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Wednesday, April 22, 2009
Rich Galen :: Townhall.com Columnist
Vengeance Is Mine
by Rich Galen
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From the King James Bible, Romans 2:19

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, "Vengeance is mine; I will repay," saith the Lord.

President Barack Obama is proving to be small, vengeful, and partisan when it comes to what used to be called the War on Terror.

Here's a timeline on the CIA Memo business.

On May 31, former Vice President Dick Cheney was interviewed by CNN's John King about the Obama Administrations policies toward the War on Terror Overseas Contingency Operations.

CNN quoted Cheney as saying President Obama "is making some choices that, in my mind, will, in fact, raise the risk to the American people of another attack."

In obvious retribution for Cheney's remarks, last week Obama released four memos which the New York Times characterized as "describing brutal interrogation techniques used by the Central Intelligence Agency," in attempting to gain information from captured terrorist following 9/11.

According to reporters Emily Pierce and Keith Koffler writing in Roll Call newspaper:

Appearing Sunday on ABC's "This Week," White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said Obama believes that "those who devised policy ... should not be prosecuted, either, and that's not the place that we go." He quoted Obama as writing, "This is not a time for retribution."

Again, according to Roll Call:

Emanuel's statement was not an isolated slip of the tongue. On Monday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs reaffirmed it.

Gibbs was asked during Monday's daily briefing why "the Bush administration lawyers" are "not being held accountable."

He replied, "The president is focused on looking forward, that's why."

To calm the waters at CIA, Obama trekked out to Langley for a visit which Reuters said "represented a swift bid by Obama to shore up CIA morale after he released last week classified Bush-era legal memos detailing the interrogation program."

The foolishness reached a new level yesterday when Obama apparently reversed himself by suggesting that yes, indeed, there might be prosecutions over the "enhanced interrogation techniques" employed by the CIA.

According to Reuters, Obama said he

"would not necessarily oppose an effort to pursue a 'further accounting' or investigation into the Bush-era interrogation program …

"The stance marked a shift for the Obama administration, which has emphasized it does not want to dwell on the past."

Obama was unable to stand up to the pressures of the Left - inside Congress and without - who are not the least bit interested in letting bygones be gone.

The latest indication of how Obama's vengeful decision to release the memos in the first place are going to cause him more trouble than they will cause Bush Administration officials came yesterday.

According to another NY Times piece, Obama's top intelligence official, Adm. Dennis C. Blair, wrote a memo which appeared to support the interrogation techniques.

"High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used" he wrote, "and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa'ida organization that was attacking this country."

The White House would do well to heed the caution in Romans and leave the vengeance to a higher power.

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Rich Galen has been a press secretary to Dan Quayle and Newt Gingrich. Rich Galen currently works as a journalist and writes at Mullings.com

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only Democrats
could believe that pouring water over someones face is immoral and cruel, but killing a baby in a mothers body is a basic right.

I would suppose...
that the people to be held accountable would be the congressional representatives, many of which are the very democrats wanting revenge now, who viewed the opinions of the Bush Justice Department and approved them at the time. What's good for the goose...

At any rate, I think this is just ridiculous and they need to stop making public CIA memos and stop the threats against the former administration. Some day, "God willing and the creek don't rise," Obama will be the former administration. He would do well to remember that he isn't the king and his "reign" will be limited, too.

May 31
hasn't happened yet. How did Cheney have an interview on a day in the future?

DavidM from GA
Excellent post!!! Couldn't agree more with what you say.

assuming reality matters
It should be noted that Obama actually released the memos in response to a Freedom of Information Act request. And the date was driven by a court requirement rather than Cheney's bizarre pr tour.

This should not be confused with outing a CIA agent in response to a critical oped. That is truly petty and vindictive. Respecting the idea that Americans should know how their government works is actually a reasonable principle.

Also it should be noted that Blair's comment was that the damage done by the torture program far outweighed any information obtained by it. It is rather odd to describe that as a statement of support.

Lon
You need to do some reading.

Geneva conventions say interrogations with no physical pain is NOT torture. Waterboarding does not cause physical pain-oh yeah we do it to our own soldiers as part of training.

There were no NAZIs executed for waterboarding.

When KSM is killing Americans whilst NOT in the uniform of an established nation he can be EXECUTED as soon as he is caught. Pouring water on his face is much better than death.

Verses
The bible verse quoted is actually Romans 12:19, not 2:19. But why nitpick? Romans 2:19 also describes Obama. It's about arrogance.

Why?
Why are our interogation methods, which have saved lives, being revealed for all the world, but documents proving Obama's eligibility to be President aren't?

DavidM
Don't try discussing truth with Lon. His serious Kool-aid habit has made him a total lib apologist. His arguments, like the Nazi reference he made, are based on his belief in the ignorance of others. He obviously hasn't breathed a free-thinking breath in his life.

O proved thin skinned and petulant
during the campaign, so why shouldn't he be small-minded and back-biting while a pres.?

O's never done anything except be lauded and prepared for his great pol. achievement. He's never led a Cub Scout troop or taught Sunday school, has never run a Taco Bell as an assistant manager, and has never invested in anything except himself.

O is a narcissist who does not take well to criticism of any kind. He threw reporters off his campaign planes and threatened others with lack of access if they didn't fall into the Dem. progressive line.

I just hope when the a-bomb goess off, it's in Chicago and not near me in NYC.

Baradiel, right on. Where are the birth certificate and college records and why can't our vaunted MSM find them as they could find Joe the Plumber's motor vehicle history within 24 hours?

Negotiations and Interrogations
There is not much difference. In the early 70s the govt decided to integrate students in the schools. I was sent across town to another jr high. It was there that I was educated about negotiation. There was a group of boys that negotiated with me over my lunch money. They wanted my lunch money and in return they would not beat me up. Even though I resisted , I was out numbered , they got my money. I pleaded with them to no avail. I soon learned you cannot negotiate without strength or power. Why would they listen? They didn't until I stopped walking alone and started fighting back! Not until then did they stop. You cannot negotiate from a position of weakness. It has never worked, never will. If you don't believe me, just try it with your children. If there are no consequences to their actions , they will continue with their bad behavior. Here is the sad irony: If you love them you will discipline them. Spare the rod and spoil the child. Train them in the way they should go and they will not depart from it. Reward them when they are good (don't forget) and punish them when they are bad , not because you hate them , it is because you love them.
Now interrogation of enemy combatants is no different if there is no consequences why would bother telling the truth or give any useful information? Please understand that I am not advocating beating your children or maiming terrorist, criminal suspects , but if there are no consequences then there will be no change in behavior or extraction of useful info. It is because of LOVE not hate!

Hilarious
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, "Vengeance is mine; I will repay," saith the Lord.

Hey all you leftist genuises,

what do you think we should do with Obama if it is proven that he is a naturalized citizen or and illegal immigrant?

False Premise
We must not forget--there is no higher authority than zerObama. Ask him; he'll be glad to tell you he won.

Good man.
I'm liking Obama these days. Let's all get behind him on going after those upper-echelon cowards who authorized and/or endorsed the use of torture.

Obama is not alone
Les Rose of the Church Of Christ in Houston Texas is a Obama man that works to destroy any man that is not a bleeding heart liberal. He support illegal aliens and gay coalitions alike. He actively attacks drug free, deviant free, disease free, debt free, universal blood donors for his personal glory. The problem with the Obama nation is that Clinton presidential order prohibiting any one a government lable gay as being disqualified from ever being a blood donor. Liberals are policemen and preachers disqualifing anyone they choose because of their own bias. As a christian I understand the wrath of God awaits them and their places of worship for continually allowing such prejudice acts against the will of God. All it takes is a trip to yesterday Church of Christ when preachers practiced segregation from their pulpits. Remember their were US Senators that were black but they republicans democrats do not like that then either.

Lon
Assuming that reality matters, the CIA agent that you claim was outed was not a covert agent, particularly since she and her husband were all over the pages of Vanity Fair before the supposed leak...which was provided by a State Dept. official who shared the same sentiments as said husband and CIA official.

Of course, why confuse a leftist with the truth.

Vengeance or Justice
So, every time a criminal is tried in a court of law and the jury finds against him and the judge announces a sentence, this is vengeance? Whose, exactly? What Obama has said is that he will leave the torture matter in the hands of the legal system. In a democracy, that's exactly what is supposed to happen.

RACIAL PROFILING IN NAME OF OBAMA
ANY CONSERVATIVE MINORITY HAVE EXPERIENCED DISCRIMINATION BY AFRICAN AMERICAN PREACHERS THAT SUPPORT BARRACK OBAMA. THE LIKES OF LES ROSE, RUDR RASMUS, RALPH WHITE, RALPH DOUGLAS WEST, CHARLES E. PERRY AND OTHERS ALONG WITH THEIR LIBERAL WHITE RELIGIOUS FRIENDS HAVE VOTED THEMSELVES THE AUTHORITY TO DESTROY THE LIVES OF ALL CONSERVATIVES. I HAPPEN TO BE AN UNIVERSAL BLOOD DONOR, GOOGLE IT TO SEE WHAT HAPPEN TO MY BLOOD AFTER USE TO BE ABLE TO DONATE IT. THE MOST SENSITIVE CASES IN THE WORLD CAN ONLY ACCEPT BLOOD FROM UNIVERSAL BLOOD DONORS. I DID NOT GIVE MYSELF THIS LABLE AND IT WAS A REQUEST OUT THIS COUNTRY THAT REALLY ALERTED ME TO THE RESPONSIBILTY IT TOOK TO MAINTAIN BEING A UNIVERSAL BLOOD DONOR, NO DRUG RESIDUE NOT EVEN FROM ASPRIN OR OVER THRE COUNTER MEDICATION. ALONG WITH ROAD RACING FOR 15 YEARS I WAS PRETTY HEALTHY. PRESIDENT CLINTON WROTE AN ORDER THAT ANY CIVL SERVANT CAN HAVE ANY PERSON REMOVED FROM THE ROLLS OF ELIGIBLE BLOOD DONORS. OFFICER DELLA OF THE HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO WORKED FOR THE BREAD OF LIFE AT SAME TIME I WAS THERE CALLED ME GAY ALONG WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT.I HAVE RESPECT FOR THE FLAG, I LOVE THIS COUNTRY, I HAVE RESPECT FOR POLICE, AND APPRECIATE THEIR JOBS. RELIGIOUS HATE MONGERS THOUGH I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO HIDE BEHIND THE PULPIT. RUDY RASMUS, RALPH DOUGLAS WEST, RALPH WHITE, LES ROSE, AND OTHERS ENJOY YOUR LIFE IN THE OBAMANATION I PRAY THAT YOUR CHILD OR NO CHILD IN YOUR CONGREGATION DO NOT LOSE THEIR LIVES BEHIND THEIR NOT BEING ENOUGH BLOOD BECAUSE RELIGIOUS BIAS, POLITICAL PREJUDICE AND RACIAL PROFILING FROM YOUR PULPIT.

lilly
"In a democracy, that's exactly what is supposed to happen."

Your post shows you are in Illinois. Illinois is in the US. The US is NOT a democracy. Our founders feared the tyranny of the majority.

BTW, Hillary chimed in that Cheney is not a credible source. This from someone who claimed to be attacked by snipers when, in reality, she was being approached by a small girl with a bouquet of flowers.

Baradiel-LA
WHY? re: to disclosure of interrogation methods/refusal to present Proof of Birth (paraphrased) is a very valid Point..as a Military Retiree (25+ yrs) I find it absolutely
incredible that so many people who have grown up in America find this such a TERRIBLE place to live..I hope all these "Terrorists" turn out to be the "warm, cuddly" folks the uninitiated think they are!! Want to bet on that?? CHEERS

amazing
Not one reference to torture on TH!

Ain't America great? If we don't like it, we don't talk about it. Then it doesn't exist.

Yeah Crowhaul
You do that. I wish one of you libs got to experience real torture so you could speak accurately. If you did I'm sure a little sleep deprivation or getting water poured on your face would be seen in a different light.

The Man Who Would Be King
We have seen enough to realize that Obama is just a tool who marches to the steps of the vicious and murderous far left in his Party. If he opens this can of worms in which the Bush Administration used every method available to ensure security in the USA--and succeeded in preventing any more "man-caused disasters"--he will be destroying his administration. Mark Levin promises to bring every weapon at his disposal to defend these warriors and he will be supported by millions of us.

The irony is just mind-blowing: Here's a man who wants to protect would-be terrorists from so-called torture yet approves the killing of babies who manage to escape the abortionist's knife!

The message is clear: If you are a terrorist we'll defend your rights to the death but if you are an unwanted baby--God Help You!

DavidM
I am not giving my opinion on what is or is not torture. You may be correct in stating that no nazis were executed for waterboarding prisoners during WWII. However, the fact is many Japanese military personel WERE tried, convicted and executed for torturing prisoners. One of the methods of torture they were executed for was waterboarding. Again, I am not expressing any opinion. Just stating facts.

Drum Roll, Please...
Ladies and Gentlemen, please give a hand for the illegal immigrant who got elected via application of neuro linguisitc programming, illegal campaign donations and sheer audacity.

Bring 'em On
Playing politics with National Security? I hope they have these investigations. It will backfire in the face of the spineless democrats. Do any of you supporters of this administration really think that congress didn't know about all those policies? Are you really that dumb? I guess if you can vote for the likes of Reid, Dodd, Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton, etc. then you probably are that dumb.

Michelle Obama
On the day that you will expect to be crowned as Queen of America, you will find yourself strapped to a table with somebody carving out your insides. If you are lucky, you will be sedated, but that isn’t guaranteed. You will next get to listen to the screams, as the same thing is done to your daughters. You will find all your and your daughters’ expensive designer dresses replaced with the black rags of the Taliban. Remember, Mooslims consider females lower than farm animals in the hierarchy.

Each of Dumbo’s three new wives will be younger than the previous one. As the first wife, you would expect to have the dominant position over the others, but, as the wife who didn’t have a son to carry on the tradition of carving out girls, you will be in last place as the Old and Barren Wife.

You won’t be allowed to speak to Dumbo and any other males without prior permission. You won’t be allowed to leave the house without a male escort, possibly Dumbo’s brother who now lives in a shed in Kenya on $12 a year. Dumbo might bring him over and generously double his income (to $24 a year and a room) to be your escort.

Do you remember the trip to England? The people there liked you better than dumbo? That’s why you were kept in the background in subsequent trips.

Start planning your escape now. Select a country without a Mooslim population and without a forced-return treaty. Send every cent there that you can, putting it into a secret account. Get multiple passports for each of you and your daughters, showing different names, appearances, and sexes, and always have your passports hidden on your person. Get yourself and your daughters each a large shoulder bag, in which you can keep some personal items to take along, that you can use as a purse.

indyconantidim
If any of them experienced real Mooslim torture, they would sleep the sleep of the dead, literally.

Japanese torturers used many such painful techniques as yanking the fingernails of the victim. That is why they were punished.

I think so too...
...I think that believing that one exerpt from scripture is what is keeping me sane through all this..I've seen it come to pass on too many occasions..and there's no reason to think that it wouldn't happen in this case somehow...Obama has already gone too far..

Small, Vengeful
And partisan on everything else
too.

IrishMensa
The people in a position to know about Plame's status say otherwise. But I suppose you might be right too. After all, why should the people who know what they are talking have their opinions more respected than the people making stuff up.

Hate America
Politics, as usual.

America bad, terrorists good.

David M
A simple google search gets the following from the Geneva COnvention

"Article 1
For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person"

That is pretty much the opposite of what you said it said. Apparently in doing my reading I am not supposed to read true stuff, but am supposed to read made up stuff like you wrote?

I take it your other claims are meant to be taken as seriously as your false claim about the Geneva Conventions?

Just Beginning
the left will not stop their witch hunt after they kill members of the last administration. They are going to follow-up by killing clergy, capitalist, counter revolutionaries, rightist, rich, and landlords. This is how they have always operated.

Rich
I am going to say to you, what I have said to many "Defendants"; You put yourself in Jeopardy and the State Loves to Play! When you commit an "Illegal Act", you must be prepared for the consequences. If you believe in the American system of Law and Order,then Justice is available. Trying to influence the public, by casting "Criminal Acts" in new "Text" is "Insulting". The President should follow the "Law" and then if suitable, issue "Pardons". But to just "Gloss Over" this set of circumstances, would be like writing Japanese history?

Petty Dictator
#44 is behaving like a petty dictator in a Banana Republic.

Chilling effect ... mission accomplished
Obama has created a great deal of uncertainty. It is quite possible that this is what he wants to do. Even if he never prosecutes a member of the Bush administration, he will have them worrying for at least the next 4 years.

This is too bad for the Bush people, and it will have the tendency to prevent any but the boldest to speak out against "the One". Certainly if I were a mid management ex - Bushie, now back in the private sector, and was considering the cost of defending myself against a government prosecution which would cost millions, I would hesitate to say anything. Who is going to speak out and say "I was in the room when we briefed Congressional Republicans and Democrats about the interrogation techniques?" Not someone who just wants to get on with their life after several years of government service.

Of greater concern -- if I were a CIA operative, I would be very reluctant to do anything which might be investigated at some later point in time.

Above your pay scale
Surely vengeance too must be "above his pay scale"? Most everything else is.

He's been anti-American from the start..
Want proof? He sat and soaked up the hate-filled vitriol from Rev. Wright as he ranted and raved against America for 20 years. You don't listen to that kind sickening garbage and not have it rub off on you.

His reason for becoming president was not his love of country and a desire to serve it. It was a power grab just like the one he employed to get elected to his seat in the Senate in Illinois.

It was his way to pay back for all the grievances his pastor had enumerated for 20 years.

His wife said she had never been proud of this country her whole lifetime. Right. A lifetime listening to Wright's harangues. And now these two are sitting in the White House. Makes me want to leave the country. I don't know if I can stand four years of this administration.

Manchurian Canditate???
So, should we hold Barackiel responsible for homeland security lying and slandering decent Americans????
This insanity came from Obama's mind... Remember his tirade about small town foks who cling to guns and Bibles..oppose immigration, etc..This parallels the homeland security assessment...
It would be wise to listen closely to Obama's words..He thinks way ahead of the masses but he reveals his true self at times.. For instance the video where he said with a smile he would CRUSH all who oppose him..
The really worrisome video is where he promised revolution by ballots.. Personally I think the staged release of the homeland security assessment was to fuel revolution...

I also think his reversal about prosecuting those involved in so called torture was so he can point backward and say "I was against prosecuting" while satisfying those on the left with prosecuations stemming from the A.G. Yeah right ..THEY ALL HAVE ONE MIND..Obamageddon's.....He is cunning...

If we are attacked again,
obama will own that attack. People will wish Pres. Bush were back. O. has also demoralized the CIA.

Bybbye Admiral!
It won`t be long now before Admiral Blair will be resigning " to pursue other interests!" Bambi

ByeBye Admiral!
It won`t be long now before Admiral Blair resigns "to pursue other interests!" Bambi don`t brooke no stuff lie disagreeing with him. Biden would be gone now if he wasn`t elected. His loose-cannon mouth is barely tolerated. By the way, where is he? haven`t heard much from him lately . The Bambis, one and all had better remember that what goes around , comes around and the next congressional and senate elections my change the power balance enough to worry the dems. God help America.

The Dictator of the U.S.A.
There will not be any more HONEST Elections in this Country. The Democratic Peoples Communist Party of the U.S.A. has Perfected the art of FIXING elections. They will further hone this art, when they Gerry-mander the Congressional Districts, to favor Dems,. They will do this by using the ACORN Network of Commie Community Organizers, to RIG the Census. Control of both Houses of Congress will enable Obama to abolish TERM LIMITS, like FDR, his hero. He then will be President for LIFE. ENJOY!!!!!

The unAmerican President
How could America have voted for a man who preached that 230 years of entrepeneurial spirit was wrong. That the majority of Americans believed the change we want is turning our country upside down because the wife of our president can only became proud of her country after her husband won the election. I guess that a country founded on religious freedom and opposing oppression and tyranny wasn't quite enough. We have had our problems but unlike the rest of the world we have been able to progress without dictatorships(until maybe now) or armed insurrection in the streets. Even the Civil War was fought for the preservation of freedom and human rights.
I thought such pettiness that the current administration is exhibiting was only the provence of European royalty and South Amercian dictators. But then again that seems to be who Obama wants to emulate and turn America into.

Generally ...
When a political party comes into power it does not try to punish those who were before it for any wrongdoings they feel those people made. The main reason is that they realize that sooner or later those people will be back in office and the roles would be reversed. How can decisions be made if you know that someone will want to punish you for those decisions - even if the decisions are right at the time?

But now it seems as if the Democrats are certain that they will be the only ones in office from now on. They want to punish people from the previous administration for things that weren't against the law at the time. Further, they are listing all those who might be associated with the Republican Party as "extremists" who should be watched and if necessary arrested and punished for disagreeing with them.

That sounds more like the Communist Party in the USSR than it does anything else I've heard about. Do you REALLY want that here?

LET "BYGONES BE BYGONES"?

RICH GALEN writes, "The White House would do well to heed the caution in Romans and leave the vengeance to a higher power."

That seems to have been the course which Pres. Bush, following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, at first disregarded, then appeared to embrace.

Post-9/11, Mr. Bush repeatedly vowed to wreak vengeance ("dead or alive") upon Osama bin Laden, the mass murderer universally regarded as the force behind the catastrophic attacks which accounted for 3,000 deaths on our soil.

Six months later, however, in March 2002 Pres. Bush had a change of heart and decided to embrace the Romans philosophy when he declared that he was no longer concerned with bin Laden.

And so bin Laden, grateful that he was no longer the target of "vengeance," SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS AFTER 9/11, continues to show his appreciation by surfacing periodically and threatening to annihilate the United States.

"Vengeance is mine saith the Lord" is one philosophy to pursue. But there are times when it's more beneficial to adhere to the one that goes, "God helps those who help themselves."

Lon
If you believe that outing a c.i.a. agent is a crime then you should ask,why wasn't John Kerry arrested as he outed an agent on the floor of the senate,and Patrick Leahy leaked sensitive material.Oh wait I forgot dems are not to be punished for breaking the law.

This is a clear message to the
CIA, NSA and various internal organizations: Toe our line or we will use the full force of the fed against you. WHEN, (Not IF) a terrorist attack occurs on our soil there will be plenty of plausable deniability for BW and his slobber-ons, and Clintoon and Napoleontano (spelled that way deliberately) will be able to point to "intelligence failures" - after all, isn't Jamie Gorelick back in the saddle?

When the next terrorist cell strikes, I hope every congresstute up to and including the liar-in-chief are tarred and feathered and run out of the COUNTRY.

I'm t;hinking...
Maybe one day, the mighty power up there will say, "Enough of this pretend Messiah", and all the modern technology of AirForce1 to even fly itself will be no match and will fall down to earth faster than the maximum speed.
America is sinking morally. We will all get punished one day.

Why quote the Holy Scriptures?
To those of Christ:

I don't understand why one who is so concerned with the world is using the Scriptures of God to expose it for what it is? In James and the speakings of Jesus Christ.... God's people are reminded that we are in the world but not of it. To be a friend of the world is to be an enemy of God. Why? Because the world is evil because of its nature of which is manifested in its acts. The Scriptures of God was given to His people (not the world) so that we may carry out His will (practically, not just spiritually) to bring in His Kingdom; not to build up another kingdom. The question to you is.... who's kingdom are you building? Discern if any countries recognized by man are of the world or of God. To those who have an ear, let them hear.

Grace and peace in Christ Jesus who is King of kings and Lord of lords.

The grinding wheels of justice
He would do well to understand that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Any precedent he establishes now can be used against HIM in the future.

Jennie
You're welcome to leave the US at any time. This isn't the Soviet Union, which routinely denied passports to its citizens.

But something tells me that you're just like those Hollywood celebrities who threatened to leave if Bush got elected... empty words, but in your case, without the celebrity.


Commenting on anything...
that Obama says is a crap-shoot. He changes his mind every other day. Of course, what more could we expect from a puppet president. Someone pulls the strings, and Obama’s arms flail up and down.

The Republican party needs to understand that we no longer live in the United States of America. We live in the Divided States of Conservatives and Liberals. Restraint on the part of Republicans when they are in office just sets them up for the kill later.

Republicans did not do what they should have done when they were in power. They should have pulled out all the stops from day one and done everything possible to set up road blocks to the Democrat agenda to ensure a freer and more competitive USA, but they didn’t do it.

Republicans didn’t open up all the secret files from the previous administration to embarrass Democrats, they didn’t bring lawsuits against officials of Democratic administrations, they didn’t overturn legislation and congressional acts supported by previous Democratic administrations all because the Republicans want to come across as the party of class. When Republican presidents come into power, they don’t denigrate and smear previous Democratic presidents or their administrations.

Their foolishness in refusing to play dirty is now causing the total demise of our country. I pray to God they wake up and realize what is going on.

Toture is a crime
Folks,torture is not a political issue. It is a matter of right or wrong. The United States is a signitory of two different international treaties that list waterboarding specifically as torture. The constitution specifically states that treaties become the highest law in the land. (Look it up) After Japan's defeat in WW2,Japanese who had waterboarded Allied servicemen were sentenced to hard labor in prison(Look it up)American servicemen in Vietnam who waterboarded prisoners were disiplined for such torture.(look it up). Now. We are a nation of laws not men. If this nation ignores laws that have been inacted to keep US a humane society,then there is no longer a nation to defend.If we allow torture to go unpunished and allow it as a form of information gathering, then by that logic any citizen of the united states can be tortured at any county jail anywhere in this nation.Is that a nation you want to defend?If so,GOD help you.

I don't care, David
If someone knew my children or anyone in my family was going to be killed and they knew who was going to do it and would not tell me, believe me I would do everything I could think to do to that person to make him tell me. If you would not torture someone to save your children's lives then I sincerely hope you do not have any.

Now maybe we know why
The left did not understand the tea parties. Reading these posts I believe even more that there is an unrest in this country they don't get, that many believe a very bad mistake was made on election day and now something has to be done about it. The July 4th tea parties are going to be even larger and the people are going to be angrier. If this is what Obama wants then he is going to get it. He serves us, we do not serve him. And Republican, you aren't off the hook either.

a threat
We appear to have someone who is threatening posters here on Townhall and his name is "killer." I hope the townhall people will track this person down and have him arrested because this should not be allowed. This is a place where free speech should reign and to have someone threaten one of us because they do not like what is written, then they should leave or be hunted down by the townhall people.

Ron
You are one sick puppy. Maybe killer was right. I just read your ugly post. What kind of sick mind could write this stuff? I don't like anything about the Obamas except that they have darling children, but to write something like that, well I hope the Townhall people find out who you are also.

Obama's Narcissitic Personality
This is a lift from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual used by mental health professionals. The standard is five or more traits for a confirming diagnosis, but extreme cases meet all or virtually all criteria. Know any extreme cases?

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

has a grandiose sense of self-importance

is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited
success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

believes that he or she is "special"

requires excessive admiration

has a sense of entitlement

is interpersonally exploitative

lacks empathy

is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her

shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

The narcissistic personality is a dangerous creature when in a powerfu political position.

Vengeanceomatic
It is an axiomatic truth that Democrats have a thirst for vengeance that is unsurpassed by any other group except perhaps Muslims.

Of course, the persecution of Bush – era patriots will continue for years in spite of the evidence that American lives were saved by them because they used harsh interrogation techniques.

http://townhall.com/columnists/TerryJeffrey/2009/04/22/cia_ waterboarding_produced_intel_that_stopped_attack_on_los_ang eles?page=full&comments=true

The Democrats say that human rights were violated in the process of extracting this information. Do any of you live in Los Angeles? If you do, would it had been better to have let the 911 – style attack proceed? Of course, you may deny the truthfulness of the memos which claim that such critical information was extracted, and that there was any plot at all… But the same sources produced the memos which are the catalyst for the coming persecution of the hated Bushies. Can you deny one and embrace the other? Democrats can, but I cannot.


On Obama...
Look here. He is not an American. Not by any definitive operational characteristics which have defined Americans for the last 233 years.

He hates The United States of America. He has already put us into such deep debt that it is unlikely that it can be repaid over the next 233 years. He hates the freedom of enterprise, and the rewards of work, and acts on it repeatedly.

He has lied about most things except for his promises to stifle advanced weapons development and cut the Military budget. God help our galant Military members.

Speaking of the Military... When Democrats say they love our Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen they love them like Annie Wilkes loved Paul Sheldon in Misery.

Obama's actions so far have redefined the United States in the eyes of the World as a laughing stock... a weak and nearly bankrupt country without the backbone or the resources to stand up to a serious thrust. This latest dialog about persecuting (not prosecuting) Conservatives is high entertainment to the rest of the World.

Obama and his cronies, who's collective noses are so far up his behind that if he fails to signal a turn they will surely break their necks, are hell bent on destroying any semblance of the county enviisoned by the Founders.

Obama is NOT an American. He is the most effective enemy that The United States has ever had.

The Constitution of the United States
Article II; Section 4:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high crimes and Misdemeaners.
"High" means "against the state" in 18th century parlance.
"A high crime is one which seeks the overthrow of the country, which gives aid or comfort to its enemies, or which injures the country to the profit of an individual or group...it also includes crimes which attempt to alter the outcome of elections." (Acorn anyone?)

Do any of these words/actions sound familiar to anyone paying attention today?

BIG Difference
In Vengeance and Self Defense.

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