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Saturday, October 20, 2007
Rich Tucker :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Depressing Lack of Bad News
by Rich Tucker
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Bad news, folks. We’re winning in Iraq.

According to a front page story in The Washington Post, “The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows to al Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration of victory over the group.”

Wait -- isn’t that good news? As Charlie Gibson put it on ABC’s World News Tonight, “One item from Baghdad, today. The news is that there is no news. The police told us that to their knowledge, there were no major acts of violence. Attacks are down in Baghdad, and today, no bombings or roadside explosions were reported.”

Oh, come on, Post. Come on, ABC. You’re not trying hard enough. Any story can be bad news if you’re willing to dig deep enough.

Luckily for us, the Baghdad bureau of McClatchy Newspapers did just that. “A drop in violence around Iraq has cut burials in the huge Wadi al Salam cemetery here by at least one-third in the past six months,” Jay Price and Qasim Zein reported. “That’s cut the pay of thousands of workers who make their living digging graves, washing corpses or selling burial shrouds.”

See, finding the bad news is easy. The reporters even managed to find a struggling, out-of-work deathworker to comment. “Certainly, when the number of dead increases I feel happy, like all workers in the graveyard,” 30-year-old Basim Hameed lamented. “This happiness comes from the increase in the amount of money we have.”

Well, maybe not.

Few of us have more money than rock stars, yet that money can’t buy them love or, apparently, good health. A recent study of 1,000 rockers found that rockers are “two to three times more likely to suffer a premature death than the general population.” The Rolling Stones are the exception that proves the rule. Mark Bellis, the lead author of the study, suggests this may be because impoverished former rockers often lack health insurance.

There’s a simple solution to all this, and it’s amazing that nobody’s thought of it yet. We need to make rock stars eligible for SCHIP.

For those who haven’t been paying attention, that’s the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, launched in the 1990s to provide health care to children whose parents were too poor to purchase insurance.

Like all government programs, SCHIP is expanding, not contracting. This month lawmakers approved bill a bill that would have made government health care available to families that earn three times the federal poverty level, as much as $62,000 for a family of four. That earned a sensible, and -- sadly -- rare, veto from President Bush, a veto that’s now been upheld.

Still, the SCHIP debate has been enlightening. In trying to make their case, Democrats rolled out spokeschildren including Graeme Frost, a Maryland 12-year-old who’d benefited from SCHIP. But the Frost family is, by all accounts, what we once would have called “middle class.” If they need federal health care to make ends meet, who doesn’t?

The problem may well be our perception of the economy. By most measures, things are good. The stock market is near a record high. Our economy adds jobs month in and month out. Eight million new jobs in the last four years.

Yet in the midst of the boom, Americans don’t feel wealthier. In fact, a recent CNN poll showed that 46 percent of Americans think our economy is in recession. A mere 51 percent don’t. Clearly the mainstream media’s relentless focus on bad economic news is taking its toll.

For example, it hammers away on the supposed collapse in the mortgage market, even though housing prices almost everywhere have soared in recent years, and any slowdown in growth now is probably a correction, not a catastrophe. Such examples fit the media’s storyline that many, if not most, Americans are just a paycheck away from disaster.

Yet the reality is we’ve never had it so good. We have more gadgets and conveniences than ever. What hinders us more than anything are the poor choices we often make.

As W. Michael Cox and Richard Alm of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas noted in 2004, today’s Americans work less and can afford more than families in the 1970s did. “Hard data on work, leisure and consumption belie the image of overworked, overspent Americans,” they wrote in Investors Business Daily. “Americans aren’t working harder to afford the house, car and creature comforts usually associated with a middle-class lifestyle.”

In other words, we spend more these days because we choose to spend more, and because we have more to spend. Those are good problems to have.

We finally have a viable exit strategy from the war in Iraq. We’re going to win and come home. Too bad we haven’t yet fashioned a strategy for escaping the media’s relentless focus on bad news.

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The MSM
turns the old saw on it's head: "Good news is no news."

The corollary to "If it bleeds, it leads" is "If it doesn't bleed, what's the point?"

No News is Good News and can't have that
"One item from Baghdad, today. The news is that there is no news."
I saw this in Iraq a few days ago, the day after Mr Gibson said it. It was unbelievable to me. All the good things, all the reasons we were doing good, the schools being build, electric being restored, oil flow, governance projects etc. and the only thing we get is "aww shucks I can't tell you how many people got killed today by the evil Americans, even though almost all civilians are killed by AIF (Anti-Iraqi Forces).

I wondered if any townhall columnists would pick it up and glad to see you did.

Everyday we see more and more meetings where Sheiks and local leaders are comming together to be part of the process of healing this nation. The government of Iraq is reaching out to them and the next few months are crtical time for Iraq. THis is a huge focus over here (the political side).

Don't hold back LT
Tell us how you really feel about a serving US Senator. lol While I admire your courage in posting your name you really shouldn't make statements like that with your name publicly because it is a violation of UCMJ. I think as a disclaimer that all of us serving voice anonymous opinions here and they are not representing views of the Military. However I still advise caution On using your name because you never know who might use it against you.

Again just my opinion. I agree in general with your assement of Sen Reid of course just might want to keep it anonymous. I doubt anyone would accuse you of being a phoney soldier especially because you are a Jarhead lol (interservice humor as I hum the Dog Face Soldier Song)

What does winning mean NOW?
Rich Tucker:

What does winning mean now mr. right wing water carrier. It moves every day, "Mission accomplished" AGAIN? ha-ha

We’re winning so much you had to change the topic to what? SCHIP?

Than you say: "We need to make rock stars eligible for SCHIP"

Than after SCHIP propaganda you change the subject back to Iraq in the last paragraph you say, “WE ARE WINNING & HAVE AN EXIT STRATEGY?”

****
HOW DARE YOU MOCK IRAQ & S-CHIP & INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE!
****

MEN & WOMAN of the armed forces are standing in the crossfire of a civil war & you LAUGH about it. SCHIP for rock starts? WHAT?

$9 BILLION (plus 60 to 90 dead soldiers, plus more wounded, many grievously) every month, & we can't spend $30 bil for working POOR.

How many kids do you have? Tell me the co-pay & employee premium contribution to employer’s insurance for family of 4?

GOP’ers are pro-family, pro-life? I guess after you restrict birth control than force woman to give birth, screw the kids RIGHT? Unless you’re a zygote or brain dead coma patient life does not mean much? $64k is struggling with out catastrophic illness or accident. Insurance does not pay all. Hope tragedy does not befall you.

Iraq Gov: “Reconciliation is NEVER EVER GOING TO HAPPEN”. The folks want to kill each other for religion & control of OIL & the country.

Bush, Neo-Con's (GOP) got us in a war for no reason, with no end, costing us dearly. BUSH & GOP ARE INCOMPETENT & RULED AMERICA LIKE A MONARCHY, CONSTITUTION BE DAMN, NEO-CON AGENDA, WAR IN MID-EAST REGARDLESS OF FACTS.

WINNING? How naive & stupid are republicans to believe the lies you're spewing. 75% of America does not believe you. I'm independent BTW.

War is good business for Blackwater & Haliburton, who moved to Dubai to avoid investigation by the US government! Nice!

GOP WILL BANKRUPT AMERICA IN 5-7 YEARS STOP THEM

VOTE DEM '08 STOP THE MADNESS

Yellow Journalists
Double(if not triple) entendre intended. The NY Times should be known as the DNC Times. Dems in Congress have publicly stated to their later chagrin that our success in Iraq would likely cause political problems for their party. Anyone with a double digit IQ can understand the absence of good news from the ME on network news shows and the librags.

Spinning some good news
We are winning the war in Iraq because some unnamed US military personal says we advocate
declaration of victory?

Who exactly is saying that? What happened to the 1.4 billion muslims I was told over and over where going to come to the US and destroy us?
What about the story in the news the last few days about how their explosion devices are becoming smaller and more sophisticated, are they a different group of terroists? How about the recent explosions in Pakistan, last I heard they were Al Quaeda too. They seem to be as active as ever. When will the troops be coming home and the mismanged spending of our taxes stop?

The facts?
No, Bansk, not the facts!

Nice work.

The facts?
No, Banks, not the facts!

Nice work.

HEY TH READERS AND WRITERS!
We're winning!!! Stop the presses.

Bad news for MoveOn.traitors.org. No one wants America defeated in Iraq more than them. The very thought of America winning makes them weep.

How 'bout the Democrats running for President? Big time trouble for them. Last thing they want to hear. What if the whole Iraq issue goes down the tubes??!! You know that hissy fit Hillary has been holding back? You might see it.

NBC? CBS? Little Keith Obee of MSNBC? Anymore news like this and they'll their ratings will go even lower. If that's possible!

As Rich Tucker noted however, the MSM went into their cover-up mode. MoveOn.traitors.org, not to worry. All is well!! Your friends have come through. MSM will keep this "winning" thing quiet.

Hil. You're safe.

But what if we win full victory? The liberal, left will cry their eyes out and Hil's Presidential run will take three steps backwards. Big trouble in River City now. Well, keep up the good work MSM and maybe it won't happen. I mean America winning, of course.

gee, isn't this what we have wanted?
"There is a new anti-US block forming between Sunnnis and Shiites to expell US forces from Iraq and dismantle our bases. The block is an alliance between Sunni parlimentary leaders (including the vice president of Iraq) Muqtada al Sadr and his Mahdi Army (the most powerful Shia faction) and the Fadhila (the most powerful Shia group in Basra). The Grand Ayatollah Sistani (Iraq's most powerful Shiite cleric) has given his blessing to the group."

Haven't we stayed in Iraq in order for a coalition of Iraqis just like this one you describe to come together? Shiites and Sunnis joined in government and power-sharing so we can leave WITH HONOR. One must assume that if these diverse groups of Iraqis joined in order for us to withdraw, they would stay joined as a united Iraq and there would be no opportunities for outside forces in Saudi Arabia and/or Iran to meddle longer.

If things Get Better
There is the possibility that things will improve in Iraq. Notice I don't say probability because I have no direct knowledge of the dynamics of the situation there or an operating crystal ball. So there is the possibility. Were things to get better where does that leave the Libs? The position of the Democrat party is that not only is the war unwinnable but we have already lost. What if we don't lose?

The reality is that Iraq isn't the war. Iraq is one campaign in a war that will go on for some time. Will the Democrats put themselves in the position of declaring defeat every time a new campaign is launched? Have they come forth with a strategy to win the war that is substantially different than the one we are using now?

'Run Away,Run Away' works for Monty Python, for the rest of us not so much.

50,000
Another statistic pulled out of a liberals a$$

What Does Winning Mean Now?
Hey, JetPilot...talk about changing subjects! Following your convoluted argument

..."Mission accomplished, $30 bil for working POOR, co-pay & employee premium contribution, GOP’ers are pro-family, pro-life, birth control, zygote or brain dead coma patient, catastrophic illness or accident, BUSH & GOP ARE INCOMPETENT & RULED AMERICA LIKE A MONARCHY, CONSTITUTION BE DAMN, NEO-CON AGENDA, WAR IN MID-EAST REGARDLESS OF FACTS, War is good business for Blackwater & Haliburton, who moved to Dubai to avoid investigation by the US government!"...

is like slipping between parallel universes. You might have more luck with a coherent argument if you just write what you think, rather than randomly cutting and pasting whatever catches your eye on DailyKos.

Just a suggestion...keep up the good work. I like starting my day with a giggle.

Cheers//Hektor


You're right
USMC 2Lt:

Hey LT. Good advice about not signing your name, but not for the reason given. You took the same oath as me..."To support and defend the Constitution of the United States..." not bought and paid-for congressmen (paraphrase of MoveOn's statement about owning the Democratic Party). Your chain-of-command runs to the President, not Harry Reid. So, you're not subject to UCMJ for speaking the truth about someone not in your chain-of-command.

It's good advice because the men and women you lead look to you as the gold standard by which they shape their actions and behavior. They need to see you as publicly nonpartisan. It's deliberately-generated partisanship that's setting citizens at one another's throats these days, and practically the last nonpartisan bastion in this country is the military. Your troops will follow your example...for good or ill. They don't always know the difference between personal opinion and official policy. It's best to keep yourself above the fray publicly.

SEMPER FI!

Hektor,
Colonel, USAF (ret 2X)

The war is not lost yet!!!
This winter the Dems will trek over to Bin Laden’s cave and they will decide how to beat the enemy with a new US media strategy in ‘08, get him more supplies and weapons, and provide any other funding he needs to raise more troops.

Al Qeade
The fact that AQ in Iraq is beaten real y is good news, especially for those families who had their children tortured before their eyes by the thugs. Wouldn't be fair to say though, that it was the Iraqi people who were the ones who got sick of them and did a lot to clear them out? Its what libs have been saying along. As for Iraq, its still a mess. The middle class and professionals have all left. The Sunnis have had there communities blocked off and have no business activity and unemployment is sky high. I think our servicemen their ought to be given all a medal for there amazing work there also, lets pay them all like BW guys.

Okay, since I was SEVERELY REPRIMANDED

last week for NOT adequately warning posters about the "dolly llama" here it is.....

W A R N I N G!

Do not, under any circumstances, acknowledge the dolly! It is a left wing nut job who thinks on the level of Dingy Harry Reid.

If we ignore it, it doesn't mean it will go away anytime soon. We'll just have to scroll by the insipit posts. But sooner or later it might just leave.

Need I say more? I didn't think so.

(I hope this was good enough. I don't want to get reprimaned again! Whew!)



Sorry Jet Pilot...........
You are not only unconvincing, but your use of grammar and the language in general says loads about you.

You were not born and raised in the U.S.A. If that is not the case, and I believe it is, you were poorly educated and raised among people who are not of U.S. origin.

Above and beyond any other consideration, you are a definite nut case. You had best bailout of your little one seater toy jet before it catches fire and blows you to smithereens.



Try this one latebloomer
"If it doesn't bleed we'll find something that does."

Or

"If it doesn't bleed we'll say it does anyway."

And for Taft,

"Wouldn't be fair to say though, that it was the Iraqi people who were the ones who got sick of them and did a lot to clear them out?

That's right Taft, keep dogging the military. Keep dogging while you been "saying all along" that you support the troops.

You don't have the faintest idea what's going on in Iraq because you actually believe everything you see in the liberal media.

"Its what libs have been saying along."

No, what libs have actually been saying is that Iraq is a civil war. A civil war is where to factions of Iraqis fight each other, not a war in which the Iraqi people (which the libs have also been saying would never unite) unite to drive a bunch of foreign terrorists out of their country.

Next you'll be joining Harry Reid in trying to grab undeserved credit for the money Rush Limbaugh raised for MCLEF.

Right, Ann

In my contorted thinking all the lefty nut jobs should generally be ignored.

I'll give some like "jet pilot", one blow off, and after that it's, WHO.??. Invisible is the biggest put down although I'll admit that GunnyG and cohorts while they have a lot of fun trashing Roberta and HalD, too damn much fun, well, maybe it works.

Still, I back you Ann. Ignore, ignore and ignore.



Ah...Dolly Llama is here....
BTW Dolly Llama
I appreciate you stopping by my blog, but if your rebuttal is longer than one comment section will allow (you used three or four, I think) maybe you should write your own blog?

onceamarine: Good call!

Just scroll on by!

In fact, I have to go out this afternoon and buy a new mouse since the "scroll wheel" in my mouse no longer works as it should. HaHa

The funny part is, however, these lefty lunatics don't seem to get that when we "do" acknowledge them, we're just playing with them because NO ONE takes them seriously! :-)




wiseone
I wasn't "dogging "our troops. I think they would agree that the Iraqis had a lot to do with getting rid of AQ. If they will correct me, fine.

"Is what libs have been saying all along."

5. Bush attempted to associate the threat from al-Qaeda with Iran and Syria. Iran is a fundamentalist Shiite country that hates al-Qaeda. Syria is a secular Arab nationalist country that hates al-Qaeda. Indeed, Syria tortured al-Qaeda operatives for Bush, until Bush decided to get Syria itself.

Jan, 2006

Anne
I'm just here from the "electability" thread. Its beautiful. Like 20 posts without a troll, and many thought provoking ideas. The trolls almost never try to hook me, because i just won't play their game. At first i thought they were actually coming here to play pros and cons. After a couple weeks of non sequiturs, disinformation and ad hominnem and circular "arguments", i gave up. Its true GunnyG and Vic and some others get a kick out of doing the dozens. For me, i just get tired. so i don't do it.

Geez, Not this s**t again
Jetpilot, your response is just a bit schizophrenic and nothing more than a
regurgitation of leftist propaganda from DU, Kos, and MoveOn. In case it escaped you, this column was specifically about the lamestream media's bias. In that respect the column was very good and the examples used are 100% vaild.

Banks, cite your sources, where are you getting your "facts", same place as "jetpilot"?

Dolly Llama, same for you, cite your sources, "facts" coming from the same place as the other two "expert critical thinkers"?

The destruction of Saddam's military capability was a mission accomplished. Iraq was determined by your hero Clinton to be a state sponsor of terrorism. To wit; Saddam's checks to the widows of Palestinian terrorists and Zarqawis documented association with IIS and Saddam. Even the lamestream media printed what you now regard as a falsehood. According to the leaders of the left Saddam had WMD and there are numerous speeches by Dem leaders available on this subject. A real fact is that most of your leaders on the left agreed with those assessments and it's in the Congressional record for anyone to see. In the 90s regime change in Iraq (also verifiable fact) became a US policy endorsed by all the same leftists who so vocally oppose our efforts in Iraq now.

Any discussion without including those facts is nothing more than propagandizing our efforts for political gain. Not to mention absolutely dishonest!


Dodging the point again
Taft,

Liberals have been calling the Iraq war a civil war. You have refused to discuss this because even you know you have no case here.

Whatever assistance the Iraqi people have provided our troops in chasing al Qaeda out finally occurred because of the surge, because the surge showed them we would win, and because the administration convinced them with the surge that the US would not cut and run despite what was being constantly repeated by the Democrat Party in Congress and Media Wing of the Democrat Party, aka the "mainstream" media (which is not even mainstream).

Libs have not been discussing Syrian torture of al Qaeda terrorists. They have not been discussing foreign terrorists coming into Iraq from Syria, and even you in your post refuse to address the issue of foreign terrorists coming in from Iran and the fact that current residents of Club Gitmo include Jordanian, Egyptian, Morrocan, Syrian, and Saudi nationals.

The only time a lib brings up the Saudis in al Qaeda is when he wants to repeat the old canard about how the Bush and Saudi families are bosom buddies.

Liberals have NOT been saying "all along" that the Iraqis would drive out al Qaeda. They have been saying, all along, that it's a "civil war" and we have no business butting in (identical to what they said about Vietnam).

We are succeeding because we have perservered despite every attempt possible by the left to undermine our success. Now you want to change your story so you can say you were right "all along". But your weren't right. You were wrong. All along.

Norm
Are you saying the left is dishonest? That is hard to believe, they all seem like such nice people.

Trulib
I suppose I am, but you're right of course, they are all such nice and "tolerant" people.

Thanks, Rich
Nice to hear some good news from Iraq. None of this was in our local paper. What was in our local paper was an editorial written reportedly by about a dozen military personnel who had served in Iraq. The gist of the article was that we should not believe any positive news from Iraq, that it was basically propaganda, that the surge may be producing "paper" gains but in reality was just shifting the troublemakers to other spots where they would again rise up, etc.

I have come to believe that if Bin Laden was killed on worldwide TV, and Al Q formally declared defeat on Al Jazeera and pleaded with America to just let them crawl out of Iraq and go back in their spider holes; the Dems and MSM would find a way to put a negative spin on it.

Give up Norm
You will eventually figure out the trolls are not here to learn anything or even discuss anything. If you enjoy name calling or feel a need to reinforce your own views by posting them on the wind, join the trolls. That's all they are here for.

heads blown off for the pres. amusement
Ok where to begin read my blog. Email Rep Stark. I am tired and it is 5 1/2 hours after my twelve hour shift was over. But I had to post the blog and email the Rep. I used my real email and name to him but if anyone wants to write me at Tinsldr2@yahoo.com I am pretty ticked off right now.
Representative Pete Stark said “ You don’t have enough money to fund the war or children but you are going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the presidents amusement” . Dang I can’t even get my mind around the vile evilness of the statement.

I will be back tonight at 12 midnight for my midnight to noon shift.

Rock of the Marne!


wiseone
I disagree and do you really know what the libs think, being that you ignore all lib outlets? But in any case thanks for debating me and not attacking.

A United Iraq
Really?
So, when Al-Maliki tells Turkey that Baghdad is the place to communicate over PKK operations in Dohak province, there are actually people who take him seriously?

Ankara and Tehran are more on the same page regarding restless Kurds than are Anakara and Baghdad, or Ankara and Washington for that matter.

Is this what we're supposed to call "good news?"

Of course, not one of you even brings up the subject, which makes one wonder if anyone actually follows developments in Iraq. It's clear the author of this piece doesn't.

Savage99
I'm fully aware that they are not here for discussion or to learn anything. However, I'm not sure what your second sentence actually means. Care to enlighten me? Is this not a forum for posting one's views? Namecalling? Explain, nearly everyone who posts opinions or views believes that an opposing view or opinion is wrong (intentionally or unintentionally) or ill-informed. So, what are we really saying to each other?

Savage99
I'm fully aware that they are not here for discussion or to learn anything. However, I'm not sure what your second sentence actually means. Care to enlighten me? Is this not a forum for posting one's views? Namecalling? Explain, nearly everyone who posts opinions or views believes that an opposing view or opinion is wrong (intentionally or unintentionally) or ill-informed. So, what are we really saying to each other?

Deja vu all over again
Dear Mr. Tucker:

In your column today you write, "We finally have a viable exit strategy from the war in Iraq. We’re going to win and come home."

The problem is that Pres. Bush never had a viable entrance strategy. On Oct. 7, 2002, Mr. Bush, in selling the war in Iraq, pledged to the American people,"By our actions, we will secure the peace, and lead the world to a better day."

At that time, Pres. Bush further promised that "if military action is necessary, the United States and our allies will help the Iraqi people rebuild their economy, and create the institutions of liberty in a unified Iraq at peace with its neighbors."

Pres. Bush's assurances and your optimistic words to the contrary, after five years, thousands of American casualties, and billions upon billions poured into the war, Iraq is a mess and the region and the world are in turmoil. As a result, a number of respected Republicans have voiced their criticisms:

Congressman Ron Paul and Sen. Chuck Hagel have been harshly critical of the war.

Rich Lowry, editor of the National Review, in his Oct. 8 Town Hall column charged that "The U.S. Government has never brought to bear its resources in a truly national effort to win (the Iraq War)."

Sen. John McCain, repeatedly has said the war has been "terribly mismanaged," implying tragic and unnecessary American casualties due to incompetent leadership.

Patrick Buchanan has called the war in Iraq, "the greatest strategic blunder in U.S. history."

William F. Buckley, Jr., conservative leader, and admirer and supporter of Pres. Bush, as long as twenty months ago called the Iraq War "Pres. Bush's failure."

So now, "we're going to win and come home." Win what?

DaveF



SOROS ~ BILLIONAIRE BULLY
GEORGE SOROS:
People want to know the book on this guy. They hear six billion dollars and ask what they have bought in their lifetimes that would constitute being a customer of a thing or service supplied by this man. None bought anything anywhere anytime from this guy and he makes six billion dollars and people want to how he did it. When explained that he runs hedge funds and practiced arbitrage trading currencies and fixed interest derivatives the public gets sleepy fast. Joe Sixpack wants to know how he helped make George Soros a multi-billionaire and how to do the same thing to get some extra chump change. When told that what George Soros did is illegal money trading preceded by insider information and the same practice here in the USA would end up in a federal prison really adds to the confusion. Throw in that the deed was done offshore and the currencies involved the old Russian Rubles, the British Pound versus gold reserves, oil reserves, bills of laden on commodity cargos and Joe Sixpack needs another round pronto. Try to explain that George Soros is a Hungarian boy genius schooled at the London School of Economics and after going to school some Russian government Tinkerbell gives him a pile of cash to play the currency markets forcing down the comparative value of the British Pound to buy more Rubles to secure more commodity reserves and Joe is calling his broker at Schwab looking for the pamphlet.

nmi: Actually, "The problem is...."


Your post is all "old news" and news that actually isn't accurate. Can you say "left wing bais?"

Tucker's columns is about the HERE and NOW!

You just cannot bear the thought that we might actually be successful in Iraq. Not only would you and the dims and Hagel and Paul no longer be able to whine and moan and complain, you'll not be able to bash Pres. Bush about Iraq.


Geeeeeze, THEN what will you do?




Good Times

As Ron Paul keeps gaining support we are going to see more articles like this one. Everything's going peachy, we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Oil is plentiful and cheap. Schools and hospitals are being built on time and under budget. Shiites and Sunnis are making out openly in the streets.

Sorry, it's too late neocons. Americans are not that stupid and you are going to lose big time in the primaries.


What an inane article!
This article is almost too stupid to comment on. I hope these commentators aren't being paid for this crap. But if assuming Tucker is right, than we can declare "Mission Accomplished II" and get the hell out of there while we're ahead.

Iraq and AQ facts
AQ was always a small sliver of the insurgency. The fact that they are gone isn't going to help make the government work.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070301faessay86205/john-pre ndergast-colin-thomas-jensen/blowing-the-horn.html

Our distraction in Iraq has in fact, given al Qeade a chance to regroup and become very powerful. The situation in Pakistan and other places around the ME and the globe has deteriorated because of the R policies.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070101faessay86105/barnett- r-rubin/saving-afghanistan.html

"Contrary to the claims of the Bush administration, whose attention after the September 11 attacks quickly wandered off to Iraq and grand visions of transforming the Middle East, the main center of terrorism "of global reach" is in Pakistan. Al Qaeda has succeeded in reestablishing its base by skillfully exploiting the weakness of the state in the Pashtun tribal belt, along the Afghan-Pakistani frontier. In the words of one Western military commander in Afghanistan, "Until we transform the tribal belt, the U.S. is at risk."

Hey Jeff, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! :-)
.

USMC Lt. Good! I'm glad.

I apologize that my Birthday Wishes are late. Uncle Charlie did remind me a few weeks ago... "State Holiday" and all... :-)

But, I'm glad you had a party there.

We're well here. So glad to hear the good news... Well, MOST of us are. The others don't count! :-)


USMC Lt. Good call, of course!

robbie is simply out of his mind. I don't recall one single coherent post that he's made since.... since he started posting (which seems like years ago!)

Sadly, the poor dude doesn't even realize just how psycho he is.



USMC Lt.: But wait, wasn't robbie

at Iwo Jima too?

He claims to have been everywhere else hasn't he?

I also think he claims to have been at Normandy, and the list goes on... :-)


For Anne re Iraq from nmi
Concerning your remarks re the accuracy of the comments included in the "Deja Vu..." (above), each and every quote attributed to respected conservative Republicans can be checked out on Google easily enough.

And as for bashing Pres. Bush about Iraq, I refer you to the Oct. 8 Town Hall column written by Rich Lowry, editor of the conservative National Review, who, in effect, made the mother of all Bush-Bashing comments when Lowry stated in his column:

"THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER BROUGHT TO BEAR ITS RESOURCES IN A TRULY NATIONAL EFFORT TO WIN (THE IRAQ WAR)."

Pres. Bush is the Chief Executive of our government; on numerous occasions Mr. Bush has stated how extremely important it is to the security of the United States to prevail in Iraq and reminds us often of the dire consequences of failure.

And yet, as Lowry states, Pres. Bush "has not brought to bear" our considerable resources "in a truly national effort" which would have resulted in swift victory, minimal casualties, the stability of Iraq and the security of the U.S. You, too, should be asking, "Why, Mr. President?"

nmi/DaveF


Anne: Actually, The problem STILL is...


Your post is all "OLD NEWS!"

Tucker's columns is about the HERE and NOW!

Can you deal with the "HERE and NOW?"

Oh come on, sure you can if you give it a try!!!


:-)



The Party of Defeat and failure
Just remember that Democrats are invested in failure in Iraq. Senator Harry Reid said the surge was a failure before it was fully implemented. He said the war was lost months ago before the surge was implemented.
Congressman James Clyburn said it would be bad for Democrats if good things start happening in Iraq. We cannot let these losers get the Whitehouse in 2008. No matter what Republican nominee gets the nod, we must all get behind that person and give them our full support, time, and as much money as we can.

bro
The party of failure is just a talking point and meaningless. I could list 15 generals who agree that the surge is a failure and a dozen ME experts. Petraous and the troops have done miracles bringing the violence down and we should be so thankful and give them support instead of the raunchy vet assistance. When you have millions of people displaced and thousands more packing up and leaving everyday, you have one huge problem.

It's the economy, stupid
"In fact, a recent CNN poll showed that 46 percent of Americans think our economy is in recession. A mere 51 percent don’t. Clearly the mainstream media’s relentless focus on bad economic news is taking its toll."

The media isn't exaggerating and the public sees things that aren't reflected in the official Government statistics.

Just yesterday, Caterpillar issued a bleak earnings forecast. They told their stockholders that they are finding that the housing market is the worst it's been in FIFTY years, and that in their judgment, the U.S. is now sliding into a recession.

That's what homeowners see: The ripple effect from the subprime debacle and resulting bankruptcies is depressing the value of homes across the country. Homeowners had mortgaged themselves to the hilt; as the value of their homes rose, they cashed out equity to keep consuming the latest cars and gadgets. Now the party is coming to an end as housing prices begin to fall. More and more homeowners may end up owing more on their mortgages than their homes are worth.

Beyond that, families have to contend with the sharply rising prices of food and fuel. The Government cleverly omits those from the "core rate" of inflation, so that the price of gasoline could double and yet the Government would claim that inflation is zero. But when a family has to work out their household budget, they know how much they are spending on food and fuel.

If the GOP tries to tell Americans that "You never had it so good, and that it's all your fault for living so high on the hog till now," they are going to get clobbered by the voters.

The last President who tried that line out on the American public was Jimmy Carter.

For Bro re Iraq critics
If you're angry at some Democrats for their stance on Iraq, you should be fuming at the following conservative Republicans as well for their harsh critiicism of the war:

- Congressman Ron Paul and Senator Chuck Hagel.

- Sen. John McCain, who has repeatedly stated the Iraq War has been "terribly mismanaged."

- Town Hall columnist and conservative National Review editor Rich Lowry, who has accused the Bush Government of failing to muster a "national effort" to win the war.

- Town Hall columnist and Conservative commentator Pat Buchanan who has called the Iraq War "the greatest strategic blunder in U.S. history."

- Town Hall columnist and Conservative leader William F. Buckley, Jr., who as long as twenty months ago called the Iraq War "President Bush's failure."

All the above can be confirmed thru "Google."

DaveF


nmi just doesn't get it
nmi, You seem to be under the impression that for the US to be "fully involved" in the war we need to be running scrap metal drives, and eating nothing but rice, so we can send the food to our troops.

Yes it was like that during WW2, for 2 very good reasons. Reason 1, We didn't have the resources we do now, and we had far fewer people.

Reason number 2, It Was a WORLD WAR! The whole world was at war then.

President Bush said it best when he said we should go on with business as usual for our sakes and the troops. Don't you think it would dispirit the troops to know that their families were doing without? They see life going on in the US and it gives them somethig to fight for.

Of course to a lefty like yourself there is nothigin the world worth fighting for, except maybe tickets to Barbara Steisands latest farewell tour, or maybe an AlBore autograph.

Face it nmi, Our brave troops have turned a corner in Iraq, and your hoped for defeat is becoming less and less possible by the day.

Of course to the party that has invested it's hopes in a US defeat, this is really bad news. (Isn't that right Rep. Clyburn?) It's becoming really entertaining watching the dems do the "war 2 step" trying to dance away from their "lets lose at any cost" strategy.

It has to be really hard for a lefty to watch his traitorous party slowly implode. :op


Robert:
Back when I was a general in WW2, hal and I used to like blowing up german soldiers.
Hal inflated them better than me though.

SteveL
Caterpillar has had financial problems for the last 20 years they once had a nice big plant in Mentor Ohio that closed down about 15 or 20 years ago in what they described as a restructuring move and it has had problems ever since.
On a side to the question asked about what would happen if OBL were killed tomorrow and all theAQ asked to be allowed to leave and crawl back into their holes what would the libbers say? They would berate our soldiers for killing the terrorists hero and Bush for Contributing to the refugee problem. Always bad news!!!

HUNTER/TANCREDO "08"

nmi
for one thing, Ron Paul is onlya republican out of convenience, he ran 3-4 times for president under the libertarian party. So what he says doesn't represent Republicans.

Chuck Hagel has been a RINO for years, just because he has an R behind his name doesn't mean he speaks for me. In fact I'm surprised he hasn't switched sides long ago, he votes as a democrat, but runs as a republican.

John McCain may have criticized how the war was mismanaged,(yes it was) but that doesn't mean he was on your side, he actually wants us to WIN!

Pat Buchanan, while being a fiscal conservative, he is an isolationist and has been on the far right fringe for years.

and you meantioned numerous Former generals who have spoken out. I bet the generals that Lincoln fired talked trash about Him too. Do the words "Disgruntled Ex-Employee" mean anything to you? I bet if your boss firesd you, you're gonna talk trash about him, his company, and his mamma, that's called Human Nature.

So all these so called Reliable sources you mentioned aren't as reliable as you claim to be.

Even the Rich Lowery quote was taken out of context, and you know it, of course, things like Facts are really flexible in the hands of a lefty.


Robert: I once wrote a book called Inside the Mind of Robert Robert.
No company would publish 500 blank pages though.

Good Article Rich
Back to the actual subject:

I think R.T. hit the nail squarely on the head, which is why the lefties have to try to trash it.
They can't argue any of the actual facts stated in the article, so instead they trash the writing style, and throw up straw men to derail the conversation, proving Tuckers point, although they're too dim to realize it.

Where exactly does one go to sign up to be a Soros troll? I have some democrats in my family too lazy to get a Real job, sounds like leftists blogging would be a good fit for them.


Need a publisher?
Jackpine Savage writes: Saturday, October, 20, 2007 9:37 PM "Robert: I once wrote a book called Inside the Mind of Robert Robert.
No company would publish 500 blank pages though."

I have an offer for mine, 2,000 blank pages titled "How Robert Won the War".

But for which side?
ET1 writes: Saturday, October, 20, 2007 10:56 PM
Need a publisher?
"I have an offer for mine, 2,000 blank pages titled "How Robert Won the War"."


That's good ET, but which side did Robert win the war for, ours or the Jihad boys? It's pretty clear to me that he's rooting for the Islamists.

You are dishonest
Hektor writes: Saturday, October, 20, 2007 8:51 AM
>What Does Winning Mean Now?
>Hey, JetPilot...talk about changing subjects!
>Following your convoluted argument
>by the US government!"...is like slipping
>between parallel universes. You might have more
>luck with a coherent argument if you just write
>what you think, rather than randomly cutting
>and pasting whatever catches your eye on
>DailyKos.

>Just a suggestion...keep up the good work. I
>like starting my day with a giggle.

First of ALL you are an IDIOT. I have only read Daily Kos once, because BILL-OH of the Fox propaganda channel was CRYING like a baby because Jet blue advertised on their site. He was jealous they where having a convention or something . ONCE AND ONLY ONCE.

# 2 Can you follow the ARTICLE? First Iraq than SCHIP than IRAQ, with "rock starts" thrown in by a clear RIGHT WING WATER Carrier. Any one that ONLY criticizes the LEFT and lies for the RIGHT is an idiot and dishonest. IS THAT YOU HECKTOR?

How many kids do you have? How much do you pay for insurance Hektor. Are you even legal? Can I see you paper's? MY POINT YOU DON'T KNOW ME SO BITE MY JERK. I'm registered Independent, vote GOP and Dem and listen to both sides and make my own mind up. Unlike you who's debating skills involves name calling. Again bite me, punk.

Here's a typ Republican mouth breather
onceamarine writes: Saturday, October, 20, 2007 9:36 AM
>Sorry Jet Pilot...........
>You are not only unconvincing, but your use of >grammar and the language in general says loads >about you.

>You were not born and raised in the U.S.A. If >that is not the case, and I believe it is, you >were poorly educated and raised among people >who are not of U.S. origin.

>Above and beyond any other consideration, you >are a definite nut case. You had best bailout >of your little one seater toy jet before it >catches fire and blows you to smithereens.


Gee, typical Republican, attack the person. You don't like what someone says so attack the person, Why? YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT OR POINT and the NEO-CON ROVE BOOK OF TRICKS 101 IS MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS. That is why you SUCK.

GEEE I forgot to hit the spell check and do a read through before hitting 'post'. Doha! you got me.

Not that its any of you bizz, I make 5 to 10 times what you make. I also earned two advance graduate degrees in science & engineering. SORRY I did not get a masters in English or ART history. Also guess you are a single woman with cats? I'm sure you're good at your career where you say, "would you like fries with that". You can bite me as well. (Oh, was that improper sentence structure wienie.)

P.S. "one seater toy jet" is an improper sentence; it should be "one seat toy jet". No I fly the Boeing B757 about 225 seats and also qualified and fly the B767-300, which has a few less than 300 seats. Thanks for asking. Oh, BTW I also have flown several 1000's of troops to and from the mid-east. What do you do? I'm sure its important because you are an arrogant jerk.

Jet pilot
First let me start by saying my wife probably makes more than you. At least I know you don't make 5 times as much unless you make over half a mill a year. I have three kids and their insurance doesn't cost me anything it comes as a benefit of working. To end let me thank you for telling me what jets you pilot so I can be sure not to fly on them unless absolutely nessesary. I don't like braggarts and never have, that is why I don't discuss my wage. Grow up and get off the mines bigger than yours mentality.Its not becoming of anybody. As far as the name calling, I seem to remember a bit from you as well. Bit of the pot calling the kettle black?

HUNTER/TANCREDO "08"

For Jackpine Savage Re Iraq Critics
In your comments above, I believe you have my comments confused with someone else's; I made no mention of Lincoln and/or generals.

In rejecting the criticisms of the Republicans whom I've mentioned, I believe you overlooked the name of William F. Buckley, Jr., a Town Hall columnist and respected Conservative Leader.

Buckley, an admirer and supporter of Pres. Bush, in his February 2006 Town Hall/National Review column, and in a subsequent Bloomberg interview called the Iraq War "Pres. Bush's failure."

If you agree the war was "mismanaged," why aren't you up in arms that brave men and women in our military were either wounded or killed because those in command did not know what the hell they were doing?

DaveF/nmi

jetpilot: WHAT????

"Gee, typical Republican, attack the person. You don't like what someone says so attack the person..."

Have you gone over the edge, or what?

You clearly haven't noticed that the posts on TH don't start getting vile and rude UNTIL a liberal idiot starts posting... then it goes downhill like a bobsled.

But, that's typical of a liberal... "Facts? Heck no. Don't bother me with facts. They just get in the way of MY agenda...."



Oh jet pilot
You write that you fly jet aircraft, earn 5 to 10x more than some other poster, and also have two graduate degrees.

Your point would be what?

Your use of ad hominems speaks volumes to those who do not know you.

An Idea so Dumb...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qcypRnDcCo
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