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Friday, June 20, 2008
Rich Tucker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Degrees of Incompetence
by Rich Tucker
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Well, it’s that time of year again. Students are pouring out of high schools across the country, with most getting ready for the next natural step: college.

In one sense that’s good. Today’s economy requires more people than ever to have college degrees, and studies show those people make more money and enjoy their jobs more than people without college degrees.

However, as politically incorrect as this may be to say, not everyone should go to college. Think of it this way: Many elementary schools hand out bumper stickers saying “We honor all our students.” But what that means is that they, in fact, honor none of their students. In a society where almost everyone goes to college, a bachelor’s degree will quickly lose its value.

In the June issue of The Atlantic, “Professor X,” an instructor at what he calls “colleges of last resort” described his frustration as an introductory English teacher. “Students routinely fail; some fail multiple times, and some will never pass, because they cannot write a coherent sentence.”

Why are they even in the class, then? They’re pushed. “I teach young men who must amass a certain number of credits before they can become police officers or state troopers, lower-echelon health-care workers who need credits to qualify for raises, and municipal employees who require college-level certification to advance at work,” Professor X writes.

This teacher has no problem failing students who don’t measure up -- sometimes as many as nine out of 15 students fail the class. But that misses the larger point: They shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

“No one is thinking about the larger implications, let alone the morality, of admitting so many students to classes they cannot possibly pass,” Professor X writes. “The colleges and the students and I are bobbing up and down in a great wave of societal forces -- social optimism on a large scale, the sense of college as both a universal right and a need, financial necessity on the part of the colleges and the students alike, the desire to maintain high academic standards while admitting marginal students -- that have coalesced into a mini-tsunami of difficulty.”

This professor is doing everything possible to maintain the value of a four-year degree by failing anyone and everyone who doesn’t measure up. However, not every teacher is going to be as vigilant. Some will be tempted to let marginal students slide through. And many will undoubtedly feel pressure from their superiors to pass unprepared students.

In the May 14 edition of Inside Higher Ed, Scott Jaschik wrote about one such professor, biology teacher Steven Aird, recently fired by Norfolk State University.

“Aird has released numerous documents prepared by the university about his performance -- including the key negative tenure decisions by administrators – [and] it is clear that he was denied tenure for one reason: failing too many students,” Jaschik writes. “The university documents portray Aird as unwilling to compromise to pass more students.”

That gets things backward, of course. Teachers don’t pass students; students pass themselves by learning what they’re supposed to. If they’re unwilling or unable to learn what they need to, they’ll fail.

A Norfolk State spokeswoman blamed Aird. “Something is wrong when you cannot impart your knowledge onto students,” Sharon Hoggard said. “We are a university of opportunity, so we take students who are underprepared, but we have a history of whipping them into shape. That’s our niche.”

But a niche that’s going unfilled. Jaschik notes that, “According to U.S. Education Department data, only 12 percent of Norfolk State students graduate in four years, and only 30 percent graduate in six years.” The problem, again, isn’t with a professor who refuses to pass unprepared students. It’s with a system that delivers unprepared students to the professor’s class.

If a college degree is going to have any meaning, it needs to stand as proof of an achievement -- showing that a student has worked hard over several years and learned important lessons.

As a friend who teaches at a community college writes, “once the college places students into freshman-level classes, we as professors have to assume they have a certain baseline of ability and skills, and hold them all to the same standards. Failure to do that renders the degree meaningless.”

Exactly. As a society, we do need more people going to college. But we also need to make sure that only those who are ready -- able to commit the time and learn the material -- get a degree. Lowering standards may make us feel good in the short term, but will only harm society in the long run.

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College Material?
Many who attend our colleges are not there because it is their desire. Many go because it is expected.Mom and dad went,so the student will go.

Some would probably be more suited for tech college. There are many fine technical schools that teach different subjects that would more of a fit for some careers.

What we don't need are more lawyers.We have been lawyered too much ,already.


College vs. Trade Schools
There is a "university" near my home. At one point I thought to take some courses to keep my brain working in retirement. When I looked at the course catalog, I was surprised to find that the so-called university is in fact a trade school that offers Master's degrees. It has just enough courses in the liberal arts to barely qualify for accreditation. It offers good training in several medical, legal, and technical fields, but it does not provide a University education.

To me, a true university(or college, for that matter) offers a full range of educational opportunities that will give the student a wider appreciation of all facets of life. In today's technology-dense world we need the trade schools to teach specific skills, but they provide a very narrow education and should not be called universities.

Of course, to return to this older definition of education would require that we admit that people differ in their abilities and interests. That would conflict with the current mantra that everybody is equally capable in all ways.

Community colleges
Why are four-year colleges and universities providing remedial instruction? That's one reason for having community colleges.

The graphs at the end of this article http://www.uiowa.edu/~030116/116/articles/bronner2.htm blew the lid off how far the University of Michigan was willing to compromise its standards just to achieve the “correct” level of racial diversity. You will note the addition of the category “admit with remedial instruction” in the minority admission criteria. And this is from a top university! (The UofM is far from unique, BTW.)

Rowly:
FYI, the University of California in Irvine is lobbying for a new law school. In a society that is grossly over-lawyered, they want to increase the number. Meanwhile, there is a dire shortage of nurses.

Of course, it's probably just a coincidence that lawyers probably make bigger alumni donations than do nurses.

college grads today do NOT make more

Rich says

"Today’s economy requires more people than ever to have college degrees, and studies show those people make more money and enjoy their jobs more than people without college degrees."

Uh, I'm throwing a flag on that one.

Many students nowadays go to college and take complete bullsh*t courses and majors that DO NOT lead to more money and DO NOT benefit society in any way.

Don't think so? Well, see how many kids are duped into majoring in black studies, hispanic studies or some other form of ethnic studies. Exactly who hires people with such worthless degrees?

Oh, and let's not forget some of the other majors such as

1. consumer "sciences" (previously known as home economics)

2. organic horticulture

3. womyn studies

And last, but not least, the "education major".

The benefit to society comes from majors in business, the physical sciences, mathematics and engineering.

Alas, only a time fraction of those kiddies will be majoring in those. The truth is most of those kiddies will rack up tons of student loan debt, which will haunt them for years to come, while acquiring essentially a worthless "education".

How sad...

What is being taught?
Islamic Academy of Virginia, Richmond, VA

Stands on Fairfax County Va ground - no protest from the ACLU??
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The authors of a 12th-grade text on Quranic interpretation state that apostates (those who convert from Islam), adulterers and people who murder Muslims can be permissibly killed.

The authors of a 12th-grade text on monotheism write that "(m)ajor polytheism makes blood and wealth permissible," meaning that a Muslim can take with impunity the life and property of someone believed guilty of polytheism. According to the panel, the strict Saudi interpretation of polytheism includes Shiite and Sufi Muslims as well as Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists.

A social studies text offers the view that Jews were responsible for the split between Sunni and Shiite Muslims: "The cause of the discord: The Jews conspired against Islam and its people. A sly, wicked person who sinfully and deceitfully professed Islam infiltrated (the Muslims)."
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Wonder what else they teach - readin, writin and suicide bombin......

I wonder what the kids are learning in shop class - bomb making 101?

Fairfax County Democrat head of the Board of Supervisors Gerold Connolly approved this! He and his fellow dems were on board with the agenda.

Connolly will be the Democratic candidate for Congress in that district and supports Obama-Messiah.

Wasn't Obama born a muslim and converted to Christianity (muslim apostate)? - Wasn't Mentor Wright a muslim and converted to Christianity (muslim apostate)?

Students are being taught on this state owned property - Democrat backed School "that apostates (those who convert from Islam), ... can be permissibly killed."

Either this school is training potential Obama-Wright killers or just training potential jurors for Gitmo trials.

*Free tin foil hat fitting for all Obama voters.

sedonaman rowly et al
In his 46 page booklet on Change - Obama wants to pay the college tuition for any student that agrees to become a lawyer and defend criminals.

I know this sounds ludicrous but Obama states that it will help reduce prison populations.

Obama also does not want first offence crack criminals to serve time in prison as another way to reduce prison populations even though law enforcement states that crack addicts are a major source of other than drug crimes.

Only in America!

Only with Democrats and Obama!

surprised??
not at all...when we started pandering to ethnic groups back in the late 70's, standards had to be lowered to accomodate their 'shortages,' their lack of whatever: language, education, height, strength (for police,firemen, etc).

There were trade schools up til the mid-60's but those became politically incorrect.

Not everyone can achieve academically...but we do not honor & respect people with other skills...that is why we continually need to keep immigrants flowing...whether we need the numbers or not...we're only lacking in skills, not in number of bodies.


school choice before college
More states and cities need to implement school choice - let parents decide to which public school they want to send their kids, and make vouchers available for private schools. This will benefit students immediately be getting them in better schools, and will benefit the publics schools in the long run by forcing them to improve in the face of competition.

Also, the federal government has no place here. I thought the GOP was going to eliminate the Fed Departement of Education. Instead Bush gave us NCLB. Nuts.

K-12
Fix this first, then fix the university and tech school systems. Sure, not everyone should go to college, but they need basic skills, reading comprehension, spelling, grammar, math, and science to survive.

Geez, my father and mother did not go to university, and both have a superior education to today's students. Both could spell, figure weights, percentages, etc.

What education/
As a 1954 UC-Berkeley engineer grad, I was amazed to read in the alumni magazine some years ago that the entering grade point average was over 4.0.(A+) The explanation was that so many took high-school honors courses that gave them extra points. OK, I'll buy that, until near the end of the same article where it noted that a high percentage of the same students had to take the remedial courses we used to call "bonehead english," etc.

Walter Maybee
Albuquerque, NM

Carol's right on this one!
If the need for a degree is so critical in todays economy, why do we have so many degreed unemployed-and so many low-skilled illegal immigrants?

Not everyone should go to college-not everyone is college material. Why do universtities want everyone enrolled as long as their breathing on their own? More $$ from the public coffers! Our real problem is we're not teaching basic skills at the k-12 level. We're misleading kids when we expect them to acquire a degree and they cant even master basic math and English.

This whole fallacy skews even the job market-I see employers screening out perfectly viable candidates because there are so many degrees floating around that they limit their workforce search to only the degreed-for jobs that dont require a degree! You simply end up with a college grad working at a lower wage job he feels overqualified for and cant pay off his college loans with. Meanwhile Joe Low-Average stays unemployed because illegal workers snap up all the jobs he would qualify for. I'm talking factory jobs and the building trades in particular.

College is NOT the next natural step after high school-college used to be reserved for the qualified few-and the rest had no problem with that. Now, we have allowed this elitist attitude to either subject our college professors and their under-achieving students to never-ending frustration or relegates average students to a life of under-employment and dis-satisfaction with themselves and their efforts.

The whole idea that everyone needs a college education is a touch schizophrenic. A decent basic k-12 education teaches these kids the maximum they are able to learn and then steers them toward a vocational education that suits their needs and interests-and better job prospects. It results in a better over-all workforce and everyone wins instead of being reminded from age 5 on up that they are losers if they dont get a college degree.

Degree
I was teacher at a college and I was quite amazed at how many students had a hard time writing complete sentences and reading. It made me wonder how they graduated high school.

trade schools are fine
I graduated from the North Avenue Trade School in Atlanta and have done fine in my career.

Who cares
if students are competent or not? Just keep that tuition money coming in!

Questioning the value of education
Our culture is increasingly failing to realize that going to college is an economic decision. In order to access high-level careers and positions, you go into heavy debt to pay for intellectual training that will qualify you for some of those opportunities. Businesses make decisions of this kind all the time, but when individuals do it, liberals get involved and declare it a moral issue.

Education is not a right, and no one should go to college just for self-improvement. It is an economic decision. If you don't think you can recoup your money, then you should not go because that would be an unproductive decision, like taking the cash out of your wallet and setting it on fire. The notion that getting a college education automatically makes you more valuable to society in some Platonic way is irrational. The job market establishes how much your education is worth. If you cannot recoup your costs from the education, then it was a bad decision and everyone is worse off.

We need to destroy the education-as-a-right notion of the liberals. It is a recipe for slavery, both of the students and the taxpayers.

Too many persons in college for too long
I've been saying for years that 17 years (K-12 + 4 coll) of INSTITUTIONAL education for every person, particularly of the quality present, is the greatest waste and abuse of human time and resources in our country.
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