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Friday, October 30, 2009
Robert Knight :: Townhall.com Columnist
Dearborn Shoot-Out Opens a Window into Homegrown Terror
by Robert Knight
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Luqman Ameen Abdullah, who was the Imam of the Masjid Al-Haqq mosque in Detroit, died in a shoot-out on Wednesday after firing on FBI agents during a raid in Dearborn, Michigan. Another seven Muslims were apprehended and various weapons seized.

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“We're not any fake terrorists, we're the real terrorists,” Abdullah (aka Christopher Thomas) once bragged to an undercover informant, according to an FBI affidavit.

Abdullah, 53, was a disciple of none other than H. Rap Brown. If you ever wondered what had become of the‘60s Black Panther leader, well, he converted to Islam while in prison in the 1970s. And he apparently has not changed his mind about what he’d like to do to America.

Famous for saying, “Violence is necessary. It’s as American as cherry pie,” he goes by the moniker Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, and runs a Sunni group called Ummah (“community”). The Black Muslim organization’s goal is to establish an Islamic regime with Sharia Law within the United States. Brown is doing this from his prison cell at the ADX Florence supermax federal prison in Colorado, where he’s serving a state-imposed sentence for shooting two black police officers in Fulton County, Georgia in 2000.

In Wednesday’s raid, the agents targeted a Dearborn warehouse and two Detroit homes after a two-year investigation of the Ummah offshoot. A total of 11 Muslims (three were still at large) were charged with various conspiracy felonies involving stolen goods and firearms. Speaking of conspiracies, Abdullah is on tape saying that the FBI was behind Timothy McVeigh’s 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City and the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993. The 43-page criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court by the U.S. Attorney’s Office, and which contains eyewitness accounts, says that boys as young as 7 were beaten “severely” (p. 24) and that Abdullah encouraged his followers to “pick up guns and do something.” (p. 3) He also said, “If they are coming to get me, I’ll just strap a bomb on and blow up everybody.” (p. 10) He also said while watching a TV show featuring a nuclear bomb that he would like to acquire a “little bomb” and target Washington, D.C. (page 18).

Well, that kind of talk, except for the fact that Washington is about 60 percent African-American, should make a proud man out of Al-Brown, who once said, “We must wage guerrilla warfare on the honky white man” and, “If America doesn't come around, then black people are going to burn it down.” The latter threat was made in Cambridge, Maryland, where fiery riots erupted shortly thereafter in July, 1967, fulfilling his prophecy.

A color photo of Abdullah, was made available to the press by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the most prominent Muslim public relations group in America. CAIR has denounced terrorism but has been named an unindicted co-conspirator in a prominent terrorist funding case. On the same day as the Michigan raids, CAIR put out an unrelated editorial “Islamophobia Machine Targets American Muslims,” which denounces Frank Gaffney, Geert Wilders and other prominent critics of radical Islam. CAIR also assisted in the effort to have Christian convert Rifqa Bary, 17, sent Tuesday from Florida back to Ohio, where her Muslim parents are trying to regain custody. Rifqa fears an “honor killing” because she is an apostate, and although a deal was cut keeping her in foster care until she turns 18, her parents have since fired the attorney and are seeking to break the deal and bring her home. A custody hearing is slated on Nov. 16 in Franklin County Juvenile Court.

Back in Michigan, Dawud Walid, who heads the Michigan Council on American-Islamic Relations, said of Abdullah, “I know him as a respected man in the Muslim community,” according to the Detroit Free Press. The group’s Website on Thursday made no mention of the raids, and its top press release was about the Roseville Community Schools apologizing for sending out a permission slip for pupils to attend an off-campus Bible study. No parents had complained to the schools, but CAIR had adopted the ACLU’s bullying tactic of accusing school officials of violating the First Amendment. Continued...

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Three Rules For Takeover of the U.S.
In 1968 the Air Force Academy printed the American Communist Party's Three Rules.

1) Destroy the ruggedness of the American people by concentration their attention on spectator sports and sex.

2) Take control of the news media to prevent the people from knowing what is going on in the legislative halls of the United States and to tear down the image of any natural leader the people might want to follow.

3) Disarm the people through gun control.

In the 1980's the American Communist Party disbanded because, according to the party leader, both the Republican Party and the Democrat Party had adopted all of their platform.

Still think we are safe???

Reply to JD's Handsome Son...

"Besides, they’re hard to conceal, even in baggy pants."....

lol....you crack me up....lol..

Big Mick
"Can you imagine similar "Tolerance" for an AMISH takeover of Philadelpia?" Now there's an image that will stay with me for the rest of the day!

Mick: I'm afraid you're right about

that.

In fact, I'd put money on it!


Let's be honest about this.
If Sandnazis were WHITE there WOULDN'T "be so much as a scorched stone of thier fine Mosques still standin".

Look what Happened to the Koreshees. The Mormon Polgamy Fundies!

If these guys where Hatfield and McCoy
Snake Handling Deliverance Banjo Pickers trying to impose Their Clan Law on Louisville they'd have been wiped out, not just behind bars by now.

The ONLY reason this DARK AGE PATRIARCHAL WOMEN ABUSING PSEUDO-religious CRAP is TOLERATED is because the Goat Sucking Ragheaded Bastids ARE NOT WHITE!

Can you imagine similar "Tolerance" for an AMISH takeover of Philadelphia?

mick

Stands: No the post in question is

on O'Reilly's thread...

A few hours ago...

I think you'll change your mind on this one....


spartan
Couple months back on that CSPAN book notes thing they had an Islamic Expert say pretty much the same thing you (and I elsewhere) are saying. He called it "cheating them of their death." Meaning KILL them on OUR terms.

It's coming Brother, the Terrible Swift Sword is coming.

In a very little while these Goat Sucking Camel Humping Sandnazis will have gone one step too far and the Fateful Lightening will be loosed.

They are removing the dam that holds back the Flood of the Grapes of Wrath one Jerry Wright by Van Jones by CAIR brick at a time.

One day soon, one news story, one quote, one Honor Killing, one press release too many and comes their Deluge.

the big mick

Anne
Since I only just came onto this thread after several hours away and don't see any post by Mod Mark on this thread, DID he post something on THIS thread that has been taken off this board? Or was it that post with the vulgar comment about you that he posted on Bill O'Reilly's thread earlier tonight that Pistol flagged?

I agree he's more vile than Mario - only because I regard Mario as mentally disturbed, so I don't take Mario seriously anyway. Mario reminds me of a homeless guy who used to hang out in the area where I used to work in the mid-Wilshire area of Los Angeles that would be walking around screaming out mindless obscenities - probably because he'd blown his mind out on drugs.

I actually disagree with you that Mod Mark is one of the most reprehensible posters who comes to this site - and remember, he's directed a few choice comments MY way, too, over the months. I regard Mod Mark as a person in a state of arrested development: I don't think he's ever moved beyond a junior high-school mentality. The kind of insults he's posted on this site (like the one he directed at you tonight on O'Reilly's thread) are of a junior-high-school level variety. He fancies himself as a wit - like your typical junior-higher who doesn't know the difference between witty and just plain vulgar. Or a grade-schooler who thinks calling someone else "poopyhead" or "cootiehead" is funny.

I think the King of Reprehensible on this board is the Bard of Scranton - although MellorSJ2 really gives him a run for his money.

IGNORAMUSES
These Black Muslims are simple-minded fools. Simple-minded yet dangerous. If they want to die for Islam and go to paradise, I will be happy to do my part to make that happen.

Pistol and Other Friends
Jackson’s group was picketing DS Arms to protest gun violence. Since DS is in his backyard of Chicago, it made that company a convenient target, even though none of its weapons are ever used in crime. DS weapons are too expensive and too fine for cheap inner city felonies. Besides, they’re hard to conceal, even in baggy pants.

Too many Americans are VBC, Victims By Choice, who’ve given up their innate to survive. Fortunately, we in Ohio don’t have to be. We have concealed carry and our state constitution states that each individual has a right to bear arms for his personal safety as well as for militia purposes. Thus, even if MacDonald vs Chicago goes badly, we’ll still be armed here.

We’ve had three recent defensive shootings here in Central Ohio. One was by a 70-year-old grandmother staying in a hotel. An Obama voter from Missouri had just been released from prison for armed robbery when he barged into her room and demanded money. Instead, she double tapped him with a .357 and dropped him dead. The second shooting was made by a 68-year-old man confronted by an Obama voter on the street and with a gun. The old guy gave threw a wallet at the kid, which distracted him, then he shot the kid with his own gun. The third incident involved a home invasion with the trespasser being killed.

In none of the cases did we see follow-up reports about tearful family members mourning a loved one’s loss, expensive trials, costly imprisonments, appeals, background checks by social services agencies and all the other costs we incur because of Obama voters who can’t behave in a civilized society. Instead, they were shot dead and that was that. Case closed. No appeal.

Soon, all of us will have to return to a time when we had to fight just to survive and those who have regressed into grass eating sheep will be eradicated. That will be good for the new and improved republic.

JD: As I think of it, even something

like this shoot-out in Dearborn could be enough to start something...

... depending on how Obozo decides to deal with the fall out.

That's my point... one doesn't know....




Pistol: ModMark IS one of THE MOST

reprehensible people on TH... I can't believe I'm saying this, but he's even worse that Mario and some others.

Free speech is one thing... but we are not guaranteed the right to be debauched and vile.

I could be wrong, but the way I see it is... if ModMark wants to be that vile, he's free to do so on his own blog... People can choose to go there... or not.

But he does NOT have that right to be that way on a public forum.

Anyway, thank you. :-)




Anne, JD
Anne
I never thought i'd flag a poster. Free speech is important. But i flagged Mod Mark.

JD
Picketing DSA by the Rainbow Girls? Whatever would be their excuse? Doesn't matter. Now i WILL pickup that Congo. Ever since the French refusal to support Reagan, i have been careful where i spend my money. I changed brands of booze and motels to spite the French, and won't buy Citgo, being its Chavez owned. If DSA made Revvrund Jesse that mad, they are friends of mine. Nice to spend my money with friends.

Did you hear about that 62 year old dude in Pakistan who saved about 20 UN co-workers with his personal AK-47 when the goblins attacked the complex? Can you imagine being surrounded by people who wish you dead, and not having a firearm handy? And 1 of 20 sensible enough to be armed. It will be the 1 of 20 who make the difference again.

Dean of SC
Your statement that Dearborn, Mi. has half the murder rate of the country is slightly disingenuous. In actuality, all violent crimes in Dearborn are almost twice the national average and all property crimes are almost
1 1/4 times the national average with auto theft topping out at 2 1/4 times the natl av.

Taken as a whole, Dearborn is just not a very safe place to be, and it is getting worse, for many reasons. The subject of this column is one of them.

JD's Handsome Son: I have no idea what,

but I suspect it will be something small... something we least expect...

Kind of the "straw that broke the camel's back" so to speak.

For example, the head of the FCC has already talked about breaking up the FNC "empire" and FNC's FCC license is up for renewal in a month or two.

Depending on what hoops the FCC makes FNC jump through in order to renew their license, could bring things closer to the boiling point, if not TO the boiling point.


But I doubt it will have to be something "big" such as you described. By then it will be to late

I'm just sayin' ... Who knows?


Anne From Pa
We need not try to determine what exactly the spark will be. We only need accept the fact that there will be one and it will be used to suspend our rights.

Pick your scenario. Economic collapse? Yes, a logical choice. Anyone with one molecule of brains and who’s balanced a checkbook know the folly of what’s being done to our treasury. But our rulers are so detached from reality they truly think themselves gods, able to defy the laws of mathematics and gravity.

Attack from within? Sure, another possible spark. Attack from abroad? Maybe in a few years, after we’ve been so weakened a squad of boy scouts could walk in and demand our surrender. Half of America would willingly surrender if they were promised Big Macs, cheap 40-ounce malt liquors and lottery tickets.

What should the rest of us do? We should be bolstering our individual defenses and steeling ourselves for any disaster. In the final analysis, each of us will be alone against the world until some sense of order begins to take shape. It will be local, then regional as like-minded citizens join together for security as the world around us goes mad.

Did we not see our fate with our own eyes four years ago? Is there any doubt of what lies ahead when civil authority breaks down? Imagine our inner cities emptying out into the suburbs without restraint. Do you think those subhuman mongoloids are going to conduct themselves with any humanity?

Does anyone know Latin? How does one say: Woe to the unprepared in Latin.

Vae Victus means woe to the vanquished. I want to know how to say Vae unprepared.

Pistol
The past two years Jesse Jackson and his Rainbow Coalition have protested outside DS Arms headquarters and each year I've shown my support by buying a FAL and writting the company to express my appreciation for its products.

The Congo model has a classic look. I'm leaning toward the tactical model, also with the folding stock, and with a top rail so I can mount an EOTech. If there's a protest next year, I'll get one. Keep hope alive! I am somebody!




Tea Party
True. This nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Idealism, self-responsibility, the work ethic, consciousness of a Higher Power. Each voter has an input to the levers of power. Where voters are idealistic and refuse to suffer corruption even for temporary personal gain, their representatives likewise seek the highest good. But too many voters have abandoned their higher selves. Crass motives of greed and envy determine their votes. Voila! Our current government. And what a pity.

L_CO on O'Reilly's thread just posted...

"Ok, the evidence is in.We have a communist in the WH

Now what?"

My only response could be...

"Excellent question! Now what?

"I fear what it will take, and the only real question is what will spark it."


There could be a number of things, but I suspect it will be something we least expect.




Tea Party
Yes, let’s pray by all means. Nothing wrong with that, nothing at all.

But God gave us the wisdom to create many marvelous things with which man achieved dominion over the temporal world: Glock 19s, Rock River AR-15s and the newly retooled Steyr Arms AUG in .223.

We must not turn our backs on the capabilities He has bestowed upon us. Verily I say unto you, thy SIG and thy Glock will comfort you as you stroll the Valley of Death.

JD's Handsome Son
I identify with your frustration and sadness at seeing the direction greedy fools, and lazy fools and well-meaning fools have forced upon us. The downside to violence is that all too often the wrong people get hurt. The instigators behind the curtain get away scot free, their foolish tools shed the blood. Nevertheless, i learned long ago to never give a sucker an even break. Ignorance and misery can be a reason, but never an excuse.

BTW, i really like the DSA Congo Model with short barrel and folding stock. Probably be my next investment.

You know Pistol
Pastor David Wilkerson predicted just that kind of scenario although he didn't go into specifics except that cities especially around the NYC metorplex would be burning and there would be riots; as well as riots in cities around the world. He did have an inner warning of a calamity in the weeks leading up to 9/11 and the church stopped all activities except prayer if I remember the story correctly, that church is in Times Square.
I think allowing the enemy to access our country is part of the leftis/progressive agenda, causing a crisis.
I believe that God allowed Obama to gain the W.H. to bring Americans out of their apathy, to
give warning of what could happen to this Republic He gave us if we didn't return to Him.
He's chastised other nations for turning from him, Israel never seemed to learn it's lesson and it seems we haven't either. We need godly
Congressmen/Senators/Potus/ Supremes because this government can only work as one Founder put it, for a Godly and moral people. He WILL
get our attention. It's incumbent on believers to get on our knees in repentence, stand in the gap for our people and PRAY..what we see with our eyes is the surface of a spiritual war that's going on for the soul of this nation. We go down and millions will die without salvation.

Pistol
You invested well, I see. Good job.

I agree with your assessment of our latter days. When the Reichstag Fire happens there will be no thought processes applied, only mob mentality and chaos. This is what wise people should be preparing for. They should be prepared to fight their fellow citizens, those that voted for Obama, unable to care for themselves but who are programmed to believe themselves entitled to sunny days every day. When their checks stop, they will revert to their true selves, about two steps above wild animals.

I’m a big fan of FALs, especially those made by DS Arms in Illinois. They are superb battle weapons, accurate, rugged and reliable. I love the 7.62X51mm which do the same thing as .223, the only difference being you only have to hit the target once, rather than three times. The M1A, the civilian version of the M14, is another great riot stopper.

SIGs are excellent weapons. I have several and normally carry the P239 when fashionably dressed because the magazines are single-staked and thus don’t print even when in double magazine holders. Now that it’s colder and I can wear bulkier clothes, I’m relying more and more on the P250 with 15 round capacity. With two spare mags I’m rocking and rolling with 45 rounds and could walk the streets of Mogadishu or the badlands of Columbus.

I met with a big dealer from Cleveland yesterday who’s got me tempted to get a SBR after setting up a trust so I don’t have to get a law enforcement endorsement and fingerprinting.

To be honest with you, part of me is anxious for the coming demise.

Jd's Handsome Son
Indeed i am. Despite its blocky Teutonic lines. i find the 226 to be quite ergonomic. Maybe its built to fit my German-American paw. At any rate, i find it easy to get above average groups. In general, i prefer single stackers.
Did i mention i lucked up on an old Century Arms FAL Short Sporter? Sort of a morphodite, but mine shoots like a house afire. As Providence would have it, years ago i bought a bunch of Lake City 7.62 x 51, and a couple hundred rounds of Midway 200 grain soft points. Both too cheap to pass up at the time, although the only .308 i had was a Remington 788. Since that long ago day, i've laid in several more .308's, and that ammo looks like a stroke of genius. The Midway stuff was like $30/100. And the .38 and 9mm i picked up 10 years ago because it was so inexpensive it made reloading not worthwhile is now putting smiles on my face.

Over last couple days, a couple posters wrote we dare not impeach Barry because it would inspire riots. Not that impeachment is plausible, but the last thing i worry about is inner city riots. I can envision a scenario where the economy gets tighter, naturally the illiterate and unskilled will bear the brunt. As things deteriorate in the inner cities, it will be carefully explained that the misery is entirely due to the vicious greedy profiting obstructionism of the wealthy. If violence should start, this is the most likely scenario i see as the fuse. The possibility that common sense, good will and reality will rise to the fore is becoming smaller every day, as Barry the igniter and cohorts continue to polarize the country.

To Arms
Hi Pistol. Still enjoying that SIG 226?

Everyone, weapons and accessories are approaching the pre election prices again. You have one more chance. God has taken us to the abyss and He allowed us to look into the face of death before yanking us back to go forth and multiply our arms caches.

Do not be caught unprepared again. Use your minds. Face what's coming our way once our fools in D.C. bankrupt our once mighty nation and we descend into chaos with all sorts of diverse characters running around terrorizing us.

Two Two Three is fine, but you have to hit them more than once. Three Oh Eight is better. Makes their heads explode at greater distances.

Allah be praised!

Idiocy!
And yet, still yet, our country's leaders continue to allow Muslims and Pakistanis in particular, to immigrate into the US! Over 40,000 Somalis now in Minnesota! I wonder how many Germans and Japanese were permitted to immigrate into the US in, say, 1943?
We are our own worst enemy, and this country will pay for this idiocy! We will pay with blood in the streets and the total destruction of what was once a great nation. Wake up, America!

Sharia law in Dearborn, MI
Here is an article by a videographer and the video that she and her associate shot during a "festival" this year. If this doesn't get your attention, nothing will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPod-hxD7g

http://confidentchristianity.blogspot.com/2009/06/arabfest- in-dearborn-michigan-2009.html

What insanity are we letting loose
Every day I hear of Islam and Sharia Law. Have the people of America lost their marbles. Cut the rot of Islam out of the heart of our once beloved country. The Judea-Christian religion produced this country
over 200 years ago. I'm tired of hearing about 'moderate muslims'.
There are no moderate muslims. If a 'moderate muslim' loved this country they would repudiate the terror of their fellow countrymen.
Instead, they hide behind the scenes and joyously proclaim their
coming victory over us 'infidels.' The muslim we have in the White House is no better. Can't you see how he is destroying the fabric of America. The sooner we get down on our knees and pray to the Good Lord and ask His Blessed Mother to intercede for us, the better. Thankfully, the ballot box is still there, but for how long, I don't know. Pray as if your life depended on it, because it does.

get the root out, the koran
What we need is to be rid of is THE KORAN..It is the poison that transforms men into killers, liars, etc., like its author..
The Bible condemned islam 2000 years ago..Matthew 16-20,22,23 tells us it is SATAN who denies Jesus death...
1st John 2-18-22 tells us it is antichrist who deny that Jesus is SON OF GOD and GOD IS FATHER..
JESUS ALSO convicted the men who stoned women.
He condemned men who claimed to be sons of Abraham, and claimed to worship Abraham's God and said these were NOT SONS but SEED of Abrham,, and they worshipped satan...John 8..
So you can believe Jesus words or you can believe the lie sent to unbelievers i.e. the koran,,, 2 thessalonians 2..

Fanatism=islam
Two problems with ANY concessions to islam are that: 1) The religion has numerous directives to extreme violence against non-believers (so called infidels). There is no compromise of any kind. Intolerance rules. And 2) Too often radical clerics are allowed to manipulate their congregation with dire consequences. The sheep that are the congregation do not reign-in the radical elements and, in fact, condone and support the violence with their silence and near complete lack of condemnation.

HOMEGROWN TERRORISTS
THIS IS GREAT, NOW WE CAN KILL MUSLIMS WITHOUT TRAVELING TO THE MIDDLE EAST.

Shut down their meeting places...
They are not places of worship!

They are a foothold on American soil.

They want to take over our country.

The FBI did a great job on that one guy.

They need to keep up!

Lots more to go by the gun to their end!

Islam
The "religion" of "REST IN PEACE".

Microchips
You certainly can't accuse Christianity of being 'a religion of peace', apparently. Some things never change, apparently eagerness to murder people of the 'wrong religion' is one of them. And none of you guys even blinked at the suggestion.

BTW, the murder rate in Dearborn is half the national average, and about a third that of my hometown. This from a city that has the highest concentration of Muslims in America.

Two Enemies that Need Banishment
Corndog: "Every Mosque on US soil needs to be bull-dozed to the ground."

Don't stop there: Let's go on to Mecca and Medina and level those cities, too.

Once you know your enemy, you destroy him. Radical Muslims have made it quite clear they hate Jews and Christians so there's no reason we should allow them in our country.

One way for a country to ensure its suicide is to adopt Political Correctness as a working dogma. The paradox is that liberals support homosexuals and abortions and are ready to fight for those beliefs while at the same time they support Muslims in this country whose religion absolutely prohibits homosexuality and abortions and regards Christians and Jews as absolute enemies who should be destroyed unless they convert.

At the same time Liberals are completely tolerant about radical Islam they want to destroy Christianity and our economic system and install a totalitarian government that knows best as to what each of us should earn and/or receive.

The mullahs and the progressives are birds of the feather: Totalitarians who should be both hounded out of the U.S. and relegated to the darkest, most undeveloped parts of the earth and left there to stew, and die, in their servitude to their dark and evil delusions of control.

Times have changed
60 years ago the public, media, and entertainment despised and publicly vilified "5th columnists". The fact that a modern day president of the United States can actually declare us at war without being able to actually name who we're at war with is a testament to the power of political correctness. Is it because our modern culture is uncomfortable with the notion of a religious based enemy (as opposed to a secular national enemy)? Or is it a reflection of the growing influence of the ideology of multiculturalism?

Whatever the cause, we're apparently unable (or unwilling) to confront enemies from within. Our parents generation (or grandparents generation, depending upon your age) seemed to have had less difficulty. Yet they did intern Japanese Americans in western states. Are we as a culture today completely immobilized by a fear of making a mistake? Or is it a new ideological allegiance (government shall not teach any religion ... except the religions of multiculturalism, atheism, socialism, and environmentalism)?

Political correctness
I'm still waiting to find out if our President is a Christian I should hate because they sometimes get too judgmental and preachy. Or, is he a Muslim I should embrace because all they do is enslave, torture, and kill you.

You know, being PC is very important.

ARE WE SURE
that that was Abdullah or was it Whoopi Goldberg in drag?

Very Informative sites:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com

http://www.americancongressfortruth.com


Radical Muslims within, along with...
the left-wing fifth column are the biggest threat to our Democratic Republic. Janet Napolitano however concetrates on Conservatives and returning Military vets as the most likely terrorists.

Absolutely stunning. We're in trouble.

John D
I've been stocking up on those chips. 308, 9MM and 12 Guage.

Microchip helps Muslims
With the implantation of a small microchip in the forhead, Muslims are imbued with ability to speak with "GOD". That's a .308 cal. microchip, insertion is almost painless for the inserter.

JD's Handsome Son
Its a dammed shame so many really fine people will be hurt by the crazy stupidity of the majority of voters. Small consolation that the fools who are responsible will be hardest hit. Of course, this is nothing new. Whatever happens, the fools are hardest hit. I do want to be around for a few more years to see how this comes out.

Where Am I Wrong?
Does it make any sense at all for an empire to allow its enemies to freely relocate within its borders, take up residence, cause mayhem and murder, and actually pay for their living expenses with tax revenue?

Isn't it idiotic for such an empire to respond to an attack by an outside adversary by easing its vigilance against that enemy while increasing its surveillance and attacks on its own citizens?

Is it wise for this empire to punish the first responders in its military and intelligence organizations when it was attacked?

What a dumb-fvck nation we've become. Maybe we should be wiped out if we're too stupid to defend ourselves. Other cultures that have a stronger will to win rightfully have claims against our territory and rightfully should seize it and kill all of us.

Islam is murder.
Beware. They have no moral code, no love for humanity or each other. They should not be trusted by anyone over the age of 12. Any American that buys their prostelyzing should be allowed out of our gene pool and not let back in.

What a dearth of liberal loonies!
How refreshing. Here's a couple corrections for the history buffs.

* Islam has been around for 14 centuries, NOT since the 14th century.

* The only way "infidels" (BTW, that word should NEVER be quoted--at least, bin Laden wouldn't quote the word) will ever appease Muslims is to either become Muslim, pay the dhimmi tax, or die.

There are also a number of truisms as well.

* The goal of Islam is the subjugation of the world under sharia rule.

* Before the world can become subjugated, all Jews must die--or at least Israel. Kill Israel first, America second. You can attack America now because without America's money backing Israel, Israel would have already been defeated--they think.

plots in liberal cities
I would say twhat makes more sense and has more to do with a large concentration of people and things to attack in one area. Simply put they get more bang for their buck if they attack NYC or LA or such than if they attack Lincoln NE. Nothing personal against NE. Terrorists attack were they will get the most notice pure and simple.

There is likely a per person higher ownership of guns in rural TX than in NYC for many reasons. What there is not is anything to attack in rural TX hence NYC is more likely to get attacked.

I think it is more based on location than politics or gun ownership.

alphonse jones & eastlake joe
I used to live in Arizona myself for years, split between Phoenix and Tucson. My parents STILL live in Arizona: they've lived in the Phoenix area (Sun City now) for 37 years.

Whenever I come back to Arizona to see my parents, I often play golf at Falcon golf course - which is right next to Luke AFB, so I'll often see fighters taking off and landing on the runways right next to a couple of the holes.

Regarding the fact that the terrorists seem to gravitate where there are large concentrations of liberals, who tend to be far less likely to be gun owners than conservatives: I guess, like water, terrorists choose the path of least resistance, too.

standshisground
phoenix is the site where they hold their top level fighter pilot training

And both tucson and phoenix are the two finalists for the training site for the next fighter jet coming on line.

Phoenix's site is like air force base on the west side of town and tucson would train at the tucson intl airport

Unlike dearborn born sites know how to handle security

Standshisground
The reason for the liberalite targets is simple. They know the liberals are less likely to own weapons of their own and therefore are more likely to depend on the police than themselves. This takes nothing from the police, it's just that they have an ETA while the residents have none!!!!

Food and Politics
H. Rap Brown said violence is as American as apple pie, not cherry pie.

Once A list attendees at parties given by Hollywood and political elites, he and all the other celebrity black militants ended up in prison for violent crimes, or died violent deaths.

They were not unique, but typical of leftists and liberal supporters. All are thieves, murderers, traitors and failures at life who resent the success of others. Their ideology and their principles arose from common thieves who refused to work and who lived all their lives off the resources of others, much like parasites. Lenin, Marx, Stalin and the other founders of the American democrat party survived on the money they got robbing banks and donations from relatives and deluded followers.

Our current ruling class has never contributed to our society. Obama, all his appointees, and everyone in congress were handed everything they have by families and the government. They have never earned an honest penny, never held productive jobs, and have never achieved. Yet, America allows them dominion over us and we wonder why our country is rotting away.

They are fortunate that most Americans are morons, products of incestuous relationships, brain-dead, illiterates who learned nothing in school of in life, grass eating sheep who are accustomed to being nudged from one pasture to another. No other explanation is possible for the fact that people like Obama and Hillary Clinton hold high office. This is a national disgrace and is justification for the gods to destroy us for the sin of electing such human garbage.

alphonse jones
You said, "but if an attack were to occur, the lefties would be wandering aroun d with glazed eyes aski ng how could this happen".

That will LITERALLY be true.

In the news we've been hearing lately about uncovered terrorist plots aimed at targets on American soil - and indeed since 9/11, this common thread has been present almost without exception in every foiled or uncovered terrorist plot aimed at targets right here at home that I've heard of in the last 8 years - have you noticed what invariably seem to be the desired targets of these plots? LIBERAL ENCLAVES. Such as New York City. Such as Washington DC (as Knight notes on THIS thread, THIS is the city H. Rap Brown wistfully talked about hitting with a "little bomb").

So all evidence is that if Obama's national security policies, if it's proper to even CALL them that, open the way to a devastating Islamist terrorist attack on American soil, it is EXTREMELY likely that the target will be a population center whose people likely voted quite preponderantly for Obama. Which means that many of the very same people that helped put Obama into office will also do most of the dying for him in such an attack. Sounds like poetic justice to ME.

I don't know where in Arizona you lived, but even if it's in the Phoenix or Tucson areas, I'll bet you're probably not losing any sleep over the possibility of EITHER city being particularly high on Islamist terrorist hit lists in this country. I'm CERTAINLY not concerned that where I live, here in the Kansas City area, is a high-value target to Islamist terrorists - even though K.C. DOES have a lot of barbeques that serve pork. So, nope, I don't figure EITHER of us is likely to be lost in an Islamist terrorist attack on our soil unless we happen to be visiting a heavily-liberal enclave at the wrong time.

Mr Knight wrote:
Dearborn Shoot-Out Opens a Window into Homegrown Terror
=========

The blinds are pulled on 35 Muslim Terrorist Training Camps all across the USA though.

Osama Bin Ladin had just a couple of these in Afghanistan, and America sent in the Military.

In America, they do not even get any Press.

We send the Military over to Afghanistan to fight and die to close these camps, but here at home the Government says they cannot do anything about them.

quote:

Gov't can't shut down terrorist training camps in U.S.
Ryan Mauro, a terrorism analyst for CAN, says the video exposes the terrorist training activities at 35 compounds in the U.S., run by a Pakistani national known as Sheik Muburak Ali Gilani. Compounds identified in the documentary are located near communities like Commerce, Georgia; Hancock, New York; and Red House, Virginia.

"You see them setting off explosives, training how to kill guards, highjack cars, all forms of terrorist attacks," Mauro says of the film. "And he actually says on this video if you want training in these tactics [to] contact any of my Muslim in America compounds in the United States."

Ryan Mauro (Christian Action Network)But Mauro says, incredibly, the U.S. government does not have the authority to shut the camps down. "The big problem here is that his group is not listed as a foreign terrorist organization by the State Department," he points out. "So the authorities don't have the legal authority to go and shut these places down."

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Security/Default.aspx?id=418566


Video here:
35 jihad training compounds on American soil
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/02/35-jihad-training-compoun ds-on-american-soil.html


standshisground
but if an attack were to occur, the lefties would be wandering aroun d with glazed eyes aski ng how could this happen when the prince of peace was ordained as holy by the nobel committee.

But 9/11 was planned during the clinton years and he was the best friend the muzzies ahd had in america up to that time.

The thing most worrisome should be which group of muzzies decides they can make their bones, to borrow from the mafia, by attacking the great satan.

Plus they have the added incentive of knowing the messiah will stand by and do nothing claiming we can't punish the muzzies because we don't know who did this.

Meanwhile the saudi's continue to keep their most loyal subject, the acorn thug kowtowing to the muzzies

alphonse jones
You pondered, "But I wonder what the lefties will do when the weakness of the messiah encourages the muzzies to do further atrocities and possibly again attack america".

That's an easy one.

They'll do the same thing they ALWAYS do whenever Obama shows his inadequacies:

BLAME BUSH!

And the more devastating the attack, the likelier it is that Obama and the Democrats WILL blame Bush. If the attack is REALLY devastating, I doubt the smoke from the attack will even have cleared before they're blaming George Bush.

And in fact, if the muzzies DO launch a devastating attack on American soil before the 2012 election, I hope they DO blame Bush, and the sooner the better!

This will do two things.

One, it will pretty much dissipate any nationwide "rally around the president" sentiment, like we saw in the immediate aftermath of 9/11: you didn't see George Bush getting on the TV and trying to shift blame onto Bill Clinton.

Two, it will show the American people just how out of his depth in the White House that Obama REALLY is. The Kool-Aid drinkers on the left are probably too far gone to get through to on that - but I think a lot of the moderates and independents who voted for Obama last year aren't.


the muzzies are really thyat stupid
seems their citadels of hatred stand out like sore thumbs everywhere.

My guess is that if they do more terrorism in this country, americans determined to defend america will haqve no qualms about reduced those mosques/terrorist centers will be reduced to rubble and lots of martyrs departing for p[arasdise

hannah
it seems the lefties see every enemy of america as another victim that must be appeased.

For the left there is only one enemy and that is the repubs and the things they represent. Since they view repubs as war mongers, by extension the muzzies are innocent victims brutalized by the repubs.

But I wonder what the lefties will do when the weakness of the messiah encourages the muzzies to do further atrocities and possibly again attack america.

The messiah is dropping to his knees to appease the muzzies but they laugh at him for his weakness and know he will never criticize their brutality.

Why would he, he wants to be loved and now that the nobel committee has named him the prince of peace, he can't stand up to anyone except the repubs and all americans who disagree with his socialism

Hannah: Good question! I suggest that

you ask one or two of the liberals on TH.

In fact, you might want to ask doofuss (Hal Donahue) who forever defends all mooslims.

In fact, doofuss is beside himself that three... THREE, detainees were waterboarded, in spite of the fact that the "information" they ultimately gave up, only AFTER they'd been waterboarded, save countless American lives.


Why do liberals love radical Muslims?
Can someone explain why liberals want to empower radical Muslims? These jihadis are the most conservative people on the planet. They treat women like dogs and gays even worse. They make Archie Bunker seem like Mr. Rogers.

I still cannot figure where they get their feelings of superiority. Everywhere they are in charge is a mess. The only thing they can produce is babies, and those are not very intelligent either.

We cannot allow these knuckle draggers to conquer the West without a fight. Charles Martel, we need you again!

JUST STEP ASIDE.
I've been saying this for several years about Muslims in general. If we just stay out of their way, they will kill each other off eventually.

All they want to do is kill. It is their national pastime. If they suddenly had all their demands met by the "infidels" they would melt down and have an identity crisis because they would have no reason to hate. They would have to then start killing each other just to have something to do.

The situation in Pakistan is a good example. Since these imbeciles can’t get to the United States to kill the “great Satan” they turn their rage on each other and start killing their own.

I would say they are all animals, but that would give animals a bad name.

I wonder
If a muslim killed a homosexual would that be a hate crime? And if a homosexual killed a
muslim would that be a hate crime...just wondering since the DemonRATS cravenly sneaked the bill through as an amendment on a must pass appropriations bill.

MUSLIM LORDS VS. GAY MOVEMENT
It will happen.

Why don't we Conservatives who promote Marriage and Family values JUST STEP ASIDE.

Let these two factions meet on the battleground of DESPAIR that they would have us submit to.

LET THEM KILL EACH OTHER...

Then we can resume our normal lives.

ROWDY BOOTS

The Constitution
While the first amendment provides us safety and non-discrimination while practicing our chosen religion. People, have no doubt, Islam is, and has been a perverted concoction of Judaism, Christianity, and paganism dreamed up by a barbarian who wanted to justify his chosen path in life. To kill, maim, decapitate, or otherwise force his will on others, while stealing, killing, maiming, and raping his way through much of the middle east. When mainstream Muslims stand up en-mass, condemn the senseless killing of innocent men, women, and children to further their evil goals of converting the whole world, or killing those who will not be converted, them I will take them seriously. Go ahead muslims, prove me wrong, stand up now, because you can't beat the west, you know it and we know it, and if you manage to bring the fight to us, you will lose. We don't want any part of your 14th century government, your laws, your customs, or your religion. So, if you wish to survive, you might re-think your communication methods and stop acting like barbarians. Maybe them the world will allow you to share space here on earth with the rest of us civilized people.

Tyler finally got it right.
We need to get rid of the conservative right wing extremist terrorist /Moslems/.

Or is Tyler going to insist the Moslems are liberals?

President Obama
is keeping us safe!

Now we need to get rid of the right wing extremist terrorists.

The following statement is not PC

Every Mosque on US soil needs to be bull-dozed to the ground.

No, no, no, nope, can't be...
This simply cannot be. This must be more rightwing media lies.

...for I know, and I've been told for nearly a decade now, that Islam is a "religion of peace."

The rap on Brown
H. Rap Brown is a vile criminal. Neither his race nor his religious fervor are defenses for his behavior. A double cop-killer is not someone who should be outside prison walls. When he dies, hopefully he'll join Stokely Carmichael in hell.

Well
there is a whole DemonRAT party that is still operating at Sept 10th levels. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil..unless the person (s) are speaking against Barry and his cabal and their marxist agenda.
Not to worry, Holder will let the perps walk.

Send them back to Africa
Somalia ought to make these people feel right at home. Plenty of Muslim violence to occupy all their time and keep them happy.

Those who ignore this might not be dogs
- but are stupider than dogs.
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