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Monday, April 28, 2008
Rich Lowry :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Christian Farrakhan
by Rich Lowry
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The Rev. Jeremiah Wright has taken Barack Obama's critically acclaimed race speech in Philadelphia, ripped it into bits and tossed it in the air to serve as confetti for his parade through the media.

In that speech, Obama said Wright had been taken out of context, a defense the pastor has made himself. If only we knew the true Wright, Obama complained, instead of just "the snippets of those sermons that have run on an endless loop on the television and YouTube." In his interview with Bill Moyers on PBS, Wright said the playing of his sound bites was "unfair," "unjust" and "untrue."

Then cometh the good reverend to step all over the out-of-context defense in a speech at the National Press Club. He defended his "chickens come home to roost" statement about 9/11 in exactly the same terms as in his original sermon: "You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you." He stood by his damnation of America and his contention that the U.S. government had created AIDS: "I believe our government is capable of doing anything."

For good measure, he dishonestly denied Louis Farrakhan's infamous denunciation of Judaism as a "gutter religion" and called him "one of the most important voices in the 20th and 21st century." The more Wright talked, the more he sounded like a Christian Farrakhan.

Near the end of his majestically awful performance, he corrected reporters, telling them that Obama "did not denounce me. He distanced himself from some of my remarks." About this at least, Wright was sober and precise. "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community," Obama said in Philadelphia. At the Press Club, Wright similarly insisted that the attacks on him were an attack on the "black church."

Obama and Wright thus slander both the black community and black church. As Stanley Kurtz of the Ethics and Public Policy Center reports in the latest National Review, Trinity United Church of Christ "is arguably the most radical black church in the country." Its black liberation theology has been rejected by mainstream black churches, a source of frustration for its adherents. This theology is at the root of all that Wright says, so the "context" is as radical as his highly publicized fulminations.

James Cone, the founder of black liberation theology, forged a worldview mingling Malcolm X-style revolutionary black nationalism and Third World Marxism with prophetic Christianity. He calls it "a theology which confronts white society as the racist anti-Christ." In a war against "white values," black pastors must -- as Wright has -- reject "white seminaries with their middle-class white ideas about God, Christ and the church."

When Wright came to Trinity Church in Chicago in the 1970s -- invited to give the worship a more black inflection and foster stronger ties to the community -- the middle-class parishioners who had beckoned him left when they got a dose of his radicalism. The national United Church of Christ denomination considered distancing itself from the Wright-led church. Yet Obama came -- and stayed.

In search of an identity and a community, Obama found it in Trinity, where he was converted by Wright's signature "Audacity to Hope" sermon and its black-liberation themes of the suffering of blacks merging with that of the ancient Israelites (not to be confused with today's condemnable Israelites). Obama can't be begrudged his youthful initiation, but remaining at the church for two decades? Wright is a canker on his candidacy, raising questions about who he really is and about his honesty.

In a slippery dance, Obama maintains that he was thoroughly shocked by Wright's original radioactive statements and hadn't heard him say such things, although he did hear other (always carefully unspecified) "controversial" things. The threat to Obama as the paladin of the "new politics" is that, as he dodges and distances on Wright, people will come to agree with his former pastor's newly dismissive evaluation: "He says what he has to say as a politician."

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Actually Rich
A "pretend Christian" Farrakhan.

Rich, you are a lying fear monger
"Obama and Wright thus slander both the black community and black church."

I suppose the word "thus" is there to make readers doped up on your right wing fear tactics believe that you are making some sense. Lucky for you not many of them will take the time to realize that the charge is unsupported (because it is a ridiculous lie).



Iquinn, U are using baseless AD Hominem
Puhleeze.

Rich is not using "right wing fear tactics."

I know, I know, those that criticize someone that lefties like is somehow a right-wing fear mongerer. Standard lib MO. Yada yada yada.

Rich points out the truth...and this you apparently do not like.

Rev. Wrong, I mean Wright, said that an attack on him is an attack on black churches.

Wright does NOT speak for all black churches.

In fact, almost all black churches want nothing to do with his Black Liberation Theology and his worldview.

By saying that an attack on him was an attack on the black churches - he does slander the black community and black church.

Once again, libbies are wrong.

Do they ever tire of this?

Hillary has to be loving this
Did'nt Wright's people tell us he would be taking a 3 month sabbaticle and would be unavailable for comments? He should have followed through on that.

There is only one reason this guy is doing the media rounds. Someone took him aside and said, "You may have just cost us the first Black Presidency."

Some things are better left alone. Neither Wright nor Obama can ever explain away or fix what was said, and all Wright is doing now is fanning the flames, keeping the whole thing alive and undercutting Obama.

Maybe Wright thinks he is helping, but he's not. I just watched the whole thing play out from beginning to end all over again in the news over the past three days, when, before that, I was tuned into Obama and Hillary's jostle over Indiana.




Rich,Right AS Usual
But if this man is a true Christian he is giving us a bad name.I know of no Christian who hates his fellowman.Just the opposite.

This Wright is a dangerous man for this time and place.He has a following now,that he never had and ,wow,is he taking advantage of it!

That lefty Bill Moyers gave him a platform to tell his side of his story and of,course,he got a free ride.Moyers just let him go on and on. Sickening.PBS and Moyers should be ashamed.

Race relations will suffer after this man is finished with his rantings and no damage control will heal them.He says 'the chickens are coming home to roost'.Right now,he is the rooster in the henhouse.


Some pastor
I was wondering when someone would get around to noticing that the guy, a supposed Christian pastor with free national exposure, can't seem to find any room to mention Jesus and forgiveness.

Where's a whip of cords when you need one?

Thank You Reverend
So, what was it that flushed out Reverend Wright? In Democrat's minds the whole Wright thing had kind of played out and Obama still had momentum. Of course the only Democrats that cared about what Rev. Wright stood for were the Clintons, but they just couldn't get the story out.

But the good Reverend's ego got the best of him and he just had to start talking. He couldn't believe that his loyal parishioner had abandoned him. He was loyal to Obama by vanishing when everything went nuclear, but Sen. Obama never called to offer support. Now it is payback time. Plus, if Obama loses the election, can you imagine the speeches Rev. Wright could give?

I say give him more air time
The more he speaks, the better.

No one needs to define this man, he has already defined himself, and Obama as well.

These are the sort of people who built Nation States like Saudi Arabia, or Communist China, or Zimbabwe.

He believes in a little bit from each of those nations, but despises America.( I know, he says he "loves" America, ha ha)
He is a devil
Who in their right mind wants one of these sort of people in power for dog catcher, let alone as President.

Hate those honkies
Rev. Wright is symtomatic of the more elderly black people in this country. As the next two decades go by, these individuals will die of old age, hopefully replaced by more sane leaders. but that is a fantasy rather than reality. The notion of black victimhood won't go away for the remainder of the 21st century.

The Cyclist
Who knows where Wright went when it hit the fan? Maybe he got some marching orders when he went south.Wonder who he met with.Farrahkan or some of the militants he is Buddy,Buddy with?

He sure is making the rounds with a fawning media to aid him in whatever he is up to.He is turning a lot of people off,but on the other hand,he is making new friends.

A dangerous man,that's what he is. Hate, so thick,you could cut it with a knife.How did he get this way? Who does his mentoring? I wish I knew,(I think.)

Wright Is No Christian
Svpallava: I agree. Wright is actually Christian in name only. He's actually more a Black Muslim. He's developed a hybrid church/mosque.

He has the same wacky, childlike thinking as Farrakkhan. Numbers mean this or that. Somewhat paranoid.

A Pretend Religion
Cone's black liberation theology is just a marxist made up religion. Like Kwanzaa is a made up holiday. I say let Wright shout out as much as he wants. Soon enough he'll be taken away in a strait jacket.

sandy
Healing from devisive words and acts will only come from each person taking responsibility to repent, forgive and to reach out with acceptance and respect for one another. Too bad this is not what Obama's so called "Christian" minister and spiritual mentor teaches. It reflects poorly on his judgement and honesty.

kapahulu
Have you noticed Wright's repeated use of the word "fitna?" I thought that was some kind of urban slang or Wright slurring his words when I first heard and read transcripts last year. Then when the short film Fitna came out, I learned that it's an Arabic word meaning something like "test of faith in times of trial."


As others have pointed out, where's the forgiveness? Wright said something about certain people not being the ones who "put me in chains." That's the key mistake that liberals make about this issue. Wright was never in chains. I never put anyone in chains. He's saying that whites in America today are responsible for the actions of a relative handful of white Americans hundreds of years ago, and that the grievance is his, not just his ancestors'. Not only is that a gross perversion of the notion of moral responsibility, but most Americans today did not even have ancestors in the U.S. before 1963.

And let's not forget that Wright grew up in Philadelphia, not the segregated South. So he can't even claim to have been persecuted, let alone put in chains. This guy is either detached from reality or the most despicable kind of race hustler. Probably both.


What about half-black, half-white people? Do they owe themselves reparations? Should they be excluded from a job or college acceptance (via affirmative action) despite being qualified or should they give up their spot for a fully black person?

This race-baiting is pure nonsense. It would be amusing if it weren't so destructive.

Correction
That should be 1863, not 1963.

Black man tired of people like Wright
I am VERY tired of people like Wright, Farakhan, Jesse and Reverend Al claiming to speak for me and then hiding behind the cloak of blackness whenever they are in trouble. Come on. Wright is clearly extreme and wrong. If a white person said that their church espoused values for the white society and the white religious tradition, I would think that reasonable people would find that divisive. How on earth can this black separatist talk not be viedwed as divisive? Then, couple that talk with some of his more aggressive and anti-American government comments, it is hard to imagine how anyone can question why reasonable people would find this man's speech unsettling. Then clearly, if a very aggressive and arguably radical theology is so clearly espooused by this man, why is it hard to understand why reasonable people would have a hard time understanding how a candidate preaching racial reconciliation can have as his pastor for 20 years someone so clearly unapologetically interested in racial division?

kapahulu wrote...
...that Wright's no Christian. With that I have some trouble disagreeing. To be a Christian, you must be a disciple of Jesus. Can anyone here picture Jesus telling Wright to say the things he's been saying?

But more importantly and more spiritually, Wright does not seem to believe that Jesus is the only way to Heaven. How can he call himself a Christian when he suggests that Islam is just as valid a way to Heaven as Jesus? Now some of you out there who do not understand Biblical Christianity may think this remark is intolerant. Not so. I'd be intolerant if I couldn't stand the idea of Muslims being allowed to worship freely on my country's streets. Actually what I am is simply a man who has a different point of view: Jesus'. He told His disciples that He alone is the way and the truth and the life; no one goes to the Father except through Him (John 14:6). He also said that narrow is the road and straight is the path that leads to salvation (Jesus only), but wide is the road that leads to destruction ("many ways to God"). When Jesus said that there were others not of "this flock", He was referring to other groups of 12 disciples who were already out performing ministerial tasks in His Name. He was NOT referring to other belief systems that excluded His blood-shedding personal sacrifice.

By saying there are many ways to Heaven, you essentially label Jesus a liar. You also negate His mission on the cross and the necessity of His resurrection. You basically pull the rug out from under Christianity. Yet this man calls himself a Christian. Unbelievable.

Good column
The comparision with Farrakhan is on target. Wright also calls to mind another incoherent demagogue who experimented disastrously with the explosive compound of Christianity and Marxism -- Jim Jones.

Thanks, Rev
Wright's demagoguery is so far out that it ends up being hilarious. I watched his performances at the NAACP meeting and the Press Club and cracked up. They were funnier than most of the so-called comedy skits on TV. He is Saturday Night Live on Sunday through Friday. In fact, I think SNL should invite him on the comedy show.

Then the Drudge Report runs a picture today of Obama with the caption, "Thanks, Rev."

Priceless!




Wright is no Christian
"Christian Farrakhan" is an oxymoron. Kapahulu, has it right on the money, as do many other posters - Wright has no clue as to the true Christian faith. He is a promoter of a false gospel, one that Paul said should lead him to be "eternally condemned" (Gal. 1). So for all Wright's "God damn" of the U.S., he should be concerned about God damning him and his cultic teachings.

Why do I not hear anything from Wright about damning the African nations that sold the blacks into slavery in the first place?

Wright is a Christian ... ??
If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.
--- 1 John 4:19-21

Obama and His Pastor are not Christians
It's become clear that Obama has been using his church and pastor as a tool to gain and hold political power. This 6 thousand-plus activist Black church was used to garner votes in his political growth through Chicago and Illinois.

But Rev Wright now has a national platform from which to spread his hate-filled sermons that he didn't have before Obama.

They are using each other to build their secular and political fortunes. That's anything but Christian.

Is there any way
to stop the taxpayer funding of PBS? Maybe there was a need for a publicly funded channel many years ago when there were only a few television stations to watch.

At first PBS offered good kid's programs and cultural events found nowhere else on TV. I even question goverment funding of that. Let those who want PBS type programming pay for it.

Now PBS has developed into a forum for leftist nitwits like Bill Moyers. I don't want my tax dollars going to support him and his ilk.

A Gop Shill
As a 'GOP Shill',I do know when Republicans stray from their appointed places.I will readily admit when I see them voting in policies that are not in keeping with our beliefs,such as happened in 2005 and 2006.

Our party paid for those policies and lost many seats.It is a pity some on the other side just will not criticize their party,no matter how low they go.

Democrats have passed many laws that have led us down to where we are,but continue to blame GW Bush for the results. He should have vetoed many of them,true,but with no 'line item veto',sometimes a president must take the good with the bad.

It is high time for Democrats to admit the racial problems we see today are totally caused by the race-baiting techniques they have applied for years.Bribing for votes.

The Clintons were the best at that.Now minorities are showing their appreciation by clinging to one of their own and kicking Hillary to the curb.Couldn't happen to a more deserving person than her,either.



the rev wright
according to some of his fellow ministers at the press meting, they find wright to be brilliant and on message. It indicates that wright and his lunacy about america and his hatred may not be so isolated.

It is often said that ministers preeach to their congregation. It would seem that with the prevalence of the victim mentality in the black community wirght's message may find a ready audience.

Wright and fellows like him can't let go of the past. He is demanding an apology for slavery from persons having nothing to do with that shameful institution. But assuming, for argument sake, his gets that apology will that change his message or will he be able to move on to other things.

The idea that blacks can hold whites guilty for past actions but that blacks get a pass for not letting go of the past continues to defy understanding.

wildwest
The Drudge Report has a story that one of Hillary's supporters,Dr.Barbara Reynolds arranged the Press Club appearance.Think the plot thickens?

Christian
Christianity is founded in the faith that Jesus was the Christ, the expected Messiah, the son of God in carnal form. The Rev Wright never once acknowledged this in his "speech" yesterday; rather, he referred to Jesus as the last prophet of the Jewish people. Jewish prophets were never considered devine, but the "mouthpieces" of "I AM".
The Rev Wright is NOT a Christian, and I believe that the vast majority of US Black Christians reject Wright's beliefs.
Wright, as many, conveniently dismiss the "greatest love" given by over 350,000 WHITE US citizens when they gave their lives to end slavery in this country.

rowly
no one has to help the wright train wreck. The fool has announced a book deal and claims the book will be out this fall.

With his $10 million line of credit for his new home in white america, the only thing upsetting wright is why didn't this happen to him sooner. He seems to relish the celebrity and will attend any gathering to garner more attention. He probably would attend the opening of an envelope if the media would report on it.

But give him and his supporters all the media attention they crave. You deflate the ego of extremists by showering them with attention, and letting the public know they lack all substance


wildwest
Some speculate now,that Wright doesn't want Obama to win,as that would negate all his rantings about how blacks are treated in this country.He would rather he lost so he could keep his theme intact.

I expect he will be more popular than Obama in a few weeks,if he keeps making the rounds.He appeals more to radicals,who like to hear this sort of ranting.


Wrightt, Farrakhan Brothers in Theology
Wright is as much a racist as Louis Farrakhan. He is anti-semitic, a black and Afro centrist, and relegates Jesus to being a prophet instead of the Son of God. This is what the Nation of Islam does with no apologies. Like all "christian" cults his church (and the United Church of Christ) use the Bible to prove their theology; not take what the Bible says in context.

For TH posters
Yesterday and today, Guantanamo hearings in Washington are revealing sad and ugly testimonies about torture, the corrupton of civil and legal rights and extent of Republican Administration lies to the public.

Yet, TH and it's regulars go on and on about Rev. right, Democrats as evil monsters, all the basic irrelevant trash that prevents them from talking or writing about the actual news, at least when it's more complicated than a bumper sticker or makes the administration look bad.

US military officers who resigned over the encouragemento use torture to obtain confessions (one was told, "Anything goes" )and other crimes don't get a mention on TH, although they are the top stories on many reputable and respected blogs this morning, which, in predicatble and true form seems to be written and populated by sex-obsessed moral idiots.

Acceptable....
..."reasoning" by leftist blacks are always hilarious.

A sober adult might think their persecution fantasies, bizarre history scenarios, and their beliefs regarding the origins of other races were written by a team from Disney.

One my favorites put forth by other black clown-clergy was that whites were "ice people". I don't remember the entire profile, but it was a hoot.

Then there's Calypso Louie Farrakhan's sermons about a space ship and a character named Yakub. He must have doing some dynamite reefer to come up with that one.

That an enormous population of blacks would accept these yarns is quite an indictment against the black race. But not as much as the MSM that reports them as serious religious scholarship.

Oops!
.."reasoning" by leftist blacks IS always hilarious.

I'll edit next time. Sorry, folks.

Reading down this thread
What, no bible verses?

You guys must be slow on the uptake today.

Farrakhan is no Christian...
...and as far as I can tell, Wright is a Christian in name only. To borrow a phrase from John Wayne, Wright and Farrakhan are "two sides of a counterfeit coin."

One flock & one shepherd…

“And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.” [John 10:16]


The apostolic commentary on Christ’s doctrine is given in Ephesians 2:11-22. The great New Covenant promise is that the gospel is not for the Jew only, but also for the Gentile.

What Was Obama Thinking
Associating for 20 years with such a radical organization. It is obvious that Obama had high ambitions coming out of Harvard; you don't graduate at the top of class at Havard Law, give up a 6-7 figure income if you didn't foster political ambitions. Obama spent almost 20 years creating the Dream CV. Why throw it all away by associating yourself and your family with an organization that the majority of the nation would find repugnant. I remember what the Dems did to conservative judicial nominees -they even brought up questions concerning thier associations with certain college faternities. Didn't he think that eventually, his association with a race-hustler like Wright would cause him huge problems?

The pro from dover, and deathstar
"Then there's Calypso Louie Farrakhan's sermons about a space ship and a character named Yakub. He must have doing some dynamite reefer to come up with that one."
LOL!

"What, no bible verses? You guys must be slow on the uptake today."
Hey, I contributed one at 8:30AM.

Come on, Wright is crying out to be smacked down from the Scriptures. He's right up there with "Reverend" Jesse and "Reverend" Al, those shining exemplars of Galatians 3:28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gal%203&version=31).

Should we be surprised?
I knew Bill Moyers would never conduct an honest interview with Jeremiah Wright. Some twenty years ago, he produced a "documentary" on the Southern Baptist Convention. It was actually a propoganda piece against the SBC's conservative leadership. Moyers claimed he was a "lifelong Southern Baptist", but he had actually been a member of the UCC since the late sixties. He condemned conservatives for "politicizing" the SBC, but he failed to mention the political involvement of liberal Southern Baptists such as James Dunn and the late Foy Valentine.

The Executive Committee of the SBC later condemned Moyers' program for its biased content. Moyers protested, and demanded that he be allowed to defend himself before the Committee. I don't think he expected the Executive Committee to take him up on his offer, but they did. Needless to say, Moyers chickened out at the last minute.

To put it simply, Bill Moyers has absolutely no integrity, and hasn't had any for a long time. Thus, we shouldn't be surprised that his "interview" with Wright was little more than an exercise in shallow flattery.

Jamble
"Maybe there was a need for a publicly funded channel many years ago when there were only a few television stations to watch."

Maybe there was, especially when PBS was NET, and nominally educational programs made up a high percentage of its schedule. As you say, even after its change of name it occasionally offered good things besides algebra II -- not only _Firing Line_, but also _People in Jazz_, _Koltanowski on Chess_, _The Electric Company_, _Connections_. . . The private sector didn't do badly during that era, however. It gave us Ernie Kovacs, _Bullwinkle_, _Experiment in Television_, _The Twilight Zone_, the nightly news, and so on. In a more salubrious regulatory climate it probably could've filled the NET/PBS niche.

Even in the good old days, NET/PBS didn't necessarily increase viewers' range of options. In large expanses of flyover country, taxpayers forced to underwrite the network couldn't get its signal with a roof aerial reaching halfway to the moon. Much of its national programming was meant for city-dwellers anyway. (Ever wonder why _Sesame Street_ wasn't _Sesame Farm_?) And the very technology that finally made PBS more accessible simultaneously rendered it less relevant.

"Is there any way to stop the taxpayer funding of PBS?"

Like most urban newspapers, PBS remains defiant in decline -- shrill, leftist, elitist, woefully behind the times (wordplay intended), therefore widely adored and sometimes watched inside the Beltway. Republican Congresses and Republican presidents have been unable to touch it. Democrats generally want to throw more money at it. So it's likely to be with us forever, as are the U.N., the U.S. Dept. of Education, and firemen on electric locomotives.

ken
exactly when did billy joe moyers have any credibility. It seems that all he learned from his mentor, LBJ, was that the dims and truth and principle are foreign concepts to the left.

Moyers is just further proof of the hatred the far left harbors for america. In their view america represents everything wrong with the rest of the world.

For the far left once america is reduced to third world status after making amends for all of humanities sins since the beginning of time all will be right with the world.

Of course that can't happen until the far left controls everything and under the tutelage of soreholes, the far left thinks their vision is within reach. In the oblahma and his mentor wright, they think they have found their spokesmen and the leader who will take them to their promised land of their socialist nirvana

wildwest
"exactly when did billy joe moyers have any credibility"

Good question. Somebody else will have to answer it, because I certainly don't know!

wildwest
Bill Moyers is just where he belongs.He and PBS make a good team.I watch PBS when they have some of their favorites,Bocelli,Brightman and a few others ,when they are having their drive for money.

I would not give them a dime that is not forced.I have seen too many shows that are so biased against what I believe,I just don't bother with them.On a lot of their nature shows,they always have to sneak some evolution ideas into them.

Funny how you can tell when one of our columnists hits a nerve.All the liberals start circling around like vultures,picking and tearing at us and our beliefs.

They are so predictable.The same ones have the same talking points. They don't have a leg to stand on,but will they admit it? Of course not.Will they admit they are to blame for 95% of the problems we are facing? Ditto.

They are also very patient.If they can't get their way ,one way,they will try another.If they can't get it at the ballot box,they take it to the liberal courts.Every time they win,we lose.

rowly
out of curiosity. Do libs do to each other what they are trying to do to the rest of america?

If they have this much contempt for the great unwashed in the hinderlands do they likewise have less tolerance for less enlightened brethren?

Is it possible for the leftists elitists to be intollerant of their fellow travelers who can't fully understand and appreciate all the nuance that flows from the coastal elites like so much shiote flowing to the sewers

Or then again perhaps ther coastal elites prefer their fellow travelers to be more like the sheep. Easily led and never asking embarrasing questions about what the real motives and intentions are fro their betters

PBS
has been Moyers own personal money tree. PBS has enriched Moyers and his sons to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Moyers is filth. As is his buddy Jimmuh Carter.

wildwest
If they do to each other what they try to do to us,is it still legal to have a cigarette afterwards?

They only want to shut us up.Wear us down.Would probably kill us if they could.They have so much contempt,I can understand why some are still defending the indefensible.Mainly Obama and Wright.

They have all the airways,news shows,etc.Still they hate Fox News and talk radio.They do even realize how left-wing they are.They think they are 'middle of the road' and we are 'right wing radicals.We are here to stay,though,and I will not argue with them.I say my piece and they can like or not.I couldn't care less.

wildwest
Sentence should read...They do not even realize how left-wing they are.(poor proofreading.)

rowly
rest assured. They can never shut us up or wear us down. They lack the ability to indulge in anything other than group think. What passes fro intellectual discussion on the left only qualifies as childish rantings for many of us on the right.

When have they been able to convince any or convert others to their side who don't comply to leftist thinking. Just reading the postings from the usual band of trolls shows their total lack of original thought. They thrive on parroting the daily talking points but bring nothing new to the discussion.

But what they fail to do from my viewpoint is have any fun is the discussion. There are so many from the right posting with cleverness and biting wit. That is why we will always win. That is why they are so predictable and boring.

Don't insult Farrakhan...
...by comparing him to Jeremiah Wright. Mind you, I think Farrakhan is despicable, but at least his hatred is consistent with his religious beliefs. Wright is preaching hatred in the name of a religion that is supposed to be based on love and forgiveness. In my opinion, that makes him doubly despicable.

think_4_yourself
Could you post a couple of links for the Guantanamo hearings in Washington yesterday and today?

Were Christ in a grave...
...Wright would have Him spinning!

think_4_yourself
I've read a report at the Daily Kos, http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/29/111014/714/872 /505604, posted by an ACLU lawyer reporting from a hearing at Guantanamo, Cuba (not from Washington, as you reported). Now considering the source, I view this report with some skepticism.

The ACLU observer describes just one military officer who resigned over the conduct of prosecutions, because he disagreed with the decisions of his superiors. No torture was mentioned at all. The issue was not even whether to use waterboarding, but the decision of Col. Morris Davis not to use evidence obtained by waterboarding.

His superiors wanted him to offer the evidence, and let the judge decide whether it is admissible. This sounds reasonable to me. Col. Davis had a number of other objections to the conduct of his superiors, which were rather vaguely reported.

There's nothing here to shake the foundations of the Republic. It sounds like typical office politics in a prosecutor's office. And I don't mean to denigrate Col. Davis, who is clearly a very senior lawyer. There is nothing odd or unusual, however, about a more senior lawyer disagreeing with his junior, and instructing the junior on how to proceed.

Think of Fred Thompson's Law & Order character overruling Sam Waterman's.

Christianity is evil
Look we've been trying to tell you all along that Christianity is evil. Write isn't the first Christian fundamentalist. We open ourselves up to all kinds of hocus pocus when we support superstitious people in politics.

uber
"Write isn't the first Christian fundamentalist."

Who is "Write"? Are you talking about Wright? Since when is he a fundamentalist? He embraces liberation theology. I suggest you refrain from commenting on these issues until you know what you're talking about.

Secular Humanism
There are many who call themselves followers of Christ who do not have the slightest idea of what He taught. Uber, I would bet you are a secular humanist. As one what hocus pocus do you open your mind to? Darwin? Global warming? Mankind is inherently good? Solar power is the answer? Oil bad? Wind good?

Salome

Wright no Christian; he is "Faux-rakhan"
If Obama had become a member of a true Christian church, he would have realized that Jeremiah Wright's preaching was not reflective of mainstream black churches.

Obama might also have become a conservative Republican rather than a socialist Democrat.

James Cone speaks out
James Cone, the founder of Black Liberation Theology and a friend of Reverend Wright, just gave an interview to Forbes magazine:

"Black liberation theory emerged out of the ministers: out of Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X in the late 1960s.

"What we were trying to do is to show that one can be black and Christian at the same time. That one can love oneself as a black person. And also, in fact, that that's the only way you can learn how to love other people.

"And one of the problems in a racist society is that blacks who are the victims of that white supremacy often develop self-hatred. To see that self-hatred is to see what violence we do against each other. …

"The violence that blacks do to each other is a violence that is the result of not liking who you are."

http://tinyurl.com/456g3e

To James Cone, black-on-black crime is the result of white racism. Blacks are not responsible for the other blacks they murder and rape. We are, according to Cone.

SteveL
There is a particularly interesting article about Black liberation theology and James Cone in the New Yorker Magazine (about 2-3 weeks ago).
It is well researched and there is an extensive interview with Cone.

Mainly, I think it is hard for people to take the time to consider it from another viewpoint, we live in a time when any idea that can't be digested in two seconds isn't worth having.

Whether one agrees with Cone or not, it is a very thought-provoking view as is it's history.

Notice how
the resident God haters transfer their hatred and missunderstanding of our Holy and Sovereign God to His followers. They believe God is evil for a variety of reasons, one of them is that He is genocidal which begs the question, how can the Creator be genocidal? As Creator He can do whatever He pleases with His creation and if it's populated by evil, rebellious humans He's got the right to give them the chance He gave Ninevah and if they refuse give them a dose of Sodom and Gomorrah. And we human beings have only one option, to pray and intercede as Abraham did for Sodom and Gomorrah. Unfortunately for Sodom/Gomorrah they fell short of the number of righteous men. Be not decieved,
God is not mocked.

Wright
I'm in agreement with most of the posters here. Wright is most certainly NOT a Christian. He is a false prophet. Unfortunately, it seems he has led many astray. Every arrogant word out of his mouth begs the question: "Where's the Good News?"

He has no good news...only condemnation for the US, Jews, Caucasions, et. al. Not the kind of "spiritual mentor" I want to follow.

None of this is new
Everyone is acting as if all this happened overnight. Jeremiah Wright wigged out overnight. Barack just this month woke up to the vitriol that his pastor has been spewing for 20 years. And Moyers didn't act like a real journalist -- for about the 150th time this year already.

None of this is new. It's all same old same old for everyone concerned. The difference may be that Jeremiah Wright used to have a local platform; now he has national notoriety for his racist pablum and he is clearly just lapping it up. Barack is used to talking grandiosely and saying nothing, refusing to disown his pastor and expecting America to give him a pass because he's black (which appears to be the main reason many people DO hand out passes).

Jeremiah Wright is the same sleazebag he always was. The difference is now he gets national attention for it. Barack is the same politician and empty suit he always was. The difference is now people are truly questioning his past and not giving him a pass because of his race.

I think the past of all of this that's a real shame is that America is FINALLY ready for a black president -- and now that we finally have evolved to that stage, look what we get. Barack Obama. Amateur extraordinaire. Colin Powell, where are you?

According to Limbaugh...
...that Hillary lover...

Farrakhan's goons provided Wright with security.

OBAMA
OBAMA'S TYPICAL WHITE PERSON COMMENT!
if obama thinks all he has to do is give his little press conference today and we will all give him credit is abosolutely out of touch!

he figured over a month ago the "typical white person" will see it as no harm to have this guy as his preacher etc....

well let me tell you something obama!! this is one of the problems you have!! you cant fix it now! you cant even try to fix it now! we arnt just that typical white people you thought we were and now even the black people see you for what you are as well!!

YOUR FAKE!!

Desperation
Wright is no more offensive than Pat Robertson. Conservatives can't promote McCain, so they attack the Democrats, hoping that will be enough to get McCain the White House. It won't be. People will be voting for Obama, not his pastor.

Obamba's chickens coming home to roost
I never thought I'd be defending Rev. Wright, HOWEVER, Obamba is the WORST liar by denouncing his "friend" and pastor, and it is obvious now that he just used him.

THAT is despicable.

Obamba used Rev. Wright, his church, his connections, and anything else he could get to jumpstart his campaign. And NOW he actually thinks that he can just screw someone and split?

Think again.

Obamba's chickens will come home to roost for this one.

Look to see Rev. Wright come out and mock Obamba for feigning shock over his speech. He is NOT going to let Obamba screw him without even a kiss.

Rev. Wright is a lot of things and I've been one of his fiercest critics, but he's not a LIAR like Obamba. I'm on Rev. Wright's side on this one.

Rick, if I may
Cons are not trying to promote McCain. Cons don't like McCain. And you better check with your girl, Hillary and them Dem/libs to see who is going after Obama.

100% correct
Calling him a Christian Farrakhan is the most accurate description yet.
Now, the type of Christian he is, is another story!

Christian Farrakhan?
I am not sure he is a 'Christian',anything.If he is Christian,he is giving Christians a bad name.It is not my place to judge whether he is or not.I can say he surely acts like no Christian I have ever come in contact with.In fact,none of the people mentioned in this column,do.

Rick
"People will be voting for Obama, not his pastor."

If Obama doesn't start doing some serious damage control, people won't be voting for either one.

Out of the Emotional Mainstream
"Averages of daily polls show Obama holding at 45% (lowest 43%, highest 46%, within limits of statistical confidence on a 1,000 sample) all the way through this Rev. Wright business."

You forgot to mention those numbers are for Democrats. As a lifelong Dem myself, if Obama is the nominee, I say he should lose all 50 states. The Dem party should be harshly repudiated for promoting Obama long before he was ready. I blame 'Boozer' Kennedy and Howard the Coward (Dean) for this.

Church?
The "black" church? I was not aware that the Creator of all "color-coded" HIS Church. I wonder if there is a "blue" church? Blue is my favorite color.
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