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Monday, August 13, 2007
Robert Novak :: Townhall.com Columnist
House of Corruption?
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WASHINGTON -- With the midnight hour approaching Saturday Aug. 4 near the end of a marathon session, Democratic and Republican leaders alike wanted to pass the Defense appropriations bill quickly and start their summer recess. But Republican Rep. Jeff Flake's stubborn adherence to principle forced an hour-long delay that revealed unpleasant realities about Congress.

Flake insisted on debating the most egregious of the bill's 1,300 earmarks placed in the Defense money bill by individual House members that authorize spending in their districts. Defending every such earmark was the chairman of the Defense Appropriations subcommittee: Democratic Rep. John Murtha, unsmiling and unresponsive to questions posed on the House floor by Flake.

Murtha is called "King Corruption" by Republican reformers, but what happened after midnight Aug. 5 is not a party matter. Democrats and Republicans, as always, locked arms supporting every earmark. It makes no difference that at least seven House members are under investigation by the Justice Department. A bipartisan majority insists on sending taxpayers money to companies in their districts without competitive bidding or public review.

Claims of newly established transparency were undermined by the Saturday late night follies. Flake, who ran a Phoenix, Ariz., think tank (the Goldwater Institute) before coming to Congress in 2001, is immensely unpopular on both sides of the aisle for forcing votes on his colleagues' pork. He burnished that reputation by prolonging the marathon Saturday session and challenging selected earmarks.

What ensued showed what a sham are claimed earmark reforms. With debate on each earmark limited to five minutes per pro-and-con and roll calls also pressed into five minutes, the House was mainly interested in finishing up and defeating Flake with huge bipartisan majorities. The mood of annoyance with Flake was personified by the 17-term Murtha, who as subcommittee chairman defended and retained every earmark (including notorious infusions of cash to his Johnstown, Pa., district).

Republican Rep. John Campbell, an Orange County, Calif., auto dealer and five-year California state legislator who is serving his first full year in Congress, is a rare ally of Flake. Campbell began the Saturday debate by challenging a $2 million no-bid award to the Sherwin-Williams paint company for a "paint shield" against "microbial threats." The Pentagon did not want this, but Murtha delivered his usual contemptuous retort: "We don't apologize for [earmarks] because we think the [House] members know as much about what goes on their district as the bureaucrats and the Defense Department."

Flake then forced votes on pet Murtha projects -- starting with "something called the Concurrent Technologies Corp." in Johnstown. In the brief time at his disposal, Flake tried to explain to an inattentive House how the company survives as an "incubator" for earmarks "just by getting more earmarks." He next challenged a $39 million earmark for the National Drug Intelligence Center in Johnstown, which the Pentagon does not need or want. Murtha was coldly dismissive, denying the reality that these no-bid awards do not allow taxpayers to recapture any benefit that the corporations derive from federal expenditures.

Other Democrats were silent during the sham debate. Nearly every one voted with Murtha, Speaker Nancy Pelosi's powerful lieutenant -- fearful of reprisal against their own spending schemes. Rep. Jim Cooper, a moderate from Tennessee, was the only Democrat consistently voting against the earmarks.

Republicans split so that motions by Flake and Campbell lost overwhelmingly. House Minority Leader John Boehner voted against most earmarks, but did not make it a party issue as the rest of the GOP leadership backed Murtha. Two former Republican chairmen of the Appropriations Committee -- Jerry Lewis of California and Bill Young of Florida -- eagerly joined the debate on Murtha's side. Lewis, one of the House members under Justice Department investigation, defended one of his own earmarks and treated Flake with sneering contempt for wasting the House's time.

Flake lacked the time he needed on the House floor to explain complicated interlocking relationships with contributors who benefit from Murtha's earmarks. Claims of transparency are meaningless when all earmarks survive amid inattention from the news media. But few Republican congressmen are frustrated by GOP complicity as the House of Representatives fast becomes the House of Corruption. Joined by a few like-minded senators, they contemplate publicly repudiating their party leaders.

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Hal Donahue writes: healthcare
The reason we are beating up on Murtha and not discussing health care is because health care isn't the subject of this article, corruption and Murtha are the subjects, but I repeat myself. I've watched what you do in these discussions and it never fails that you try to inject subjects into the thread that have nothing to do with what is being discussed. For being a hack for the left you aren't very good at it.

Tenore2 & TNhillbilly
Term limits would be a great way to start. I think a 12 year limit (that would cover both houses) and then allow them to swap to the other house so they can only have a total of 12 in each house. The other thing that would help is have a fund that pays for each candidate's campaign. If they elected not to use the fund they are limited to 1 term. That would take the profit motive right out of the game.
Oh, and if they were caught doing something bad treat them like a drug dealer and seize their assets and throw them in jail.

TNhillbilly
I'm not sure what approach would best shed light on the corruption inherent with unchecked "check books", but something is needed desparately. One goal set by Gingrich back in 1994, the term limits issue may be the best place to start.

While term limits can be dangerous,good public servants may be locked out to our detriment. It seems to me that a variation may be to allow, say 8 years for a representative, but cannot run again for at least 2-4 years after their 8 years. That way, an effective legislator could return. That's just one thought that has occured to me.

I honestly don't have an answer that could survive, but something should be done; that's certain.

You idea about flooding the phones, etc. could work, if WE KNEW WHO WAS GETTING THE EARMARKS AND WHAT JUSTIFICATION THERE IS FOR THEM. Jeff Flake's approach is in the right direction, but by the time these things become public knowledge it seems to be too late to stop them.

Well, I hope that you or someone else will come up with an effective means to stop this abomination.

And as far as Murtha, Pelosi, Reid, etal. are concerned; weren't they the ones who were going to make this the most honest congress in the history of The United States?????? My, oh my, what garbage!

Nightowl 872 writes: Earmarks
Earmarks should be taken out of congress's hands and handed over to the governors of each State. If they feel the State needs federal monies for anything then they can approach congress themselves. That would put the responsibility much closer to the people and make it much more transparent.
I posted this idea and a couple of others in the Stossel article on Wisconsin Healthcare if you all care to take a look.

Hal...Flyboy
You bet your butt I served flyboy and just the type of MOS murtha likes to accuse of murder 0311, 0331. You know, grunt, and damn proud of it! We see war at ground level, look it in the eye in all it's ugliness,the stuff you can't see from 15,000ft. You said "Perhaps when Bush apologises for abandoning them?" I didn't see or hear Bush accuse them publicly of "cracking under pressure" or committing murder in "cold blood". That before ANY formal investigation!

"WOW cowboy you hit almost every point. Murtha's point was and is the guys are streched too far. Did he do it in nice pretty words? Nope but then Marine 0-6's usually do not."

First of all the title is not "cowboy" it's Marine. "Cowboy" is ususlly reserved for Fly- Fly boys or WSO [1555c] AND Democrats at thier favorite bath houses. Second..Points? These are not points sir, they are comments/charges made in public by a sitting Congressman about Marines in combat during a shooting war. PRIOR TO ANY OFFICAL INVESTIGATION! ALL these comments are easily accessable, you should listen to them again and tell me if you think thats the way to make a "point". This puke chose to make a POLITICAL POINT based on cursory, preliminary "reports"
also known as grabasstic scuttlebutt. He ran with it and now he is exposed for the liar that he is. Points? no sir, those are what the DNC sends you everyday. Your duty is to read them then come to sites like this and puke the party line. What a guy! Marine 06? Send Murtha to a Marine slop chute and see how many drinks he gets..thrown at him! He's no squared away Marine, he's an ex-Marine...like Lee Harvey Oswald....CMS OUT!

Hal
Nice creds but huffington post.com you couldnt do better? If you had all them flight hours what kept you from pinning on the full bird or star? I notice that you worked for some energy companies, bet you lined your pockets like the rest. Because you are a Vet like me doesnt change the way I see you and your ilk. Must be fun to sit around on the internet all the time.

Rep. Murtha
Is there a clearer example of why we need term limits?

Hal never wins, poor soul ---
Hal, you were born a looser, you're a looser now and you will always be a looser. Even in death you will be a looser because hell awaits.

Tenore2 - Good points all
I think that the answer to your question lies in the fact that both the House and the Senate MAKE THEIR OWN RULES, from ethics to procedures while processing a bill.

The first thing we need, then, is a link to each one's Rules displayed prominently on their respective web sites.

Then we need to pull another Scamnesty hat trick with phone calls, faxes, and emails to get them to change their rules. We squashed the Scamnesty bill, we can do this too. They might start listening to us if they can't use their phone system for a week or two. Not to mention fax machines running out of paper and email servers being flooded.

Rickey Braddam

Let's focus
The issue that is important is the corruption; not what "HAL whoever" says. I won't respond to any of his idiotic statements.

But I am deeply concerned about the problem of earmarks. If one of you is a constitutional scholar, maybe you can tell me what is said about earmarks that are awarded without peer review. The unwillingness of congress to openly debate these boondoggles is appalling.

I'm afraid that too many of us, including me, are not willing to take the time (or may not have the time) to shed public light on this practice. I don't care how they can be justified just because someone like that joker, Hal, can think up an excuse. (Actually, I think he is a customer in an asylum; that's how he finds the time to blather on.) Hal: don't bother attacking me; I don't need or want your advice.

Hal Donohue
Just because you sneak back in the dead of night and declare victory doesn't mean you won. Coward.

I guess we know who won this round
LMAO

Sigh
It has been over an hour. Please you folks have a good night and know: we are protecting you

ChosinMarineSon
"I notice Hal "had to run" [funny how libs do that when the fight gets hot] At least he is honest about running![redeploy to Okinawa?] But that shouldn't suprise us when it comes to a murtha suck up. Primus, you called him out on his service and he ran. Is he not what he says he is?"

Hey, I am one so you can trash me? Here I am baby: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hal-donahue What you see is what you get. Am I perfect? Hell no but I am what I say


"Marines and thier families are waiting for a PUBLIC APOLOGY from the unindicited co-conspirator for his trashing of the Haditha Marines."

Perhaps when Bush apologises for abandoning them?

"Hal you are a first class punk, typical of a REMF [Rear Echelon Murtha#$@!&r] staff officer type. What was your MOS in the Air Force you POGUE? [Hal you can ask a Marine what that means, if you know any!]"

Primary was 1555C over 1,000 hours

"Your boy had no problem telling TOTAL LIES about grunts [the tip of the spear] and has not been called to account. He accused Marines of "cold blooded murder" of "cracking under pressure" PRIOR to ANY investigation or even charges were brought under UCMJ. This doesn't bother you, an Air Force officer? The fact that all the "eyewitness" accounts were from locals who were friendly to the terrorist scum does not give you reason for pause? How dare you come here and flack for this LIAR!"

WOW cowboy you hit almost every point. Murtha's point was and is the guys are streched too far. Did he do it in nice pretty words? Nope but then Marine 0-6's usually do not.

"Typical Huffing Ho hack. Just a question to PA Dems, Are you proud of this clown? I know YOU didn't vote for him someone else did...right!"

Sigh I wish I could have but I am not in his district. Tell me did you serve?

boy scouts
I was involved in scouting back in the 70's as a scoutmaster. There were several boys in the troop working on their eagle rank. They always thought it was funny that I only made star but I discovered girls and scouting took a back seatr. The scouts at that time recieved some funding from the united way. One day they announced they would no longer fund the scouts. The consequence of their decision was a big drop off in donations, as many business men had been scouts in their youth and decided to cut back on donations if the scouts were going to left out. The united way quickly restored funding.

Rep Flake
I sent the e-mail thanking him for his objections to the earmarks..

Cave Bear
"I don't know about the Mormons, but yeah, the Catholic Church, among others here in Texas, did and do let some of the Scout troops use their facilities (playgrounds, gyms, meeting rooms) when needed. So what? But aside from that, the BSA is not "affiliated" with ANY church or religious group. As for us (Troop 9), we had what amounted to a vacant lot with a little shack on it over on Harvard Street in the Heights that we used for our troop meetings and whatnot, with nary a priest or preacher to be seen."

We were "housed" in a Catholic Church but religion was never pushed and any priest sighting was fleeting at best. That said it was a mixed blessing. One of my personal heroes was a priest who was an infantryman in WWII and a Chaplin at the reservoir in Korea and he would have been good there

"And if you HAD been a Scout, you'd know damned good and well that this is so. Furthermore, you'd also know that the Boy Scouts have NEVER received one thin dime of "your tax dollars"."

Oh I have and must be in a file some where, and we NEVER saw any dollars that I knew of. But yes dollars are spent in numerous ways i.e. the VA national event etc. I think the program was great and wonderful somehow it lost its way. Do I want it back yes. Likely I think it is not likely but it is sad

Cave Bear
"WHAT? Boy, you need to wean yourself from the Kool-Aid there. Who said ANYTHING about religion? What got the leftoid's knickers in such a knot was the BSA's not allowing gay scoutmasters, and I already explained to you why they did that."

Hey I am not bringing up religion. Someone said it was a christian organization and I asked you if that was right. I mean back in my day the Jewish Community Center housed the District office.

"I never came close to Eagle, but I was in the Scouts, too (Troop 9, Houston, Texas, the oldest Scout troop west of the Mississippi). And nobody ever got "turned away" for any reason. And this was back in the "reactionary" mid 1960s."

My point exactly; now they seem to turn away..




Primus54 / Hal
I notice Hal "had to run" [funny how libs do that when the fight gets hot] At least he is honest about running![redeploy to Okinawa?] But that shouldn't suprise us when it comes to a murtha suck up. Primus, you called him out on his service and he ran. Is he not what he says he is? Marines and thier families are waiting for a PUBLIC APOLOGY from the unindicited co-conspirator for his trashing of the Haditha Marines. Hal you are a first class punk, typical of a REMF [Rear Echelon Murtha#$@!&r] staff officer type. What was your MOS in the Air Force you POGUE? [Hal you can ask a Marine what that means, if you know any!] Your boy had no problem telling TOTAL LIES about grunts [the tip of the spear] and has not been called to account. He accused Marines of "cold blooded murder" of "cracking under pressure" PRIOR to ANY investigation or even charges were brought under UCMJ. This doesn't bother you, an Air Force officer? The fact that all the "eyewitness" accounts were from locals who were friendly to the terrorist scum does not give you reason for pause? How dare you come here and flack for this LIAR! Typical Huffing Ho hack. Just a question to PA Dems, Are you proud of this clown? I know YOU didn't vote for him someone else did...right!

Earmarks
Need to be outlawed! How is that accomplished when every congressman, except a few, steals money from the taxpayer this way??

If we could just vote on EVERY member of congress one year perhaps it could be stopped; but probably not.

Lolo: You may have a point....

He claims that he writes now and again for Huff n' Puff..

You never know! :-) You could be right!








MyOpine: No way! You're not blaming that

on ME! :-)

HalD was signing off while I was posting about his boxers being in a bunch. LOL

Although, I wish I had that "power" to run him off. Believe me, I'd be scanning every thread to see which ones he was on, and chase him off.. post haste! :-)




Asking for tax money?
The Boy Scouts asking for tax money?

That's a laugh.

Liberals spend $11 trillion that they have confiscated from taxpayers on 'the poor' and then complain when the Boy Scouts want to use a public building like a school or a community center or a town hall for a troop meeting once a week. Like that actually 'costs' the gov't anything. Like the members and families of the local Boy Scout troop aren't taxpaying members of the community. Like the schools and town halls don't belong to the Boy Scouts as much as they do to Hal and his liberal Fellow Travelers.

My Opine and Anne
Hal always runs when he is getting his clock cleaned. He also runs right around 5:00pm which tells me he is paid.

Anne
Since you are the one who chased Hal away and ruined the entertainment you now have to e-mail Flake and tell him we like what he did in the House;

jeff.flake@mail.house.gov

Wow! You guys really got HalD's boxers

in a bunch! LOL

His little keyboard must have been smokin'!

Obviously HalD will stick up for any liberal...dosn't matter if he/she is a reprobate or not! Now, THAT'S loyalty! :-)


No, that's blind loyalty!



Hal IS an idiot
Hal opines yet again:

"Not true. Everyone was allowed in and no big deal was ever made about religion except it would be good to have. Biggest point no one was ever turned away even the scouts that weren't quite "right" if you will. The biggest things I learned about scouting was working together with everyone and I could do almost everything. Now that they no longer allow diversity they are depriving the scouts and not helping the country."

WHAT? Boy, you need to wean yourself from the Kool-Aid there. Who said ANYTHING about religion? What got the leftoid's knickers in such a knot was the BSA's not allowing gay scoutmasters, and I already explained to you why they did that.

I never came close to Eagle, but I was in the Scouts, too (Troop 9, Houston, Texas, the oldest Scout troop west of the Mississippi). And nobody ever got "turned away" for any reason. And this was back in the "reactionary" mid 1960s.

I don't know about the Mormons, but yeah, the Catholic Church, among others here in Texas, did and do let some of the Scout troops use their facilities (playgrounds, gyms, meeting rooms) when needed. So what? But aside from that, the BSA is not "affiliated" with ANY church or religious group. As for us (Troop 9), we had what amounted to a vacant lot with a little shack on it over on Harvard Street in the Heights that we used for our troop meetings and whatnot, with nary a priest or preacher to be seen.

And if you HAD been a Scout, you'd know damned good and well that this is so. Furthermore, you'd also know that the Boy Scouts have NEVER received one thin dime of "your tax dollars".

Folks
Sadly Adios and be well time to run

Hal Donohue
That's precisely the problem. If anyone should hide it is you.

Cave Bear
"BTW, any time you want to actually address the point(s) I made, rather than throwing out non sequiturs like this, feel free...:)"

Not true very valid and unanswered. I think if you check the red states for the most part are receiving welfare payments of some sort from the blue states. Federal money has been going to red states and being paid by blue states

wiseone/Cave Bear
"It means when you are at Scout camp, for example, you WILL go to church on Sunday. No exceptions, no excuses."

If that is true then I rest my case. They threw my Jewish friends out too?


"If you don't wish to abide by these teachings, if you want to practice a gay lifestyle, you cannot be a Boy Scout. Period."

Only liberals would presume to tell an organization they don't quallify for who they must accept as a member. It's no different than the feminists who are trying to force Augusta National to accept women members when there are men who've been on the waiting list for 20 years and still can't get in.

WORKS FOR ME do not ask for goivernemnt money or support

Cave Bear is he correct?


Oh Gawd...
Hal opines:

"LMAO WHAT!!! WOW please go tell them that."

I believe I just did.

"Again isn't PA a net losers in tax dollars? Don't they pay the government more than they get?"

Are they? You tell me. It would not surprise me if the "net tax dollars" paid out by the inhabitants of that state are indeed very high. But it's not just federal taxes. It's state and local as well. I have no doubt that PA is like every other blue state I've been to (CA, MA, NY, NJ, just to name a few) where the Commiecrats hold sway with an iron grip. The people who live there pay through the nose in taxes, which makes the overall cost of living much higher, and just to keep their collective noses above water, salaries are higher, too. Not that they get to keep much of it, because most of their income goes to pay all those taxes, and the concomitant higher cost of living as well.

All thanks to those who "care"...

BTW, any time you want to actually address the point(s) I made, rather than throwing out non sequiturs like this, feel free...:)

The Boy Scouts
A Scout is

Trustworthy
Loyal
Helpful
Friendly
Courteous
Kind
Obedient
Cheerful
Thrifty
Brave
Clean
Reverent

Definitely unpatriotic, eh Hal?

The "Reverent" part must really stick in Hal's craw, since the Boy Scouts are also a Christian organization. That means that Scouts must remain faithful to the teachings of Jesus Christ and the writings in the Bible. It means when you are at Scout camp, for example, you WILL go to church on Sunday. No exceptions, no excuses.

If you don't wish to abide by these teachings, if you want to practice a gay lifestyle, you cannot be a Boy Scout. Period.

Only liberals would presume to tell an organization they don't quallify for who they must accept as a member. It's no different than the feminists who are trying to force Augusta National to accept women members when there are men who've been on the waiting list for 20 years and still can't get in.

BTW - Any Scout troop worth its salt also does not accept kids who don't keep their grades up, who curse, who swear, who wear dirty clothes or T-shirts with foul language on them, or who are not 'clean' in their personal hygiene and/or grooming.

This must be what Hal means by 'unpatriotic'.

lolo
"I doubt hal was ever an eagle scout. Ever notice he lays claim to a whole lot of things?"

I have been blessed with an interesting life. Troop 95, Scranton, PA sometime in the very early 60s. I have nothing to hide not even my name

Lolo
"I doubt hal was ever an eagle scout. Ever notice he lays claim to a whole lot of things?"

I have been blessed with an interesting life. Troop 95, Scranton, PA sometime in the very early 60s. I have nothing to hide not even my name

Hal, Hal, Hal.....
It isn't enough that you fraudulently claim to be a military veteran (whose never had a personal weapon except when living rurally)... now you are going to claim to being a Boy Scout? And, of course, not just ANY scout, but an Eagle Scout?

You need help, Hal. Really.

Cave Bear
"And the Boy Scouts are not the Catholic Church. They don't have just a whole lot of money laying around to settle said lawsuits.

Hate to burst your bubble there, Ace, but it's not about "prejudice", it was about self-preservation as an organization. Deal with it."

Aren't the majority of the troops affilated with Morman or Catholic groups? I do not have to deal with it and neither did my children. But do not expect me to support them with my hard earned tax dollar if I can get out of it. That is fair isn't it?

Cave Bear
EXACTLY!!!!!! It is about self preservation. they were doing what every business in America has done at one time or another. Cut their losses. I doubt hal was ever an eagle scout. Ever notice he lays claim to a whole lot of things?

Cave Bear
"You claim to have been an Eagle Scout. If that is in fact true, then you know damned good and well that the Boy Scouts of America have not "gone extreme" anything. They have always had a narrowly defined set of "roles and missions", and they have stuck to them over the years."

Not true. Everyone was allowed in and no big deal was ever made about religion except it would be good to have. Biggest point no one was ever turned away even the scouts that weren't quite "right" if you will. The biggest things I learned about scouting was working together with everyone and I could do almost everything. Now that they no longer allow diversity they are depriving the scouts and not helping the country.

Hal
Here ya go Hal
I would not want you to support our enemies for FREE!
You are earning the money, might as well collect.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200705/POL20070516a.html

Bman
"...it seemed that just throwing out a number like $250 million without the competative bidding process just seemed like a large number."

And you are exactly right. This number is designed to set the tone that an enormous amount of money must be spent.

Any number that comes this quickly after the collapse can only be even halfway competent if there was already a plan considered to replace the bridge. And even if this number is halfway competent, see the definition of "Engineer's Estimate" in my 1:49 PM post.

Boy Scouts Redux
As i was saying...

This "gay scoutmaster" thing is an excellent case in point, although probably not for the reasons you think. The sad simple fact is that the smartest thing the BSA ever did was to say "no" to this idiotic idea.

Granted, if they had allowed it, yes, most of the gays would have most likely kept their hands to themselves. But all it would have taken is for ONE of them to have let his hormones get out of control with one of his adolescent charges, the kid's parents find out, there would be a huge lawsuit and the BSA would have been largely destroyed as an organization (which is probably what your kind wanted in the first place; after all, the Boy Scouts are so "extreme right", don'cha know?).

And don't think for a minute that it could not happen. I have a lot of gay and lesbian friends, some of whom I've known since we were kids, and I can tell you the whole "adult gay/lesbian with a teen" thing DOES happen, and a lot more often than a lot of people want to admit.

And the Boy Scouts are not the Catholic Church. They don't have just a whole lot of money laying around to settle said lawsuits.

Hate to burst your bubble there, Ace, but it's not about "prejudice", it was about self-preservation as an organization. Deal with it.

Boy Scouts
At the risk of a thread hijack...

Hal, are you THAT big of an idiot?

You state:

"As an eagle scout I think the scouts have gone extreme right and I do not think they offer a healthy patriotic lifestyle any longer."

Huh?

You claim to have been an Eagle Scout. If that is in fact true, then you know damned good and well that the Boy Scouts of America have not "gone extreme" anything. They have always had a narrowly defined set of "roles and missions", and they have stuck to them over the years.

Which one can only assume annoys KozKid KoolAid Drinkers such as yourself, because the BSA has refused to kowtow to every off-the-wall "social engineering" experiment the fantasy-based community has cooked up over the years.

Continued...

chuck
"Combat soldiers learn to adapt and change to their situations and move on they dont sit around whining."

and their lifes should not be sold cheaply or when not needed. What do you think is being done now?

"Have you ever been in the MILITARY? If so it is hard to believe with some of your comments."

Yes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hal-donahue

Lolo
doesn't a hack get paid?

HAL
If your family members joined the service to be on an picknic they shouldnt have joined. The military isnt set up for whinners if they want to whine have them get on the internet everyday like you do. So I take it your family isnt from SMURTHAS territory or they would have plenty of pork to buy more equipment. They ought to be complaining to your SENATORS. Combat soldiers learn to adapt and change to their situations and move on they dont sit around whining. Have you ever been in the MILITARY? If so it is hard to believe with some of your comments.

The Hack
So Hal admits that he's a hack. What is hilarious is that he thinks along with others that he is actually going to change minds. Reality is it backfires and makes us more conservative, not less.

bleakdaze
"Judging by the time stamps, you've been posting responses for about 8 hours now. Is posting on Townhall your full time job, or what?"

Nope but I consider it my duty when I am in my office.

"And what's up with using the same tired expressions in virtually every post (lemmings, "follow the shiny object")?"

That is called reinforcement

bleakdaze
Don't you be mean to Hal now.
He is afflicted with a strange Liberal malady.
To help them we need to know more about them.
We need to know if they also read books they don't like?
We need to know if they listen to radio shows they don't like?
We need to know if they watch TV programs because they don't like them?
Do they suffer through movies they don't like?
We need to ask if any other members of their families are afflicted with this same mental disease?

This illness must be related to the disease that causes Liberalism because I have never seen a Conservative behave in such a strange manner.
If we can find a cure it may cure Liberalism too!

Cave Bear
"Sure, they love him in Johnstown. But then that's Commiecrat Country up there in PA, feeders at the public teat all."

LMAO WHAT!!! WOW please go tell them that. Again isn't PA a net losers in tax dollars? Don't they pay the government more than they get?

MyOpine
"Just what in particular do you mean by your attack on the Boy Scouts? You don't think they offer a healthy lifestyle anymore? You mean because they won't submit to NAMBLA being Scout Masters?"

I will ignore your nambla comment. I think the BSA has now grown into a rightwing, anti American, extreme religious group. My opinion, like I said I am an Eagle scout.

"NAMBLA is a MAJOR part of the Democrat Party Hal.
That is why Pelosi kowtaos to NAMBLA.
As to you claiming ignorance of NAMBLA, they are a major contributor to the DNC.
I find your innocence of that matter incredible!"

Well I am ignorant honestly and never met one to the best of my knowledge

wildwest
"I was referringb to murtha funding his friends. Legimate infrastructure improvements, roads, bridges, sewers airports etc are one thing. Murtha using tax dollars that enrich campaign donors are something else again. When I was in sc a local congressman got monies to improve a golf course. That is also theft. Funding state and local municipalities is one thing. Funding private enterprise is not the intent of tax dollars. I am opposed to any congressman or senator mis-using tax monies"

Only if it applies to all

Hal
Judging by the time stamps, you've been posting responses for about 8 hours now. Is posting on Townhall your full time job, or what?

And what's up with using the same tired expressions in virtually every post (lemmings, "follow the shiny object")?

Robert Novak Column
Dear Mr. Novak.
Thank you for another great fact-filled column.

Thank you also to Representative Flake for standing up to the corrupt Democrat and Republican overspenders. There is only one way that the legislators go to congress as middle class and a few years later end up rich. Look it up at http://www.opensecrets.org.

The Drive-by Media says the Republicans lost the last election because of Iraq. I think it was because of out of control spending by the Republicans in Congress. The Democrats are now taking their (spending) place and they will also lose.

Murtha
Murtha the Mouth is a classic D-rat, cast in the mold of Robert "Kleagle" Byrd of WV. Did any of you see that video clip Mary Katherine Ham did on one of Murth'a million dollar earmarks? She never found the place she was looking for, but I noted there were LOTS of other taxpayer-funded fiascos in Johnstown, PA, like the JOHN P. MURTHA PROPHYLACTIC RECAPPING CENTER, or the JOHN P. MURTHA HOME FOR INDIGNANT CATS, and other such vital uses of public funds (both Murtha and Byrd seem to have a thing for seeing their names writ large and publicly on all their pork).

Sure, they love him in Johnstown. But then that's Commiecrat Country up there in PA, feeders at the public teat all.

Funny how inevitably some idiot will bring up Tom Delay. I live just up the road from his former district, and I have yet to drive through Sugar Land and seen anything with Delay's name on it. Indeed, despite all the grand jury hunting and LSM hyperbole, the only thing I've seen that Delay EVER did "wrong" was to annoy the Commiecrats. Poor pussitos...

Hal
Just what in particular do you mean by your attack on the Boy Scouts?
You don't think they offer a healthy lifestyle anymore?
You mean because they won't submit to NAMBLA being Scout Masters?

NAMBLA is a MAJOR part of the Democrat Party Hal.
That is why Pelosi kowtaos to NAMBLA.
As to you claiming ignorance of NAMBLA, they are a major contributor to the DNC.
I find your innocence of that matter incredible!

hal
I was referringb to murtha funding his friends. Legimate infrastructure improvements, roads, bridges, sewers airports etc are one thing. Murtha using tax dollars that enrich campaign donors are something else again. When I was in sc a local congressman got monies to improve a golf course. That is also theft. Funding state and local municipalities is one thing. Funding private enterprise is not the intent of tax dollars. I am opposed to any congressman or senator mis-using tax monies

So you like what Flake did?
I bet he would like to know that.
jeff.flake@mail.house.gov

MyOpine
"I kinda owe ya one for that "littleman" crap yesterday and since you raise the topic of gays;"

Thought you mised that LOL

"This thing you Democrats have for persecuting Boy Scouts and trying to get members of NAMBLA accepted as Scout Masters in charge of children is pretty much standard for you Democrats."

See now that is not at all what the article says you are twisting again. As an eagle scout I think the scouts have gone extreme right and I do not think they offer a healthy patriotic lifestyle any longer.


"Are you a member of NAMBLA Hal?"

Nope I just found out who they were within the last few years from an R of course

"Do you molest children?
It is a Democrat thing you know!"

Nope but I understood it to be a conservative especially fundie tendancy

All Bad, But There is a Difference
When the Republicans were in charge, a liberal friend of mine went on and on, like the MSM, about the "Culture of Corruption." I told him he was deluding himself, that democrats had always been the kings of pork. Even with Republicans in charge, I surmised that the Dems were probably still responsible for 40-45% of the earmarks. Just look at the junkets. While the dems whined while in the minority, more money was actually spent on Dem junkets.

What's the point now? Republicans are just like the dems when they were in the minority. Disappointing but not surprising. The difference is the silence from the MSM is deafening. While they happily carried the water for the Dems and their "Culture of Corruption" campaign, the MSM is not so strangely silent now. Sadly, just another of the million examples of the bias of the MSM. Sickening.

Too bad the Republicans don't have the stones to hypocritically trumpet this issue of earmarks while being in total favor of them, just like the dems the last few years.

wildwest
"If Pa wants to improve their infrastructure they can use their tax dollars not those paid by citizens from other states."

I think PA is a net loser in the federal government dollar race. I think we send more money to washington than receive

chuck
Thank you for the lecture LOL

chuck
"I dont never recall Murtha standing behind BUSH or Rove except to stick it too them."

Bush himself is on record as saying Murtha is the go to guy on the hill for military matters.

"Murtha has never been to IRAQ and I was in several combat rolls and this war will make men out of them boys that your so called HERO(MURTHA)likes to always state are always stretched too far."

Oh really???? Hmmm those broken boys and girls I see with the missing parts are now men and they were not before?? Gosh I never did think of that before. Did the girls have to change gender surgically?


"I have 7 family members in this battle and none of them have ever stated that they are stretched too far."


Hmmm my family members do think third tours are getting a bit much and they would like some equipment at home,,,,


"If they felt that they were stretched too far then why is the reenlistment rate so HIGH in IRAQ. Wait I know your repsonce already, THEY LIKE THE MONEY, shows how much you know about the men and women that wear our uniforms. You will never convince us of your love for SMURTHA "

I KNOW why they stay. They are professional soldiers who will stay until they die or are too broken to go on.

Can we clone Flake?
I mean honestly, has congress not getten the memo that they are LESS popular than Bush? My gosh, what kind of a wake up call do this nimrods need! We need more flake and less pork.

If we could just enforce the Constitution and Bill of Rights... we could make all of this crap go away... and the threat of a Hitlary Pres would not be as bad since her hands would be tightly tied under the rule of law in our Republic.

Reenie writes:
Monday, August, 13, 2007 6:55 AM
Like as with Massachusetts and Kennedy,how does this and other pieces of corrupt trash like Murtha keep getting re-elected year after year?Is there no integrity anywhere?I can see he must get a lot of cash from the corporations that receive his earmarks,but how can decent people keep voting for him?Grrrrrr!
=============
IMO, Senator Kennedy keeps getting elected because of the great number of people on the take in Boston and other Mass cities. Why else? And by "the take" I include the Democrat political machine (just check Howie Carr's spreadsheet for all the relatives of politicians in high-paying state positions) as well as those residents dependent on welfare and other gimme programs.

Thererfore, it is left up to hardworking citizens in the rest of the state to pay through their noses for the benefits of "the less fortunate" - you know, the ones who find money for drugs or guns, but can't take care of their groceries or health - and the ones who believe just have another baby so you can get more $$$$. Typical Liberal La-La Land.

I guess Murtha's territory is similar.

And these are just two examples! Thank goodness for ethical representatives such as Rep. Flake. Perhaps more will be willing to run in 2008 - it is for sure we need to rid Congress of these individuals who believe the federal government is their private money tree!!

HAL
I dont never recall Murtha standing behind BUSH or Rove except to stick it too them. Murtha has never been to IRAQ and I was in several combat rolls and this war will make men out of them boys that your so called HERO(MURTHA)likes to always state are always stretched too far. I have 7 family members in this battle and none of them have ever stated that they are stretched too far. Hell they are stating now that we are taking the battle to the enemy it is allot better than driving around being hit by a IED. If they felt that they were stretched too far then why is the reenlistment rate so HIGH in IRAQ. Wait I know your repsonce already, THEY LIKE THE MONEY, shows how much you know about the men and women that wear our uniforms. You will never convince us of your love for SMURTHA

What makes so depressing;
MSM will not dwell upon this betrayal of public trust.
Most of the general public is unaware of this matter.

We need a communication system right here at TH.
Someone to get a blog to hold a public notice for everyone to e-mail the link with a request to forward like a chain letter.
We could reach many people that way.

Just something like this would make it harder for MSM to censor news.

wiseone
stevens is also a pork barrel thief and needs to be replacved

Bman
Ted Stevens is a Senator.

Tax law change
A little-advertised change in tax law was enacted because of IRS abuse under the Clintons.

The change puts the burden of proof in a tax-evasion case on the gov't. It used to be on the taxpayer. It used to be that if the IRS audited you and decided you owed $10,000+ in unpaid taxes you had to pay the $10,000+ in order to get a jury trial.

Now the IRS has to give you a jury trial and get a finding in their favor. If your defense is that you are protesting abusive spending of taxpayer funds and have the money in escrow the IRS may find that when they win a 'conviction' all that happens is you end up paying the same tax you would have paid otherwise.

Maybe.

wiseone
How much would it correct if we could get the people together on a Line Item Veto?
We killed the Amnesty Bill.
Could we create a Bill?
Would it make any difference?

Look into it
And see if anyone can find a single law passed in Congress the forces any citizen to pay a tax on his labor.

Does not exist and here's proof.

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56855

And a good read is the following on going Law Suit against the false claims made by the IRS

WTPvUS-DC-COA-PetitionEnBanc-Jun-2007



wiseone
I don't think a tax protest would work.
I think they would start singling out individuals for examples, one by one with great public fanfare and other individuals would begin to fold.

A Strike can protect individuals where a Tax Protest can't.

That is just my opinion. Don't say I can't be wrong.

hal
murtha has been screwing the american people with his thefts of tax dollars. If Pa wants to improve their infrastructure they can use their tax dollars not those paid by citizens from other states. America didn't ask for murtha's actions but we got it anyhow. Jailhouse justice in his case would be well-served. Sending congressional crooks to country club prisons is not puinishment. Time in federal prisons amongst the prison population sends a message that getting caught with you fingers in the cookie jar has consequences. Prisons are notorious for issuing punishments. I guess you think murtha and his ilk are entitled to steal with no consequence.

Earmarks and Scamnesty
Yes this so Ethical Congress that passed a bill they said would mek them more ethical lied outright. The bill actually made it easer to hide earmarks by making it an option to let people know about them. Yes Scamnesty woke us up but its back.

This same Congress closed a vote on a recommit to deny welfare to illegals and it won. But they lied and said it was a tie and reopened voting and changed votes. So now Illegals have Welfare. But look what President Bush did while Congress was out to play. He instituted the work ID act. Now how does he have the power to do that without Congress consent? See there bringing Scamnesty back a little at a time. Read this:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/110807Job.htm this is scary that he has power to do this without our consent. We need to rise up again and stop this like we did before. Remember his NAU-SPP summit is comming up soon so he wants Canada and Mexico to know he's serious about selling out our country.

MyOpine
How about a national boycott on paying income taxes instead?

That would take a lot less effort and would get their attention a lot faster.

If they can't figure out how to deport 10-12 million illegals how are they going to find, gather evidence, and successfully prosecute 20-30 million "law-abiding" citizens and businesses that have put their tax payments into escrow (where it will be earning 5-6% interest) instead of sending it to the IRS?

Hal
I kinda owe ya one for that "littleman" crap yesterday and since you raise the topic of gays;

This thing you Democrats have for persecuting Boy Scouts and trying to get members of NAMBLA accepted as Scout Masters in charge of children is pretty much standard for you Democrats.

Are you a member of NAMBLA Hal?
Do you molest children?
It is a Democrat thing you know!
http://hollycrud.com/2006/10/nancy-girl-wants-old-gays-with-young.html

Minnesota's new bridge
The first thing I can tell you is that no one knows how much it will cost to rebuild the section of I-35 that collapsed. And no one will know until it is done (and even then they will lie about it).

The second thing I can tell you is that they will do a lot more than just rebuild this bridge. They will add a lot of other goodies to it like widened lanes, new off-ramps, etc. They will also include a complete inspection and bolstering of the bridge on the northbound side which is still intact.

Finally, I offer you the following "Construction Definitions".

Contractor - A gambler who never gets to shuffle, cut, or deal.

Bid Opening - A poker game in which the losing hand wins.

Bid - A wild guess carried out to two decimal places.

Low Bidder - A contractor who is wondering what he left out.

Engineer's Estimate - The cost of construction in heaven.

Project Manager - The conductor of an orchestra in which every musician is in a different union.

Critical Path Method - A management technique for losing your shirt under complete control.

OSHA - A protective coating made by half-baking a mixture of fine print, red tape, split hairs, and baloney - usually applied at random with a shotgun.

Strike - An effort to increase egg production by strngling the chicken.

Delayed Payment - A tourniquet applied at the pockets.

Completion Date - The point at which Liquidated Damages begin.

Liquidated Damages - A penalty for failing to achieve the impossible.

Auditors - People who go in after the war is lost and bayonet the wounded.

Lawyers - People who go in after the auditors and strip the bodies.

MyOpine
"It has worked in Europe & Japan."

It takes people commited to an idea and each other. Not likely on the right here

Ewok
There is no need of bullets or bloodshed.
If you can assemble half the people you would need for a revolution you can hold a successful National Strike.

Organize to use vehicles to block freeways & arterial traffic lanes.
If anyone is arrested the strike continues until they are released and compensated for the indignity.

There would be no way to take reprisal because there would be no way to separate strikers blocking traffic from the traffic they blocked.

It has worked in Europe & Japan.

Ewok
It will take far better people than you seem to be...

wildwest
"The idea of murtha being the designated soap retreiver in the shower room would be justiced served"

Wildwest are you gay? I was wondering. You are always making comments like this.. If you are, no problem from me but I was wondering..

It's time.
I only have two things to say...

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. --Declaration of Independence

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
--Thomas Jefferson

my opine
there is always hope he will take the same journey as postal dan rostenkowski(sp). The idea of murtha being the designated soap retreiver in the shower room would be justiced served

bman
until people see the charleston bridge they have not seen such a beautiful structure. But it was built under different cicumstances. Minnesota doesn't have to face hurricanes, charleston does and that was incorporated into it's design and affected it's cost structure

Does pork compare with corruption?
If Abscam Jack Murtha was a Republican would he still be in office right now?
Barney Frank?
Reid?
Feinstein?
The list is too long.

retro ranger
as has been discussed on other threads, pelosi learned at the feet of her daddy a corrupt politico from baltimore. She understands hack politicians and the spoilage system. Combine that with her life as a rich san francisco lib you have nothing more than a dim who rewards supporters but sees any repub as her enemy. As the old motto goes, the enemy of my enemy is my allie. Murtha and pelosi both hate the president. They are natural allies but at america's expense

Bman
I did know all of the list but now I would have to look it up.

Bman
There is alot of factors in determining cost. Type, location, availability of materials, etc. Minnesota's bridge is gonna cost alot more. That estimate is low. That bridge is also of design that has failed twice in the past in W.Virginia. They would be better off to scrap it completely while the opportunity exists and start over. It shouldn't be about money, it should be about lives. The true model that should be used is like the guy in Ca. I forget his name though. Young guy. He low bids but puts a bonus in. He makes his money on the bonus. The bonus is done on a scale. The quicker it is done the more money he gets. He got LA up real quick after the earthquake and also repaired the freeway ramp in Oakland that went down in a blaze of glory recently.

chuck
"Murtha is a nobody when it comes to taking care of the Military, except to RETREAT AND SURRENDER or bad mouth our Men/women in uniform. Hal what about Hadytha now that they found out it was not true. Murtha had them hung and burried before they were even on trial. This is your HEROOOOOO."

And you know what even if you never knew it he was Bush and Rove's guy in Congress for military matters and therefor your hero too. Murtha displays the courage to speak up about Iraq and the troops being streched too far your evil lemming leaders spring into action not to consider Murtha's points but to attack him personally even if those things you attack you liked before. Follow the shiny object.... This has nothing to do about Murtha but everything to do about distracting you from the debacle all around you.

MURTHA NEEDS TO BE IN JAIL!!!!
Murtha is so bad and corrupt that he needs to be in prison. What ever happened to Little Miss Nancy PP and her wonderful ethics approach to Government?

RR

Murtha
It is one thing to take tax dollars and convert it to pork for something that is an actual project. I love my fellow Americans and sometimes I see nothing wrong with pooling your resources so we all have a better life. Especially when it comes to infrastructure.

But can anyone explain to me taking tax dollars for something that is either redundant or doesn't exist? Where was that money gonna go? His bank account? There is a reason Murtha went into office middle class at best and came out rich. Murtha needs to be investigated.

But one side is better
"Murtha is called "King Corruption" by Republican reformers, but what happened after midnight Aug. 5 is not a party matter. Democrats and Republicans, as always, locked arms supporting every earmark. It makes no difference that at least seven House members are under investigation by the Justice Department. A bipartisan majority insists on sending taxpayers money to companies in their districts without competitive bidding or public review."

And, there you have it. Meanwhile there are those who insist there is a difference. That one side is actually worse than the other. Well, go ahead and vote for the lesser of the worst, if you can determine who that may be.

Sometimes the structure is too far gone to rebuild. It needs razing to make room for something better. Can we go back to the original plans and start over?



I have emailed
this article to a number of my friends, both democrat and republican. I have urged them to get involved by calling and email their representatives and senators.

bman
why haven't you realized selective memory and vision. If murtha and his ilk steal tax dollars there is always some benefit to the community and justification for the theft. Murtha and his ilk are really civic minded congressmen who want to improve their community. Only repubs have rich corrupt friends who are lining their pockets at our expense. But until all of congress is prevented from stealing tax payer dollars to enrich speacial interest groups will things change, unfortunately that will raquite a replacement of problably 99% of the members

Hal Donohue
Never thought I would agree with you. Stevens has got to go. Quit quibbling about Delay because he is no longer there. Like having one foot nailed to the floor.

This column
is a perfect example of why people nedd to pay closer attention to who EXACTLY is doing what in office. Do whatever it takes. Make a running list if you have to. This way it is much easier to vote the clowns out when you know who exactly the clowns are.

HAL
If he cared so much about health care why is he giving tax payers money for BIG BUSINESS(Sherwin Wiliams Paint) Every election the DEMS bloviate that all the REPS do is give money to BIG BUSINESS. Looks like to me the DEMS are starting to take up that position now. Oh Im sorry the elections are still far enough away for them to blame what they are doing on the REPS. Murtha is a nobody when it comes to taking care of the Military, except to RETREAT AND SURRENDER or bad mouth our Men/women in uniform. Hal what about Hadytha now that they found out it was not true. Murtha had them hung and burried before they were even on trial. This is your HEROOOOOO.

What a disgrace
it is for some of these people to be serving in the Congress of the United States. The people of Arizona should be proud of Jeff Flake as the people of Colorado should be proud of Tom Tancredo. Regardless of your side of the isle, these two guys aren't afraid to champion a good cause and honor their Constitutional oaths. What a shame it is that we only have a handful of honorable representatives in Congress. Regardless of anyone's ideology, both parties are equally reprehensible in their service to this country.


wildwest
More so than even Stevens or Delay WOW? All you are doing is watching the lemming steering committees shiny object wake up

The more things change
the more they remain the same. Corruption. If you look the word up in Websters, it should read: Corruption(n): Politicians, Gov't Bureaucrats, John Murtha, Ted Kennedy. See also,State and local Gov't., Lousiana, New Jersey.

hal
murtha is not the only thief, but he is the picture boy and voice of corruption running raqmpant in wasshington. There are many of his ilk, he is the most outrageous in his behavior and lack of regret for his actions, as though he were elected to raid the treasury box

pelosi and murtha
pelosi gave crybaby murtha the one thing he never had, a sense of importance. It is nothing more than a failed attempt at good cop/bad cop. Nancy believes she is miss nice. Unfortunetely this witch has no basis with reality and is nothing more than a hack boss politician who understands and employs all the failings of the patronage system. Murtha meanwhile is the bad guy, the hammer her highness can employ in her vain attempt to keep her hands clean. I guess the question that readily comes to mind at to which is the master and which is the stooge. These two exchange roles frequently. But how do you drain the "swamp" when the worst example of a mud rat is guarding the treasure box, our tax dollars. Pelosi makes no attempt to fullfill her campaign promise about house ethics and murtha is no more than a crack addict who cannot steal enough tax dollars to enrich his friends who in turn are filling his bank account. Only a total moron believes than murta steals millions for his friends without personal benefit to himself. The nation will be honorably served when murtha and similar thiefs are taken off in handcuffs and take their perp walk for raiding the treasury, but of coiurse they hide behind house rules that allow such theft. Well nancy when are you going to drain the swamp, or is murtha even too big a thief for you to control

Re: Anne (8:06am)
Actually that can't be done state by state. It was tried a few years ago, but there was a suit brought in federal court and the SCOTUS eventually ruled that the states cannot impose term limits on their representatives. Somewhow the SCOTUS decided that the 10th Amendment doesn't give that right to the states, and the only way to impose term limits is by Constitutional amendment. And as Nam 65 said, good luck with that!

And kudos to Mr. Flake. It is great to see that there is someone in the House that has not succumbed to the corrupting influence of earmarks. Would that we had many more like him serving us!

Hal Donahue - Packrat
I lived in Murtha’s district for 3+ years, I found him to be an Insufferable A**hole! He kisses up to Johnstown and ignores the rest of his in his district. Between ABSCAM & The Haditha Marines, I question the caliber of his character!

For Pelosi to screech like she did about changing things and to let her close friend Murtha get away with this doesn’t say much for her either. However, I doubt these 2 are the first House member to pull such shenanigans. That’s what got Republicans booted out! It seems Washington changes your outlook on public policy, REGARDLESS of which party you belong to.

blustrmom/grndmomx2/SSGTRET
Why, with so much going on, are you folks just fixated on Murtha? I simply do not get it

"I kissed your @$$ to GET elected.
Now, you can kiss mine while I stay in office and bring money and jobs back to this fine state."
Term limits will not happen in my lifetime. You can quote me on that. We MAY be able to institute AGE limits, but not term limits.
As far as truth and transparency in Congress - good luck with that idea. (I really can't believe I wrote *TRUTH* and *CONGRESS* in the SAME SENTENCE!!! Like they go together!!!)

And Dem voters think they're all high...
...and mighty.

It took the Republican congress 10 years to degrade into money-wasting twits.

It took the Democrat congress as much time as it takes to submit its first bill to become the money-wasting twits they demonized the Republicans for being.

The FACT, IRREFUTABLE and UNDENIABLE, of the matter is that no matter how bad one thinks Republicans are, they are SAINTS compared to even the BEST Democrat.

Jeff Flake for Speaker of the House!!

SSGTRET
same:

"Hmmm perhaps right after yours for bungling Iraq and not caring and my absolute favorite after you decide to get serious about saving military healthcare and getting adequate healthcare for the wounded and veterans and their families. Just keep watching the shiny object..."

blustrmom/grndmomx2
Hmmm perhaps right after yours for bungling Iraq and not caring and my absolute favorite after you decide to get serious about saving military healthcare and getting adequate healthcare for the wounded and veterans and their families. Just keep watching the shiny object...

"Now hal, as for FOX and the rest, would you really compare them to the rest of the media plus hollywood?"

They are a major part of the whole mix sadly.

Why Hal
I think I struck a nerve. Amazing. Now, would murtha and his mouth be the same as global warming is all our fault thing? As for your press, you betcha there hal. Seems that when the Haidtha issue came up your press was all over it now weren't they? Where are they now? Not one word.
Now hal, as for FOX and the rest, would you really compare them to the rest of the media plus hollywood? Doubt there hal. Yes, your press.
I do think your response to me is a bit on the rambling side. Have another cup of coffee, there hal.
So, where's the apology??

Im4tjataw
"If the people of Johnstown, PA can't see the corruption being promoted by their representative (or don't care), then this is just another argument for TERM LIMITS."

NOPE! We have term limits they are called elections. What part of a congresman is supposed to represent his constituency don't you understand? Just because you do not like or approve of someone else's congressman is simply of zero import

Packrat
"Regardless of party , I condemn things like the Alaskan "bridge to nowhere" based on what I have heard to date."

Here too. But that bridge was clearly way too much but let's talk a train museum for example. It can help be a catylst to help specific area grow and the cost would be prohibitive for the area. Pork?

Unchallenged Earmarks
If the people of Johnstown, PA can't see the corruption being promoted by their representative (or don't care), then this is just another argument for TERM LIMITS.

Hal

Many of us have varying views depending on the subject.

I find it fun for my local paper to be trilled when the $500000 earmark was passed thru congress on their behalf, although they profess to be progressive in viewpoint.

I agree with you about whether it is waste and wonder depends on whose district the money is going to. Regardless of party , I condemn things like the Alaskan "bridge to nowhere" based on what I have heard to date.

blustrmom/grndmomx2
"I think our military and the rest of the thinking country are still waiting for murtha to apologize to the Haidtha marines he accused of atrocities before knowing the facts. There is viturally no coverage of their exoneration in your press. This clown speaks out of both sides of his very generous big mouth.
Talk about leemings."

Oh stop it please. My press? My press would have screamed against going into Iraq and would have highlighted the failure to follow up on our military victory there. Don't you see Murtha is just another pretty shiny Object to distract you from how incompetent the Bush Regime is. Last month it was immigration... Fox, Rush et. al. are part of what you folk call "MSM". Lemmings??

Hal
I think our military and the rest of the thinking country are still waiting for murtha to apologize to the Haidtha marines he accused of atrocities before knowing the facts. There is viturally no coverage of their exoneration in your press.
This clown speaks out of both sides of his very generous big mouth.
Talk about leemings.

Packrat
Let me put it this way. I see baby step improvements and more if we keep the pressure on. And please as stated above pork or needed project is where you live. I have spent a good amount of time in Murtha's district. The vast majority of his constituents love him.

LBJ was a different generation better in some ways worse in others

National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC)
Established in 1993, the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC) is a component of the U.S. Department of Justice and a member of the Intelligence Community. The General Counterdrug Intelligence Plan, signed by the President in February 2000, designated NDIC as the nation's principal center for strategic domestic counterdrug intelligence.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All well and good, but nothing on their website shows who runs this bucket shop. It seems that this outfit's purpose is to indicate if cannabis is actually marijuana before twisting the joint and toking up. Other than that, with all the DOJ references the mission of this entity seems

healthcare
Hmmm I just cannot seem to find any columns concerning the fact that the highly regarded Commonwealth Fund finds our healthcare is FAR from the best in the world.

Any ideas why we are beating up on Murtha and not discussing US healthcare or how to handle Iraq?

Lemmings
I love watching your "righteous indignation". Why don't you check over the last 10 years which states received the most federal money and which paid the most to the federal government? Nah! you folks hate facts.....

CONCURRANT TECHNOLOGIES CORP
http://www.ctc.com/
As a nonprofit organization, CTC conducts impartial,

In-depth assessments and delivers reliable, unbiased solutions that emphasize increased quality, enhanced effectiveness, and rapid technology transition and deployment.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
As a stand alone business entity CTC has no reason to be listed as a "non-profit organization". All companies - this includes illicit operations - perform some form of what an economic society would define as "goodwill" so making profit should be in its business plan. Profitability means acceptance to remain in business another day and nothing seen in CTC profile indicates lack of need for its products and services. Per the web site, the company exposes zero transparency. Besides listing the name of the CEO there is no reference to a Board of Directors or composite leadership team. Likewise, there are no financial statements to ascertain this company’s cash flow operations. These blinds would be acceptable for a small Subchapter S Corp but not for an entity with multiple offices claiming to employ over 1,500 employees. In today's world this display of smoke and mirrors is unacceptable especially when it is discovered that this corporate survives on receipt of federal funds from the general taxpayers' fund through congressional earmarks.
.

It is hard
It is hard to drain the swamp when you are dumping sewage in the swamp by the tanker (Murtha et al) and removing it with tea spoons.

All that happen in Congress is that the names on the doors changed.

The quote by Mr Adams in the movie 1776 is way too accurate

"I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is a disgrace, that two are called a law firm, and that three or more become a congress!"

Charlie
"the debt of this nation becomes greater every minute, and yet Washington can't stop irresponsibly spending the people's money! what ever happened to the "balanced budget amendment" crowd? I think there should be an amendment requiring an annual surplus, and no politician in Washin gotn should be paid until it can be certified so each year! that surplus should also be split between debt retirement and a national savings account which could be drawn and/or "borrowed" against for few reasons of national crisis...like war."

I can easily answer that question extreme conservatives somehow got control of the government. And of course talking smaller government and less spending began to run both up outrageously. Actually Republican has come to mean deficit spending and bigger government. Look at the last 25 years or so

Never changes
And so it goes. Anyone watching government knows very well that the majority in both parties have always played the pork barrel game. It started almost as soon as Washington became President, and it has never changed. It's just gotten worse and more expensive.

If you think changing parties is the solution, think again.

I agree with the poster who has written this off as an issue that the public can or will do anything about. The majority of people, after all, think that their representative is ok, it's the other guys who isn't.

About all we've learned - one more time - is that no matter who you elect, they will spend money until they can't do so anymore.

And, perhaps that day is coming. The baby boomers started retiring this year, and all of those entitlement programs are going to start steadily increasing. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Bush's Drug Act will consume the budget - leaving little else for any other expenditures.

If you think things are bad in Washington now, wait a few years. Then it will get very interesting.


Geez renny, wake up.
You actually think the cons in the 2006 or the new batch are anywhere near being real cvonservatives?

Smell the coffee! And learn what "less government" would mean in a population of 300 miliion and growing.

For Anne, who thinks Congress has turned into a cesspool, there is no hope. She's just a brain dead ideologue. By the way Anne, in the last election at the state levels the Republicans got worse than they did at the national level.

Get the hint?

FDR and socialism
Ever since the Dems. discovered the Const. "allowed" fed. tax monies for education (never mentioned in the text) and highways (sneaking in through defense) and local-hero museums (interstate commerce clause) in the 1930s, there is no longer any limit on what the fed. gov't can't appro. taxes for and projects to spend it on.

The 1960s saw an enormous expansion of those earlier "discoveries" through Medicare and Medicaid and the idiot grants system that now sometimes sends monies to organizations that use it to lobby for more money.

Earmarks are just the latest (and fairly recent) development for umdermining Congress' budget-making perview. If Reps., who weren't doing such a good job of keeping fed. spending down--a major reason for losing 2006, don't get their acts together to support LESS gov't, A MAJOR PREMISE OF CONSERVATISM, 2008 will be worse.

ROBERT NOVAK
NOVAK IS WITHOUT DOUBT THE GREATEST
THING TO COME ALONG SINCE SLICED LOAF BREAD
( IN SPITE OF WHAT TANNABARE SAYS ).

Pelosi promised to clean the swamp!

In less than a year, the dumbocraps have turned Congress into a cesspool!



Nam65-66: It can be done state by state!
.

It Isn't Going To Change . . .
Have you noticed that almost every person running for Congress (Democrat or Republican)talks about curbing spending when they get to Washington? And that when they get there they learn how easy it is to spend "somebody else's money" (our taxes)? And have you ever noticed that we who elect them tend to think that money coming from Washington is not OUR money that has to be covered later with still MORE taxes? I have had the hope for at least five decades that someday a U.S. Senate and House of Representatives would be elected that practices fiscal sanity. I've given up hope! Folks, it isn't going to happen!!! The more things change, the more they stay the same.

I guess our nation will have to become bankrupt before our legislators practice in office the promises they make when they are running for office.

HalD: Who cares???

Murtha is a reporbate who needs to be gone from Congress.

And I'm still hoping that someone will call for his public apology on the House floor for his dispicable comments about the Marines...who have been cleared.


it's the media
if the US media propagandists don't press the reporting about these outrageous earmarks (corruption and graft), then the US public will never be aroused sufficiently to scare the Washington criminals, but the MSM is biased in its propaganda, and that's biased AGAINST the betterment of the people!
it has become painfully obvious that our fellow citizens holding our trust in our government are every bit as self-serving and corrupt as those of Mexico's government or any third world country; perhaps it is hidden here (or not "outed" vehemently) a bit more efficiently, but just a devastating to the population.
a bridge falls in Minn and the "pols" and the "press" decry that it is due to not enough money having been thrown at the problem of infrastructure, but then it is revealed that Minn has received hundreds of millions of taxpayer funds in earmarks used for bike paths and parks and "beautification" and on and on and on, projects of much less importance than bridge repair and replacement! We must stop the insanity!
the debt of this nation becomes greater every minute, and yet Washington can't stop irresponsibly spending the people's money! what ever happened to the "balanced budget amendment" crowd? I think there should be an amendment requiring an annual surplus, and no politician in Washin gotn should be paid until it can be certified so each year! that surplus should also be split between debt retirement and a national savings account which could be drawn and/or "borrowed" against for few reasons of national crisis...like war.

MURTHA
WHAT WILL ALL THOSE EARMARKS TO MURTHA'S
SWAMP DO TO HELP ME SELL USED CARS AND
CATCH SNIPES ??????????

Term limits...
...The people who have to approve the Constitutional amendment to limit terms are the one's whose terms you want to limit?

Good luck with that!

Elkiejg: Agreed 100%

I have long said that if a state needs Fed. money for anything, then it should be able to stand ON ITS OWN without being tagged on the back of another bill.

Earmarks should be illegal!!!

Term limits? Absolutely! If term limits can Constitutionally be imposed on the presidency, then it can be imposed on Congress as well.

Enough is enough!

And, you're right too that "We The People" can do it just as we did it with the Shamnesty Bill.

We need to own the fact that "We The People" are Congress' oversight committee, and until the Shamnesty Bill, we were doing a very poor job.


SSGTRET
"what do ya have to say for your HERO Murtha now? Let me guess. He gives alot of these earmarks to the military to help your medical crisis of the fallen. He is pushing to fix WR as well, huh? Your a crock, and Murtha is a sham artist. Shame on both of you."

Two things in response. Murtha is very engaged in attempting to save military healthcare while you folks and the Bush Regime go shopping and play with pretty yellow ribbons. Talk to me when you folks remember our wounded and their familes.

Second, I find it difficult to believe that you lemmings actually hop on board the trash Murtha wagon. You may not even know it but he was the darling of your lemming steering committee until he had the courage to speak honestly about Iraq and the harm being done to our military.

We the people have to do it!!
The only way earmark corruption in Congress can be stopped is by the American people. It will take a strong grassroots effort - but it can be done. This was proved by the defeat of the "Scammesty" Bill.

To start, two items should be forced on Congress - no more earmarks at all AND term limits.

If the bloggers get behind these two items and generate the groundswell, it could happen.

Earmarks? How about Committees/Panel etc
Earmarks? How many Committees, panels and commissions are there? Sub-Committees? How much are their budgets? How much are the Chair and co-chairs paid? Members pay? Please expose, by Congressman the money....follow he money Bob! Bill Walker West Chester PA

I just hope Flake, Campbell
and the small handful of other legislators keep fighting the fight and try to continue to get some press on this.....I am afraid they will tire of the stone walling, and pack it in.

These guys in Congress are ridiculous. I want to know the percentage of these clowns that have held down a real job since they left college.

It's about time
to get a bill passed outlawing earmarks.It's ridiculous that this one bill alone had 1300 earmarks attached,one of them worth 39 million.No wonder the budget is so bloated.I suppose though,since the congcritters are in charge of the purse strings,this kind of corruption will continue.

Sickining
I hope everyone that reads this sends it to everyone they know. These Porky people NEED to be out of positions of power in the U.S. Government! How in the world can they be called PATRIOTS! What in the world are they doing in office? When it is other peoples money I guess it is'nt much problem throwing it around eh? Then they have the Gall to blame everything on our President! Murtha does not speak a word for me.

Over and over and over again...
....With the nation's schools dumbing down kids' ability to analyze what they read and hear, this corruption will not go away soon. 17 term Murtha, and forever-with-us Kennedy types...why are they voted in repeatedly?
What a disaster.

An earmark...
...for my district is a much needed and important piece of legislation.An earmark for your district is pork barrel politics.
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