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Friday, December 21, 2007
Rich Tucker :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Foolishness of Fearmongering
by Rich Tucker
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It’s important to remember the past and to learn from it, but you’ll never move ahead if you spend all your time looking backward. So why do so many presidential candidates spend so much time peering over their shoulders?

“The first time I ever came out to Iowa was with Senator Culver on his first campaign in ’74. And one thing seems different now. You ride across this magnificent state and you see so much open land -- and so few farmers,” Sen. Joe Biden said during a Democratic debate on Dec. 13. And, he wondered, “How do you preserve family farmers? [There are] only 550,000 of them left. And if you continue the system the way it is, it’s breaking the system. It’s going to just flat break the system.”

But asking how many farmers there are in Iowa, or in the entire country, entirely misses the point. The correct question is: “Are we producing enough food?” Our farms produce more food than ever. We feed the world. Meanwhile, the USDA says American families spend less than 10 percent of their disposable income on food, leaving us more money for other things. If fewer farmers are growing more food, it’s difficult to understand why that’s a bad thing.

Former Sen. John Edwards, who’s positioning himself as the enemy of American corporations, is also stuck in the past. He claims that, because of trade with China, we’ve “lost millions of jobs.”

Wrong. The United States has added jobs in each of the last 51 straight months. Wages are increasing, too, and unemployment rates remain extremely low. If George Bush has presided over the “worst economy since Herbert Hoover,” as John Kerry claimed in 2004, it’s difficult to imagine what a good economy would look like.

Of course, in any active economy, people do lose their jobs. And Edwards has met at least one of those people. “Right here in Iowa, the Maytag plant in Newton closed. A guy named Doug Bishop, who I got to know very well, had worked in that plant and his family had worked in that plant literally for generations. And his job is now gone. The same thing, by the way, happened in the plant that my father worked in when I was growing up,” Edwards declared.

It is a shame when anyone loses a job. But it’s critical to remember that, in order for an economy to grow, there simply must be some disruption. When globalization works, some people are going to lose their jobs, but more people are going to gain jobs. That’s exactly what’s happened in the U.S. economy in recent years.

Edwards mentioned textile plants, so let’s go even further back, before his father’s day, to the early 1900s. Back then, South Carolina’s economy was heavily dependent on textile mills. Maybe you’ve heard of a man named “Shoeless” Joe Jackson. He played a bit of baseball.

Well, Joe didn’t go to elementary school, because his family needed him to work in the mills so they could make ends meet. He never learned to read or write, so his wife signed his papers for him. Just a century ago there were plenty of kids like Shoeless Joe.

These days kids in South Carolina go to school, while many of their parents work in the BMW plant instead of the textile mill. More than 110,000 people in the state work for foreign employers. These jobs pay well, too. The federal government’s Bureau of Economic Analysis says the earnings of persons employed in South Carolina increased 5.7 percent from 2004 to 2005.

The Organization for International Investment, a business association, calculates that “U.S. subsidiaries of companies headquartered abroad support 5.1 million American jobs, with an annual payroll of close to $336 billion.” But you can’t attract these “in-sourced” jobs if you try to seal our economy in amber and protect every existing job, as so many presidential candidates seem to want to do. Should we have started subsidizing horse-and-buggy makers when cars were invented?

Look at Europe, where countries such as France have tried to protect every existing job by making it almost impossible to fire an employee, no matter how poorly he performs. As a result, companies are reluctant to hire new people, so the country suffers from high unemployment (8.3 percent in the third quarter of this year). And unemployment is even higher among younger people, those who ought to be the workers of the future. One in five people under 25 can’t find a job.

History is a terrific tool. We should learn from it and make sure we keep moving forward with optimism.

Ignore the fearmongers on the campaign trail. It’s impossible to freeze an economy without freezing new people out. Life in the United States is better today than it’s ever been, and it’ll be better still next month, next year and in decades to come.

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What???
What are those "added" jobs, Rich? Are they paying above poverty level? Are they of the mercenary persuasion? Give us details because I want to know.
And whose wages are increasing? The CEO of Halliburton? The hedge fund guru on Wall Street? I KNOW you're not talking about anybody's wages below the millionaire marker, unless of course you're talking about the minimum wage increase the Dems had to fight tooth and nail to pass through a hostile GOP block in Congress and the "benevolent" veto pen of Bush.

And here's a word about REAL fearmongering: Lying to our country that Iran is building nuclear warheads specifically to target us and Israel, even while knowing that this claim is false. Starting an illegal and unjust war based on the lies regarding a threat of WMD, while knowing that the claim is false - conflating the 9/11 attacks with Saddam Hussein, while knowing that the two were not remotely entwined. Leading a fearful people to accept a war that has devastated a country of innocents and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children - THAT'S fearmongering.

fearmongering enough to go around
I think most politicians use fear to get nearly all of their goals. if we don't fund this or that, then the children will starve in the freezing dark, teachers won't make enough money to survive, all farmers go out of business, every manufacturer will lose all of their jobs to china, no one will be able to afford college, every poor person will go to jail, no one would be able to read or write, and we'd all hang blacks and homosexuals for fun.

It gets tiresome, but the sheeple eat it up. You'd never guess that it was an unfettered capitalist system that freed women from the drudgery of much housework, or allowed for enough income to let a family's younger children start going to school instead of working when they were six.

talisman
You are the most moronic idiot i have ever seen post here.
You know nothing, you are nothing and you will be nothing because "it ain't my fault" is your attitude.
Give your mind ample time to think, then open your mouth.

BusinessWeek & the Labor Shortage Myth
BusinessWeek: …A North American economist at Merrill Lynch…is one of a number of economists who say the concerns about too few workers are vastly overblown… Rosenberg argues the simplest way to gauge whether there’s a worker shortage is to look at the price of labor. According to the basic laws of economics, the tighter the supply of labor, the more it should cost. So if the economy were operating with full or near-full employment, we would be seeing an “explosion in labor compensation,” he says.

The price of labor, however, is hardly surging. In fact, key indicators of employee costs show they are tracking or trailing inflation. Average hourly earnings are running at 3.9% year over year, and the employment cost index is at 3.5% year over year.

Most Americans certainly aren’t finding their incomes exploding. The wages of 80% of the U.S. workforce—made up of nonsupervisory workers—have been stagnating since the late-1990s boom ended. On Aug. 20, the government released data that showed the average household income increased 4.1% in 2005, to $55,238. But that’s still below the average household income in 2000.

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http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/businessweek-the-l abor-shortage-myth

On the other hand
Our firm has at least 50 openings for trained legal secretaries, male or female. We cannot find them anywhere, and our firm is not the sort that can lure them from other firms which is the usual source of new ones. Our secretarial pool is rapidly reaching retirement age, or is on its free year off with pay that they get for pregnancy; the firm pays enough money for a good secetary to support a family, and the perqs are also good. We cannot find the people who can read, write, punctuate, spell, show up on time and stay til the work is done, speak politely and knowledgeably to clients, keep calendars current, dress appropriately, and think ahead without having to be told Now Breathe In, Now Breathe Out.

And if we are short by 50 secretaries, you can multiply that by fifty law firms and see that at least in one industry we are hiring.

Now, you are not going to get any of that Work Life Balance crapola from this kind of job; and your work is really going to make a difference in someones life nearly every day -- if you screw up, somebody can lose millions of dollars. And it seems that plenty of people just do not want that kind of responsibility.

So claiming that there are No Jobs Except Subsistent Jobs is nonsense. There are jobs that th current Generation Whine refuses to do because it interferes with their teevee and Nintendo. That is something quite different.

AudiR10 hit the nail on the head!
__Directly on the head with the comment, "people just do not want that kind of responsibility.". They do not want it, nor do they have it. My parents grew up on, in, farm country, textile mills. Worked every day, from dawn to dusk, since they were old enough, and learned the need to do so. For family, for community. The farms declined, the mills closed, and they moved on. On to other jobs, of completely different duties, and greater travel distance. They were not of a one peg fits all society, has they learned from their life history, with tools, and responsility, letting them roll with the punches. Liberal legislation, based on speculation, has created a welfare society knowing, if you take a punch the medicine man is there with a cure. History shows, what started as a temporary fix, for those down on there luck, has failed. The bureaucracy it created is of a one peg fits all solution that removes individual responsibility. One big left hammer pounding pegs into the holes of their decision, for their prosperity. If you do not fit the hole, no problem. You are still an asset on their books, has greater federal dollars will flow their way, of which you receive a portion.

pandm
Take a chill pill, dude.

If you have a problem with what talisman posted then refute his exact quotes, or answer his questions.

All you did in your post is try to get in a sound bite.

"Give your mind ample time to think, then open your mouth."

Heed your own advice next time, please.

talisman
You forgot something that's etched on our national consciousness: Pit-bull Cheney hauled out of his cave in 2004 to bark at the American people, "Vote for Kerry and we'll all die", or words to that effect. That is the gold standard of fear-mongering, unless it's "mushroom cloud" or "they will follow us home".

Tucker's Sleazy Tactic
Tucker mocks Edwards for personalizing a political issue by referring to one specific individual. Did Tucker mock Bush for doing the same thing? It is hard to imagine Bush giving a State of the Union Address without focusing the spotlight on some parent who is just chuckling with glee because she has had a son killed in Iraq and who just happens, by sheer chance of course, to be sitting in the front row of the audience.

To AudiR10
You can't find fifty secretaries? Silly, all you need to do is outsource the work to India. I understand that the X-rays at my local hospital are now being faxed over there to be read. Every single time I need tech support for anything from computer to cable remote I get an Indian on the line. Four young computer engineers in my extended family (all with good college degrees, one of them from MIT) have seen their jobs, if not the entire Information Technology department, go to India. Surely you can use that good old American resourcefulness and know-how and just whisk that little old typing job to, say, Mumbai or Calcutta.

syler
Just what in talisman's screed is there to refute? It's the same old garbage that the empty headed anti-Bush crowd have been parroting for years now.
When a poster consistently does this sort of thing, why waste time and bandwidth to address baseless claims and outright fabrications that have been disproven over and over again so many times already.
Does one have to do an in depth analysis of excrement in order to prove to your satisfaction that's what it is?

syler
Talisman's "questions"? They wern't questions, they were statements.

His "exact" quotes popped out of his fragmented mind and that qualifies as an idiot.

Lily
is another poster here that can put you to sleep with the repetitive non-information she spews.

Independent Thinker, pandm
Syler was absolutely correct in his assessment of pandm's post.

I can see where you might dismiss the attacks on our original involvement in Iraq. There was intelligence indicating that Iraq DID have weapons of mass destruction which were later refuted after we had already committed our forces. For the sake of argument, let us just say there was no guilt on the part of Bush over that.

How do you defend Bush's actions in regard to Iran? The intelligence was available to him since at least this summer than there was no nuclear program in Iran, but he continued to push for war against them using the excuse that they were building nukes. In fact, he flat out lied to the American people. There is no denying this one.

And if Bush is lying to us now about Iran, it really makes one wonder if he was in fact lying to us about Iraq.

Khomar, do you play chess?
__Or have any understanding of strategy when protecting, while positioning needed defenses, when faced with an apparent threat. You said that Bush has been pushing for war with Iran, has they were building nuclear weapons. It's more along the lines, they were seeking, and building, capabilities to enrich uranium. All under the guise of enriching for nuclear power. President Bush has been warning of the possibilities that could occur, based on the fact, if Iran was left unchecked. The intelligence agency, along with President Bush, played intelligence gathered in their favor. Iran moved their pieces accordingly, and it looks like they will get enriched uranium, without the need to enrich it themselves. Thus putting in place controls, and checks, on any subversive moves they could have made enriching uranium on their own. Certainly is a good thing President Bush thinks ahead, according to intelligence department, rebuilt, and gathering intelligence.

The republican mantra IS fear mongerin
How freaking hypocritical can you get.. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!

Did you miss the OBVIOUS fact that Bush got elected in 2004 BECAUSE of FEAR MONGERING.

Thats your great recipe for political success..

Not only should we trample all over the constitution, torture and spy on our citizens because of FEAR MONGERING.. We should FEAR.. "Fear itself"

FDR is turning over in his grave.. His reaction to Pearl Harbor was one of a true patriot.. The reaction of Bush was one of a cowardly unamerican chickenhawk..

BUSH/CHENEY is the most ignoble unamerican president in the history of our country!

The hypocritical bushworlders
How freaking hypocritical can you get.. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!

Did you miss the OBVIOUS fact that Bush got elected in 2004 BECAUSE of FEAR MONGERING.

Thats your great recipe for political success..

Not only should we trample all over the constitution, torture and spy on our citizens because of FEAR MONGERING.. We should FEAR.. "Fear itself"

FDR is turning over in his grave.. His reaction to Pearl Harbor was one of a true patriot.. The reaction of Bush was one of a cowardly unamerican chickenhawk..

BUSH/CHENEY is the most ignoble unamerican president in the history of our country!

The only thing to fear is fear itself
talisman

You cannot Argue with Ignorance, nor Debate with Stupidity, or the IADS Syndrome. So, sir, please take a long walk on a short pier! IMHO! But, first have a Merry Christmas! :-)


Expound Truth
You bring up good points, and I will offer that perhaps I spoke too strongly in calling it "a lie". However, his comments were certainly misleading and, in the subject of this thread, certainly fearmongering. Bush used rhetoric like "World War III" and "nuclear holocaust" when referring to Iran's nuclear program, but with Israel having hundreds of nuclear weapons and the capability of delivering them to Iranian soil, does anyone seriously think Iran would use those weapons when it assures their own destruction.

While it is dangerous to assume that there is no threat (I don't), it is equally dangerous to overstate the danger and create an atmosphere of fear that will lead to war. Even scanning the threads here on TownHall, you will see many people expressing a desire to expand the Iraq war into Iran. This goes far beyond diplomatic pressure, and it is a direct result of the rhetoric of George Bush.

The talk regarding Iran looked frighteningly similar to that used regarding Iraq prior to the Iraq War, and to think we may have pushed our country over the brink of war for a nuclear program that didn't even exist. It would have been the Iraq WMD story all over again.

Loss of Jobs to China
Just because we have more jobs in the United States now than then, does not mean that we didn't loose jobs to China. In fact we did. Everything we import from a country with a difference in the amount favoring import compared to how much we export, we are in fact loosing jobs to that country. Wake up and smell the coffee man.

vamtns41
This poster is a perfect example of exactly what I am talking about.. A supporter of the ABUSE of our troops and the trampling of our constitution..

Someone who is extremely ignorant of the facts and chooses to live in the fact free zone of Bushworld.. while they take potshots against the reality of the informed who make them feel just a little uncomfortable in their peaceful little sleep!!

Have a very unmerry Christmas.. :-(

Beware fear mongering...
I really like the crux of your article. My favorite memorial in DC is the FDR memorial where the quote: "The Only Thing to Fear is Fear Itself."

However, how can you write an article denouncing fear mongering without even mentioning the "War on Terror"? Or the "War on (fill in the blank)"?

Next, it is important to note how few family farmers there are. Biden did not "entirely" miss the point. I think you have. Yes, we have enough "food" - if that's what you call the processed, tasteless 'produce' loaded with pesticides and preservatives. But people like those in my family who've farmed for generations and all they know is farming, are being pushed out of farming because we can not take advantage of the Economies of Scale of the Corporate farmers. Thus, the farming families are being pushed into new fields that we don't necessarily know anything about.

heckofajob
Do you listen in church? Turn thy cheek. Have a Merry Christmas vamtns41.

I sure hope that none of our troops will be harmed, but I recognize it will be rather hollow if we torture our own prisoners.

Fearmongering or Warning
Was Paul Revere guilty of fearmongering? When the threat is real, it's not fearmongering to warn people. However, when you play up a threat and imply that your political opponent will bring it to pass, as Joe Biden did, that's fearmongering.

It's also a basic political tool and protected by the first amendment, but voters need to be able to think critically and spot sophistries and fallacies which abound in politics, advertising and lawyers.

He was not being a fearmonger.
__It was raising awareness to our society of a potential problem. For Iranian leadership, and their terrorist allies, it was done to put the fear of God into radical Islamics. The people, of this Republic, you hear backing up a possible war, are those adding to President Bush's call. They did not speak out of fear, these people speak of our strength. The ones you hear speaking about fear, are those who fear losing dollars to a war effort, when those dollars could be better spent for their prosperity. It is why you have seen many politicians putting in last minute earmarks on needed legislation. With no debate, or approval measures, they pay off their base of faction. The real fearmongers within American society. Born of turmoil, and turbulance, they continue espousing their relevance, though never having ended the situation that created them. They fear loss, and any war effort takes away their progressive pay raises.

Expound Truth
"It was raising awareness to our society of a potential problem."

I do not buy that. There is a way to talk about a threat without inciting fear and hatred, and I believe our military actions in the Middle East have given ample evidence of our capabilities to our enemies. I might be willing to believe you if we had entered diplomatic negotiations with Iran, but we have not. Instead, George Bush has insulted them by demanding an unconditional surrender of their nuclear program before we will even talk to them diplomatically. This is an absurd request because we KNOW that they cannot comply. To do so would greatly diminish them in the eyes of their people and their neighbors making them vulnerable to both.

We are forcing them into a position where they have no options, and that is a very dangerous thing to do. It is as if we WANT to have a war with Iran. We are like the school-yard bully trying to pick a fight. This is not honorable. This is the epitome of cowardice, and I assure you that we will earn the derision of the world should we pursue this course.

How can you rationalize this course of action? Would it not be better to at least enter into diplomatic negotiations to avoid this conflict rather than holding their country for ransom and endanger the entire region -- the entire world should China or Russia become involved -- for a pointless show of force?

for Khomar
Khomar writes: "We are forcing them into a position where they have no options, and that is a very dangerous thing to do. It is as if we WANT to have a war with Iran. "

In a sense, we do want to have a war with Iran.

Because if we don't, Israel will.

Israel has already made that clear to Condi Rice: If you don't fix Iran, we're going to fix Iran.

After that relatively dovish NIE got released, there's now talk in Israel that the NIE has made a pre-emptive strike by Israel on Iran more likely rather than less likely, because now the Israelis think that America has abandoned them and *their* back is to the wall.

SteveL
"In a sense, we do want to have a war with Iran. Because if we don't, Israel will."

This doesn't make any sense to me. Assuming that what you say is true, why should we fight the war instead of the Israelis? If there is going to be a war anyway, why should we even be involved. Why should our men and women in uniform be asked to give their lives to fight for a war that doesn't have anything to do with them? Is Israel wants to pick a fight with Iran and we are not opposed to this action, then why don't we get out of the way and let them. Why should we fight a war for Israel when they are the only ones who WANT to fight a war with Iran?

It just doesn't make any sense. If we are to be involved at all, shouldn't it be to maintain peace in the region instead of being an accomplice to war?

Family farms
In France, there are still plenty of family farms producing for the local merchants. Know why?

Back in the 1950s, when food processing was still a pretty young industry, the US was toying with the question of whether and in what form to allow colorants and preservatives to be added to foods for sale in the markets. France dealt with the entire issue by saying "No." Food coloring is illegal in France, and so are preservatives.

The result is that in France, any food you buy in a restaurant or a grocery store has to be local. This requires local farmers. Small farms stayed in business.

In the US, though, the farms didn't have to be local to the markets. They could be shipped to huge food processing plants, cooked, colored, preserved, and canned or frozen. Then the processor could ship the food anywhere it liked, any time it liked. With this in place, it became uneconomical to maintain a small farm, and large interests bought up all the land.

Of course, Biden doesn't understand this at all. His solution would probably be another regulatory wall attempting to hold back the tide. It'll just distort the market more.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

Roosevelt And Fear
You STUPID Libs always TRY to quote FDR, but you NEVER get it right! He NEVER said "fear is nothing, it's a lie" as you seem to think. Here is the line:

"So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."

Got that? In facy "...unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance." seems to discribe you Liberals to a "T".

Here is the whole speach:
historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5057


I guess
fear mongering is in the eyes of the beholder. When Bush/Cheney said that there hadn't been an attack on America since 9/11, that didn't seem like FM to me; they were just pointing out that national security was a priority for the Repubs & not for the Dems. But this crazy "jobs are being lost" fear mongering is like trying to outlaw innovation.

Khomar Israel picks no fight with Iran,.
...but Iran speaks, and moves with hostility, supporting murder, and destruction of Israel. Concerning your statement that, "our military actions in the Middle East have given ample evidence of our capabilities to our enemies.", is the exact reason Islamic radicals are up in arms. Their power, and influence, on Mid East society is severely limited with our presence there. Israel has always been a thorn in their side, and a democracized Iraq, would create a sliver the size of a hemlock tree. Bin ladens aggressiveness towards the west over played the radical Islamic hand. Had he not awakened the sleeping giant they would have been able to continue their unchecked goal of conquest. This war has been going on for centuries in the M.E., and we saw it from a far. Now we have a large presence there and it will be a great deal more difficult for them. The covert infiltration of Islamic radicals into societies has been restricted.

Missing the point on economy
Good article over all, but when you talk about the economy I think it is important to mention real wages, not wages. As the dollar of the value continues to fall and my 4% raise doesn't even keep up with inflation, the only thing that gives me hope is that my mortgage stays the same even though I am losing to inflation. Kind of like our debt to foreign countries in a way = )

Expound Truth
I understand the threat of the spread of Islam, and while it is certainly true that many if not most Muslims are peaceful and good people, it is an undeniable fact that aspects of the religion attract extremism that leads to violence. We should be concerned as we seen Islam spread across Europe and even gain a foothold within our own borders.

However, what I have a problem with is our tactics. Islam, even radical Islam, is not isolated to the Middle East. We attacked Iraq, and now we are talking about attacking Iran to confront radical Islam. But what is next? Should we then invade Syria? Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? Northern Africa? Indonesia? By this time, we will need to consider invading parts of Europe. We are talking about a religion that boasts over 1 billion people that is spread over most of the world. Do we really think that we can stop its spread by military force?

While we may have thwarted their plans for a time, we have also inflamed their anger. Recruitment for Al Qaeda has increased dramatically since the invasion of Iraq, and our continued animosity toward Muslims is increasing tensions around the world. If we plan on fighting this militarily, there can only be one conclusion: genocide. We will not be freed from this until every radical Muslim is killed -- and how do you distinguish a radical from someone who is merely devout?

Do you see the problem? The alternative is to fight the war the only way it can really be won: by winning the hearts and minds of people. This can never be done by force of arms. It can be done by extending the hand of friendship, by sending help and aid in their times of need, and by demonstrating the advantages of liberty, justice, and peace in our own foreign policy and in our own country.

Healthcare system anti-life?
MSNBC-Family sues insurer who denied teen transplant

17-year-old girl died hours after Cigna finally agreed to pay for new liver

The family of a 17-year-old girl who died hours after her health insurer reversed a decision and said it would pay for a liver transplant plans to sue the company, their attorney said Friday.

Nataline Sarkisyan died Thursday at about 6 p.m. at the University of California, Los Angeles Medical Center. She had been in a vegetative state for weeks, said her mother, Hilda.

Attorney Mark Geragos said he plans to ask the district attorney to press murder or manslaughter charges against Cigna HealthCare in the case. The insurer “maliciously killed her” because it did not want to bear the expense of her transplant and aftercare, Geragos said

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http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/healthcare-system- anti-life

Greenhornet
You STUPID Libs
***
Can't any Right Winger on this website make a polite statement. Sometimes I get so sick of all of you, I want to scream.

I had just read a most reasoned and intelligent
post by Khomar after having read some very nice
posts by all on both sides under a couple of other columns and one or two responses to Khomar's post that took a different but polite view. I was beginning to think that the
Christmas spirit was invading everyone and
it was quite a joy.

Then I come to yours. Hardly the worst I have
seen around here. The timing had something to
do with my fury at reading it. Pandm shows up
later and says even worse. But then he always
does. I am not sure I have seen anything from
you before.

Anyway, please clean it up. It does not speak
well of you or your cause, whatever that may be,
at all.

Fear Is The Antithesis of Faith
The Magic of faith
Copyright (C)2000 Phillip L. Hansen
What is faith?

1 NOW faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
(New Testament | Hebrews 11:1)

Faith as a scientific principle:

NOW FAITH IS
-The substance:
...(assurance, purpose, motive, aspiration, goal or righteous desire)

-of things hoped for:
...(better life, better world, joy, happiness or what is on our heart)

-the evidence:
...(found by contemplating, meditating and pondering upon the fruits we reap, and feedback from observed facts, revealing the principles and laws in force that govern all things; to experience the, “Aha” moment as warm burning fire of the heart or a peace that surpasses passes beyond understanding, or a stupor of thought or nothing.)

-Of things not seen:
...(discovered and learned through research in practical explorations, planned inquires, and investigations to be confirmed through all these points.)

Edited and published with permission.
You may copy and use for non-profit as long as you include this note with this comment.

What Faith Will Do For You”
http://e-spirituality.townhall.com/g/17900db3-516e-4562-a9c 6-095ecf896fe2

Not Something To Stuff Down The Throat
Greenhornet writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 7:23 PM
Roosevelt And Fear
---
A Spicy Thanks and Recommendation

A wonderful piece of history. Thank you very much. Next time would you wrap it with a little more kindness, a ribbon of respect and a twine of encouragement.

God bless you. Merry Christmas

Not Something To Stuff Down The Throat
Greenhornet writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 7:23 PM
Roosevelt And Fear
---
A Spicy Thanks and Recommendation

A wonderful piece of history. Thank you very much. Next time would you wrap it with a little more kindness, a ribbon of respect and a twine of encouragement.

God bless you. Merry Christmas

Lemonade writes: "Greenhornet"
I'm sorry for scaring you, but most truths are unpleasant.

Spiceman (Not Something To Stuff Down The Throat)
Thank you for your reply. You're right, I could and SHOULD have phrased my post better, but I am just so sick of Liberals misquoting, or PARTLY quoting historical figures who can no longer defend themselves.
My point about FDR's speach (I am a SOUTHERN Democrat, decended from Southern Democrats, by the way) is that Liberals are so full of FEAR that they will not alow needed action because "someone" MIGHT be offended. We live in a soverigne nation, a CONSTITUTIONAL republic (Not a "free republic", ROBERT) and our government should act to serve the people of the United States, not be concerned about our "image". I know that "image is a good thing in diplomatic circles, but even in diplomatic matters your first concern is for YOUR OWN country.
Another misquote I read here and elsewhere is from General Butler, USMC. Butler said after his retirment "War is a racket" and Libs love to quote that in their unreasoning hate for the military, but the general was talking about crooked manufactuers and polititions.
Here is the whole speach:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4377.htm

Also, take into account that there was a strong anti-intervention movement in the US at the time, a lot of people wanted to let the world make their own way without FORGINE AID or our military. When argueing war with Liberals, they insist that wars be handled by "UN troops", but (in case you didn't know) THERE IS NO SUCH THING! The UN has no army, navy or air force, they depend on member nations to supply the flesh and blood to do their dirty work. Historicly, a lot of that has been supplied by the United states of America. (One more reason why a lot of Conservatives want us out of the UN)

talisman,lilly,konop
talisman is a sniviling coward who is more afraid of a draft than anything.
lilly is flat anti-republican,period.
Nothing is ever good enough for konop.
I had a truck stolen last month.
I replaced it with an '08 Mustang.
That would have been inconceivable just a few years ago.
I'm a pizza guy, yet the dealership cut me a deal for a pony.
If you think the economy is tanking- you aren't trying at all.
Just a question, how much did you spend on Christmas this year, compared to last year?
I'll just bet it's more.
Quit your whining and get to work.

?
No complaints from stage left?
Damn, I'm good.

Thank You For The Gift
Greenhornet writes:
Saturday, December, 22, 2007 12:00 PM
Lemonade writes: "Greenhornet"
I'm sorry for scaring you, but most truths are unpleasant.
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Thank you for your considerate and kind example. When I read your first post, I felt that you wanted to share a reasonable truth. It was a real education, and I felt your genuine intent, which we sometimes do not see at first glance.

You have a wealth of wisdom and knowledge from my perception, in your humble response. You seem to have a treasure and depth of understanding in the value of truth and veracity. You remind me of the articulate GOP Candidate Mitt Romney. I hope you do not mind that comparison.

Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones!

I agree with this columnist
That fearmongering is a destructive and dishonest wy of governing. We have had twelve years of it under Bush, and while it served his purpose to get him re-elected it has dragged down the culture and the country, involved us in a pointless, ego-driven war, and created an administrations that deceives us, operates in secrecy, and still, while using the fear-tactic, is able to enlist the support of the naive.

The hysteria-fear-campaign employed by radio prop-jocks, TV personalities and government officials to get votes has now created a near panic response regarding immigration and muslims that drains our real problem-solving energies and freedom to decide for ourselves what is important.
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