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Friday, December 01, 2006
Rich Tucker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Sorry, Charlie
by Rich Tucker
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“It doesn’t matter what I know,” Tom Cruise’s character says in A Few Good Men. “It only matters what I can prove.” Well, life is now imitating art, but it’s giving us a mirror image -- one that’s the exact opposite of the truth. As an example, Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., wants to bring back the draft.

Why? “No young, bright individual wants to fight just because of a bonus and just because of educational benefits. And most all of them come from communities of very, very high unemployment,” Rangel announced on FOX News Sunday Nov. 26. There’s just one problem with Rangel’s position: He can’t prove it, because it’s factually incorrect.

As Tim Kane, an economist at The Heritage Foundation, wrote recently, “The wealthiest 40 percent of neighborhoods in America are the home of 45.6 percent of 2005 enlistees. For every two U.S. recruits from the poorest neighborhoods, three come from the richest.”

Kane, an Air Force veteran, has run the numbers, and he’s got the facts on his side. But that didn’t slow Rangel down a bit. “If a young fellow has an option of having a decent career or joining the Army to fight in Iraq, you can bet your life that he would not be in Iraq,” the congressman insisted. “The record is clear, and once we are able to get hearings on this, everyone will see what they already know, and that is that those who have the least opportunities at this age find themselves in the military.”

Well, if Rangel really looks for the facts he’ll find, as Kane did, that enlistees are intelligent and certainly have options. “The average reading level of new soldiers is roughly a full grade level higher” than that of the average civilian, Kane writes. And an impressive 97 percent of enlistees in 2003, 2004 and 2005 were high-school graduates, far ahead of the civilian graduation rate (80 percent). Our volunteers serve because they want to. Rangel’s position seems to boil down to, “I believe this, so it must be true.” Comedian Bill Maher provides another shining example.

“If we were really looking for a new direction, we’d not just change Congress, we’d have another Constitutional Convention, as Jefferson suggested we do,” Maher wrote recently in the Boston Globe. “Jefferson said: ‘Let us provide in our Constitution for its revision. . . every 19 or 20 years. . . so that it may be handed on, with periodical repairs, from generation to generation.’ He himself was saying, I’m a bright guy, but even I can’t foresee the iPod.”

But Maher’s position completely ignores the reality that there is a process for revising the Constitution. In fact, it’s been amended 27 times. Not counting the Bill of Rights, that’s 17 alterations, an average of one every 12.76 years. We’re actually ahead of Jefferson’s proposed timetable. But amending the Constitution is difficult. It requires either a two-thirds vote of Congress or the support of two-thirds of state legislatures to pass an amendment, which then must be approved by three quarters of the states. In other words, a measure must have overwhelming public support before it can become a constitutional amendment.

And it’s Maher and his fellow liberals who disapprove of this arduous process. They’d rather have unelected judges “fix” the constitution for us. Hence they’ve found a right to privacy, limited the right to bear arms and stretched the commerce clause to allow the federal government to regulate individual behavior in a myriad of ways.

Finally, speaking of mirror images, we come to the war in Iraq. That country’s fate seems to be in the hands of 10 unelected people -- the Iraq Study Group. No one knows what the ISG will recommend, but The New York Times reports that it may set a timetable for the withdrawal of a large number of American troops. That, however, isn’t what commanders on the ground say they want.

To those military leaders, things seem worse over here than they do in the actual war zone. “When I come to Washington, I feel despair. When I’m in Iraq with my commanders, when I talk to our soldiers, when I talk to the Iraqi leadership, they are not despairing,” Gen. John Abizaid, commander of all American forces in the Middle East, recently told a Senate committee. “I think we can win this fight. I think we are winning this fight,” Abizaid added at Harvard.

Recall that just last year, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., insisted that only people with military experience should give military advice. “I like guys who got five deferments and [have] never been there and send people to war, and then don’t like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done,” Murtha said sarcastically, poking fun at President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

But according to their Wikipedia entries, only four of the ten ISG members have any military experience. Even so, “I think there is fear that anything they say will seem like they are etched in stone tablets,” an anonymous “senior American diplomat” told the Times on Nov. 27. “It’s going to be hard for the president to argue that a group this distinguished, and this bipartisan, has got it wrong.”

Thus the Iraq debate comes full circle. Military experience matters, until it doesn’t. The only question is: If the Iraq Study Group recommends a retreat from Iraq, will its members be called “ChickenDoves?”

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Well, there it is!! 45% of enlistees come from the wealthier neighborhoods of America. Imagine that! And I bet they have some college behind them,too.
If the supposition by the left is that the wealthy in this country are conservatives then we have another shining example of "who really cares"(Sowell,Wed).
And,therefore the supposition that those in lower socio-economic groups make up the majority of the military is a farce.
And, for the record,those non-serving individuals on the ISG should have been dumped. Why not use Schwarzkopf,Powell who have been there,done that? Each has a different opinion on where we should be-But, then Abizaid's words and testimony would not be wasted.

PS
If one actually goes and reads the whole report, it is noted that those in the lower socio-economic neighborhoods, groups(or if the left prefers,the POOR)percentages of enlistees has actually dropped since 97,I believe. And the flip side, is the wealthier( or if you prefer again an acronym to make you feel better-"elites") enlistees side has increased. Twist it any way you want, oh bleeding hearts, but don't dare tell me that those facts are not such. Kane notes all his sources.

Rangel's Veracity Or Lack Thereof
Possibly not many remember Rangel's televised debate with William F. Buckley over drug decriminalization. Rangel was being thumped rather badly by the well-prepared, always eloquent Buckley, so he whipped out a show-stopper: he claimed that decriminalization of narcotics would be "in violation of our treaties." What treaty, Buckley asked. Rangel replied, "The Psychotropic Substances Treaty of 1980."

Buckley was nonplussed, and failed to pursue the matter on-camera. After the show had ended, he asked a researcher to look up the treaty Rangel had cited. The researcher returned breathless, and told Buckley that he could find no evidence of any such treaty. When Buckley confronted Rangel over this, Rangel laughed and said, "You demanded a treaty!"

Buckley reported the incident in a column in National Review, but it failed to gain any wider attention.

Clearly, Rangel regards truth as an optional quality, definitely of less importance than scoring against his adversaries.


One has to wonder
Is it really so hard for the left to realize that patriotic Americans do actually exist? That there are some who consider freedom worth fighting for even if it means giving "the last full measure of devotion?" It seems to me that Rangel sees the military as a place for the desperate of society who have no other options. Sad and pathetic really.

The Poor and Hyundai
There is a huge Hyundai complex in Montgomery, Alabama and surrounds, and they are hiring people hand over fist; people who were displaced by Katrina are flocking there in droves to get the good non-union well paying skilled jobs and training that are on offer.

The only real problem is that in order to get these jobs you have to pass a background check and a drug test. And the facts are showing very clearly that this The Poor frequently cannot do.

It is my contention that this, and not a lack of ambition or patriotism, is the reason enlistment is dropping in the neighourhoods of The Poor. They cannot pass the background and drug tests required to get in the door.

And it's my contention that should we institute a draft, and should it pass the "Involuntary Servitude" prohibition of the Bill of Rights (and I would love to hear the arguments in that matter), we would find that this same condition would apply. Drug-addled criminals are no more welcome in our military than they are at the Hyundai plant in Alabama. So even leaving aside all the high-flown arguments against the draft, that one would put the kibosh on it right away.

I suggest Mr. Rangel get out into his Harlem community and do something to get his constituents to stop committing crimes and shooting up, so that they will qualify for a way out of the ranks of the Poor and Downtrodden. But hey, if they do that, they won't vote for him anymore, will they?

Never mind. As you were, Mr. Rangel. As you were.

Wait until

Wait until someone discovers that most officers got their commissions through ROTC and since many places in California have banned ROTC, therefore California is unrepresented in the officer's ranks.

OMG!!!!

Jedi Truth
What Rangel says is true, from a certain point of view.

What was revealed about Rengel
Basically, he wants to go back to the "good old days" when a rich draft-eligible could bribe to exemption where poor one was SOL.

In other words, his true colours!

fiddler
Please explain just what point of view it is that makes Rangel's lies true.

pistol
I think he's joking.

oh yeah
by the way Rangel has been at this a while now. My liberal inlaws,(who I do love), were telling me over the summer that Bush is going to institute a draft and I should be scared. They didn't believe me when I told them that they should take a look at Rangel. they just refused to beleive. Willfully blind.

I can only assume thatFiddler means
... that since Rangel "feels" that way, it must be true at some level, or at the very least we should appreciate his comments and tell him how proud we are of him. Typical liberal blather ... now let's all hold hands and sing ...

Packrat
Californians underrepresented in our Officer Corps... is that a problem or a blessing?

WayneS
That depends on "your point of view"

GunnyG
Army ROTC 1970, followed by flight school and 6 months Air Cav in RVN.

Minotro
You're probably right. As a literal minded engineer, i admit to difficulty separating joking and sarcastic right wingers, ( which i endeavor to be )from serious lefties. Smiley faces do help me. 8-D

Rangel's motives
I think Charlie's motives are simply to incite people against this war and any future wars. He learned in his Viet Nam experience that you need a loud outcry from the public to force the politicians to act. If he is successful in reinstating the draft or even just scaring people into believing that it may be reinstated then he will be assured that citizens like those in his district will call for an immediate end to this conflict.

Charlie's problem with an all volunteer army is that it doesn't provide sufficient numbers of disgruntled soldiers and parents of soldiers. We cannot have people proud to serve or parents and relatives proud of their children's service and supportive of their mission. I think it really galls him that some people actually support the troops and their mission. He is proposing the draft as a means to end that support.

Actual Demographics of Military

Cathy B nailed it!
Rangel doesn't want a draft any more than Abbie Hoffman did in the 60's!

The strategerie of the Socialist-Democrats is to sow the seeds of discontentment in America. They want public outrage and marches in the street protesting government policies. Rangel noticed how much publicity the war protestors got in the Vietnam era, so he's trying to do it again.

Rangel and other socialists complained of the draft during Vietnam, but now they are supporting a draft?

Rangel, Pelosi, Reid et al want Americans to be miserable. They can then approach Americans with a new idea: socialism. They won't call it that but it will be neo-socialism for the 21st century.

Coming to a government near you.

As an example...
... Does anyone remember a little-known soldier by the name of Pat Tillman?

Well Here's Pat's story.

He went to Arizona State University on a Football Scholarship starting in 1994. In April, 1998, having already graduated with a degree in Marketing and a 3.84 GPA, he was drafted by the NFL's Arizona Cardinals. He played with them until the end of the 2001 season, making roughly $500K a year. After the season his NFL contract was up and the team offered him a new contract that would average $1.2 million per year. He turned that contract down to enlist (I repeat ENLIST) in the army, September 11 having just happened a few months previously. He qualified as a Ranger, deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, and was killed in a freindly fire incident. He was posthumously promoted from Specialist to Corporal (a change of title and responsibility, but not pay) and awarded the Silver Star.

Now, Let's review. He was a successful football player who was about to be rewarded for that success. He had a degree in marketing which, while not rocket science, will still get you a decent job even if you don't have incredible athletic skills. He had a 3.84 GPA which is pretty good.

Is there any reason why someone with this set of credentials would give up a million-dollar-a-year job to serve as a private in the Army? Based on Rangel's claim that "No young, bright individual wants to fight just because of a bonus and just because of educational benefits," the answer to that question is "No." He was young, he was bright, and he did have a fantastic future ahead of him. He gave it all up to fight for this country. It is tragic that he was killed, even more so that he died in what amounted to an accident, but his courage and patriotism shouldn't be forgotten, especially by the likes of Rangel who want to believe he never existed.

HJG

Matthew posted that . . .
"Virtually everybody in the military has a high school diploma or GED. I think most conservatives can tell you how much education that really gives you, especially at inner city schools."

If even Matthew agrees that public education is deficient, why do the Socialist-Democrats fight against anyone (except their own kids) attending private schools?

Matthew quotes Charlie "I served in Korea" Rangel: " . . .most all of them come from communities of very, very high unemployment,” Rangel announced on FOX News Sunday Nov. 26.

"Most" means at least 51%. With the national unemployment hovering around 4.5%, I wonder where all these "very, very high unemployment" areas are. Could Charlie "I'm a war hero, too" Rangel be fudging? Could he be stretching a point? Could Charlie "I'm black AND ex-military so you can't contradict me" Rangel be LYING!?

Say it ain't so, Matthew. Tell me your socialist heroes don't have feet of clay.



DavidMac & Cathy B
Well said! Charlie Rangel also wants to stoke the fires of the Democrats favorite war...the class war! They are attempting to keep class warfare going and try to divide the Americans along economic lines. They are interested in getting the poor and uneducated on their side, and to do this they give a way government benefits to keep them poor and uneducated. Welfare, food stamps, WIC, MedicAid, etc. are designed to keep people dependent on the G and by extension the Democrats and if the Dems can keep the poor angry at the rich, then the poor won't realize what the Dems are doing to them. So they push this draft idea to try to cast this war as a "rich mans war, but a poor man's fight" and any evidence to the contrary will be ignored.

Sorry, Charlie
Who is going to pay for the draft program? I doubt that the defense dept wants to release any funds. Maybe we could finance some of it with blackmail kickbacks from corporations like Walmart, Coke and others.

Packrat
Ahhhhhh...

the old point of view.... got it!

:^)

Matthew
Okay, fine. Two can play that game.

""And most all of them come from communities of very, very high unemployment,” Rangel announced ..."

"Most all of them..."?

What percentage would that be? Where did Rangel get HIS numbers; oh, that's right, he doesn't HAVE any. All he has is emotion-tugging descriptive statements.

He should really have SOME numbers if he is going to put forth the proposition that "most all" military recruits come from areas with very, very high unemployment, right?

And what is "very, very high unemployment", anyway? Does Mr. Rangel have any numbers associated with that?

You referred to 40% as a "strange number" and asked , why not 30% or 50%. What is "strange" about it? Could it be that the reason 40% was reported in the study is because THAT IS THE CALCULATED NUMBER? Maybe the anayses actually YIELDED the 40% figure.

Some statisticians actually COMPUTE numbers, as opposed to "picking" them, or ignoring them and using exaggerated adjectives like your friend Mr. Rangel.

CathyB
You don't have to just "think" Rangel is trying to obstruct our ability to fight wars. You can be sure of it.

If there were a draft Rangel would be complaining that the sons of rich guys (like Bush) were being protected while the sons of the poor were being forced to fight for something they don'e believe in.

Rangel's arguments for reinstating the draft today is, for all intents and purposes, identical to the left's arguments for abolishing it 30 years ago.

Military historians and other experts estimate that one volunteer is worth four draftees. Rangel not only wants to make it impossible for the US to defend itself, he wants to make it four times as expensive to be unable to do so.

The left has spent three-and-a-half years trying to convince these young men not to sign up or re-enlist in sufficient numbers to support the war. Now they are obviously so frustrated by the refusal of these young men to obey their advice they want to make it impossible. Can you imagine how much it galls the left that (1) they have been proven wrong and (2) they can't contol these guys who keep insisting on fighting for their country?

What does it matter?
Matthew's sticking point seems to be the origin of the Herritage foundations numbers. The problem is the fact that Rangel is wrong about the numbers is the least important problem with his argument.

Let's pretend that he's absolutely right. Absolutely no one in the military is employable elsewhere. They all come from inner cities and trailer parks and down on the farm. Their families are all poor, and none of them graduated high school (All of this is ludicrous, but let's pretend.) The only reason anyone is in the military is because they need a job.

They are still volunteers. They still want to serve. Yes, some are required to stay beyond their original contract, but that isn't much of an issue any more. Conscripts do not train as well, do not fight as well and are not as reliable as volunteers. Conscripts are required to serve by law whereas volunteers signed a contract... voluntarily. That has been true in every war since the American Revolution. It was especially true in Vietnam. Conscripts don't fight as well as volunteers because the volunteers chose to be there (in the military, at least) and conscripts did not. No one in the volunteer military wants to fight alongside conscripts, and most certainly they don't want to have to lead them.

The problem with Rangel's argument is this: A draft should only be used as a last resort in the event that there is a severe military need for troops and the volunteer method isn't getting enough people to sustain a major war.

Rangel wants to use the draft to promote his leftist agenda on "social justice" by making the rich kids serve with the poor ones, and to increase the anti-war sentiment in this country. He doesn't care about military readiness. He isn't concerned with having enough troops to win the war. He just wants to make sure that his perceptions of social injustice are solved by abusing the government's power.

HJG

GunnyG
People are stunned when you tell them that because of the way it was reported in the MSM.

The MSM reported the Marine Corps' request as though the Corps had to strongarm vets to re-enlist in order to meet recruiting goals.

The MSM has repeatedly lied about recruitment since the Iraq war began as a way of trying to cast the shadow of doom, gloom, and futility on the effort. Just as they lie about what's going on in Iraq on a daily basis, so they have lied about the attitude of recruits, and especially re-enlistments, vis-a-vis Iraq .

Equality with the draft


Is this the same group of people who said GWB got special treatment to get in the guard and avoid the draft and that there was nothing wrong with Clinton avoiding being drafted, and that the problem with the draft in the 60's was that only the poor, etc were being drafted.

It would be run by the same selective service system.

Just some food for thought.

Matthew
" think most conservatives can tell you how much education [a high school diploma] really gives you... They also went to college about half as often as people who didn't go into the military..."

However, the Army encourages and assists interested enlisted soldiers to attend college or take civilian correspondence courses DURING their enlistment. I should know. In fact, civilian education credits are *directly* convertible to promotion points, unlike military correspondence course credits. As for diplomas and GEDs... they may not really 'give you much', but the point is that enlistees are more likely to possess them, compared to the general population. Apparently, the only benchmark the poster would accept is overwhelming percentage of PhD?

"What the heck does that even mean? Does anybody here know what % their neighborhood is in, or even what neighborhood they're in?"

Any individual's understanding of their own position in the scale is irrelevant to the issue.

"And why 40%? Why not 30% or 50%? When somebody picks a strange number like 40%, that tends to make me suspicious. How many came from the top 10%?"

First, why NOT 40%? The upper 40% bracket is more representative of America than the lower 25%, or the upper 15%. As for how many came from the top 10%... well, how many have EVER come from that bracket (except in societies dominated by hereditary aristocracies)?

The Army, as I know from 10 years experience (and counting) also provides enlistees from lower income origins a FAR better opportunity for self-advancement than virtually any civilian organization, corporation or program. Any soldier can, through self-discipline and hard work, advance in rank and responsibility, develop and exercise leadership and management skills, and acquire civilian and professional education, regardless of background or social status. If you're good, the Army couldn't care less where you're from.
Even IF a disproportionate percentage of recruits came from underpriviledged origins (what we in Arkansas called 'poor'), military service would represent an excellent opportunity for advancement, regardless. The services would deserve applause... if it weren't for the fact that they have solid military purposes for these things, aside from any humanitarian concerns. Regardless of the reasons, they're doing a pretty good job.

Problem Solution
Let's pressure our congressmen to bring it up again for a vote and see if Rangel votes against it again.

DWB
Rangel is guilty of DWB--dumb--- while black.

Does Rangel have
kids? I volunteer them to show the way.

Rangel's a scheming SOB
Not included in this article is that Rangel wants there to be an exemption from serving for "conscientious objectors".
It seems to me that Rangel just wants to use this issue to divide the country further. Guess which party's base will object to serving?

The most disgusting part of all this to me is that Rangel and the Libs in general are making an implication that anyone poor or not university educated must be a criminal, drug-user, or just not "smart" (thanks, Kerry).

As for unemployment, I wonder how many service members have "unemployed" mothers?

Get a clue, Libs. A degree does not make you "smart" and money does not make you "conscientious". You all fail to grasp that many in this country have higher priorities than just making money.

Cowboy and other libs on this site
Y'all seem to cough up your wisdom quite nicely when it comes to criticism. Now, why don't you tell us what your ideas for dealing with terrorism would be.

NOT dealing with it is NOT an option (and don't start whining that Iraq never did anything to us either because you lose all credibility when you do that). Maybe Chelsea Clinton should be the first drafted as her daddy did NOTHING when we were hit again and again and again during his administration (and NO his wag the dog escapade does NOT count).

Islamofascists have said they want us subjugated or dead, what about that do you not understand? Do you think they are kidding? Do you think we should wait until we are hit and then react? What is it we should do to face the enemy who has sworn to kill us? I would really like to know.

Cowboy
Why would you want to send the presidents daughters off to war? You think they would be good warriors? I think that you want to get rid of all women so you can have Brokeback Mtn to yourself...............Knowstradamus Knows!!!

Hey Matthew
You are complaining about the "biased" conservative study, which I disagree with you that it is biased, but atleast the conservative think tank is using the data, not just feelings. What study is Rangel using to support his position about the draft? All I hear from Rangel is his political bs - but no actual facts to support his position. That is the real issue.

The draft argument is ridiculous
The fact that we don't have a draft weakens the pacifist voice: they'd like to bemoan our soldiers as pawns instead of the upstanding professionals that they are.
I am thankful for every person who ever served, drafted or not. Rangel demeans them all.
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