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Saturday, July 08, 2006
Robert Novak :: Townhall.com Columnist
Rudy for president?
by Robert Novak
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WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Well-connected public figures report that they have been told recently by Rudolph Giuliani that, as of now, he intends to run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008.

The former mayor of New York was on top of last month's national Gallup poll measuring presidential preferences by registered Republicans, with 29 percent. Sen. John McCain's 24 percent was second, with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich third at 8 percent. National polls all year have shown Giuliani running either first or second to McCain, with the rest of the presidential possibilities far behind.

Republican insiders respond to these numbers by saying rank-and-file GOP voters will abandon Giuliani once they realize his position on abortion, gay rights and gun control. Party strategists calculate that if he actually runs, he must change on at least one of these issues.

DEMOCRAT LIEBERMAN

Supporters of Sen. Joseph Lieberman promise he will continue as a member of the Senate Democratic caucus even if he loses the Democratic primary in Connecticut Aug. 8 and is elected as an independent.

Lieberman's decision announced last week to seek petitions to give him an independent ballot position probably helped businessman Ned Lamont's antiwar Democratic primary campaign. Although Lieberman's support of President Bush on the Iraq war is not popular in Connecticut, he would be heavily favored in a three-way race against Lamont and Republican former state Rep. Alan Schlesinger.

Lieberman's Republican Senate colleagues privately despair of the GOP picking up the Connecticut seat. But they hope Lieberman, if elected as an independent, would be more inclined to vote with Republicans than he is now, even if he still caucuses with the Democrats.

WOOING HISPANICS

Presidential adviser Karl Rove and Sen. Sam Brownback, two conservative Republicans who favor a guest-worker program for immigrants, will address the left-wing Hispanic advocacy group La Raza in Los Angeles this week.

La Raza was active in increasing participation in nationwide work stoppages and demonstrations April 10 after the House passed a tough border enforcement bill. La Raza in Spanish means "The Race."

Former President Bill Clinton heads the list of speakers for the annual meeting of La Raza's national council. The Rev. Jesse Jackson will appear on a panel.

TRIAL LAWYER POLITICS

Although it attracted no news media attention, a subcommittee hearing of the normally bipartisan House Financial Services Committee erupted in partisan furor June 28 when Republican Rep. Richard Baker of Louisiana proposed controls on lawyers engaged in securities litigation.

Baker's subcommittee focused on the recent federal indictment of the Milberg Weiss Bershad & Schulman law firm in connection with class-action lawsuits. The firm in recent years has contributed $2.78 million to Democratic candidates and $22,000 to Republicans.

The Financial Services Committee's top two Democrats -- Barney Frank of Massachusetts and Paul Kanjorski of Pennsylvania -- vigorously objected to a federal judge testifying about current defendants in a federal prosecution. Vaughn R. Walker, chief district judge for Northern California, gave the subcommittee his views on the indictments and Baker's legislation.

NO DIRTY TRICKS

Independent, pro-labor candidate Bill Scheurer remained on the ballot after last Monday's deadline without challenge in the Chicago suburban congressional district where freshman Democratic Rep. Melissa Bean is a priority Republican target for 2006.

It had been widely expected that state House Speaker Mike Madigan, the Illinois Democratic chairman, would challenge Scheurer collection of the necessary 14,000 petition signatures for ballot access. Scheurer had filed a lawsuit alleging dirty tricks by Madigan and other Democratic leaders.

Bean was the most spectacular Democratic winner in the 2004 elections with a victory over Phil Crane, the senior Republican member of the House. She had considerable labor support in that campaign, but she lost Teamsters and state AFL-CIO backing after reneging on her campaign commitment to oppose the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA). Labor votes switching over to Scheurer would benefit the Republican candidate, investment banker David McSweeney.

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Giuliani is a RINO
Plain and simple. He may look conservative to New Yorkers, but they're New Yorkers.

If he's elected, kiss your guns goodbye (or find a good place to bury them). He's about as anti-Second amendment as it gets.

He's nothing but a bald McCain.

Ethically fragile
Great crisis manager and speaker, and I am sure he would be an excellent choice for head of FEMA or something. But I am not about to trust my country to a man who has repeatedly and arrogantly showed an ability to break the most solemn promise an adult makes in his life. He broke his two marital oaths because someone 'hotter' came along. Will he break his presidential oath if there is enough temptation of one kind or another? I don't want to put an ethically fragile man to that test.

Rudy is ...
Good politician, resolute leader, tough in crisis, and has star power, but he is no conservative. Just like McCain, we have to avoid this guy.

zzzzzzzzzzzz

I registered for the Republican Party
I didn't register for the "Conservative Party". The truth is that in this country, neither party can win a national election by playing to its base. The reason becomes clear when you look at the registration numbers of the parties. The Democrats have a couple of points advantage over the Republicans and registration percentages for both parties are in the 30's. This means that Republicans account for some 33% or so of the voters. In order to win, a party needs to present a candidate that can get at least half the Independent votes and a good number of crossover votes from the other party.

I would vote for Rudy.

Rudy Valle,maybe.
All he has right now is name recognition outside New York.Abortion advocate in the Republican party? Gun control in the Republican party? Support for Mario Coumo against George Pataki for governor? He will never survive the primaries in the Republican party.Democratic primaries,yes. Republican primaries,no.

BrianR is correct, Giuliani is a RINO
The "moderates" can whine all they want, but the conservative base will not turn out for Giuliani or McCain for that matter. I like the observation that "He's nothing but a bald McCain". The conservative will resent both Giuliani and McCain because they are the darlings of the liberal MSM.

I don't want either of them.
McCain is too wishy washy and Giuliani is too liberal on social issues.

Of the two, however, Giuliani is clearly the best choice.

It won't ever come down to the two of them, though.

Rudy
Crosspatch makes a great point. I'm, frankly, sick and tired of listening to both polarized sides of the Republicans and the Democrats. All you hear/read anymore is the "gotcha" mentality, yelling on television programs, slanderous statements, loss of decorum and dignity, I'm sick of it.

I'm sure there has to be others out there that agree. If someone like Rudy decides to run and he's intelligent about the issues, people will vote for him. This polarization of parties is way out of hand and most especially the Rep. Right needs to stop with all the religion/god talk, it's turning people off from the party; the Left Dems need to get their act together regarding the war and immigration or they're going to lose out, as well.

Republica Candidate for President
Id take Guliani in a heartbeat. i have been a conservative republican for 20 years

Mc Cain is a whimp... gulliani is not

better yet... has anyone seen tony snow at his press conferences

he looks presidential.. he is bright articulate and has presence

Guilani
I will not vote for a nominee from either party who only represents their base. I don't agree with either faction, far right or far left. I personally am sick of both parties and the polarization.

I know Guiliani's politics and I would vote for him in a heartbeat.

Interesting posts
Nam: you're right on the money.

Trashman and Crosspatch: You may not like the fact that the Rep party is the "conservative party" -- and nowdays that's a pretty questionable assertion anyway -- but the people who vote in the primaries are the base of the party, and that's still pretty conservative (thank God). And BTW, I don't agree with McCain on almost anything, but I will say, a wimp he's not. How many years did Giuliani spend in a POW camp? Oh, yeah... none! (I can't believe I find myself defending McCain)

But more importantly, the single most important issue to me: I vote my guns. Without the Second amendment, nothing else matters, because that's the ONLY amendment that keeps the ultimate power in the hands of the people. Both of them suck on that issue.

Even Billy Drop Trou acknowledged that it was the gun owners who cost him the mid-term elections where he lost both houses; and don't forget the ridicule Kerry and Edwards both earned in their "hunting" photo ops during the 2004 campaign.

Guiliani-Bush 2008
Rudy and Jeb are the ticket for victory in 2008. I'll guarantee Rudy would have vetoed some of the terrible spending bills sent up from Congress over the last 6 years, unlike our present Top Executive. He's tough and fearless and doesn't care if people don't like him. We need that in a President now. The Congress does whatever they want, spending like drunken sailors. We need a President not afraid to say "No"! Jeb Bush as VP sets the party up for a 16 year run. Both fellows are born leaders that are excellant administrators with conservative economical instincts and libertarian social impulses. What a treat would it be to see Rudy squash Hillary in the Presidential Debates!

Rudy is our next President
Rudy will win in New Hampshire and roll on to the nomination, will pick a conservative running mate (George Allen of Virginia) and will easily win the presidency, defeating Hillary Clinton.

Giuliani wins because he wins his home state of New York. He could lose almost every gun-nut western state (but won't against Hillary) and still win the White House because of NY's 31 electoral votes.

McCain can't win New York, and could still lose a couple of key western states (and Missouri), thus losing the White House to the Dems. McCain is the GOP's worst nightmare - Rudy is not better on the issues, but at least he can win where it counts.

Rudy For President!!!
Rudy is much more conservative than John McCain.
Rudy turned NY which in the 1970's was known in movies as a hell hole see as Mean Streets & Taxi Driver among others into the trly great city it is today!!!
Rememver the Headlines " Ford To NY ,Drop Dead"when the city was on the verge of bankruptcy.
Like America before Reagan ,mayor of NY City before Guiliani was a job too big for one Man !!!
Rudy has succeeded in every job he's ever had!!

To KS Reaganite
Did Ronald Reagan's divorce of Jane Wyman make him untrustworthy to take the oath of Office?

Rudy is no RINO
I'm sorry but if we were writing posts about Lincoln Chaffee or Christopher Shays, than I wouls definately use the RINO term. As a matter of fact, I'd use the RINO term on George W. Bush and the rest of the Great Society Republican lead Congress, before I used it on Giuliani. They are a batch of fiscally irresponsible stooges who have sold out their stance on small government in order to try to mess with the Consitituion to please a bunch of hardliners on the Christian right.

Giuliani's time as mayor of New York, saw a man who combatted New York's liberals and came out with something to show for it at the end of the day. He managed successfully through a high crime rate, a huge deficit, poverty, not to mention the greatest terrorist attack on our soil ever. I haven't seen a better example of conservative governance on a local scale.

So feel free my friends. Vote for one of your "conservative" beltway boys. I'm sure if Giuliani is nominated, some lunitic Perot type will run in a third party, and you can all sell out the Republicans again, and hand the White House to Hillary Clinton in '08.

To the Rudy supporters
Dream on. He'll never get the nomination. The primaries are the one aspect of presidential politics where we here in California can actually have an impact, and we're a pretty huge one. California Repubs will never go for a northeast, effete, intellectual, gun-stealing snob.

If you think I'm misreading the situation, for your consideration: every time a proposition hits the ballot that would limit gun rights (a la Prop 15) it goes down in FLAMES. Gun owners in this state are very organized and vocal; we have to be. We're always fighting tooth and nail for our rights.

Rudy can't get the primary nod from Californians, and that kills him in the primary.

Rudy is a load
Rudy is a big fraud. He's all about nepotism, patronage, back-door deals and most of all, shameless self-promotion. He forged himself a nice big halo from that WTC steel and sported it around at baseball games and TV appearances while rescue workers were still sifting through rubble to find bits of people who died. He's nothing more than another crook and he's no more qualified to be President than W is.

RUDY
I would vote for Rudy over McCain.

why is Robert Novak so anti Israel?????

To the moderates:
Everytime ya'll cry: "stop namecalling, I hate the partisanship, let's all just get along, you're mean....etc." you show that you have no stones with which to fight. Get out of the way and let the the ones with spines duke it out.

I don't see Republicans across the nation voting for a gun-hating, pro-gay, pro-abortion pol coming out of New York.

President Reagan was no adulterer either.

Rudy is implicated in the crimes of 911
Running for President? Please. Despite the US media blackout, the world is quickly finding out that 911 was an inside job.

You can understand the "why", by googling document: "Rebuilding America's Defenses" where, in 2000, the men, now in power, cited the need for a "New Pearl Harbor" to stir the nation to action.

Rudy is highly implicated by the available evidence of the 911 even,t itself. Millions of people are seeing this evidence. He will be lucky to escape prosecution once the chips all land.

To understand the "what", google video: "Everybodies gotta learn sometime"

When will the US media stop lying? They know and they are betraying all of us. Does the first amendment protect that?

Rudy is implicated in the crimes of 911
Running for President? Please. Despite the US media blackout, the world is quickly finding out that 911 was an inside job.

You can understand the "why", by googling document: "Rebuilding America's Defenses" where, in 2000, the men, now in power, cited the need for a "New Pearl Harbor" to stir the nation to action.

Rudy is highly implicated by the available evidence of the 911 even,t itself. Millions of people are seeing this evidence. He will be lucky to escape prosecution once the chips all land.

To understand the "what", google video: "Everybodies gotta learn sometime"

When will the US media stop lying? They know and they are betraying all of us. Does the first amendment protect that?

JB,get a life!
And while you are at it go on back to the Daily Kos.You would sound normal there.

Go troll somewhere else, JB
Nobody with a half-ounce of sense thinks 9/11 was an "inside job." Plus you are quoting the document you cite completely out of context. Here is the full passage:

"...the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catelizing event - like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions."

And a side-bar to you paranoid Freepers - Rudy is not going to "take your guns away." He is a true statesman; one of the few we have left. If he runs, he wins, period.

Rudy for president?
Rudy should pull a Lieberman and declare that if he doesn't win the Republican primary he will run as an independent, but join the Republican caucus if he is elected. The only thing standing in his way is that he wont pander to the religious right like McCain. They need to be sent a message that they don't get a veto on Republican candidates. Rudy could get a plurality of votes in the general election, and possibly a majority, particularly if Hillary in the candidate in the Democratic Party and a religious wacko is a candidate in the Republican Party. I believe the public is fed up with the Falwells and Dobsons running the Republican Party.

Richie got confused
Jane Wyman and Ronald Reagan had a messy divorce but never was adultery the issue. On the other hand, we have all heard and seen how Rudy betrayed the trust of Donna Hanover, the mother of his children. If he can treat his own wife and children's mother that way, I don't want to see how he will treat my Lady Liberty if the temptations are too high. Sorry, but I have risked life and limb for this country and will not take that chance. But rest assured, I'd have no problem when President Brownback appoints him as FEMA director or head of some blue ribbon commission studying big city crime.

Rudy does not support the non-negotiable
Therre are certain non-negotiable issues for many within both the Republican Party and the country in general. These include ending abortion, protecting marriage, etc.

These issues are technically neither conservative nor liberal, for a person who respects the dignity of the human person and the plavce of marriage as the foundation of civilized society may have divergent views on the role of government and still desire that government respect the right to life.

Having said that, we all know taht Rudy is not pro-life. further, he is not willing to stand up and defend the unique role and purpose of marriage. His own perosnal life has been a disaster. Yes, he cleaned up New York. Yes, he did well following the 9/11 attack.

But simply because he responded well to 9/11 does not make him a good candidate for president. Do we really want another person who moral values are questionable?

People in the media, professional pundits included, are unwilling to acknowledge that being pro-life is the winning position. It also is the right position. Anyone who thinks killing babies is permissible will never get my vote. The majority of the people in this country think that killing babies in the womb is wrong. And these people vote.

Re: Rudy does not support the non-negoti
Giuliani's personal life is a mess he is gong to have to deal with himself, much the way Clinton had to. Personally, I think his leadership is what is best for the country. I don't expect nor do I want someone who is going to sell out small government and states rights and move to federally ban abortion and gay marriage. There is nothing conservative about that.

Rudy "Hero of 9/11" I Think Not
I retired from the FDNY after 37 years. Rudy "ran" from the towers that morning. The senior officer left standing was a chief named Dan Nigro. Rudy ran and took his admin. with him. Nigro couldn't ask for heavy equipment, couldn't ask if another plane was coming in, couldn't ask the trade unions for help, etc.,etc.,etc. He couldn't, but Rudy could have. But Rudy wasn't there. He claimed that he was trapped in a adjoining building- yeah, he couldn't leave by the same door he came in by until a janitor let him and party out a back door. Then Rudy "ran" up Broadway to the camera's. He came back hours later, the only one wearing a dust mask. Rudy is a piece of crap, what he is not is a hero.



Will: "Freeper"? What the heck's...
... a "Freeper"?

As to your assertion that Giuliani isn't anti-gun:

"Giuliani blames weak gun laws for shooting"
US News/Cnn, 24 Feb 1997

"Mayor Giuliani, when he was mayor of New York, basically said I'm not a Reagan Republican anymore, I'm a moderate Republican; I'm pro-choice, I'm for the Brady Bill, I'm for the assault weapons ban"
CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/04/06/national/main181115.shtml)

"MAYOR GIULIANI SIGNS "TRIGGER LOCK" BILL THAT MAKES UNLAWFUL THE SALE OF GUNS WITHOUT A SAFETY LOCK DEVICE" ... "Carelessness and negligence in the use and storage of a weapon are unacceptable and precautions must be taken to prevent such tragedies. Again, Introductory Number 69-A is only one step in this direction"
Archives of the Mayor's Press Office, 18 May 1998

"But the contrast is not as sharp in Mrs. Clinton's expected contest with Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani. The mayor and the first lady hold almost identical views on gun control, which could complicate any effort by Mrs. Clinton to draw a contrast.

Mr. Giuliani's campaign manager, Bruce J. Teitelbaum, said, "As a senator, New Yorkers will know exactly what Mayor Giuliani will do because he doesn't just talk about gun control, he actually has a record of taking an historic number of guns off the streets."
NY Times on the Web, 10 May 2000

And there's much more, all available on the web.

Giuliani's a gun-grabber, and proud of it.







A Liberal is a Liberal!
No matter how you try and put a new face on them! I.E. the chameleon Hillary. It is our job as conservatives to get anyone who even thinks like a liberal, Out of office! Not elect them! At the stage this nation is in, the worst thing we could do is elect someone to the highest office in government who has Liberal tendencies or are sympathetic to the Liberal cause! It is the Liberals who are our internal enemies and must be defeated!

Rudy might be a lot of things, but if he thinks and acts in even the slightest ways of a Liberal. I'm against him.

Rudy
Rudy is Reaganaut. He's no more a RINO than our current spendthrift leadership. In Washington, we need a fiscally conservative president who isn't afraid to make Congress toe the line. Rudy's court picks will be a solids W's.

Immigration
My vote will go to the candidate with the best ideas concerning Immigration, so long as they are not out to lunch in general! I am tired of the Illegals running around in our country and it's time to act now! All the candidates, so far, have been weak on immigration due to peceived racism by the hispanic population. So be it! If no one is going to crack down on this problem then no one is going to get my support! I would like a candidate that isn't controlled by the religious right, but I doubt that my hopes would be realized, unless the Supreme Court ruled on things that stirred the population to a frenzy. Somehow we need to take back the GOP from the Christian fanatics that want our country to be a theocracy! It would take years though, to severe ties with the likes of Dobson, Robertson, Falwell etc, except that they are all old now and will die soon! lol That being said, there will be new Christian leaders that will pollute the political process, and we must feed the Christians to the lions for the sake of the nation!

To PatrickTexas: Reaganaut?
He'll appoint conservative justices? Really? Like Mario Cuomo (whom he endorsed)? That's your idea of conservative?

Man, you've got a lot to learn if you want to think of yourself as a conservative.


Dream ticket 2008.
Personally I'd prefer a Romney/Giuliani ticket.
If Romney could be elected governor of Massachusetts, while being conservative, he could win anything. Personally I find Giuliani to be too liberal for my taste -- slighly better than Schwarzenegger but not enough to appease conservatives. My prediction is that a Romney/Giuliani ticket could at worse case scenerio
take strong minorities in California, New York, and Massachusetts. They might even be able to carry these three states, who knows... However McCain would be suicide. If the Democrats had a flash of sense they could possible send Warner as the nominee sealing McCain's loss.

Rudy will run
I think the analysis that says Giuliani's support will drop once his views on various social issues are known is exaggerated. I think those views are widely known and understood. Just read some of the posts on this site. Despite this, he polls very strongly in all regions of the country. Why? Well, he's campaigned tirelessly for Republican candidates all over the country, and he has not publicly criticized our side to curry favor with the drive by media. I suspect this, combined with his 9-1-1 leadership and overall strong management of New York City has bought him a lot of good will with voters who may differ with him on the social issues where his own views are more liberal.

Ken

Adore Giuliani
He has my vote. He turned a multi billion dollar debt into a multi billion dollar surplus, while cutting taxes. He decreased crime. Murder went down 65 percent, overall crime 57 percent, etc..etc. BTW I live here in CA and I think Schwarzenegger has done a wonderful job. If you think the other side's concerns don't matter...For years we sat around screaming because Democrats didn't bother to address our concerns at all. Their solution to everything was raise taxes. Not one viable solution to the actual problems in this country. Just touting what everyone else was/is doing wrong. Both these men while holding to their own idea's have also tried to address the other side's concerns, as well. To me this makes them great politicians. They're both able to stand back and look at the bigger picture. They compromise on smaller issues and hold to their conservative thoughts and idea's on the larger ones. I also think Larry Elder should run for office here in CA. I think he's just what we need here in CA to be the voice of honesty and sanity. ;-)

Giuliani and Romney are northeast Rinos
Both of these guys are liberals socially. Both of these guys are pro-death/pro-abortion while working to take guns away from law abiding citizens. It seems that Town Hall is interested in promoting liberal Republicans for president in 2008. I want to read more about George Allen than the Giuliani, Romney and McCain losers.

Better take another look
Face it Republicans. Unless you nominate a moderate in 2008 (who also happens to be a whipsmart administrator like Giuliani) you are going to lose the presidency in 2008. Unless you distance yourselves from G.W. Bush and the religious right (who can't seem to understand the difference between morality and constipation)you are going to elect Hillary Clinton in 2008. Please keep in mind that the only thing that prevented a Demoncratic victory in both 2000 and 2004 was a radical named RALPH NADER! You need a candidate who will bring Centrist Democrats on board. You need a Republican who is true to the traditional platform of fiscal responsibility and limited federal governance. Get over yourselves Conservatives. The world has moved on. The idea is to win!!

How Giuliani Can Win
First, George W Bush must nominate and get confirmed 2 more Supreme Court justices. He has done well so far, but until the SC is securely conservative, no one who is pro-abortion or even wishy-washy on abortion has a chance at the nomination.

Once the Court is at least 6-3 conservative, then who the next president might name to the Court won't be quite so important.

Then Giuliani must be able to address the NRA directly, explain his views on the Second Amendment, and make it clear that he's not interested in limiting our constitutional rights.

My main objection to Giuliani is, if he really has these tremendous administrative skills, why didn't he make himself available to fill key positions in the Bush cabinet? Or, why didn't he run for the Senate against Hillary? Or, why isn't he running for governor?

Giuliani did great as mayor of NYC, before and after 9/11. He made the great speech at the 2004 convention. He has shown he can run a major government organization. But so has Romney. And Giuliani has baggage... and has not be vetted in an election since the problems with his personal life became known.

In the past, mayors of NYC have become presidents of the US. But -- and I think I'm right about this -- not in one step.

Well, I gotta tell you
If Giuliani, McCain, or anyone like them somehow manages to get the Rep nomination, they'll have to eke out a victory without my help. I'll be fishing with Nam65-66.

For those of you "moderates" who say the only way for the Rep party to win is to put up a RINO, I say to you that you're all wet. The Rep candidate with the largest margins of victory was Reagan, and he stood unapologetically for strong conservative values.

The reason the last era of presidential races has been so close is that there's hardly a dime's worth of difference between the candidates. There's been NO Reagan Republican running since Ron himself. Nothing but a bunch of "moderate", "compassionate conservative", or whatever else they want to call themselves. Bottom line, they're Rockefeller Republicans, the "Country Clubbers" of the Republican party.
These guys are about as exciting wet paint.

The American electorate is primed to respond to a candidate who can step forward and boldly articulate strong American values, and who has the guts to risk loss to promote his vision clearly, strongly, and unequivocably. Someone in step with the values, morals, and character of the average middle class American.

Does any of what I just wrote sound at all RUDY GIULIANI?????

Rudy? no way
not rudy not mccain
i say condelezza rice for president.....i see no one else truly in the mix.....the rest are wanna bes

Giuliani shouldn't bother; Newt 2008!
Giuliani is not what the Republican party or the country needs. This is the same Rudy who supported MARIO CUOMO over Pataki back in 1994 for NY Governor! That is the sign of a completely unprincipled, self-serving politician. He also supports GAY RIGHTS!

McCain as a "Republican Nominee" is a joke. This guy is basically a less-cowardly version of John Kerry. How will the "Straight Talk Express" explain why voted against the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts?

The Republican party needs an 'ideas guy'. We need someone that can articulate his message, win a debate, and handle any interview. George W. Bush has great ideas, and he was successful in his first term. However, his approval rating has not received any significant benefit from the thriving economy. He was unable to make any progress on his social security reform, which is a visionary proposal that is vital for the future of the country. This is because Bush has not put the work in to intellectually explain these issues.

This would not be a problem with Newt Gingrich. As the Minority Whip from Georgia, Newt brought the conservative agenda to the American people nationally in 1994 to take Congress. He presented the Contract with America, which ended 40 years of Democratic control. Tht was an amazing that may never be duplicated.

The ideal ticket would be Newt as Presidential candidate, and Tom Tancredo as the VP candidate. Both of these guys can explain the conservative position in an accessable, deep, and compelling way. Immigration is a key issue, especially with illegal aliens rioting in the streets for weeks. Tancredo is the authority on the conservative approach to this ongoing crisis.


Re: Giuliani shouldn't bother; Newt 2008
Rudy Giuliani had a really good working relationship with Mario Cuomo. Pataki himself, was able to forgive him this, so why can't you? If you want the GOP to be the party of close minded big government, you need to make it known because if Gay rights is such an offensive topic for someone in our party to endorse, than maybe I'm in the wrong party. I thought conservatives were for small government, not just big government when they are in charge of it.

theocracy ?????
The Socialist left controls the Democrats,Hollywood, Major Universities, Education, the AFL-CIO, Media, Most Law Schools, Most of the Culture in the major cities,etc and peolple like Shoptalk worries about a religious right theocracy !!!

"Gay Rights"
'Gay Rights' is not a discriptive enough term. Gays already have all rights that all Americans have. The issue is truly 'Gay Priviledges'. They want an expansion of the definition of marriage to include two men or two women. Then the slope gets slippery, and next thing you know, some guy wants to marry his dog.

Gays already run a large portion of TV content, including MTV, which is destroying the youth. Almost every day, there is a new station either programmed, written, or targeted towards homosexual culture. Whether you think it is wrong or not (I do), any kid that is influenced to be gay is a tragedy. There is no dispute that gays are subject to lifelong ridicule. Please don't embarrass yourself by saying that it is genetic. It is blatantly obvious to even an eight year old that gays cannot reproduce, so it is not carried in the DNA.


Gays have been eroding military morale since 1993 with the help of a former President who likes to put cigars into places they don't belong. "Don't ask, don't tell" doesn't address the fact that when a fellow soldier reveals that he plans to be a hairdresser, or a fashion designer, you won't want to shower near him or share a tent with him. If you were a soldier, would you risk your life if a suspected lightweight is the one that supposedly has your back?

Big Government has nothing to do with the gay issue. I oppose big government intervention, such as creating new laws to perpetuate the homosexualization of this culture. Gays should not be physically threatened, but that does not mean we should appove their unnatural acts.

I won't forgive Rudy for supporting Cuomo, and I think less of Pataki for forgiving him for his betrayal of the Republican Party. Newt produced the Contract with America in 1994, and Rudy sucked up to the liberal Governor in that same year. Rudy has no ideological convictions, like a Democrat, so he should just make continue to collect his speaking fees until the money dries up, and then go away.

Re: "Gay Rights"
"You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight."

-Barry Goldwater

Sorry Erik, that is what I subscribe to. I never said anything about big government programs for homosexuals or any special rules. The fact is, they are exploited now, more than ever. But I am not one to put people into groups. I judge people on an individual basis. There are those in the gay community who are staunch conservatives. You really want to shut the door on them? What one does behind closed doors, is not what I lose sleep over in the night. Government trying to regulate that does. God will sort us all out at the end of the day. I don't want the government doing that job.

The problem is-
First, Rudy has to abide by and support and DEFEND the Bill of Rights, including foremost, the 2nd Amendment. Our Founding Fathers in all their wisdom understood that without the right to bear arms in today's times though it be semi automatic handguns or (so called assault rifles), not muskets, this right must be upheld and Rudy doesn't even understand any of this and I have to sit here and worry and trust him to protect my rights and defend the Constitution.

Let's break down the 2nd Amendment.
1- The 2nd Amendment was designed to hold our government in check so as not to force upon the people of our nation a single government rule and to hold the citizens of this nation to their ideals that they want.

2- The 2nd Amendment was designed by our Founding Fathers to allow the citizens of this country to defend themselves against a tyranny of government rule, from forces within.

3- The 2nd Amendment allows the citizens of this great nation to protect and secure themselves and give themselves self -protection within their own homes and property and what I see coming is that right being watered down as most social politicians seem to be moving in the direction of disarmament.

4-In summary, the Bill of the Rights of the Constitution of the United States needs to be protected not changed, not modified because it is not a living document to make all these new ideas to fit or accommodate special interests of a particular behavior or a particular leader and their extreme ideals. You have all the rights that you could possibly need if you understood the Bill of Rights.

The people, like Rudy, who think the Constitution is a living article is wrong for the country's future. George Bush promised many things and some he has not followed on, some he has. I don't want another social moderate. Give me the real deal, man or woman. Who that would be? Not McCain, he's no conservative. I am more conservative than he is. Allen, maybe good but one thing they're all politicians and most will sell out in some ways. I think Rudy would sell out on social issues and want gun control. Allen wouldn't do that. Remember Rudy is from NY and that state and city violates the 2nd amendment rights and that is in violation of our constitution. Hello. Wake up. And they have the highest murder rate in the country (crimmals have guns; the law abiding citizens do not). Whatever I missed, it doesn’t change my belief, and Rudy will not be the one that I can trust. Many of today’s social problems are brought on by socialist politicians and they know they have an audience who takes up this stuff for their own agenda like gay marriage, the Brady Bill, abortion on demand, over taxation, penalizing an estate, creating the idea that God should be removed from our social environment just adds to our problems. Leave the Bill of Rights alone. No, Rudy or people like him from any party.

rudy
This country needs a moderate as president. for the last 8 years we have had a president on the far right and it has been disaster. If you are a true conservative you don't want big government like G.W.B. has brought. You don't want interventionist foreign policy like this president has brought us. No, you want the government to stay out of your business. anymore the republican party is in everyone's buisness taking a holier then thou approach and limiting people's rights at every turn listening to conversations, monitoring bank accounts, making it easier to watch our every move. a true conservative does not want the government watching everything we do and leaving us to do what we want as long as it is in the boundries of the law. Today's republican party who uses and is now disgracing the conservative moniker is all about having the government watch everything we do and trying to contol us as if we didn't have a mind of our own. it is time for a Rudy who allows people to make their own decisions and not try to control and monitor everything we do

No To Rudolph Giuliani
There are no forces in the universe strong enough to ever get me support Mr.Giuliani for the GOP nomination. I will never forget the picture of Mr.Giuliani standing with President Clinton and other pro-gun control people at the White House either to sign the semi-auto ban or to put pressure on Congress to pass the ban.

Moderate for today AKA Liberal
marco writes: This country needs a moderate as president. for the last 8 years we have had a president on the far right and it has been disaster.

Bush has not been in office for 8 years. Bush far right. Sure, Marco though, it doesn’t compute. Maybe because he supports conservative justices who are NOT activists (of foreign protection) and he is against gay marriage between 2 of the same sex that makes you think he is an extremist. Poor guy never wins. Oh wait, the liberals couldn’t allow George to win the war in Iraq. Do you know what they would do to the liberals? I do. Bush is not perfect but of the choices we had at the time, you got to go with the person who is closet to the ideals of the founding fathers and support those traditions to keep this nation in existence as so many fought and died so to do for us. Or become so angry, go hide out and don’t vote. We certainly need a stronger conservative person than Bush for the next election. Our nation is so neutered from men being real men we’ll probably end up with a moderate. If you think there are 2 different political parties, you need to open your eyes or be honest. The DNC party is the socialist party and the GOP is the party overtaken by liberal moderates and those high timers who work behind the scenes. Yes, maybe they do want one world gov’t or rule. Who knows what they are up to but many of us can see something is in the works and it doesn't seem like the constitution is being protected. What few true conservatives are elected to office, treated by the leftists and the American left media as whacks and you want me to feel sorry for your side or causes. The very people who believe in the rule of law are now frowned upon as extremists. We are in deep trouble if this path of activist’s courts and a particular agenda gets pushed through as laws for the minority.

The elected democrats see the rule of law to fit it to their terms of today. They have no clue what rule of law means. See Al Gore holding the nation hostage for his tantrum and force to become a president for the angry leftists that parroted him up and still do. That was so pathetic. Did he go to Jefferson's Monticello and did not know who Thomas Jefferson was. Did he not know that Thomas Jefferson founded and wrote the Declaration of Independence? Yes, another moderate aka LIBERAL, we need that.

There are plenty of social programs to assist the citizens who need a hand up. Support the veteran who fights for our freedoms not a political agenda. It’s clear why this Justice dept is going after certain people. I guess you must be one who does not understand the importance of why we are at war with the Islam terrorists. Let them hurt us first in a fair fight, no thank you. No moderates. There is a need for new people. Term limits, fair tax but it’s so far to go because the young people are taught this entire corrupt agenda towards socialism so they can feel everyone’s pain or feelings vs. self reliance and self responsibility and pitting groups against each other. Yes, a moderate today’s’ AKA liberal. No thank you. Call me a person who honors the traditions the country was founded upon. Liberals seem to forget this one word or action to behavior on the opposing side. tolerance

McCain - the last of the Keating 5
McCain has been the darling of the leftist media because he is a thorn in the side of the republican party. If he wins the primary, we'll be down to a choice between a turncoat republican (McCain) and a real liberal democrat. Then the liberal media will remember that McCain has made the racist on the record statement that he "hates gooks" and that he is the last member of the Keating 5 still in congress. Also, expect the NRA to stay home - hurting other republicans as well. Thinking men would not nominate this guy for dog catcher.

Annie...git yer gun...
...marco, I think Annie has your cajones in her purse!

The Conservative Litmus Tests Vs Rudy
Has anyone ever stopped to think that what concerns Americans most is what should be addressed? Some years ago I remember someone from a small Southern State running on the slogan "It's the Economy Stupid!" and kicking some of the so-called "true conservatives" butts. The issues that are presented as being so solemny sacred; right to life, gun controls, gay rights, etc. are peripheral to both ends of the political spectrum and their fortunes rest on the Legislative and Judicial branches of government, not the Executive.

Rudy's edorsement of Cuomo may just readily be seen as an example of personal conviction rather than political opportunism, and his three marriages are really none of cour concern, at least unlike JFK and Clinton at least he bothered to get divorced. Handing back that check to the Arabs after 9/11 will score a lot of points in 2008.

It's energy, terrorism, law and order, and immigration stupid! Just guarantee me that the next president is not in the pockets of oil men and Saudi and I'll gladly do without those litmus tests.




Guiliani - NO WAY
I'm sorry, but how can we support a candidate for president, if he is in favour of abortion????

There should be absolutely NO room for negotiation on this topic.

I know that many people here will say that it's not wise to base one's vote on a single topic, but there are some topics that are simply too important.

I can never support a candidate who is okay with the killing of millions of innocent.

Annies on Target
Annie, Have you thought about running for political office?? Up here in the Peoples Republic of Maine you'd be welcome. With two liberal Republicans in the Senate change is long overdue.

In reference to Rudy. He is unfortunately in the same class as Sen. Snow and Sen. Collins. Two people wasting space on the hill. We don't have a lot of choices as Conservatives anymore. All the true Conservative candidates can't seem to stomach the run for office.

Giuliani, McCain, et. al.
Judging by the names being bandied about early (!) in this presidential election cycle, I'd say we are in for some tough choices. I dont think we can afford to be single issue voter, because a Democrat as president would be a disaster, particularly on national security. Whoever the Republican candidate ends up being, McCain, Giuliani, Romney, etc, would beat the Hell out of having Hillary in charge of the war on terror. So, by all means, argue now about guns, abortion, etc, but remember that a Democrat in the White House means: "We surrender".

Before running Mr Giuliani:
Before running Mr. Giuliani may want to check on issues still hanging out there by the press on his relations and dealings with some former people.
He may want to check out this article:

"Court Date for Bernie's Pals"
at:
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0630,robbins,73957,5.html

it doesn't matter ....
Conservatives mostly object to Rudi because of his views on abortion and gun control, but right now that's not important. Neither issue is going to change much in the next 10 years. Abortion will continue in blue states and slowly constrict in red states.

What is needed is someone who is tough on spending and tough on crime -- including islamoterorism. Rudi seems to fit the bill, plus he's got star power and he isn't part of one the old dynasties.

No
Guliani is not acceptable, and neither is McCain. McCain makes me gag just a little faster than Rudy. Either one of these guys will take the country farther to the left. That is the last thing America needs.


I guess Guliani's marital mis-adventures are simply unremarkable in today's world. His acceptance of the homosexual agenda, and worse, his opposition to the Second Amendment, eliminate him from consideration. At least as far as I am concerned.


The people on this site who talk about a moderate Republican being preferable to a Democrat may make sense. I'm afraid that I just can not vote for a RINO. I have not missed voting since the 1960's. Not once. But before I would vote for Guliani or McCain, I would stay home.

Re: No
Did you show up to vote for President Bush both times? Because Bush is the most liberal spender we ever had in the White House and the size of government has increased considerably since he has been President. Would McCain or Giuliani prove anymore liberal in both of those departments? I really do not think so.

RINO
Another Rino. UGG

President 08
I consider myself a true Red Blooded Conservative. Rudy doesn't represent the core base, but he will keep Hillary out of the Oval office. He was an effective leader in New York. I realize that who I want to be President is not going to happen. So, it is time to come up with whom will do the least damage to our freedom and prosperity. I believe Rudy for President and Newt for Vice President is a winning combination. Have Newt educate the people and propose ideas to resolve the corruption in Washington. Let Rudy Communicate, inspire and lead the people to take action against Congress. I believe both men to be pragmatic and have the best interest of the Constitution and people in mind when they make decisions. If effect, it was we have in the White House now, except Newt has more energy then Cheney and Rudy is a better communicator then Bush. And both of them Communicate alot more.
Rick Davis
Optimist Conservative

Be pragmatic
We can all find issues with Guliani. As we can all find issues with just about every canadiate who will run. We all don't agree on everything. Is there one thing we can agree on? Anyone is got to be better then Hillary. Also can we agree despite the infiltration of Rino's in the Republican party, the Republican party is still the less offensive party of the two. There maybe a time that a Conservative or Libertarian President maybe elected. Just not today. My initial thoughts on Guliani was, no way in hell. Looking at the landscape I have to say, please oh please let him be the nominee for Republican President. I would bet my life savings that he would beat any Democrat challenger. If Rudy chose a Conservative running mate such as Newt Gingrich, I would be content for the given political climate we have in this country today. Now if the Republicans in Congress actually governed as we the people expected them too, then it is likely that Newt Gingrich would be the next President of the United States. But...........
The evidence I have seen is Both Rudy and Newt are great leaders. Newt has great ideas how to resolve the world war III that we are now enduring, eliminating Congress corruption, lobbyist, energy policy and fantastic ideas improving our education system. He is excellent at giving speeches and educated the public on his ideas. Newt prooved to be an effective leader when he was in charge and is unlikely to be railroaded effectively with the advent of the watchdog of the media..(ty townhall). Rudy despite his issues with the base, comes up with effective solutions to problems and is a great communicator. Between the two of them, they should be able to shame the congress through educating the people to changing. Get school vouchers passed, move the supreme court towards respecting the Constitution and put us on the offensive in this world war. I don't see either of them backing down to congress, media or world opinion. That is what we need, true leaders that stand up for the American people with a Pro American Conservative direction.
Rick Davis
Optimist Conservative

The Real Issue Is Bush and La Raza
Rudy stood up for America on 9/11 while Bush tried to figure out what was going on. I will take Rudy any day over Bush.

Bush is not a stand up guy he is selling us out. Sending Rove prostitude for votes in front of La Raza is just one example of how Bush and the Republicans are selling out the citizens of the U.S.

Rudy would never be a prostitude for votes with a anti American radical.

Many guys like me were part of the Republican Tide and are sour on the party.


Giuliani would never pass muster.
With Pastor Dobson or Pastor Robertson. They are the guys who are running the Republican Party. That is the reason I changed my party affiliation last year after being a registered Republican for 32 years. W is the culmination of 30 years of a party of moderates transforming into a party of extremists.

So what's a Republican?
I think until we answer this question, trying to choose a ticket is rather futile. I recognize this is nigh impossible to do, but also believe this to be merely a symptom of a deeper problem: the neglect of federalism.

Though we all realize the divisions in the GOP, we usually never make the connection that such was bound to happen when we as a people eradicated the line between the federal and state governments and began using the Commerce Clause to justify just about every level of Federal involvement.

Because of this breakdown in our Constitutional balance every issue has become a Federal one: a recipe for our current problems of dirty elections, corruption in Washington, and polarization among the voters.

We need to understand the Contitutional distinctions that once were and restore them as best as possible. Trust the state parties and the people to deal with the issues of marriage, abortion, and education because that's where the Constitution places those responsibilities and liberties.

Let us then as a national party focus on those things that are truly Federal (i.e. national) issues: national security, trade, tax policy and spending, etc. If we want consensus we have to first agree on the issues to be addressed and at what level to address them. Once we do that we'll see that the criteria is rather short and the decision much simpler.

It is because of this I have to agree with the posts of our "Optimist Conservative," Mr. Davis. The real power in the presidency is the ability to influence others in a way that is more meaningful than just acting out policy, something that few presidents are able to do (at least well!). The Veep should be someone who understands the more intricate workings of the federal government in order to achieve conservative goals by Constitutional means.

With that kind of criteria I, relunctantly (as both a libertarian on the national level and a traditionalist at the state), say that Guliani and Gingrich are our best bets. Am I completely happy with that ticket? No, because I disagree with the first on a number of issues. But, I also recognize that those aren't issues he should be concerned about as president anyway. Given his stance on the social issues, he might very well concur with my assessment: leave it to the States. A responisibility they're handling quite well (20 of 50 states have passed amendments upholding the Biblical view of marriage).

It's time to stop being loyal Republicans and start talking and acting like real republicans.

Rudy hasn't a chance in the primaries and if somehow he did capture the nomination he wouldn't get the vote of gun-rights and the pro-life people -- both of whom tend to be single-issue voters.

Tom Tancredo and Newt Gingrich are the only ones out there I see that I would vote for -- and they'd lose the general election.

I think we're doomed to have a Dem president.

Rudy hasn't a chance in the primaries and if somehow he did capture the nomination he wouldn't get the vote of gun-rights and the pro-life people -- both of whom tend to be single-issue voters.

Tom Tancredo and Newt Gingrich are the only ones out there I see that I would vote for -- and they'd lose the general election.

I think we're doomed to have a Dem president.

DINO vs RINO
i gotta love all the 'true conservatives' out in the heartland who quickdraw from their holster at the mention of Rudy or John leading the ticket in 08.

don't vote -

that'll work - -

and hillary will send you a tax bill to charge you for staying home.

now where i come from we elected the first governator who admitted to using cocaine, grass, having group sex, fondling women, using steroids and a few other vices. guess what? he was a REPUBLICAN!!! and at least he admitted inhaling.

ahnold was still a better choice in the recall than gray davis. and can ahnold get anything done?? not - he can't get past the state legislature or the electorate. ya' all better hold the congress.

so if you choose to help elect hillary, or run some no name who hasn't a chance to get the crossover vote, maybe you'll be conspiring to aid our enemies - foreign and domestic.

want that on your conscience?

a real RINO is someone who stays home and lets his candidate lose - or worse switches to a third party.

a DINO? well we haven't seen or heard from one of them since before the last ice age!!

Nominee
At this point George Allen is obviously the only viable candidate. Why else would the liberal news media plaster the macaca statement in bold headlines in every major newspaper and on major TV networks? The liberals know who the toughest candidate is, even though some RINOs are beating the bushes for Rudy and the nut case McCain.

Good one DINO!
It makes me nuts listening to all these people say, they won't support Giuliani or McCain. It's like they forgot their own freewill. I didn't support Bush in the primaries in 2000, but when he was stacked against Gore, I voted for him because he was obviously the better choice. Same in '04 with Kerry.

Rudy Giuliani is what I like to call a big tent Republican, who I think could unite the party. I really don't consider him a liberal at all. He has proven conservative leadership, unlike many in the big government spending machine known as the Senate. I endorse Rudy in a primary race and the national election.


No, I won't be voting for Rudy

He is a liberal Republican. We need a true conversative or I won't be voting. No, this isn't a cop out. How can I vote for a prochoice candidate and then they turn around and decide about my healthcare? Isn't this a conflict of values or interest within itself?

Wow, what diversity of opinion...
I was pretty hyped up on the thought of Rudy for President, that is until all your comments reminded me of his stance on some extremely important issues that Conservatives have been making headway on. For instance, I would not want Rudy picking a supreme court justice.
On the plus side, Rudy as VP would definitely help the Republican party win NY, especially against Hillary. He's a magnificent speaker, has the love and admiration of millions, and energizes voters. He would definitely be a value, RINO or not.
I just pray nightly that McCain, Hagel, and the other marshmallow Republicans don't make headway. They make me sicker than any liberal democrat ever could. Any politician who can stand on his soapbox and profess how we are losing in Iraq, Afgan, Israel is wrong to defend itself is a traitor. That kind of politician is a hinderance to our soldiers, our president, and this country's fight against the enemy. Complaining is pathetic and child-like. Action is what counts. Hagel hasn't been in Iraq since 2003, except when he did a seven country seven day tour in 2005, which really doesn't count. We don't need a mealy-mouth RINO in the office. With that we all can agree. Thanks to all!!!

No to McCain and Giuliani
I am registered as an Independent. My first vote for President was for Reagan in 1980. I have voted Republican for President in every election since except in 1992...I voted Libertarian because I couldn't stomach Bush Sr a 2nd time. I voted for Bush Jr. both times. NEVER AGAIN! I will not compromise my principles to vote for a candidate that does not reflect my views. It's simple, leave my guns alone, leave my money alone, leave me alone. I don't care about abortion, I don't care about gays/gay marriage. I want BOTH the religious right and the liberal leftists out of my life. I want our borders secured and the illegals sent home. People are fed up with both parties.

Wake up call needed...
As far as gays are concerned, no one who is that mentally twisted should have any rights whatsoever. Just take a gander at your newspapers or watch TV to get an idea of the moral decline of our society. And it's not just these sickos, either. Media has no soul, they sold it long ago to the devil. The crap our kids are exposed to its no wonder they are turning out like they are.

People in this country need to wake up to the reality of what's really going on. Just like with 9/11. There is more to that incident than meets the eye. People like JB are closer to the truth than anyone wants to admit, and I think that's what scares most people. They don't want to believe that anyone but terrorists had anything to do with 9/11.


Stay in New York
I will NEVER pull the lever for anyone who has EVER been pro-abortion, anti-guns, or pro-homosexual "marriage".

Never. Ever.

This is absurd
Use common sense. If Rudy didn't make some ultimately irrelevant overtures to social liberalism in its undeclared capital, he'd never be mayor. They'd be stuck with a useless wimpy tax-and-spend liberal like the fellow before him. Which ironically will be the fate of Republicans in 2008 if they keep running these lame litmus tests on his past statements on him. You can vote for McCain, or Rudy, or maybe Romney. All of whom are going to at least extend a welcoming hand to an allied bloc as powerful as the social cons (just like he did to the social libs in NYC). If you vote for anyone else or do not vote, you are in essence voting for the Democrats, the party of surrender. And I do not want to see those cowards and defeatists in power because a few social cons thought that Rudy and the libertarian-conservatives weren't pure enough for them. He might not be chasing after the gay man next door, but that is oh so irrelevant should a jihadist think your morning commute train is an easy target.

Don't forget, we're in a war.

Domestic Terrorists
Bin Laden, terrorist Boogeyman-in-chief has killed, say, 10,000 people in his entire career. Planned Parenthood kills that many in every week. For profit. Tick tock.

I'll never be frightened into abandoning Virtue. Given the choice, I'd rather be killed by a terrorist than vote for an Abortionist.

Clear enough, I think.



Rudy as President?
I will never vote for a democrat and I consider Rudy a democrat. I never thought i'd be a Gingrich supporter for President, but he's standing up for strong conservative beliefs and is an articulate man. Rudy will only advance more democratic liberalism. I admire his reduction of crime in New York and his actions during 9-11 but that does not transfer to a conservative President

Make A Choice
I for one support the statement "I registered for the Republican Party". You know, the Republicans who believe in state's rights. The party of Ronald Reagan, who was originally a Democrat. The Ronald Reagan who said "Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty." and "Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. " and "Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. " and of course "I call upon the scientific community in our country, those who gave us nuclear weapons, to turn their great talents now to the cause of mankind and world peace: to give us the means of rendering these nuclear weapons impotent and obsolete. "

Besides all of that, I also agree with the statement that a politician needs to gain the support of more than just its base. It needs to gain support on both sides. Quite frankly, Allen, Frist and the others have only a remote chance of coming close to that. Giuliani CAN gain the support of New Yorkers and people on both sides of the party line. The most recent poll shows Rudy leading the Republican polls and Clinton leading the Democrat polls. If the two of them end up running nose to nose, will you not vote for Giuliani?

Whether we choose to believe it or not, parts of the Republican party ARE splitting. Some Republicans are voting open borders, others enforcement only, and that is only one case. Giuliani is a broader Republican that could unite the Republican party. Besides that, who do you think you could get multi-party support from? Frist? Allen? In a city where the Democrat-Republican ratio is 5-1 Giuliani won numerous times. Yes, that does mean Democrats like him. HOWEVER, it also means that they would again vote for a person whose views are more Republican than liberal. The next person down from Rudy is McCain. Who would you prefer in office? Rudy who wants to fight terrorists or Mr. Open Borders himself?

I say, put Rudy in office, then put all of the Conservatives into Congress you want.

Hillary
I also agree with one of the other posters. Why yall are voting for someone who can't win, Hillary will be tallying her votes and developing her invoices for your huge taxes.

We need
Someone who is a mega Conservative...but who? I don't think Giuliani can get the nomination...he looks inpressive on the war issue, and fiscally, but that's pretty much it! Jeb to the rescue?

We need
Someone who is a mega Conservative...but who? I don't think Giuliani can get the nomination...he looks inpressive on the war issue, and fiscally, but that's pretty much it! Jeb to the rescue?

Republican candidate
I would rather vote for Allen or Gingrich and lose, than vote for Guiliani and win. If Guiliani would win we would have a Democrat voted in as a Republican and virtually no recourse to his liberal programs and possible Supreme Court nominees. The Democrats would be the winners with his victory.

Caution
I would caution either party to be careful about attempts to smear RG. He's liked very well by a huge majority of people in this country and when he's been on Cavuto, O'Reilly, Hannity, et.al. he's been clear, articulate, and with sound direction, most especially regarding the war we fight now. It would be terribly irresponsible to dismiss someone of his caliber.

Now, as much as I admire and like RG, my larger preference would be Newt, even though he has some issues with which I disagree, I feel like he has the same strength that RG exudes, but he has the upside of having already served in Washington and dealing with the bodies of government that I reluctantly call the Senate and Congress. He also stands on the issue of immigration with which I agree; he shows strength on the war; he knows how to stand down both houses and reach the American people when it comes to the cause, much like Reagan did in many ways.

Rudy Giuliani- 30 % chance as nominee
Rudy Giuliani, John McCain and Mitt Romeny each have about a 30 % chance to be the Republican nominee in 2008. Despite his charisma, it is hard to fathom how Rudy Giuliani could be the nominee of a party whose membership is no much to his right. At least three-quarters of Republicans are to Giuliani's right, most of whom are far to his right. Yet Rudy Giuliani is viable due to his leadership persona and the fact that it is presumed that he would crush Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008 for the presidency.

How does he do it regarding the issues? He modifies his views without radically modifying his views( he would seem phony if he pulled a 360 degree reversals on several issues). He stays pro-choice on abortion but proclaims that he plans to appoint strict constructionist judges. He stays pro-gay but anti-gay marriage. He indicates that gun control is a local issue and that the American public is comfortable with gun laws as they are presently.

How does he do it within the Republican primaries? Giuliani places well in the Iowa Caucus, first, second or a strong third. Then he wins New Hampshire. Places a strong second in South Carolina. Then he sweeps the primaries that are more to his liking- Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Michigan and Illinois.

One last note- never has either political party nominated a presidential candidate so far outside their party's mainstream than the Republicans would be doing with choosing Rudy Giuliani in 2008. Does this mean that the conservative hegemony is now over in the Republican Party? It would appear so.

Error
Not only did I misspell Romney in line 1 but Imeant to write "so much to his right" rather than "no much to his right" in sentence two.

PS- I am surprised at how many posters on this thread think that Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Dr. Dobson and others on the Christian Right have a great influence in Republican politics. They are actually fading paper tigers whose influence is today small. Actually, after twenty-five years of political activism has resulted in few achievements for social and religious conservatives, I expect more and more to withdraw from politics and public life like the Christians in the later Roman Empire. Homeschooling and Crunchy-con conservatism are two forms of this withdrawal.


Any better than hillary
No more Clintons The American Public will not vote for her but she may win a few states and winn the election.
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