and begin exporting oil. With the funds, we can improve our economy. Remember, our population increases every year, and we must have the jobs and an economy to sustain them.

Future of Us
Of course, I should have typed energy sufficient. Fumble fingers never die.

Secret meetings and McCain and Graham
If Obama's meetings were secret how come we all know all about them now. Must not have been very secretive.

Beware of Phil Graham. He has had his fingers in all kinds of economic meltdowns. For example Graham was successful in gutting The Glass-Steagall Act that provided the proper oversight separation that would prohibit banks and other financial companies from merging into giant trusts (conflict of interests). this action has helped lead to our mortgage meltdown.
Going back a few more years Phil Graham successfully added an amendment to the appropriations bill at the last minute during Clintons tenure. It slid through unnoticed and put to bed the Futures Trading commission that provided oversight on futures traders. that enabled Enron to manipulate the energy market and you know the rest on that one. Both of these deregulation nightmares has cost and is costing taxpapers BILLIONS. God help us if he becomes our major
economic advisor to the next president!

Another Lawyer; NO THANKS
*
Slick talking empty suit LAWYER; Who's never had a job, and never done anything outstanding that anyone recalls, has no experience except for 6 Years as a State Senator which in this state is one notch below High School Student Council; GOES to Iraq to save us and act like he knows what he’s doing for the MSM cameras.

Conducts secret meetings with US businessmen to assure them he's not as Crazy or Communist as he sounds.

What an absolute JOKE, and sad commentary on the collective intelligence of this once great country. No wonder the Europeans are so happy, they see the END IS NEAR, and we will soon be brought down to they’re pathetic level.

Thats right, you get what you deserve!

I thought I saw
somewhere that Ayers was pardoned by Clinton or some other democ-rat.

Larry Hunter Op-Ed
I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
BY LARRY HUNTER

Wednesday, July 16th 2008, 7:39 PM

I'm a lifelong Republican - a supply-side conservative. I worked in the Reagan White House. I was the chief economist at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce for five years. In 1994, I helped write the Republican Contract with America. I served on Bob Dole's presidential campaign team and was chief economist for Jack Kemp's Empower America.

This November, I'm voting for Barack Obama.

When I first made this decision, many colleagues were shocked. How could I support a candidate with a domestic policy platform that's antithetical to almost everything I believe in?

The answer is simple: Unjustified war and unconstitutional abridgment of individual rights vs. ill-conceived tax and economic policies - this is the difference between venial and mortal sins.

Taxes, economic policy and health care reform matter, of course. But how we extract ourselves from the bloody boondoggle in Iraq, how we avoid getting into a war with Iran and how we preserve our individual rights while dealing with real foreign threats - these are of greater importance.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/07/16/2008-07-16_i m_a_lifelong_conservative_activist_and_.html

good point, bankers own the politicians
chicaree - 12:03 PM EST


Beware of Phil Graham. He has had his fingers in all kinds of economic meltdowns. For example Graham was successful in gutting The Glass-Steagall Act that provided the proper oversight separation that would prohibit banks and other financial companies from merging into giant trusts (conflict of interests). this action has helped lead to our mortgage meltdown.
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More to it too

In March 1987, the Fed approves an application by Chase Manhattan to engage in underwriting commercial paper, applying the same reasoning as in the 1986 Bankers Trust decision, and in April it issues an order outlining its rationale.

While the Board remains sensitive to concerns about mixing commercial banking and underwriting, it states its belief that the original Congressional intent of "principally engaged" allowed for some securities activities.

The Fed also indicates that it will raise the limit from 5 percent to 10 percent of gross revenues at some point in the future.

The Board believes the new reading of Section 20 will increase competition and lead to greater convenience and increased efficiency.

In August 1987, Alan Greenspan -- formerly a director of J.P. Morgan and a proponent of banking deregulation -- becomes chairman of the Federal Reserve Board.

One reason Greenspan favors greater deregulation is to help U.S. banks compete with big foreign institutions.(he says)

Thomas Theobald, then vice chairman of Citicorp, argues that three "outside checks" on corporate misbehavior had emerged since 1933: "a very effective" SEC; knowledgeable investors, and "very sophisticated" rating agencies.

Volcker is unconvinced, and expresses his fear that lenders will recklessly lower loan standards in pursuit of lucrative securities offerings and market bad loans to the public.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/we ill/demise.html

SOPHISTS
SOPHISTS was an school of rhetorical argument in ancient Greece. The Sophists were sought out as teachers because of their presumed wisdom. The Sophists main concern was self preservation and ultimate strategy; ergo, they were known to be clever, manipulating, conniving, and ultimately dishonest. Sophists did not quibble over ethics, their main argument was to weight the strengths then pounce on the weaker side.

Again I request of some of those with affinity toward Barack "Barry" Hussain bin O'Boomerang (nee: Obama) to name one - just 1 - redeemable quality relative to Barack "Barry" Hussain bin O'BoomBox (nee: Obama)?

Please Note: Being a Sophist Double Crosser may be construed as clever or smart but consider not these traits as redeemable qualities.

@ chicaree
"If Obama's meetings were secret how come we all know all about them now. Must not have been very secretive."

Maybe because as Novak wrote -
"Obama scheduled the meetings without any hopes of winning the captains of industry over from Sen. John McCain"

It is the very same PROBLEM The Obamassiah faced when he "PROMISED" the Unions he would re-negotiate NAFTA, then sent an underling to Canada to let the Minister of Trade know he was JUST BLOWING SMOKE up the Union Workers' collective arses & "nothing would change" with NAFTA IF he is elected!!

To keep this type of stuff "secret" those in on the secret must be on your side (not the case with the "captains of industry")...
OR
They must have something to GAIN from being privy to said "secret"...Not the case with NAFTA/Canada who had much to lose & nothing to GAIN.

I could point out that this also answers mrcmrc's comment (#1) but mrc is such a bozo he/she wouldn't understand the point anyway.


W/O=

Socialist Behavior
Obama is a socialist looking to lull the corporate types who will go along with socialism so long as their privileges are protected.

SHOTGUN COLLECTIONS
I suspect there were shotguns guarding the doors and corners as the collection plate passed.

wrightswrong 52
O.J.is free because a jury was stupid and because money kept the trial going until it was a mockery. It is a waste of mental energy to you because you were probably happy with the verdict.

We 'cons'got our candidate by the dirty deeds of liberals,who voted for him,instead of either of their candidates,then whined when we did the same. All water under the bridge.

Ayers,like O.J.is walking the streets,a free man,but neither has been ruled innocent. But that is the way liberal deal with criminals. Put them on a pedestal.Just look at Bill Clinton and now Barack Hussein Obama.

Rowly and Ranger29
I agree with both of you to a certain extent on the OJ verdict.

I was too young at the time to really care about the case but I watched some of it on tv and then we've studied it in both high school and college.

The jury was stupid, and voted against conviction based solely on OJ's race. But the media made a mockery of the trial and Judge Ito let them get away with it.
But the prosecution did blow their case, badly.


Trash-talking Liberals
The'Fungus among us' is back-k-k-k . The condescending know-it-all,just CANNOT resist talking down to those of us whom he thinks are inferior to him.

The despicable liberal,who just MUST put in his 2 cents worth and talk down to the rest of us just so he will feel superior,fails every time.

He must use fifty different handles to try to stay relevant and still he will be deleted by morning. What a colossal, fricking joke,you are you commie-loving joke!

Well Ranger29,
If you don't know that the jury voted for aquittal soley on OJ's race, you haven't really studied the case because several members of the jury, including the foreman, stated publicly in interviews afterwards that that was specifically their reasons for aquittal.

We saw enough of those interviews in school, but so far I haven't found any of them in any online archives. Maybe it's my own fault and I'm just not trying hard enough. But then I don't always have the time to do so.

El Superior
Neutralize is spelled wrong. Impedance is also spelled wrong. Such poor grammar for such a SUPERIOR person! An 'officer' at that! Officer of what,latrine duty?

Did you get a dishonorable discharge? Is that why you hate Georgie so much? You are a legend in your own mind,wobbie, and a colossal joke!

I'm spinning out of control? You have been spinning as long as I have been posting and you haven't come up with a coherent sentence for all that time.

El Supremo
No one cares what or who you like. Why do you insist on telling us? You are wrong about everything,but are too blind to admit it. You just criticize.

Bye,bye Birdie,you will be long gone by morning and good riddance to bad medicine.

USMC Lieutenant, Thanks
I'm guessing that from your rank, and that you sound as if you've recently just finished high school, and some college, you're probably around my age, which is just turned 22.

I never watch Larry King as I think he's a total JACKASS and a liberal hack, but I did see several of the interviews with jury members.
I really wish I could find a link to at least one, but so far it's a dead end.


From reading Ranger29's last post, and his posts to this Rowly person, I can see that he has a real problem with the "right wing" and our Commander in Chief, as well as El Rushbo.

But one thing he said is definitely not true. At least where I am now, and several places where I've been, "Bush is mocked openly by the troops, partiuclarly the Marines in the field."

I don't knonw about you Lt., but I spend time with Marines as well as fellow swabbies, and I've never heard any of them openly mocking President Bush.
I'd bring any military personnel that I caught doing so up on charges, even if they outranked me.

Semper Fi back at ya.

This Rowly Person
If you read enough of his posts,you will find out he is totally demented. He has such a hatred for the president,it clouds his every thought.

He is a consumate liar and makes up stories about himself that no one believes. He offers no proof of any of his fairytales.

Almost anytime I post something,he comes on and condescendingly criticizes it. I never do that to him.

I couldn't care less what he writes,but he names me and does his little critique.

All his posts are deleted by townhall every night. Still he writes his drivel. He does it for sport. He also uses about twenty five names to get on.


Lone Ranger
See,you just don't get it!! I don't want your compliments. I know I have said something wrong if you compliment it.

As for you being untruthful,no one believes you. I just know no one person could be what you say you are or have done.

Calling the president... Bush,the torturer is just plain insane. You know you are lying about that. Your hatred of him is obvious to one and all. He has tortured no one!

You have no respect for him or his position. If you really were who you claim,you would not be disrespectful.




I see what you mean Lieutenant
This guy appears to be seriously deranged. And his hatred of you is really obvious.
Do you know the real reasons for this? I see what you think it might be, but I doubt that's his real reason.

At any rate I'd love to talk to you more about this and several other things. You seem like a sincere and honest person, and mentally stable unlike "Wobbie," so I'll ignore what he says about you.
If you don't mind, write to me at the email below and we can talk privately where this mental case can't read it.

But for now I must go. Take care.

wolverinesfan@live.com

Hussein and Big Business
The BHO olive branch to big business shows more movement to the center from his far left starting point. Now he's locked up the Unions no doubt, California and New York, the abortionists, the college mush heads and environmentalists, the oppressed multiculturists, feminists, Code Pinko and anti-warists, the Burn Baby Burn dropouts, the welfare industry and all its clients, gays -lesbians- transgender types, teachers at every level, overpaid civil servants ..... what else is left? It looks like it is straights, white boy Eddies, guys who like to fish-hunt or just go to the shooting range, guys who build the highrises and bridges and freeways, NRA members, those of us that want our GD borders closed and understand the real threat of another Islamic terror on our soil, those of us who have served and sacrificed in the military - our families and supporters, those of us who want equal and identity free politics and opportunities, feel free of any guilt from past eras, those of us who want to be energy independent with new oil and nuclear and wind and geothermo and hydrogen resources that have been capped by crony politicians, no caps on free speech such as revisiting the brownshirted 'fairness doctrine' to close down talk radio, zero based budgeting, yada, yada, yada. Have a nice day.

Well Well Wobbie
I see that as usual you couldn't resist the opportunity to allow your JDS (Jeff Derangement Syndome) to get control over you.

All he has to do is show up on the same thread and sooner or later, whether he's talking about/to you or not, you just have to be an AS$ and attack HIM personally.

Whatever happened to your little line that you only attack other peoples "political views and opinions?"
That's the ONLY thing about Jeff that you didn't touch, AGAIN, tonight.
And I couldn't help but notice that you never mentioned to the Ensign what you're always telling the Lieutenant. You remember don't you, "The Commandant" sent out an email" that says "you can't use your service branch and rank as a "screen name" on political sites."

WHY NOT WOBBIE?????

Is it because YOU'RE LYING ABOUT THAT just like you lie about almost everything else? HMMMM???
YEP, THAT'S EXACTLY IT.
I communicate with General Conway all the time by Email, Wobbie.
I asked him about that and he told me YOU'RE LYING about it. Care to challenge me on it Wobbie?

And also CONGRATULATIONS on turning another potential friend, the Ensign, into another Townhaller who thinks you're off your rocker, as well as unable to follow rules.
You've just given another REAL Naval Officer a reason to try to find out who and where you really are, to put you in the loonie bin where you belong.

Is that so Wobbie?
Another of the cast of characters?

Funny, but in all of the posts by "Jeff's Dad" that I've read and/or saved(which is most of them, just as I've saved most of yours) I've NEVER seen where Marine's Dad EVER claimed to be talking to General Zinni, by any method.

Contrary to what you continue to believe, because you want to, "Jeff" NEVER claimed to hold a "DIRECT commission."
Anne said he did(based on something he told her in one of their conversations on another chat service) and she got a few details wrong.

But you wouldn't know that because like he said, when he tried to tell you the facts you rejected them because it wasn't the answer(s) you wanted.
I saved those posts between you two, too.

But don't ask me for them because I wouldn't give you squat for proof unless and/or until you start proving some of your own claims about yourself(or without the Lt's permission).
And we both know that'll never happen. Don't we?

Maybe you could back up this claim(MD saying he talked to Zinni) with some actual proof, unlike any of your other claims where you always have an excuse for not being able to prove what you're saying.

And if you want to see what a real fool looks like, go look in a mirror.

Rowly
O.J.is free because a jury was stupid and because money kept the trial going until it was a mockery. It is a waste of mental energy to you because you were probably happy with the verdict.

We 'cons'got our candidate by the dirty deeds of liberals,who voted for him,instead of either of their candidates,then whined when we did the same. All water under the bridge.

Ayers,like O.J.is walking the streets,a free man,but neither has been ruled innocent. But that is the way liberal deal with criminals. Put them on a pedestal.Just look at Bill Clinton and now Barack Hussein Obama.

Rowly says

Ayers,like O.J.is walking the streets,a free man,but neither has been ruled innocent. But that is the way liberal deal with criminals. Put them on a pedestal.Just look at Bill Clinton and now Barack Hussein Obama.

What crime was Obama charged with?
Have you ever heard of a jury verdict of innocent? I thought it was guilty or not guilty?
Have yu ever been ruled

To USMC Lt., WP and Rowly
I want to thank you Lieutenant, for warning me about this maniac "Ranger29" whom you all call "Wobbie."
I wasn't really surprised that he had bad things to say about Pres. Bush, since many people on political sites don't like him.
But when you said "Wobbie" has claimed to be an A.D. Navy Captain, I was immediately outraged that he would say such things.
I also couldn't believe it when out of the blue he just started attacking YOU, personally.

To Rowly,
When I saw what you were posting to "Wobbie" I got kind of suspicious of him, but to that point he hadn't done anything to give me even a hint of what a psycho he is.
Being relatively new here, I hadn't ever seen him go bonkers like he did when he for no apparent reason started attacking the Lieutenant.

Finally, to Western Patriot,
I see where you asked "Wobbie" why he hadn't told me about not using my service branch and rank in my posts.
Actually he did, in the middle of his first attack on the Lieutenant. I would have asked him on what authority he was telling me this, since I didn't know that he claimed to be a Captaiin in the Navy, but I was just too shocked at how he suddenly attacked the Lt., for no apparent reason, to think of that.

But now I know all I need to about "Wobbie" and will avoid him at all costs. I REALLY hope that he's not really in the Navy. He's a disgrace to the uniform, especially if he really is an officer.

NewaNavyEnsign
Believe me,this is an ongoing problem with this person. His schtick is to oppose any and everything we say. If we say white,he says black,etc. Just to try to agitate.

Most of us never even read his posts,but when he ridicules you by name,it rankles the best of us.I don't know who or what he really is and couldn't care less.

He uses about twenty five handles,not to try to hide his identity,but to try to confuse the townhall screeners.

On the weekends he will not be deleted,but every other day,his posts will be erased overnight.

Navy Ensign
Yes, I see now that he did make that comment. But as you stated in your last post, he hid it in the middle of his first unprovoked attack on the Lieutenant.
That's probably why I missed it.

Whenever I see the beginning of one of his MANY PER THREAD unprovoked attacks on Jeff, I immediately skip the rest of that post because they all say exactly the same thing.

As I said, he suffers severely from not only Bush Derangement Syndrome, but also Jeff Derangement Syndrome. And Jeff is right about the reasonsfor the attacks, it's pure, unadulterted envy. But Wobbie will deny that as he denies everything else we prove about him.
He even attacks Jeff when Jeff isn't online.

In case you're wondering, the investigations that Wobbie keeps asking people about in a mocking way are real investigations into his real identity, location and activities.

He likes to think that none of them will ever amount to anything. But he is wrong, as he will regret finding out in the not too distant future.
Til then, we just don't answer his questions(keep him guessing when the shoe will drop) and let him laugh like the fool he is.

But WE will have the last laugh.

Oh, and another thing, Ensign
In case you hadn't noticed, Wobbie is SERIUOLSY DELUDED AND A SERIAL LIAR.
Some examples of this are as follows:

--Example #1 - Delusional--
Ranger29 Location: TX Reply # 62
Date: Jul 20, 2008 - 12:00 AM EST

"The joy of not using ones military rank on a forum like this, is that one is endowed with the political rights of any American."
--end Example #1--

He's wrong about this because having once identified himself, repeatedly, as a "Navy Captain" and Aviator," almost everyone who's a regular poster here KNOWS that he at least claims to be in the military.
That means that he DOES NOT have the freedoms of regular Americans who are not in the military. He is still bound by the UCMJ to refrain from criticizing his civilian and military leaders in forums such as this.
He's identified himself as a Naval Officer, so his little trick of not giving his full/real name and rank DOES NOT release him from that obligation.

--Example #2 - Serial Liar--From he same post

"The current US was kind enough the last time he was "here" to have the White House Photographer take several official photos of the two of us...and sent them to me and most graciously my parents and Slugger and my children....You can search The Dallas Morning News for it..."
--End Example #2--

Wobbie is constantly "bragging" about having written articles, written OpEd pieces, or being in news photos with real dignitaries. Yet he refuses to post links to, or copies of, any of it so that it can be verified.
Not only that but no onoe who's loooked for any of his "articles, OpEds or pictures has EVER ben able to find them in the places he claims they are.

Oh, and another thing, Ensign Pt. 2
Another lie he constantly tells is his statements that High Ranking Officials(usually military) have said things like the lie I called him on in my post about what he claims General Conway sent an email about.
He's also claimed that SecDef Gates(and others) made a similar statement twice in TWO DIFFERENT Q&A sessions after major speeches.
The problem, for him, is that those speeches and the Q&A sessions after them were published in various places and anyone can read them.
On both occasions people HAVE read them and NO SUCH COMMENTS as what he claims were made EVER show up in the transcripts.

So now you have even more info on what an arrogant, psychotic, narcissistic, person Wobbie really is.

Western Patriot
Thank you for the additional information about Wobbie. I see from his last post, the one after yours, that he really doesn't comprehend the written word too well.

He sure is full of himself(and other things that I won't mention) to suggest that if whatever investigations you all have going aren't done in four months YOU should leave TownHall.
This is really funny considering all of the times that USMC Lt., showed me in private emails where Wobbies posts have been deleted for such things as his outright racist and sexists comments about Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, and the LADIES of Fox News, not to mention his stupid cracks about Rush Limbaughs brief problems with a very addictive pain killer.

This guy is truly an embarrassment to himself and whomever he works for. I PRAY that it's not the US Navy.

Western Patriot and NewNavyEnsign
First to WP, thanks for your great and factual expose on Wobbie. I'm not surprised that he made such a ridiculous offer as he did in his last post.
It only goes to show that we've got him nervous, and for that I'm happy.

NewNavyEnsign,
From your Emails with Jeff, you already know who I am so I don't need to introduce myself to you here.
I'm glad to see that you're a quick study on how low Wobbie will stoop to be the center of attention. Just remember that he will do or say anything to make the conversation about himself.

But also remember that by morning all of his posts will be gone as he's not supposed to even be here.

Semper Fi

You're welcome Marine's Dad
I've always been really quick to pick things up. It's one of the biggest reasons that I've always done so well with my education, I had a 4.5 GPA in my senior year.
Not to brag but my PSAT Scores for getting into college were a near perfect 1550.

Even better, I was home schooled from 7th grade up until I enrolled in a regular high school for my senior year.

Imagine that.

I find it really funny
That Wobbie the wussy would use "Rattler" as his screen name, at least until his posts are deleted in a few hours.

A Rattler is a distinguished member of the snake family that it to be feared if you anger it.
Wobbie, on the other hand, is a moron who is to be mocked and baited into proving to the world what an idiot he is.

ANY self respecting Rattler would laugh his tail off at Wobbie for using "Rattler" as a screen name just before he bit the fool on his fat, stupid, YackASS.

Obama
He will be the main problem.

Barack's Excellence and Virtue
Barack's talents are truly amazing. But I cannot forgive him for the mindless partisanship that led him to vote against John Roberts, an obviously excellent justice.
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