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Saturday, September 22, 2007
Robert Novak :: Townhall.com Columnist
Rudy's Coup
by Robert Novak
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WASHINGTON -- Rudy Giuliani scored a hit with conservative activists by getting ahead of his Republican presidential competitors in blasting Sen. Hillary Clinton for not denouncing MoveOn.org's attack on Gen. David Petraeus.

Giuliani caught the spirit of Republican rage over the left-wing MoveOn.org's full-page ad in The New York Times. On the day Petraeus presented his report on Iraq, the ad demeaned him as "General Betray Us." Giuliani asked: "Who should America listen to -- a decorated soldier's commitment to defending America, or Hillary Clinton's commitment to defending MoveOn.org?"

Washington-based conservatives this week voiced approval that Giuliani was hitting Clinton instead of other Republican presidential hopefuls.

DOLLARS FOR FRED

Republican campaign donors who have been bombarded for two years with appeals for funds from Republican presidential candidates on Thursday received their first direct mail plea from Fred Thompson, who asked for a contribution ranging from $35 to $2,300.

Thompson's personalized letter asserts that "as long as our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have hope and optimism, we should too" but does not take a position on President Bush's war policy. Rejecting Bush's stand on immigration, Thompson says: "We cannot effectively solve our problem with legal immigration until our borders are secured." The letter quotes Ronald Reagan but does not mention George W. Bush.

A footnote: Thompson's bid for the evangelical right suffered a setback Wednesday when social conservative leader James Dobson said he could not support Thompson, contending he has "no passion, no zeal." Thompson's agents encountered a cool reception at a gathering of conservatives this week who were high on Rudy Giuliani.

GOP DISSENTER

Rep. Ray LaHood, in his seventh and last term as a Republican House member, is working with his fellow Illinoisan, House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel, to seek Republican votes to override an expected veto by President Bush of an expanded State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP).

While LaHood was chief of staff for then House Minority Leader Bob Michel before replacing him from his Peoria district in the 1994 election, he was a rare GOP holdout that year who did not sign the Contract with America.

LaHood has told colleagues he would be willing to lead a GOP House delegation to the White House after the SCHIP bill passes next week to urge the president not to veto it. There is no sign Bush would be open to such a visit.

DEMOCRAT FOR HALEY

A prominent Democrat attended the Washington fundraising reception in the downtown Sofitel hotel last week for Mississippi Republican Gov. Haley Barbour's re-election campaign: super-lobbyist Tommy Boggs.

Barbour, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee and White House political aide, is a national figure in the GOP. Boggs, both of whose parents were Democratic House members from Louisiana, is a major contributor and fundraiser for his party.

Barbour and Boggs were fellow capital lobbyists before Barbour returned to Mississippi. They were founding partners in the Caucus Room, a Washington steakhouse favored by political insiders.

DOWNGRADING DETROIT

The Health and Human Services (HHS) Department raised the ire of Detroit by advising its employees by e-mail last month in a "HHS Energy News Report" to buy cost-efficient motor vehicles. It recommended 12 models -- not one made by a U.S. auto manufacturer.

In a bipartisan letter to HHS Secretary Mike Leavitt, all 15 of Michigan's House members protested. "You may be interested to know that U.S. auto manufacturers sell a wide range of fuel efficient, clean fuel cars, SUVs and trucks," they told Leavitt. "Consumers can choose from a wide variety of models made by American auto companies that get over 30 miles per gallon."

The memo, calling for "a smart choice when selecting a vehicle to drive," urged purchases of smaller sedans instead of sport utility vehicles (SUVs), which are the top product of American companies.

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Oh, BS, Novak, on RINO Rudy
Stop already, you senile old fool.

The guy laid a big fat bomb today at the NRA, and without us he's toast.

Man! I can't believe you get paid for your "analysis".

My BLOG is about 10 times better than the peurile crap that you write, and no one's paying me dime one.

Ho Hum.
Giuliani's coup? Get real Bob. It is going to take a lot more than confronting Hillary about Move On for Rudy to win any votes where I live. The man is an anti-gun, liberal politician who supports abortion on demand. He is a bum. Forget him.

VETERANS are for Fred
Robert, even though you favor Rudee, VETERANS are still for Fred and they are signing up for him at:

http://Vets4Fred.net

VETERANS are for Fred
Robert, even though you favor Rudee, VETERANS are still for Fred and they are signing up for him at:

http://Vets4Fred.net

Rudy has a point
about Hillary. New Yorkers know New Yorkers. My folks are going to vote for him because their primary interest is safety. I will vote for him if he is the nominee -- because the President cannot ban guns and as the past 8 years have proved, the American people are experts at ignoring positions they do not like.

I can't believe I read this old fool
He is a gossip columnist, not a news reporter.

Regarding Rudy, the only thing I will say is that is about time that Rudy attacked someone other than another Republican, and he did get a couple points from me by using the NYT to attack Hillary's MoveOn PAC. Those who doubt that Hillary owns it need to only remember how moveon got started; it was originally to take impeachment off from BJ Clinton after he perjured himself and got caught.

Finally, LaHood's constituents need to bring him home. For any Republican to try to have Bush not veto that piece of Socialist legislation needs to go home in disgrace.

Now, Bob, go gossip somewhere else.

Hillary and MoveOn.org
There's a combo!

Rudy and all Republicans should remind the American public of the MoveOn/Hillary connection.The two are attached to the hip and are thisclose. Just like white or paper.

Let the American people know about George Soros. The folks have right to know who's backing who.

Get smart Rep. Party!!!! Run an ad in the NYT. Show a picture of Soros and all the MoveOn gang with Hillary! Here's the headline..............

HILLARY AND FRIENDS

RINO Rudy and Bob
There is so much wrong with this column:

1. Rudy Giuliani scored a hit with conservative activists….

2. Washington-based conservatives this week voiced approval….

3. Thompson's personalized letter asserts ….

4. Thompson's agents encountered a cool reception at a gathering of conservatives this week who were high on Rudy Giuliani…

Rudy. How about the obvious bias against Fred? He "asserts" and he got a "cool reception" from conservatives. Bob, you and SteveL are alike, clamoring to be heard as a conservative and yet espousing liberal dogma to the heavens.

As BrianR says…. Stop already, you senile old fool and give me a break.


Robert Novak Column
Why is Novak so anti-Thompson?
At least Fred has enough BRAINS to turn off
his cell phone when he is addressing an audience.
And to talk to his wife, at that!!! How rude!!

Rudy's coup?
Just saying what all the other candidates say? Most are blasting hillary on a daily basis.

He's right about Thompson - he's showing he's not quite ready for prime time. I feel kind of sorry for him at this point.

for Vic
Vic writes: "Bob, you and SteveL are alike, clamoring to be heard as a conservative and yet espousing liberal dogma to the heavens."

Hey, did somebody mention my name? :-)

Actually, I admit you're probably going to get your wish in the primaries. According to recent polls, most rank-and-file Republicans said that having a candidate who agrees with their values is more important than having a candidate who is the most electable.

So you may very well get Fred as your nominee. And in the general election, Fred will lose Ohio, of course, and every Blue State too, and Hillary will be the next President with an Electoral College majority.

But to you, that's more important than nominating a Republican who doesn't share your values.

OK. You've made the choice. I only hope when you see Hillary take the oath of office, you don't regret it.

SteveL
Accoring to your philosophy you should vote for Fred if he gets the nomination event though you don't agree with him politically. Will you?

Robert

You didn't know there was oil under the Everglades until the press made a big deal out of it. In fact, I doubt that you know where the Everglades is.

Robert the "I'm always wrong Bore"
I never said that I will stay at home if Fred is not nominated. In fact, I have stated on repeat occassions that that is the wrong tactic for conservatives to take. Currently my feeling is that I will vote for any Republicqn candidate BUT Rino Rudy or Magot McShame.

Who will you vote for? Oh, that's right, illegal aliens can't vote.

Brian, Skip,AudiR10
Rudy is capable, head and shoulders above his competition as a pol, and strikes a nice balance between flip floppping and standing behind his previous actions, as he moves from the NY arean to National stage. I see no reason yet to trust him, let alone support him. I will not vote for him in our Florida primary. Depending on further events, i may vote for him if he is the GOP candidate, maybe not.
Interesting and hopeful column on possible upset in Mass. What do y'all think?

RANDOM THOUGHTS

.....Hillary is a Communist ...Rudy is not ...

.....If Rudy is a Liberal ...why do the Democrats fear him so much? ...

.....The majority of the Electorate consider themselves to be Independent and moderate ...the candidate who can carry this group will become the next President ...

.....Looks should never decide a Presidential race but unfortunately ...in our celebrity oriented nation looks can be the deciding factor ...Nixon was winning the election against Kennedy until the TV debates and bad make up ...

.....Thompson looks tired and old on TV ...his craggy wrinkled face doesn't help his chances ...Abe Lincoln would not have been elected if his debates were on TV ...

.....Mitt Romney has the looks and is articulate but being a Governor of Liberal Mass. makes it tough for Conservatives to embrace him ...

.....Ron Paul runs on the Constitution ...most of the Federal Government Departments are UnConstitutional ...so why doesn't he challenge them in Federal Court instead of casting symbolic votes on Bills he knows will never pass? .....COLOSSUS

Rudy, Rudy He's our Hombre
Both parties want Hillarity vs Rudy, the media wants Hillarity vs Rudy, but most of all the cheap labor express wants Hillarity vs Rudy. Either way they win, they get amnesty for themselves and their employees and get to import more cheap labor at the expense of the citizens.

Hunter For America


If we wish to keep our representative Republic, we must elect a President who will secure the borders and enforce the laws. The actions of the next President will determine the fate of this great nation. Texans have been on the front line of this inundation and understand its consequences. They know that Duncan Hunter is the one man who can be trusted to do what needs to be done. Hunter won the Texas straw poll handily.

The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.

http://www.gohunter08.

Mitt
Yea hut Mitt caught the rage of Americans over Ahmadinejad coming to NY and the prospect of him visiting the UN, Ground Zero, and U of Columbia, and the National Press Club. He said if he were president he would serve him with arrest papers and arrest him for violating the Genocide Convention and wrote a letter to the UN president asking him to revoke the invitation to the UN.




AudiR10! Man!
You are completely naive about the political process and the President's place in it as to the gun issue.

The President either signs or vetos the legislation. He's CRITICAL to the process!

A President RINO Rudy, who is a gun-banner, would be a HUGE blow to gun ownership. The Dems would be proposing all kinds of gun legislation. Does the Clinton Assault-Weapon Ban ring any bells for you?

Why do you think it has his name attached to it? He's the one who PROPOSED it, and Congress obliged him.

C'mon, man, wake up and smell the bacon frying!


BrianR
Wow, I completely missed that post of Audi's. Audi, have you gone over to the dark side?

Nobody's perfect
Sometimes I do not understand my fellow conservatives. I know that we all want a real true conservative, someone who is tough on terrorism, cognizant of our border problem, is pro-life, wants to cut taxes, is a traditional christian, is willing to take on China, takes no B.S. from the drive-by media, will not socialize the health care system, and after all that, also has great hair. Oh, and there can never be a hint of scandal in his life, ever. Well unfortunately such a candidate is hard to come by. The current crop of candidates features all of these qualities but each one has one or two problems that immediately disqualifies him from consideration from the real die-hard 'I won't be fooled again by another RINO' conservative. Ya'll had better wise up and quick. If one of our guys doesn't win this thing then one of theirs does, and have you seen those people? It is scary to think what sort of havoc they could wreak on our country. Whoever the nominee is, we as conservatives must come together or else...

Rudolph "Rudy" Guliani
Guliani is not pro life, either of unborn children or of terrorists. He is a funny looking old man but everybody knows who he is. He does not have a six inch part in his hair and that could be a problem. He is a tax-cutter, though not particularly strong on the 2nd amendment. Probably his biggest asset his willingness to engage the drive-by media in such fashion as we have only dreamed George W. Bush would do. Also, he was a mayor, an executive. Americans historically prefer executives to legislators when choosing a president. The last Senator to be elected president was John F. Kennedy. Before that you have to go back to the 1920 election. Bush 43, Clinton, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter- all were governors. A mayor is not a governor but is better than a senator. If
Rudy is the choice of the party, I will support him.

FDT and Evangelicals
FYI, contrary to the MSM and others, James Dobson doesn't speak for most evangelicals. Though I respect Dr. Dobson, his disdain for Thompson has zero impact on my vote.

On the DOMA, why would Thompson back a piece of legislation with no chance of success, which will only make him appear beholden to "far right?"

Note to Fred: the press, Bobby Novak and friends are going to praise Rudy 24/7, so you gotta fight twice as hard to get heard. Only a gloves off brawl of a campaign will usher in a conservative into the WH and a conservative revolution in Congress.

Hold Your Nose And Lose Your Country
We have one more election to save our country. Hold your nose and vote for another cheap labor express candidate in the primaries and kiss America goodbye. We must nominate someone who will uphold the law and secure the border. Give Americans a clear choice between surrendering the rule of law and our sovereignty, ala the Democrat nominee, or voting for keeping our country. We could have a landslide victory if we nominate someone who WILL secure the border and enforce the law. 75-80% of American citizens oppose amnesty and want their government to do its job.

Sorry, HankRearden
Conservatives to the GOP are like Blacks to the Dems: mushrooms. Keep us in the dark, and cover us with BS.

They pander to us come election time, but once it's over it's "Who? What? Gotta go, call me later!".

What a crock.

We heard all these same rationalizations last year, the Chicken Littling about "Speaker Pelosi", hysteria, end of the world, the Universe will blow up.

Guess what? Pelosi and Reid have managed to drive Congress's approval ratings so low they're covered with undiscovered crude oil. And it's the DEM party that rightfully gets the blame for that.

In a Hillary v. Bald Hillary matchup, either way a lib ends up in the WH. So let's again let the DEMS take the blame for the disastrous policies that will result.

Conservatives don't OWE the GOP a damned thing. They need to EARN our vote.

John McCain
John McCain has been a royal pain in my side ever since he lost the 2000 primary. It seems like every time Republicans were poised to make a move McCain was there to gum up the works. Of all the candidates he is the one I most ardently opposed at the outset of this electoral season. Admittedly I have softened on him as the campaign has transpired. The author of the 'screw the first amendment act' (CFR)has also been one of the only members of the senate (Joseph Lieberman being the other) to defend our troops and their mission without hesitation. His real war hero service combined with his not bragging about it every five minutes (John Kerry) is a big plus. He is not a big tax cutter, he is not reliable on the border, but he is pro-life. As Hugh Hewitt so accurately put it, 'McCain is a great American, a lousy senator, and a terrible Republican'. I agree. The fact that he is a Senator does not help either. Plus he lacks the six-inch part. Of all the candidates on the republican side I like McCain the least. If he were to win the candidacy, I would support him.

BrianR
Yeah good for you, dude, but you're not going like her socialized healthcare program. If you think Hillary and Rudy are the same, then you are a damned fool. Rudy's not my first choice, then again he's not the nominee either. At least, not yet. You have got to understand that Hillary Clinton is Jugo Chavez in a pant-suit. Yeah conservatives don't owe the GOP anything, but we do owe posterity a better nation then the one we inherited. If that woman becomes president, we will have gone a long distance towards failing in that cause. This is not about your feelings. It is about the future of the country.

Mitt Romney
Romney is a Governor, very important. He at least appears to be pretty conservative on most things, except apparently health care. He's a self-made millionaire. He's pro-life. He's got a wonderful family and great hair. Plus he has the added bonus of potentially snagging Michigan where his father was a very popular Governor. But he is a mormon, and though I do not care a wit about it some people are really turned off by it. He is not perfect, even though he looks the part. On balance, if he wins the primary, I will enthusiastically support his candidacy.

I'm a fool, HankRearden
Well, bud, you better take a look in a mirror.

I do indeed find Clinton and Giuliani two peas in a pod.

Giuliani:

Appointed incredibly leftist judges as mayor.

Pro gun-control

Pro taxpayer funding for abortions

Thinks the Bill of Rights is subject to federalism and local interpretation

Pro illegal alien, declared NYC an amnesty city

Considers Roberts "just as qualified as Ginsburg" on SCOTUS. Obviously, SHE'S his standard.

You think I'm going to vote for him just because he's right on one or two issues, and wrong on all the rest? Hell, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn occassionally.

Man, if I'm a fool, you're a blithering idiot.

TC says:
"Rudy and all Republicans should remind the American public of the MoveOn/Hillary connection.The two are attached to the hip and are thisclose. Just like white or paper."

You bet - this will remind Americans of the fialure of the war - that Warpublicans ain't got nothing better than moveOn - certainly no progress in Iraq...

Nice try, though

HankRearde
None of the true conservatives like Hillary's healthcare plan but it doesn't matter who gets elected on that issue if the Republcan is a RINO and proposes one just like it. It also doesn't matter who gets elected if more than 10 Republican Senators support it. Currently we have 5 reliably Democrat (RINOs), 5 more who side with them sometimes (SRINOs), and 3 more who lean that way on certain issues (LRINOs).

Fred Thompson
This guy is very interesting. A former senator who was a big part of passing McCain-Feingold, which appears to be his biggest black mark. He also has the added benefit of convincing probably a large chunk of democrat voters that they are actually voting for the lawyer he plays on T.V. With Thompson the attraction is almost all about marketing and packaging, and that does seem to be very appealing. He is strong on the border, and that alone could move him above the rest, but maybe not. He has a good 'ol boy nature about him that will likely win in the south and the midwest. He is not my first choice, but I would enthusiastically support his candidacy.

Vic
O.K. fine then we need to concentrate on the senate races as well. It absolutely does make a difference if Hillary is in there as opposed to a not 100% conservative. Believe me, I want the most conservative nominee we can find, but any of the guys on our side is better than any of the schmucks on their side. Do you really want Hillary to micro manage the war? Because you know that that's what's coming. All I'm saying is that if the republicans do not win then the democrats do, and they are dangerously incapable of protecting our nation.

Anti-smoking zealots in NYC
Smoking is banned in NYC, here’s what Rudy’s successor really wanted for enforcers (Taliban type thugs who cut off fingers of smokers):

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2007/09/10/nydaily-news-distorts-fred-thompsons-al-qaeda-smoking-comment

What position does Rudy take?

And the media of course just attacks Rudy for discussing it.

There is one Democrat
I would definitely vote for, even if he was only running for dog catcher: Joe Lieberman. And there is one Republican I definitely wouldn't vote for, not even for dog catcher: Rudy Guiliani...throw in McCain as well.

LOL, MotCrue!
Well...... that actually makes TWO, then!

Dem side, I'd vore for Zell Miller in a heartbeat....... or a New York Minute, LOL!

(How appropriate)

BrianR
Look man, I am not the biggest Guliani fan in the world. I am saying I'd prefer him over fidel clinton. Communism is state-sponsored slavery. Rudy is no communist, Hillary is. I mentioned the problems I have with Rudy, and he is in no way my favorate candidate. A huge part of this equation is whether or not the libs will be controlling congress. If they are, and Jugo Clinton is commander in chief, then we are all seriously screwed. I may be a blithering idiot, but even I can see another Clinton presidency as an unmitigated disaster that goes far beyond whatever pain you think Rudy will inflict on the country.


Mike Huckabee
Unless something seriously bizarre occurs between now and primary time, this is the man I will be supporting. He is a governor. He speaks well. He has a very positive family life. He is a traditional christian. He has decent hair. AND he happens to be right on just about everything. He supports the fair tax which is huge (a personal favorate of mine). He is strong on immigration, he is strong on the war on terror (which happens to be the subject of my blog today-not that any of you people care). He has all of his cultural conservative ducks in a row. He has a health care deal that is not socialism. He's from the south. If any of you conservatives out there are still undecided, take a good look a Huckabee. Not only do I think he's the best chance to win, he's the real deal on conservative values. Now, somebody please tell me how wrong I am.

Well, HankRearden
That makes you a GOP Apologist, or as I call them in an essay on my blog, a GOP Enabler.

No matter what dreck the GOP throws your way, you'll vote for it uncritically, thus ensuring the GOP suffers no consequences for promoting candidates who don't stand for the traditional values, principles, or planks of the Republican party.

This enables the GOP to keep pandering Left for votes, looking for a mythical and non-existent uncommitted electorate in their purported quest for "post-partisanship".

You like Jorge Bush? I hope so, because a Giuliani administration would make Bush's look like the Golden Days of Conservatism.

The GOP seems to have a death wish. They're going the way of the WHIGS, once one of the two major parties, that lost its way over the issue of slavery and was replaced by an upstart third-party, the Republicans.

It may well be time for that type of history to repeat itself. But a Giuliani nomination will guarantee minority status of the GOP for a looooong time to come.

Fact: Since 1980 the GOP presidential nominee has won every time -- and only when -- endorsed by the NRA.

No way does RINO Rudy, a straigh-F rated candidate, get that nomination.

BrianR
Call me whatever you want, the fact of the matter remains that IF REPUBLICANS LOSE THEN DEMOCRATS WIN. I don't know how to make it any simpler than that. I have already said that Guliani is not my man, but against Hillary I will vote for Rudy, for God's sakes man there is a difference. I would much rather have (in order)Huckabee, Romney, or Thompson to Guliani. Yes I am enabling the republican party, you wanna tell me just what the hell is so attractive about the democrats running the country? Because that is what's in store for us if we lose. Have you been paying attention to what those people have been saying and doing over the last, oh, seven years (and that's being nice). Yes I want a real conservative (Huckabee), short of that, I will take a republican.

Rearden, you miss my obvious point
yet again.

I'll try to make it simple for you.

THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HILLARY AND THE BALD HILLARY.

They are BOTH liberals, so it makes no difference if the lib in the WH has an (R) or a (D) behind the name.

I don't care one tinker's damn about party labels. I care about policies.

As a matter of fact, Bald Hillary's simply running in the wrong party; he should be a Dem candidate.

Get it now?

BrianR
You left out your most cogent point, that the correct party gets the blame for the liberal policies if the D is in office. I would rather have almost any of the R's over any of the D's, except those in the pocket of the cheap labor express. That leaves out McCain, Rudy, and unfortunately Huckabee. I really like the guy, but he favors amnesty/regularization/whatever euphamism you like for not enforcing the laws.

BrianR.
I forgot about Zel Miller. Love the guy. Would vote for him in a heartbeat. Miller and Lieberman would make a great Potus and second in command. They could win, because they'd get a lot of conservative votes. I don't think anti-semitism would be a relevant factor. Too bad they're not running.

With Rudy, it would be an extension of the Bush comprehensive immigration and amnesty program.

VaPat, MotCrue
VaPat: Excellent point! Let the (D)s take the heat for the disasterous failure of liberalism.

MotCrue: I'm not that wild about Lieberman, in all honesty, but at least he's honest, and he's better than RINO Rudy on a host of issues.

Still really bad on 2nd Amendment, though.

2 thoughts
What is with the wall to wall Rudy coverage on Town Hall?

2nd I am not outraged by Move on and their ad. I am glad. The faster they pull the Dem party to the left, McGovernize it, and split it, the better. Go Move on. You are doing the country a big service by destroying the Dems on national security. You forced each of the Dem Presidental hopefuls to endorse your ad. They will have trouble with independents as things improve in Iraq.

TO ALL IL DUCE’S BLACKSHIRTS!!
A Rudy nomination will lead to the GOP’s biggest drubbing since 1932.

WHY?
1.Rudy’s personal life is a freak show.
2.Rudy is pro abortion.
3.Rudy is anti Second Amendment.
4.Rudy believes the world ends at the Hudson.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
5.RUDY REALLY IS A BIG GOVERNMENT SOCIALIST.

IF THIS IS CONFUSING TO YOU COME OUT TO FLY OVER COUNTRY AND WE WILL EXPLAIN MORE COMEPLETELY.

Don't have much
to add. I do want to remind Hank that Bush and his RINO congress passed the perscription bill that is the biggest additional entitlement in many years, and a highway bill which is acknowleged to be the biggest pork barrel ever. Giuliani maight well do worse. If this kind of nastiness takes place with a RINO at the helm, the chances for a voter revolt are greatly diminished. If a DEM is in the WH when the pooh hits the fan, we could well have a voter revolt similar to what the GOP had to deal with after '29. This seems to me to be the most likely way to turn the country around without major suffering.

Fred
I like Fred. He has a natural constituency as a good ole Southern Boy. However, he is not a conservative. He is a moderate who served as Senator from a conservative state. Further, I do not think he will win the nomination and I also think he will lose the general if he wins the nomination. He just has to much of the wrong baggage.

Rudy on the other hand is a liberal and is milking his 9/11 image for national poll numbers as he evolves away from his liberal past. The only things that make Rudy viable at this point are 1. his 9/11 image which 2. causes his national poll numbers which 3. cause a lot of Reps to think he can win the general election.

Rudy will have trouble when all of the Reps realize how liberal he consistently has been prior to running for Pres. Rudy does not flip flop as much as he "slow motions to the right"

We have a couple of pretty flawed front runners and are in trouble.

HANKREARDEN

I would support the Creature from the Black Lagoon if that is what it would take to keep Hillary out of the White House ...the woman is a Communist and is is dangerous even if she only serves one term ...

.....We are still paying for the mistakes Jimmy Carter made and he was only elected because Nixon haters were ticked off that Ford gave him a pardon ....a perfect example of shooting yourself in the foot to teach the Party a lesson .....COLOSSUS

baseballdoc
and Peanut Jimmy gave us Reagan. Its just a shame that the RINOs after Reagan blew the chance to set things straight. We might need another Jimmy to get another Reagan, with another shot at convincing the frog to jump out of the pot.

BRIANR

.....I am beginning to suspect that you are a Liberal troll who is trying to torpedo the Republican Party ...your support of Paul ...a fraud who has no chance of winning ...he won't even win the primary in Texas ...and your constant bashing of Giuliani and willingness to endure a Democrat (Hillary) Presidency ...makes me suspicious ...

.....I now await your attack on my judgement and character .....COLOSSUS

baseballdoc
If I'm not mistaken BrianR has stated his support for Thompson, Hunter, Tancredo, but not Paul. Many of us will not support the creature from the black lagoon (thanks for the new nickname for Rudy). Bubba's election in '92 paved the way for the GOP winning Congress in '94 for the first time in 50 years.

BBalldoc
LOL, bud. What support of Paul? I don't support Paul at all, so you haven't been paying attention.

As to the rest of your absurd post: you learn those tactics at Lib School? You don't agree with me, so I'm a lib?

BTW, how can I be a lib and support Paul all at the same time?

I'll use your own "logic" on you: You support a sure-fire election-loser like Giuliani. Hmmmm. Sounds like the work of a Dem operative to me!

What a loon.



VaPat, Sam
VaPat, you're exactly right, in your naming of who I support, and your assessment of the situation.

Sam, I couldn't agree with you more. Here's another interesting stat for you, which I heard yesterday. California has a larger population of Mexicans than 27 of the 30-some-odd Mexican states. How about THEM apples?



But then, guys, what do I know? I'm only a Ron Paul-supporting lib/Dem!



BrianR
There very much is a difference between Hillary and Rudy. Yes they are both liberal, but it's like comparing Joseph Lieberman to Joseph Stalin. I am not particularly interested in seeing Guliani become President, what I am saying is I will take that way before Hillary, and it's not because of party affiliation. It very much is about the amount of damage a Clinton presidency would wreak as opposed to the comparartively little damage (read: misery)a Guliani administration would. I don't even care if it's McCain instead of Hillary. This is serious. You've got to understand how power hungry this woman and her party are.

BrianR
That's frightening. I have heard that as much as 40% of the population of California are illegal aliens. CA, NM, TX, and AZ may already be lost. We have to stop the inundation soon or risk losing the whole country.

If the cheap labor express is successful in buying "the creature from the black lagoon" the GOP nod, I will vote third party. Maybe in 2010 the GOP will have gotten its collective head out of its posterior. Or there will be a new party to take the place of the "new Whigs".

Patience, Sam
Its early yet. We won't really know doodly until some primaries. I like Hunter myself, but who knows what the voters really think. The media, mainstream and otherwise hasn't a clue. It is a bit frustrating that even with their backs to the wall and ammo gone, the republican survivors of 06 won't fix bayonets and charge. Gutless surrender monkeys.

Hank
With all due respect. If the GOP thinks they can continue to import cheap labor for their donors at the expense of the citizens, they will. I will not vote for that again. If it takes crushing the GOP so a new party representing American citizens can arise, so be it. If we continue to play the game of "the other guy is worse", we will lose our country. Sorry, but I will not participate in that game any longer. The GOP power brokers think we will vote for "anybody but a Democrat" so they can continue to ignore securing the borders and enforcing the laws. I'm hoping GOP primary voters give the party elites some surprises in the primaries. I want to vote for a GOP candidate in Nov.'08, I will not vote for any of the amnesty supporters, McCain, Rudy, Huckabee.

RINO Rudy supporters
coninually assert that Rudy will carry the more liberal States of the North and West for Republicans and yet the polls show that Romney is leading in those states.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/republican_primaries.html

Is there something I'm missing there?

The only thing Mitt
has going for him is Rudy, McCain and decent financing. Unless his true colors move left, i would at least consider him if were the GOP candidate. He is not my first choice.

Name calling
I am so fed up with all of the name calling. Ok, you disagree with Mr. Novak, a man who has worked in Washington for a long time and who has lived through our HISTORY and survived to write about it. I don't care how old you are, age doesn't matter - calling him 'an old fool' tells me that you're poorly educated - and it doesn't matter how many letters you have after your name, if any. None of you would last a week in Washington. Get out some old history books that tell our story. Read up about the days when people debated ideas and yeah they may not have been perfect days but today's cultured has buried civility and with it, any hope for our future.

Name calling
I am so fed up with all of the name calling. Ok, you disagree with Mr. Novak, a man who has worked in Washington for a long time and who has lived through our HISTORY and survived to write about it. I don't care how old you are, age doesn't matter - calling him 'an old fool' tells me that you're poorly educated - and it doesn't matter how many letters you have after your name, if any. None of you would last a week in Washington. Get out some old history books that tell our story. Read up about the days when people debated ideas and yeah they may not have been perfect days but today's cultured has buried civility and with it, any hope for our future.

Virginia Patriot writes...
I want to vote for a GOP candidate in Nov.'08, I will not vote for any of the amnesty supporters, McCain, Rudy, Huckabee.


Neither will I VP, neither will I.

Virginia Patriot
I agree in principle with everything you said. My problem is that we are at a time when a considerable democrat majority could crush this country, not just the republican party. I am all for an all out conservative wipe out during the primary season, because that is how we win. A democrat president would guarentee two hardcore leftist supreme court appointees, and I do not have to tell you what that means.

By the way, I am not aware that Mike Huckabee is an open borders guy, in fact I was assured the opposite. If there is something I don't know, please inform me.


Farmer's wife
I would tell you what i think about those who favor amnesty for illegal aliens and oppose enforcement of this country's immigration laws, but i think i've been banned twice for doing it. Just let me say, i do not agree with their position.

Savage99....
Same here. I have been calling and faxing my Senators all summer, reinforcing the fact that Americans do not support amnesty of any kind, for any reason... Senate to debate Dream Act Amendment next week.

Hank
I have listened to what he has said. He talks of securing the borders, as they all seem to be doing lately, even the Democrats. But he has said favors "regularization", which is the latest word for amnesty. I oppose changing the laws to suit those breaking them. Securing the border and enforcing the law is the only way we get to keep our rule of law, our representative Republic, and our Constitution. If citizenship becomes meaningless, this will no longer be the United States of America.

Duncan Hunter
This guy is a stud of a candidate. On the two major issues that face our time, he is dead-on right. I would very enthusiastically support his candidacy if he could gain any traction. If he were at the top of the ticket, we could potentially win California, and that would only be the begining of what he could do. He is a true conservative, and if his presidential run comes up empty, especially with his son assuming his role in the house of reprentatives (barring some democrat vote-fraud campaign) he would be a great asset as a United States Senator. God knows we need more like him in that mess. I would love to see him surge, but I have yet to see any proof of it.

HUNTER 2008
It's going to have to be a grass roots effort. The levers of power and the money in the GOP are all in the hands of the cheap labor express. They do not want Hunter as the candidate. We have to make him the nominee by voting in the primaries. We have to talk to our friends and neighbors about him. He is not going to get media coverage, did you know he was at the Gathering of Eagles?

RudY? Fred?
Yup! We just gotta have another CFR member in the Oaffal Office.

I would ask: Where do the Prez. hopefuls stand on something besides illegal immigration?

Where do they stand on trade deficits, over taxation, deficit spending, borrowing money from China to finance the gov., the privately owned "Fed", the IRS (the terrorist enforces for the "Fed"), the treason that happened in 1913 by the Dem controlled Capitol Hill, oil & media monopolies, and the biggest onew of all on my short list--returning to the Constitution s the supreme law of the USA?

I am sick to death of the sheep in the Religious Right. They seem to be led around by the nose by any one who says they are a Christian. Bush said he was a Christian. But after seeing him in "action" we should know better by now.

I was amazed that Jerry Falwell was so easily enticed by John "open borders" McCain.

For more on where I am coming from please read these by a Patriot Pastor, chuck Baldwin.
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20070504.html
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/blackregiment.php
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/blackregiment.php
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/blackregiment.php
To me this is the creme de la creme:
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20070227.html
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20070828.html

The only way to get the US back on track is to elect a Prez. who would turn the US back to the Constitution.
None is more outspoken on that than Ron Paul.

Virginia Patriot
Before I first posted about Huckabee today I did a very quick (re)overview of his positions via his website, precisely for the purpose of determining his illegal immigration policy. The first step in his assessment is to secure the southern border, according to that. If I were convinced that he was either an open borders guy or an amnesty guy I would not support him, unless it was against Hillary. However, as far as I can tell he is neither. I would certainly be open to evidence of the contrary.

HUNTER 2008
I would love to see it.

The bottom line
I, like the rest of ya'll, have been very disappointed with the elected officials we have put in office since, well, '94. I wish they would stop caring about what the media thinks or feels and just concentrate on the job they were sent there to do. But they don't. And we voters punish them for it. The same can not be said about the other side. So we can either excercise our considerable influence and win during the primary season, get some real conservatives in there, or we can let the libs run roughshod over our lives and cede freedom for the next generation. I understand full well the frustration many of you have regarding the last, I don't know, six years of congress (plus a lack of action by Bush). We could have made so many gains and we did not. Now we have to win it back, and there is plenty of reason to believe that we can. I am not talking about republicans, I am talking about conservatives. We are in a cultural battle that will outlast our lives. While we are here, we should try to win as many victories as possible. Lord knows we have the deck stacked against us (which is fine, it gives us motivation). The '08 election is a huge determiner as to how the country will shake out within the next fifteen to thirty years. Actually, it will more be a determiner of how the world will look far after that.

We need to wake up!!!
Why? Go to chuckbaldwinlive.com./speech.html

Read what he has to say. He exposes Rudy & Fred for what they really are. Patriot is not one of the descriptions.

If the USA continues to be led away from the Constitution we are sunk. Bye bye Miss American Pie.

The only candidate that I know of who has consistently called for RE-instating the Constitution as the supreme law of the USA is Ron Paul. He has done this for many years & still does today.

If you want a true Patriot & conservative Ron is your man.

Sorry for repeated links in my post.
Just use the first one & search his site.

There are some good & challenging articles by Brother Chuck.

Yours for the restoration of the USA via original intent Constitutional Government!!

Thank you.

Hank
You're right, '08 is pivotal. I think it may be our last chance to keep our country. Any amnesty is going to set off a stampede. Millions who are not here yet will be soon after that.

for Vic
Vic asks: "Accoring to your philosophy you should vote for Fred if he gets the nomination event though you don't agree with him politically. Will you?"

Yes, I will, definitely.

Not that it's going to matter. I live in a Blue State, which Fred isn't going to carry anyway. My state's electoral votes are going to the Democrat, whoever it is. But at least my conscience will be clear.

HankRearden-again we disagree
To you there's a big difference between Hillary and the Bald Hillary. To me, there's not.

They're both committed to driving the bus of this country over the cliff. Their only disagreement is the speed, and which guardrail to blast through.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, if we're gonna do that, let's put the pedal to the metal and get it over with.

Now you're going to lose in 2008
It's now pretty clear why you guys won't hold on to the White House in 2008, the way you're going.

Because out of 92 posts so far, my two posts seem to be the only ones to use real terms like "Electoral College" and "electoral votes." Nobody else but me seems to have looked at an electoral map of the United States, taken a calculator, and tried to put together a majority in the Electoral College for their favorite Republican candidate.

Instead what I see here is a whole lot of ideological posturing--but no actual numbers, no state-by-state analysis of which states their favorite candidate can win, and no analysis of what it takes to achieve an Electoral College majority.

That's not a way to win in 2008. That's a way to lose honorably in a noble cause.

HANKREARDEN

.....You seem to be one of the few posters on this site that understands the gravity of the situation ...if Hillary wins in '08 with majoritys in both Houses and the power to appoint Supreme Court Justices then it is all over for Conservatives for the next century and America slips into Socialism big time ...

.....The Republican Party will implode and many like BrianR and Virginia Patriot will join splinter Partys that will never be able to challenge the stranglehold the Democrats will have on the Country ...'08 is a watershed election that will determine the future of America ...

.....The Whig Party used to be the Conservative Party in this Country and we know what happened to them ...maybe BrianR and VA can resurrect the Whigs .....COLOSSUS

BRIANR

.....Sorry Bro ...I must have you mixed up with another Brian ...

.....I suspected that you might be a Liberal troll ...meaning that you troll conservative sites as a mole to disrupt and confuse conservatives and therefore to help the Democrats ...I admit that I may be wrong about you ...you might actually believe the tripe that you post ...

.....Another reason that I thought you might a Liberal in sheeps clothing is your propensity to bad mouth people who have opinions that you might not agree with ...I usually don't agree with Novak but I would never call him a senile old fool ...we just disagee ...

.....name calling instead of debating is usually a Liberal tactic ...you called me a loon ...not a very mature response to my tongue-in-cheek post .....COLOSSUS

Rudy Does What's in His Best Interest
Rudy started out as a liberal Democrat. he became a Reoublican not because he had a St. Paul-like conversion, but rather because he was a member of the Reagan Justice Department and it was politically expedient for his to make the switch.

Rudy will lie to us as easily as he lied to ex-wife Donna Hanover. He suddenly for a wall while his firm makes millions because of open borders.

This man is the ultimate fraud.

HUNTER 2008
The so-called "top tier" will not get out the voters necessary for a GOP win. Increasing turnout is the key. Give people something to vote for. Not just the lesser of two evils. Won't work this time. People are fed up with the inundation of illegal aliens. They would come out in droves for the clear choice of D=amnesty or R=enforcement. They will stay home if they both equal amnesty.


http://www.gohunter08.com

baseballdoc
Yes '08 is a critical election, the GOP has to decide if it represents the citizens or the corporations that give them money. We are not going to vote for anyone supporting amnesty. That gets us to the same place as HRC getting elected, just a little slower.

America's Future (Part1)


These next 2 years are vital to the future of this country. For 2007 we must make certain that McCain/Kennedy or whatever it's called this year does not pass the House. It will pass the Senate. The President will sign it, followed by the Totalization Treaty with Mexico, which qualifies former illegals with just 6 qtrs(18 mo) even if worked illegally, the benefits that we had to work 40 qtrs(10 yrs) to qualify for.

In 2008 we must make the candidates address border security and immigration enforcement.
20-30 million citizens of other countries are in our country illegally, 55% from Mexico, most of the rest from other Central and South American countries. Let's not ignore the leftward voting trends of these countries. It is notable that they picked May Day, an old communist day of celebration for their marches.

Most polls show at least half of the American citizens of Hispanic descent want the borders and laws enforced. Republicans will not win by alienating their current voters to get 40% of a new small block that will grow very large, very fast if amnesty is granted. That will grow the Democrats vote larger and faster as the influx increases exponentially as the result of another amnesty. It will spell the end of the Republican Party. The people who used to vote Republican will stop voting or form a new party. Conservatives will lose political influence and we will slide inexorably towards socialism (it has already started).

America's Future (Part2)


Most of what you hear about this issue is political propaganda that tries to convince you to give up your country without a fight, including on Fox News. The big money players are all on board the cheap labor express, they care not that American citizens do not want another amnesty. We know the last one resulted in 10 times the number of illegal aliens and a general disregard of our laws. The next one will be equally successful.

We need Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement, not reform. We need to restore respect for the law and the faith of the American people that their government is not selling them out. Amnesty for the illegal aliens is also amnesty for the corrupt companies who have been employing them. Money trumps everything, including love of country. Multi-nationals have no loyalty to country by definition, they see us as a market, not a nation. They see people as workers, documented or undocumented, no difference. If they can't send the work to where the labor is cheaper, then they want to bring the cheap labor here. Citizenship is meaningless.

If we love our Constitution and our representative Republic and we intend to keep it we must not surrender our sovereignty or abandon the rule of law. Profits must not supercede security. We should not create a new path to citizenship. We have a path to citizenship, more generous than any other country, illegal aliens have ignored it and bad choices do have consequences.

BBalldoc
Bud, you are a loon, as is anybody who uses that crap about liberal trolls. That's nothing but nutball paranoia.

And you know what? I do actually believe the "tripe" I post. Here's another little nugget for you to ponder. It's people like me who believe exactly the same tripe -- and there are a lot of us, particularly among the Second Amendment set -- who determine the outcome of Presidential elections, ESPECIALLY in this day and age where a few hundred votes in a few precints are the deciders of the race.

You ignore us at your peril.

PS, BBalldoc
If I were a lib tactician, I can assure you I wouldn't waste my time sending people to post comments on a conservative website. I can't think of anything that would be a bigger waste of time and energy with little to no return at all.

On top of that, in the current situation, why bother? The GOP's busy committing harakiri, and as Reagan said, when your opponent's busy shooting himself in the foot, don't interfere.


RUDY: DOA
How many times the RINOs will be reminded that Rudy's nomination is death on arrival. The conservative base especially those who are strongly on family values would decide to stay at home in the general elections. I bet they are about 15% of the republican votes. Rudy could only win by attracting all the independents plus some of the democrats. Well, that's not gonna happen.

I am truly amazed how disconnected the conservative pundits and consultants in promoting Rudy.

He is certainly a tough talk guy, but he is as liberal republican as you can get plus his personal baggages.

So, we still need to wait for a strong, consistent on family values, and well articulate candidate who can connet to average voters.

Cons. cannot win the pres.
Reps. do not have high enough voter reg. to elect pres.'s without significant ind. and crossover voters. Remember the Reagan Democrats? Rudy will bring them.

No, well, you can stuff your RINO label up your nose and sneeze on Dem.
1) higher taxes (ending Bush cuts raises them)
2) military humiliation in the Middle East
3) assump0tion of 1/7 of the ec. thru healthcare
4) resurrection of the unFairness Doctrine
5) energy-use fees and taxes (global warming)
6) more pub. ed. waste
7) amnesty and gov't giveaways for illegals
8) homosexual rights and marriage
9) anti-religious courts and decisions
10)with Hill, Bill and his chicks back in the WH

If you want to exp. the above because your perfect abortion candidate isn't leading in the polls, I challenge you to suffer in silence four 4-8 years.

renny
With Rudy we get to the same destination, especially because of Rudy's support of point # 7. Another amnesty will result in Democrat majorities for decades. How stupid do you have to be to import voters for the opposition at the same time you alienate your own voters? If the GOP surrenders our sovereignty and abandons the rule of law, they will find in November 2008, that they still have their big money/cheap labor donors, but they do not have voters. GOP-RIP

On being fat.
Robert writes:

FDT is out of shape, a bad campaigner, knows little about the issues, cant raise any money , and has no chance of becoming President...


Ditto Hillary.

VIRGINIA PATRIOT

.....I agree with you on the amnesty issue ...the Republican candidate should be strong on border security and immigration control ...I also like Duncan Hunter and would like to see him on the ticket ...

.....Hunter's problem right now is National recognition ...Giuliani, Thompson and McCain have it and believe me it means a lot to the voters when they are in the booth ...

.....Hunter needs to do something dramatic and to take a popular but controversial stand to get his name and face in the National spotlight ...

....An issue that hasn't been tapped into is the United Nations ...a recent poll of Conservative Republicans came out 100% against the U.N. ...the prevailing opinion was that the U.N. was an anti-American organization and we should just get out ...without our financial support the U.N. would fade into obscurity ...

.....If Hunter released a statement that as President he would get us out of the U.N. ...I guarantee that he would be headline news for weeks and it would open up a debate that might produce positive results .....COLOSSUS

RENNY

.....I agree with you that the next President will be the one who captures the Indepent/Moderate Middle ...

.....Neither the Far Left nor the Religious Right have enough votes to decide the election .....COLOSSUS

Guliani
How many wife's does it take now to be a Republican President, Mr. Novak? Maybe some "pure" poligamist can join the crowd on the Republican side, sometime later in the future? I guess family in America means less and less as now more American women life without a man than do! Besides marriages wanting no children are now outnumbering the ones who want children, I should say at least they want one. Good old Soviet Union replaced little by little by good old America. Yes, the few children more and more raised in daycare centers! Daycare centers for children was that not an invention by the Soviets, Bob?

baseballdoc
Your UN idea is a good one. The amnesty issue is even better. Hunter has no way to get anywhere trying to out-middle candidates like Rudy, Mitt and McCain. He can re-create the Reagan landslide of conservatives, religious right, and patriotic hard-working blue collars. Rudy and McCain have too much baggage to do it. Mitt and Fred are question marks. Hunter has to go for clarity, optimism, patriotism and common sense. He can't out-BS the BSers who have more money and name recognition.

MoveOn
It blows my mind that MoveOn.org PAC consists of 17 widely dispersed relatively unknown people tied together by leveraging the internet to collect dollars to buy Democrat candidates very soul.

They are led by one man named "Pariser" a pied piper of demagoguery and also financially beholden to George Soros that virtually rules the Democrat Party because they controls the purse strings.

One guy that America does not know is leading the Democrats around by the nose.

This is sickening display of a Democrat party of no backbone and a travesty of American Politics

I am a right-wing person
and totally unconnected to any pol. minister or pastor.

I believe in less gov't, free trade, low taxes, strong military and defense, take care of yourself, and I'll take care of myself and leave you alone.

None of these principles are particularly religious and the poor lefties who whine and wail over the oppression religious belief imposes upon them are prob. unacquainted with religious thought of any kind.

The leftist impulse to control life through "targeted taxation" and "health" issues like smoking and drinking, and now, eating trans fats, are much more suppressive and controlling than any individual's desire to say grace before meals or pray when moved to communicate with God.

The leftist desire to overrule private property and the Fifth Amendment through "takings" for habitat for special animals and plants or seizures for gov't's desire for improved properties that will increase taxation is much more controlling than any religions' desire to celebrate its beliefs on certain holidays.

My religion doesn't inform my cons., because my church has virtually become an arm of the Dem. Party. I was a Dem. until I began teaching school 35 years ago, and even in the 70s, anyone could already see the de-emphasis on academics and the growing influcence of learning pysch and social issues would lead US pub. schools into the morass they are today.

Fear of the pure unknown is, I believe, Robert, a phobia.

Renny
well said.

Montrose's Toast
"He either fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to the touch, to win, or lose it all."

Either we get the nation we want, or we get the nation we deserve. Never forget that the idiots who vote for the other side are Americans with a voice too. And if the majority of Americans vote for national suicide, then national suicide is what we should get. Voting for moderates only prolongs the inevitable. The only real cure is to cure the left of their idiocy at least to the point where they can no longer make enemies of the nation like Hillary viable candidates.

After seeing what Bush turned out to be, why has no one even thought that Hillary might just be a stalking horse for Guiliani? We run in fear from Hillary only to plunge into the swamp that is Guiliani. Those who wish to push the liberal agenda, to destroy the sovereignty of the U.S., to further corrupt the American populace have their boy in the White House and laugh from behind the curtains.

Strangely enough, the above toast also makes me think of a quote from Star Trek: First Contact...

"I will not sacrifice the Enterprise. We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And *I* will make them pay for what they've done. " Jean Luc Picard making the only worthwhile speech of his entire career.

In the name of tolerance we've fallen back. In the pursuit of being reasonable, entire aspects of our culture have been destroyed. In order to be liked, we've embraced absurdity. No more! The Line must be drawn HERE. Perhaps the nation is destroyed, but let it die a clean death.

Robert
Forget the equivocation

The fact is the spineless Democrats are letting "Pariser" control the Congressional agenda.

I wrote what?
"terroritphobia" and "islanophobia" are my words. I said as a cons., I follow no spec. minister or pastor and don't see why you are so in a twist about religion all the time.

You are just incapable of actually understanding what any one else writes at all time at all.
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