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Tuesday, September 12, 2006
Rich Lowry :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Interrogation Wars
by Rich Lowry
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In its way, it is a sign of a return to normality. For decades, the CIA was spooked by the possibility of congressional hearings and lawsuits into forswearing any risk-taking acts. Immediately after 9/11, everyone agreed that the CIA needed a down-and-dirty ability to operate in the twilight world of our enemies. Now, five years later, CIA officers are scared of lawsuits again.

According to The Washington Post, CIA counterterrorism officers are rushing to buy legal insurance. They worry about their exposure in conducting interrogations that have broken up ongoing plots and helped roll up much of al-Qaida's top ranks. President Bush wants legislation defining prosecutable conduct more precisely, but key Republican senators are resisting it, on the grounds, apparently, that the CIA should be able to fend off terrorists and lawyers all at once.

Bush's speech last week detailing how terrorists Khalid Sheik Mohammed (the mastermind of 9/11 known as KSM) and Abu Zubaydah were made to talk using "special" interrogation techniques in secret CIA prisons overseas was an overdue entry into a debate dominated by the administration's critics. In a key victory for them, the Department of Defense has released a new field manual that authorizes only noncoercive techniques. The toughest allowable method is separating a detainee from his comrades, and this requires the approval of a four-star combatant commander.

This overly restrictive standard is likely to migrate across the U.S. government and apply to the CIA as well. This is foolish, because the CIA doesn't deal with lawful, captured enemy soldiers — who should indeed be protected from coercive interrogations — as the military does. Instead, the agency handles terrorists who might have information that can save countless lives.

One reason critics have been faring so well in this debate is that they dishonestly conflate basically any interrogation method not acceptable in a domestic-criminal context with "torture." According to ABC News, six extraordinary techniques were approved for use against top-level terrorism suspects, including shaking and slapping, stress positions, cold cells and "waterboarding" (simulated drowning). Some of these techniques aren't close to torture; others could be torture depending on their severity; and waterboarding is close to, or perhaps over, the line.

Most terrorism suspects can't withstand waterboarding for more than 14 seconds, and KSM impressed his interrogators by holding out for more than two minutes. In a forthright debate, Congress might ban it. On the other hand, we might decide that in extreme cases involving top terrorism suspects, we will subject them to the same waterboarding used on our own military during Survival Evasion Resistance Escape training. Certainly for most Americans, reserving this expedient for the likes of KSM wouldn't "shock the conscience," to borrow the phrase often used to define torture.

Because they don't have faith in the sheer moral force of their argument, opponents of coercive interrogation also contend that it "never works," because it only forces people to lie. But it doesn't make sense that everyone always lies. Some people will lie; others will tell the truth. In this vein, Bush critics claim that Abu Zubaydah didn't give us any useful information and was "tortured" needlessly. But CIA officials say that "he was lying, and things were going nowhere" prior to tougher interrogations. Even journalist Ron Suskind, a Bush critic, says that "we did get some things of value."

Opponents of coercive interrogations want to conjure a just-so world, where terrorists always tell us what they know through the sweet art of persuasion and where we never have to do anything that morally discomfits us. Would that the world were so clean and simple. Let's hope the judgment that scholar Paul Rahe rendered on those unwilling to make morally complicated choices prior to World War II never has to be made against opponents of coercive interrogation: "They were more nice than wise. In refusing to commit the smaller sin, they incurred a far greater wrong."

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Zeus
What makes you think torture endures because of its efficacy at producing truth? During the Christian Inquisition, people were tortured until they confessed to witchcraft and commerce with Satan. Do you maintain that this was reliable information? In addition to cowards humanity boasts sadistic monsters too, many of whom find the military or intelligence services to be convenient refuges, where they can indulge their unappealing appetites more conveniently. Then there's the equally admirable motive called revenge, which I notice you seem to find very persuasive.

Electric drills are an insurgent innovation, so I can't "share" those details with you. Actually I feel very little inclination to "share" anything with you, but I'll be happy to inform you of some facts. For instance there's the innocent arab taxi driver who was hung up by his wrists for days in American custody, while his legs were so badly battered that, had he lived, they would have required amputation. A child chained to the floor, sprayed with water, and left exposed overnight. An Iraqi military officer, who was wrapped in a sleeping bag and smothered. And so on. These crimes aren't better known, because the cowardly American media refuse to report them and because many people (perhaps even you?) prefer to fool themselves that American torture is nothing more than fraternity hazing. (That characterization came from another notorious right wing liar named Rush Limbaugh.)

As for your last remark about cowardice, among the notable people in history who have declined to protect themselves from violence are Ghandi and Jesus. So I gather you consider them cowards. Here's a suggestion: If you don't have an effective retort, rather than say something that stupid, maybe it would be best just to say nothing.

ajhil
Ok, first of all...

"Most authorities on interrogation admit that physical torture is an unreliable way of obtaining information. I’ll leave it up to anyone who cares to investigate this statement. It’s not difficult to verify."

For something as unreliable as physical torture, it sure has remarkable staying power, you know, since it's been used since the beginning of recorded history. But that's not the point.

"I find it incredible – well, maybe not, considering the depth of hypocrisy among so many of them – that conservatives can rant one moment about the brutality of the terrorists, who drill holes in people’s skulls and decapitate living prisoners, and the next moment advocate equally despicable treatment for prisoners held by the United States."

If you are aware of Americans "drilling holes in people's skulls" or "decapitating living prisoners", or advocating such, by all means, please share.

"I consider people who advocate torture to be not only morally deficient, but cowards as well, unwilling to place any value higher than a hypothetical increase in their own safety."

Before you start accusing others of cowardice, start by looking in the mirror...there is nothing more cowardly than refusing to protect yourself.

Pathetic indeed...



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