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Sunday, December 23, 2007
Robert Bluey :: Townhall.com Columnist
Big Labor's Unfulfilled Wish List
by Robert Bluey
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The federal government’s union watchdog agency will have to get by on less next year. The mammoth omnibus spending bill passed last week hacks nearly $3 million from the Office of Labor Management Standards -- a small gift for Big Labor just in time for Christmas.

The budget cut was a setback for the office, which has recouped more than $100 million for American workers since 2001 as a result of increased enforcement. The Bush Administration had sought to increase the agency’s budget to $56.88 million. Now, however, it will fall to $44.93 million for this fiscal year.

Though the cut is unwelcome, the office managed to dodge an even more dramatic change. Democrats dropped their plan to restrict funding for the collection of conflict-of-interest reports. The newly revised LM-30 form had angered union bosses because it requires union officers or employees to “disclose possible conflicts between personal interests and the officer’s or employee’s duty to the union and its members.”

Although the conflict-of-interest requirement dates back to the Labor Management Reporting and Disclosure Act, enacted in 1959, the agency’s revised version makes it harder for union officials to avoid disclosing perks such as mortgage deals or car service agreements they receive as a result of their union employment. Only about 40 reports were filed annually in the past; the new rule takes effect on Jan. 1, 2008.

The agency views this greater transparency as a victory for hard-working union members who pay dues but currently have little information about where or how their money is spent. The increased transparency, however, has prompted a backlash among union bigwigs.

AFL-CIO President John Sweeney complained last week about the “rank new directive from the Bush Labor Department that adds yet another debilitating burden to unions by requiring more than 100,000 workplace volunteers to report their run-of-the-mill consumer transactions to the federal government.”

Sweeney’s misleading statement gives the impression that unpaid volunteers would have to comply with the conflict-of-interest requirement. In fact, the Office of Labor Management Standards requires only union officials on payroll to file the LM-30 form, and in the case of workers who double as union officers, they don’t need to file a report unless they work more than 250 hours (approximately six weeks) on union business.

The attacks on the office are nothing new for Big Labor. They’ve been badmouthing the office ever since the Bush Administration revived the enforcement operations that had been allowed to languish during the Clinton era. With Democrats now in control of Congress, unions have made a push to peel back some of the gains in transparency for dues-paying union members.

Lately, though, the attacks have extended beyond the office itself. The liberal Center for American Progress released a 28-page report this month that singles out the agency’s director, Don Todd, in a highly personal attack on his character. The report mentions Todd by name on 29 occasions and accuses him of being a political hack determined to sabotage unions.

“The underlying purpose,” the report concluded, “is to undermine the reputation of the labor union movement through a classic political misinformation campaign -- all under the supervision of a lifelong partisan political operative whose career has been dedicated to the destruction of his political opponents.”

Todd has not commented publicly about the report, but a Department of Labor spokesman dismissed it, noting that the office has brought greater transparency to rank-and-file workers within the confines of the law. As a result of the increased enforcement, the office has helped bring corrupt union officers to justice.

In the past month alone, for example, a former financial secretary for the United Mine Workers in Wheeling, W.Va., was sentenced to a year in prison for embezzling more than $70,000 in union funds, an office secretary for the Plasterers in Denver pleaded guilty to embezzling $28,480 in union money, and the former president of National Treasury Employees Union in Detroit pleaded guilty to one count of bank robbery.

News stories about union corruption are not what Big Labor wants the public -- or its rank-and-file -- to see. It’s no wonder John Sweeney and his union cohorts are doing what they can to shut down the one agency in the federal government that looks out for union workers.

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Robert B. Bluey is director of the Center for Media & Public Policy at The Heritage Foundation and maintains a blog at RobertBluey.com
 
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I'm an inactive member...
...of the Teamsters.

I got to see where at least some of my union dues went. Each election a large glossy pamphlet appeared in the mail listing all of the Democrat candidates the union wanted me to vote for.

Yep. That was putting my money to good use.

It's too bad we can't have some federal regulation requiring the unions to get permission from each individual member in order to use their dues for political campaigning.

Arnold tried it in California. I think some union big wig called it "trying to use the law to assassinate his political enemies".

Apparently, union bosses think it is entirely appropriate to use my money to eliminate their political enemies...

unions bosses just don't care
Unions bosses just don't care about their members anymore, just politics. And the brand of politics that they think is best, isn't any good for the rank and file. Its what happens when liberals run things (not that conservative ever ran those unions, they have always been mismanaged by liberals). Its just like universities are nowadays, they don't do what they were set up to do. They do the politics and forget about the core business.

More then half of union members don't even vote Democrat, so why do they get most of their money? If my dad (a union member) wants to contribute to a Republican, his union dues are contributing to the Democrat running against his favored candidate. So he would have to donate more to the Republican to counter his "donation" to the Democrat he doesn't even want.

The unions are so anti-worker
That when they do let the members vote on things for the union, my dad now automatically always votes against what the leadership is favoring. Thats the only way they can slow the union leaders from doing what they do. Most of his coworkers in that location do the same. They all hate the union, and would probably de-unionize if they were able. they are more out of touch then management (which isn't saying much). Thats why the unions fight reform because they would be out of business in about five seconds.

Rich Boomker
Dear Rich,

It wan't always this way with the unions. Decades ago, when governmrnt wasn't taking the role of quality control for workers rights and working conditions, the Big Bosses didn't care what happened to you; almost slave labor, the workers came in and went home every daylike clockwork, making their minimal jjpaycheck, except in Detroit, where the auto workers had this thing called a union, and they really made enough money to make a life on.

Little by little, the idea of unions spread. Then one day, my father who had been working at this forging plant (for big pieces like for NASA) for years without air conditioning, where the temperatures would rise up to 120 degrees at times, my father decided to build a union at his plant. He talked to other workers at the plant, his friends, co-workers, acquaintences, and told them when the first meeting would take place at our house. It looked promising, but alas when the day came, no one appeared at the meeting but my father. Next month he did the same thing, but he spent the whole month talking up the union and the bad conditions and poor wages they were working for, and they all agreed, so it looked really prpomising. But only a couple of his friends showed up.

Continued

Rich Boomker, Continued
Well, the three planned to talk it up big during the month, and see where it goes. So at the next meeting, a dozen more showed up. And so on...until 2 years later when nearly all 2000 non-management employees went union. The plant made my dad management when rumors of a strike came out; they weren't going to let their leader participate; they would make him a scab when he crossed the picket line to keep his job. And his tires got slashed, windshield cracked, they blocked his way coming and going to the factory, but when the union won in just a few days, my dad was still management. And they knew they had crossed the line of decency, when, after all, he gave them the union. He never held it against anyone, but by then someone else had been made the leader of their union. So, well, not all union bosses are the same. My father would no sooner steal union dues, than he would steal from a store. Well, there was asbestos in the air at that factory, and that factory was outright polluting the lake we lived on. I went into the state capitol, found my second cousin's fooice, something about wildlife management, and told him about my situation, even the floating dead fish, and who I knew where it was coming from, and how he needed to stop it before it was too late. And he said he couldn't do that because they had a contract with the Federal government, but what else could he do for me, a job at the capitol, an internship with a senator or representative, a tour guide at the capitol? So thus I began to learn how government works.
Politics 101. I said no thanks, and went home to look at some more dead fish along the banks of my back yard, and at the forging plantjust off the other side of the lake, and I learned my lesson: being right isn't always the right answer.

Union = Communist
If the Republicans had tried such an obvious quid-pro-quo the Lamocrats would be screaming for a special prosecutor and holding endless investigations in both houses of congress.

The fact is that the unions were primarily a communist front group back in the 30s and things haven't changed much since then. They are now a communist(D) front group and care nothing for their members. They have become like politicians everywhere. All they care about is advancing the cause of the unions (i.e. more union and more money for them) and advancing the cause of the Lamocrat Party. The one good thing about the unions is that over the past 15 or 20 years they have lost out big time and were in danger of dying out.

As industrial jobs moved South and out of the country their big union shops in the North and West have closed. The South has been anti-union since the 30s when the textile union came down and collected a lot of money from poor workers and left with it.

So the unions now have gone to their patron saints in the Lamocrat party and cried for influence and they are getting it. They are getting it in the form of cutbacks in the union watchdogs and in the form of support for eliminating the secret vote for unions. The time for unions has come and gone, if it ever existed at all.

Look how well it worked out for them...
Look at how well Unions worked out for the workers now. The Unions are so greedy and promote so many of the wrong values that Companies can not compete in this country with them. How can Toyota make a full size truck with American workers and american steel in America and sell it for half the price that GMC can? Because Toyota isn't paying people not to produce in their plants. They are also not paying for workers who haven't worked in 15 years. All those wonderful demands that the unions "fought" for are coming back to bite them in their collective butt. As J.Marie states, look at Detroit. What would have been better for all involved? Working in the factories and still having the factories there to work in today, or what happened, greedy lazy unions who wanted so much they pushed the factories right out of town. Next time you pay your payment on a car, you can thank a UAW worker for ramping up the price on it.
My first job was in a factory that was a closed shop. The unions extorted money from the workers and sold us out every chance they could. At least with management you knew where you stood. The less you did in a closed shop, the better worker you were.

I remember
being a union laborer (Hod Carriers Union) during the 1960's. The big complaint against us college kids was that we were "killing the job"; probably were working harder and faster, but we didn't have to do it all year and we were eager and grateful for the job. The union men were generally acceptable workers and were skilled at doing their job. They were not the lazy, unworking SOBs painted above.

What is too bad is that the union members aren't trying to get rid of their corrupt leadership. Just like the Democrats (William Jefferson, Harry Reid, and Dianne Feinstein, for example), they tend to hide their corrupt leaders, pretending that they don't exist. So the Federal government gets to shine the spot light.

Power corrupts
or maybe its basically corrupt people that seek power and merely show their corruption when they get it. Whatever. The bottom line is that as economic and political power become more complex and centralized in places far from where the effects are felt, the opportunity for abuse and chicanery increases. This is the basic problem with looking for solutions to one's problems to come down from some far away person or place. The further your tax money travels, the more is wasted and stolen. I was just reading some stuff written by an ex-SWAT team cop who often served on bodyguard details for politicians. He had little but contempt for them after overhearing typical conversations illustrating their unabashed contempt for their constituents and concern only with lining their own pockets. Washington DC is an overgrown monster. Vote the rascals out. The current 90 plus re-election rate is an indictment of the voters, not the politicians.

Jeanne-Marie
You have me confused. In previous posts haven't you come down solidly for big govt solutions to problems we all want to solve? With your experience with organized political power, how can you maintain this belief?

Robert
The Republican Party, is now looking after the interest,of rank and file members of the Unions.This statement or it's inferences discredits any legitimate statement you may have made.What school teaches the true nature of Unions and how they could affect our economy?NONE!Don't you think,that this maybe more than a COINCIDENCE.The union BOSSES, are so out of touch,that they don't realize, that this is their TIME!The unions in the 20's and 30's were ran by criminals.The same way Vegas was,but a transformation has taken place in Vegas.Trust me,when I tell you,Unions are like a stock which continues to be undervalued.Lack of knowledge is a liability in financial transactions.Unions are a financial transaction,second only to the government and big business.If you are going to play to WIN,you must truly understand ALL aspects of the GAME!

Savage 99
Dear Savage 99,

When my father organized the union at Wyman Gordon back in the '60's, my father was a hero to me, getting air conditioning for the men, a raise, too, except that he wasn't included in the raise, he had been made management, but he did it, he had built a union, they had a strike and got their air conditioning and a raise. Management thought they could break the union by removing their leader, but no, he continued to lead.

As far as my trip to the capitol building goes, I was in high school, had taken a civics class, and believed that our civil servants would take up a blatent case, such as the pollution of our lake. I was amazed that my second cousin would consider selling me and my cause out for some "gift" from the state capitol, such as a job or an internship. I had my ethics. I was VERY disappointed and disallusioned.

But once I did use critical leverage with a politician. My brother had schizophrenia, and in his 20's, his episodes became more severe and more psychotic. One day, he was absolutely sure that aliens had wired him through his veins, and he had to get the wires out, which would have caused his death. I tried calling the police, but they said until he hurt someone else or himself. So I called Senator Kennedy's office, who's family is big on mental health issues. I got to a secretary and I told the her of the situation and that he needed to be picked up right now and Baker Acted before he tore his veins to get out the wires, and if Senator Kennedy couldn't help, and something did happen to my brother, at the next election for Kennedy, I would call all the newspapers and magazines and let them know when I called Kennedy's office for help, they denied and my brother died of suicidal actions. Within 10 minutes the police picked up my brother, Baker Acted him, and took him to the hosppital. It was a long shot, and I won. That's what I know about politics.

Citizen Carrier:
Sorry to hear that. But you get what you pay for. Your dues are paying for all the things that you don't wnat them to pay for. What if you wanted to vote Repubican or Green Party? Do you think that they wil send out pamphlets with those parties plastered all over them? No. The unions are not democratic. They are socialistic in nature and nearly communist. There is only one way to stop the unions from doing what you say they are doing, quit the union. If enough of you do that, they will have no choice but to listen. That is how they came to power. Remember?

Jeanne-Marie
Great story. To a pol, image is all. The ultimate threat is to tarnish the image. Good for you.
Could your brother's problem have anything to do with the work you are doing, as noted on another thread?

Savage 99
Dear Savage 99,

Everything to do with it. That's why I'm high on the priority of economics for the disabled, needy, homeless, all situations my brother got into for being a mentally ill person. Once he even disposed of garments and stood outside of the apartment building naked for half and hour until the police picked him up. Faster than when he was going to get the wires out of his veins. I guess it's all a matter of priorities, then when someone is ppicked up and Baker Acted and getting the help that they really need.

Anyhow, you do have to be somewhat brave, because they do lose it and get violent. And I've had my episodes of getting beaten up. But you crawl back into the classroom on hands and knees and get stronger for it.

Well, if I didn't love my unloveable clients, I wouldn't stay there.

Well, you have a lovely Christmas, Savage 99, and a blessed New Year!



Bush and Unions
Why should the federal government all the sudden want to involved in Unions at a time when they have been loosening corporate regulations and allowing Big Business to run rampant. They nabbed a secretary who embezzled $70,000. big deal. Here's what Robber Barons, like Enron, let to run wild does, nationwide, AFSCME's 1.3 million members lost more than $1.5 billion of their retirement assets as a result of the Enron scandal. Bush and his bosses hate unions for one reason, they get in the way of there bigger profits.

SOME HISTORY OF AMERICAN UNIONISM
When the American Federation of Labor (AFL) was founded by Samuel Gompers of the Cigar Workers' Union, he believed that a labor union ought to be APOLITICAL. In those days, many people who lived in the industrial Northeast and upper Midwest lived and worked in cold, filthy, and hazardous conditions and made very little money.

Unlike European labor unions, American unions were not usually Communistic. In the 1930s, Walter Reuther and his brother traveled to the USSR to "see the future". However, they decided that Communism would not work. George Meany and Lane Kirkland were not the same species of union president as John Sweeney. I recall that Meany and Kirkland both supported Lech Walesa's independent Solidarity Union in Poland.

I recall also that there was a court decision that exempted union leaders from some of the laws the rest of us must live by. That's why union thuggery, vandalism, and violence are never prosecuted. Maybe union leaders cannot be prosecuted. However, why couldn't there be civil lawsuits against unions and their leaders? The standard in civil lawsuits is PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE, NOT GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.


yavapaidiane - Union "violence"
In case anyone hasn't noticed, unions are no longer violent.

The height of union violence occurred in the 1930s when workers were feeling pretty desperate.

I am a conservative, but I also am a union member, and I therefore see both sides of the issue. I think that there is a problem with mob-like behavior in some unions (AFL-CIO), and in some unions there is a problem with Socialist thought prevailing in the leadership (not necessarily with the rank-in-file members).

However, the idea of workers being able to pool their bargaining power together is useful when working at large corporations that are seriously "lawyered up."

One of the things that have come out in the news lately, because of the Hollywood Writers Strike, is the fact that there is now a "Producers Union."

At first blush, it sounds like individual people with the title "Producer" have joined a union, but the truth is, this is a kind of cartel made up of Hollywood corporations.

Since the corporate offices are filled with Lefties, this is not capitalism (management) vs socialism (labor), but greedy socialists vs greedy socialists. Anyone who feels sorry for the producers in this strike have never sat across the table and negotiated an individual contract with these deceitful sharks.

Meanwhile, all the other unions in Hollywood have a lot of out-of-work members, who can't work if there are no scripts, and the entire Los Angeles area is feeling the pinch.

Is this better than Hollywood workers rioting in the streets, as they did in the '30s?

I don't know. It seems to the retailers like the equivalant of a neutron bomb has hit the city!

Stop Communication, Easier to Rule
I read in the Sunday papers this morning that the National Labor Relations Board has ruled that "employers have the right to prohibit workers from using the company's e-mail system to send out union-related messages, a decision that could hamper communications between labor unions and their membership". It is specified that workers may, however, use the company e-mail for personal communications and "chit-chat". "The ruling is a significant setback to the nation's labor unions".

What this reminds me of is learning in a long-ago college history course about a 19th Century factory owner, whose name I believe was Ficke, whose practice was to recruit immigrant workers from many different European nations and bring them to the United States to work in his factories. His strategy was to have people working side-by-side who had no common language and thus could not organize themselves together.

It reminds me also of a condo building I once lived in where the owners organized to get rid of the management company, which was doing shady stuff, so the management company prohibited owners from announcing owners' meetings on the bulletin boards or the closed-circuit TV.

It is much harder to control people if they can talk to each other. Of course if you believe that the business owner should have 100% freedom to make the rules and the workers should have 0 freedom to participate in rule-making, then you won't be troubled by the new ruling.

Nostalgic Unions v Government Unions
Virtually all the comments are about union movements of the past. Once tariffs were eliminated per Globalization and uncontrolled immigration began to swamp the labor force unionization in the manufacturing and service areas ceased.

Virtually all union initiative today is in the area of government unions. The teachers unions being the best example. Teaches unions have succeeded in smothering most competition including home schooling, church schooling, and charter schools.

Government unions are extremely powerful. In a sense there members have dual economic citizenship. The members vote in elections but if they don't like the result they can strike.

Government unions through agency shop have the government deduct dues from the workers wages. Government unions are to all intents and purposes a goverrnment sponsored wing of the democratic party. To talk of unions today and be relevant, you have to wake up to the union reality.

Union members in the IRS, FTC, FCC etc. can actually punish conservatives that they believe are too effective. Government unions are the reason the Democratic party must always be for bigger government. Without government unions, paid for by our tax dollars, there would be no Democratic party.

Unions are big business...
and they act like. The only difference is they are basically to the left of Lenon. My brother is a member of a union. His union requires him to register to vote and he has to prove it with a voter registration card. They do not tell him how to register but it was made clear to him he either had to register Democrat or Independent. This policy is not in writing but the results of not following the under the table instructions are that you will not get called for work.

Also, his local came out in favor of supporting illegals. Right now he is out of work because he was replaced by an illegal. (He had to be licensed by the state to do the job but the illegal has no license) His union supports putting people to work that are taking their jobs.

Big labor is like big business. No one tells them what to do.

Unions sold out....

The UAW has held up the last 3 contracts with Chrysler, over paid Abortions. Abortion rights was the sticking point, above pay and pensions?

As for the companies themselves... The Detroit News reports Ford and GM are now supporting Hillary. Chysler (Cerberus) is the only company leaning right.

Bush has spent 7 years blocking anti-Detroit legislation... But, not one thank you card from the UAW. They prefer abortions over jobs.

Big Labor= big ripoff
Taft, Your statement is nonsensical. Apparently suffering from BDS-Bush Derangement Syndrome- you wrote that Bush had loosened up regulations and that caused the whole Enron scandal?? You apparently have forgotten the timeline of the Enron, Global Crossing and other related scandals.

Enron, Global Crossing (of whom Clinton's pal Terry McCauliff was a principal), and other corporate abuses all occurred during the Clinton administration of the 90's and were exposed in the beginning of the Bush administration. What Bush did was prosecute these people. His Justice Dept put them in jail where they belong. Get your facts straight, the accounting scandals were happening long before Bush took office!

In regards to other arguments I'm seeing here, we need to make some things real clear. Unions are not a good thing, and for the following reasons: 1.) they strip an employee of his individual freedoms and the freedom to bargain with an employer for a merit raise. 2.) they create a friction between management and employees that is not healthy and causes a job environment that is awful (in my personal experience) 3.) unions use employer's facilities to hold meetings during which all they do is gripe about the company and management whether they have a legit beef or not. 4.) unions forcibly steal money from employees paychecks and then (see article above) refuse to be transparent with where they spend the money. 5.) unions are more corrupt than any company or govt office I've yet seen; constantly stealing funds from employees pension accounts in the hopes of making money off that money so they can then re-pay the pension fund. can anyone say illegal loans! 6.) unions have fought states that want to have right to work laws. they have actually convinced people that "right to work" is a bad thing! How allowing people to choose whether they want to work as a union employee or a non-union employee is wrong, is beyond me!


Just in time for the Election

If I didn't know better, I'd say Pelosi and friends are gearing up to steal the election. Less transparency equals less accountability.

Hillary and Sam Walton!
GP-Read an official biography of the Senator and you’ll find her six-month stint on a child-protection task force. Yet you won’t find her SIX YEARS on the board of directors of Wal-Mart Corporation. She may have earned a Grammy for “It Takes a Village to Raise a Child.” But it takes a Governor’s wife to provide cover for Wal-Mart’s profiteering off systematic wage-enslavement of children in its factories in South America.

Sam Walton called Hillary, “My little lady.” Sam paid her an eyebrow raising sum for a director - equal to 60% of her entire not-insubstantial salary as a lawyer. By contrast, Wendy Diaz (her real name), a 13-year-old in Honduras, was paid 25 cents an hour to make shirts for the “little lady’s” label.

Hillary’s rake-in was made possible by Wal-Mart’s 100% union-free operation and out-sourcing of 100% of its manufacturing, some to prison factories in China. Now, you could say that Hillary couldn’t hear the screams of the kiddies in Kamp Wal-Mart in Honduras. After all, she relied on the intelligence provided her by the President (of Wal-Mart).

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/hillary-and-sam-wa lton


bmadison2007...

Bravo! 99% of Detroit's UAW political money goes to Democrats. They fail to mention this to workers.

Detroit's UAW even donated money to California reps involved in banning their SUV's from certain roads. And the UAW supported Governor of Michigan, joined Northeastern states in a federal anti-automaker lawsuit?

Liberals are masochists!


Boycott Union Goods & Services
These scum bags are trying to destroy our nation by supporting socialistic/welfare state, homocentric, abortionists.

They can't handle competion. I'll buy China made goods before I'll buy union goods.

Unions support EVERYTHING I find corrupt and destructive in America.

Reforming unions
Unions should be restricted to the workers in a single company. Membership should always be voluntary, and union actions should require approval by majority secret vote of their members.

A single-company union has quite sufficient power for negotiations with management, but lacks the power to drive up prices in a whole industry. It is also likely to be apolitical, because it doesn't have the clout to influence decisions in Washington.

When an industry-wide union takes action to force wage increases throughout the industry, that is a conspiracy in restraint of trade, just as much as when managements of several companies conspire to set prices. It should be illegal, and union leaders who engage in such conspiracies should be jailed.




bmadison
In the Christmas spirit, why don't you google "Triangle Waist Company Fire" and see if you can grasp why unions have been necessary. Until collective bargaining came to be, business owners got away with every sort of vile exploitation of workers. One individual worker doesn't have the clout of a thousand organized workers. Power is never given: power is taken. Would American business go back to the days of child labor, sixteen-hour days, a six-day week, no paid sick leave or paid holidays, and unsafe working conditions? In a heartbeat they would. They are already halfway there by sending their manufacturing to countries where that kind of practice is the norm. Business is motivated by greed. Without unions and government regulation, we would be back in 1885, and the Bush government has tried very hard to put us there.

RA
Re "Unions support everything I find corrupt and destructive in America": You haven't said exactly what you find corrupt and destructive so help us out here.

Is it ending child labor? Are you taking your kids out of school and sending them to work a 12-hour day in a factory?

Is it safety in the workplace? If you are injured on the job because your employer supplied you with outdated defective equipment, are you prepared to apologize and agree the accident was your fault?

Is it compensation for a workplace injury? If an accident leaves you unable to work for the rest of your life (say it left you a paraplegic and your factory job involves running up and down laddeers) are you willing to accept the idea that no compensation should be paid to you because that would cut into your boss's profits, which are already very high?

Lilly
Okay. I'll give you an example.

Friend of mine works at the Davis-Bessie nuclear power plant up on Lake Erie.

Before he started, he had to undergo a few weeks of training and classroom instruction with other new employees. Being a closed shop, they were all required to join the union.

Well, one of the students used to play card games and pinball on his computer during the lectures. Another student noticed this and--apparently taking the job of running a nuclear power plant seriously--told the instructors what the guy was doing.

I don't know about you, but I kind of want the guys running our nuclear power plants to be the sort of people who pay attention in class.

The video game guy was fired.

Guess who the union rep bitched at? Who were they angry with?

The whistleblower. They actually got mad at the guy who took his job serious enough to not tolerate mediocrity in his co-workers.

By telling on the mediocre guy who could potentially be a danger to everybody in a 200 mile radius, the whistleblower had "closed ranks" with management and betrayed a fellow union member. He also cost the union a paying member.

Lilly, all too often in our day and age the union exists to protect mediocrity and punish exceptionalism.

And I think we should outlaw closed shops. It would actually be better for union members. In a closed shop, if I get fired, the guy who replaces me is necessarily going to be another dues-paying union member. The union really hasn't lost anything. In an open shop, the union better FIGHT for me. The guy who replaces me might not chose to be in the union.

Unions in USA

Company I work for sells equipment for production of many different goods. It's a niche operation so I cannot go into explaining what exactly do we sell and what those machines are supposed to do. I will say that big majority of companies who do buy our equipment and have unions fare worse than those who don't. There are exceptions, of course. Now, lilly, I'll try to explain why.

Imagine that we sell cell phones and everybody in US is still using a rotary phone (close enough analogy). OK? Now, in unionised environment the following happens:

- The person employed to answer the calls can only answer the calls. If they need to make a call, another person needs to be summoned. By union logic, doing otherwise would mean that first person stole the job from second one.
- When an e-mail needs to be sent by the phone, another persone needs to summoned because sending e-mails by the phone is his/her job.
- Getting pictures taken by the phone is a job of yet third person that needs to summoned to do it.

Now, if you need to take a picture and send it by e-mail to somebody, instead of taking 25 seconds to do it, at best you'll waste 25 minutes to do it. Of course, if follow-up call is needed, you need yet another person who's job is to make a call. If there's a follow-up from the other side then you need a fourth person to answer that call.

Not to mention that ringing phone will be turned off by union-conscious e-mailing person if answering person is not present because voice mail would take the job from the answering person.

The company B has ONE person who does all this and still has time to go to the restroom, surf Internet and have 1 hour lunch break. Which company will fare better, lilly?

unlike factualist
I think unions have to go across borders and be truly international
in nature, not only in name.

I'm not sure how being restricted to one shop will benefit a union
member?


Stop pimping for Google, Lilly
I don't need to google the Triangle Fire: I studied it in school. Considering that it was four generations ago I imagine just about everyone knows the story.

for why unions need to become intl
read _Capital Moves: RCA's Seventy Year Quest for Cheap Labor_

citizen carrier's 1st post
as a member of the Teamster's you could have gone to the convention
and made a motion to stop political endorsements.


The same is true of most other unions.

Triangle Shirtwaist Fire
is probably not a good example of the effect of the unions on improving
work conditions.

Although it is true that the Garment Worker's Union did want the
changes that the NY state legislature enacted as a response to the
tragedy.

Maybe without the demands of the union ahead of time the legislature
would not have made the laws it did, but doubtful. The changes were
related to the fire not the union, imho.

The Rhode Island club fire is a similar event.

This is all not to say that unions have not improved the things that
lilly posted at 3:49


Nasty Nurses Union & Socialized Medicine
The California Nurses Association is a seriously Leftist organization that has been pushing hard for Socialized Medicine for a long time now.

The latest stunt they are pulling, in conjunction with that slimy toad, Michael Moore, is using a family tragedy to further their cause.

A lovely young woman named Nataline Sarkisyan recently died in the hospital, where she was being treated for Leukemia. It seems that she had had a bone marrow transplant from her brother, and her body reacted badly to the procedure. Her liver shut down.

Her family wanted the insurance company to give her a liver transplant, but the medication that is necessary to prevent her body from rejecting the new liver suppresses the immune system, and would have likely caused her Leukemia to worsen. It was likely she would have died from the procedure, and the liver, which could have gone to another patient, would have been wasted.

But the MSM doesn't give you the full story, but make it sound like the American insurance companies are horrible, and that the medical industry is "broken."

The plan is beautiful: drum up sympathy for this tragedy, and use it as a platform to push a Leftist agenda.

This is a typical Leftie ploy, and the willing accomplices in the MSM are helping out by not reporting the entire story.

union meetings and conventions
This is in reply to 'everyonesfacts' about attending the meetings and speaking up.
I worked as a clerk for a major railroad company for 37 years and did benefit greatly from some buy out options. However, I remember that way back in 1970 or so our local chairman was a real gung ho guy and was so excited to be going to the national convention as he had some things to say. At that convention when ever anyone on the floor brought up anything the leaders didn't want anyone else to hear or they didn't agree with they simply turned off the power to the microphones and no one else heard it. Period, end of story.
Our local union offices did good things for us in fighting supervisors who were just jerks. We had a lot of situations where jobs would be abolished and people could bump others, etc. Some of the jerks just did not want to have to deal with these issues and would just disqualify folks out of hand and we were always fighting those issues.
I got into management for a few years and my job was actually to deal with the leaders of a different union. I always tried to be as fair as possible but so many times it seems that no matter how far backward I would lean there was always one more issue to deal with.
At times clerks from another office would be on the move and would come to my office to check out the work. One thing I had going for me was that my folks worked very hard all day at very stressful jobs and it kept many others away who weren't really interested in hard work. I told one woman one day that as much as I, as a supervisor, disliked having someone new come into the office to work and having to train that person I fully understood how awful it was for that person to be on the loose. They weren't out looking for a different job because they wanted to so I always tried not to make life too difficult for them while they were trying to qualify.

profits
Another thing I always find interesting is the idea of 'profits' for these large companies. I think profits in most cases means income for share holders, etc. For a good number of us that means us all the while we are screaming about profits for the big companies we are very concerned about our investments and how much money we are making in our 401K's and IRA's, etc.

One more thing
Somewhere way up above in these comments mention was made of using company emails to complain or plan against the company. I am always amazed when I hear or read these complaints. The company pays for the internet, the computers, etc., etc. and most emailing is done on company time. DUH. It is the same when someone is doing child porno on company computers, etc. and it is so horrendous when it is found out and the person claims invasion of privacy. What privacy? It is company time and money. They have certain rules and people get chastized for making too many private phone calls, etc. For a time my company was actually checking out phone calls, especially long distance calls, that were overly long. To me we have no right for the expectation of privacy while using the company provided tools.

union for the national good
I gave a copy of an economic plan that would solve most of our economic problems to a union member along with details how state and national union bosses could get the democrat (American Communist Party) party members of federal and state legislators to enact this plan, which would reduce the price of everything by 1/3, stop government from taxing employers and jobs out of existence, and encourage the creation of new businesses and jobs which would pay more income tax at lower rates.
The plan replaces the existing hundreds or thousands of taxes with one proper tax for each level of government.
Do you see any sign that union members want the national and state economies made the best they can possibly be?
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