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Monday, June 16, 2008
Rich Lowry :: Townhall.com Columnist
Al-Qaida's Vietnam
by Rich Lowry
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Lately, the Iraq War has looked more and more like another Vietnam -- not for us, but for al-Qaida.

CIA Director Michael Hayden says the terror group has suffered "near-strategic defeat" in Iraq. It has been routed from Anbar, Diyala and Baghdad provinces, and now is getting a beating in its last stronghold of Mosul, in the north. It is reviled by the Iraqi populace, and its downward trajectory began with indigenous uprisings at its expense.

When the United States lost Vietnam, it lost credibility and saw an emboldened Marxist-Leninist offensive around the Third World. Al-Qaida is a global insurgency and not a nation-state -- and thus its circumstances are radically different from ours 40 years ago -- but it has suffered a similar reputational loss.

The Iraq War had been a powerful recruiting tool for al-Qaida when it was winning. No more. Osama bin Laden rendered what is called the "bandwagon effect" in international relations -- the tendency of states to go along with the dominant power -- in his homespun Arabic analogy of people liking the strong horse over the weak horse. In Iraq, al-Qaida's proverbial horse is a broken-down nag.

Our loss in Vietnam forever shattered the domestic consensus in favor of the Cold War, creating a crisis of national confidence known as the Vietnam Syndrome. Al-Qaida's troubles in Iraq correspond with a similar unraveling of its ideological cohesion. Reports in The New Yorker and The New Republic recently have detailed an Islamist backlash against al-Qaida's indiscriminate killing, partly attributable to its brutish campaign in Iraq.

A group devoted to overthrowing secular Arab rulers and fighting America has overwhelmingly identified itself with the mass slaughter of Muslim innocents. Its methods might not have produced revulsion in the broader Muslim world if they were succeeding. Instead, in Iraq, it's been wanton murder in a losing cause.

Like we did in Vietnam, al-Qaida in Iraq has run afoul of nationalism and local culture, although in spectacular fashion. It has trampled on the prerogatives of tribal sheiks and issued lunatic decrees, like its banning of the local bread in Mosul -- sammoun -- because it did not exist at the time of the Prophet.

Like we did in Vietnam, it overrelied on favored tactics even after they proved ineffective or counterproductive; with us, it was ever more bombing runs in the North and search-and-destroy missions in the South, while in al-Qaida's it has been mass-casualty suicide bombings.

Like we were in Vietnam, al-Qaida was sucked into a conflict not of its choosing by the geopolitical assertion of its adversary.

The U.S. could have ignored North Vietnam's assault on the South as a marginal loss on the strategic periphery of the Cold War. Since Iraq is central to the Middle East and one of the three most important Arab countries, al-Qaida could not tolerate our attempt to establish it as a democratic ally in the war on terror. It would have been like the Cold War-era U.S. writing off a Communist takeover of West Germany.

If Vietnam was arguably a winnable war for the U.S. -- once we established a respectable South Vietnamese army backed by our air power -- Iraq was winnable for al-Qaida. In the chaos and civil war it stoked in Iraq in 2006, it came close to collapsing our war effort, and has exacted a stiff price for our intervention there.

The group remains dangerous, and -- if we throw away the gains we've made with a rapid withdrawal -- could mount a comeback in Iraq. Regardless, it still has its redoubt in Western Pakistan. Suffering a Vietnam needn't mean a larger strategic defeat, as we ourselves learned. But the United States had the enormous resources of the world's largest and freest economy, and the essential justness of its cause. Al-Qaida has neither, just the animating hatreds that have been put on such stark, unflattering display during its Vietnam.

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Rich Lowry is author of Legacy: Paying the Price for the Clinton Years .
 
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al-Sadr threatens new uprising in Iraq


Anti-US cleric al-Sadr threatens new uprising in Iraq
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HP-BAGHDAD — Anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr gave a “final warning” to the government Saturday to halt a U.S.-Iraqi crackdown against his followers or he would declare “open war until liberation.”

A full-blown uprising by al-Sadr, who led two rebellions against U.S.-led forces in 2004, could lead to a dramatic increase in violence in Iraq at a time when the Sunni extremist group al-Qaida in Iraq appears poised for new attacks after suffering severe blows last year.

Al-Sadr’s warning appeared on his Web site as Iraq’s Shiite-dominated government claimed success in a new push against Shiite militants in the southern city of Basra. Fighting claimed 14 more lives in Sadr City, the Baghdad stronghold of al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army.

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http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/anti-us-cleric-al- sadr-threatens-new-uprising-in-iraq

Take no prisoners !
Yes,recent reports have been very encouraging but in light of the SJC ruling it now should be SOP to act w/ extreme prejudice for the rest of the al-Qaida scum.

ApolloSpeaks: Well said.
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Richie Lowry you were in the sandbox
during Vietnam. And of course another punk kid chickenhawk giving us another "progress" report just like the 5 o'clock follies during Vietnam. Vietnam like Iraq is not just communists and al-Qaida it's a people who don't like another country invading them. And guess what if you screw up a war like Vietnam and Iraq as opposed to Japan and Germany in WWII you get the locals mad and they get guns and the rest is history.

G*d Damn *#%@ #*!!
WE Vets did not LOOSE the war in Nam! It was the politicians then and it is the politicians now! Just like Nam, these idiot pols try to micro-manage something they no nothing about! If the politicians would have gotten out of the way and let us do our job. We would have been out of the Mid-East long ago!

Rich
Isn't it strange how quiet the MSM is now that things are looking better in Iraq? They never expected this.

As long as soldiers were dying in double digits,each week,it was newsworthy. If it bleeds,it leads.

Congress and the MSM have worked for a defeat for years,hoping it would ruin the Republican Party and especially GW Bush. It may happen,but it hasn't happened yet. Congress looks worse than Bush.

Rich Lowry, Pinhead
The Republican Party really has become a community of dunces.

How embarrassing to see this idiot humiliate himself in public again.

In the teeth of the facts, Lowry ignores that the "enemy" our troops are fighting in Iraq is a half a dozen homegrown insurgencies, an incipient civil war, and criminal gangs. He ignores the fact that although a handful of Osama bin Laden's followers showed up in Iraq after the invasion, in a futile attempt to hijack the Sunni resistance, they were never the reason of the instability and fragmentation.

Rowly
You are correct on Iraq! You won't hear the sharp down turn in casualties reported.

As to Bush and Congress, when you are worthless, what is the difference? If either has ever had the best interests of this country in mind, it is long past. Bush should have found his veto pen during his first term.

viet nam & iraq
re texas chuck:

I served 4 tours in nam (64 to 69) and don't rember any invasion.

The Constant Gardener
Right,you are.It's almost as if both have tried to bring our country down to Third World levels. Not much further to go,either.

Hook OH
I stand corrected and honor your service. Vietnam not an invasion just planned very badly by the politicians.

Wow
Has Republican thought really fallen this far?

To try to claim victory in Iraq we now have to build al qaeda up so it is even mildly analogous to the US in the 60's.

Al Qaeda never had a chance to win in Iraq. Iraq is a shiite country with a nationalist sunni minority. Neither group was willing to work with al qaeda except out of hatred for us or each other.

Al qaeda was able to take advantage of our presidential transition to pull off a big terrorist attack. It can now take credit for the deaths of even more Americans by tricking us into invading Iraq, although that was more a matter of our stupidity than their cleverness. It is doubtful they could have killed so many Americans had we not gone in.

And all al qaeda has ever been is a stateless terrorist group that measures its success by how much damage it can do, and so how important they can feel. And for reasons that aren't clear to me, we have done all we can to make them feel important.

How pitiful.

No longer a Rep
Since you seem to know it all, how much time did you spend in-country? My boots were on the ground, how about yours? Our are you just another stateside couch critic?

Townhall, Fix This Site PLEASE
Everyday I begin to read an article only to be unable to read the continuation. I get apologies for my inconvenience--I want to be able to read the full article. You must work out the bugs if you expect people to continue to come to Townhall.

Al Qaida in Iraq like Little Big Horn
I love Rich Lowry's work, but I take exception to comparing Al Qaida's evident defeat in Iraq with the Vietnam War. As a Vietnam veteran, I find this to be an insult (although I'm sure Lowry certainly had no intention of insulting Vietnam Vets). Vietnam was lost on the homefront not on the battlefield. The irresponsible cowards who took up the "anti-war" mantle in the 60's and 70's to avoid service, followed by the mainstream media (Walter Cronkite most especially) and same vile Democratic party that started the war and sent us there, lost the war by withdrawing support and funding. Some of these same cowards tried it again with Iraq, but, thankfully, this time we had George W. Bush in the White House, a much stronger conservative electorate, and the new media. I understand Rich Lowry's attempt to link Al Qaida's defeat to some other memorable loss, but don't pile any more crap on us Vietnam Veterans. Try comparing it to Little Big Horn.

Goshawk
Well said brother, We won every major battle in Viet Nam, how do they say WE lost the war. The liberal press And politicians lost that war. Never us, Never us!!!

eastlake joe
It seems as if we are in a time-warp.We have an almost carbon copy of what happened in Viet Nam. The same mindset by the liberals.

Tragically,they learned nothing. It is bad enough when young people are asked to fight in another country,but it is shameful when the politicians do not allow them to win it.

al Quida has not had back-biting media
That's one BIG difference between Iraq and Viet Nam. Cronkite and the media really won the war in Vietnam.

Our troops have been doing GREAT work, allowing the Iraqis the time and space needed to turn away from terrorism - whether the brutality comes from al Quida, Sunni, Shia - whatever.

And... they've done so despite continually negative press. Could we have won WW II if today's media reported on D-Day and Iwo Jima?

History
Will tell us if the invasion Iraq was a mistake,not a bunch of arm chair experts.

Rowly
No, the real tragedy is the fact that they put politics ahead of human lives- those of our troops and our allies. The libs have a well documented history of this. Cowards all!

Elsinore660
Did you mean lost the war? If there was any winning done in Viet Nam,it was the troops-not Cronkite!

eastlake joe
We are seeing the repetition of that now,though not as bad as then. The libs don't want to end this one,just use it to club the Bush Administration over the head.

Apollo
Last time I looked it was the media and the anti-war folks who first equated Iraq with Vietnam. Funny that?

The US economic model prevails in Vietna
Over the last 15 years, ex-pat Vietnamese who lived in the US for years have been welcomed back by the Vietnamese gov. A number of them opened their own small businesses with gov approval in the hope of spreading the wisdom of a free market economy.

US vets of the Vietnam war have traveled to Vietnam to do business.

The Vietnamese embassador has been to Milwaukee, WI of all places to meet with local CEOs about US companies selling mining and electronic equiment to Vietnam.

Finally, you've got the leaders of the Vietnamese gov. worried about their domestic inflation rate adversely affecting their stock market, thereby creating the potential for reduced investment by foreigners.

That's all the proof you need to show that the US system of international free market capitalism has prevailed.

Broader Muslim World?
Bringing the War on Terror to Iraq has flushed al-Qaida terrorists out of their holes and caves. How could car bombs killing your loved ones and destroying your neighborhoods inspire admiration? Young men couldn't possibly look up to this group. At least in a sane society. Your comment,"It's methods might not have produced revulsion in the broader Muslim world if they were succeeding", causes me to wonder about the ethics of the broader Muslim world. Obviously you are also wondering.

mdoggg
Who let mdoggg out? Who,who,who,who?

MoonDoggy
you are showing your ignorance once more dude. The al quaida were in the Philipines, Afganistan, and other places in the muslim world long before we invaded, guy. No T.V. for you tonight, you have to read history a little more.

Peacefrog2r
While I very much respect your service, you will have to deal with comments based on the merits. Your comment could just as easily apply to Lowry, and certainly applies to the neocon intellectuals he has chosen to consort with, as much as anybody else.

The New Party
Interesing reading....check out...((Obama and The New Party))....More insights into our Wizard of Oz's thinking..

Perhaps a more appropriate analogy
We actually won the war in Vietnam, (yes, I was there). The actual fall of that country was the result of a political calculation, one made by "Democrats," ignoring the consequences for no other reason than a political strategy. Had we not "cut off" the funds and munitions we promised, perhaps a million or so people would still be with us.

The Democrats now find it politically expedient to employ the same cold-hearted political calculation to Iraq. Yes, al Queda is on the ropes but if we pull the plug now, just as we did in Vietnam in spite of history's lesson, "rope a dope" will once become the legacy of the Democrat Party.

Take the names of all who insist that we are failing in Iraq and hold them. Should they be successful in lobbying for another Vietnam style retreat from that country and should the predictable slaughter ensue, send the survivors of the dead and maimed the names of those who found them expendable.


DanNV
I find it fascinating that people like Lowry and other neocon sympathizers at this site continue to give Al Qaeda credit for the fact that the clan structure permeates Iraq and that Iraq has never been a nation state.

One group will be able to dominate the others and form a politically consolidated government that actually functions, or some groups will be able to break away and form politically consolidated governments that actually function. There may be some things we can do indirectly, over the next several decades, to help introduce some constituional orders into that area once a functioning government forms.

Until then, it is likely that the governments that form will be decided by the gun.

Nothing liberal about that.


Lowry La-La Land
'If Vietnam was arguably a winnable war for the U.S.'

That sentence just about says it all. How come we lost then?
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