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Monday, June 30, 2008
Rich Lowry :: Townhall.com Columnist
Our Worst Justice
by Rich Lowry
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Why did the Founders bother toiling in the summer heat of Philadelphia in 1787 writing a Constitution when they could have relied on the consciences of Supreme Court justices like Anthony Kennedy instead?

Kennedy is the Supreme Court's most important swing vote and its worst justice. Whatever else you think of them, a Justice Scalia or Ginsburg has a consistent judicial philosophy, while Kennedy expects the nation to bend to his moral whimsy. With apologies to Louis XIV, Kennedy might as well declare "la constitution, c'est moi!"

In a 2005 interview, Kennedy said of the court, "You know, in any given year, we may make more important decisions than the legislative branch does -- precluding foreign affairs, perhaps." (He was wise to include the "perhaps," in light of the recent Guantanamo Bay decision.) He went on to note how judges need "an understanding that you have an opportunity to shape the destiny of the country."

So much for the country's destiny being shaped by a free people acting through their representative institutions, within certain constraints it enshrines in the Constitution. That wouldn't allow nearly enough room for what Jeffrey Rosen, in a devastating profile of the justice in The New Republic, calls Kennedy's "self-dramatizing moralism."

On any politically charged case, we are supposed to wait with bated breath while the famously agonizing Kennedy decides which side he is going to bless with his coveted fifth vote. In so doing, Kennedy believes he is, in Rosen's description, creating "a national consensus about American values that will usher in what he calls 'the golden age of peace.'" Observers less besotted with Justice Kennedy than Justice Kennedy might put it differently: making it up as he goes along.

Two years ago, Kennedy joined the majority in the Hamdan v. Rumsfeld case that urged the president to obtain congressional approval for the system of military tribunals at Gitmo. President Bush did, but Kennedy wrote the 5-4 majority decision in this year's Boumediene v. Bush striking down the system anyway.

Kennedy quoted the World War II-era Eisentrager decision -- upholding the military trial of German detainees -- to show that there were greater practical difficulties back then with judicial interference in military detentions. He left unremarked that the Eisentrager decision unmistakably says -- a mere paragraph after his citation! -- that the Constitution does not apply extraterritorially: "No decision of this Court supports such a view. None of the learned commentators on our Constitution has ever hinted at it."

Indeed, Kennedy blew through some 200 years of precedent with nary a backward glance. Just another day at the Kennedy Court.

It should be no surprise how Kennedy construes the Eighth Amendment's prohibition of "cruel and unusual punishments." It is warrant for the court to exercise its "independent judgment" of "the evolving standards of decency that mark the progress of a maturing society," as Kennedy put it in this term's 5-4 Kennedy v. Louisiana decision forbidding capital punishment in cases of child rape.

The signature of a Kennedy opinion is vaporous moralizing, whatever side he comes down on. In the 1992 Casey decision upholding Roe v. Wade, he waxed poetic about "the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of life." In the 2007 Carhart decision upholding the partial-birth abortion ban, he waxed again, this time about "respect for human life find[ing] an ultimate expression in the bond of love the mother has for her child."

Evidently, Kennedy goes about his job unburdened by the fact that his views on existence or on the mother-child bond have nothing whatsoever to do with the Constitution. But so it goes, as long as the Supreme Court is divided between four liberals, four conservatives and one self-important man who can't differentiate between his inner compass and the nation's fundamental law.

Kennedy fashions himself an instructor to the nation. And he is -- in the arbitrary ways of judicial lawlessness.

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Kennedy quoted the World War II-era Eisentrager decision -- upholding the military trial of German detainees -- to show that there were greater practical difficulties back then with judicial interference in military detentions. He left unremarked that the Eisentrager decision unmistakably says -- a mere paragraph after his citation! --

that the Constitution does not apply extraterritorially:
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What this man has done, is to open all the Civil Courts across the USA to any person in the world to file a lawsuit.

The people of the world now given habeas corpus, opens the door for every enemy of America, anyplace in the world for file a law suit. Here

He is a lunatic, and that is the only word that can describes this insane decision.

If we could enforce American Law, both Civil and Criminal,all over the world, it would make some sense.
But our laws cannot be enforced outside the USA and our Possessions, making the Civil Courts without standing to judge a thing for any person outside the Nation and its possessions.

Only answer is Impeachment.
Where is the President on getting it going is my only question.




Anthony Kennedy - the Enemy of Americans
Without question Anthony Kennedy should be removed from the bench. He has consistently plumbed the depths of his own personal prejudices to come up with breathtaking assaults on Constitutional principles like respect for private property, the necessary and proper limitations on the judiciary in military matters. Kennedy is willfully contemptuous of the American people as they are represented by Congress. But a rogue like Kennedy raises the question of why we need a Supreme Court at all - other modern nations do quite well without this group of self-appointed royalty, accountable to no one. I don't think this situation can be reformed. The liberal fascists have staked out this territory and they are not going to be corraled back into line with the Constitution. The Supreme Court, and the Appellate Courts, are operating far beyond the limits of power envisioned by the Founders. Congress lacks the integrity or the courage to rein them in. In order to preserve our freedom it will be necessary inevitably to disband these black-robed tyrants and get rid of the Supreme Court and the Appellate Courts. We must return to being a nation of men, not a nation of judge-dictators.

Here is the result, already happening
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iraqi nationals who claimed U.S. military contractors inflicted physical and emotional abuse on them at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison filed the first of four planned lawsuits Monday in federal court.
People once held at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq allege that they were tortured by employees of U.S. contractors.

People once held at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq allege that they were tortured by employees of U.S. contractors.

Lawyers for the four Iraqis confirmed the first suit was registered at the U.S. District Court in Seattle, Washington, and is to be followed by similar actions in Greenbelt, Maryland; Detroit, Michigan; and Cincinnati, Ohio.

The suits lay out 20 allegations, including torture, sexual assault, battery and war crimes.

Defendants include CACI International (of Arlington, Virginia) and L-3 Services (former Titan Corp., of New York), which provided interrogators and translators at the prison. Three individual contractors also were named in the suit.

Among the former prisoners who allege abuse is Emad al-Janabi. He is not one of the four civilians who are part of the initial series of lawsuits, but his allegations are similar to those of the other Iraqi men.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/06/30/Abu.ghraib.suits/

Judicial lawlessness
, judicial activism, la la la la la......

code words for the losing side, be it liberal or conservative.

I'd expect better from Lowry.

Enough!
I am voting for Obama for one reason, and one alone: The Supreme Court.

We currently have four Republicans on the court who will always vote in lock step, putting the GOP ahead of our Constitution and specifically our Bill of Rights. These four are not "Americans," not "Justices," but Republicans.

I have no idea if Obama will make a good President or not. Frankly, I don't really care. But I do care about that the next 2-3 appointees love our Country, our Constititution and our Bill of Rights first and are party loyalists second.

Moron
My Pet Goat is an idiot

NOT the worse
What about Breyer -- on the one hand, the 6th Amendment does not apply to domestic violence cases (a radical pro-feminist view) on the other hand the 2nd Amendment is some sort of collective National Guard enabling act.

How about Bush v. Gore? Kennedy usually votes for conservative positions. Souter and Stevens do not (they were apointed by Bush I and Ford).

Blackmun (Nixon Appointee) was fairly liberal.

Kennedy is overall more conservative than O'Connor. He wrote the partial birth abortion decision.

So, Kennedy is certainly better than Republican appointees Blackmun, Souter, Stevens and O'Connor. He probably is overall about as good as Powell (Nixon appointee).

Sure he is now the swing vote -- but out of 7 Justices appointed by Republicans he is more conservative than 2 out of 7. Out of the last 11 Republican Justices, Kennedy is more conservative than at least 4 of them and arguably 6 of them (Powell and Burger are probably close calls overall).

So, it is all Kennedy's fault? What about Nixon (Blackmun), Ford (Stevens), Reagan (O'Connor) and Bush I (Souter)?

People are idiots. I can see why Al Franken wanted to beat up Lowry.

LOL, Rich asks the rhetorical
question:

Why did the Founders bother toiling in the summer heat of Philadelphia in 1787 writing a Constitution when they could have relied on the consciences of Supreme Court justices like Anthony Kennedy instead?

Maybe because in 1787 there was no SCOTUS. Disputes between the States were arbitrated by the Congress under the Articles of Confederation. We would have been better off if that policy had been maintained. Which brings up the next great rhetorical question:

The 13th Article stated that the Articles of Confederation were binding in perpetuity and could only be changed via agreement by ALL of the States. Yet, the later Constitution was made binding via ratification by only 9 of the 13 States.

Does this mean that the Consitution is not legal because the Articles of Confederation were not disposed of legally?

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/article s/9.html

Seriously we keep beating up
on Kennedy because he flip flops. What about the 4 communist idiots who NEVER come down on the legal side of the Constitution?

Are they not WORSE than Kennedy?

Kennedy was appointed by...
Reagan. Again, with Reagan we got (1) O'Connor (marginal) (2) Scalia (very good) and (3) Kennedy.

Let's go back.
Ike: Earl Warren (not good)

Nixon: Rhenquist (good); Blackmun (not good); Powell (ok).

Ford: Stevens (not good)

Reagan: O'Connor (marginal); Scalia (very good)

Bush I: Souter (not good); Thomas (very good)

Bush II: ALMOST HARRIET Miers (not qualified, at best mediocre) and Roberts (so far good) and Alito (so far good).

So how again is Kennedy so bad with this record? Do you think that McCain will do better than him? What evidence do any of you have? Do any of you who hate Kennedy read these opinions?

Judging the judges
He's not worse than Stevens or Souter. All three of them should be taken out back and shot for their complicity in Kelo vs. New London.

And they'll pry a gun out of my cold dead hands before anyone ever hears me call or address these turds as "Justices."

Kennedy
Kennedy was an instructor at McGeorge School of Law in Sacramento, California before his appointment. This is how he became appointed by friends of Reagan, who did not have any justification for supporting Kennedy if they had a brain among them. Remember: Those who can, Do! Those who can't, Teach!

Scalia, Bork and Alito
All were professors at some point (Alito adjunct though). Anyway, Scalia and Bork are conservative. Some professors are pretty conservative (most are not).


It
isn't going to happen, Talent Scout #1 because
most of our government is corrupt. I would hope the President would but he hasn't done a thing about the constant leaking by the NYT.
Just lets the treason continue. Kennedy isn't the only one that deserves impeachment.

Hypocricy
I just love to hear conservatives bloviate about people who won't follow the clear intent of the Constitution after they've spent years portraying complaints about Bush's repeated violation of the same document as the vaporous whining of the "Far Left.".

Justice Kennedy
He is to me,the most powerful because he is ,like O'connor was ,the 'swing voter'. Four can be counted on to be conservative and four always vote liberal. Kennedy being the tiebreaker is the most powerful.

He likes to look at other countries and how they handle issues as if their laws are better than ours. It is strange how they interpret the constitution differently. Political leanings should not sway them.They should just follow the laws and leave their political thoughts at home.


great article
and the only reason I will contribute and vote for McCain. The country needs thoughtful conservatives on the court.

Rich is pathetic
Hey Rich

Eisentrager did not deal with the habeas writ you dolt.

And habeas applies to anybody in United States custody. If you had done as much research on habeas common law as Scalia did in rightly reviewing the founder's statements on the right to bear arms, you would know that.

There was one true conservative who applied the second amendment and the habeas writ -- both clerly stated in the Constitution.

That is why the CATO institute argued for both, and supported Kennedy's position both times.

But then, the people at the CATO institute are not neocon sellouts who have ruined the Republican Party like you have.

Enjoy your golf game with loud-mouthed Hugh Hewitt where you can chat with each other about your neocon hogwash.

john
Have you ever read the constitution, or do you have even the faintest idea what it is about?
The American constitution is about Americans and presevering the rights of AMERICANS. It is not to protect our sworn enemies in their efforts to destroy us--and their efforts to destrou that very constitution.

Independent Thinker
"The American constitution is about Americans and presevering the rights of AMERICANS."

That is NOT true for the habeas writ -- which applies to anybody in United States custody.

"It is not to protect our sworn enemies"

Truly your logic is the same as that of the lilberal -- it is no logic at all.

The purpose of habeas is to make sure they are enemies, not held indefinately or declared to be so in a kangaroo court.

Amending the Constitution
Two ways to amend the Constitution:

1. Pass a resolution within Congress with a 2/3 majority vote of both houses. Submit the amendment to the states and gain the support of 3/4 of all the states. Time - years to accomplish.

This was purposely made difficult by the framers because they did not want the Constitution to be amended to conform to evolving standards of decency or to any national consensus.

2. The second way to amend the Constitution is to ask for an opinion from Justice Anthony Kennedy that will be supported by the justices aligned to the left of him. Time to accomplish - only a moment. It will only take a moment for Anthony Kennedy to destroy what was built and has existed for more than 200 years.

Smithington
No longer a Republican?

There is a God in Heaven after all.

Worst ever? No! One worse
Yes, this justice was appointed by a Republican, and was regarded as a trsaditionalist, which is would be in today's vernacular a conservative, but he became the poster child for judicial activism, none other than Earl Warren.

good thinking
first the gospel for today " if a man commits adultery, with another mans wife == with the wife of his neighbor-both the
adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death get craking christians. times awastin. and youve got a hell of a lot of catching up to do if you are to obey your god. leviticus 20:10
you people, honestly. yourway or the high way its your football so you make the rules or you take your ball home and nobobdy gets to play. ever consider that all of them are doing exactly what they believe they should do in interpreting the constitution? , even if it is in your opinion judicial activism...why not just asume that there are nine honest and intlligent and hard working people on the court,every one of whom knows infinitly more about their job then you do now or ever will, who have no particulat axe to grind except lijke most of us, to do our job to the best of our ability. try it on for awhile, you might like it go get that adulterer more especially go get
that adulteress, she is something else

Smithington
This is probably a waste of time but you are totally wrong on every score. Johnson v. Eisentrager, 339 U.S. 763 (1950) did in fact deal with Habeas and did deny it, along with all court access, to enemy aliens outside of the U.S.

I guess it is a good thing that you are no longer a Republican, now if we get the rest of the RINOs out we may have a Party again.


http://supreme.justia.com/us/339/763/

Term limits for Justices...
...at the Supreme Court level.Works for me.

does anyone fundamentally believe
in our judicial system?

Vic
Amen,Vic. Wishful thinking,though.

Rowly
I know, but one could wish.

Did you see my post the other day about Uga?

Kennedy is FAR from the worst.
That distinction probably goes to Earl Warren.

And Blackmun is not far behind...not for the specific Roe decison but by the twisted lack of reason he employed in arriving at it.

I am not that excitable over abortion generally, altho I am strongly opposed to socalled partial birth abortion.

To me, any jurist who is quick to incorporate international precedent and custom in deciding what constitutes the law under which we Americans are subject, is most worrisome.

But a committed leftist zealot like Ginsberg has to be worse than Kennedy.

At least with Kennedy, you sometimes get lucky.

With Ginsberg, you haven't a prayer.

Impeach the S.O.B.
EOM.

Moonbat
You are correct that there have been far worse justices than Kennedy because so many of them brought their agendas with them to the court. Thurgood Marshall for all his accomplishments in Brown vs Board of Education could not see the forest for the trees. He didn't interpret the law, he attempted what he believed would result in social justice from his personal point of view, not the Constitution. Brennan, Blackmun, Warren and Burger were all worse justices than Kennedy. Still, there is one thing that distinguishes Kennedy from all these men. Kennedy is still on the court.

For jerabaub (#30)
There is a reason that Snoozeburg isn't rated as worse than Kennedy and Warren (the facetious nickname giveth away the answer).

MRCMRC
This loon must have just gotten his daily fix of heroin... or is it cocaine? Not being a user myself I can't put my finger on it. Any ideas?

Vic
I missed it. Do you remember whose column? I will try to find it. I have been reading your others,though. I know the big fella passed on.His memorial stone and his handler's picture are in the Augusta Chronicle today. They said he was ten years old.I suppose that's about thirty in 'dog years.'


Smithington
Habeas Corpus does not apply to an enemy taken on the battlefield, when they are not in the uniform of their country. By international agreement and tradition, they can be disposed of (shot) as a spy. Maybe we should have made them the martyrs they so richly deserve.

Also, to further your education, check out the U. S. Military Code of Conduct.

Shot as a spy
Can someone tell me which section of the Geneva conventions and the laws of war specifically state that a combatant out of uniform may be shot without trial?

Can you show me
Libertarian Scum writes:
11:26 AM EST
Subject: Shot as a spy
Can someone tell me which section of the Geneva conventions and the laws of war specifically state that a combatant out of uniform may be shot without trial?
====
Any person in Gitmo that is not given a trial?
You do understand the Military does have a Court System that Tries the detainees don't you?
It appears you do not know this


Rowly
I don't remember, it was this weekend. All it said was that he had passed on. He had a heart attack.

Vic
I will look back and try to find it when I have time. I have been working in my yard today. The weather is beautiful here. Still dry,though.

sandcrab
"Habeas Corpus does not apply to an enemy taken on the battlefield"

A number of people taken in for interrogation were not "captured on the battle filed."

The purpose of habeas is to make sure the detainee is "an enemy taken on the battlefield".

You cannot argue that you are dealing with an "enemy taken on the battlefield" therefore we do not need habeas.

Rowly
No need, as I said it was only to pass on the info. You already have the info.

The weather is good here today as well.

Vic
"This is probably a waste of time but you are totally wrong on every score. Johnson v. Eisentrager, 339 U.S. 763 (1950) did in fact deal with Habeas and did deny it"

No Vic,

The denying habeas in a case doen not mean you are not applying it.

It means you have determined that the detainee is being held properly and will given a real trial or has had one in due course.

Vic
People who realize neocons are full of it are not RINOS.

They are real Conservatives who people like you and Bush have decided to ignore.

Vic
It is hilarious to listen to anybody who calls themself a Conservative claim that the habeas writ does not apply to gitmo detainees.

2 of the 3 Reagan appointees recognized that it did. O'Connor was still on the court when the 6-3 decision that ineveitably led to this ruling occuurred. In fact, that case would have needed to be overturned if the court had not ruled properly here.

The Bush appointees made a political ruling.

No surprise that the loonies at Townhall like the Bush appointees.

You people stick necon Bush. I'll stick with the party of Ronald Reagan.

By the way Vic, Reagan was not a RINO.


Congress making itself irrelavent
When Congress fails to do their jobs, not making clear stands on abortion or gay marriage the courts step in to fill the void.

Fix Congress.

Like I said, good thing
RINOs like you are not Republicans.

Can't think OR read.

Kennedy v. Louisiana
Actually in this case the court was simply following legal preceedent, which Lowry seems to hold so dear.

In Coker v. Georgia (1977) the court ruled that capital punishment for rape violated the 8th Amendment--if you can't execute criminals for raping adults it follows you can't execute them for doing the same crime to minors.


Libertarian Scum
"Can someone tell me which section of the Geneva conventions and the laws of war specifically state that a combatant out of uniform may be shot without trial?"

The Geneva conventions only apply to those are fighting for states who have signed the conventions or to those that "earn" their way into the conventions by following them.

Those that don't carry their arms in the open and don't follow the regulations of the conventions (such as beheading their prisoners via webcam) do not have to be extended the protections of the conventions and can be summarily executed--e.g. the werewolves at the start of Allied occupation of Germany.

There is no section that says "Those not extended protections may be shot on sight," no, but those that aren't covered can be treated as the other party sees fit--which in the case of the werewolves was summarily execution.

Kennedy v. Louisiana
Following Coker v. Georgia would be following bad legal precedent. If a sentence is truly "cruel and unusual," then the crime for which that sentence is pronounced makes no difference. If you cannot execute criminals for adult rape because execution is cruel and unusual, then execution must be cruel and unusual for child rape, heinous premeditated murder, high treason, and any other crime. The sentence should fit the crime, but the nature of the crime is incapable of making a cruel sentence not cruel.

Almost everyone must eventually die, and generally it will be far more lengthy and painful than a lethal injection. Claiming that the death sentence is cruel and unusual is erroneous. Claiming that our standards of decency are evolving is erroneous. If we wish to improve our system of justice, we simply must exert ourselves to obtain accurate convictions, and lower our chances of executing the innocent.

Vic
Dear Vic:

I would like to take this oppourtunity to thank neocon hacks and their sympathizers who hijacked the Republican Party from the Conservatives and put it in the electoral mess it is in.

Without your efforts, I doubt I would have even bothered to run this year.

Thank you again Vic.

Barrack

bOBAMA
Go back to Kos where you came from.

Vic
Neocon hacks claiming conservatives are members of daily kos for doing nothing more than espousing conservative principles is pretty much why the Republican Party has become a massive pile of dung.

Thank you again,

Vic.

Hey Vic
“In the first case to review the government’s secret evidence for holding a detainee at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, a federal appeals court found that accusations against a Muslim from western China held for more than six years were based on bare and unverifiable claims.”

(Someone held without basis by the executive because there was no judicial check or proper hearing?)

(What a shock!)

“With some derision for the Bush administration’s arguments, a three-judge panel said the government contended that its accusations against the detainee should be accepted as true because they had been repeated in at least three secret documents. “

“The court compared that to the absurd declaration of a character in the Lewis Carroll poem “The Hunting of the Snark”: “I have said it thrice: What I tell you three times is true.”

(Hilarious! Except of course someone got held for six years based on this silliness.)

The unanimous panel included one of the court’s most conservative members, the chief judge, David B. Sentelle.

(David B. Sentelle must be a RINO like Ronald Reagan was, right Vic?)

Always A Hasbeen Kossite Slug
We have no idea what that Chineese Muslim was. The case is classified and the judge may be one of those liberal stooges like Ginsberg who never met an enemy of the U.S. she didn't like.

In any case, the SCOTUS has ruled that that particular court is no good so Bush should have the DOJ shut that court down and ignorre it while he ships ALL the prisoners to Turkey for a visit to a little "Midnight Express".

Agreeing with the Goat
Pet Goat is right. Presidents come and Presidents go. But the next two or three spots on the Supreme Court will have a HUGE effect on all of us.

That alone is reason to vote for Obama.

The next few justices need to put the Constitution first and partisan loyalties last.

Vic
Bush should have the detainees secretly loaded into a big old cargo plane,let the pilot take them up 10,000 ft.over the sands of Saudi Arabia,with fake parachutes. Have them bail out. In less than ten minutes they will join their 72 virgins. Geronimo !!! Happy landing!!!

Ronald Reagan Vic.
"the judge may be one of those liberal stooges like Ginsberg"

For someone who claims others cannot read, you didn't put much reading into this.

It was a 3 judge panel. It was unanimous. And the chief judge was Hon. David B. Sentelle -- yet another Ronald Reagan appointee.

But you don't like Ronald Reagan appointees, Vic, and that pretty much says it all.

Always A Stooge and Not Moe
Being a Republican nominee means nothing. Sandra day O'Flip-Flop was a Reagan appointee.

The fact is that you know NOTHING at all about the case except that the court ruled that he needs a new trial or turn him loose.

How about they turn him loose in your custaqdy and you can be responsible for him?

Gitmo Prisoners
Rowly #57, I'd save the fuel, just shoot them and feed them to the poor starving sharks in the sea.

WestTexan
Sounds good. Just so they are out of sight and out of mind....

Just read this interesting thought....
Any discussion of the Supreme Court must take account of the fact that the Democrats will have close to a filibuster-proof majority in the next Senate. Therefore, the possibility that another Thomas or Scalia will get on the Court is nonexistent.

A bigger question for McCain is how will he get the sorts of nominees he says he supports—those in the Roberts and Alito mold—onto the Court? Does he have a strategy for doing so? If so, I’d like to hear it. Also, what assurance is there that even if he tries to find another Roberts or Alito that he will be successful? Every postwar Republican president has promised to appoint only strict constructionists, yet many of the most liberal justices of the last 60 years were appointed by Republicans including several on the current Court. Does McCain have a plan to guarantee that this won’t happen again? If so, what is it?

Rowly/West Texan
Since the first prisoner was a Chineese Muslim that we took for the Chineese why not make their families by the bullet used to shoot them?

Oh, that's right, always an idiot is going to take responsibility for them because "he cares".

Vic the Bush lover
"The fact is that you know NOTHING at all about the case"

The court ruled he's been held 6 years on no evidense. And that he has not receive a proper hearing in 6 years.

That's knowing a little something about the case.

You certainly don't know that he's an enemy combatant.

Why don't you and Rolly go collect all of the detainess who you don't know are enemy combatants, join Hitler, and toss them out of the airplane.

As for you appointee quip, by and large, Presidential appointees reflect the competence and ideology of the President who appoints them.

It is very obvious to me that you support Bush while I support Reagan.

You support Bush appointees. I support Reagan appointees.

You like a failure. I like a winner.

Always Been a Commie and never voted for
Reagan

I would just love to debate idiocy with you but it's such a nice day here today. I have to go move my sprinkler and watch the grass grow.

In fact, I could probably get a more inteligent conversation from the grass. Based on that, I will refrain from any more posts with you.

I should have known better than to engage an idiot troll masquerading as someone who has a brain.

No Longer a Republican Smithington
You have continuously declared yourself on this thread to be a "true" conservative, as opposed to all the "hacks" temerous enough to disagree with you. Yet in all your ramblings, I have yet to find any enunciated statement of principle that anyone would recognize as a bedrock principle of conservative ideology. You invoke Reagan's name as if it were some sort of talisman that elevates your own opinions beyond approach, Notwithstanding the invocation of Reagan or some of his notorious judicial appointment flops) you have made no argument that a "true" conservative would recognize.

Here's what I think. I think you are a liberal trolling as a conservative. Regardless of your strategically selected name, it is easier to assume from your positions that you have NEVER voted Republican.

Everyone knows that Republican presidents have had a sketchy record in appointing conservative judges. Citing THOSE judges does not cut much ice with actual conservatives. The fact that you do, conferms that whatever you may be, it is NOT a conservative.

It does not matter
It is painfully obvious that it does not matter who we vote for at this point.

If an opening appears on the SC, we will get an appointee approved by the ABA.

This fact alone ensures a liberal on the court who will make decisions based on enriching lawyers, the constitution be damned.

A government of the lawyers, by the lawyers, and for the lawyers is the new creed.

Smithington
During a war or long term combat operations, prisoners are held until the war/op is over. POWs do not get a trial

You read him right
SandMan writes - 5:56 PM EST
Subject: No Longer a Republican Smithington
You have continuously declared yourself on this thread to be a "true" conservative,

Everyone knows that Republican presidents have had a sketchy record in appointing conservative judges. Citing THOSE judges does not cut much ice with actual conservatives. The fact that you do, conferms that whatever you may be, it is NOT a conservative.
---
ts:
He never has been, and never will be one.
He is a liberal using a phony screen name, and arrogant enough to think he can sell his brand of bs.


conservative positions not developed
Personally, I think some of the recent Supreme Court decisions could have been conservative Opinions that might have "liberal" results. Kind of like Scalia's recent 6th Amendment decision (where very liberal Breyer dissented). That decision benefitted criminal defendants a great deal.

For the death penalty lethal injection case -- personally I would simply not allow a drug protocal if a state had already determined that the same protocol was not appropriate for animals. If you have an execution protocal that has already been determined to be inhumane when applied to animals -- it is both cruel and unusual in this (or any other) day and age. No justice touched much on this in the recent decision.

Death Penalty to child rape -- while the precedent cited in a posting would sort of make sense -- I admit that I have real trouble with death penalty for child rape. I have seen to many examples of child sexual abuse cases that turned out not to have any truth behind them. I probably would also not allow the death penalty in cases where no body was ever found in a homicide. How would I justify this? I would say that while a prisoner could be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in both cases there inherently is residual doubt (some chance of no crime having occurred). Too many cases have occurred over the past 20 years where the person convicted has been released. 200 years ago, these kind of cases would not have been pursued -- so I doubt there even would be much of a penalty issue.
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