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Monday, November 26, 2007
Robert Novak :: Townhall.com Columnist
The False Conservative
by Robert Novak
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WASHINGTON -- Who would respond to criticism from the Club for Growth by calling the conservative, free-market campaign organization the "Club for Greed"? That sounds like Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich or John Edwards, all Democrats preaching the class struggle. In fact, the rejoinder comes from Mike Huckabee, who has broken out of the pack of second-tier Republican presidential candidates to become a serious contender -- definitely in Iowa and perhaps nationally.

Huckabee is campaigning as a conservative, but serious Republicans know that he is a high-tax, protectionist, big-government advocate of a strong hand in the Oval Office directing the lives of Americans. Until now, they did not bother to expose the former governor of Arkansas as a false conservative because he seemed an underfunded, unknown nuisance candidate. Now that he has pulled even with Mitt Romney for the Iowa caucuses with the possibility of more progress, the beleaguered Republican Party has a frightening problem on its hands.

The rise of evangelical Christians as the motive force that blasted the GOP out of minority status during the past generation always contained an inherent danger if these new Republican acolytes supported not merely a conventional conservative but one of their own. That has happened now with Huckabee, a former Baptist minister educated at Ouachita Baptist University and Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. The danger is a serious contender for the nomination who passes the litmus test of social conservatives on abortion, gay marriage and gun control but is far removed from the conservative-libertarian model of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan.

There is no doubt about Huckabee's record during a decade in Little Rock as governor. He was regarded by fellow Republican governors as a compulsive tax increaser and spender. He increased the Arkansas tax burden by 47 percent, boosting the levies on gasoline and cigarettes. When he decided to lose 100 pounds and pressed his new lifestyle on the American people, he was far from a Goldwater-Reagan libertarian.

As a presidential candidate, Huckabee has sought to counteract his reputation as a taxer by pressing for replacement of the income tax with a sales tax and has more recently signed the no-tax-increase pledge of Americans for Tax Reform. But Huckabee simply does not fit in normal boundaries of economic conservatism, as when he criticized President Bush's veto of a Democratic expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP). Calling global warming a "moral issue" mandating "a biblical duty" to prevent climate change, he has endorsed the cap-and-trade system that is anathema to the free market.

Huckabee clearly departs from the mainstream of the conservative movement in his confusion of "growth" with "greed." Such ad hominem attacks are part of his intuitive response to criticism from the Club for Growth and the libertarian Cato Institute for his record as governor. On Fox News Sunday Nov. 18, he called the "tactics" of the Club for Growth "some of the most despicable in politics today. It's why I love to call them the Club for Greed because they won't tell you who gave their money." In fact, all contributors to the organization's political action committee (which produces campaign ads) are publicly revealed, as are most donors financing issue ads.

Quin Hillyer, a former Arkansas journalist writing in the conservative American Spectator, called Huckabee "a guy with a thin skin, a nasty vindictive streak." Huckabee's retort was to attack Hillyer's journalistic procedures, fitting a mean-spirited image when he responds to conservative criticism.

Nevertheless, he is getting remarkably warm reviews in the news media as the most humorous, entertaining and interesting GOP presidential hopeful. Contrary to descriptions by old associates, he is now called "jovial" or "good-natured." Any Republican who does not sound much like a Republican is bound to benefit from friendly media support, as Sen. John McCain did in 2000 but not today with his return to being more like a conventional Republican.

An uncompromising foe of abortion can never enjoy full media backing. But Mike Huckabee is getting enough favorable buzz that, when combined with his evangelical base, it makes real conservatives shudder.

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Just Another Liberal
Our Lords and Masters will literally move mountains to keep liberals in power. They will happily endorse a liberal like Giuliani who is in favor of gun control and is strongly against innocent babies. Now that he is tanking due to some sensibility rising in the conservative Republican base, and also because they are worried about pictures appearing in Southern media showing that worthy mayor marching proudly in the Big Apple's Gay Pride Parade, we are treated to an evangelical liberal like Huckabee. The only real conservative in the race is Dr. Ron Paul. But the leftist controlled Mainstream Media, and the equally leftist controlled Republican Party would happily slash their wrists and ours to keep him out of the limelight. Why don't we just nominate and elect a real conservative, instead?

Huckabee
and Guiliani should run together. That is a match made in hell and Rudy can wear the dress.

When I saw the title of this column I womdered which liberal front runner Novak was refering to.

Huckster won't have my vote either
He's a big time CINO who wants big government. He even recently pledged support for a federal ban on Internet poker! I won't vote for any ticket with him on it in the general election.

My letter to Huckster
Dear Governor Huckabee,

I am a lifelong conservative Republican who happens to enjoy a game of Internet poker on occasion. Your response to the National Coalition Against Legalized Gambling’s candidate integrity quiz, where you stated that you support a federal prohibition on Internet poker, doesn't sound like the stand of a conservative. Rather, it seems you're for limited government until you find something you want. Then, when that happens, the sky's the limit!

First of all, I feel your position is foolishness. If your concern is compulsive behaviors, gaming is at most addictive to 1% of people, and technology can be used to keep those 1% offline via various exclusion and detection programs. Unfortunately, this won't happen under your big government prohibition plan (which involves snooping in peoples' bank accounts and Internet usage histories). Besides that, it's a question of freedom. Why should the rest of us be prevented from enjoying a game of poker in our own homes?

Your position is nothing but a red herring. It seems you simply don't like Internet poker, so you think it should be banned for everyone. Sorry, but that's not my definition of a conservative.

As you can't trust me to make my own decisions, I cannot trust you to represent me. As such, unless you change your mind, I will not vote for you or support your campaign in any way.

Sincerely,

TheEngineer

Barry Goldwater?
"is far removed from the conservative-libertarian model of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan"

I'm a Goldwater Republican (despite being born after his presidential run), but I think many folks here on Townhall have forgotten all about our limited government heritage.

Speaking of limited gov't
I'll be voting for Ron Paul, and I urge everyone here to join me.

Upon reflection,
I think that Huckabee is correct to refer to Steven Moore's bunch as "the club for greed", but for the wrong reason. Anyone who has kept up with Moore knows that he is a lover of illegal alien workers. Come to think of it, so is Huckabee.

Good letter, Engineer. I wish these folks would leave the rest of us the hell alone.

Huckabee
While I would be very happy to have a real Christian as president. I have read that Huckabee is a liberal "christian". I have also read that he has given a speech to the CFR folks. If he is a globalist like Bush it won't matter if he is pro-life. We won't have our constitution anyway. We won't even have our country.

If he is just one more guy willing to sell his soul for a mess of pottage and supports the creation of the NAU he does not deserve to be president.

I am voting for Duncan Hunter.

Only a moron would say it isn't "christian" if we don't allow illegals. I am not going to vote for any of the traitors.

Ron Paul rocks!
I am a red-blooded Marxist, predicated upon the life and teachings of Jesus Christ of course; but there is only one person who shall get my POTUS vote, and that is Ron Paul.

Yes, a blue-blooded Christian constitutional conservative through and through, Ron Paul, has my vote!

And, I would think, given the current field of republican presidential potentials, Ron Paul being the only Christian (Christian, not Mormon, Christian) candidate who actually lives the same political rhetoric he talks; we can all faithfully vote for the same person.

Ron Paul 4 Pres.!

I would vote for Rep Paul except..
I would vote for Rep Paul except he is:

Against the war in Iraq
Against the FED Reserve
Against peoples rights to seek redress from the Supreme Court
Against the Patriot ACT

For limiting the powers of the CIA and FBI

For Free trade with other countries but against the gov treaties with other countries which level the playing field (example we charge no tarrifs on their goods comming in but they charge high tarrifs on our goods giving their business advantage) That is his definition of free trade.

Other then that he is a great candidate. (especially if you want to be Amish like and live life like it is still 1780)

Send hate mail to Tinsldr2@yahoo.com or read the explanation on my Blog.

Bob
Bob, even though what you say about Huckleberry-Lib is true, a lot of the other comments that you so snidely place in the article are not. Or at least, they are misleading by omission.

You cite Huckleberry’s support of AGW as a “liberal” function, which it is, but this is disingenuous because ALL of the top tier candidates support AGW except Thompson.

You cite his support of SCHIP, but it also is treated as gospel by the top tier candidates except Thompson. Likewise with amnesty and illegal migration, although some of the candidates are now trying to squirm around and deny their former positions.

HUCKABEE IS LIBERAL LIKE CLINTON&CARTER

Christians Need To Beware of Mike Huckabee by Chuck Baldwin
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20071102.ht ml
An Appeal To My Fellow Pastors by Chuck Baldwin
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20071106.ht ml
Conservative Republicans Have Only One Choice In 2008 by Chuck Baldwin
August 28, 2007 http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20070828.h tml
A Tale of Two Candidates -American Spectator
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12205
Slush Fund: Huckabee tapped mansion Fund for Himself The Arkansas Times
http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/2007/09/golden_o ldie_from_the_huckabee.aspx
Huckabee Begs For New Taxes (on camera) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLOC4krZI4
How Many Times has Huckabee Fibbed about his Gas Tax? http://tinyurl.com/3xg6vy
Tax Hike Mike http://www.taxhikemike.org/
Mexican consulate deal dogs Huckabee campaign World net Daily 10/31/07
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58 430
Another Man From Hope : Who is Mike Huckabee? - Wall Street Journal http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010782
Mike Huckabee. The Socialist From Arkansas. - Council of Conservative Citizens about homeschooling http://www.cofcc.org/?p=811
The Huckabee Horror:He'd Shred the Constitution in a Heartbeat
http://www.etherzone.com/2007/raim101207.shtml
The dark side of Mike Huckabee - Salon 11/13/07 http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee/i ndex.html

Say what?
"Huckabee
and Guiliani should run together. That is a match made in hell and Rudy can wear the dress.
------------------------------------------------
Oh really? Actually its Mitt who would run more comfortably with Rudy-Mitt could wear his secret mormon underwear that protects the "temple worthy " from all harm. hmmm.. maybe slickster Mitt should donate a pair to each of our troops in Iraq.
.
Actually, the truth is the two northeastern pro gay rights liberals in this race are Rudy and Romney.

the two should make up and attend the Log Cabin Republican's annual meeting together-since neither is going to win.

At least then they could start being themselves again and be free of the pressure to become something they clearly are not.hey let donw their hair amongst friends, and collect politital IOUS

As go for Mike H, he is going to be president, and Thank God we have a God fearing man with a real pro family agenda.

Taxes? Huck is for the flat sales tax (aka "fair tax") and wants to abolish the IRS. i am not for that, but it just goes to show how Romney groupies are lying about taxes. They are the ones with the big government enforced mandatoy health plan crammed down the throats of the people of Massachusetts whether they want his sorry product-which they would never buy if it were a free choice: meaning a free market decision.




dumb conservatives
Think that the same country that can out law and jail abortion by stretching the constitution can force woman to have abortions like in China.
Leave the constitution alone and fight it at a local level. The President has little to do with the issue.

What is it with Arkansas?
...I lived in Arkansas for a year (Ft Smith)in the early 1960's,while assigned to Ft Chaffee.The people seemed like normal,down home citizens and I enjoyed my assignment there.But what happend to them? How can these normal people have such politicians in elective office,i.e.Clintons,Faubus,Huckabee? I never detected that disease while there.

Nam65-66
Why single out Arkansas? Which state is it that is free from electing loonies and crooks, and in the majority at that? Ocean to ocean, border to border, the voter pool is a group consisting of a majority of foolish people. No wonder we get rotten pols when the voters prefer voting in their own perceived self-interest to voting for the general good. Is it then so surprising they get pols who legislate in THEIR self-interest? Statesman-like principled voters elect principled statesmen. Greedy fools elect greedy monomaniacs.

The media loves liberals
It dosen't matter which side they come from. Besides it a nasty two headed snake that runs the joint. If the powers that be catch wind of a REAL conserative they move mountains to either bury or ignore.

Face it- we're screwed.

oops
" it's a nasty two headed snake "


Huckabee
Mr. Novak, you are right i n some senses. Huckabee does look a little like Gomer Pyle and when he and his folks get together and do their family and friends pickin and singing it is kind of relaxing but as for the rest of his ideas, they could scare a person of normal life.
He scares me as you do trying to be what he isn't. That stunt you pulled about Clinton and Obama was ridiculous. A Woodward or Bernstein you will never be but you keep trying to put yourself in their shoes. Aint gonna work. Like Huckabee you are too far to the right and have a personal vendeta. Woodward and Bernstein were just reporters and were not coming at things with personal feelings. Admit it Bob, its time for you to go fishing, and if you catch a big one then we'll belive you. PS, I hear the republicans are biting prety good lately.

Allan(Big Al)Smith

Paulie boy
In a recent vote in the Congress,only one Congressman voted against a measure making a statement about a man in Bangladesh being presecuted because he is a muslim who supports peace with Israel. Congress voted to put pressure on the government for this man's freedom and right to express his opinion without fear from the state. Ron Paul was the sole dissenting vote. The guy would be a disaster as a President, because our leaders have a responsibility to stand against evil. With an the casinoes and gambling places available, I can't believe you are wasting time crying about opposition to internet gambling. Besides the President can't outlaw it anyway. It's not his job.

Club for Debt!
Under Bush we have had the largest hidden tax increase ever The value of the dollar dropping is from Bush and Congress out of control spending.

It is basic economics under Bush and company national debt goes from 4 trillion to 9 trillion. Consumer debt grows out of control as well. Yet all you guys talk about is 4% GDP growth. This is like a company growing sales while the bottom line is falling apart.
That is why the dollar is crashing.

Do you so called conservatives understand that financing out of control debt without tax revenue is worse than a tax increase? Do you understand that we are not just paying the interest but we are devaluing our money? This use to be the CORNERSTONE issue for the GOP!

It was Democrats who used to sell us on the investment story of Government now we have both Parties!

WATCH THE TRUTH FROM THE GAO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/david-walker-60-mi nutes-summary-by-steve-kroft



He ain't no conservative.
Huckabee sounds more like a radical than a conservative.

His stance on abortion is extreme. He rejects the conservative view that this is a states right issue, to be resolved by state legislatures...the body closest to the people. He would prohibit all abortion, period. That is EXTREME, even for folks such as myself who are against late-term or partial birth abortions.

Another radical view of his is to abolish American reliance upon, use of, oil and gas withinn 10 years. He claims our dependence upon oil feeds the coffers of mideast states who then fund radical madrassas. He is partially correct, although we obtain most of our oil from Canada, Mexico, Nigeria...even as some does come from Saudi Arabia.

Has anyone given any thought to the violent, cataclysmic disruptions to our economy, our standard of living, our society at large, if government edict declared our economy, our energy and transportation systems, could not use oil in ten years?

He sounds more like Gore, than Gore.

On gun rights, I agree with Huckabee, but overall I fear he would not only embrace the neocon messianic vision of Bush on Iraq and the mideast, but focus this evangelical absolutism on domestic policy in the United States.

So we would have the worst of two worlds. Messianic rigidity in both foreign and domestic policy.

Minor Disagreement
About all I can find to disagree with Novak's piece is this: "That has happened now with Huckabee". I take it Novak sees Huckabee as a first. Bush preceded him as the first big government social con.

I consider myself a Goldwater conservative/libertarian and will vote for Ron Paul. I know he doesn't stand a snow ball's chance in perdition, but he's got the right principles regarding limited government.

Ron Paul or Bust
2008

Huck Hatchet Job
I thought this was an article about Mike Huckabee? (Paulies . . . wait your turn.)

My . . . Huck MUST be gaining ground! This sounds like a classic hatchet job to me, Robert! Who's your man?

He's scaring the pants off "real conservatives" who have done next to nothing when they were in control to curb federal spending, the "Sacred Cow" Social Security is still tanking, the Department of Education is still alive and well (funded), INCOME taxes are still screwing us, immigration continues to be a mess and a threat to national security, and we at least (eventually) got two good Supreme Court appointments - after Bush was forced to capitulate.

If THAT's real conservatism - give me Huck!

Huckabee = Gomer Pyle
Big Al,

Oh my God, Huckabee DOES look like Gomer Pyle!

I knew he looked like someone but could'nt put my finger on who. Very funny! : P

Huckabee sells out his religious beliefs
Mike Huckabee appeared on Kenneth Copeland's TV show this past Sunday to talk about Huckabee's book, "Character".

Here is a Baptist minister who supposely believes in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, showing a lack of character by appearing on Copeland's show. Most conservative Baptists would call Copeland's brand of Christianity "the health, wealth, and prosperity gospel" and would label it a cult along with Mormonism and JW.

He lost my vote just by appearing on the show. He can justify it all he wants, but he gave his stamp of approval to Ken Copeland's heretical teachings and showed his lack of discernment and lack of character.

Dump Huck
you want to know what he's really like, read what his previous constituents have to say about him.

http://www.arkansasfreedom.com



No Amnesty Candidates


No Rudy, No McCain, No Huckabee

Romney and Thompson are saying the right things now, but haven't always. Hunter and Tancredo have been working on this for years on our behalf. Longer than most of you have been alarmed about it, they have been trying to sound the alarm. Choose carefully in the primaries, your future depends on it.

Dump Huck
You want to know 'who' this guy really is, read what his previous constituents have to say.

http://www.arkansasfreedom.com


Way to go Bob . .
Novak got this one right ! The "Huckster" has become a media darling because:

1. He can help derail vialble Republicans.
2. He's for taxes, illegals, and Kyoto.
3. He bad mouths other conservatives.

He's kind of a Schwarzenegger with a Bible.

Hopefully Iowan's will soon recognize the reality of a Huckster for President

SeekerOfWhat: "dumb liberals" I'd say!


"... stretching the constitution can force woman to have abortions like in China."

That's exactly what could very well happen if a dumbo gets elected and we end up with SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE!


"Real" Conservatives?
Is Mr. Novak saying that evangelicals are not "real" conservatives? ("But Mike Huckabee is getting enough favorable buzz that, when combined with his evangelical base, it makes real conservatives shudder.")

Huckabee: False Conservative.
So Huckabee is a FALSE Conservative, er? But he's NOT the only one running in the Republican field, where there are MANY being led by RUDY!

http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://OsiSpeaks.org

Just two real conservatives in race
There are just two real conservatives running for president this year, Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter. they are very far back in the pack because big money elites want their own feast to continue. That this feast will result in famine does not matter just yet to types who couldn not care less about the future standard of living, sovereignty, and lliberty of this countrry.

Big money wants free trade and not fair trade. Americans need fair trade to compete individually in the world. Corporations want resources and labor as cheaply as they can find anywhere without regard to consequence. When you evaluate a candidate do as big money does. Go on the CFR.org website and click on campaign 2008 and look at the trade policies of each candidate there. But instead of picking free trade advocates as big money does, pick fair trade candidates. It really does boil dow to that folks. Remember Karl Marx was a free trader because that he reasoned was the fastest way to chaos and his lousy system.

He ain't no Huckleberry Finn......

.....wish he were. As someone said, Christians are good, but not all of them are Christians.

This man can't come close to winning the general election, but if he did he would be the end of the conservative movement. Scares me, H yes, he scares the pee out of any right thinking person.

Somehow we are going to have to realize that infidels, he is a Christian infidel, need to be eliminated before they grow up to the level of a president. No way, Charlie. This man does not pass GO. Muster him out and over.


Relax about Huck,
By the time of the caucuses, he his novelty will be on the wane. And while he may surprise some people in Iowa, he has no organization or funding to go further.

One issue
Most people seem to have one political issue that supercedes all the rest when it comes to whom they will vote for. For me, that issue is illegal immigration -- which is why I could never vote for Huckabee.

Being anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage are far from the only two issues that make anyone a conservative. There are not many small-government conservatives in the race to choose from, which I think is a problem, but certainly Mike Huckabee doesn't qualify as a limited-government man and he won't get my vote.

thanks, Vic, for reminding me
AGW is complete nonsense, and Fred Thompson says so, God bless him. And he's right on so much else too: the border, the war, taxes, Federalism, etc. That pretty much settles it for me.

Face it: no one running is the perfect candidate, so we're going to have to go with the guy who covers the most important bases and who has a shot at victory. The more I read, the more I come to the conclusion that that's Fred. Sure, he has detractors, but they're mostly criticizing his campaign, not his positions. It's the voters who will decide the nominee, not the pundits. Personally, I rather like the guy who has a life outside of politics, who can pace himself, who isn't driven by monomaniacal compulsion.

Reagan, you might remember, was frequently criticized for one of his indulgences: he napped.

Tinsldr2
"Send hate mail to Tinsldr2@yahoo.com or read the explanation on my Blog."

I'll forgo on both accounts. I already know all I want to about Guiliani.

Not all conservatives are neo cons
First of all the only 2 articles Mr. Novak is famous for is for the Valerie Plame and the Obama articles . Both of which reek of sold out tabloid journalism. This is obviously a hit piece, and he should be ashamed of himself.

Secondly not all conservatives are the same.
You have
George W Bush Neocon - Religion, Oil, Big Business, Low taxes, High Spending, Pro War, Pro Nafta, Social Conservative.
Dick Cheney Neocon - same as above except no moral conservativeness, or religion.
Duncan Hunter - Religion, Social Conservative, Anti Nafta, Pro War, Anti Taxes, anti spending, Anti Big Business.
Mike Huckabee - Religion, Anti Nafta, Pro Spending, Pro tax (ok I don't think hes pro tax but for sake of argument), Anti Big Business.
Ron Paul - Anti War, Anti Spending, Anti Tax, Anti Nafta, Religion.

I really wonder why you hate everyone who doesn't fit in your pro war big spending low taxes to hell with the little people views.

You can try to out Mike Huckabee as a democrat spy. Luckily by now everyone knows who pays your bills.

Do You Want To Keep Your Country?


Securing the border and enforcing the law is the only way we get to keep our rule of law, our representative Republic, and our Constitution. We must elect a President who WILL secure the border and enforce the law. If citizenship becomes meaningless, this will no longer be the United States of America.

The so-called "top tier" will not get out the voters necessary for a GOP win. Increasing turnout is the key. Give people something to vote for. Not just the lesser of two evils. Won't work this time. People are fed up with the inundation of illegal aliens. They would come out in droves for the clear choice of D=amnesty or R=enforcement. They will stay home if they both equal amnesty.

There is a huge majority of American citizens waiting for someone to pledge to uphold the laws and secure the borders, let's not ignore them any more.

http://www.gohunter08.com

Stupid Novak remarks.
Quote; An uncompromising foe of abortion can never enjoy full media backing. But Mike Huckabee is getting enough favorable buzz that, when combined with his evangelical base, it makes real conservatives shudder.

That's good to hear, meaning, I'll probably vote for Huckabee, if nominated.
If he makes a conservative shudder, He can't be all bad.

John Konop
How about we try cutting spending as a solution? This is our biggest disappointment with President Bush. Spend like a liberal and you'll soon have problems.

The Problem with Labels
Huckabee makes clear for anyone paying attention the real problem with applying simple labels to people's political positions.

He may be a conservative on social issues, but not on government power issues and certainly not on tax ad spend issues.

The same thing can be applied to every candidate, because none of them have one-dimensional political beliefs like so many of the people who comment here seem to have.

live by the evangelical...
The mucky mucks who run the Republican Party have been using the evangelicals to gain power for decades, and then when they are in power, they use that power to make themselves even richer and more powerful.

The evangelicals are so enamored of the idea of no more abortions or homosexuality that they turn a blind eye to the fact that the real leaders of the Republican Party don't give a damn about the economic interests of working class. Which suits the Republican economic elite just fine. This is how they've been able to rig the tax system so that the richest people in the country––who make their money from investments and dividends––are paying only 15% of their income in taxes, while the middle class and upper middle class are paying up to 35% of their income in taxes.

But I think Huckleberry's candidacy is a signal that this cozy relationship is about to end. Which is good news for the country. Finally, we'll be able to get back to policies that benefit the vast majority of Americans––the people who actually have to work for a paycheck.

Phylo out.



Scouring of Huckabee
Bob Novak's column about Mike Huckabee makes me wonder if one of the Catholic Church's more recently celebrated converts has fully endorsed his Church's teachings on social and economic issues. Sorry Bob, even you know the Church teaches against compartmentalization.

If this isn't a case of Cafeteria Catholicism, what else could it be?

As for calling the Club of Growth the Club of Greed, so what? The truth hurts because both of these newly repackaged economic royalists call for the let's return to the days of real raw capitalism and let the devil take the hindmost economic policies. Both of them are anything but truly conservative. If they were truly conservative, they'd be more interested in promoting policies that worked to improve the dignity of all people, not just the wealthy.


The Problems with Labels - Pt. 2
In case that wasn't clear enough:

Take the "social conservatives": They call themselves conservatives because they have, or at least claim to have, strong conservative beliefs on social issues like homosexuality, yet they want the federal government to deny other people their basic rights because they, the social conservatives, do not like the way those people live. That is not a conservative position. Expecting the government to enforce one's preferred lifestyle on everyone else is the height of liberal arrogance. Worse yet, most of these people are unable to see that if we grant the government this authority by asking it to take it on, the only thing standing between our freedoms and a liberal autocrat's wet dream is a change in leadership. Because if you can ban homosexuality because it makes uptight conservatives feel squeamish, you can ban heterosexuality because it makes uptight gays feel squeamish too.

To those who are criticizing...
...Novak, at least get your facts straight. He didn't support GWB in the 2000 primaries, and he was against going to war in Iraq. As for his authenticity as a political reporter, he's been covering Washington for over 50 years and is considered one of the best. As for calling this a "hit piece", I suppose that's true only if you believe that bringing facts about a candidate to the light of day is a bad thing. I'd rather know the truth about a candidate myself, and I think more information is better than less when it comes to voting for someone for President.

Huckabee's record is one of big government: on taxes, on spending, on intrusion into our personal lives. That is not what I advocate for President.

So..........Huckabee
is a "nuisance candidate".....at least he doesn't make me vomit, as most of the rest do.

On the campagn trail
Gov. Huckabee comes across as a very likeable person with a fine sense of humor. All of these are good qualities but are not enough to save him when his pro tax globalist,big nanny government comes through....and it will.

a 'nuisance candidate'???
Does this term refer to any candidate YOU don't want to vote for? Obviously, Huckabee has gotten voters in Iowa interested in him. He isn't my favorite candidate for President but I'd hardly refer to him as being a 'nuisance candidate' if he gives some voters a candidate they're wanting to vote for (as opposed to voting 'the lesser of two evils') when they vote. Not everybody wants to have to settle for a pathetic choice of Rudy or Hillary when voting! More candidates who will put America first instead of 'globalism' are an improvement over the globalists of both parties dissing the American voters by foisting their anti American worker policies on this country. I am so tired of mostly imported stuff being sold in stores in this country so I very rarely shop anymore. By the time people realize what a poor bargain their cheap imported stuff is, it will be too late to slap an import tax on the stuff as there won't be enough of a market to matter.

Sounds like Bill Clinton from the right
From the article:

"Quin Hillyer, a former Arkansas journalist writing in the conservative American Spectator, called Huckabee "a guy with a thin skin, a nasty vindictive streak." Huckabee's retort was to attack Hillyer's journalistic procedures, fitting a mean-spirited image..."

Sound familiar? Sounds like, oh, I don't know, BILL CLINTON?

Apologies to my fellow posters out there, who may hail from that state, but is there something in the water in Arkansas that helps spew out politicians like this?

We've been burnt once (well, twice--2000 and 2004) by a candidate with socially conservative values, but who has no compunction against applying Leftist solutions (in Bush's case, expanding government and mandates). Shall we hold our noses and vote for another one?

Hillary delenda est.

Huckabee- Enemy of Cosnervatives
Gov. Huckabee spoke to a radical Mexican group called LULAC and laughingly said that he looked forward to the day when whites were not in a majority in the USA. His views on American demography are in line with Bill Clinton's. That is why Huckabee must be crushed. He is an enemy of conservatives.

To Galt
Dick Cheney has been in Washington for a long time also. I don't trust him either.

Why is this a hit piece?
"... but serious Republicans know that he is a high-tax, protectionist, big-government advocate of a strong hand in the Oval Office directing the lives of Americans."

" Quin Hillyer, a former Arkansas journalist ... called Huckabee "a guy with a thin skin, a nasty vindictive streak.""

" An uncompromising foe of abortion can never enjoy full media backing. But Mike Huckabee is getting enough favorable buzz that, when combined with his evangelical base, it makes real conservatives shudder."

1. Quoting a source making a personal attack on a mans character is not good journalism. Last I checked people have called Novak a traitor. So if someone wrote an article and quoted Joe the liberal taxi driver saying that Novak was a traitor IT WOULD BE A HIT PIECE. Maybe Novak stiffed the taxi driver on a fare, maybe Hillery has dirt on Obama. Who knows why this guy hates him.

2. Real Conservatives? Serious Republicans? I doubt Mr. Novak knows enough about the average working conservative to fill thimble (take note that was a personal attack unless you don't think that point #1 was a personal attack.) Seriously can you really call that good journalism?

I understand even "good journalists make mistakes" But recently Novak has been willing to publish any reports that come to him. Discounting the 3 quoted statements I have no problem with the article. Though I continue to feel those 3 quoted statements constitute a hit piece.

For Bernsten it was personal
Big Al

If you looked back into history your would find that Richard Nixon persecuted Bernstein's dad for communist ties. Of course the Washington Post never mentioned that while they were investigating Watergate

Huckabee the liberal
Huckabee is completely liberal when it comes to his view of the role of government in the lives of Americans. That is to say, he would love nothing better than to be in charge of a federal government that regulated the daily lives of its citizens “for their own good.” Of course, if he gets his chance, we will be operating under his, rather than the individuals’, definition of “goodness”.

When it comes to taxing and spending, global warming hysterics, anti-trade policy, illegal immigration, and general nanny state-style meddling in the lives of others, Huckabee takes a backseat to no Democrat. In fact, if not for his position on abortion, I presume he WOULD be a Democat. In the days before abortion policy become the litmus test by which the Democrat Party determined its membership, the party was filled with Huckabee types. Now sadly, to the extent you see them at all anymore, they fly under the GOP banner.

Huckabee is the product of DNC policy
Huckabee is what you end up with when the Democrat Party defines its membership solely on the basis of its pro-abortion policy – a politician who is liberal in nearly every respect EXCEPT for abortion policy. The fact that he can even call himself a conservative or Republican, while disagreeing on nearly every marker of the terms but one says something of his chutzpah.

Economic conservative
Two of my favorite conservative columnists (Ann Coulter being the other) have now challenged Huckabee's conservative credentials, and I am inclined to agree with them.
The last thing we need is someone in the White House with an inclination to increase non-defense spending. Spending needs to be cut (starting with Social Security and health care entitlements)! If the government is spending every third or fourth dollar the country has, then no tax system will be fair.
It's apparent that Huckabee sides with the Buchanan brand of economic protectionist Republicans, but I guarantee you that Mike Huckabee and Pat Buchanan will fly around the sky like Superman before they deliver a worker’s paradise to Americans via high tariffs.
If only Huckabee could side with Buchanan on illegal immigration, then I could vote for the guy, but he’s as much a race baiting, open borders candidate as any Democrat is.
How ‘bout we get Republicans to take this pledge.
Build the fence and turn off the magnets, and the illegals will not come. Cut off their jobs and benefits, and they will not stay. In five years, the crisis will be over.

GOP is dumping ground for Dem wannabees
Today, the GOP is as much defined by the Democrat Party’s position on abortion as the Democrat Party itself. It is only because the Dems will not tolerate anyone who does not hew to the Planned Parenthood Party Line, that you even see liberal wretches like Huckabee loitering around in the GOP. Apparently, if you want to be a national politician, but harbor anti-abortion sentiments, the GOP is the only party for you, regardless of your position on any other issue. I could care less who the Democrats welcome or run off, but what I cannot fathom is why someone like Huckabee should ever be welcomes in the Republican Party.

No Amnesty Candidates

No Rudy, No McCain, No Huckabee

Romney and Thompson are saying the right things now, but haven't always. Hunter and Tancredo have been working on this for years on our behalf. Longer than most of you have been alarmed about it, they have been trying to sound the alarm. Choose carefully in the primaries, your future depends on it.

Nominate Carefully

There are millions of us who usually vote GOP who WILL NOT vote for Rudy, for a variety of reasons. For me it's the amnesty issue, for others it's life, still others, homosexuality or gun rights. Whatever the issue is, it is a bright line we will not cross. No amount of Hillaryscare, intimidation, name-calling or cajoling will get us to vote for Rudy. He's in the wrong party. He is a liberal. I don't vote for liberals. When he loses, don't blame us, we tried to warn you. Flipping off half your voters is not a winning strategy.

Wake Up People
Only Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter are conservatives that believe in what you do. The rest just tell you what they think you want to hear today. Different story tomorrow in a different place. The people are being duped again. Just like Jorge telling us he was a conservative. You bet.

repulbican debate in spanish
all the republican candidates except tancredo have agreed to a debate translated into spanish broadcast by telemundo.

it seems they are unwilling to let 17-20 million votes go to the democrats without a fight.

that is good for democracy and good for america.

That door swings both ways
Sorry VP, but that bright line you keep talking about has two sides to it and there are at least as many people on the other side of it from you who will not vote for your preferred candidate, whoever that may be, for reasons of their own.

You have every right to stick to your guns. So do they. The end result will be Hillary in the White House again and Obama in the Naval Observatory. That's not a threat, and it's not cajoling. It's a fact. I hope that your conservative purity keeps you going through the next 8 years.

empyrius ......
writes: Monday, November, 26, 2007 3:02 AM

"I am a red-blooded Marxist, predicated upon the life and teachings of Jesus Christ of course; but there is only one person who shall get my POTUS vote, and that is Ron Paul."

A red blooded Marxist who claims Marxist teachings are congruent with the teachings of Jesus Christ (they are not), and who will vote for Ron Paul. You are one confused person.

Well, whether for bad or for good, at least you have chosen the right candidate.

This evangelical is standing behind Ron Paul, the only candidate with the most biblical positions in this horse race. You can click on my hyper-linked name heresyarch to find out 12 reasons why.


WoW
Huckabee must really be starting to worry the 'conservatives/neo-conmen'. They get their media guru, whose 'sources' need never be questioned because Novak's sources are so high up and therefore trustworthy, to lay bare the faults of a candidate who has all the 'right' creds to be a republican, but there's the problem. Governing, at least in this country demands compromise or you get gridlock--aka bush's revelence and mcConnel's butt kissing adding up to a petulent VETO on everything.

Swartsy got it in Calif--the minute he started to govern the neo-cons started blasting him for being too liberal, when all he was doing was governing for ALL the people not just the rich white fat asses who fleece the public with cunning accounting and overlooking the laws.

Republicans are waking up and need to be aware that when Novak speaks it's Cheney and the totalitarian RNC talking. And not for you.

Huckabee will get things done with conservative principles in mind but knows how to govern.

Tinsldr2 writes
"I would vote for Rep Paul except he is:

Against the war in Iraq
Against the FED Reserve
Against the Patriot ACT"

Sounds like a real conservative in the traditional liberal conservative mold.

Of course for real conservatives who want limited government, fiscal restraint, with limited federal power to wage war, the three items listed above are not a good thing.

The problem on the left is they want spend happy cradle-to-grave entitlements....great intention, with bad effects. The problem with the neo-conservative part of the right is they want a spend happy world police force doing nation building....great intention....bad effect.

The "Bright Line" Argument
I for one have not decided who I am willing to actually vote FOR in next year's election. What I have decided is that I am not voting AGAINST anyone. So if the Republicans cannot come up with a palatable alternative to Hillary-Obama, and no palatable third-party/independent option steps forward, I will save myself the hour standing in line and just not vote.

I will say, however, that this talk about "bright lines" that people will not cross because this or that candidate is not a "real conservative" reminds me all too much of 1999 and 2000, when we were told that only Dubya was a "real conservative".

Color me jaded, but if that is what you mean by a "real conservative", you've drawn a bright line I will not cross to join you.

voice of reason
finally! i have been waiting for republicans to take notice of this self-righteous liberal masquerading as a republican. we spent so much time attacking ron paul, whose only difference with the rest of the party is a matter of strategy. in the meantime, we let a person who is philosophically as removed from the republican party as kucinich rise to top-tier. unbelievable!

sick of hearing about how
"likeable" Huck is, (I find him repulsive on every level), how "funny" he is (not funny, though I do find it funny when he says the Earth is 6k yrs old, just not "haha" funny)and how strong his campaign is (current goal is to raise another 1 million, Paul raises that every week, Huck has NO money)

but most of all I'm sick of hearing about how much power "evangelicals" (which has about as much literal meaning as "hispanics") wield in the election cycle. Their interventionalist, "if we can't convince 'em, we'll legislate it upon them" global philosophy has grown tiresome. Those who vote on abortion and gay marriage while ignoring cantidates' socialist tendencies are destroying this country. Iowa has just enough godnuts (like that?) to possibly put an idiot like Huck in first place, then it's CRASH & BURN across the US. HUCK SUCKS

spiritof76
spiritof76 writes: Monday, November, 26, 2007 7:14 AM

"In a recent vote in the Congress,only one Congressman voted against a measure making a statement about a man in Bangladesh being presecuted because he is a muslim who supports peace with Israel...Ron Paul was the sole dissenting vote."

LOL. Ron Paul ALWAYS votes no on unconstitutional resolutions. It doesn't mean he's opposed to the Bangladeshi man in question. Rather, it means he supports the Constitution.

"The guy would be a disaster as a President, because our leaders have a responsibility to stand against evil."

Our leaders have a responsibility to stand for America and for our freedoms here. It's time to stop the foreign adventurism.

"With an the casinoes and gambling places available, I can't believe you are wasting time crying about opposition to internet gambling. Besides the President can't outlaw it anyway. It's not his job."

Well, I am. I care about my freedoms. I guess you think I should just shrug my shoulders and watch another freedom bite the dust, but I will not. Many are fighting back. We will be heard in '08.

The president has the power to veto legislation that restores our freedoms. Huckabee promised to do just that.

Uh-oh..........
The LGBT Republicans are in revolt.........ROFLMAO.........

To be a better person, read this.
GOP caucus voters in Iowa are overrepresented by Christian evangelicals. They are a formidable voting block.

My point is that although Huckabee may do well in Iowa, I doubt it translates into his doing well in other states.

The media will hyperventilate over how well Huckabee may do in Iowa, but it is not indicative of how well he does nationally.

The more people learn about his positions, the less appealing he will become, except to hardcore zealots.

The End Of The Party
Another unknown governor from the blighted backwater of Arkansas emerges to plague the nation. Huckster-Bee points out a huge problem in the Republican Party. People like me, who are Republicans because of national defense,ballooning entitlements, the out-of-control judiciary, and economic issues and look on the 'social' issues as much less important will have nothing to vote for if Huckster-bee wins the nomination. The same thing has happened here in California;people who would tend to vote Republican are scared off by irrational stands on abortion, guns and teaching idiocy like Creationism in science classes. The result is a total Democratic lock. With Huckster-Bee mouthing Global Warming twaddle (a euphemism for government control of the economy- a real Christian should believe that God controls the climate, not the bureaucracy) what incentive is there to support him? Protectionism? The Clintons have a better record on free trade. The born-agains, who would have a seat at the table in the adminstration of any of the other candidates (and heavy input on judges), will destroy their position in the party and usher in a solid liberal Supreme Court if they manage to propel this disaster to the nomination.

justpaul
Your post above (labels part 1 & 2 9:50am) was very interesting. I think you're quite right about some who seem to define conservativism as having strong opinions on some social issues yet see no disconnect in advocating decidedly unconservative things-- like wanting to dictate others' behavior according to those strong opinions.

I agree wholeheartedly with your 11:25 post that those one-issue conservatives who refuse to vote unless their own pure one is the nominee will put Ms. Clinton in the white house.

However, you seem to have reversed yourself in your 11:56 post. Are you saying there is no one of the current candidates who you'd rather see in the WH than MsClinton? Are you saying that if GWB were running again against her, you'd stay home?

The "Real" False Conservative
Rudy Giuliani

He is not conservative. He has said repeatedly in the past that he is a liberal, his record is liberal, he ran for mayor on the Liberal Party ticket. Know that you are voting for a liberal.


SunThe1
What I am saying is that I am no longer to willing to vote for one candidate as a vote against another candidate. If there is no candidate in the race whose positions I can actually support on the whole, I will not vote for one of them just to keep Hillary out of office. I am tired of voting for people I would not let walk my dog just to stop another one I would not let walk my dog from winning.

What is it
about people who study to be clergy and then drop out of the field? Every personal example I know is a bit on the quirky side.

Well- at least we can eliminate another candidate from consideration, so its been productive.

If I were going to vote based on a single issue, it would be for Thompson. The Greens have won. These formerly fringe dwellers of society have successfully taken over the world. The nuts are running things and I want their influence GONE!

Green is now a filthy word to me. I'm just really, really excited (read sarcazm) about the inevitable employer mandated Green tolerance re-education camps we will all be going to.


jerabaub
"To be a better person, read this.
GOP caucus voters in Iowa are overrepresented by Christian evangelicals. They are a formidable voting block."

Fortunately, New Hampshire will happen right after Iowa, giving the skewed Iowa results less time to matter.

sandman
I found your post very interesting (that candidates who can't pass the Dem litmus test end up as GOP candidates). You're probably on to something there, although there is the idea of individual variability not conforming to those definitions of pure conservatism that people put forth here.
Nonetheless, let's say you're right, and that's where some of the current GOP candidates some from. Now what about the voters who don't pass the test? Where do they end up? Possibly that's the Independent vote.
So what would you say the Republican litmus test is? I'm interested because that would help further define the independent vote.

Huckabee's the real deal
Finally, a real conservative starts to make headway. Novak's column is good for a few laughs. Huckabee is the genuine conservative candidate; he recognizes that Christianity is central to conservatism. Libertarians are not conservatives; they hold a distinct ideological position that is neither liberal nor conservative. Why this isn't more widely seen is puzzling. Real conservatives should flock to Huckabee's support because he believes what they believe.

We need a president who believes the planet is only 6000 years old. It will get us noticed by the rest of the world.

Scorecard
McCain - Eliminated.

Rudy - RINO - Could vote for only if nominated.

Paul - Won't be nominated. Dead issue. Have to appreciate constitutional stance but can't ever get past 9/11 conspiracy bs (and I usually love a good conspiracy).

Romney - Saying all the right things. Record tells different story. I'll take him over Hillary every day.

Thompson - probable doofus but gets additional gazillion points for pooh pooing global warming nuts. If he gets in, hope he carries a big stick in the form of a giant veto pen.

Huckabee - another quirky ex-seminarian. Too bad. He is likeable.

Tancredo - starting to look better.

Hunter - starting to look better.

Summary: Our nation collapses via AGW alarmists if we don't fight back NOW. Illigal immigration may change our culture but AGW legislation will be the biggest issue of federal control in our lives.

Duncan Hunter is your man
So, how's the conservative movement going?

You're blessed to have Huckabee to run against Clinton...count your blessings...quit telling me what and who you're against...and tell me who you endorse?

I've realized
that "evangelicals" are fine with socialism as long as nobody's having abortions and no gays are marrying. The rest is ok. HUCK SUCKS

The Average American
Does not fit into the Washington defined groups. Like Sandman said if your a Democrat against abortion you probably become a Republican.

Some Poll Number (yes i know their skewed)
Illegal Immigration
77% Say Employers Can Require English-Only on the Job
77% Oppose Drivers’ Licenses for Undocumented Immigrants
73% Say Police Should Check to See If Traffic Violators are in the Country Legally

National Mood = Against

Social
70% Say Being a Father is Important Role for Man to Play
Just 16% Want Voting Suggestions from Religious Leaders
24% Are Both Fiscal and Socially Conservatives, 9% Fiscally and Socially Liberal

Bush
31% Want Cheney Impeached
57% Oppose Bush Veto of Children’s Health Insurance Legislation

Iraq
63% Want Troops Home From Iraq Within Year
71% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military

Abortion
41% favored making abortion illegal with a few exceptions.
24% favored making abortion always legal
19% favored making abortion legal most of the time.
12% favored making abortion totally illegal.

Obviously loosing jobs to china = bad
kids dying = bad
stuck in Iraq for 20 years = bad
Illegal immigrants all over= bad
taxes= bad
spending = bad
debt = bad
Abortion for any reason = bad
Poverty = bad
freedom = good
isn't that enough to start a new party?

If someone said OK
I don't want to be in Iraq 5 years from now.
I'm going to lock down our border.
Were going to get our jobs back from China.
Were gonna use those jobs to eliminate poverty.
No one is going to get away with paying lower taxes then anyone else just because their rich.
By Eliminating Poverty and Ensuring better laws for medicine we will make children never need to worry about their health.
I wont spend a dime that isn't required
I will stop as many abortions as I can as fast as possible
I will return to the people their rights as citizens.

Who would not vote for that party?
And I will take us out of debt

Goldwater Endorses Dr. Paul
Mr. Novak,

There is only one person running for president who can claim the title "Goldwater - Reagan Republican". As you may suspect, that is Rep. Ron Paul, M.D.

Barry Goldwater Jr. recently endorsed Dr. Paul, although he has supported him for some time now. I don't know whether Pat Buchanan supports him outright, but he has obviously supported him in the media, and he's Reagan's press secretary.

I am a Michigan Republican who ran for state senate last year. I'm on my party's executive committee and I am our county party secretary. I can assure you that most of our activists are true Republicans - although we are drawing many independencts, Democrats and Libertarians.

With few exceptions, most of our supporters are highly intelligent - most of the Ron Paul college Republicans I'm working with are grad students - and highly motivated.

Dr. Paul is the candidate of those who have bothered to research the Federal Reserve, the value of the dollar, U.S. foreign policy and its impact, the role of state and local government, and American history, primarily the Constitution.

Remember, if Barry Sr. had won, only 401 Americans had died in Vietnam up to 1964. Now add 50,000 more when he lost. The same thing or likely worse, will happen if these other candidates advocating wars in Iran, Syria, Africa, etc. etc. win out. What does the Constitution say about war? What does the bible say? I'll take those two sources over Rudy McRomnabee anyday.

If Dr. Paul wins, and he very well could, I think it will challenge America to wake up from its 24-hour entertainment news cycle. Even if Dr. Paul doesn't win, those of us motivated, and we are many, plan to run for mayor, county commissioner, state representative, senator, congressman, governor, etc.

As Barry Goldwater Jr. well remembers, one man standing in the gap can make a difference, especially if he influences thousands to get involved. We've already won.

Pete Mackin
Marquette, Michigan

Just Once
I'd like to see somebody that writes this kind of stuff actually back up what they say with FACTS.

Note: A fact is not a quote from somebody else. A fact is information that supports a statement that would lead the reader to the same conclusion.

EXAMPLE
Statement: Joe is fat.
Fact: Joe is 5'4" and weighs 325 lbs.

Get it???!!!

Now, quit calling names and bring some facts to the table.

Here are some facts on Gov Huckabee...
http://therepublicanevaluator.blogspot.com/

Just another RINO...
IMHO, he would make GWB look like a real Conservative.


re: John Konop
"do you so called conservatives understand that financing out of control debt without tax revenue is worse than a tax increase?"

Wrong. An income tax increase hurts the most PRODUCTIVE members of society -- i.e. those who are creating economic growth and making the most money TODAY. Only one thing is going to happen when you penalize productivity -- you'll get less of it.

On the other hand, the primary victims of a devalued dollar are the WEALTHY. Note: there is a big difference between being wealthy and earning a high income. For instance, I have a net worth of about negative 5 grand after subtracting my student loan debt. I drive a 12 year old Ford Taurus and am not even close to being able to afford a house, yet according to democrats, I make 2-3x the amount necessary to be considered "rich".

Obviously, the best solution would be to cut taxes AND government spending. But since we have gotten to the point where our population is so economically ignorant that cutting spending is impossible, the next best solution is to cut taxes, continue spending and devalue the dollar (I know there are other factors that drive currency, but I'm going to ignore them to keep this relatively concise).

continued...

re: John Konop
continued...

Why is this the superior solution?

1) It primarily penalizes existing wealth, not productivity. Ideally, you don't want to discourage either, but if forced to choose between the two, the former is the better option. Inflation will hurt those who have already made or inherited their money, and are not investing it in vehicles that drive economic growth. Those that are using their wealth to drive growth will hold up OK, as stocks and investments in private businesses will perform much better than government bonds in an inflationary environment caused by govt. spending being greater than tax revenue.

Obviously, this is not ideal, but it is clearly superior to the alternative of taxing productivity and incentivizing people like me to forgo schooling and sit at home collecting entitlement checks.

2) If spending being greater than tax revenue causes inflation, it A) lowers the real amount of government debt and B) lowers the real amount of commitments to entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare. For one, if the government has committed to a fixed amount of spending on a govt. program (which, being a government program, is almost by definition a bad use of capital), the real value of that spending declines. Even if the spending is roughly indexed to inflation like social security, it is clearly much easier politically to maintain nominal payouts in an environment with 10% inflation than to cut payouts 10% in an environment with no inflation. So inflation itself can help to lower real government spending.


Just to be clear, I am not advocating government spending. But if forced to choose between raising taxes and devaluing the dollar, I will choose the latter every time.

Reap What You Have Sewn
I have to laugh at many of the complaints here.

Although not a conservative Republican, I do like to come here to see views that are opposite of mine many times.

First the GOP needs to decide what a "conservative" really is. Social, economic, or whatever.

The GOP has taken full advantage of the voting power of the evangelicals. NOW many here are complaining that they are not taking the party where you feel it should be going. Your party, take it back.

Interesting to watch this one from the sidelines.

RON PAUL
Dr. Paul is the reality check for America. Rudy is the pox on our house.

Vote Paul if you value a future for your children and grandchildren.

Tadpole
Are you surprised there are no facts coming from Novak? Hes Mr. Rumor.
Facts
1.In 2003, he identified Valerie Plame as a CIA "operative" in his column.

2.In August 2004, after other journalists had reported on it, Novak admitted that his son, Alex Novak, is the Director of Marketing for the Swift Boat Veterans' publisher, Regnery Publishing.

3.He has also met with Hamas Education Minister Naser al-Shaer. Based on this meeting, Novak claimed that Hamas supports a two-state solution, something which the Hamas Covenant explicitly forbids.

4.On April 27, 1972 Novak reported in a column that an unnamed democratic senator had talked to him about McGovern. "The people don’t know McGovern is for amnesty, abortion and legalization of pot," the Senator said. "Once middle America - Catholic middle America, in particular - finds this out, he’s dead." The label stuck and McGovern became known as the candidate of "amnesty, abortion and acid."

5.In November 2007, Novak claimed "Agents of Sen. Hillary Clinton are spreading the word in Democratic circles that she has scandalous information about her principal opponent for the party's presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, but has decided not to use it."

This man has made a living slandering peoples names by using unnamed sources and innuendo. This man is the lowest of the low in yellow journalism. But what do you expect from a Neocon Registered Democrat.

I Like any man slandered by Novak. At least I know they haven't totally sold out.

for SunThe1
SunThe1 writes: "So what would you say the Republican litmus test is?"

That's easy.

Being pro-life is the GOP litmus test.

Huckabee is not a liberal.
There are so many bits of misinformation in this article and comments it's hard to know where to start. Someone said earlier that the only difference between Mr. Huckabee's positions and a typical liberal is that he's anti-abortion. That's just nonsense. Here are some of his conservative positions.

He's pro-life, pro 2nd amendment rights, supports a strong national defense and our troops in Iraq, is against the LOST treaty and any type of treaty that would give away our sovereignty to international bodies, is for building the border fence and cracking down on businesses that hire illegals, was against the recent amnesty bill and the dream bill, is for the fair-tax, is for more choice in education and health care and not government mandated or run programs, and has made a pledge not to raise taxes. These are all conservative positions.

He's come under attack because he raised some sales taxes while governor, but he also cut income tax rates. That really isn't so bad because sales taxes are conservative type taxes (not that I want them raised) because they put more power in the hand of the people and away from the government. You decide when and how much you are going to pay by deciding how much money you will spend and how much you save.

People also criticize him because he supports some path to citizenship for illegals. But every top candidate does. Only Tancredo and Paul do not. (Hunter says nothing about it so he's probably willing to support it). But he's definitely for building a fence first and controlling our border.

I could say a lot more but Huckabee is not a liberal. He may not be a perfect candidate but none of them are. Don't accept the slander as truth. Find out for yourself what his positions and record is by doing the research. He may not be the candidate you like best or want to win but it is ridiculous to say he's like the democrats.

for MikeB
MikeB writes: "I Like any man slandered by Novak. At least I know they haven't totally sold out."

Your ad hominem attacks on the messenger for bringing you a message you don't like, aren't going to work.

Because we don't need Novak to surf over to the Club for Growth website for ourselves, and read what they have to say about Huckabee's record:

"While Governor Huckabee's record displays some flashes of economic conservatism, especially during his early years, the overwhelming evidence of his record and rhetoric over the past ten years leaves the Club for Growth and economic conservatives around the country to wonder if a President Huckabee would espouse the relatively pro-growth policies of Governor Huckabee circa 1997 or the anti-growth policies of Governor Huckabee circa 2004. While the Governor has made a concerted effort to defend his record, calling oneself an economic conservative does not make one so. His recent refusals to rule out raising taxes if elected President--the cornerstone of a pro-growth platform--perhaps indicate which path he would choose."

http://tinyurl.com/3cuzx3

That's not exactly a ringing endorsement, is it?

Do you have any ad hominem attacks on the Club for Growth handy?

WE are doomed
All the frontrunners are open border loons and anti-american sovreigntry. We are screwed. Most people listen to the moronic platitudes that promise The Holy Grail and vote that way. What's an American to do???? I voted for Ross Perot and my brother has blamed me for Clintons rise since then.....but what can we do...if you vote for Tancredo or Hunter or even Paul you are backing a losing cause.......We are sunk!!!

PS Gee what a shame that RINO Trent Lott is leaving the Senate???(NOT) Funny how all the scavenger politicians who think the gravy train has ended are jumping off ......watch them all become lobbyists--where the real money is!!
Dizzgusting opportunistic slimebags,... with Republicans like him who needs Democrats??

Mike Huckabee & Taxes
I like Mike Huckabee but he is not a true conseravative. I like the Idea of the Fair Tax , But not stupid enough to believe it will ever
happen . But it does matter that when taxes are raised companies move overseas. Higher taxes means higher prices for everyone peroid.Mike Huckabee will make anyone running for president
look like a conservative. If he raised taxes once he will do it again. And another thing I fought for MY COUNTRY to be free to smoke if i want to. Icould care less about how much weight he lost But I will not give up MY CIGARS FOR NOBODY. I,m just going to live so long anyway.
Lambat

well done, Mr. Novak...
very good article exposing the Huckster for the fiscal, intrusive, "do-gooder" liberal he is. The best description of Huckabee I've seen to date:

"Huckabee is campaigning as a conservative, but serious Republicans know that he is a high-tax, protectionist, big-government advocate of a strong hand in the Oval Office directing the lives of Americans."

Here's a candidate who never knew a tax increase he wanted to veto, and he never came across a government program he didn't want to fund. If his record as AR governor is any indication, government knows best, and more the more government programs the better for the Huckster.

http://www.taxhikemike.org

Thanks, Mr. Novak, for writing such an accurate portrayal of this faux-conservative.

Huckabee Is A Spoiler Only
He does not have a chance against the Liberals, he won‘t get the moderate votes and he would need them to win. So he is a spoiler, that all. Sing for the election Huckabee that we can enjoy. However, do not count on it to show, which is best qualified to lead.

The MSM want him to split the vote. The Liberals do not fear Huck or Rudy. The one the fear is Mitt Romney. If you do not see, it now just wait. Why are the promoting someone to split or spoil votes?

How ironic the "Prince of Darkness"
quotes, "Quin Hillyer, a former Arkansas journalist writing in the conservative American Spectator, called Huckabee "a guy with a thin skin, a nasty vindictive streak." Huckabee's retort was to attack Hillyer's journalistic procedures, fitting a mean-spirited image when he responds to conservative criticism."
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me. Well...it's too bad if the economic conservatives don't like Huckabee's "compassionate conservative" brand. It makes me a southern evangelical Christian conservative like him all the more! And I LIKE the idea of a FAIR tax. That way all the people that have not reported earnings, the illegal aliens and the drug dealers, EVERYONE, will have to share the load of funding the government, not just us honest hard-working folks. How refreshing.


All That...

And he still makes Hillary look like a far-left wing socialist creep :)

Thank you Mr. Novak
I'm just so thankful that someone besides Phyllis Schaffly of Eagle Forum is on to Mike Huckabee!!
I have been screaming this for a long long time. He IS NOT a conservative. What this "preacher" doesn't understand is you can go to hell for lying just as quick as you can for any other sin.

He has lied from the beginning. He believes in big government, he almost ruined the conservative party in Arkansas, and left the Republican party in shambles. He supports a ban on smoking, and fatty foods (he's a health nut) He wanted the illegal aliens to have the vote for cryin' out loud. He wanted scholarships for illegals, and didn't want the police to arrest them. He left Arkansas deep in debt. Raised taxes, because the illegals were eating up welfare, and medicaid. He is an awful leader.

China
Anne:

Care to explain how socialized medicine and forced abortions are related? How is a population control regime related to one of universal health care? Taiwan has had 100% universal coverage since the 1990s and I have yet to hear of forced abortions there, or Canada or the UK.


No to the Huckster
I have read that the Huckster never met an illegal alien he didn't like.
Personally I think that Ron Paul is a good candidate, but my choice remains solid with Hunter and Tancredo. I totally agree with many of the blogs here that we need a candidate that will seal the borders and remove all the illegals and levy huge fines on the companies that hire the illegals.

SteveL
As I stated earlier There are 3 reasons I believe this is a hit piece. As listed below, they take what should have been an informative piece and turned it into a personal attack.

Personally I am not a fan of the club for growth. I'm quite anti NAFTA. NAFTA to me is not free trade. Very sticky issue though. But as you read below are the 3 parts that try to slander the mans character. As I posted before this is Mr. Novak's 3-2 pitch that he makes his living on.

Give facts, but don't quote some unrelated source saying hes a jerk. Thats just mudslinging. Name the taxes he raised. Quote what the club for growth said about him DEALING WITH THE ISSUE. But lets not say "a guy with a thin skin, a nasty vindictive streak."

If you have a problem about why I have a problem with Mr. Novak's article I would be glad to hear it.

"... but serious Republicans know that he is a high-tax, protectionist, big-government advocate of a strong hand in the Oval Office directing the lives of Americans."

" Quin Hillyer, a former Arkansas journalist ... called Huckabee "a guy with a thin skin, a nasty vindictive streak.""

" An uncompromising foe of abortion can never enjoy full media backing. But Mike Huckabee is getting enough favorable buzz that, when combined with his evangelical base, it makes real conservatives shudder."

Why Kill The Messenger Of Truth?
Becaus a vail of personal interest blinds your heart.

Mr. Novak was very accurate, and did not miss a point. He has given and honest and accurate description of Mike Huckabee. Thank you very much!

Mike Huckabee, does not understand the constitution, and feels that he can use the bully pulpit to force his beliefs. That is against the constitution. Where is the Government for the people, by the people and of the people, in he view?

Even Christ recognized that principle. Representatives must represent the people or it is a dictatorship. That would be a tyrant and tyranny is what we need the lest.

stevel
Thanks for your answer. I wonder if others agree...

Huckabee
I like the guy, but am starting to question my support. As of yet, he's still the guy because on most issues, I'm not too far off...


Some thoughts on two
Taxes-- much of the increases were mandated by the AR Supreme Court.
Immigration-- His rhetoric is a bit much, but by and large a pretty reasonable stance.

What scares me most about him is his seemingly growing attachment to the word of faith movement...

Huckabee and global warming
I cannot abide Huckabee's stance on global warming and do not want our nation getting saddled with international treaties based on this garbage.

However, someone else can do the homework with Romney and man-made CO2, because I don't have time right now. He's already totally unacceptable to me on too many other issues. I would never vote for him.

re: Virginia Patriot & Ken
Sorry, but Giuliani is running on the most free market capitalist platform of any of the candidates. On taxes, on trade, on education, on health care, on spending he is advocating competition, free markets, individual choice, and less government. I don't care whether he calls himself "conservative" or not, I want lower taxes and less government intrusion into commerce, trade, and personal matters.

Read Giuliani's platform: in each case, he is standing for free market capitalism. That used to be considered "conservative"; if it isn't any longer, then Ronald Reagan would no longer be considered "conservative" either.

Novak h8s the poor
Huckabee's a nutjob, but he is the ONLY Repub with a heart to speak of. And a soul. This is precisely why the Novak brand of robber barons H8s him, of course. I mean, really, if Huck is looking to help the poor then the prince of darkness himself with have to toss in a few shillings from his hedge fund to help out-and why should he have to help lift the boat of the many when he must tend to his own yacht?

What a morally corrupt, greedy shill Novak is. What a disgrace the entire GOP has become (and that's saying a lot, considering what they've always been)

Ron Paul on Forced Integration
[peirces_girl on November 26, 2007 11:58 AM]"ron paul, whose only difference with the rest of the party is a matter of strategy"

Ron Paul opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Do you oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

The Trouble With Forced Integration
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul188.html

14 November 2007
The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters
by Andrew Walden, in "The American Thinker"
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaig n_and_its.html
The ugly mishmash of hate groups backing Paul
has a Sheehan connection as well. David Duke is a
big Cindy Sheehan supporter eagerly proclaiming
"Cindy Sheehan is right" after Sheehan said, "My
son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel."
Stormfront.org members joined Sheehan at her
protest campout in Crawford, TX and posed with her
for photos. Sheehan is also intimately associated
with the Lew Rockwell libertarian website which has
posted over 200 articles by Ron Paul as well as
some "scholarly" 9-11 conspiracy theories.

Huckabee & the Club for Growth
[SteveL on November 26]"surf over to the Club for Growth website for ourselves, and read what they have to say about Huckabee's record"

Hugh Hewitt
November 1, 2007
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/HughHewitt/2007/11/01/fe deralism_matters_--but_to_mike_huckabee__an_interview_with_ the_governor?page=full&comments=true
His [Huckabee's] record on taxes during his
governorship is mixed, with many cuts and some
hikes, and his biggest hike was the result of a state
supreme court mandate. Huckabee's thus got a
solid answer to his harshest critics in the Club for
Growth.

re: talisman
I don't know of anyone who "hates" the poor, but I know a lot of people who don't believe intrusive, liberty-infringing, Big Government programs aren't the best way to help people out of poverty. Novak's personal wealth has nothing to do with anything, other than an attempt to smear him personally.

R. Paul anti-life 4 cognitively disabled
[Bountyhunter20 on November 26, 2007 12:47 AM]"the only real conservative in the race is Dr. Ron Paul"

Ron Paul is anti-life re: the cognitively disabled:

A Values Voter Debate was held on 17 September 2007 among Republican
candidates running for President. McCain, Thompson, Romney, and
Giuliani declined to participate-- maybe they thought they could do
without support from 'values voters.'

from page 23 of the transcript PDF
http://valuesvoterdebate.com/downloads/transcript.pdf
linked to from
http://valuesvoterdebate.com
Bobby Schindler: My name is Bobby Schindler. I'm
with the Terry Schindler Schiavo Foundation.
[applause] My beloved sister starved and
dehydrated to death in a land of abundance. While
the world watched-- because she was disabled and
unable to speak for herself. My question is would
you pursue or support legislation that would protect
the cognitively disabled from being dehydrated to
death by having their food and water taken away?

Ron Paul voted NO, the rest of the candidates voted
YES.

Ron Paul's response: No. He was the only Republican at that debate
who gave a 'no' response to Bobby Schindler's question.

20 September 2007
Ron Paul Views License as Liberty. Life Loses.
http://blog.letherlive.org/2007/09/ron-paul-views-license-a s-liberty-life.html

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Terri Schindler Schiavo story with villains, victims, and heroes
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115741978.8204 40.50060%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.3949 27.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

15 September 2007, "Fred Thompson unprepared to answer on Terri
Schiavo
case"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/09/14/2007-0 9-14_fred_thompson_unprepared_to_answer_on_te.html

Fractured Republican Party
The Republican Party is divided.

It's conceivable that the conventional wisdom will not happen (Early primary winner takes nomination because of bandwagon affect.)

With possibly four candidates taking votes in near equal measure that could lead to a drawn out primary fight.

And, possibly an open convention (No candidate has a majority going into the convention.)

Judging by the polls and and comments, plus the irreconcilable candidates.

Would this be bad?

I'm not sure because while people don't like uncertainty (the elites surely don't like it), it would bring excitemnent and energy and a real discussion of all Republicans about what the values this party are.

Get ready for a political ride.

I haven't seen a open convention in my life.

Theater -- you ain't seen nothing yet!

huckabee
if the msm likes a repub it is either they are actually a dim in sheeps clothing or else they figure he is an easier candidate for the women they are all desparately in love with. Anything that will make the missus clinton look better the msm favors. The dims should just end all pretense and register themselves as anopther speacial interest group registered to the dim party. Huckabee is seemingly adopting the clinton strategy. Tell america he is no more than a socialist but is far more likable that the missus clinton, which in itself is not that great an accomplishment.

Synthesizer
"Ron Paul voted NO, the rest of the candidates voted YES."

Of course. It was an issue for the state of Florida and for the courts, not for the U.S. Congress or for the president.

I'm with Huck
To the folks who detest him on illegal immigration, I sympathize, and while I think he's wrong about illegal children, I can stomach that so long as he still wants to secure the border and deport the illegal adults.

To the foaming-at-the-mouth "taxes must die" conservatives, whatever happened to being the "moderates?" Doesn't sound very moderate to be attacking him on taxes with such viciousness, particularly when many of those taxes were mandated by the voters of Arkansas, or were in fact only hikes on user charges. Were there some tax hikes? Yes. Believe it or not, you have to pay for the services you buy, and Huck balanced Arkansas' budget. But your tax-fanaticism is well... radical zealotry. At least when we social conservatives cry out, we cry out about justice. You cry out about... your pocketbooks. And at what level a political decision should be made. Never the content of course. Just that every matter should be left to the states, and after that you could care less about what's actually decided. Pitiful.

To the RINOs who detest his social conservatism, please, leave the Republican party. You've been clamoring to kick social conservatives to the curb with the nominee. Don't be surprised when social conservatives decide to return the favor. We told you we wouldn't vote for a pro-abortion candidate and we meant it. You don't want to vote for Huckabee? Fine. But as you nastily taunted, "If you vote third party, that's a vote for Hillary."

If a balanced budget and being anti-abortion and against gay marriage is "false Conservatism," give me false Conservatism over the "true" form any day.

spiceman said it ---bingo!
gores political hatchet girl(black) when asked
who would she fear the most in a general election?
she didnt hesitate---MITT ROMNEY! HE'S PRESIDENTIAL,SMART(BUS. RECORD PROVES IT,PLUS THE OLYMPICS. AND DID AGOOD JOB IN 4 YEARS AT MASS. THEY WERE IN DEEP DEBT WHEN HE ENTERED)NO FILTHY SCANDELS IN HIS LIFE! MARRIED 38 YEARS, THAT MEANS SOMETHING TO THOSE WHO RESPECT MARRIAGE! MARRIAGE CAN BE VERY CHALLENGING...38 YEARS!HMMMM?
he took on the massachusetts hillary..and won!
HE ACCOMPLISHED QUITE A BIT..IN A VERY HOSTILE AREA! NOW WHAT IS THE NEW PRESIDENT GOING TO FACE? A DEMOCRAT CONGRESS...MITT HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR SUCH BATTLES! ANY WAY, SPICEMAN HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD..THE DEMOS FEAR HIM..hope for a split of the romney movement! elvis

I agree with nanna...
whose family lives in Arkansas and knows the REAL Huckster... her good points deserve a reprise for emphasis... the guy has simply packaged himself cleverly to suggest some things that do not bear close scrutiny... that seems to go with some who weasel out of Arkansas on to the national scene.

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(slight edit for space and consensus)

nanna writes: Monday, November, 26, 2007 4:33 PM

Thank you Mr. Novak

I'm just so thankful that someone besides Phyllis Schlafly of Eagle Forum is on to Mike Huckabee!!
I have been screaming this for a long long time. He IS NOT a conservative. What this "preacher" doesn't understand is you can go to hell for lying just as quick as you can for any other sin.

He has lied from the beginning. He believes in big government, he almost ruined the conservative party in Arkansas, and left the Republican party in shambles. He wanted the illegal aliens to have the vote for cryin' out loud. He wanted scholarships for illegals, and didn't want the police to arrest them. He left Arkansas deep in debt. Raised taxes, because the illegals were eating up welfare, and medicaid. He is an awful leader.

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In his 2005 State of the State address, he complained that a Hispanic student was not able to get financial aid because he was an illegal alien. Huckabee supported a 2005 bill to make some illegal aliens eligible for scholarships and in-state college tuition. Huckabee vehemently opposed a 2005 bill which would deny state benefits to illegal immigrants, calling it "un-Christian." Huckabee argued that illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits.

re: Stoic Patriot
As to being "moderate", I will stand with Barry Goldwater: "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

And sorry, but I do believe I'm standing on the side of justice when I advocate more individual choice and less government intrusion into the economy, the marketplace, and my individual choices. Every choice made by the government is a choice not made by individuals and families for themselves.

The Republican Party has long been a coalition of people who are conservative on social issues (essentially protecting some sort of "traditional" values) and those who are "conservative" on fiscal matters (essentially protecting individual liberty). I find it interesting that you find it to be a "RINO" quality if you prefer the latter rather than the former, but one is a "true conservative" if one prefers the former rather than the latter.

Since the Republican candidate is chosen by members of the Republican Party, it seems to me that the nominee will be chosen by Republicans and therefore by definition not a "RINO". If you're saying you either get exactly what you want else you're taking your ball and going home, who's the "Republican in name only" at that point?

Huckabee Supports Illegal Aliens
Let's be clear -- Huckabee supported illegal aliens as Governor of Arkansas.

You can count the ways...I mean Huckabee was the Full Monte. I hadn't heard he wanted illegal aliens to vote, that's a new one.

Huckabee solicited a Mexican consulate for Littlerock, with the complete financial and political backing of Tyson Foods and Wal-Mart.

Government policy in Arkansas was to subvert federal law.

Christian? Sounds more like cheap labor for the chicken pluckers and China toy sellers to me.

With Huckabee, if you care about illegal immigration, you might as well throw that issue in the toilet with his nomination.

Limited government took it in the shorts as well.

Talks a good game -- slick...haven't I heard that before about a guy form Hope, Arkansas.

John Galt on RINOS
Oh the logic of it. Excellent, sir.

immigration...doom
here in calif. illegal immigration is a very serious problem..hosp. are on the edge of collapse! gangs..mostly latino are a very serious problem!estimated at 7,000 gangs in los angeles county! now the kicker : most of those kids are citizens..but their parents are not!the law allowing citizenship to illegal parents has to be changed!i grew up in a mexican neighborhood
many years ago..and i eat breakfast with one of my ol mexican buddies from 50 years ago..once a year..and he's against illegal immigration..his parents came legally a long time ago!he is very adamently against it!my wife of 41 years is mexican(born and raised in calif xx years ago, i had to put the x's or i would be cooking my own meals for a month at least)her family came here a long time ago-legally! this household is against illegal whatever!this nation faces many scary situations..and i cant vote for huckabee or mc cain, rudy no matter what points i may like about them!! hopefully we who seem to be conservative can come together and put someone in the white house. immigration is number one to me!mitt, duncan,tancredo(sp?)are the only choices i feel good about..but mitt has shown great management ability and he has the money that it takes! in the end of the day..it will boil down to..mitt and rudy!that is an easy decision for me! rudy go back to your 3rd., 4th? wife and those illegals you love sooo dearly! elvis

Successfull Invasion
It really hasn’t been that many years since Mexico has successfully invaded and occupied many parts of our country. They are slowly changing the language in those parts of the country from English to Spanish.
If the people complain, all they have to do is cry racism and the liberal media will be all over it coming to their defense.
Right behind it will be our limp wrested politicians proposing some kind of law forbidding the language that the people used to complain about all the Mexicans here illegally. They’ll call it some kind of hate crime and try to put those people in jail.
The elites in this country are a treasonous lot.

Church and State
Huckabee is an ordained minister. That automatically mixes church and state. Where are all of the calls for Huckabee to make a speech on how his religion is not going to cause him to make some strange decision as President?

He really does not see any separation of church (Christianity as he interprets it) and state. to him the state is an arm of the church. Romney at least seems to understand that the two should not be mixed as that corrupts both church and state.

Just out of curiosity, what are Huckabee's views on the tribulation. Is he pre, mid or post tribulation. How does that effect his ideas on how to deal with the Middle East? This is a real question. If Huck really believes he will get raptured and leave the VP to deal with 7 or less years of hell on earth, I would like to know that.

Does his belief in the rapture change who he picks as VP (believer or non beliver)?

Does it change how he handles Israel and the next war or peace settlement? What does he believe about the appropriate borders for Israel? Does he believe that they should be the same as in the Old Testament?

These questions need to be asked and answered.

John Galt on RINOs
Outstanding post.

Huckabee on SCHIP: 1/2
[Novak]"But Huckabee simply does not fit in normal boundaries of economic conservatism, as when he criticized President Bush's veto of a Democratic expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)."

31 October 2007
Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee on the campaign trail
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transc ript.aspx?ContentGuid=a1209c9c-7e6b-431a-b36a-e4ba35fe396f
HH [Hugh Hewitt]: ....did President Bush do the right thing when he
vetoed the SCHIP?

MH [Mike Huckabee]: Well, I understand why he did it. I think that
in the long run, it's turned out well. We've not gotten at least a
compromise on it. The problem was the President should've never
allowed it to get to the point where the Democrats could say that if
you veto the bill, you don't love children.
....the President did not really do a good job of helping the American
people to understand what that real issue was.

HH: If you had been the President, would you have vetoed it?

MH: I wouldn't have let it get that far. That would have been the
difference. I would have made sure that we took charge of the
message better, and framed that issue better. Whoever frames the
issue wins the debate, and in this case...

Huckabee on SCHIP: 2/2
HH: But the Democrats in Congress sent it forward, Governor. ....
The Democrats in Congress have the majorities. They sent it forward.
If that bill landed on your desk as president, would you veto it?

MH: But once again, Hugh, who frames the issue wins the debate. If
you're the president of the United States, you can frame the issue,
because you have the bully pulpit. The one thing, the reason Bill
Clinton was so effective against a Republican Congress was because
there was one of him and there was 535 members of Congress. Their
message is divided, the president's isn't. So a president has to be
able to use the power of his office and to be the communicator in
chief, and not just the commander in chief. It's one of the most
important single roles that a president has.

HH: .... If that SCHIP bill is on your desk, do you sign it or do you
veto it?

MH: Hugh, it sounds like an easy question, but I'm telling you, I
wouldn't have allowed that bill to get to my desk in that form. It
needed to be vetoed financially, because it was a terrible bill from
the standpoint of $35 billion dollars. Politically, it was a very
unfortunate thing to have to veto, because it only makes Republicans
look like they don't care about kids. That's the mistake. The
political mistake of getting there was a disaster, and the Republicans
have to accept responsibility for that.

Novak is so wrong...typical of the GOP
see my townhall blog explaining this at

http://beyondtheory.townhall.com/Default.aspx

AR Eagle Forum Chairman pro-Huckabee
"I'm just so thankful that someone besides Phyllis Schlafly of Eagle Forum is on to Mike Huckabee!!"

from
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Newsroom.A rticle&ID=110
November 18, 2007
Dear Conservative Friends:

Let me go on record as supporting Mike Huckabee for President of the United States.
....
Mike Huckabee is our best hope to continue the progress the Christian community has made in recent years. His record is solid on the issues we as Christian conservatives are called to uphold. His record on social issues while Governor of Arkansas speaks for itself. But he is also more than pro-life and pro-family. He worked to implement accountability and efficiency in government and understands the link between economic growth and lower taxes.
....
Politics is a natural extension of society's values and government will always be a reflection of our beliefs - that is why we need to elect as President a man who shares our commitment to traditional values. It's time for Christian conservatives to unite behind Mike Huckabee - the only candidate shown to be consistent with the values of the Christian community.

Faithfully yours,
Patrick "Rick" Calhoun

Rick Calhoun is an Investment Banker and First Vice President of a regional securities firm in Little Rock. He has served on the board of the Arkansas Policy Foundation, Murphy Commission, and is a former Chairman of Eagle Forum of Arkansas.

Zogby Poll: Huckabee tops Clinton by 5%
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews2.dbm?ID=1393

Robert Novak - The False Journalist
Susan Stilley has posted a response to this article at http://www.politicsandchristianity.com

Here is the first paragraph from her response:

"The only thing that Robert Novak's article, "The False Conservative", proves is that Novak has apparently mastered the 'copy and paste' function on his keyboard. No journalistic digging and reporting, only repetition of rants by Arkansas discontents and organizations who feel their power threatened..."

TheEngin-- anti- killing of Baby Knauer?
[TheEngineer on November 26, 2007 6:44 PM]"It was an issue for the state of Florida and for the courts, not for the U.S. Congress or for the president."

If you were in 1938 Nazi Germany, would you have opposed or supported the killing of Baby Knauer?

From
1997 Wesley Smith on Germany's slippery slope slide from devaluing
some human life to a little euthanasia/ killing to mass killings
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1 %40individual.net
That case came to their
attention in late 1938. A baby had been born with birth
defects: Baby Knauer was blind and had a leg and part of
an arm missing. The parents were distraught and,
accepting the general value system of their time, were
deeply ashamed to have brought a useless eater into the
world. They wrote requesting permission to have their
child "put to sleep." Hitler was quite interested in the
case and sent one of his personal physicians, Karl
Rudolph Brandt, to investigate. Brandt's instructions

from the Fuhrer were to verify the facts of the baby's
condition and, if true, to assure the child's doctors and
her parents that if she was killed, no one would face
punishment or liability. Brandt was then to witness the
euthanasia and report back to Hitler. The doctors in the
case who met with Brandt agreed that there was "no
justification for keeping the child alive," and Baby
Knauer soon became one of the first victims of the
Holocaust.^27

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Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian, atheistic a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.0690 39.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963df a0eba?hl=en&

Novak lies habitually
He said Hillary had dirt on Obama-if she had any believe me she would be using it by now. LOL

Mike Huckabee is a fine Christian man with a solid pro family aganeda. Novak has always been soft on Gay rights, and the Any Rand atheists in the "club for greed"-

Money matters to Bob Novak more than morality which is shameful. mention moprality ot Bib and he scurried for the dictionary.

Novak is hollow and shallow and totally amoral. I actually feel sorry for him, He is the unhappieest man I ever seen on tv.

He never smiles, he only scowls.-because his God is money which never fills the god shaped vacuum in every non christians soul. He is a Pitiable little miser.

But, enough about poor bob novak:
Mike Huckabee has my vote and polls show him beatingng Hillary-who is actually finished politically anyway. Shes kind of a sad little lady whodoesnt know who she is or why she is on thsi earth. (how about to be a Christian mother Hil?)

Mike Huckabee is going to finish the career of the amateurish B Hussein Obama next Novemeber.

Happy days are here again-for all Christians-sorry about all you atheists, log cabin gays, massachusetts liberals, and abortionists.











Synthesizer
Of course I'd oppose it. It's a fairly irrelevant question, of course, as ending the keeping of a dead woman artificially alive against the will of her and of her husband is a far cry from murdering a disabled baby.

Strange poll results
The polls coming out of IA in late Dec and early Jan are likely to be suspect. The data will be gathered over Christmas and New Years and over the weekend just before the caucus. You get unreliable and strange results over the holidays and weekends, due to many factors but many people are traveling and that biases the results.

The skewed results may be used by weaker candidates to manipulate expectations.

Romney has the support and the GOTV to win and should. His poll numbers should hold up during the holidays.

re: Cornpone Harry
First of all, get your facts straight. Novak never claimed to have seen dirt Hillary had on Obama, he reported information that was relayed to him by contacts within the Democratic Party. If you have evidence that he, or his informant(s) are lying, then feel free to produce it. Otherwise, you're calling him a liar is pure speculation on your part. Not good enough.

As for Mr. Novak's morality, who are you to pass judgment? Again, what evidence do you have as to his moral values? Sorry, but whether or not he smiles on TV is not a good judge of a person's morals. Again: if you have evidence about his personal morals, feel free to produce it; otherwise, pure speculation on your part. Again: not good enough.

As for a "pro-family agenda", I consider it to be "pro-family" to lower taxes and provide more individual choices, which means less government intrusion. Based on his record, Gov. Huckabee believes that government should be making more decisions for individuals and families, not fewer.

The purpose of government is to protect individual liberty, not promote an agenda. Give people more choices, and then if you wish for them to choose a certain way feel free to use your First Amendment rights to try to persuade them and to band together with other like-minded people. That's the way to a freer, more prosperous society based on the ideals on which our country was founded.

@john galt: Novak did not fact check
Dear John Galt,

I said: "money matters more than morality to Bob Novak."

The reason I said that is because
Novak has made it clear time and again that he cares more about economic issues than the great moral issue of the day: abortion. If he thinks money matters more than the lives of babies he is immoral- in my opinion.

As for the insinuation "he will raise your taxes" baloney, I am sure you know that Mike Huckabee is for the fair tax and an end to the income tax-so saying he is going to raise your taxes is a bunch of flapdoodle. Because only you, and you alone, will decide how much your taxes will be-by the amount of your personal consumption.

as for Novaaks rumor mongering, He obviously did not fact check, and he has no clue if it’s true or not-and it’s now patently clear to all that it wasn’t true-but the truth doesn't matter to him anyway.

If you can call that honest or responsible, I don’t know what else to say to you. I certainly don't think he was honest in the way he gleefully passed on something he had no clue was true or false with reckless disregard for the truth of what he put into print. And simply placing the words "i was told" before the unverified rumor is just a fig leaf to cover his shameful lack of integrity.

If you pass on a check by endorsing it, even if you didn’t write it- it's a crime called "uttering". Novak *uttered* a lie. He wantonly passed on something with a reckless disregard for the truth or falsity of it.

In context, I noted that he never smiles; he only scowls to point out how those who put money before all other values are poor, miserable, unhappy wretches-like Bob Novak. Never smiling is not about "morality"; it’s just an indication of how unhappy Bob Novak is.

God Bless you, Mr. Galt. I hope you will begin reading the Bible instead of Atlas Shrugged.







Mike Huckabee is the real deal
He will tell you straight up who he is, what he thinks and his vision for the Country. He is not for open borders but he doesn't want to prosecute (or persecute) children of immigrants who came here illegally. He doesn't hold the children responsible for the parents' actions. Does that make you shudder?

He looked for ways to cut the budget when he was Governor of Arkansas and managed to cut taxes 94 times. Taxes increased to improve roads and education. Arkansas law requires a balanced budget and Gov. Huckabee had to go to the State Legislature to broker a deal on how to reach that balance. He found a way to bring the sides together - always with the best interests of the people of the State in mind. Does that make you shudder?

He has always been Pro-Life and Pro Traditional Marriage. He has always been Conservative, but he knows what it's like to work for living. He was handed anything. He earned it. Does that make you shudder?

I'll tell you what makes me shudder. A man who keeps his mouth shut when he knows who leaked information and lets another man go to prison. That makes me shudder.


View From Iowa
All over Iowa I've seen up close (armlength or closer) Hillary, Huckabee, Obama, Romney, Dodd, Giuiliani, Edwards, etc. etc. etc. and can can say from personal experience the reason why Huckabee and Obama are rising amongst those with up-close exposure experience is that Obama and Huckabee are the real deal and say what they think, while the others are mostly chasing the polls whichever way the winds blow them. The rest of the voters nation-wide, except maybe New Hampshirites, run mostly on TV media manipulations.

My mother, father, and sister live in Arkansas, and know that Arkansas prospered under Huckabee, so between his personal sincerity and his history of real-world accomplishment, it's clear he would make a great president no matter what Novak, the hero of yellowcake journalism, might want to lamely try to smear him with.

Christian socialism
Most adult Americans spend two-thirds of their waking hours exercising their economic freedom by working, shopping, and consuming. Most of the remaining one-third of their time they spend exercising their personal freedom, mostly in private and behind closed doors. The least amount of time is spent exercising political freedom by reading, speaking and writing about politics, political activism and voting. Given this obvious apportionment of time/freedom, it seems beyond question to me that economic freedom should be the most important to Americans.

Yet one hears very little in the political debate about the issues presently threating Americans' invaluable economic freedom, such as taxation, class war, socializing medicine, failing public schools, unfunded future entitlement liabilities, deficit spending and public debt. Instead, one hears a great deal about issues affecting Americans' personal and political freedom, such as abortion, stem-cell research, illegal immigration, separation of church and state, free speech, and wire-tapping terrorists. Worse, conservative Republicans, if any really exist nowadays, all seem happy to sing from this skewed songbook.

Even worse, a new brand of Christian socialist has arrived who masquerades as a conservative by hitting all the right notes on social issues while touting policies designed to undermine and eventually devour our economic freedom. Mike Huckabee is just such beast, and we ought to be very grateful to Mr. Novak for pulling off his mask.

re: Cornpone Harry, Nancy
re: CH
Again, you have no evidence that anything Novak reported is untrue. You have accusation, you have innuendo, you have no evidence. Your only justification is what you think you know about Hillary Clinton. Not good enough. Senator Clinton denies the charges... OHHHH, ok, I'm sure she's telling the truth. Not good enough.

As for the national sales tax advocated by Huckabee, again my question stands: if replacing the income tax with a sales tax is such a great idea, how come he never attempted to do so in Arkansas as governor? And I still believe doing so on the federal level is a pipe dream because it requires a Constitutional amendment to ensure we don't end up with both an income tax AND a sales tax; also, I believe, based on experiences elsewhere, that we'd end up with a VAT.

You know absolutely nothing about Mr. Novak's morals, you are the one "uttering". You don't like his message so you assume, accuse, distort, and mislead. Not good enough.

re: Nancy
Novak neither sent nor kept anybody in jail, another false claim. The source he refused to give up was Richard Armitage, who had already informed the special prosecutor of his role in the Plame affair. Instead, Novak kept his word, in spite of the extreme criticism he (unfairly) received in the press and elsewhere. That, to me, is integrity.

TheEng--Terri S. strongly wanted to live
Q: If you were in 1938 Nazi Germany, would you have opposed or supported the killing of Baby Knauer?

TheEngineer on November 26, 2007 11:59 PM: "Of course I'd oppose it."

On what basis/ grounds?

1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.050406 1225.4c675814%40posting.google.com

"ending the keeping of a dead woman artificially alive"

Terri Schindler Schiavo wasn't in a 'PVS'
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.3949 27.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/887931879.html
http://www.terrisfight.org/pages.php?page_id=37

"against the will of her"

Terri had an extremely strong will to live, as shown by the fact that she survived for 13 days without water. If she'd wanted to die, she would have died days earlier in response to the imposed dehydration.

1:20:26 - 1:20:45 on the video at
http://www.c-span.org/Search/advanced.asp?AdvancedQueryText =schiavo&StartDateMonth=&StartDateYear=&EndDateMonth=&EndDa teYear=&Series=&ProgramIssue=&QueryType=&QueryTextOptions=& ResultCount=10&SortBy=bestmatch

"against the will ... of her husband"

At one point, Michael Schiavo stood to gain big bucks upon the killing of Terri. It's no wonder Michael wanted her dead.

Terri Schindler Schiavo story with villains, victims, and heroes
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115741978.8204 40.50060%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

1:08:02 - 1:08:07 on the C-SPAN video URL above.

questions for Robert Novak re: Huckabee
[Novak]"he [Huckabee] seemed an underfunded, unknown nuisance candidate. Now that he has pulled even with Mitt Romney for the Iowa caucuses with the possibility of more progress"

history of the Huckabee campaign and its current surge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILPcnn9Sf94

"The danger is a serious contender for the nomination who passes the litmus test of social conservatives on abortion, gay marriage and gun control but"

Do you consider this a "danger"?:
there's a serious contender for the Republican nomination who *flunks* the litmus test of social conservatives on abortion, gun control, and society-approved 'marriage' between same-sex individuals engaging in homosexual activity.

Being solidly pro-life and pro-family is *critical* to the Republican nominee being able to beat Mrs. Clinton. Folger puts it well:

9 October 2007 "It's Huckabee or Hillary" by Janet Folger
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58045
Look, if all you care about is strong borders, less
government, low taxes and a strong stand against
Islamo-fascism, you had better hope the nominee is
pro-life and pro-marriage-- because that's the only
way you're going to get not just the vote, but the
heavy lifting it takes to win. Pro-lifers are known as
the ones to go door to door, pound in yard signs
and make the get-out-the-vote calls, and if they are
not motivated, excited and mobilized (as the
Democrats will be), you will not get their help....

"he [Huckabee] decided to lose 100 pounds and pressed his new lifestyle on the American people"

Fellow Townhall readers, has Huckabee "pressed his new lifestyle on" you?

Huckabee ran 4 marathons. Novak, has Huckabee forced you to start jogging?

I'd heard Terry Schiavo wasn't recoverin
Her husband didn't get her to the emergency room soon enough after she went into a coma from some mineral imbalance. I think it was a potassiam shortage that interferred with her heart. If she had been on some extreme diet that would explain what could have caused it. If her brain was dead no doctors would have been able to revive her. Her mother obviously held out some hope for her recovery. It was a sad situation what happened with Terry Schiavo but feeding tubes won't bring someone in such a condition back to life. What else would you have done in that situation other than disconnect her from artificial life support?

John Galt
You may not realize this, but the Republican Party has a platform. That platform includes a pro-life position. It is on that basis that I decree those who support abortion to be RINOs.

I'll agree with Goldwater at least on the last point of the sentence about moderation in the pursuit of justice, but not all liberty is worth defending.

You believe you're standing on the side of justice when advocating for more individual choice? Whatever happened to morality being a "personal" code only? Looks like that mask is starting to wear thin. You know as I do that morality is universal in nature, even if our conceptions of its precepts and what it entails differ.

Being conservative on fiscal matters is fine. I personally like lower taxes. I like my pocketbook to be nicely flush with cash. It also takes a backseat in priority when individual rights are threatened or violated. I find that folks who reverse this prioritization to be grossly mistaken.

re: Stoic Patriot
So you're saying that anyone who doesn't agree 100% with every plank in the Republican Party platform is a "Republican in Name Only"? I think you just disqualified 99.9% of the party. The platform has planks on education, trade, and other issues that with which there is much debate.

And yes, all liberty IS worth defending, so long as it doesn't interfere with the liberties of another. The purpose of government is to protect individual liberty, not to advance a "moral" agenda.

But... But...
...he's Chuck Norris approved! Anyone who disagrees with Chuck Norris is just asking for a triple roundhouse kick to the face!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDUQW8LUMs8

is giving water via tube 'life support'?
[Cooltruth on November 27, 2007 11:11 AM]"I'd heard Terry Schiavo wasn't recoverin"

Michael stopped having Terri get rehabilitation treatment many years ago.

"Her husband didn't get her to the emergency room soon enough after she went into a coma from some mineral imbalance."

I strongly suspect that Terri's collapse was from Michael strangling her.

Terri Schindler Schiavo story with villains, victims, and heroes
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115741978.8204 40.50060%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Mark Fuhrman's _Silent Witness: The Untold Story of Terri Schiavo's Death_
http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Witness-Untold-Story-Schiavos/ dp/B000EMSZ2O

"I think it was a potassiam shortage that interferred with her heart. If she had been on some extreme diet that would explain what could have caused it."

The 'extreme diet' trial-lawyer baloney was designed to extract $$$s during medical malpractice lawsuit trials.

"feeding tubes won't bring someone in such a condition back to life. What else would you have done in that situation other than disconnect her from artificial life support?"

Do you consider provision of food and water via a feeding tube "artificial life support"?

With proper rehabilitation treatment, Terri could have dispensed with the feeding tube, and instead taken water and food orally.

not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.3949 27.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Keep wannabe-Moses from Promised Land
randy crawford writes:
"[T]he reason why Huckabee [is] rising amongst [...] is that [he is] the real deal and [says] what [he] think[s], while the others are mostly chasing the polls whichever way the winds blow them."
Tuesday, November, 27, 2007 5:19 AM

Gays and guns are the ONLY issues that Huckster hasn't experienced a focus-grouped, campaign conversion over. While his 2nd Amendment position (as articulated on his website)is in perfect harmony with original intent, he's seriously misguided in wanting a Constitutional Amendment re-defining marriage -- which is the inescapable consequence of his position; Huck's Amendment will, necessarily re-define marriage as a federally licensed contract, instead of as a special religious covenant, between God and the couple (man and woman). While it's not surprising that gov would seek to replace God in this bond, why would a minister want to help make the switch?

Paul is correct in his position that marriage should remain a religious covenant. What else would Huck legislate? Will Huck's Amendment recognize marriage as a perpetual union, or will that distinction be reserved for the polygamous union of the several states? Will Huck's Amendment reverse unscriptural divorces, and have serial monogamists punished under adultery laws (since Christ's standard would qualify MOST re-marriages as adultery)? Or, is it possible that Huck is just a political opportunist, capitalizing on a popular public sentiment?

I'm a married (many years, only once, same woman)fundamentalist Christian, interested in shrinking -- NOT expanding -- gov't authority. Government is rarely a tool for social good (people who believe otherwise are called "socialists"), and is usually an instrument of evil (read 'Death by Government').

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is FORCE. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." -President Washington

"Tax 'em 'til they're prosperous!"
randy crawford writes:
[1]"[V]oters nation-wide...run mostly on TV media manipulations.

[2]My mother, father, and sister live in Arkansas, and know that Arkansas prospered under Huckabee, so between his personal sincerity and his history of real-world accomplishment, it's clear he would make a great president..."
Tuesday, November, 27, 2007 5:19 AM

1. You mean like that issue-neutral Chuck Norris campaign ad of Huck's?

2. Huck's "sincerity" questionable (although his charm -- not unlike another AR gubner -- is evident), and his "accomplishments" are dubious (not unlike Dukakis' "Massachusetts Miracle"). Even if your family's assessment were correct, are you suggesting that Huck taxed Arkansans into "prosperity"?

Huckaby is Bush II?
I believe President Bush is generally a decent man and I believe Huckabee is generally a decent man as well. I also believe that neither is a conservative.

Unfortunately, neither have grasped the truth that neither fiscal nor social conservatism can stand on their own. Ultimately, liberal social policy will result in liberal fiscal policy and vica vesa. Allowing the country to be destroyed by not dealing with goverment largesse and allowing our counntry to slide into 2nd world status by not protecting our borders and the value of citizenship in not true compassion. We need someone who understands this basic truth.

Further, I would prefer a candidate who has some kind of track of being a conservative longer than the last couple of years,i.e. longer than when they decided to run for president and realized that they needed to be more conservative to win in the Republican primary.

Finally, we need to get someone who can win in the general. That means the candidate does need to be able to unite and excite the Republican base that has been winning elections since 1980.

Without that kind of candidate we will not win.


Ron Paul anti-1964Civil Rights Act- r u?
AfricanAmericans4Paul, Ron Paul opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Do you oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

The Trouble With Forced Integration
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul188.html

14 November 2007
The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters
by Andrew Walden, in "The American Thinker"
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaig n_and_its.html
The ugly mishmash of hate groups backing Paul
has a Sheehan connection as well. David Duke is a
big Cindy Sheehan supporter eagerly proclaiming
"Cindy Sheehan is right" after Sheehan said, "My
son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel."
Stormfront.org members joined Sheehan at her
protest campout in Crawford, TX and posed with her
for photos. Sheehan is also intimately associated
with the Lew Rockwell libertarian website which has
posted over 200 articles by Ron Paul as well as
some "scholarly" 9-11 conspiracy theories.

Ron Paul is anti-life re: the cognitively disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1194894277.278146.9501 0%4057g2000hsv.googlegroups.com

Shame on you...
Synthesizer,

1st of all, Ron Paul wasn't even elected to congress until 12 years AFTER the Civil Rights Act was passed. Secondly, Dr. Paul's opposition to bills is generally based on their substance, not their titles; for instance, although he is a great patriot, Dr. Paul voted against the PATRIOT Act. You wouldn't really attempt to argue that Paul's opposition to that particular piece of legislation indicates a lack of patriotism on his part, would you? If an unscrupulous member of congress proposes The Puppies and Kittens Act, will you characterize Dr. Paul's opposition to it as indicative of a desire to strangle puppies and drown kittens? Of course you won't...not unless you're a shameless huckster, anyway.

Most laws are constructed to increase the power of the state, and titled to dupe the masses. Don't believe me? Read the 13th Amendment with a critical mind sometime (do it now). The wording or the amendment doesn't exactly accomplish what it claims. Instead, it legislatively converts slavery (forced labor) from a private to a public enterprise (it's called a "loophole"). In fact, Prison Industries have provided a profit motive for incarceration. So, slavery was abolished, but my people still labor behind bars, for slave wages and a promise of time off of their sentences -- sentences often imposed for nonviolent drug offences (victimless "crimes"). Ron Paul is the only candidate that wants to let my people go. I'll stick with Ron Paul.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution!

RonPaul2008.com

Facts, Novak, facts!
What I want to know is, why do people like Mr. Novak (who I have a great amount of respect for btw) use specific facts and examples that prove their point instead of simply bagging on Huckabee's record generally.

Almost all of Huckabee's decisions that could be taken as pro-big government or whatever can be defended with fact and logic. That is why people like Novak don't want to be too specific in their criticism. He didn't even feel the need to mention that Huckabee cut taxes 90+ times. Why not, Mr. Novak?

Also...I really get frustrated with Paul supporters. I like Paul, even though I am ont voting for him, which is why it pains me to see so many of his supporters get downright nasty in their criticisms of other candidates.

You would think that they would at least try and be civil as a way of reflecting well on him (there are exceptions of course).

As it is they simply give more fodder to the
"mad grandpa" label undeservedly slapped on Paul by many.

AfricanAmericans4Paul
"AfricanAmericans4Paul writes: Saturday, December, 01, 2007 3:18 AM
Shame on you...
Synthesizer,"

Nice job! Brilliant!


Israel or Oil, Huck? Which is it?
JohnLemski writes:
"Nice job! Brilliant!"
Sunday, December, 02, 2007 5:46 PM

Thanks, John, but I forgot to mention the Huckster's deceptive Middle East policy:

Huckleberry has been recently saying that he favors US withdrawal from the Middle East, as soon as we become "energy independent." His new mssage cleverly panders to both greens and non-interventionists. "Then they can keep their sand and their oil," he now says.

Huck's new rhetoric suggestsa conviction that oil is the only reason we're in the region, a position inconsistent with a moral defense of the war; is this former minister really admitting a desire to "kick their @$$ and take their gass"? Or is this just rhetorical raw meat for his meathead WWE base?

Interestingly, his campaign website states plainly that he intends to continue to blindly allow Israel to dictate US foreign policy in that region. If Israel really is Huck's Middle East policy, then he is lying, when he says that US energy independence will alter US foreign policy in that region.

Huck is aware of the inconsistency. He isn't stupid. He's a very cunning man. He realizes that most of his supporters don't have the equipment to think too deeply about his policy proposals. He's smart enough to know that enough people aren't, maybe even enough to get him nominated.

Problem for Huck is that he remiinds too many Americans of Hillary's husband, and will inspire no crossover votes, and a very week conservative turnout, even if he did get nominated. As charming and glib as he is, he is still a cheap immitation of a cheap hustler. Huck is a general election loser -- even without a 3rd party challenger. No wonder he is Hillary's dream opponent.

There is only one candidate whose nomination depends on primary voters actually deciding to use their brains.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution!

RonPaul2008.com
TeaParty07.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU_oUuIcPkg
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