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Saturday, April 26, 2008
Robert Novak :: Townhall.com Columnist
McCain's Money Mess
by Robert Novak
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WASHINGTON, D.C -- Big-time Republican contributors are complaining that prospective presidential nominee John McCain is poorly organized for the campaign and off to a bad start in raising money.

McCain begins well behind Democrat Barack Obama in the 2008 money derby, and longtime Republican givers say there is no coherent plan for catching up and getting ahead.

The bright spot for McCain in the opinion of the GOP money men is the presence in his campaign of New York investment banker Lew Eisenberg, an experienced Republican fund-raiser. Eisenberg, a pro-choice social liberal who has often contributed to Democrats, was attacked by conservatives when he came on board with McCain in 2007. When McCain clinched the nomination, Eisenberg was sent to the Republican National Committee as victory finance chairman.

UNGUIDED BILL

Bill Clinton's campaigning in Pennsylvania just before Tuesday's primary antagonized Democrats who did not necessarily support Sen. Hillary Clinton against Sen. Barack Obama.

"He is an unguided missile who occasionally hits his wife accidentally," said former campaign consultant Bob Shrum, who has not endorsed anybody for president this year. Shrum's comments came after Clinton had accused the Obama campaign of "playing the race card," and the next day denied saying that (and added a profanity).

Although the former president may be out of control, the Clinton campaign has not put him on the bench. He continues to campaign for his wife in small towns, where he remains popular.

MCCAIN FOR GUNS

Sen. John McCain, continuing to mend his right-wing fences, will do something next month that George W. Bush never has done during seven and a half years as president: attend a National Rifle Association event.

McCain plans to be in Louisville, Ky., on May 16 for the NRA's "Celebration of American Values." Also on hand will be two of McCain's defeated rivals for the Republican presidential nomination, Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee.

The NRA gave McCain a mediocre C-plus rating in 2004, but since then his pro-gun voting record as a senator has been 100 percent. While some activists in the gun-ownership movement are still suspicious of McCain, his voting is vastly better than that of his two Democratic opponents, Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton. Each is graded F by the NRA.

NON-MCCAIN LINE

Sen. John Ensign the Senate Republican campaign chairman who faces the loss of more seats to the Democrats this year, is putting out the word that it is all right for GOP Senate candidates to publicly disagree with presidential nominee John McCain.

McCain currently opposes mainline Republican policy on numerous issues, including global warming, stem cell research, immigration and energy (including drilling in Alaska).

A footnote: National Republican operatives are coming to the aid of Sen. Norm Coleman, an endangered incumbent Republican in Minnesota. They are attacking his Democratic opponent, comedian Al Franken, who paid a $25,000 fine this month for failing to comply with New York disability insurance regulations for employees of his corporation.

MILLION DOLLAR SEAT

Stunned by results of Tuesday's special congressional election in Mississippi, Republican strategists are saying it will require spending at least $1 million to save the House seat for the GOP.

The Democratic candidate, County Clerk Travis Childers, fell only 700 votes shy of winning the strongly conservative northern Mississippi district outright without a runoff. Massive financial help from Washington is expected by Republican strategists to be necessary to save the seat for Southaven Mayor Greg Davis against Childers in the May 13 runoff. The seat, in a district that George W. Bush carried for president in 2004 with 62 percent of the vote, became vacant when Republican Roger Wicker was appointed to the Senate.

Childers, a social conservative, is better known through the district than Davis. The Democrat's strong showing Tuesday also reflected the nationwide Republican malaise, which extends even to the Deep South.

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and are you surprised....
this is what happens when you select and support and less than suitable candidate. But this is what the conservatives do, fall lock step regardless of what the truth is.

You people are so smart why not vote for Rush, write his name in, since you follow and believe in everything he says.

After having a alcoholic President in office, why not give a drug addict a chance. After all isn't that the great White American way, just work hard and you can do anything you choose to?

McLame's lack of administrative ability
Novak has clearly outlined how weak a candidate McLame really is - not only is he just a legislative political preener but his administrative experience is simply running his Senate office and a jet aircraft.

At one of the most crucial times, finance wise, in this nation's history, the dearth of talent we have to choose from for the presidency is indeed depressing.

VIC - I agree - McLame does not inspire the GOP troops nor their financial contributions. What money he might receive would come from special interests that would require a quid pro quo - and wasn't that what McLame/Feingold was meant to avoid? He'll probably end up on public financing with all the disadvantages that entails.

If McLame wins - a dubious prospect - it will be because the dhimicrats stunk more than the electorate could stand - he'll have been the least undesirable of the choices.

here is a conservative candidate
There is a party called The New American Independent Party, and they have been active for 4 years. This year they conducted a run off vote to select a candidate for President, and the person who won that vote is a fellow named Frank McEnulty. I am convinced he gives us the best shot at a credible campaign that could win if we mobilize enough folks.
Frank's positions on the issues are very close to mine and I have no qualms about giving him my support.

You can check out his website,http://frankforpresident.org/

as well as the party's site, http://newamericanindependent.com/

also here http://www.firesociety.com/article/23926/My-Presidential-C ampaign/

All I ask it to check him out for yourself – people we need to unite behind a true conservative.

McCain might be getting it.
No Mitt, No Money, No McCain. I know that many have e-mailed McCain this very thing. I work hard for my money, and can't part with it until I am assured that my views are addressed. Romney address' those issues. McCain has been told my many GOP heads in Most states that they know the fundraising floodgates will open, if Mitt is piced to be veep. But if he's not, were hunkering down for 4 years of democrate rule and need every penny we have.

Can't help the thought that McCain brought this one on himself.


Frank25



http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/03/28/b loggers_press_mccain_adviser_on_immigration
“John McCain’s position on immigration is very clear and this a question that gets asked at townhall appearances everyday in media appearances and has answered the question at least a thousand times before the New Hampshire primary,” Schmidt said.

He explained, “Any person who supports John McCain’s campaigns is a subscriber to John McCain’s views"

He has said he will sign McCain/Kennedy into law.
A vote for McCain is a vote for surrender of your country. They will use your vote as proof that you want amnesty.


McCain keeps saying "Secure the border first". We know that he means amnesty next. The plan is to get the border state Gov's to declare the border secure. Conveniently, they are all on board the cheap labor express. Then his good friend Ted Kennedy will bring back McCain/Kennedy and McCain can provide his good friends across the aisle with their new permanent majority.

I will not vote for amnesty.

Conservatism
Someone said conservatism is dead.It really is not,but it is suffering from heart failure and is in ICU.Many voters have not changed,but those we vote in have.Especially, when they get to Washingtom.

I can name several from my state who ran on a conservative platform,locally,but joined Teddy Kennedy,and others,after they were elected.They learn to 'go along, to get along'.Of course,they usually don't last after their first term.

A Republican cannot get elected in my area,if he runs as a liberal,IN ANYTHING.Sometimes they turn rotten and we have to turn them out.That is as it should be.

Correction to prior post
Hillary and Obama "WILL NOT "support Constition or maintain strong military per Presidential Oath. Both bave proved that by their past actions and votes. Voting for, before voting against translates to indicisiveness that the office cannot tolerate. And voting "present" for so many state issues in Illinois Senate is not a decisive person. When decisions are made after discussion and advise from experts in cabinet postions, Oval Office cannot tolerate a wishy-washy person.

Bloggers Press McCain Adviser on Immigra
With 3 major party candidatesd,Hillary,Obama and McCain why stay hung on past. I lived through 78 years of mixed leadership. Kennedy forced missiles out of Cuba, but removed our missiles from Europe and ensured we would not invade Cuba. We lived with Castro offshore, spreading his terroristic ways and communism to other countries. Carter removed support from Shah, and the leadership of Iran has been enemy since, Carter also returned Panama canal to Panamanians and we had short war to remove Noriega and put crimp into drug trade. Clinton cut military, and considered killing and bombing of our barracks, embassies, ships, WTC in 1993 as police action. His bombing of empty training camp and pharmaceutical factory convinced OSAMA we were toothles. Directly led to 2001 bombing of WTC by Osama with Wahhabi terrorists. After 17 U.N. resolutions, War was final and only option. And with Osama in Afghanistan/Pakistan with the Taliban, Saddam was financing and supporting terrorists. Had been for years, and was not living up to 1990-91 agreements. Hillary and Obama will support strong military, or defend the Constitution per the Presidential Oath. McCain was born of strong military family, pilot, POW, served 22 years in Navy in Command Positions. Then served in legislation showing western independence to several presidents, senators, and house members. Arizona has reelected him over and over, and I will take his word that "he has learned his lesson about border security, identification, immigration, and healthcare. We need to look to future and be sure the right president is on duty 24/7, not just at 3 AM. This position requires 24/7 for 4 year periods. And I trust he will choose a VP who can step in as Cheney has, when needed/ or if needed. As unaffiliated i do not want the Speaker of House in the Oval Office. Now, lets elect a leader, not someone who wants to be.

Not a dime for McCain
I am praying everyday for a McCain defeat. A McCain presidency is the worst thing that can happened to this country. He is a far left liberal in Republican clothing. Then again, maybe he IS the face of the Republican Party in 2008. He must not win.

Lieberman Is a Liberal
Winston829

Boutte didn't bring Lieberman's religion into the discussion, you did. Other than the WOT, there is not a single issue that Liberman isn't liberal on. I wouldn't care if Lieberman were Catholic, Evangelical, or whatever. He's a LIBERAL. He's also a life-long Democrat.

One of the few bright spots about McCain is that he is so old that he's unlikely to run for a second term.

I am waiting for you to declare that anyone who doesn't support Obama is a racism.

xpressit - McCain is symptomatic...
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...of the general malaise (how Carter-esque!) caused by the "Rockefeller Republican" dominance of the GOP when it comes to having worn out the last shred of pretense that there's anything of a truly American conservative purpose left in the national party.

You're correct when you say that "...it is a broader problem...," but wrong when you confine it just to fundraising.

It is instead symptomatic of a disconnection between the "Rotarian Socialist" Old Boys' Network style of the RNC and the real, honest-to-Jefferson conservative majority in the American population.

In the latter half of the 20th Century, the GOP tried to become the "Big Tent" under which the efforts of four widely disparate groups of people joined political strength.

(1) The "Court Party" seekers of powers and perks supporting state capitalism (a regime of highly concentrated private ownership, subsidized and protected by government)

(2) The "National Greatness Conservative" neocons (like McCain) who see no problem in cancerous government growth as long as they can use its power to run the whole goddam planet

(3) The "Holy Roller" religious whackjobs (pushing every kind of faith-based dumbpuckery imaginable)

(4) The rule-of-law "limited government" libertarians who demand nothing more - or less - than uncompromising enforcement of the U.S. Bill of Rights.


That "Big Tent" has betrayed the ideals of the self-responsible, mind-your-own-goddam-business majority of Americans who make up the productive portion of our society.

Categories (1), (2), and (3) are enemies of this nation, and no party harboring such people can ever connect with the Constitution, much less achieve an electoral majority.

Ever.

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Mc-Money
I am a little baffled why he terms it Mc's money mess, snce it is a broader problem infecting the whole GOP fundraising. I could not blame McCain for the whole mess as tempting as it sounds.

kitchen sink columns
Maybe Novak should be on Hillary's campaign since he is fond of throwing everything in, like the kitchen sink grabage disposal. His columns read more like self-memos or diary blurbs just waiting for the main entre, in this case the glue to hold it all together.

charlie, you do not need
to apologize for voting for the Libertarian candidate. You will be joined by millions of other conservatives who are fed up with the GOP.

PJ and Virginia Patriot,
Like you mentioned I have been doing the exact same thing. Each RNC (or RNSC) request for donation is written: "$0 donated. Why? Until the Republican Party chooses to support true conservative principles and candidates I refuse to donate nationally. Until then my financial support will go to local conservatives only."

I also take the time to fill out the various questionaires (many from Senator Ensign) with my thoughts on John McCain being forced down our throats, President Bush's record, amnesty, and whatever other questions they ask. Often the questions are worded in such a way that you can underline specific sections to frame your answer.
I don't know whether they read the answers, but I feel better saying it anyway. There are many other TH posters who report doing the same.

ALL go back via the courtesy postage.

charlie
If any of those solicitattions have pre-paid postage send them back. I always include a note, "Not one dime until someone enforces the law and secures the border". Lately it's been "Amnesty John McCain? Are you kidding?" I like to sign of with GOP-RIP.

For me, it all depends on McCain's VP
If he picks a real conservative, someone who is solid on the economy, the war and on issues like abortion and constitutional rights, then I'll vote for McCain, who I think is an honorable man even if he often butts heads with the GOP establishment. If he picks a liberal VP, though, forget it.

On the plus side for him - the Dems are tearing each other apart. My mom, a lifelong Dem, told me she cannot vote for Obama in the general. She has always voted, but she'll stay home if he's the nominee. I know lots of Dems who will do that, or vote third party or even for McCain if Obama is the candidate.

Like Charlie,
I refuse to contribute one nickel to the RNC to assist the likes of Juan McShame. But I don't toss the request into the trash. I write in red magic marker that I will never support a promoter of scamnesty across the request, put it in their postage-paid envelope, and return it - - at THEIR cost.

After all, Juan would cost the USA its sovereignty, its language, its jobs - - and would institute instead the North American Union with its borderless, tri-lingual, universal citizenship continent.

I'm voting third-party - - unless I vote for CHillary (if she gets the nomination), because the b*tch will be out for blood, mostly from her fellow Dimocrats and the remaining Republicans won't be inclined to do her any favors.

McCains Money mess................
Well it is no wonder that our parties candidate is in a fiscal termoil, `The Wealthiest Opinion minded' never wanted him and with held money for him.
Now they scream he is in a mess, well who got him there, `You economic wonders did'. I can see how Bush ended up driving this country into the poor house, with all the sound business strategy you gave him. You selfish, liars and thieves.
Bigots that think of yourself only, while our nation and party goes down the tube.
You are all ethnic/poloitical Bastards, that crave only cash, Here have a buck on me.

Like Charlie,
I refuse to contribute one nickel to the RNC to assist the likes of Juan McShame. But I don't toss the request into the trash. I write in red magic marker that I will never support a promoter of scamnesty across the request, put it in their postage-paid envelope, and return it - - at THEIR cost.

After all, Juan would cost the USA its sovereignty, its language, its jobs - - and would institute instead the North American Union with its borderless, tri-lingual, universal citizenship continent.

I'm voting third-party - - unless I vote for CHillary (if she gets the nomination), because the b*tch will be out for blood, mostly from her fellow Dimocrats and the remaining Republicans won't be inclined to do her any favors.

THIS HAS GONE FAR ENOUGH!
Someone mentioned that McCain met in England with the Rothschilds. He'll have enough money, I know. I cannot in good conscience accept his nomination. He is a vile egotist with a history of disrespectful, seditious acts like McCain-Kennedy. I suggest you tell a lawyer about http://www.petitiononline.com/JDAlvey1/petition.html - we all know McCain is breaking the law, and if the FEC cannot do anything, WE THE PEOPLE SHOULD!!!!

And get the best person you can to run in the Constitution Party.

McAmnesty
John McCain's problem is that he left the conservative base. He is desperately trying to rein in Independents and Democrats not realizing he is a traitor to his own party! We have over 30 million illegal immigrants in this country and we, as taxpayers, are spending over 349 billion dollars a year in their support! McAmesty wants to give these people citizenship? Open borders? For those of you who have not seen the video's and pictures of our Southern border (Arizona being one - McAmesty's home state) - the absolute destruction of public and private property by illegals, the rape tents, the murders and deaths, then you need to be informed. There is proof of terrorists crossing our borders but our elected officials don't care - including Bush- because of big business, lobbyists and the pandering for fraudulent illegal votes. Illegals that cross our borders do not have health checks, much less any financial stability - McCain, along with the multitude of elected politicians including RINO'S do not care about the citizens - or the fact that hospitals have to close or the because of anchor babies the 30 million will soon increase to what? 50 million you will be expected to support? John McCain needs the conservative vote - but at the rate he is going he probably won't get it.

Ron hit the nail on the head:
"Get the vote out to elect conservatives to the House and Senate to get a large majority and stop any of the Terrible Trio from doing anything."

Fewer chickens are coming home to roost on the remaining framework of the GOP. Political parties are a conglomeration of people with different ideas of how to steer the country in a general direction. The GOP went in the wrong direction and lost the support of a large number of their members who now refuse to roost in the old GOP chicken coop.

Those of us who feel betrayed by the national GOP need to get back to basics and work at the local level to install good, creative conservatives in the Congress. Make no mistake: this is hard to do and will require a long, dedicated effort to achieve. But it must be done.

2008
This election year, every piece of donation solicitation I am getting (and it's way too many) from any "national Republican" organization is going straight into the paper recycling tub in the garage!
I am donating directly to the CONSERVATIVE running in my US House District and directly to the campaign of my CONSERVATIVE US Senator. I am also donating to other CONSERVATIVE candidates of the Republican Party across the country running in both US House and US Senate races via websites established for this purpose, but I shall be voting for the Libertarian candidate for US President, sorry.

Republican Malaise
Speaking for this former Republican, I have no malaise; I'm just pissed as hell than the party completely lost its moorings. There is no conservative party in the USA. As far as I am concerned the damn batch can go straight to hell.

A major victory and validation today!
"Sen. John Ensign the Senate Republican campaign chairman who faces the loss of more seats to the Democrats this year, is putting out the word that it is all right for GOP Senate candidates to publicly disagree with presidential nominee John McCain."
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Senatory Ensign will be remembered kindly by the party base for his recognition of reality.

For those throwing panicked hissy fits over conservatives refusing to support McCain, I point to that paragraph as proof of the validity of our strategy. Many politicians are beginning to understand that the price of abandoning limited government principles, and supporting those who do, is just too high.

I have no doubt that with our continued resistance to GOP capitulation to the left, we will be victorious over the long run.

zedsmom...
Excuse my rudely butting in, but I would like to attempt to attempt to answer your question with one statement... well a quote, actually:

"It's a stupid piece of legislation." zedsmom: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 9:30 PM

That's enough for me.

I've had enough stupid legislation to last a lifetime. I desire to not see nor experience any more stupid legislation.

Ever.

Be it campaign finance reform, taxation, hampering oil production, greenhouse gases (ok ok... I'm fine with legislation making it a national pastime to mock Albert Gore, Jr. and his silly little films), *%$#?ing ethanol, immigration amnesty... it's all stupid legislation to me, and the only reason I need.

I plan on voting Libertarian because I simply in good concience can not vote for any of those three Democrats - McCain, Clinton, or Obama.

BTW... this isn't a 'I Hate McCain' rant; I just deeply, profoundly disagree with the man.

Thanks...

Hey everybody!
Hows that "Big Tent" thingy working out, that the CFR trotsky commies (neocons) started in the republican party?

Newt is very happy and so is Hillary. How about you?

You have all been duped, the joke is on y'all. Ha ha ha ha! Idiots.

Zedsmom
I would argue that we currently have the McCain because in past elections conservatives have gone along to get along.

Every election since Reagan left office, the Grand Old Party floats the same old doom and gloom to get the conservatives and the moderates who lean conservative to fall in line.

You are correct that McCain would not be as bad overall as either of the Dems. The time has come, however, for conservatives to fight for tommorrow. After 4 years of the Libs running the show I'm guessing the Grand Old Party might think about backing a conservative for the next election. Without Carter there would have been no Reagan.

Artis
I don't stray into delusional thinking. I have a McCain office phone number and an address through which I express my concerns and disagreements. I take advantage of that information to express my concerns frequently. While it may have no impact, I am satisfied that I have done all I can.

My greatest concern is that Clinton or Obama will go into office with a Congress lead by Reid and Pelosi. With the internal problems in our country, i.e. education, illegal immigration, rising numbers of violent crimes, crumbling infrastructure, welfare state out of control, etc., plus military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, I have grave concerns over what can happen in a four year period.

John McCain was not my first choice. But, now that he is the choice of more votes than I alone can cast, I think the time of public name calling should be over for the sake of those who think the Republican Party can do a better job than the Democrats. I realize that is not a popular thought.

Who, with any possibility of being elected, will do a better job than McCain? Clinton or Obama? Do you think either of those will stab me in my back? I think they will just cut my throat and the throats of all others who have worked their lifetimes paying taxes and obeying the law. It is a political/social experiment many seem eager to try. Not I.

Feel The Pain of Voting McCain

Quoting John McCain's comment in 2004:

"I believe my party has gone astray. I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy."

He has said Obama and Hillary would make good Presidents, so who am I to argue?

I'll be picking "other" than R or D.

zedsmom
BE proud, you are just the kind of republican voter John McCain is looking for. That is: One he can stab in the back, talk down to and insult all while voting like a "Maverick" and you will continue to do what he tells you to do.

If you think he McCain is going to live up to his word on stopping illegals I suggest you check out his past voting record.

not ashamed to be right
I stopped, prepared dinner, had dinner with my husband, looked at the rain falling and decided not to go for a walk. Thank you for so carefully keeping up with my time. I didn't know that I was crimping your day and evening so terribly. I am getting 'nastier'? I am being facetious.

Note there is nothing on the 'blog'. Get a laugh there. It was set up by accident and won't come down despite my requests and assurances that it will.

Are you saying that I can't post here? Or, are you saying that you would rather I didn't?

zedsmom - What have you lost?
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Kvetches zedsmom (regarding McCain-Feingold):

"It's a stupid piece of legislation. I can't see where I have suffered a loss or an impact. I'm waiting for you to point out at least three."


I'll name just one, and that's more than enough.

Go to http://tinyurl.com/63zekj to find a column posted here on Townhall.com (20 February 2008), in which you'll read the following:


"California businessman Holmes Tuttle and two other principled conservatives approached Reagan about running for office, Reagan said no.

"But Tuttle kept after Reagan, asking him not to reject the idea out of hand. He formed 'Friends of Reagan' to raise money in case Reagan changed his mind.

"He asked Reagan to give his famous 'Rendezvous With History' speech at a $1,000-a-plate Republican fundraiser in Los Angeles and then bought airtime for the speech to be broadcast on TV days before the 1964 presidential election.

"The epochal broadcast didn't change the election results, but it changed history. That single broadcast brought in nearly $1 million to the Republican Party - not to mention millions of votes for Goldwater.

"After the astonishing response to Reagan's speech and Tuttle's continued entreaties, Reagan finally relented and ran for governor. In 1966, with the help, financial and otherwise, of a handful of self-made conservative businessmen, Reagan walloped incumbent Edmund G. (Pat) Brown, winning 57 percent of the vote in a state with two Democrats for every Republican.

"The rest is history - among the brightest spots in all of world history."



But today - under Democrat "campaign finance reform" laws like McCain-Feingold - that wouldn't be possible.

For reasons discussed in the aforementioned column.

Read it and come back.

If you don't feel that as a "loss," then you're a Democrat - and to hell with you.

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SJDoc
'Stupid is as stupid does', isn't that the quote?

Whatever you think is going to bring the GOP to its knees, have at it and follow the latter part of my advice, do it BIG, i.e. signs, bumper stickers, tee shirts, buttons, push cards. You want to build a base go for it. There are certainly a lot of people who have changed their registration to Independent to recruit along with unhappy Republicans.

Again, I will be watching TV to see the groundswell of political change. I am curious if the Stupid Party, to use your term, can or will catch on.

zedsmom, 5:28pm you
checked out, mentioning you may or may not be back. Yet here you are again at 9:02 pm. For someone who claims to be so busy outside of TH life I find it interesting that you posted 22 times on this column alone since 11:03 AM (plus you have a TH blog as well.) Guess you just couldn't stay away after all? Stop trying so hard to convince those of us who do not support McCain (which may or may not translate into actually voting or not voting for him.)In my opinion, your posts just get nastier and more unkind the more you try to force your point home.

SJDoc
Of the rights/things you have personally lost under McCain-Feingold, your greatest personal impact and loss has come from:

Name three things you as a citizen have lost through McCain-Feingold that has impacted you in your daily life.


It's a stupid piece of legislation. I can't see where I have suffered a loss or an impact. I'm waiting for you to point out at least three. If it's big enough to constantly rant about, it will be easy to list three loses/impacts.

zedsmom - Wrong on 3rd party candidates
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Misadvises zedsmom:

"Don't vote for John McCain and rejoice in that decision. Don't vote for a third party as that misplaced vote will, most likely benefit the Dem nominee. Go straight for the gusto and vote for the Dem who gets the nomination."


Nope. What that will do is drive the Republican Party further toward the left, in pursuit of those "Democrat converts" stupid enough to take your advice and go over to the Dark Side.

Republicans more like Democrats.

*JUST* what we need.

Sheesh.

On the other hand, voting for an established "third-party" candidate - someone with a published platform consisting of policies more congruent with your own American conservative political position - will have a positive effect upon the scumbuckets who run the GOP.

The Republican politician counts every vote cast for the candidates of conservative parties - including those for the so-called "anarchist loonies" of the Libertarian Party - as votes that would *NEVER* have been cast for a Democrat "Evil Party" politician.

Libertarian, Constitutionalist, and Conservative Party ballots are *ALWAYS* looked upon by the Republicans as votes they should've had.

If only the GOP weren't really the "Stupid Party."

Every time an American conservative votes for a principled "third party" candidate, he's sending a message straight to RNC headquarters.

That message reads: "Look sharp, you @ssholes! You want my vote? No more of this RINO sh!t."

Your vote is not Republican simply because the Democrats are slightly more thoroughgoing sonzabitches than their "bipartisan" colleagues.

The GOP has to *EARN* your vote.

Tell them so.

Or suffer the consequences.

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Considering McCain-Feingold...
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...(more correctly known as the "Bipartisan No More Ronald Reagan Upstarts Incumbent Protection Act of 2002"), isn't it just *TOO* pucking perfect that we should be reading the following:

"Big-time Republican contributors are complaining that prospective presidential nominee John McCain is poorly organized for the campaign and off to a bad start in raising money."


Gee, I wonder why it is that the single most treasonous saboteur in the history of the Republican Party should be experiencing election funding problems now that he's the presumptive presidential nominee.

Could it be that American conservatives hate John McCain so heartily that the one most heartfelt hope among us is for his sudden and painful death?





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"I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected, that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I'd rather have the clean government."

-- John McCain (defending McCain-Feingold by raping the Bill of Rights)

skep, Sam, Handsome, Svara
Don't vote for John McCain and rejoice in that decision. Don't vote for a third party as that misplaced vote will, most likely benefit the Dem nominee. Go straight for the gusto and vote for the Dem who gets the nomination. Put signs in your yard and bumper stickers on your car. Hand out push cards and wear buttons on your candidate's tee shirt with his or her face and name on it. Really get into it so the rest of the voting population knows you just won't take anymore. Make a point with the Republicans. Bring them to their knees. Make them sorry. Be sure to wear your Dem sombrero while you are doing it and help the Dems court the Hispanic vote. I'll watch for you on TV. I think you're on to something big.

McCain
Is doing poorly thus far across the board. He looks very old and he does not look well.

He is doing poorly with regard to raising money because the conservative base does not support him and he presents himself poorly. Few are geared up over him.

He is lucky that he is going up against 1 of 2 dems that are very left of center. If a stronger dem were running McCain would be in worse trouble.

A chilling story it is, Chillers
The Republican Party has rejected us. The choices are four: vote for McCain, Barack, or Hillary; choose the Constitution Party; don't vote for a candidate that's on the ballot; or RECLAIM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY (by seeing my above post and also going to http://www.thompsoncoalition.com)!!!!!

Very funny, SVARA! :)
Please pass on the word about http://www.petitiononline.com/JDAlvey1/petition.html

I do not believe it is futile to fight this critical battle. Through prayer & perseverance, we may still reclaim our government! It starts with drawing the line about McCain.


Stop shoving McCain down our throats
When will the majority of these disgusted Americans defy the media and say the media does not deserve attention or control over elections?

I intend to provoke no one here, but just to explain why I will not be silent about McCain.

Go to http://www.renewamerica.us/news.php?s=3495
and click on "8 Reasons I Won't Vote for John McCain". Certainly I was most alarmed by this segment:

"Sen. McCain refused to help me when I fought to pray 'in Jesus' name' as a Navy chaplain. When I walked into his office on Capitol Hill, two of his liberal staffers told me I should water down my prayers and stop praying 'in Jesus' name.' McCain will surround himself with similar liberal appointees in key White House positions."

I am sensible and practical enough to know that our society has become secularist enough to not currently want Alan Keyes. I still back Fred Thompson and encourage you to visit http://www.thompsoncoalition.com, where you will find friends like me via a message board!



Bad times ahead--
Since most of us know that our choices of the 3 Dims are pro amnesty, it looks as if it could be a dismal future. I too have received solicitations for juan mac. I didn't have any pesos to send him and if I did, I would use them as fertilizer.

Actually I have heard that there are two very good qualities that all 3 of these candidates have: they are biodegradable, and they would appear to make good speed bumps on the southern border so the drug runners would maybe slow down.

MONEY MESS? THATS NOT HIS ONLY MESS!
MCCAIN IS SOUNDING SO WEAK HE'S EVEN HAVING REPUBLICANS THINK HILLARY NOW IS MORE CONSERVATIVE!! WOW! NOT A GOOD THING FOR MCCAIN TO HEAR!

OBAMA? HE THINKS HE HAS A JUMP SHOT BUT WE ALL KNOW "DEFENSE" WINS GAMES! U LIVE BY THE JUMPSHOT YOU DIE BY THE JUMPSHOT!! HILLARY HAS ALREADY BLOCKED HIS SHOT!!

WELL, WELL, WELL!! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HILLARY CLINTON WOULD BE THE BEST CANDADATE OUT THERE? NOT ME BUT....SHES NOW LOOKING LIKE THE FRONT RUNNER AND WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP INCREASING HER LEAD!!

OBAMA AND HIS SUPPORTERS DONT KNOW THIS YET BUT HE'S DONE! HE CAN THANK THE PERSON WHO HE USED TO GET WHERE HE'S AT AND BLAME THE SAME MAN FOR RUINING HIS CHANCES!! 2 WORDS "REVEREND WRIGHT"!!

YOU DONT THINK FOR ONE MOMENT "BUYERS REMORSE" HAS SET IN YET? LOL! I FEEL BAD FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE PRIMARYS FOR HIM AND HAD NO IDEA WHO THIS MAN WAS AND NOW REGRETS IT AND IS PULLING FOR CLINTON NOW BUT CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT SINCE THEIR STATE ALREADY VOTED!!

INDIANA GOES TO CLINTON!! ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT THINKS ANY DIFFERENT IS NOT PAYING ATTENTION!! SHE WILL WIN IT AND CONTINUE TO TURN THE TIDE UNTIL ALL POLLS SHOW SHES THE CANDADATE TO RUN UP AGAINST MCCAIN FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION....

SHE IS NOW AHEAD OF MCCAIN ANYWAY AS OF TODAY IF RUNNING AGAINST HIM IN THE GENREAL SO ITS FAIR TO SAY HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!!

END OF STORY!! ONLY THING IS THIS IS NOT A STORY ITS WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN BUT HAPPEN IN DUE TIME SO NOT TO SEEM LIKE ELECTION WAS STOLEN BY HER OVER OBAMA!! GET IT????? ITS OVER!!

Mississippi Morons
That so-called 'socially conservative Democrat' is going to go to Washington and vote with Nancy Pelosi. There is no such thing as a moderate Democrat. If you vote for any Dem you're voting for socialism.

Attention Conservatives
You are no longer welcome to post on TH. This site is officially for moderates only. Go and get your own blog.

reality check
Without the right wing, the Republican party would have been out of power far earlier than that ride ended. The right wing has been the base, the core. The first choices of the right wing fared no better than Fred Thompson.
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When Reagan talked about conservative prinicples he brought the majority of this center right nation together. When the RR spews over it's lunatic verision of conservatism they divide even the republican party. By definition, these RR wing nuts are a minority and always have been.
The only president the RR will cliam is Reagan, and I've already shown the huge difference between Reagan conservatism, and the RR.
The reason the party is in trouble is we are no longer seen as the party of Reagan, but as the party of Rush and that hater Coulter. Republicans need to walk away from these haters by electing McCain ... over their lunatic howling. When that happens, repubicans will once again be the majority party of this center right nation. And there endth politics 101

RR lunatics!
McCain is definitely the most anti-conservative candidate the Republican party has ever run. Conservatives did not make him our candidate. We were played like a fiddle by "the system."
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You make these lunatic statements and expect to be taken seriously?

McCain has a life time conservative rating around 80%, and you RR wing nuts say he's not pure enough? You Jihadis won't settle for anything less than your ideological burka ... something not even Reagan would wear. Take your lunatic version of conservativism and shove it up any opening you like. Get the hell out of the republican party ... you give us all a bad name!

zedsmom
I always vote for the person I think will do the least damage.I,too,supported Thompson and still think he had the best platform.He was for less government intervention in our lives.That was yesterday,though.

I have 'lost' many votes,but I voted my conviction and have never been sorry.I will do that again.I just think Sen.McCain needs to be careful how he 'bashes'(I despise that word)his own party.

I also think anything we say against him will make him more appetizing to moderates,who he is evidently courting.

Amnesty
I am totally and completely against amnesty for all illegal aliens, not just those coming across the southern border. If we do not know who is here, how can we claim we are securing our nation?

I am totally and completely in favor of penalizing employers who hire illegal aliens to the point they would have their businesses closed.

I am totally and completely in favor of deporting all illegal aliens caught in this country. No ifs, ands, buts, or exceptions of any nature. Start with the prison population as they are released.

I am totally and completely in favor of states taking on weeding out illegals and having them detained and deported. The federal government never fails to disappoint when charged with performing a duty such as this.

I am totally and completely unapologetic for my thoughts on illegal aliens.

I am not running, nor will I ever, for office. My gratuitous thoughts are simply for clarification.

My husband just came home, so life calls me elsewhere. I may or may not be back here. If not, and I have said something anyone wants to challenge, I will be here on TH another day.

Good weekend to all.

Tea Party
My husband swears that Congress does its best work when it is out of session. I agree, totally.

Reagan signed the bill. He was in conferences with House and Senate leaders before it went to his desk for signature. It was a clear error in judgment on Reagan's part. He signed it. He did not cause it to be sent back to get a vote to override a veto on his part. It was a clear error in judgment. It was wrong. It was Reagan's amnesty. It has had dire consequences. The numbers of illegals coming in after Reagan's clear error in judgment were/are far greater than after Eisenhower deported them.

Zedsmom
Who was in control of the Congress when Reagan
signed the amnesty bill? Who was in control of Congress that promised him and the American people it would be the last one? Ronald Reagan
is not entirely to blame, I lay the larger blame on the Congress that was and is in the pockets of the special interest groups that would/will benefit most from amnesty.

I haven't made up my mind about McC, as to voting or writing in, however I have every intention of voting down ticket. I probably won't know til I actually am in front of the ballot. I worry about the effect on our troops
if he isn't elected, an Obama election would be
an incentive for the insurgency to ramp up. Hama's leader in the U.S. (question: how does this terrorist leader get to remain in the country when he's a terror leader?)supports Obama. That should tell any thinking voter everything they need to know about Obama.

gf, Rowly
I stand by my statement that, if McCain is not your man, vote for someone else.

When I have stated any facts about anyone in the Republican primary, I was accused of supporting them or maligning them. McCain was not my first choice. He was not my last choice. I was very disappointed in Fred Thompson. Thompson was the person I thought would do a good job as POTUS. I was, quite obviously, wrong.

Without the right wing, the Republican party would have been out of power far earlier than that ride ended. The right wing has been the base, the core. The first choices of the right wing fared no better than Fred Thompson.

My primary point is that, at some point, Republicans need to realize that bashing McCain is their perogative, but, it will result in the election of Clinton or Obama. I have never held my nose to vote for someone. If my feelings were that strong, after research, having the benefit of others' thoughts, and listening to the candidate, I simply voted for someone else.

Rowly, I, again, publicly apologize to you. I am not always right or on the mark and don't mind being called out on it.

Zedsmom
Thank you.It really upset me me and I know you had me confused with someone else.I also read your posts and enjoy them.Thanks again.

THE EMOTIONAL MT. McCAIN
Just when I was starting to think of RINO, John McCain the hero as a man of the people, he tells me and my Real Republican folk "It's my way or the highway my friends" N. Carolina Republicans are not allowed to run their own legit party campaign adds in order to spotlight Sen. B.O.'s incredibility. In the following 24 hours my Man McCain does this Hammass connection speech, looking to prove the same point, personally, N. Carolina had it all over you John.

My point, John, you need money, friends and a lesson in how to speak Real Republican, probably a lesson in Campaign Naievity 101 would really help. That horse stuff about sticking to the issues ain't going to be squat when the fireworks are lit. You know John, if you can't campaign and win the POTUS, maybe you ought to step down from being a Senator and get a Border Patrolman's job. You get to drive the 4wd at night.

Rowly
I owe you a sincere apology. I did not read your post closely enough and thought you said you called him names. You simply said you did not like him. That gaff on my part is inexcusable. I do sincerely apologize. As I said previously, I do read your posts, though I skip over many others.

zedsmom
I don't care if some of these creeps ascribe something to me that I am not guilty of,but you are not one of them. I ask that you check any post and find where I have called him a name.

Also,I vote my conviction,whether it pleases anyone else is of no consequence to me.I have NEVER said I would not vote for McCain ! Never!I do want him to know he cannot take our vote for granted.

zedsmon
I appreciate your reply.Please show me one time I have called John McCain a name.You said it,now prove it.You cannot do it.I have called him Johnny.I don't consider that derogatory.

So
if a conservative voter does not want to support a candidate who has a history of expressing contempt for conservatives, he is now known as a RR. I'm not confident that the right is a radical as some think. If we are, the vote will tell.

I have voted straight Republican for at least 30 years. The Republican party has made a sharp turn to the left. I, too, am sick of all of the name calling. I'm also sick of having sticks poked in my eye.

McCain is definitely the most anti-conservative candidate the Republican party has ever run. Conservatives did not make him our candidate. We were played like a fiddle by "the system."

I truely do not know who to vote for. I may end up voting for no one, and see what all of those people who are so much smarter than me truely want. So be it.

Bob - cont.
Do you know what a fillibuster is? Do you know how often the Republicans have relied upon it? Do you realize you can't preserve it for the Republicans and deny it for the Democrats? Do you realize that a fillibuster kills a judicial nominee? Do you think preserving the right of fillibuster while blocking one and getting a Supreme Court nominee approved makes sense? What's your complaint about the 'Gang of 14'?

Do you know that 4 of the 5 people rebuked for the Keating 5 were Democrats? Do you know who Bob (not Bill) Bennett is? Did you know that he was the lawyer for the committee investigating this matter? Did you know that he (Bob Bennett) said his findings showed that McCain should not be included by the Democrats would not allow only Democrats to be tagged for wrong-doing and insisted that McCain be included? Did you know Bob Bennett is a Democrat and a lawyer well experienced in this area who had nothing to gain by saying McCain should not be included?

Get a grip. Give facts, not worn out, lies to support your argument. Leave the lying to the Democrats. They are more comfortable with it.

Bob
What part of McCain's pledge to ensure that the tax cuts under Bush will stay in place do you not understand?

I didn't vote for Swartzenegger in California. I voted for Bobby Jindal in the election in my state. No further discussion there.

I have no control over who decides to run for any office; I only have the choice to vote for one. No further discussion there.

RONALD REAGAN started the granting of AMNESTY. Bad mistake. Gross error in judgment. The flood gate opened; and, I dislike it as much, if not more, than you. George W. Bush wanted an amnesty bill sent to his desk and Congress would have obliged, but it never went to a vote. So, the question is who are you contacting in Congress to express your feelings and what are you doing about it on a local level? Don't moan and whine over McCain. That bill didn't even get to a vote. What's in your coffee? Wake up.

McCain-Feingold - Give me three examples specific to you as to how your 'free speech' has been denied. Specific to you as a citizen. Do you know what the purpose of the bill was? Do you realize how little effect it has had or do you latch onto the latest phrase to moan about?

cont.

McCain's leadership in doubt!
How low has this nation sunk in leadership? We have only three people,all conditioned to be liberal and high taxers. None of them qualify for leadership of the US let alone fight the battles of the world when none seem interested in joining with us to win.

I've given my last to the Rino party. I can only concentrate on the house and senate to get honest and capable leadership to stop whoever is elected from totally destroying this nation. Even the Swartzenegger governor is a Rino Republican.

Let's build the fences and place agents to defend the holes cut into the fence by coyotes and foxes. My savings will be depleted as I support new people in elected offices and especially California and DC. Andy

Rowly
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I have to get off the computer in a few minutes as, incredibly, I have a life other than sitting, reading, and writing here.

You want to call McCain names but then say you will vote for him as the lesser of the "evils". PLEASE. You want to deliver him DOA to the election then, grudgingly, go vote for him. The logic of that position completely escapes me, although I know many others who feel the same as you.

I am weary of this whole thing; but, I am most disappointed in anyone who would hack a hole in the bottom of a canoe and claim they are just trying to solve a problem while cursing because the canoe is sinking.

I have read too many of your posts to say that you don't have common sense or good judgment. But, you are just wrong here.

Frankly, if you keep calling names, just save your vote for someone other than McCain. Start praising Clinton or Obama. After all, the net effect of what you are doing is nothing less than supporting the victor of that race.

Thomas j Gassett
John McCain won without the conservative base.The base generally supported Romney and Huckabee.Liberals,Independents,the MSM and in many states,Democrats nominated McCain.

I think McCain will eventually getmost of the Republican base out of self-preservation.He does not need to alienate it any further,if he does want it,though.


RR is not conservative!
Every day,he says or does something to make me wonder if he wants conservatives votes,or does he throw us under the bus in order to appeal to more liberal thinking voters.Only time will tell. >>>

You need to get your terms right. RR wing nuts are not conservative. There is nothing conservative in burning down the party because the nominee doesn't wear you ideological burka.

The RR hasn't been happy with the party BEFORE OR SINCE Reagan.
Reagan 'never speak ill of another republican' was a Big Tent Conservative, not a RR wing fool. Lest we forget.

RR is not conservative!
Let McCain win without the conservative base, if he can.>>

The conservative base nominated McCain, stupid. What McCain has to do for the good of the party and the nation is win without the RR. You know, the people that turned conservative into a dirty word.

The Rush - ites, and the Coulterquist are hated by a majority of Americans, and that hatred is spread liberally over all republicans. The best thing for the party is to do to the RR what they want to do to McCain ... bury them and forget them!

Thomas J.Gassett & Zedsmom
I am one who does not like John McCain,I will admit.I am a political-minded person who has for many years watched the goings-on of politicians.

I have watched him treat his fellow Republicans worse than he did the other party.For the last several years,most would have thought he was a Democrat.

That is not a R.Reagan Republican.I have never heard Reagan say or do anything untoward against another Republican.If he thought it ,he kept it private.John McCain relishes doing the opposite,publically.

Having said all that,I still will vote against the Democrat nominee,whoever it is.McCain is the lesser of the two evils.I want him to know,he cannot take his base for granted,though.

Every day,he says or does something to make me wonder if he wants conservatives votes,or does he throw us under the bus in order to appeal to more liberal thinking voters.Only time will tell.

gf
I have considered whether or not things would have been better with Gore or Kerry. I think the country would have been in worse shape.

Bush has been stupidly stubborn or stubbornly stupid or a combination of both. In some areas it is hard to imagine that he could have been worse than he has been. However, Gore or Kerry would have given us the full picture of what much, much worse would have been.

How much did Gore spend on the female advisor he hired to teach him to dress and act like an Alpha Male?

How about that Purple Heart Kerry got from his throwing a hand grenade into a barrel of rice and having to get a bandaid for his 'injury'? Remember, he wasn't on the front, he was just amusing himself when he suffered this dreadful injury.

Thomas J Gassett
I will always admire and respect Ronald Reagan above all other presidents in the last forty years. He was an eloquent, thoughtful speaker who had original thoughts to set forth. The Republican Party and this country greatly benefited from him and should be grateful for the lessons given. (Obviously, many were absent for some of the lessons.)

He was not perfect. He did, after all, give amnesty to illegal aliens. He ignored what Eisenhower and Hoover did before him and broke down that wall as surely as he broke down the Berlin Wall. Encouraging illegal behavior is not the way to end illegal behavior.

Now some Republicans are so insistent that the candidate has to be so perfect, flawless that they have accepted CINOS and RINOS as the second coming of Reagan. Now, it is anyone but McCain.

So, back to my original question to all. Which of the Democrats are you supporting? Don't damage or bruise your closely held values and grudgingly vote for McCain. Have the courage of your values and do all you can to damage the country further. Then, refrain from whining.

Thomas J Gassett
Sheesh! So, Thomas, what do you really think?

C'mon. Don't you know scorched earth is the only Republican policy these days? After giving McCain so many denegrating names, someone should make money off a catelogue listing them all.

I see McCain as having succeeded in the Republican primary. End of story. Period. I, also, see him being delivered DOA to the general election due to the Republicans. Many rejoiced when he was on the skids last summer. Since the Phoenix from Phoenix prevailed, the name calling has reached a fever pitch.

As a realistic matter, either McCain or one of the Democrats will be elected. All other thought is delusional. The only thing I want to know is which Democrat the screamers support.

RR is over!
Big-time Republican contributors are complaining that prospective presidential nominee John McCain is poorly organized for the campaign and off to a bad start in raising money.
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McCain is off to a bad start raising money thanks to 'big-time republican contributors.'

Listen to the RR wing whores that chant Rino and laugh at McCains fund raising. I wonder what tune they will sing when McCain wins without, or more properly because he's not one of them?
The RR is in its death throws and are determined to take the republican party with them ... because it's not pure enough. These RRwing nuts sound like the Jihadis. Both have convicned themselves that burning everything down is how you save it.

Down with the RR and the scum determined to divide republicans in Rinos, McCainiacs, you name it. These freaks are not Reagan republicans. Reagan was a Big Tent republican not a luantic in an ideoloigical burka.

gf
The Supreme Court just ruled that lethal injection is acceptable. Assume you get that. Which Democrat do you support enough to get your vote?

The Republicans are taking care of delivering McCain DOA to the election, so which Democrat do you prefer?

I may be slow, but
GOP: "This is a crisis. Vote for Bush or you'll get Al Gore!!!"

GOP: "This is a crisis. Vote for Bush of you'll get John Kerry!!!"

GOP: "This is a crisis. Vote for McCain or you'll get.."

OK, I See. I get it!

gf
It's like having a baby and not having a name after nine months to think of one.

What is your current inclination? Why? And, don't say John McCain! I would rather that no one who has bashed him vote for him. I want them to "stand on" their "principles". I want them to be standing, so when they are told to bend over....

Zedsmon
I don't know. Do I want to be hanged, beheaded, or electrocuted? Let me see, mmmm

Virginia Patriot
"Enforcement was inadequate under Bill, but they were at least trying." Now, that's a generous damning with faint praise. Where were they "trying"? Not down here on the Southern border. It has been rampant since Reagan and I have not seen nor heard of anyone "trying".

I don't want someone who will "try". How about the concept of getting the job done?

Clinton and Reid and Pelosi "trying"? That's a visual that takes more than a leap of the imagination.

Face it, both parties are pandering to the Hispanic vote and think they can get there by being soft (read ignoring) the illegal alien problem.

gf
Previously today I have stated that the Republicans are doing a dandy job of eviscerating McCain. So which of the Democrats are you supporting?

You hate McCain or will never vote for McCain? That's good because the Republicans are busy, full-steam killing him off. So which of the Democrats are you supporting?

McCain is not conservative enough for you. That's good as your choice will be one of the Democrats and not some third party or write-in. So which of the Democrats are you supporting?

GOP to Conservatives,
"we don't need you."

Knock, knock. "Hello?" GOP to conservatives, "We're in trouble and we need your money."

Let McCain win without the conservative base, if he can.

zedsmom
In answer to your last question, probably Hillary. Enforcement was inadequate under Bill, but they were at least trying. It became non-existant under Bush. She's not stupid enough to step in front of the bus called amnesty. McCain is.

Winston829
You are spot on with how allowing amnesty spreads. It is like hot jello. I am as angry as you are. Again, I wish that RONALD REAGAN had not started this AMNESTY mess. Why didn't he follow Dwight Eisenhower or Herbert Hoover?

Now, knowing that national electability will be limited to one of two of the three currently before us, who will take illegal immigration seriously? Or, as you like, who is the lesser of the evils for the next four years with a Democrat Congress in place?

Yes, MAH GRANDMA
We are supposed to take what our fascist elitist media gives us. Pray, write everyone who can do anything, and pass on the word about

http://www.petitiononline.com/JDAlvey1/petition.html

We MUST FIGHT MCCAIN because he will stop at nothing to satisfy his ambition!

oops
Sorry for the double post but maybe it was worth repeating

more on the mess
Lets face it we never really had a choice only the most liberal was ever planned for us on both sides of the isle and we only think we have a vote, 2008 is lost no matter who wins we lose they are all the same. Please check out the NASS our only hope is if the people get in the fray by exploding into the grass roots and utilizing blogs, internet, letters to the liberal editors, emails talking to everybody, why can't all of us have the vote on the same day with all the same choices???? We have been had, lets get our vote back before it is too late and we become "The US Peoples Repuplic of Sheep"

more on the mess
Lets face it we never really had a choice only the most liberal was ever planned for us on both sides of the isle and we only think we have a vote, 2008 is lost no matter who wins we lose they are all the same. Please check out the NASS our only hope is if the people get in the fray by exploding into the grass roots and utilizing blogs, internet, letters to the liberal editors, emails talking to everybody, why can't all of us have the vote on the same day with all the same choices???? We have been had, lets get our vote back before it is too late and we become "The US Peoples Repuplic of Sheep"

the terrible truth
To all you wonderful patriots that have posted about the mess we are in. If we the people don't change the system we as a free country are doomed to become part of the "New World Order" that has been the agenda of the Liberal aka Socialistics for many years. We don't have a two party system it is merely a sham to elude the people that there is a choice and as for the Primary system controlled by the party boss'.
Go to NASS.org this is the organization that is controling this mess along with the party boss' and idiots in Congress. See what they propose to fix it, not much! AND who are these people, ready for this? The National Assocciation of Secreterys of State, yup, lo level politicos with high hopes of joining the power elitists, more proof that we don;t really have a 2 party system this organization is bi partison and I could go on and on. Wake up America!!!!!!!

loco
Re-read my post. Where did I say the state and local government were not responsible? I laid the failures at their feet. The fact that I, also, faulted FEMA for its mismanagement is a statement based on fact. I'm not whining. I am more sick of the Katrina and Rita aftermaths than you can imagine.

loco - Katrina
'Brownie' got through hurricanes in Florida and elsewhere due to competency in state government. That is a truth. The year before Katrina, Florida was devastated. Jeb Bush was the governor of Florida. He had everything in place he needed. After Katrina, Mississippi benefitted from Haley Barbour having gotten a plan in place and acting on it.

I will not cut 'Brownie' or FEMA any slack on the trailer debacle. Frankly, it is incomprehensible how millions could be paid for trailers and them left to deteriorate when it was clear that they would not be used. Wastefulness of that magnitude is simply stupid. It may be the way government acts but that only points out that it is time to speak up and out about government waste. Unfortunately, we saw far too much of 'Brownie' eating in the best restaurants here in BR to think he was busy trying to work through the massive problems faced.

When it was apparent that millions had been spent for trailers that would not be used, why weren't they sold?

I think Michael Chertoff is an idiot and a jerk. His virtual fence that he pushed so hard for on the border is an actual, not virtual, failure that cost a bundle. (Chertoff only pushed the virtual fence to avoid a real fence.) Chertoff hasn't done SQUAT for Homeland Security.

Do you think FEMA should be under the umbrella of Homeland Security? (Not a trick question. I would appreciate your thoughts.)

Zedsmon
Stand back and really think. The worst wrong doing was done by the govenor and the mayor. Bush had counted on them. As for Brownie, he handled a number of catatrophe's before Katrina. But he didn't have to deal with utter incompetency by local and state government. Neither did he have to deal with government dependent people who were unable to figure out how to help themselves. Far easier to condemn Bush then looking at yourselves and the consequences of your elected officials and decisions they made in the past and the present.

As for the sinking trailers, are there no points for good faith efforts and how much do local people once again assist in decisions regarding placement of the trailers. Your comments are like so many in Louisianna, looking for government solutions and pointing fingers at everyone but yourselves.

Mending fences?
McCain campaign has sent me a solicitation twice already. In his letter, Sen. McCain outlines all his Conservative principles but nowhere can I find a reference to Immigration or illegal Immigration.

I totally agree with the Patriot that this issue is the most important one because of the following statistics:

1. 12-15 million illegals will be legalized practically without restrictions.

2. Immediately after the legalization, they will request, in the best traditions of humanity, the family reunification that will bring their parents and siblings into the US.

3. They will go abroad to marry and will bring their spouses into the US.

4. Their spouses will also request family reunification with their parent and siblings.

According to the experts of the Heritage foundation, at the minimum, 60 million more foreigners will resettle in the US. Imagine the social resourses they will require? Imagine ghettoes much bigger than black ghettoes of today? Imagine the turf war between today's poor and the poor newcomers?

Imagine how by a stroke of a pen our strong and prosperous country will transform into a third world slum, easily taken over by our enemies.

As a result, the La Raza becomes the most powerful political organization in America;

Ask yourself a question: what will happen to America's staunchest and friendly allies of the world: India, Australia, Japan, Israel, Taiwan, Canada? What will be the fate of Saudi Arabia, The Emirates, Latin America and Africa?

Compare that to the issues of pork in the budget, gay marriage, size of the government and the like: they seem almost immaterial because in the third world country there will be not enough food, water contaminated, air polluted, violence against women, low life expectancy, diseases, etc., etc.

So I refused to help John McCain. I will continue to refuse answering his call and will not vote for him, not at least until he explains his Immigration policy to the American public.

To Vitto
Why don't you send a message to feedback@thompsoncoalition.com about this? The Thompson Coalition is a site that was created to win back our government, and it's just getting started. http://www.thompsoncoalition.com

I'm with you! We should deliberately select the candidates the media ignored!!!

STOP MCCAIN!!!!!
Someone named Joseph Alvey has created an ingenious petition to stop McCain in a CIVIL court, since the FEC cannot hold him accountable for breaking his own McCain-Feingold law. http://www.petitiononline.com/JDAlvey1/petition.html
We mustn't give up. McCain is being forced down our throats because the media wants us to compromise. Compared to Obama with his shady connections and anti-American, racist pastor, McCain looks like a saint. An arrogant saint, but one you can predict. I can predict him; that's right. That's why I don't believe anything he says!!!! He's a pathological liar.

konniebay
Make a suggestion of a real Republican who has a proven record (note proven) of being a conservative who meets the wants of conservatives. Then, explain how you came to that conclusion followed by your definition of conservative.

McCain's Money Problems
As long as John McCain wants to continue to behave as a Democrat, he is going to have problems with collecting money. He's running as a Republican and every time he sticks his finger into the Republican Party eye, he loses supporters. Is he that stupid?
HRC has brought up the point that the Dem Delegates can vote for whomever they want to at the convention. How about every last Republican delegate vote for Mitt Romney or anyone else as long as they are a real Republican, preferably conservative and not of the Rockefeller vintage.

Stealing primaries
Ooooooohhhhh!!! That's it. McCain, whose campaign was dead broke last summer, was spending money stealing elections. Don't blame it on the individual states' and parties' decisions as to who could vote in the primaries. You want only Republicans to vote in your state primary, take it up with the Republican party in your state. Then, figure out with your omnicient and clairvoyant powers how to distinguish between someone truly seeking to change party affiliation and someone just making mischief, as encourged by Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos. Is there going to be an IQ test? Will it be closed only to conservatives? If the latter, only social conservatives or fiscal conservatives or Christian conservatives... Hmmm, now how do you propose to make that determination to suit yourself?

loco - Katrina
He had to say something about how he would do better after a disaster like Katrina. Remember 'Great job, Brownie'? You may not; but, everyone down here does. Yes, Ray Nagin, the mayor of NO is the NO village idiot. Yes, Gov. Blanco's two brain cells did work to let her know not to run again. They bore the blame for not mandating the evacuation. While people had no place to live, we kept seeing hundreds of trailers sinking into a large field in Arkansas. FEMA bought millions of dollars worth of trailers then said they could not be used in an area suceptable to hurricanes. If you don't see that as a federal DUH moment, I can't imagine how you see it.

Boutte
What's wrong with Joe Lieberman? Because he is Jewish? Is this your point? So say it openly, it's a free country.

What is your problem with Jews? Did they outperform you in a high school? Or a Jewish girl refused to go to the movies with you? (I cannot blame her.)

No, Joe Lieberman is not a conservative; not everyone in this country is, to your information. But he is a man of decency and honesty, a very rare quality in a Democrat and in many Republicans. That's why the Left went against him in Connecticut in 2006. He only won his Independent seat in the Senate because Independents and Republicans voted for him.

Remember Republican Senators who betrayed us on the Amnesty voting day, who called us "bigots" and promised to deal with us accordingly? Do names like McCain, Graham, Hagel come to mind? Now recall how the hard Left defeated Democrat Senator Lieberman so Republicans had to come to rescue him? Do you appreciate the difference? With Republicans listed above who's afraid of the Democrats?

So please, stop breathing your foul breath over this blog or at least use a stronger mouthwash.

No McCainiacs
Many of us detractors may end up voting for McCain.He is the lesser of the two evils,after all.He may have one or two redeeming factors.No conservative that I know of wants Hillary or Obama.

However,Johnny needs to know he can not take all the Republican base for granted.When he takes every opportunity to trash his own party,he's playing a dangerous game,if he expects our vote.

His little trip to N.Orleans where he placed all the blame on FEMA,was one example.Most of the blame fell on the city leaders,themselves.He knew it ,too. He could have said that,but no,that is not his style.He had to take a swipe at Pres.Bush,which he is real good at.

His fence mending is coming along real slowly to non-existent,but he has a few months.Maybe he will hire a few illegals to help him do the mending.After all,they owe him a debt of gratitude for all he has done for them.


A Vote For McCain=A Vote For Amnesty

McCain keeps saying "Secure the border first". We know that he means amnesty next. The plan is to get the border state Gov's to declare the border secure. Conveniently, they are all on board the cheap labor express. Then his good friend Ted Kennedy will bring back McCain/Kennedy and McCain can provide his good friends across the aisle with their new permanent majority.

I will not vote for amnesty.


http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/03/28/b loggers_press_mccain_adviser_on_immigration
“John McCain’s position on immigration is very clear and this a question that gets asked at townhall appearances everyday in media appearances and has answered the question at least a thousand times before the New Hampshire primary,” Schmidt said.

He explained, “Any person who supports John McCain’s campaigns is a subscriber to John McCain’s views"

A vote for McCain is a vote for surrender of your country.



Many of us see another amnesty as the end of the Republic, the stampede it will set off will be overwhelming. If we don't stop the inundation none of the rest matters. We'll be a banana republic before the jihadis can get us. There will never be another GOP president or Congressional majority. Importing voters for the socialists is as stupid as it gets.

McCain Only Attacks Conservatives

Quoting John McCain's comment in 2004:

"I believe my party has gone astray. I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy."

His real friends ARE the Democrats, maybe they will give him money and votes.

I won't.

You Gotta Vote

You Gotta Vote
Please do NOT stay home. You must vote. You do not have to vote for Hillybama or McAmnesty. There are always other parties and people on the ballot. You could write in Joe Oliva. The important votes are for House and Senate seats. Conservatives MUST win seats in the House. The House is where things get done. It was the passage of H.R. 4437, an enforcement bill, in Dec.05 that sparked the illegal alien protest marches and moved this issue to the front burner. It was the Senate that tried to jam amnesty down our throats. The D's that won seats in '06 were conservatives running on enforcement platforms. One of them, Heath Shuler D-NC, introduced the SAVE Act. Call, e-mail, or write your Congressman and urge support of this legislation. Enforcement is what Americans want, not amnesty.

Amnesty is a losing proposition.
I don't think Hillary is stupid enough to step in front of this bus.
McCain is.


Democrats are telling us to sit this out
Thank you, Robert Novak, for another fact filled column.

I cannot belive any Republican will sit this election out and allow one of the two far left socialists to win by default.

I do believe they are Democrats saying "sit this out" and any Republican following this advice should be in the nut house. With one or two or more Supreme Court justices in play, any conservative would be a fool to give the seats the Democrats by "sitting home". And if any of you have investments in shares (either by yourself or through your company or union), imagine a doubling of the capital gains tax.

You heard Obama tell Charlie Gibson that it does not matter if total tax receipts go down "we need to raise the capital gains tax as a matter of fairness".

Don't sit this election out
because you're p***ed at McCain. Get the vote out to elect conservatives to the House and Senate to get a large majority and stop any of the Terrible Trio from doing anything.

Rick
McCain did not get the nomination from the Republicans. He got it from democ-rats and the moderates in open-primary states. If all the states would have had closed primaries, a true Conservative would have the nomination not a RINO.

McCain is
in bad condition because of his p***ing off the conservatives in the GOP by embracing the liberal democ-rats' plan of more and higher taxes, more regulation, and Algore's Gorebull warming hoax.
What I can't understand is McCain's kissing Hanoi John Kerry, who is responsible for the last four years of the Vietnam War, and how many years of McCain's time in Hanoi.

McCain will continue
to have money problems because republicans are less then enthusiastic about his candicacy. If he continues to make his positions by beating up on his own party money and volunteers will continue in short supply.

Foe wxample,why couldn't McCain just say he would do better in the event of another Katrina? Why did he attack Bush and say little about the incompetency of the mayor and the govenor of Louisianna? Why is he attacking the N. Carolina GOP regarding their ad featuring Wright and yet he decides to attack Obama regarding Bill Ayres?

Is there anyway to change our nominee at the national convention?????

Mending Fences
Lew Eisenberg is just what McCain needs. Someone to lead him more to the left.Johnny is being punished with the money laws he fostered.Funny how the 'chickens always come home to roost',just like Rabid Wright said.

Bill Clinton is trying a little too hard to slouch back into the White House and steps in it every so often.He shows his true colors.Puke green.

When Johnny goes to the NRA convention,will he tell us to remove our guns as he told the folks in NC to remove their ad? Just'axing'.

Old Al Franken is still tryin'to pull a fast one.He will make a good senator,though.Already has the training on how to beat the system.He won't have to do any 'on the job training'.

McCain will win independents
pand crossover Dems. which is the only way a Reo. can win a national pres. election. COnservatives cannot win electorally on their own. Remember the Reagan Democrats?

As to the money, unless the TH posters here want an Obamanation in the White House, they need to cough up their money to match where there mouths are.

McCain will not have Karl Rove's organizational wizardry, but every town and county in the US has regular Rep. clubs and committees that work in local elections all of the time. He will have to depend on them.

Awww Boutte
A Robert wannabe running around here at TH, posting inane posts on every thread. He's looking to become the "Top TH Idiot". A title currently held by his hero, Robert. Good luck to Boutte in his quest.

To Vic and Rick: The Boutte's of America love you guys.

More bad news for Boutte. Conservative tide IS shifting to McCain on a steady basis. It's quiet but growing. The McCain ship cruising along nicely despite some problems that pale in comparison to the Democrats. Overall, I think it looks good for McCain.

DUMP MCAMNESTY MOVEMENT NOW!!!
I returned my Republican Party campaign contribution request with a note to send McAmnesty a message in his own words: "go F yourself, my friend." True justice that the campaign finance DEformer gets bitten by his own law!

The Republican Senators SHOULD publicly state that McAmnesty is an advocate of misguided liberal policies that are contrary to Republican principles. The North Carolina Republican Party should ignore McAmnesty's sanctimonious prohibition on Reverend Wright ads. McAmnesty is obviously taking something to control his PTDS red-faced, obscenity-filled rages, and won't be able to lead the charge this Fall.

TIME FOR A DUMP MCAMNESTY MOVEMENT NOW!!!

McCain, NO!!!
I don't care what McCain tells us. He is a Neo-Con who should not have gotton the nomination of the Republican Party. I'll sit this election out.

Oh I know!!!
All those "independents" and Democraps who crossed over to vote for him in the primaries will eschew Barrack O'Vomit and come over to help with the footwork.

Mclame takes the Democrap stand
on New Orleans and Katrina and he plans to mend fences with the base by attending an NRA function. Yes, he has ammended his ways with the NRA in the last year. Hahahahaha.

No wonder he is broke. I wonder where he thinks he will get the door knockers and other ground pounders for the election?

Huh?
Yes, Bill Clinton is so popular that he never managed to get half the electorate to vote for him for president. Small towns are Republican strongholds; Democrats own the cities. I think Novak meant that Bill is still popular with small-town Democrats.


Even Democrats pay lip service to gun rights - in election years. That includes even the most liberal Democrats, as when Obama desperately tried to spin his San Francisco comments into the opposite of what he really said. And Obama did that while still fighting for the Democratic nomination! That's how scared all politicians are of gun owners - in election years.

The NRA appearance is nothing special.
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