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Sunday, June 01, 2008
Robert Bluey :: Townhall.com Columnist
Republicans Fumble the Farm Bill
by Robert Bluey
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When lawmakers return to Capitol Hill this week, a group of House Republicans known as the FIT Force will unveil an effort to expose Washington waste. Led by Rep. Thaddeus McCotter (R-Mich.), this newly formed Fiscal Integrity Task Force wants to hold congressional spendthrifts accountable for their excesses.

McCotter’s goal is admirable—and one that all Americans, regardless of ideology, should support. Unfortunately, the group’s timing couldn’t be worse. That’s because McCotter and half of the FIT Force members themselves abandoned fiscal integrity less than two weeks ago. That’s when they voted to override President Bush’s veto of the farm bill, a $307 billion monstrosity that will cost the average U.S. family about $5,650.

Farm income has doubled since the 2002 farm bill. Commodity prices are the highest ever. Yet Congress couldn’t bring itself to not increase subsidies for millionaire farmers.

A majority of House Republicans joined nearly all Democrats to hop on this gravy train, despite opposition from Bush and the party’s putative standard bearer, Sen. John McCain, a longtime critic of farm subsidies.

Despite the FIT Force defections on the farm bill, McCotter intends to plow ahead with his “comprehensive assault on Washington waste.”

“Excessive spending has rightfully raised doubts about the fiscal integrity of the federal budget and, most importantly, concern by taxpayers for their family budgets,” McCotter said in a press release less than 24 hours after voting to override Bush’s veto.

The co-chairman of the FIT Force, Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Tex.), was also among those supporting parochial interests. In fact, nine other FIT Force members voted to override the veto, as did Minority Whip Roy Blunt (Mo.) and Republican Conference Chairman Adam Putnam (Fla.). Even with a scorecard, the farm vote made it hard to tell the difference between self-proclaimed fiscal watchdogs and the traditional tax-and-spenders of the left.

Republican Chief Deputy Whip Eric Cantor (Va.), who opposed the farm bill and voted to uphold Bush’s veto, sounded beleaguered after his Republican colleagues dug themselves a deeper grave. “The vote on the farm bill has definitely been a challenge, if you look at it as regaining our fiscal brand,” Cantor told the Washington Post.

The situation wasn’t much better in the Senate, where the GOP leader, Mitch McConnell (Ky.), chose home-state pork over principle. Granted, McConnell’s tough re-election bid and parochial interests made it unlikely for him to oppose the bill, but his lack of leadership led 34 other Republicans to vote for the override.

If there’s a silver lining, it’s that the titular conservatives who supported the farm bill will likely get another chance to do the right thing—at least when it comes to one section of the bill. Because of a clerical error, Title III of the legislation, which deals with trade, was never sent to Bush. Despite the mistake, Democrats moved forward with the override vote, knowing they would have to do something about the missing 34 pages after their Memorial Day recess.

A coalition led by the National Taxpayers Union and Citizens Against Government Waste hopes to convince lawmakers to vote against the missing section of the bill to demonstrate at least some commitment to fiscal responsibility. The taxpayer watchdogs cite several objectionable provisions:

• It spends $200 million annually on a corporate welfare program that gives crop manufacturers and food processors taxpayer money to market their products overseas.

• It props up domestic logging interests with a “U.S. Importer Declaration Program” that would keep out low-cost timber products from international competitors.

• It requires USAID to contribute up to $60 million to a doomsday “seed bank” in Norway.

• It funds the McGovern-Dole Food for Education program at a cost of $84 million for child development and food security in foreign countries.

Although sustaining a veto on this title would certainly send a message in support of fiscal restraint, it would probably be too little too late for Republicans to “regain their fiscal brand.”

Of course, the same can be said about Bush’s sudden desire to get tough with Congress on spending. Had he played hardball at the time of the last farm bill in 2002, the GOP might not be in this predicament today.

Creation of the FIT Force shows that McCotter and his Republican colleagues understand the need to take back the brand of fiscal responsibility. However, this is a full-time responsibility and needs to be treated as such. The farm bill was most certainly a lost opportunity.

 

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Robert B. Bluey is director of the Center for Media & Public Policy at The Heritage Foundation and maintains a blog at RobertBluey.com
 
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My representative, Spencer Bachus, is a republican in a safe seat who's voted for this farm bill as well as a lot of Bush's government expansions (including Medicare prescriptions).

But he's a co-sponsor of the FairTax.


So, should I vote for him for the FairTax, or vote Libertarian Party because of his spending ways?

Chris, go FairTax
FairTax will unfortunately never happen the pols wont give up the power. But we need to keep screaming about the obscene level of taxation or it'll get worse.

End all subsidies
As usual, the political prostit*tes in DC are spending money that isn't theirs to spend and isn't enumerated in the Constitution.

The farm bill is representative of their pork-barrel mentality, but there are so many other insane subsidies such as education.

Congress should end ALL federal subsidies and CUT taxes.


Amen on Saxby Chambliss
Chambliss got off to a relatively good start in the senate but has become one of the more prolific pork-barrel spenders. May his career be a very short one...

It Just Goes to Show You...
that the GOP establishment is liberal-lite, and talking out both sides of their mouths.

I see that Inhofe, a Senator whom a lot of conservatives praise for his steadfastness to conservative principles voted for the over-ride.

And Tom Coburn, who has been busy the last few weeks running around telling everyone that the GOP needs to return to its conservative roots, wasn't present to vote.

It's time true conservatives band together, since the GOP, despite vows to the contrary, has abandoned us for the lure of Washington gold.
Check out Norman's blog at http://blogatorium.blogtownhall.com/ for ideas how we can make a difference.

Too Late
The ever increasing corruption in our politics will destroy any competitive edge American farmers ever had. On the one hand, excessive subsidies result in lazy, uninspired farming practices for the sake of buying votes. On the other hand, farmers are subject to excessive, frivolous regulations, the main factor in increasingly high cost in producing food, while desperate, draconian protectionist barriers are put in place keeping our consumers from having access to higher quality and lower cost food.
Brazilian farmers are the world's most competitive today exactly because, instead of getting government handouts, they pay heavy taxes and therefore must strive to be highly efficient or die.
A good example is Sugar Cane ethanol. When they started this program 35 years ago, they were heavily subsidized. Back then they were getting a net yield per unit of crude of 1 : 1.7 units of ethanol. After the subsidies ended (17 years ago) they had to increase this yield significantly for this concept to remain viable. Today the yield is 1 : 8.3 units.
From corn, America must input 1 unit petroleum for a puny yield of 1.3 units ethanol.

Kimberly
Your observations about "tainted" beef are, in principle, correct. However, the rather remote possibility of undetected mad cow disease is definitely not the problem. American beef, poultry and dairy farmers are allowed to use massive, pre-emptive amounts of anti biotics and anabolic steroids ("Growth Hormones")to enhance productivity. These hormones are strictly forbidden in most countries and, if caught using them, jail sentences are the norm.
As far as "not enough regulations", you obviously have no clue. American farmers are among the world's most "regulated", as every tyrannical bureaucratic institution of ours bullies itself into "controling" them to the point where increasing numbers are just giving up farming alltogether. See if you can find imported Brazilian beef, you will love it, it's 100% free of antibiotics and hormones and it tastes so much better.

This is a joke right?
Coming right on the heels of the massive farm bill and a commitment to ethanol we get a "fiscal" pander. Next week we will see the economy busting Global Warming Bill which no doubt will have overwhelming republican support.

I doubt that there are more than a handful of republicans left in the congress. The RINO brand, championed by John McCain, is now the norm.

CHRIS
Vote against him for both reasons. The unFAIR Tax is a ripp-off for the vast majority of Americans.

We have become the Neo-soviet Union now with one party; the Republicrats on the one side and the Demopubs on the other. The bread lines will not be far behind.

Unbeleiveable

Dear Mr Bluey,

The Republicans (90%) no longer vote like Republicans. They are just as bad if not worse than the Democrats because they talk a good game and then turn around and vote for obscene pork spending that benefits them specifically.

They are functioning under the "Except for me" mentality which is destroying our Party.

Mitch McConnell should be leading the charge on waste and instead he is gorging. Sounds like most Republicans AREN'T Republicans and beleive all things start and end with them just as government should be the source of all things.

Revolting that they are willing to destroy America just to bribe their way into another reelection. What have we won by keeping these folks in power? Nothing but an additional $5,000 of family expenses.

Evertime I notice the cost of food, I'll be thinking about all of those Republicans who voted for themselves rather then for America.

Limited Government

Federal spending has become so large it is destroying America and the Republican Party.

Congratulation Republicans for tossing out the window everything that your supporters (grassroots) beleive in.

The more government spending the more Democrats there will be because there will be more that somehow benefit from government and are therefore willing to cede their liberty.

The Dependents

The dependents of Fedeal subsidy know that Democrats are much more reliable spenders than Republican so I think Republicans will be in the minority a long, long time.

They can't have much in terms of grassroots which is bad for McCain.

I also think Mitch McConnell and the rest of those who voted for the Farm bill need to switch parties.

You Can Make A Difference
if you will have the guts to vote in new blood into Congress.

I don't care what party you belong to, it is time to vote for anyone who is running against the incombent in your State.

However, that is not enough, get behind who ever you pick, but be firm with THEM that the only way they get your vote is if they back your values in Congress and not go along for the ride or the next time around you will vote them out also.

If we speak out and then follow up with what WE say, then both Republicans and Democrats will get the picture and then change begins.

NOT Obama change, but change for the better for America.

The Democratic Party is worse then the Republican Party when it comes to raising taxes and supporting the illegal aliens with our tax dollars. Be very careful who you vote for.

Joy

Re: Poll for the audience
Chris, I would probably vote for Spencer Bachus because of his co-sponsorship of the FairTax and then hold his feet to the fire. The time will come, very soon, when the Fair Tax supporters will be a force that decides who goes and who stays in Washington. Make sure he knows that. Rally the supporters in your state to individually write to him and let him know that he is under the microscope. Let him know that hey voted him in and they will vote him out if he doesn't shape up.

To John Doe: When you say "The Fair tax will never happen because the pols won't give up the power", you are playing into their hands. Politicians and their backers are actually paying people to spread that propaganda because they know the FairTax is coming and they want to put it off as long as possible. Don't do their work for free! There is a saying that you can't fight city hall. Not only can you fight City hall but you can win. Can't is an ugly word that always leads to defeat.

Another popular phrase is "If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem". It's trite but I think in your case it is appropriate.

Joy

Good advice.

Getting Some of Our Money Back?
You sound like you think it is GOVERNMENT that produces the wealth and the tax revenue! If you're honest, I am sure you will admit that the American taxpayers' money is what these establishment party sleazeballs in Washington extort out of us to build their empires and keep their power. Then after "administrative expenses," they dole out ten cents on the dollar to make us behave. Given this rotten system, what is the matter with trying to get at least some of our money back? The problem is with hypocrites like McCostCutter (McCain) who opposes tax cuts which would keep our money from going out there in the first place. But he's been on the public payroll all his life, so it's no wonder he doesn't understand such economics. How about dumping McAmnesty and nominating a small government, low taxes conservative and we wouldn't have to read columns on pork?

By the way, aren't the astronomical military budgets McAmnesty can hardly wait to bloat a form of pork? No waste there, right McAmnesty? Better to oppose biofuels development to keep your oil buddies from having any competition.

Republicans or Conservatives ---
Ho Hum. What's New Today? Repubs, here's your choice, go to the polls and vote for a "Republican," don't vote, or vote for a Democrat. Who selected the Republicans that we get to vote for? Of all the people in the US, who selected McShame? Well, if 95% of you didn't select McShame, how did he get where he is? I'm finished with them until someone half decent shows up.

hmmmm
Senator McConnell you are my home state Senator and i am watching on this and i think i might just go ahead and vote for Bruce Lunsford, as at least i know he is a crack pot liberal. And that means he will be an idiot who will vote to go down the path of more socialism. Hey i voted for you Senator McConnell on voting against trash like the Farm Bill. But if you are going to vote for it then why did i vote for you and why should i vote for you again.

Joy
The Democrats may be worse on taxes, but the Republicans are worse on spending. The budget increased from $1.88 trillion to $3.25 trillion between 2000 and 2009. That's an 80% increase, and the largest in our history - period. To pay for it, Congress has borrowed a record amount of money, as each year, the average deficit for the last 8 years has been $500 billion. The Republicans spend and borrow, the Democrats spend and tax. The Republican formula now has us spending $330 billion a year on the interest we pay on our borrowings. Those tax dollars are now gone, as we've loaded the debt on future generations. Add to this the fact that those borrowings, in combination with the Fed's interest policies, have caused the dollar to lose 40% of its value. So, when you go to the pump, keep in mind that you'd be paying $2.40 per gallon for gas if the dollar was equal to the Euro - which it was few years ago. That extra $1.50 - $1.60 is the "tax" Americans now pay, in large part because of our chronic overspending a deficits.

So, tell me. Would you rather pay a direct tax to pay for spending, or would you rather pay an extra $1.60 per gallone for gas?

The bottom line is that the GOP's policies are no better than the Democrats. If you spend, you have to pay for it - and they don't, because they have a base that naively trumpets the "no-tax" ideal - which they continue to parrot. While borrowing to pay for their spending.

Don't think spending
will go down with McCain. His support of the Warner/Liberman bill is enough to cause great damage to our economy. Consider the cost alone to set up another bureacracy to administer this hoax.

Criminal Negligence

There is criminal negligence on a local, State and Federal level in regards to what they spend our tax money on.

We have plenty of bridges that need to be rebuilt, plenty of water projects that need to be built, school choice to actually educate our children.

I think Congress and especially Republicans (because they state they beleive in life, liberty and property) are being criminally negligent.

The Democrats have stated they are socialist, that they beleive more government is for their benefit - and they are right. They don't want a Democracy - a Republic, they want a dependent people they can control.

America is being destroyed by the very people we entrust with this representative fiduciary responsibility.

They have failed us and it looks like they will continue to do so.

Get used to not only a recession but a depression - everything is pointing to own diminishment - and it came from within.

George Soros must be SO happy. China and Russia must be so happy. Saudia Arabia and Iran and Syria and North Korea must be cheering on the politicians everytime they limit our freedom by growing government.

I bet the Chinese are saying to themselves - why look they are emulating us so we must be right.

Indians are saying three years before they surpass the US.

Please congress, kill the dream some more. Come on, can't remember why you chant fidelity to the flag? Forgotten why you like America? Forgotten your ethics and integrity? Planning to move out of country when you retire or are you think "I'll be safe. I've stolen enough "

I have had it with liars and theives.


When in doubt
When in doubt vote against the incumbent. If you're losing faith in your guy and you're not sure if you should vote for him again go ahead and vote 3rd party. It's the guys in the safe seat who seem to do all the damage.

No Way Out
How far we've fallen how quickly. And all the fixes people suggest seem to be far too little - too late. If you read Will's article on cap and spend, look at the various health care "solutions", and add both to this one, the continued drift into insolvency seems irreversible. One poster commented not long ago that it was a miserable election. It certainly is. Oh, granted McCain looks and acts a little wiser than Obama, but how does voting for either solve the countries real problems? We have chronically high record budget deficits, the most rapid expansion of spending in our history, huge balance of payments deficits that have grown from $100 B to $800 B in ten years, and a dollar that has lost 40% of its value. And while these brain dead types continue on this track, the costs of all those wonderful entitlements are ramping us faster than tax revenues as the 75 million boomers have started to retire. And, then add to that the complete mess we have with illegal immigration. 12 million to 20 million people or more live here without papers, and we're adding 1 million or more every year. We can't find them, we can't process them, and we can't stop them. We're in complete gridlock. The politicians and elites are competing for Hispanic votes - while ignoring the countries future. It's all about me - and all about now - and all about the next election.

Some say vote the incumbents out. That's fine. If enough people do it. But the reality is that most won't. They'll substitute some Democrats for Republicans, and we'll get McCain as opposed to Obama. The entitlement generation appears to have won.

Jeff

I look at Jerry Connelly(D) Fairfax who enter the seminary to avoid the Vietnam war and left at its end, the phenomenal debt that Fairfax has accrued under his "stewardship and Lslie Byrne who want to cut military spendin so she can spend mre on social programs and I think..this is a mad, mad world.

Democras and Republican don't beleive in enumerated powers but be sureto hear the Republicans defend the military.

Funny how dependency on government always leads to the erosion of the military and competativeness(see Europe).

Jeff, I don't know what the solution is. Thanks to McCain this is how the game is played and he put our necks willingly on the block. I seems to me it doesn't matter who we elect - in order for them to "survive" they cede their integrity.

Since every leader in my city is Democrat I dread in no uncertain terms what is to come.

They are destroying America one little "exception" at a time. They don't want us to have liberty because they wouldn't have a hold over us. The can't lead so they steal, demoralize the population and show specifically how little part they play in our evolving Socialist government.

We cant get the populationto mobiize because everyone is getting a piece o the action except for samll business - they are the ones folks like to suck dry. They are the lst truely inventive and independent people in the united states and we area dyin breed. Just increase axes sowe have to let peoplego, then increasetaxes again to pay those benefits so we can afford to rent retail or office space and then whe our business fail you they can thenraise taxes to pay our uneployment.

See then the politicains will own everyone.

Isn't that brilliant?






Sorry for the typos

I'm understandable upset so my spelling always gets worse. With George Will's article on Cap and trade I see the end game and I'm horrified.

Let's all just go
back to the farm.

Farming
is the one industry we probably should outsource. It's low tech and doesn't produce high paying jobs. Yet we subsidize this industry with billions of dollars per year and let our manufacturing jobs go overseas.

Republican Fiscal Restraint
Hhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahah. That's a good one.

Wait, you weren't serious, right?

Kimberly
You ignorant twit.I live in the midwest,and I eat beef 2 or 3 times aweek.I also have had beef slaughtered at a local meat locker and never got sick.Wise up and only talk about things you may know something about.Although from your past posts that could be a problem.

Jax33
Your right, of course. We had a dairy farm, and drank whole milk and fresh cream, and made our own cheese. The horrors of the fact is that we never pastuerized it - meaning cooked it. Americans these days don't even know what "real milk" or "real cream" or "real cheese" or "real ice cream" even taste like. Let alone what the pies, breads, cakes and the like made from these products taste like. We also slaughtered our own beef, lambs and pigs. The rendering truck would come out - we'd select and shoot the animal, winch it up, gut it, and quarter it. Then we'd take it down, cut it up, and put it in the freezer in our basement or the meat locker we had in town. This is what we used to call food, and it was this food that America ate - until of course, the late 50's came along. Then, we ceded the power to the government. Now, people get their sanitized lack of choice and call it food. Legally, I can't even buy the real thing anymore. Even the local farmers are reluctant to sell it because the government says no.

Choice is still choice. The right law is that if you want to make pasteurized etc. product available - fine. But they have no business making fresh and properly labelled food that happens not to be pastuerized - illegal. But that's what they've done. It's simply one reason on my laundry list that I can't stand the government. They have become their own kind of health nazi's. American's are too stupid to make decisions - according to them - so they just outlaw things.


I am amazed
OK.....lets bash the farm bill. The paltry amount that actually goes to farmers is peanuts compared to the rest of it.
It seems we are on a sinking ship. We have borrowed our way to perpetual debt, which China holds the most off, can't seem to stop or slow spending. It is a sickness. Who to vote for?
Libertarian seems to be the only one left. Repubs left the train station 8 years ago.

Republican's didn't learn in 2006
What the Farm Bill taught was that the Republicans didn't learn in 2006. There was a LOT of bad stuff in the farm bill, ranging anywhere from the cap at $1.5 million to the inflated floors for crop prices. All of this proved that the Republicans CANNOT be fiscally responsible. Sadly, neither can the Democrats, but if I am electing legislators who can be bought at least I want ones who stay bought.

The Republicans are now speaking "holier than thou" as they vote for pork, open borders, and amnesty. Makes me want to vote Democrat, which will be a new thing for me.

Bad rap
I read somewhere that only 17% of this funding actually goes to farm programs. The rest is for food stamps, food for schools programs, and other welfare unrelated to farming.

Another fact: while farm incomes may have doubled in 6 yrs, inputs have generally quadrupled. Fuel is up 3x, fertilizer up 10x, seed up 5x, land prices and rental rates have doubled, etc. Nobody every mentions that. Only people making money are the bankers, and people who rent their ground to farmers who are foolish enough to pay it.


Fumble is charitable, but Dumbocrats ...
Fumble is a charitable statement for the Republicans. However, I have harsher words for the Dumbocrats - which I will not post, but leave to your own imigination!

Don't ignore increasing input costs
"Farming is the one industry we probably should outsource. It's low tech and doesn't produce high paying jobs." Wow is someone asleep and not knowing what it takes in the real world of farming. Do we really want to outsource our food that we all rely on daily to survive to other countries? That would sure have a negative impact on rural America.


This article is like most others that totally ignore the continuing record inputs that farmers must pay to produce a crop and that crop crop prices have leveled off going into a new crop year but inputs coninue up.

where is the reset button?
where is the reset button for this govt?


i understand that politics is a game that looks odd from the outside.

it is getting harder and harder to not belive the wacky conspericy theorists.

sometimes it seems like our govt is actually TRYING to wreck the country.

limited government, supply and demand
hatley, this is simple. It doesn't matter how much money farmers are making, or what their costs are.

The government should NOT intervene between parties that want to engage in commerce.

If there are too many people farming, producing more food than is demanded, prices will fall to the point where people can't make money farming. The solution is for some to quit farming and do something else, NOT for the government to take MY money and give it to farmers to NOT grow food so that I have to pay MORE for food.

If my food price goes up because there aren't enough farmers or input prices have risen, that's fine.

Life's tough all over. deal with it - but don't try to use the police power of the state to take money from some citizens and give it to others so they can do what they want.

Enough blame to go around
While I agree that the republican party has lost it way on fiscal restraint, let's not forget that the democrats with 40 years of controlling congress wrote the book on earmarks and big government spending.
Seeing as how this "bring home the bacon" gets them reelected, do we as constituents not bear some responsibility. This "not in my backyard" also extends to "yours congressman/woman brings home pork but mine is brings home much needed help."
How soon we forget. In 1995 when Newt and the republican leadership tried to reform spending they were tarred and feathered for wanting to "starve children" and the voters chose not to reelect them, putting the democrats back in charge. The voters wanted what they offered but they didn't want to pay the price so they deserted the party.
What message do you think that delivered to the to the republican party?

So this time around instead of the mantra of "starving the children" the democrats are now screaming "big spenders" while they are even more guilty by wanting a total takeover of the market place of healthcare, attacking private businesses for making a profit and even threatening to take over the oil companies.

It is all about propaganda and the MSM helps the democrats get their message out while castigating the republicans.

The Moms and Dads that refuses to buy every new fangled gadget for their teenager is not popular, but in the end they will be victorious if they have taught their child to be fiscally responsibile.
I am sorry that Newt and the republican leaders caved to the ranting and raving of the democrats that are bent on a socialist government.
But bottom line is we get exactly what we vote for.

Are we still paying...??
Farmers not to grow crops? Iam sorry folks I just don't understand this type of excrete?
I can understand people to pay me not to sing
but paying farmers for doing nothing !!Is this
that welfare stuff that we so-called conserv-
atives rave against? Hey, Iam on to something here!Those who want to do nothing get paid for their wishes--do nothing! I can be the KING of that too, if D.C. is gonna pay me for doing nuttin'?!
elvis

JohnnyP
As radio talkshow host Jim Quinn is fond of saying, "The 2nd Amendment is the reset button on the Constitution."

Let's roll it back

Let's roll back entitlements to BEFORE Johnson's War on poverty.

And Contryman, our foundng fathers said

"That wenever an For of Government becomes destructive of these ends (Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness), it is the Rght f the Peole to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such princples and organizing its powers in sucha form, as to them shall seem most likely to effec their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience has shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than o right themselves by abolishingthe fom to which they are accustomed. BUT when a long tain of abuses and USURPATIONS, pursueing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism,it i their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government and to provide new guards fortheir future security.


Such has been our suffering --

Such has been our suffering since the 1960's but most especially in the last five years.

I agree with the previous poster that suggests simply to not support the incumbents.

The only problem is Democrats are unlikely to vote out their own as they want these usurpations of our liberty and property.

And so we are powerless to change this death spiral. If we remove the betrayers of conservative principles it will merely give Democrats a carte blanche on stiffling regulation, government health care and punishing debt and taxes.

So - what to do? For certainly voting a third party also is not the answer.

Conservative principles still work, but it appears very few actually use them in their daily working lives in the US Congress and Senate.

Milton Friedman's right to chose is of a bygone time as politicians have drifted into the delusion that they have all the answers when sometimes the best thing to do is to simply get out of the way of the consequences.




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Countryman - that is a good quip (dangerous to think about... but it does add some perspective).

Repubs and farm bills - actually, I remember Bush and Repub controlled congress changing the course on farm welfare. If I remember correctly, during the '90s we broke the back of huge farm subsidies... and they had been trending downward. Then Bush came into office and the Repubs got the house and senate, and promptly started increasing subsidies.

After looking at the past 15 to 20 years, the main differences between the parties is that one is minor... they are both big government / big spenders... pro govt control.

One likes guns... the other likes gays...


A message to my senator
Senator Cornyn R-TX,
I was a contributor to your campaign and a supporter of yours in the primary. You can no longer count on my money or my vote. I had to choose this venue since you have no place on your website for your constituents to air grievances. I will also refuse to vote for Sen. Hutchison when her re-election comes due. I will no longer support any candidate who does not put the good of all Americans ahead of pandering.

Saga Continues
The GOP in Congress has been fumbling the ball
for the last 8yrs. Other than the R at the end of their names, most of them look more like Dems than Republicans. Gov't in general is so corrupt the majority of these elected thugs stink to high heaven!!!!

The double edged sword
Thad Cochran of Mississippi came out often slamming John McCain. He made the 'sends cold shivers down my spine' kind of comment.

Funny thing was Thad Cochran got defeated.

Funnier thing was the article in the current TH magazine showing Thad Cochran was the biggest porker at the trough in Congress.

Some of these pigs are getting slaughtered in the voting booths!

Chris
My vote is that you should do everything in your power to help get rid of that turd. If he is disloyal to limited government ideals in those other arenas you mentioned, he is not likely to be loyal to any given tax scheme, either. He may be grandstanding, or he may be sincere about wanting the Fair Tax but more concerned with political expediency.

Either way, he cannot learn his lesson if he keeps being rewarded for his behavior by being re-elected. Like other GOP pols, he is probably of the mindset that he can always count on your fear of the Democrats to cause you to overlook the fact that he has become indistinguishable from a Democrat.

These pols will NEVER reform until they are made to understand in no uncertain terms that the gig is up.

I say lets go after...

I say we encourage those in the Democrat districts to go after the Dem porkers.

Lets hit hard with grassroots in the backyard of these socialist Democrats.

Yes the Democrats want 50% OF YOUR MONEY TO GO TO SUBSIDIES - THAT'S WHAT THE DEMOCRATS CONSIDER FAIR.

at least McCain voted against the pork
McCain is no prize, but at least he was a proper "maverick" on this issue, voting against this round of pork.

Johnny come lately
So now fiscal restraint is in vogue. Too little, too late. This last minute save-my-hide effort will be seen for what it is---an attempt to hoodwink voters into complacency with the current folks in power. It aint workin'!

During the primaries...
you choose the candidate that will run to represent you. Once the general election gets here you basically vote for your party.

The time to replace the dead weight in DC is during the primary process. Get a conservative to run at primary time and get them elected.

I think the election process is too disjointed. The primaries are too early. Most people are not paying attention to primaries so they simply vote for name recognition. That is why incumbents keep winning.

Our representative election system needs a real colonic in order to function as it should instead of function to keep incumbents in office. Our country is really in trouble but many people are so worried about their own situations that they are not thinking clearly about what these current shysters will do if they get elected.

McCain is a good fiscal reformer
This is an issue where he has remained consistent. His opposition to earmarks, subsidies, and pork-barrel spending compensates for some of his failures like campaign finance reform. As president, McCain will work to implement an ambitious fiscal reform agenda, will continue to fight our war against terror, and will nominate moderate supreme court judges (O'Connor may not be Scalia but sure beats Ginsburg).

Overall, McCain will advance the conservative movement enough to make up for his weaker attributes.

Deacon
"The time to replace the dead weight in DC is during the primary process. Get a conservative to run at primary time and get them elected."

Well said!
We tried that in PA last time, running Pat Toomey against Specter in the primary, and there was a huge grassroot support for Toomey; but Bush and the RNCC threw all its weight and funds behind Specter, and even at that, Specter squeaked by with just a 2 point margin.

The key is to defund the RNCC which automatically backs the incumbents.

OLD MCDONALD HAD A FARM !!
EI,EI,VOTE FOR MCCAIN-PALIN,THE O DUDE IS UN-AMERICAN!

America is suffering
America is suffering unlawful deception from the Alinsky group.
Group u$urp$ power on January 20th—the constitution violated.
The United States Supreme Court alone can relieve this outrage.

example: Bogus Selective Service System FOIA Registration?
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_d id_n.html
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