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Monday, June 09, 2008
Robert Novak :: Townhall.com Columnist
McCain's Evangelical Problem
by Robert Novak
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WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Shortcomings by John McCain's campaign in the art of politics are alienating two organizations of Christian conservatives. James Dobson's Focus on the Family is estranged following the failure of Dobson and McCain to talk out their differences. Evangelicals who follow the Rev. John Hagee resent his disavowal by McCain.

The evangelicals are not an isolated problem for the Republican candidate. Enthusiasm for McCain inside the Republican coalition is in short supply. During the four months since McCain clinched the nomination, he has not satisfied conservatives who oppose his positions on global warming, campaign finance reform, immigration, domestic oil drilling and how to ban same-sex marriages.

Among all constituency groups, McCain's need for the evangelicals is most crucial. After supporting Jimmy Carter's election in 1976, Christian conservatives switched to Ronald Reagan in 1980 and since have been indispensable for Republican presidential candidates. Dobson and Hagee, who are not merely inside-the-Beltway interest group chairmen or think tank managers, command substantial followings.

"I would not vote for John McCain under any circumstances," Dobson said in January 2007, adding, "I pray that we won't get stuck with him." After McCain clinched the nomination, however, Dobson privately invited him to his Focus on the Family's headquarters in Colorado Springs, Colo. When members of the Family Policy Council gathered there May 9 for an annual conference, the word was spread that McCain's campaign staff had rebuffed Dobson's invitation.

It had not been that simple. The McCain campaign had responded that the senator would be in Denver May 2 and would be happy to see Dobson in his hotel suite for a visit not limited by time. Dobson declined and asked McCain to come to Colorado Springs. McCain then also declined.

As the stalemate with Dobson continued, McCain had in his pocket an endorsement he had sought from popular televangelist Hagee. Founder and pastor of the Cornerstone mega church in San Antonio, Hagee endorsed McCain in a joint press conference Feb. 27. William Donahue, president of the Catholic League, immediately asked whether McCain agreed with Hagee's description of Catholicism as a "Godless theology." McCain started backing away, asserting his courtship of the pastor was "probably" a mistake.

Donahue, accustomed to no remorse by Catholic-bashers, was surprised when Hagee apologized in writing and then engaged him in a warm private meeting at Catholic League offices in New York. But Obama supporters seeking McCain equivalence with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright were not finished. The Huffington Post featured a decade-old Hagee video asserting Adolph Hitler was God's "hunter," who forced Jews to create the state of Israel as their natural home.

Actually, Hagee was a founder of Christians United for Israel and the first non-Jew named "humanitarian of the year" by the San Antonio B'Nai B'Rith. Donahue, his former adversary, called Hagee "the strongest Christian defender of Israel I have ever met." But McCain, who held his fire reacting to Hagee's anti-Catholic remarks, had no patience with less clear evidence of anti-Semitism.

Hagee tried to pre-empt McCain by withdrawing his endorsement, but the candidate beat him to the punch by disavowing him (along with another mega-church supporter, the Rev. Rod Parsley of Columbus, Ohio, because of harsh words about Islam). Hagee's telephone lines became clogged with calls from worshippers asking whether they should vote for McCain. Hagee replies he really does not know, but asserts to friends that McCain "threw me under the bus."

A prominent Christian ally of McCain's can understand reluctance to make a pilgrimage to Colorado Springs, with no assurance Dobson would endorse him or even restrain his criticism. But this evangelical sees the treatment of Hagee as a cold calculation to make sure McCain would not lose the Jeremiah Wright issue.

McCain strategists are encouraged by polling data that shows their candidate much more popular with rank-and-file conservatives than with their leaders (more than nine to one against Obama among self-identified conservative Republicans). The McCain strategy is to paint Obama in the White House as a daunting prospect. It maintains that while the Republican candidate is no day at the beach, his Democratic opponent would be a weekend in hell -- even if James Dobson and John Hagee do not agree.

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The McLaughlin Associates nationwide poll in my last column indicating 49 percent for John McCain and 38 percent for Barack Obama referred only to white women. Among all women, it was Obama 45, McCain 43.

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The bright side
Those who worship Hillary will vote for McCain.


TheConstantGardener
Some, perhaps, but not enough. Never say never, but McCain has alienated conservatives and the religious right. He can't possibly win. Obama may find a way to lose, however, if he hasn't already. All in all, i say my man, Donald Duck, has as good a chance as any.

McCain, McCain,McCAin......
McCain thinks that all he has to do is scare us conservatives into voting for him....it won't work for me....i don't gain my substance from government programs...the dems who say they'll vote McCain are kidding themselves..they will vote for the Dem no matter what come November-in fact even the illegal aliens want Obama not McCain.

McCain tonight just dissed of all people Billy Graham...the PREACHER of PREACHERS...the ultimate non-partisan minister to republican and democratic administrations alike..what a damn fool McCain is...assuming that he is in the race to REALLY WIN..rather i think he is in it to screw up the Republican Party, and has NO INTENTION OF WINNING.

More to the point...
Let's assume the Obama team (despite what is happening in the Republican Party still blows it) and McCAin wins...McCAin is going to FACE HELL from the right the minute he takes office-they, the right, are going to take a pound of flesh out of this guy as the metaphor goes before its over.

McCAin is already viewed as a democrat and infiltrator,and will be treated accordingly

McCain cannot actively court the
evangelical constituency without turning off the independants, whom he has consistently said is the primary voting bloc he is courting.

John Hagee is a self-described "christian zionist" who believes that Israel is a giant staging ground for Armageddon as foretold in the Book of Revelations. To the average american mind, this theology is nutso and self-serving (for the christian zionist), and borders on anti-americanism (it reeks of future wars).

McCain cannot court over-the-top evangelicals AND fish for votes from the independants at the same time. McCain has made his decision. Ax Hagee and Dobson and battle Barack Obama for those voters in the political "center" (which, after all, is where McCain is actually coming from on a wide swath of issues).

will and Robert
The idea that McCain cannot win independents and religious right, is kind of like saying you cannot walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

By definition, independents are people who have no core political values...they are like the crowd that huddle around entretainment tonight and say how much they like this or that actor...Independents -if they vote-go with whomever they think is the stronger of the two presidential candidates (read: Telegenic--in which case Obama has the press for that despite his screw ups).

Oh by the way, Robert, McCAin does think he is some kind of Master and Commander-at least in his own head-a true legend in his own mind.

Conservative "V" just for you, Robert, but not for what you want-hee hee :-)

love2rumba
You seem to have a very skewed idea of "independent".
It means someone who actually thinks for himself instead of following mindless party politics.

RE: katy the mean old lady
Yes my idea is skewed for the simple fact that is exactly how they (a majority-like 70-90% of people who are independent vote) VOTE, only a handful of Independents of which I, myself, will now count myself as well actually vote on core principles that do not waver.

The mass of independents of the past could vote for Jimmy Carter in 1976 and then turn around and vote for Ronald Reagan in 1980-this is indicative of a mass (which has been in the past the majority of said voters)-that just goes with whatever is hip....like voting for the ubiquitous High School Class President....this is indicative of a mass of US voters that do not have a CORE SET OF PRINCIPLES IN TERMS OF IDEOLOGY- principles that do not waver.

In other words...deep down...you can't realy be middle of the road although a politician can be to get votes


If independent means exactly your definition-which by the way is also MY PREFERENCE AS A DEFINITION FOR WHAT AN INDEPENDENT SHOULD BE, then McCain should get trounced..by them specificly..that would require a shift of the definition of independent in your direction as well as mine.

McCain's campaign is dead on water
By keep showing his arrogance toward Christian evangelicals, McCain decides to roll a dice on his winning chance in November.

His decision to reject a meeting with Rev. Billy Graham must have come from an idiotic mind--whoever that suggests that idea to him or probably McCain himself made that decision. Billy Graham is repected by millions of American from various political spectrums.

Alienating your base is the last thing you want to do in this very tight election.

I supported McCain since the beginning of the primary. But with his continous animosity toward Christian leaders (remember also he threw Pastor Hagee under the bus to please the liberals), many conservative base including me decide to sit out the election in November.

Or it's probably McCain is about to endorse Obama?

Most evangelicals ...
... are not yet aware that Obama's brand of Christianity is based on Black Liberation Theology (BLT). Some have heard vague references to BLT, but have no idea of its teachings. BLT is little more than Marxism couched in black separatism, reinforced with a weapons-grade dose of anti-white bigotry and anti-American paranoia.

So far, the media have refused to educate the public on the underlying teachings of Trinity United, preferring to characterize the hate filled rants of Obama's pastor as "snippets taken out of context."

Hardly. As improbable as it seems, the more context given those snippets, the more offensive they are. Obama's twenty year association with Trinity United becomes almost unexplainable.

When evangelicals and mainstream Christians understand the true nature of Obama's so-called "Christian" beliefs, they will naturally be repulsed. To attach the Christian label to such beliefs is fraudulent. To attend those sermons for two decades is inexcusable.

I am no fan of McLame but
this is the Democrap talking points which try to compare an endorsement by Hagee as the same as attending a racist organizationfor 20 years. It will not wash Novak and you shouldn't be carrying the Demo's water for them.

One star

Wrong.
This is ridiculous.

The evangelicals will hold their noses and vote for McCain -- or, against Obama. The unhappy women will hold their noses and vote for Obama -- or, against McCain.

And probably McCain will win and you people can compalin about him for four years.

"clogging of telephone lines"..
I doubt Hagee controls the evangelicals... although if Novak's account is true, it is troubling Hagee's telephone lines were clogged by worshippers calling to inquire if they should vote for John McCain.

You know, sometimes I really fear for the future of our Beloved Republic!

I think Hagee is a citizen of the United States, although I have to wonder...given his obsession over Israel.

Maybe he should instruct his flock to go to Israel and enlist in the Israeli army.

Maybe he himself ought to do that.

Who knows..maybe B'Nai B'Rith will present him with another humanitarian award.

Our "loss" would be Israel's gain.

On McCain, I read at Newsmax where he declined to meet with the Reverend Billy Graham.

I don't see why McCain would not meet with Graham.

Graham is not a fanatic.

In my modest opinion, the evangelical vote is becoming less monolithic.

McCain will probably get a majority of this vote, but Obama will do much better with this group than John Kerry did in 2004.

Obama's big hurdle is to convince white women who supported Hillary, and who think she got stiffed by the primary results, to vote for him.

McCain will also try to get this vote.

Should be interesting.




Will
Thank you for your restraint. That one note violin was becoming tedious.

As my wife goes
so goes the election. She has voted for the winner in the last 7 presidential elections. She considers herself a staunch democrat but couldn't vote for any of the recent candidates but Clinton. She says she will vote for McCain in Nov. She can not explain why. She gets her political views and news from People and Good Morning America. Its a good thing you don't have to have someone figured out to love them.

getting Hillary supporters
in #14, jerabaub writes "Obama's big hurdle is to convince white women who supported Hillary, and who think she got stiffed by the primary results, to vote for him."

If he can make it through the convention without being stabbed in the back by Hillary, the Hillary primary voters will vote for Obama en masse.



Something else - these guys Hagee and Parsley, while "evangelical" like me, are not my cup of tea theologically, so I didn't care all that much what McCain did about their endorsements.

But Billy Graham has always shot straight- so I wonder what exactly McCain is trying to avoid there? My impression is that even the athiest left respects Graham - probably because he's never really tried to influence politics.

McCain's Religous Problems?
His flipping among religions is not his major problem so do not keep repeating that Novak. His biggest problem is that he is but a one subject candidate and most Americans don't want to be involved in Bush's war. He is a prime example of a RINO and no one on either side likes a flip-flopping candidate like him and John Heintz Kerry. Where can McShame go from here? Just nowhere, keep repeating. He has already flip flopped on most things.

Obama Could Win 40 Percent Evangelicals

Religious Right Figure Gets Chills: Obama Could Win 40 Percent Of Evangelicals

Can this be true?

HP-”With clients like Focus on the Family, Franklin Graham, and Campus Crusade for Christ, Mark DeMoss may be the most prominent public relations executive in the evangelical world. A former chief of staff to Jerry Falwell, DeMoss became then-presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s chief liaison to evangelical leaders.”

In a new interview with Dan Gilgoff for BeliefNet’s God-o-Meter, DeMoss explains the lack of religious enthusiasm for McCain and predicts a potential major shift to Obama.

How is John McCain doing among evangelicals, a crucial Republican constituency?

read more

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/religious-right-fi gure-gets-chills-obama-could-win-40-percent-of-evangelicals

The evangelicals
really have no where else to go. They can stay home on election day, but my guess is they won't help Obama be elected.
I'm from the libertarian wing of the party and can easily vote Libertarian this fall as a protest.

And they'll vote for Obama?
Let's all take a deep breath.

If I'm an "evangelical" and I only have two choices -- OK, I know, I really have more than two: McCain, Obama, the Libertarian guy, Ralph Nader, a write-in and, of course, not voting at all -- am I really going to vote for someone other than McCain?

Can any evangelical look at Obama (the politician/legislator)and his voting record and say "I share values with this man?"

On a personal level, you might feel something positive, something warm about his statements of his personal beliefs, but that isn't who's going to be President.

The man who would be President has a voting record that you should research before you decide.

The fun is over...
I think those of us who are conservative have been too busy enjoying the Hillary and Obama battle this spring (and best of all, liberals being simply shocked to realize that Hillary is amoral and ruthless).
Our schaudenfreude has distracted us from the bad news that's now settling in -- we have a Republican candidate whose only vain hope is to go around loudly assuring everyone that he's NOT like the current Republican.

There is no evangelical problem 4 McCain
Evangelicals may not be happy w/McCain, and they may vote begrudgingly, but if they're as worried about their issues as they say they are, then they will turn out for McCain in droves. B/c if they believe McCain is bad, or has abandoned them, the alternative is sooo much worse.

mike for vp
could always pick huckabee as vp. he also apeals to bluecollar workers and minorities. romney would hurt him among those same groups .

The only problem
The only problem is one on the Evang side. Perhaps they need to take off the glasses, and see there are actually people of other colors, races, cultures and yes, RELIGONS out there. It's not just them anymore. There's the rest of US.
McCain is Baptist. Wouldent that give the evang's a warm fuzzy?

Most will vote for McCain
MightyClong has the right idea. If Evangelicals care as much about the things they say they do, then they will vote for McCain. Without listing all of the many reasons, the most important should be the looming vacancies on the Supreme Court--most Evangelicals would not want to sacrifice those important seats because they have issues with McCain. Once Obama is painted as the hard liberal that he truly is, Evangelicals will be working their tails off to get McCain elected.

Why must we vote
beccuae of what church they may or may not attend on sunday. If your getting your voting advise from a pastor, you should never go near a voting booth.

Obama and Evangelicals
Barack is more hostile to the views of evangelical Christians than any Presidential candiadte in recent history. He is so pro-abortion that he took the Illinois Senate floor to argue against requiring abortion providers to provide medical care to children who survived abortion attempts. These children were simply being left alone to die and Barack did all he could to make sure that practice continued. A true Christian cannot be pro-abortion so it is clear that Obama is not a true Christian and that noone with any vestige of moral belief should vote for him.

A Leader?
McLame is constantly showing us what an inept candidate he is. He should have pointed out that he's not running for some religious office and he was looking for votes from people who agreed with him politically. Then he should have pointed out that while he never attended services in any of these congregations in question that Obama was a member of a church for twenty years where "God Damn AmeriKKKa!" was part of the liturgy.To react to every story in the liberal press by dumping potential allies and running like a whipped little Chihuahua is nuts. If those people stay home out of anger at McLame it will lead to a slaughter of the down-ticket Republicans in November.

will
Your (1:01am) post: makes sense to me.
I think you are probably correct about the independent vote being the one to go after.
There are a couple of elements to the hard right. One of them is the evangelicals, and another is the mad-about-immigration (therefore mad at McCain) element.
But McCain has never been hard right, and so at least it's an honest stance to go after the middle.
By contrast, the hard left is what Mr. Obama IS, but he will attempt to move center. He's going to pss people off too.

this evangelical conservative
will go 3rd party or abstain. I will not pull the party lever this time around. If my local pols are not conservative then I won't vote for them either.

I think McCain will win but will (gladly) do it without the con vote. I think Obama will get pounded in the electoral college.

if McCain is smart
He will constantly say that Obama's presidency will be JimmaCartaII.

love2rumba
I'd take issue with your statement that independents "have no core political values".
They just happen not to match up issue for issue with either party platform, so Independents will vote for whoever represents the best mix of their priorities.
You would find few independents in the hard radical wings of either liberalism or conservatism. That's not the same as having no convictions.

We
are forgetting the main advisors around McC ARE
DemonRats. (By DemonRATS, I'm talking about those in power in the Party heirachy, be they at the top or political carpetbagging advisors)
So what does that tell ya.
It's because of the McCains in the GOP that my family and I refuse to support with our $$ the
RNC.

There was a great man of God named Rees Howells,
who started intercessory prayer meetings at the
Bible College of Wales. His group of students and professors prayed 5 hours a night for the protection and deliverance of Britain, for the duration of W W 2. In 1936 Howells said Hitler was "Satan's own tool to prevent world evangelization." "In fighting Hitler we have always said were were not up against man, but the devil." Hagee wasn't so far off in his assertion, as cruel as it seems, but historically there have always been forces that have set out to annihilate the Jewish people. We forget that there were many Christians that alsp suffered in the camps as well as disabled
people, referred by the Nazi's as "useless eaters."
I don't agree with either Parsley or Hagee either and i'm evangelical. And to have snubbed
Billy Graham, is an insult to ALL believers, regardless of their doctinal beliefs. Billy is a Giant among American Men of God.
I think McCain's advisors are sandbagging him.
Jman, that's been my position all along, no real Christian of any flavor can vote for an
inhumane ghoul like Barack 'baby is punishment,
exposing abortion survivors' Hussein Obama. It that part of the teachings of TUCC? His idea of sin is "being out of touch with my values"

No Core Values
McCain is the one how has no core political values. He's so weak he lets himself be manipulated by the Huffington Post. How dare he throw a good man like Hagee under the bus? No telling what Senor Dr Smilin' Juan Hernandez is whispering in his ear.


McCain's wonderful Rino advisors
seem to be really fumbling to present him with any clear strong attractive message. Yikes.

My husband, three sons, and I are five of the religious conservatives that McCain essentially referred to as bigots, who do not care about God's children, because we did not support his wimpy fine for amnesty idea.

We support many charities with our tithe, actually helping the poor directly, so his hateful and dismissive attitude hasn't exactly won us over.

He better eat humble pie and apologize to Dr. Dobson, because there is no more beloved and respected person than Dr Dobson in the Christian community which McCain appears to not realize exists, who has fought against pornography and for the family stronger than any stupid politician.

My youngest son just became voting age, and I guess our five conservative votes are expendable to the Rinos.




To: wife and mom
You are not the only votes that seem to be expendable. All around the country, they are alienating passionate conservative voters simply because they support Ron Paul. Instead of embracing the new-found enthusiasm and the energy of the youth, they are clinging desperately to their positions of power and thereby killing the party. Look into the some of the recent Republican state conventions to see what I am talking about. Some of their actions are illegal or they break their own party rules, but they do not dare allow any changes to the status quo.

McCain's nomination may very well be the death nail to the Republican party. How can a "anything but Obama" campaign compete with a message of "hope" and "change"? Negatives don't beat positives, and we cannot possibly think we can beat Obama without a positive and powerful message especially in a society driven by emotion and entertainment. McCain has weak substance, little charisma, and a negative platform. That is not a recipe for success.

Republicans Must Un-Church Themselves
I don't think the Republican party is going to be around much longer, but if they want to avoid extinction, they absolutely must un-church themselves. The party must be about conservatism - not religion. Americans do not want political parties based on religion - period. The liberals have a similar problem with black churches serving as extensions of the Democrat party. How to stop it? Start taxing churches that insist on poking their noses into politics. The Catholic Church is heavily involved in promoting illegal immigration. Black churches give political speeches every Sunday from the pulpit. Evangelicals are heavily involved in politics. They should all be taxed. If that doesn't stop them, their property should be seized. Candidates need to do their part as well. Religion or lack of it should not enter into political campaigns in any way - no mor photo ops outside tche church steps on Sunday morning. It's a cynical display in a nation that was founded on separation of church and state.

BOO HOO HOO
McCain has it coming! He has gave Evangelicals the "Finger" more than once. He has a long history of snubbing his nose at them. I guess only time will tell if they will sit this one out? I for one will be voting 3rd party...Chuck Baldwin 2008.

The Chuch Must Un-Politicize Themselves
doctorfixit: And conversely, the church needs to get back to what is supposed to do: spread the gospel and equip their members for ministry. We need to realize that all of our political efforts in the past 30 years has resulted in: NOTHING. We have had minimal positive impact on our society, and have in fact quite possibly hurt our testimony to our nation and the world in the process. We should equip our people to live lives that are honoring to God. If they then choose to pursue a career in politics, they can use the values and lessons and taught in the church to be the best statesmen they can be.

The church's job is not to fix our government, but to point people to God so He can transform their lives. These transformed people can then go out and change their world where they are at: in the office, at the mechanic shop, or on Capital Hill. It is this lack of focus on what is truly important that has brought us to where we are today: relying on a Republican party that merely panders to a demographic instead of demonstrating heart-felt conviction and purpose.

It is time the church got back to ministry.

Chuck Baldwin
Florida: I agree. Chuck Baldwin appears to be a very strong candidate. I am still waiting to see what will happen with the Ron Paul campaign, but if he is not on my ballot, I will be voting for Chuck Baldwin.

No one Preacher
is as important to me as God himself and My lord and Saviour. Understand I respect them but before them as men I respect and love my country more. I will vote for McCain because I fear Obama and the radical left clear to my bones. Our country will become unrecognizable. That's scary and many say the GOP is using fear to win this election. Be afraid! Be very Afraid! Terrorism is real and has struck us once,even if you dislike or disagree with Bush he has kept it from happening again. Our show of might and fearlessness to their efforts have worked. God Bless America.

McCain is pro-life
He is against a nationalized health plan, wants to stabilize Iraq before leaving, and wants to cut government spending and waste. Unfortunately, he also believes in global warming, but at least he supports building nuclear plants and will actually do more to get us energy independence than Obama would. He's also at least said he'd secure the borders first, though we all know he's for amnesty after.

McCain is definitely a mixed bag, but I still have to vote for him because he's running against Obama. It stinks.

I wish McCain would have met with Billy Graham, though. I can understand not meeting with Hagee, who I think is still a genuinely good man but unfortunately had his controversial YouTube moment. But Billy Graham is widely respected and as far as I know is uncontroversial. With James Dobson - I don't think he's made any huge gaffes, either, and McCain should probably meet with him as well.

Nose holders always entertain
Nothing reveals how fear-driven and completely lacking of logic the nose-holding RINOs are than to read their never changing rationalizations. If you go back to last year at this time, they were saying exactly the same things for the same reasons to defend McCain and Giuliani. Even while we had a chance to nominate a Republican, these guys were screeching about "electibility" and how one or the other is "THE ONLY ONE who can beat Hillary!!!". That is why I am now an independent, we never have to explain why we keep company with nose-holding whiners.

Obama will win those

evangelicals who support the sodomite agenda and the killing of innocent human beings as long as they are pre-born or defenseless in other ways, i.e. unconscious or weak from age.

That is what Obama supports and McCain, at least to a small extent, opposes.

Do 40% of evangelicals support killing pre-born human beings and/or the sodomite cultural and legal agenda? I do not know the answer to that. But, if the polls show 40% of evangelicals support Obama then they must also support abortion, euthanasia, ESCR and homosexual perversions. Afterall, Obama is determined to keep these things legal or make them more acceptable.

Lesser of Two Evils - John McCain
The one thing about voting for the lesser of two evils is that you are still voting for evil. And you have managed to trash your principles at the same time.

Vote Bob Barr 2008

Obama & Mac
As a christain i feel like I am between a rock and a hard place. No I can't and won't vote for a child killer in Obama. I will hold my nose and vote for McCain but i will not send the idiot repb's Natl party any more money. Those of you who will vote for Obama cannot love your country or even life itself. May God have mercy.

McCain & Evangelicals
It is amusing to read such profound pronouncments about what the 'Evangelicals'will do or won't do in the fall. All speculation.

McCain would do better with all voters if he took a position and stuck with it. It is better to not court a certain group,if he is not sincere when asking for their support.

He should run on who and what he is and what his plans are when he is president. Not what he thinks certain groups want to hear. We are all Americans and want what is best for our country.

Conservatives will not vote for Barack Hussein Obama. McCain knows that. He should remember,though,that if he keeps snubbing us,conservatives may not vote for him,either.


One Thing Missing
Obama has to explain to Evangelicals how he sat in the Church of and AMERICAN HATER for 20 years and did not hear one bad thing he said.
I had a family reunion this weekend and had family from Ga.Miss, Tenn ,Al, Mich and S.C. all are DEMS and Religous to the tee. They said that there is no way an Religous person could have sat in that church for 20 years and never heard the HATE AMERICA speeches that was stated by his PASTOR. They said they would not vote for a man who has done nothing for this country yet. The evangelicals wont strey to far from the farm so it all comes down to who do they believe the most.

THE LIAR(OBAMA) or the OLD FART HIMSELF(MCSHAME)


If it comes down to religon I think MCSHAME will win.

ALAH AKBAR MY SOON TO BE CONVERTED MUSLIM AMIGOS
ALAH AKBAR

Shefali
McCain is so Pro-Life he is in favor of Embryonic Stem Cell Research! If thats Pro-Life Im Ronald Reagan!

Apologies
Dateline USA: John McCain today apologized for having 2 feet when it was pointed out by the MSM that there were some people with only 1 foot or with no feet.
Dateline USA: John McCain today apologized for marrying a pretty and wealthy woman when it was pointed out by the MSM that some wives were not rich nor pretty.
Dateline USA: John McCain today apologized for enjoying a sunset from his home's deck in Arizona after it was pointed out by the MSM that there were people who did not get to see it or could not see or didn't have homes with decks or who didn't live in Arizona.

When John stops responding to others and starts behaving like a man with principles, then and only then will I consider him a leader worthy of my vote.

ex-wyo
Your (11:44am) post.
I think you got it right there.

Fauxbama the better choice.....
I suppose evangelicals can help out Obama the anti-Christ. Just to prove a point, ya know. I mean McCain isn't a perfect conservative, but I could see where putting a Marxist in is really the better option....Help us, Lord.....

ex-Wyomingite
It's always a bummer when more liberal creeps move to California from other states, yuck.

It is about good principles. We have already have to overlook that McCain left his first wife and children for a rich heiress young enough to be his daughter for political gain. Talk about a arrogant peacock.

So, give up on the name calling of Dr. Dobson. Its sounds like jealousy wyomingite

The Chuch Must Un-Politicize Themselves
"Khomar
The Church Must Un-Politicize Themselves"

You are so right.

"Render Unto Caesar" Many religious folks are beginning to drift toward government as the solution to problems of this life (e.g. Huckabee). That path leads nowhere but slavery. You cannot pass off your responsibility to your fellow man by writing a check to Uncle Sam. Politics has become our secular religion, we worship each day by watching the nightly news. Turn off the television. Put down the newspaper. Step outside your door and look at your neighbor.

I think it was a MISTAKE ...
... for John McCain to have rejected the Pastors' endorsements which he sought. He could have been OK to just disavow their more incendiary comments.

Easy Solution
There is a very easy solution to this problem. His name is Mike Huckabee. Huckabee can easily rally evangelicals and give McCain very little down side. I can also tell you what will for sure alienate evangelicals. Mitt Romney.

capant
Not all evangelicals.

I just read Doug Weads piece about McCain's snub of Billy Graham. If ever there was a more beloved Man of God than Billy by the American people from all faiths, it's Billy. The arrogance of the McC is beyond belief. The nincompoops running his campaign are so stuck on stupid they will never get loose. Black and
Davis must be RINO's, I know there were/are
Dems on board also. So it's more important to woo the side without values than to secure the
side with values. And if there are any "evangelicals" going to the dark side, then it's on their heads, NO Christian has ANY business even considering Barack Hussein Obama
given his desire for human sacrifice by partial birth abortion or exposure after survival of late term abortion. (Yes, it's hyperbole, but
when you get down to the nitty gritty what else to you call the deliberate killing of preborn and almost born, and surviving infants but
human sacrifice. The Canaanites used to put infants on the red hot hand of baal as a sacrifice is this any different. Or sealing a newborn in the doorpost of a new house by the same crew (and the God haters call God genocidal, when he ordered the destruction of these civilizations when it was justice.) Modern day child sacrifice is no different, maybe different methods but a baby still ends up dying a tortured death for a god, this god is the god of money. Women sold a lie for profit. while there are some coldhearted feminazi, population control types, most women opting for abortion have bought the lie..and suffer for the rest of their lives, physcially, emotionally and spiritually. They have essentially been raped by the whole system of
abortion worshippers, nothing but duped brood mares providing the sacrifice.

Hope for change? Obomba!!
Obama got 90% of the black vote in the Democrat primary. Elite whites fund Democrats in hopes of imposing socialism on America. Obomba explodes this deadly embrace. Now the blacks will expect a voice. They'll want school choice. If he wins, the elites lose. Can't wait to see it happen. Who else gets squeezed out by Obomba's elbowing his way to the table? Women,yep? Lesbians,yep? Gays,yep? Enviro-nuts,yep?
ks

Tea Party
The corporate offices of the Republican Party has been infiltrated by RINO's. Almst all the leaders are non-conservative. They are guiding McCain.

Hopefully,he will see the error of his ways,before it is too late.The RINO's deserve a monumental loss in the fall.Sadly,their loss will also be our loss and the country's undoing.

WHAT HAPPENED TO MCCAIN'S 1ST WIFE
Ross Perot, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel – even by the standards of modern politics.
‘McCain is the classic opportunist. He’s always reaching for attention and glory,’ he said.
‘After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife- John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

Konop writes


"Obama Could Win 40 Percent Evangelicals"


Well, I am not sure Obama will win 40% of the evangelical vote, but McCain could certainly "lose" at least 40% of the evangelical vote.

This evangelical will reject either of the two.
I cannot give my vote to Obama simply because he advocates the government theft of private property for the empowerment of the almighty state. The 10 commandments do apply equally to persons as well as governments.

I also cannot support McCain who is not much better who will advocate continued theft of the populace to support unpopular wars for 100 years if necessary to the enrichment of the state.

No, my wife and I will caste my vote Libertarian as a message to those of either party since I believe either of these two candidates are horrible for our country.

Deserve to lose
McCain deserves to lose because he has no class, standards, principles and a host of many other "no's" I can probably think of.

I'm not voting for Obama, either. But man am I glad to be a Catholic; and certainly not associated with the likes of Jim Dobson, Rod Parsley, and Tim LaHaye.

BTW: Has Parsley gotten around to EARNING his ordination and stopped giving a literal meaning to the term "bully pulpit"?

various responses, part 1
at 9:41 Qweenmumof7 wrote "The only problem is one on the Evang side. Perhaps they need to take off the glasses, and see there are actually people of other colors, races, cultures and yes, RELIGONS out there. It's not just them anymore. There's the rest of US."

We evangelicals are perfectly aware of all that. It is you who is bigoted and prejudiced for thinking of us the way you do without actually getting to know one of us.

Qweenmumof7 continues "McCain is Baptist. Wouldent that give the evang's a warm fuzzy?"

Bill Clinton is a Southern Baptist, and he just didn't do it for me.




at 9:48 bigkam wrote "... If Evangelicals care as much about the things they say they do, then they will vote for McCain..."

McCain is against abortion while Obama is for it. I'm as pro-life as they come - but I know that McCain will not do anything about it. I doubt he even really wants to - the kind of SCOTUS judge that would return abortion to the states by overturning RvW would also rule McCain-Feingold unconstitutional.

Like many evangelicals, I'm also NOT a one-issue voter. McCain's policies are too statist to merit my vote.


...

Amen to Tea Party's treatise on
"abortion worshippers!"

Life is sacred, and Obama is *clueless* on that fact.

IMO, he is not genuinely even a believer in GOD. He acts too much like an acolyte of the religion of the secularists.

Bottom line, he's an egotistical panderer and political opportunist who is in love with himself, above all.

Huckabee
at 2:42 capant27 brought up Huckabee as McCain's VP: "Huckabee can easily rally evangelicals and give McCain very little down side."

When I first started reading about Huck I really liked him. Then I read some more and he started making me nervous.

On Reagan's three legs he was good on national defense, lacking on fiscal conservatism, and overly conservative to the point of being statist on social issues.

As a libertarian I think it is a legitimate function of government to protect the life of unborn people from being taken by force without due process. But if someone wants to harm their own body (and only their own body), that is their choice - they own it, not the government. Huckabee has a lot of positions that would involve the state in a nanny function, which I don't think is appropriate.

On fiscal issues, he's a populist - LIKE McCain. That is a major reason I will not vote for McCain, and Huck will just hurt him even worse there, especially with the limited-government but not religeous portion of the base.

I would have voted for Huck had he won the nomination dispite the above problems because I agree with him on national defense, and his support of the FairTax makes up for his anti-free market rhetoric.

But as VP for McCain? Not good enough. I'll vote Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin.

Empty Envelopes! for McCain--NO BUCKS
from me!

I will vote for MAC, but *cannot* say I "like" him for President.

My husband and I have been returning to the RNC and McCain's campaign EMPTY ENVELOPES!--with a note that we will not be donating to "RINOS."

I wonder how many other thousands, or millions, of "Republicans" and Conservatives are doing likewise? Will McCain, and the RNC, ever **get the point?**

This afternoon someone called from McCain's campaign, and I calmly explained why we will NOT be donating to him, although we will vote for him--basically just because Obama would be so *disastrous* for America.

I did mention to the caller that our NO DONATION stand could change, if McCain selects Mitt Romney (which probably won't happen) as his V.P. Then she kept trying to convince me to donate now, in a tone of desperation---to which I firmly but politely responded NO, and repeated our reasons.

She **would not** GIVE UP! So I finally just had to SHOUT "NO!!" and hang up on her.

MCCAIN NOT A CHRISTIAN
ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE IN ORDER TO BE A CHRISTIAN YOU HAVE TO BE BAPISTIZED IN ORDER FOR CHRIST TO FORGIVE YOU OF YOUR SINS (IN MCCAINS CASE ADULTERY ON HIS FIRST WIFE WITH CINDY MCCAIN) MCCAIN HAS NOT BEEN BAPTIZED INTO A CHRISTIAN CHURCH HE IS NOT A MEMBER THE CHURCH IN ARIZONA. AND IF MEMORY SERVES ME I DON'T REMEMBER ANY MENTION OF CHARITIABLE DONATIONS BEING MADE TO SAID CHURCH WHEN HIS W-2 WAS RELEASED.

don't know much theology
GTJOHNS - are you a Christian? Did you become a Christian by being baptized and giving money to the church? Or by repenting and having faith in Christ?

The Bible teaches no such thing concerning baptism or any other work. Otherwise, how was the repentant thief on the cross saved? (Luke 23:43) And don't come back at me with Acts 2:38 - it doesn't say baptism is a requirement for salvation.

Besides, I don't care if he's Baptist, Catholic, Mormon, Eastern Orthodox, Jewish Orthodox, Hindu, or Athiest - if he's for constitutional limited government, I'm there.

Yes, I left out Muslim on purpose.


We have plenty of reasons not to vote for McCain - why not stick to those?

We are not ALL alike.....
Dobson doesn't speak for me....I don't even like the guy. And Hagee's followers are what we used to called Holy Rollers, only they don't shout any more in church, they just sit there and nod their heads, and blindly vote the way the head honcho tells them to. (Or not). I am a born again Christian but I make up my own mind about who to support in politics; I don't need a helping hand from my pastor, in fact I find that quite annoying.
McCain is all right in my book. I like the fact that he is a rebel and I am concerned about what he will do in office, not what the evangelicals say.

I highly doubt
I highly doubt all of Hagee or Dobsons admirers are so mindless as to ask for either ones opinion on who to vote for. Sounds like a tongue in cheek insult to such Christians to me.

Sounds like someone doesn't want our vote, and is quite vocal about it. Maybe Mr. Barr won't hold us in such low esteem!

Novak, fraud is a crime
The very people who are in a position to expose the frauds are the ones who help fraud grow, who present these fake holymen as though they are genuine Christians and should be taken seriously.
I wonder if Mr. Novak touches his tv screen for a miracle when Pat Robertson tells his gullible viewers they should do that. I wonder if Mr. Novak has ever heard of Christ and can see any Christ in these hate-filled hypocrites who love money and who love attention and power, whose gross self-aggrandizing and ridiculous ramblings, on-air healings for pay are such glaring inconsistencies with the Christian faith. They know the mind of God and are accountable to no one and are lining their own pockets. They tell us all about who God is angry with and who God is punishing. Do you really want the future president of the United States to associate with these hypocrites, and perhaps even be influenced by them?
I am dumbfounded anyone would think that disavowing these frauds is equal to disavowing people whose Christian faith is genuine.

"evangelical problem"
I know how this lifelong Republican, conservative Christian will vote if McCain associates with another televangelist.
Jesus was kind toward sinners and harsh toward hypocrites, Mr. Novak. This so-called "evangelical problem" is ridiculous. The media makes up the news. The media has always looked the other way as evangelicals are bilked by their con artist leaders. These faithfuls have been exploited and lied to and stolen from long enough. They deserve to be respected, not patronized. McCain is looking very hypocritical to me. I was excited about him but have serious doubts now. He has lost his principles. He will do anything for a vote, just like the rest.

Wake up!
Obama had a communist mentor when he was in high school in Hawaii. He is being investigated for that. His friends (William Ayers and wife) are convicted communist terrorists. His minister, the "Reverend" Jeremiah Wright, is as anti-American as they come with his GDAmerica, KKKUSA,etc..Obama refuses to salute the flag. His African half-brother, uncle, etc. in Africa are political agitators. He was raised a Muslim and admitted when push came to shove he would side with the Muslims. All this, and you people sit around whining with your two-bit opinions about John Hagee, Rod Parsley, James Dodson, evangelicals and other matters that should be of little concern. Years ago my mother attended a series of lectures designed to educate people about the Communist Party and how they intended to take over the USA. I was a child, and when my mother said they planned to put people in key positions and when the time was right, they would take over. In my childish innocence I thought the military, utilities companies, and the police would hold these key people and one day we would wake up and find ourselves a communist nation; however, now that years have passed, I see it is happening. These people are subversively conducting their work in key positions: the Supreme Court (Kelo vs. Conn.) the news media (always slanted; facts withheld) our universities and high schools; Congress (socialistic legislation, RINOS) the ACLU with its unending string of burdensome lawsuits for taxpayers and anti-American activities. Why don't you put your time and energy to good use?
Research this man who could become our next president and spread the word about the danger this country is in. I'm signing off...
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