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Saturday, August 11, 2007
Robert Novak :: Townhall.com Columnist
"King Corruption" Reigns
by Robert Novak
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WASHINGTON -- Republicans returning to the House floor on Friday morning Aug. 3 after their walkout the night before were surprised to find as presiding officer the Democrat they call "King Corruption": Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, master of earmarks and backroom deals.

Rep. Ed Pastor, a 64-year-old eight-term Democrat from Phoenix, Ariz., who is affable and well-liked by Republicans, had been scheduled to preside. But Speaker Nancy Pelosi, fearing parliamentary tricks by Republicans, put her muscleman Murtha in the chair.

Murtha's performance as non-partisan presiding officer ran true to form. On a voice vote, Murtha ruled for Democrats when obviously more Republicans were on the House floor. He subsequently ordered a roll call vote, though members rising in support clearly fell short of the 44 required. After that ruling was challenged, Murtha declared: "The chair's decision is not subject to question."

HILLARY'S LEAD

Democratic insiders who are not neutral in the presidential race do not take seriously the USA Today/Gallup poll of Democratic voters showing Sen. Hillary Clinton 23 percentage points ahead of Sen. Barack Obama. They contend national surveys are meaningless because outcomes of the early state contests are still critical.

State polls show a virtual three-way tie among Clinton, Obama and former Sen. John Edwards in Iowa's early caucuses. Clinton has only a narrow lead over Obama in New Hampshire's opening primary. Obama has moved slightly ahead in the latest survey for South Carolina, the next primary state.

A footnote: Mitt Romney collects only 6 percent in the USA Today/Gallup national poll of Republicans but leads in Iowa and New Hampshire.

DISSENTER DIANNE

The Senate Judiciary Committee unexpectedly sent to the Senate floor the judicial nomination of former Mississippi Court of Appeals Judge Leslie Southwick, thanks to a defection by Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California that blindsided Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy.

The homosexual rights coalition has targeted for defeat President Bush's nomination of Southwick to the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals (Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi). Leahy called for an immediate committee vote on Aug. 2, expecting that the nomination would be killed. According to Senate sources, Republican Whip Trent Lott appealed to Feinstein on grounds that the Republican-controlled Senate had confirmed President Bill Clinton's judicial nomination of California liberal Richard Paez. Feinstein's vote provided a 10 to 9 edge for Southwick.

A footnote: This dissent adds to liberal displeasure with Feinstein, who voted for extension of the Patriot Act and supported authority for federal eavesdropping of suspected terrorists without court warrants.

READING ABOUT RAHM

Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma, heading Republican efforts to take back the House in 2008, has advised his staffers at the National Republican Congressional Committee to read an account of how the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, under the chairmanship of Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, won the 2006 elections.

The book recommended by Cole is "The Thumpin': How Rahm Emanuel and the Democrats Learned to Be Ruthless and Ended the Republican Revolution" by Naftali Bendavid.

Cole told me he believes Republican operatives should read Bendavid's book because it "shows the Democrats were lucky to win" despite their mistakes. At a point of low Republican morale, Cole thinks the book demonstrates Democrats are not 10-feet tall.

YOUTH FROM PEORIA

Aaron Schock, a conservative 26-year-old Illinois state legislator, is privately boosted by national Republican operatives as their choice in a contested GOP primary next year to replace retiring seven-term Rep. Ray LaHood from the Peoria, Ill., district.

Schock would represent a rightward shift in the centrist representation of the solidly Republican district by LaHood for 14 years and by his old boss, former House Minority Leader Bob Michel, for the preceding 38 years.

Michel spent 20 years in the House Republican leadership, but LaHood's ambitions to become a leader were frustrated by the post-Michel Republican caucus. LaHood considered but abandoned a run for governor of Illinois in 2006.

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"The Stolen Vote"
Rather than merely complain about how the D's handled H.R. 3161, I sued Pelosi:

http://www.doctor-bob.biz/AA-Pelosi/pelosi.htm

The op-ed piece that accompanies the "legalistisms" was published on 8/10/2007 in the Philadelphia Evening Bulletin and will be on-line (on its web-site) on 8/13/2007.

Comments and input are invited.

Murtha
Putting John Murtha in the chair indicates that the Democrats don't really care who knows how corrupt they are.

Mr.Novak
It is hard to be relevant in your 70s,ask John McCain.It becomes sad when a old boxer does not know when to retire.He becomes "SLOPPY",unable to throw combinations or take advantage of opponents weaknesses.When I read your column or articles,I feel a certain "SADNESS" for Americans.Then I go and read Walter Lippman.That was a "GIANT".You on the other hand are just a "OLD MAN"!!Bitter,weak,reactionary,and SAD..

Feinstein
"This dissent adds to liberal displeasure with Feinstein, who voted for extension of the Patriot Act and supported authority for federal eavesdropping of suspected terrorists without court warrants."

However, she's "Wrong Way Feinstein" on the Fairness Doctine.

Moral Relativism? Certainly!
"Rep. Ed Pastor, a 64-year-old eight-term Democrat from Phoenix, Ariz., who is affable and well-liked by Republicans, had been scheduled to preside. But Speaker Nancy Pelosi, fearing parliamentary tricks by Republicans, put her muscleman Murtha in the chair."

Now until Murtha's display of courage and real commitment to the troops, Novak would have described Murtha in even more glowing terms than he just did Pastor. This is just further proof that if you do not support the conservatives in lock step look out. They will even trash a military hero and Congressman who has dedicated his live to defense and the military.

Carry on folks it shows not only your moral relstivism but your cowardice.

Hal Donahue
Murtha's pork-barrel persona, which is as corrupt as his Republican counterpart in Alaska, is well-known. His views on the Iraq War have no bearing on that! What a totally irrelevant comment you make.

The millions Murtha wants for his home state are for an entity that no one can even prove exists! Please!

Murtha is beyond disgraceful
He and most of the other dhimmicrats in leadership positions have patterned themselves after the pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm, Murtha being the most ruthless and gluttonous porcine player in the pen, siphoning up way more than his share of the slop, which is the tax dollars taken forcefully from the sheeple.

Those of us in the rest of country who pay only slight attention to their antics are disgusted and ashamed. What's wrong with PA that they keep electing this despicable bully?

To paraphrase Mr. Donohue; "This is just further proof that if you do not support the libdolts in lock step, look out!" And what kind of person subscribes to a moral relevancy that follows and endorses corruption at the highest levels of your government? You guys learned well from the Clintons; it matters not what laws are broken or rules twisted because the ends justifies the means. That's out and out tyranny...

Oh, Hal, I added some appropriate punctuation since it seems your keyboard doesn't feature those handy little dots and dashes. And my computer is also equipped with something called spell checker, something you may want to look into during a lull in your ongoing lovefest with these creeps, you dimwit.

Novak and Plame
I'm still waiting tohearwhy Novak, knowing the information would harm Valerie Plame, released it anyway.

As an embarrassed resident of the

Commonwealth of PA, I believe that Murtha should be recalled!





jlohman: Where have you been, Tibet?

Where ever you've been, it's obvious that you didn't have access to cell phone signals, radio, tv., newspapers, or the internet.

But, here's the news, in a nutshell. Novak DID NOT release any information that harmed Valerie Plame.

In fact, the only harm that was done was caused by Patrick Fitzgerald who wasted time and money on a witch hunt going after Libby...even after he admitted that he knew no damage was done to Plame.






osthode/roadmaster/Anne
"You guys learned well from the Clintons; it matters not what laws are broken or rules twisted because the ends justifies the means. That's out and out tyranny..."

There you go again you silly extremists. This has nothing at all to do with Clinton or, for that matter, Murtha. It has to do with YOU nasty people. Nothing has changed about Murtha except he heroically spoke out against a badly mismanaged and incompetently led Iraq War. But now you viciously attack Murtha who was one of your previous heroes in Congress. Moral relativism? Get a grip. As always you folks say one thing and do another. Say support the troops and do close hospitals and cut services. Disgusting and guess what the American people now know it.

osthode/roadmaster/Anne
For the record I do not live in Murtha's district

osthode & roadmaster: As if Murtha's

earmarks aren't enough, there is the little matter of the "Haditha Marines" whom John "Abscam" Murtha smeared and pronounced guilty of cold-blooded murder (who by the way have been CLEARED of ALL charges.)

John "Abscam" Murtha is beneath contempt!

Thankfully, I do not live in John "Abscam" Murtha district, but he's an embarrassement to the Commonwealth of PA and the Marine Corp!


Anne, nice points :)

If only the rest of the voting citizens knew what a bunch of self-absorbed clowns were running Congress.

Yeah, it's the Democrats
A funny thing happened on the way to Congress.

They took a vote of what people thought of Congress. The popularity of Congress was low, as it always is. The people complained about Congress doing this, and Congress doing that and how we needed to throw them all out.

Then the pollster asked the people about THEIR representatives. All you heard was glowing praise of what a GREAT job THEIR representatives were.

Many of you won't even understand why I made that comment.

I'm not going to dignify the tripe that has been posted here about the Democrats and Murtha and others. After what the Democrats did under Newt and what they did over the last six years, you folks have absolutely NO leg to stand on when it comes to criticizing the procedural moves in Congress.

If you folks ever decide that you want to work TOGETHER to get this on the right track call me. Until then your partisanship isn't any better than the other side's partisanship.

BIG error
After what the REPUBLICANS did under Newt . . .

Anne
"Thankfully, I do not live in John "Abscam" Murtha district, but he's an embarrassement to the Commonwealth of PA and the Marine Corp!"

And you still have not said why this new found hostility to Murtha when before he was one of your heroes. You see he is a conservative Congressman the kind you worship but he had the courage to speak up so you let the hounds of hell loose. Oh, and remember Rove et. al. sent the swifty types to get him out of office last election. high salaries etc but the citizens stood with Murtha especially the veterans. Haditha? Context please. He was using it as an example of the troops being streched and stressed too far. Are they you bet. Have troops been convicted you bet. Should they be? I some how think Rumsfeld and Bush should be co conspirators...

This Pennsylvanian
Is embarressed by Murtha. I recently took a trip to Johnstown. What a wreck, you would have thought another flood went through. My question is, Where is all that pork going to? It certainly isn't going to downtown Johnstown.

Sucking vacuum
Of empty holes from the heads of both political parties.

Same old crap over and over again arguing among themselves to keep the nation divided and neither party gives a rats behind what the will of citizens are, exceptions not withstanding.

Its all blah blah blah and I am sick of both and recommend we elect anyone but a lawyer who is a democrat or a republican.

Make Congress look like the Little Big Horn massacre, wipe them all out.

In case the lemming liberals haven't

noticed, this discussion IS ABOUT John "Abscam" Murtha!

Typical of the lemming liberals, they just cannot stay focused on the TOPIC AT HAND! But rather, they post extraneous, irrelevant issues in an effort to not face up to the FACTS.

And one FACT is that John "Abscam" Murtha is beneath contempt!!!!




Self-serving, absorbed
"Self-serving, absorbed clowns" suits all the Presidential candidates but one. I noticed that nationwide, Republicans are not sold on Romney, for instance. His statement that his grown sons, are serving the nation by helping him get elected, believing he will be a 'great President'betrays a narcissistic tendency. He is not alone in this trait. I read a column today from another venue that did, indeed, strip Romney pretty bare, politically. This, from a NYT person, is astonishing, but welcome.

Duncan Hunter is more concerned with Country than Self. He is alone in that.

Donohue: Yet another fabrication!!!

John "Abscum" Murtha was NEVER one of my heroes.

As for the rest of your post, I didn't bother to read it... After that nonsense, I knew it would be a waste of my time...

I can't begin to imagine how or where you come up with the junk you come up with. It is absolutely amazing!!!



Party hacks
Just come here to keep the crap going, endless bobbing and weaving with worthless words, falling to the ground as soon as it leaves their lips.
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Hal Donahue writes:

There you go again you silly extremists. As always you folks say one thing and do another. Say support the troops and do close hospitals and cut services. Disgusting and guess what the American people now know it.
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Perfect example of bs spreading and just keeps the flaming going on that divides us all.

We must find what will unite us, say something like law and order along with the Constitution.


Anne
"In case the lemming liberals haven't noticed, this discussion IS ABOUT John "Abscam" Murtha!
Typical of the lemming liberals, they just cannot stay focused on the TOPIC AT HAND! But rather, they post extraneous, irrelevant issues in an effort to not face up to the FACTS."

No it isn't Anne. The topic at hand which you nor anyone else here will answer is "And you still have not said why this new found hostility to Murtha when before he was one of your heroes."
There is nothing extraneous or irrelevant about that question. Your name calling does not change that. You folks try to personally trash everyone who dares to disagree with you even your friends

talent scout: "..law and order along

with the Constitution."

That would be nice, but after the delightful little vote in the House the other night, it certainly appears that "law and order and the Constitution" are being completely ignored by the party in power!



talent scout
"Perfect example of bs spreading and just keeps the flaming going on that divides us all.

We must find what will unite us, say something like law and order along with the Constitution."

Not one bit of BS there. Unite us? Sure how about really supporting the troops and how about paying for a war? Law and order is a dangerous issue for you folks as we have seen and apparently you have a different constitution than our founding fathers wrote. What law and order issue can we agree on and what in the constition would you like changed

Donohue: Read this very carefully!!!

John "Abscum" Murtha was NEVER one of my heroes!

Let me repeat that for you because you seem to have trouble grasping what I've posted...

John "Abscum" Murtha was NEVER one of my heroes!

If you're still having trouble getting it, let me suggest that you ask your care-taker to explain it to you.




Anne
Until Murtha heroicly spoke out he was both Bush and Rove's go to guy in the house for all matters military. Fact

Just more needless hateful character assination

Anne
I love it

The "king" is the face of "reformists"?
It's a SHAME that the "King" is the face of the "reformist" Democrats.

http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://OsiSpeaks.org

talent scout: In case you haven't notice

(which I'm sure you have) Donohue is very similar to roberto and hak and a few other limited liberals who come on TH with nothing worthwhile to post....

And often they read what they want to read, rather than what's actually posted.

Sometimes their posts are just so ridiculous that the only reaction is to laugh, but other times, one simply cannot imagine how they come up with the nonsense!

Donohue seems to be in rare form today. LOL




On Valeria Plame
Oh I see, Anne. As a responsible reporter Novak did not have any responsibility to withhold from the press information that was going to be harmful to a US citizen. Once he recklessly published it, it was then up to Fitzgerald to ignore it?

I don't think so.

The political Plame game
Valerie Plame, trophy wife of all trophy wives, does not deserve better treatment than National Security.

Why is the NYT (as in nyt-wits) not indited for revealing government secrets while Scooter Libby languishes in prison over this insignificant blonde bimbo?

The State department has been taken over by America-haters, and we are in big trouble because if it.

Anne, ignore the Hal ad-hominem lie
Did he spend one second addressing what a corrupt, pork-laden, procedural cheating scumbag murtha is? No. Of course not. Instead, he changes the topic by producing a lie that in his hate filled little leftist brain makes you look like a hypocrite.

See how neat and clean that all is? In order to make murtha pure, just fabricate something about his detractors to change the subject. You know, isn't that was Carville was paid for in the 90's?

Anyway, now it's dogjudges turn to throw on his holier than thou sanctimony cloak, completely ignoring lying scum like donaho and rebuking all the evil Republicans for fomenting hatred and not getting along.

-sigh- Some things never change.

jlohman: You still don't get it!

NO harm was done to any US citizen...Not Plame or anyone, except maybe Scooter Libby, and that was Fitzgerald's witch hunt.

You can hold on to your falsehood all you want, but it's a falshood you're hanging on to....


Anne
"Donohue seems to be in rare form today. LOL"

Thank you Anne and you have said what of substance? I know you hate to hear this but I must run. Adios and have a great weekend! By the way it is Donahue ;>)


Murtha and pork
I was doing some reading on one of his earmarks and it was determined that it was a project that no one knew anything about to inlcude the Murtha legislative allies. One of them openly admitted that he had no idea what the money is being used for. A reporter traveled to Johnstown to research the pork and a firm representative declined to provide the information.

Murtha is a bully and he is unpatriotic. Regarding the Marines it was inappropriate of him to declare someone guilty prior to trial.

Anne
Anne writes: Saturday, August, 11, 2007 11:28 AM
talent scout: "..law and order along

with the Constitution."

That would be nice, but after the delightful little vote in the House the other night, it certainly appears that "law and order and the Constitution" are being completely ignored by the party in power!
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This is my point
Our Congress is NOT showing care or honor for either.

And their arguments are doing nothing but dividing the country as we all choose up sides and argue over bs.

The sort of bs Hal brings and gets response to.

I say ignore the fool

Anne
You typically don't reply to my questions, so I probably won't be disappointed.

"NO harm was done to any US citizen...Not Plame or anyone"

Your comment? Correct?

How about amusing me with a response to this thought.

Would you agree that Valerie Plame was a covert agent at some time in her career with the CIA? Would you agree that she dealt with other covert agents in the CIA during that tenure?

So if you were part of a foreign intelligence organization, let's use Iran as an example. You find out that Plame worked as a covert agent for the CIA. As that foreign intelligence agent, you think you might go back and see what information you might have on her? You think that you would try to correlate that information to identify EVERY PERSON she came in contact with? You think you just MIGHT try to use this to identify other covert CIA agents?

It isn't the simple outing of a CIA agent that's an issue. You've now potentially outed an entire group.

THAT is exactly why George Bush the first was so livid when these types of things happened. That is why he pushed for passage of the law concerning leaking the names of CIA agents.

No one person was hurt? Try the entire country was hurt.

Please show me where I'm wrong, I await your elucidating comments.

I see it clearly now
Hal,
I've been following your running commentary recently since I have respect for everyone who has served in the military. I was concerned when I saw you were associated (in any way) with Huffington. Your unyielding support of John Murtha today made it all clear to me. You are one of those guys who believe that if you say anything, no matter how outrageous, and repeat it often enough you can sway opinion. The Clinton machine worked that like a charm.

Murtha and others in both parties have been "partying" with our hard-earned taxdollars too long. If you can't see corruption when it's paraded in front of you, you need a vacation from politics.


You're wrong, dogjudge
Valerie Plame was a desk officer, and once the press reported that she had two very small children, I bet she's been a desk officer since they were born. I can't see the CIA sending out a mother of small children on "covert" missions. Not in today's litigious and politically correct climate, which by the way, is just one of the problems the CIA is plagued by today. Also, before you get your panties in a wad worrying about damage to Valerie, she didn't exactly cover herself with glory when she claimed that she had nothing to do with sending her husband to Nigeria, and then the emails and memos showed up proving that she brought up the idea and pushed it to her boss. Her husband has been shown over and over again to be a liar. They are both opportunists, Democratic tools who also suffer from Bush Derangement Syndrome. I was glad to hear that the federal judge threw out her worthless and meritless lawsuit agains the White House. Now what do you say?

Oh dogjudge: Get real!

Plame was no longer covert, and she hadn't been under cover for well over five years which meant she was no longer "covert" as defined by the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act, (and this is according to Toensing who was co-author of the IIPA.)

All Novak said was that she worked at the CIA! Do you have any idea how many people work at the CIA in Langley? Thousands!

And, everyone... neighbors and friends...knew she worked for the CIA. It was no secret to anyone.

Heck, my daughter and her husband who live in Dale City, have two friends who work at the CIA. All of their friends know they work at the CIA.

Get a grip!



If a genie were to pop out of a bottle
I find along the shore, I would ask for 3 things: 1) ETHICS REFORM 2) ETHICS REFORM 3) ETHICS REFORM! (Got that trick from realtors, i.e., location, location, location :-)

Asking the members of Congress to police themselves is like asking a pig to step away from an overflowing trough. For some reason they believe the money we taxpayers send to Washington is supposed to be spent on THEIR pet projects in THEIR districts!

If the members representing my state refused to add ONE earmark to any bill, I might actually have some respect for them!

The big deal over earmark transparency didn't get very far...so much for the "more ethical house" Ms. Pelosi stated she would run!

Members of Congress had better get the message soon...we are rapidly running out of patience putting up with their erroneous ways!

talent scout: Yes, I know...

I was just adding to your point... :-)



I despise tax and spend democrats
Yet love tax and spend republicans?

None bigger than GW Bush himself, he is no patriot.
No more so than murtha the puke.

The entire **** Congress argues over any issue but what is good for the Nation itself it seems to me.

The US Constitution and the REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS no longer exists.
We are NOT governed by that document and its worthless to the very people who have taken a sworn OATH to defend.
Very few of them appear to ever have read it and submit to the limitations it holds the Federal Government to.
Our house if filled with abusers of the law of the land in my opinion.
From both parties we have lying actors using stage names of democrat or republican and are nothing but socialists themselves.

America is NOT a Democracy and we hear from the President himself that it IS!

He is an idiot as well, and is a globalist socialist scumbag and mixes his message enough to win the hearts of many.

The nation building going on in Iraq is a globalist goal, for merchants and their lackeys in politics all over Europe and America.

He strums us with his music playing hearts and minds like one would a fiddle.

He is a manipulative manlipper and uses words from his globalist agenda to ease his decietful bs as just cause and national interest.

to be continued.......

On Plame
And "Anne," you still don't get it. Plame sought the same anonomity (and safety) that you obviously seek by not identifying yourself on this blog, but in her case it meant that the enemy might still have her on a hit list. This was an irresponsible decision by Robert Novak that started the chain reaction, and it is he that should be in jail.

To continue
The WOT is a scheme, necessary to bring in the changes the global body of socialists all over the world in high positions want imposed on all mens liberty.

The President sees himself as more of a world representative than he does an American, and he has proven this with his NAU PUSH and SHOVE to bring in millions of immigrants.

The Middle Class of educated Americans cannot be destroyed with out bringing these uneducated servants who have proven they will not stand up for Civil Rights in their own country they flee from.

Nothing going on in politics that is NOT planned for, including the destruction of the US middle class.
Must happen to bring us to our knees to government rule over individual liberty this nation is built on.

Whose RIGHTS come from GOD and not state as GW Bush and his partners like Ted Kennedy is driving the nation to.

One hope left and is all there is, the same hope the Founders turned to when faced with the powers of state of King George the III.

GOD!
And out politicians work very hard to remove God from all politics and the public recognition.
The battle today is the same as it was then.





Anne
Everyone didn't know she was covert.

I didn't ask if she was covert over the last five years, I asked if she worked as a covert agent. Do you have ANY source that states that she NEVER worked as a covert agent?

Additionally, it has come out that she was working on the Iranian atomic plans. I have no way of knowing whether she was or not.

Given our current situation with Iran (and the reason that I used them as an example), do you think that the Iranians would think of going back and seeing if they could connect her with ANYONE in Iran? Five years ago or even ten years ago.

Anyone who might have been connected to her, is possibly compromised.

If you are so biased as to not understand that concept that's fine. Just don't apply for any jobs at the CIA soon.

BTW, my brother-in-law served as a translator in Turkey during the Cuban missile crisis. It was a special program monitoring Russia. He STILL won't talk about ANYTHING related to that time in his life.

NOW do you get it?

jlohman: You ARE kidding? Right?

"Plame sought the same anonomity (and safety) that you obviously seek by not identifying yourself on this blog, but in her case it meant that the enemy might still have her on a hit list."

That is by far, one of the most preposterous, ridiculous, lamebrained statements or arguments I've read on TH in a very long time...

In fact, you may just be in contention for the "Dumbest Post of the Week Award!"

Oh wait, you might get second place since roberto was on his game this week and posted a few that were even dumb for him.

Is second place okay?








and going beyond ABSCAM ...
and while affecting the most anti-military stand possible; this clown Murtha is STILL using his position on the arms services committee to throw war profiteering business towards his relatives; nepotism gone wild and the same sort of thing that caused a REAL war hero like Duke Cunningham to be disgraced.


CapeConservative

Members of congress do not need to "get the message soon".

The average (90%) voter in my neighborhood, votes for whoever says, "Free Stuff". Half the country hasn't a clue who their reps are. Until we educate dummies, we're doomed. Congress can do as it pleases until the economy flat-lines.

That should take just 4 years of Hillary.



Many in government
And media concentrate their arguments on issues NOT EVEN ALLOWED IN THE US CONSTITUTION.

National Health care?

Where they get this bs it is something to even argue about?

Its a NON issue with the lawful governorance in America.

Yet these enemies of the US Constitution make it sound as if its something they have a right to decide and DO NOT.

I grew up when NO ONE had health insurance cause the doctors did NOT charge the citizens a lifes fortune cause they desired to keep living.
And FEW among us were lawyers using the law to ENRICH THEMSELVES AND **** JUSTICE.

Corruption?
Hell yes, from the top down

dogjudge: I know it's difficult and
painful for you to grasp, but it was common knowledge in the Washington DC circles that Plame worked for the CIA.

And, that's all that Novak wrote... her idiot husband went to Niger, and was sent by the CIA, and it happened that the idiot's wife, Plame, worked for the CIA.

It was her idiot husband who made an issue...

Geeze, are you jlohman drinking the same stupid juice???





BUT!!! What about the future?
"heroically spoke out against a badly mismanaged and incompetently led Iraq War."

To point out when another stumbles and falls is not "heroic". "Heroic" is above and beyond the call of duty. The was no heroisim in the demonicRAT march to war when it was popular, just as none exists to criticize when it is in vogue. How about the courage to support people who are fighting and making mistakes and taking the heat while doing both.

I appolgize in advance if this posting was meant as a critic of the oversight responsiblity of congress and they are displaying 20/20 hindsight and expecting to be loved for it.

On Plame
Anne, don't just sit there and spew this crap about "the most preposterous, ridiculous, lamebrained statements or arguments blah, blah, blah..."

TELL ME MORE! Why does Novack not have to be responsible in his reporting???? Admittedly he put only one life at risk so he could get paid for a story, butwhere is his so-called "compassion?".

Are you Mrs Novack by chance?

Carlos: How right you are!!!!!

"Free Stuff!" No such thing!

The problem is, these liberal lunatics who can hardly wait to have the government give them "Free Stuff" don't seem to understand that someone has to pay for the "Free Stuff" and that someone is us... all of us...with our taxes.

How about this?

1. You want to buy a new car.
2. You take your own money and buy the new car of your choice!
3. You are happy! :-)

or

1. You want to buy a new car.
2. You've given most of your money to the government in taxes.
3. So the government decides what kind of car they'll allow you to have... because they have your money....

I'd rather buy my own car with my own money, thank you. :-)











Anne - jlohman response and others
With that type of response, do you expect ANYONE to respect your opinions? Everyone who disagrees with you is crazy, a lunatic, worst post of the day and on and on.

Based on your remarks, please don't complain about any pejoratives that anyone else might use.

Please go join the Bill O'Reilly school of debate.

Plame. Impossible to discuss the issue with you.

I would love to know what George Senior thinks of junior's apparent disregard for the secrecy around CIA agents. Love to be a fly on the wall of those discussions.

"You can keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool, or you can open it up and take away all doubt."


jlohman: Give us all a break! Pa-lease!

Your statement or argument (whatever it was supposed to be) was, in fact, preposterous, ridiculous, lamebrained. It was, in fact, blah, blah, blah...

Novak was NOT irresponsible! He put NO one's life at risk... not Plame's or anyone's.

I've already wasted more than enough time with you.

And no, I'm not Mrs. Novak.






habermassive: Excellent Point!!!!!


John "Abscum" Murtha is STILL using his position on the arms services committee, but Duke Cunningham is doing time...

I kind of disagree about Cunningham. He disgraced his "hero" status all by himself. He made some bad choices, and paid the consequences.



A traitor can only be a friend...
this you expect from the enemy.

dogjudge writes: Saturday, August, 11, 2007 1:19 PM

"I would love to know what George Senior thinks of junior's apparent disregard for the secrecy around CIA agents. Love to be a fly on the wall of those discussions."

I would love to know what you think of Plame's husband outing her by speaking to the press about his activities, and distorting the truth. A spy covered on a magazine, and recomending a spouse for an important mission to gather information on new-clear proliferation.

A good liar says very very little, the best say nothing.

dogjudge: pejoratives? LOL
The only ones who think like you are the lunatic liberals such as yourself. :-)





On Plame
"You can keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool, or you can open it up and take away all doubt."

Yes, Anne, and you've suceeded.

On Anne
And sombody, please tell me: Is "Anne" hosting this site and I am stepping on golden toes? Or is she just a loudmouth?

jlohman
You've got your answer.

As with other political sites, including ones such as Huffington Post, Think Progress, and others you get a group of rabid folks. These are the types that say it's too bad that Cheney didn't die when he visited Iraq and they bombed the area near where he was at or some of the folks here when you mention Bill or Hillary.

Hope against hope, I like to try to see if you can actually reason with Anne from time to time. She can sometimes get to the edge, but can't seem to ever take that final step.

What I find especially humorous is how it is just about impossible for her to post something without disparaging others. Can't just seem to reply.

I had a great discussion with BrianR yesterday on a column about Chickenhawks written by John Hawkins. It started off a little tense, naturally since we have opposing views, but when we go to the end there really was an exchange of ideas. We didn't agree totally with what the other said, but I know we wouldn't have a hard time discussing other issues.

I'd actually like to see Anne on TV or radio. Any doubt about her turning off the other person's mike, or calling the other person every name in the book?

ScaredofaMustach
"from the enemy"

Until you can figure out that starting off comments such as yours with things such as that, you really don't deserve a response. You simply think that anyone who disagrees with your OPINION are an enemy of you.

Sad.

I could be your next door neighbor, or your pastor and you would never know it.

Calling me a liar, hey if that floats your boat, have at it.

I learned to deal with bullies (verbal bullies included) in first grade.

habermassive: A little warning! :-)


"...this clown Murtha..."

Yesterday on Elder's thread I referred to Congress as "Rodeo Clowns." And then someone reminded me that I'd better apologize to the real "Rodeo Clowns" across the country.

Agreed! And I've been doing so since then.





Full of rage?
Is Anne not full of rage? I concider myself a center-right Republican, but thank God not a right-wing wacko. She should get her facts straight before pouncing.

re: Murtha
re: Murtha. His military record is history, what is important now is what he has done recently. He has opened his mouth on the record on numerous occasions and exposed a character that is very disturbing to many of us.

He has taken money from the U.S. treasury and given it to his constituents via earmarks. That many others in Congress have done the same thing does not excuse him for doing it.

My view on that is best expressed by this article on Davey Crockett:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/ellis1.html

Due to the length restrictions now in effect, I've started my own blog. I'll duplicate this there and expand on it. Click on my name if you want to read more.

Rickey Braddam

I see HalD is at it again
eulogizing his favorite hero, Mr, "I need a bigger bribe" Murtha. Yes he was a "real" conservative before Iraq. That's why he has a life time conservative rating of 33. I guess the evil Repubs made him vote for all those liberal issues so he could have such a low rating.

I know, it's Bush's fault. No, it's global warming's fault.

Bribes? Murtha?
Folks, they are ALL taking bribes. Both parties. Republicans and Democrats. We are paying $3000 per year toward the cost of the privatized political system. That paid in government subsidies and public policy that rips off the taxpayers. Only full public funding of campaigns will eliminate the corporate payola system.

Nonresponse, response
Don't tell someone that has no respect for you that you are not going to respond to a lack of respect.

The Doomsday Clock reads five minutes till midnight. Are the dogs barking keeping you awake?

dogjudge writes: Saturday, August, 11, 2007 1:19 PM
"You can keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool, or you can open it up and take away all doubt."

Were you relating a statement made by an other?

Were you barking to annoy your neighbors?

Were you barking because others were barking?

Were you barking to find out what time it is?

Were you barking to warn of a pending bite?



habermassive
and going beyond ABSCAM ... and while affecting the most anti-military stand possible; this clown Murtha is STILL using his position on the arms services committee to throw war profiteering business towards his relatives; nepotism gone wild and the same sort of thing that caused a REAL war hero like Duke Cunningham to be disgraced."

First, Duke and Murtha ARE real war heros that does not change no matter what they do. Duke screwed up, got caught, apoligised and is doing time. That in no way whatever reflects on his war record and to attack that record is simply wrong. Ollie North displayed heroism on the battlefield and had his felony conviction overturned on a technicality with the help of the ACLU. That in no way reflects on his battlefield record; Murtha was never convicted of a felony and that in no way reflects on his war record.

This attack and hate approach to politics is simply cowardice and wrong. You all should be ashamed. FYI, I say the same to lefties.

Vic
"That's why he has a life time conservative rating of 33. I guess the evil Repubs made him vote for all those liberal issues so he could have such a low rating."

I said he was conservative; he in no way was ever an extreme conservative. Few real Americans are...


Hey Vic: Am I full of rage?

Right! I didn't think so. :-) It's just that if you stand your ground when you know you're right, because you know your facts... the "visitors from never-never land" get upset.

Huh!

BTW, is "preposterous" a pejorative? I didn't think so.

Anne
If you are a libtard then everyone is "full of rage" LOL. and "preposterous" is too big of a word for someone who is posting from their mother's basement so they probably misunderstood you.

HalD
If he had a rating of 50 he would be a moderate Dem. A rating of 33 means that he is a socialist. Now if he sunk down to the level of your other hero, traitor Kerry, he would be a communist.

Vic: That's kind of what I thought!

I'm just amazed that there are some folks who are still caught up with this Plame thing.

I thought that was resolved a looooong time ago.

:-)


How much you want to be they go back to huff n' puff or koz and whine that Anne was mean to me! LOL






Question
I am not saying anything one way or the other with this question, but how is Murtha a hero?

Most of his service was in the reserves and the reserves are an important part of our military. I am not aware of anything that would denigrate his service so in essence he did what he was assigned to do, but that of itself does not make him a hero.

If I read his bio correctly, he had two periods of active duty that were in Vietnam and Korea. In these tours of duty, was he actually in combat or assigned to a combat unit as a staff officer or planner? Those positions are important also, but where is the duty that makes him a hero?

Clyde9

Clyde9
Draw your own conclusions.

This was copied from Wikipedia.

"In 1959, Murtha, then a captain, took command of the 34th Special Infantry Company, Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown. He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from active duty until he volunteered for service in the Vietnam War, serving from 1966 to 1967, serving as a battalion staff officer (S-2 Intelligence Section), receiving the Bronze Star with Valor device, two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry. He retired from the Reserves as a colonel in 1990, receiving the Navy Distinguished Service Medal."

Despite what others say, or think, I'll make my judgments on the two Purple Hearts. I don't know if I'd call him a "hero" because of those, I'd have to look into what that was all about. You get those for being wounded. Says a lot to me about the individual.

As I said, draw your own conclusions.


Vic: Geez, what IS it with these libs

and their Purple Hearts and military records???

Interesting article, I'd say...





War Hero ?

Maybe, maybe not. Who cares? Weren't Stalin and Hitler heros?

Crooked? Maybe, maybe not. If so, there is plenty of company in the big house.


Judge not Murtha, least you be judged...
accordingly.

Were Murtha's statements meant soley to damage the Commander in Chief politically? Were people he accused of murder later determined to be innocent or not prosecuted due to lack of reliable evidence? Did he make statements he knew not to be true or was he lied to by politically motivated people?

With out regards to the answer to any of these questions, he made statements reflecting a lack of faith in our armed forces. To undeserevedly lose respect is a shame. To lose it deserevedly
is a horror.

John Murtha ....
publicly labeled the "Haditha Marines as "cold-blooded murders and liars". he based his accusations on evidence from the Time magazine stories, which he failed to explain were based on statements by two known insurgent propagandists.


>"Lt. Col. Paul Ware who conducted the grand jury-like Article 32 hearings found that murder charges brought against Sharratt were based on unreliable witness accounts, insupportable forensic evidence and questionable legal theories. "The government version is unsupported by independent evidence," he wrote in his report to Mattis. "To believe the government version of facts is to disregard clear and convincing evidence to the contrary."< (www.newsmax.com 8-10-07)

As a Marine vet of Viet Nam , and having been born in PA., I've never considered John Murtha a hero. I think his actions of calling the Haditha Marines cold-blooded murderers and liars is a sorry piece of work and to claim this Democrat is a true-blue conservative is to clearly have a serious mis-understanding of the definition.

jlohman may consider himself "a center-right Republican" but I'd like to see his definition of that. Based on his comments on this topic, he appears to be drinking the same brand of Koolaid as Hal Donahue, who clearly fits the definition of a troll (one who posts outrageous and ridiculous remarks in order to create controversy).

BTW, Hal D., I don't consider myself an exterme conservative, but I must admit, based on lack of rationality of your comments, I suspect that you are a faithful poster to the Daily Kos.


One more comment on Murtha...
He fits an old Marine Corps expression - "He wouldn't make a pimple on a good Marine's a$$!"

Vic
"If he had a rating of 50 he would be a moderate Dem. A rating of 33 means that he is a socialist. Now if he sunk down to the level of your other hero, traitor Kerry, he would be a communist."

What was his rating five years ago?

Shurely_u_jest
Feel free to attack another Marine from what I have seen here they seem pretty good at doing that,

"jlohman may consider himself "a center-right Republican" but I'd like to see his definition of that. Based on his comments on this topic, he appears to be drinking the same brand of Koolaid as Hal Donahue, who clearly fits the definition of a troll (one who posts outrageous and ridiculous remarks in order to create controversy)."

It is over and you are done. What part of incompetant do you not understand? Your mask is off all this indignation and name calling do little to refute what your ilk have done to the country. Wait for 08 and watch. I do love coming here as often as I can not to create fantasy but to waive the reality flag in your faces.

And I still do not understand how He was Bush and Rove's go to guy in Congress with nary a peep from you followers but he has an independent deeply held thought and you attack him with everything you can drag up or make up. That is the real question and that is why as much as you chant your attacks Americans no longer agree with you....

HalD
The site doesn't go back that far. They give this year, last year, and lifetime.

Hal Donohue
Hal, Hal, Hal your drinking too much of your own KoolAid.

Murtha
Murtha shows all that needs to be known about him in the Abscam tapes. As an 'Unindicted co-conspirator' he was just a little too slimey for the Feds to get their cuffs on him.

Hal, here's anidea .....
IF, by some strange quirk of fate, a Republican is elected president next time a round OR if the balance of power in either house of congress changes, would you consider moving to Canada?

DEEPLY HELD THOUGHT - he claimed that Marines were cold-blooded murderers and liars based on
"unreliable witness accounts, insupportable forensic evidence and questionable legal theories"

Are you suggesting that most Americans agree with Murtha that those Marines are cold-blooded murderers and liars?

Yes indeedy, I'm impressed or should I say underwelmed by your lack of vocabulary - "to waive the reality flag...", i.e.,def. of
waive = To give up (a claim or right) voluntarily; relinquish.

I'm afraid you are a figment of your own fantasy - it must be really confusing to look into a mirror for you so many different images all at the same time.

I understand that you are too incompetant to make a rational statement but you do babble rather well.

Sonny boy let me share an attitude with you. Ask any Marine and he or she will tell you that if you haven't been a Marine yourself, than anything you have to say about Marines or the Corps is pure bullsh*t. The only one who can legitimately critisize has to be another Marine. Now that's not just my attitude, ask any Marine who will lower him or herself enough to talk to you in public.

folks
He was convicted of nothing. Yet you "convict" while giving Ollie and Delay and hell Rush free passes. Why is that? Think about it. Kool aid? LMAO

Shurely_u_jest
"Are you suggesting that most Americans agree with Murtha that those Marines are cold-blooded murderers and liars?"

Murtha does not agree that most marines are murderers you idiot. He believes they have been abused and stretched too far.

You sanctimonious little twit! That is BS and you know it. Plenty of marines speak to me. You mistake the marines like you, who apparently forgot honor, with "real" marines. I have stood shoulder to shoulder with them and most know it after two seconds.

"..three of the Marines Murtha prejudged

to be guilty of cold-blooded murder have been CLEARED of ALL charges, John "Abscum" Murtha ought to answer for what he has been saying about them."

Absolutely! And someone in the House should, from the House floor, at the very least, call for a public apology from John "Abscum" Murtha...

To prejudge anyone of any alleged crime is reprehensible... and worse for a Marine to prejudge another Marine... and even worse as a Congressman.

And, as I understand it, "Once a Marine, always a Marine" except of course, in John "Abscum" Murtha's case.

Not only is John "Abscum" Murtha an embarrassment to our US Marines, he's also an embarrassment to our Congress and the Commonwealth of PA!




Oooh! Donohue is getting a little cranky
.

King pins
Murtha does his share building the military industrial complex. Does he blame anything on that? No, just "let go my earmark...or you'll pay."

Anne
"And, as I understand it, "Once a Marine, always a Marine" except of course, in John "Abscum" Murtha's case. "

Nope not how it works and that is probably why Shurely_u_jest is probably a shoe clerk (nothing wrong with that) who watchs too many war movies

Geez, Duck, that was intelligent!

Sounds like you over dosed on Stupid Juice!



Duck
"You good folks in Pennsylvania are infamous for voting your non functional dimocrats into office.You just can't seem to do anything right. Why don't you guys take your state, Jack Off Murtha, et al and secede from the union?"

No way we are the keystone state and hey were would the military be without us. The only recent BIG election mistake we made was Santorum but he was thrown out by over 18% margin.

Anne
Is a little cranky too LOL

Anne
Seriously, I must run but have agreat evening and be well!

Donahue: Nope! Not me! :-)
Who went off on Shurely_u_jest? Wasn't me!!

Oh wait, it was YOU! LOL

And, we all figured you were the shoe clerk who watched too many war movies. You do sound like you fit that profile... Yup! You and roberto!



MURTHA SCHMURTHA
I have only one thing to say about Murtha: he makes me sick.

Actually, there are other, more civil ways to put him down where he belongs, but this is short and to the point. The guy is sickening. I believe he must be getting a little touched. Or, as I would have said in the south, "tetched."

He looks like a stroke in a windbag. He'd better go lie down -- say, for about six years. Why does he need the grief he's causing himself and others?

Well Hal, I paid my dues.
Volunteered for two tours in the Nam . On my second tour I left a lung and my left foot just above the ankle behind. Since I volunteered, so I have no beef.

In case you didn't get it, Murtha called those "Haditha" Marines "cold-blooded murderers and liars" on CNN.
Not all Marines, but certainly those three.
Are you too stupid to get that?

My mos was 0300. What was yours, butthead?

How about you? Ever do ANYTHING but run your mouth?



Shurely_u_jest: Um, actually HalD

doesn't do much but run his mouth... and when he's not running his mouth here on TH, he writes an occasional something or other for Huff n' Puff.

We mostly pretty much ignore him... but every once in a while he posts something so stupid that one or two posters just HAVE to smack him.

Problem is, he doesn't get it!

And, I for one say Thank You! There were, and are, many of us who are grateful. Thank you!



Frigglesnitz: Funny you mention that!

I have wondered now and then if Murtha isn't all there.

He's way beyond angry... There is something just not right about him.... in my opinion.


So answer me this
Why didn't the CIA put Novak's story in the can? He gave them the opportunity to do so. Why did the judge throw out Plame's lawsuit?

Reality is they wanted to play with the big boy's and got burned. Caaught with their hand in the cronyism cookie jar and the flavor of cookies was agenda.

Hal Donohue
Load of dung about Pennsylvania and the military. california has forked over more troops and lives with Texas running a close second then NJ.

talent scout
Sorry you lost me on GW rant.

Lolo: Excellent!

"Why didn't the CIA put Novak's story in the can? He gave them the opportunity to do so."

Maybe because she was one of thousands who work for the CIA at Langley and everybody knew it???

And, part B, she was a desk jockey...not covert?

Bet I got that right! :-)

"Why did the judge throw out Plame's lawsuit?"

Because her case had no merit?


jlohman and dogjudge are totally out of touch!





Hey Lolo: Do I get a prize? Like a trip
to the Caribbean or something??? :-)




Abscam
The reason we have pork and bribes is that the Supremes fail to use the Constitution to protect us from grasping voters and receptive politicians. We now have degenerated from a constitutional republic into a democracy. Our founders rejected democracy because that form of government allows me to cram anything I choose down your throat if I can only get that 50.01%. http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

I'm sorry!
Anne writes: Saturday, August, 11, 2007 10:46 PM
Shurely_u_jest: Um, actually HalD

"We mostly pretty much ignore him..."

I read Hal, I don't ignore him. At times I can't think of a reply to the wing nuts, but I never ignore them.

I'm sorry if I am not part of the ignore the "Evilintheworld" crowd.

Anne
Yes you win the prize!

Coincidence?
I never heard Republicans complain about Murtha until he stood against the Iraq war. Could there be some connection here?

funkyp
And he is a traitor how? This coming from the lunatic left that wants to let John Walker Lindh out of prison.

lilly
Not our fault you don't pay attention.

funkyp
LMAO! Your delirious. CIA initiated an investigation because the Dems hooted and hollered. That's why. Anything to bash Bush and waste tax dollars. Just like they are doing now.

Get Cheney, Get Rove, Get bush yeah yeah that's the ticket! Persecute then prosecute! They do this all the while slobbering at the mouth and covering up their exgesis'.

funkyp
Let me guess. In your mind's eye fire doesn't melt steel, Osama loves us, and Bush brought down the towers.

You need medication.

Blame the MSM
lilly writes: Sunday, August, 12, 2007 12:01 AM
Coincidence?
"I never heard Republicans complain about Murtha until he stood against the Iraq war. Could there be some connection here?"

I never heard Murtha stand against the war, i heard him call our troops murderers, I heard him babble like an incoherent fool, I heard him speak against the Commander in Chief, I heard him say we should redeploy. I never heard him say we should end the war. Please give a link to a statement against the war on terrorism.

funkyp
He didn't lie. Ashcroft recused himself because he knows all the players involved. Read his book. Plame couldn't prove it because it never took place.

funkyp
As to lindh that is the left's new movement. Try and keep up.

What is really funny
about this is the left has no problem with Fitzgerald and Russert being very close friends. unless of course if it was a Dem being prosecuted.

funkyp
I did. Apparently you can't read. I refuted many of them before you ever even asked them. Fact? What facts have you presented? The answer is none. You are not even remotely objective. You would rather send an innocent man to prison and ruin his life all because you hate all things Bush. Boy that takes losing an election or elections to new sore loserness. there is a diagnosis for you though. It is called bush Derangement Syndrome. life is just a little too scary for people like you right now. So rather than except it you blame. I guess for people like you that is much easier.

funkyp
No he got faulted for a faulty memory. You read my previous posts and your answers are there. And oh hypocrit you complain about me being mean and you call me a troll?! LOL! Your hilarious!

Leftist blowhards like "funky p"
It is laughable when a Leftist calls somebody a liar. That is just about all they can do. Joe Wilson LIED about being sent to Niger by Dick Cheney and LIED about George Bush being a liar. The Left is obsessed with their hatred for George Bush and their contempt for ordinary Americans. Whenever you hear a Leftist call anybody a racist, it is almost always projection. When you hear a Leftist call somebody a liar, it is almost always projection. Marxism/Leftism is based on lies and hatred, so what do you expect?

jlohman
Your harping on Valerie Plame Wilson is really lame. Whether Mr. Novak's reporting is "responsible" (defined as touting the Dhimmicrap party line), or not, he has the same First Amendment rights as you to post your inane comments.

Lolo: Even Plame's own attorneys said
that the her lawsuit would be an UPHILL BATTLE.

She's probably lucky that it did get dismissed as no doubt she'd had been humiliated even more if her case had gone to trial and more dirty laundry was aired.

She should be grateful. :-)





Two points
When is murtha going to apologize to the Haditha marines? The marines that he speared in the press before all the facts came out. That alone makes him kerryish.
Why didn't the left go after armitage? Isn't he the one who outed plame, the Washington socialite?

Just asking.

blustrmom/grndmomx2: Exactly right!

I am hoping that someone will call for John "Abscum" Murtha to apologize from the House floor.

And then a nice little censure would be in order!

As a matter of fact, I think we all should be emailing our Republican (and maybe even dumbo Representative?) and ask them to do just that!

And, Plame was never outed in the first place, so that's really a none issue...




Sorry: Should be "non-issue"
.

Purple Hearts
"The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on May 12, 2002, reported that "Marine Corps casualty records show that Murtha was injured in 'hostile' actions near Danang, Vietnam, on March 22, 1967, and May 7, 1967.

"In the first incident, his right cheek was lacerated, and in the second, he was lacerated above his left eye. Neither injury required evacuation," the Post-Gazette reported."

Based on that, Murtha did qualify for those Purple Hearts and those medals are legitimate.

To the best of my knowledge, eligibility for the Purple Heart never included the severity of the wound or injury and in this case whether or not he was evacuated is irrelevent.

In my opinion, this also means that a Purple Heart is questionable as determining whether the recipient is really a hero, because unless there is direct knowledge of the incident there is not way of telling how severe an injury/wound actually was.

There are many Purple Heart recipients who are legitimately heros, but there are also others who are not. Murtha -- ??????

Clyde9

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