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Monday, February 25, 2008
Rich Galen :: Townhall.com Columnist
Ralph Nader and Alan Keyes
by Rich Galen
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Friday night I spoke at the Galveston County, Texas Lincoln Day Dinner.

It was a great event. Maybe 300 people came on a Friday night to chat with each other, greet candidates, bid on tshatshkes placed on tables against the back wall which no one really wants or needs to help raise money for their county party, and listen to a speech.

Or, in the case of the Galveston County GOP, speeches.

I was the after dinner speaker, but the chairman of the event called about a week ago to tell me that Alan Keyes had asked to speak and he would be speaking for five minutes before dinner.

I said Alan Keyes has never spoken for five minutes in his life. Keyes spends more than five minutes talking to the guy at a toll booth.

Sure enough, Keyes went into a full 20-minute exhortation as to why the audience should not support John McCain for President nor Mike Huckabee, nor Ron Paul (who was, uncomfortably, sitting at a table in the front row but was not asked to speak).

Alan Keyes, as you may remember, participated in that dreadful debate in Iowa run by the Des Moines Register and Iowa Public Broadcasting. Other than that, he has not been as much a participant in this campaign as Duncan Hunter. Or Mike Gravel.

I didn't care that Alan Keyes spoke. What I did care about was that he spoke at a county Lincoln Day Dinner and, in effect, told Republicans to stay home rather than vote for John McCain.

This was not the Conservative Political Action Conference, where you can assume a significant portion of the audience were not registered Republicans.

This was a REPUBLICAN Lincoln Day Dinner.

So, naturally, when I got up to give my remarks I asked how many people had served in public office, run for public office or worked on the campaign of someone who was running.

As you might expect a huge percentage of the hands in the room went up because the people in the room are the Republicans who pay good money and give up their Friday night to make their county party stronger.

I told them the story of my having lost my first campaign for City Councilman in Marietta, Ohio 45750 by two votes.

I asked them to think about how many candidates across the country for everything from US Senate to School Board might lose by a handful of votes if they followed Alan Keyes' advice and stayed home because McCain doesn't meet his standards of perfection.

I reminded them that this is a 50-50 country and it was very likely that the Presidential election was going to come down to one or two states just has it has for the past two elections.

I bring this up because the Democrats, who in spite of if all, are not at all certain they can win the election for President in November, got the news that Ralph Nader was going to run for President again.

No one believes Nader is going to be President, but a lot of Democrats believe he can siphon off enough votes from either Hillary supporters if Barack becomes the nominee, or from Barack supporters if Hillary finds a way out of the delegate hole she's dug for herself.

Democrats used the environment as on of their central, unifying themes in the elections of 2006. Want to clean up the Earth? Vote Democrat.

The polls taken over the past two weeks show John McCain beating Hillary Clinton in the general election head-to-head matchup by an average (according to RealClearPolitics.com) of 4.5 percentage points.

Those same polls show Barack Obama beating John McCain by exactly the same margin - 4.5 percentage points.

In the election of 2000, Ralph Nader got 2.7% of the vote. And that was with Mr. Enviromentalism - Al Gore - on the ballot.

Nader may well prove to be the way the supporters of whichever Democratic candidate loses the nomination show their displeasure with the Democratic Party while still supporting the issue nearest and dearest - the environment.

This election is going to come down to whether the Republicans or the Democrats do a better job of keeping their supporters' eyes on the goal and avoid internecine distractions.

Here's my dream ticket: Ralph Nader and Alan Keyes. They'd never leave the toll booth.

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Rich Galen has been a press secretary to Dan Quayle and Newt Gingrich. Rich Galen currently works as a journalist and writes at Mullings.com

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Lack of critical thinking skills
The liberal educational community has argued for years that it doesn't teach for facts or knowledge anymore because it is busy teaching critical thinking skills.
Keyes, a bright man, seems to have validated the liberal march to nothingness in telling Reps. not to vote.
On another thread yesterday, I wrote a blogger that if he/she didn't vote, he should shut up for the eight years of a Dem. administration.
He wrote in reply that he was going to vote for some third party candidate (Nader?), and then he could still criticize politically for the next unknown number of years.
What exquisite thinking!
"I'll sit out and throw my vote away, but that will give me the validation to criticize everyone" because I was too obtuse to cast a ballot that might actually elect someone?
Cons., or people who call themselves such, and brag about it,certainly cast aspersions on themselves and real conservatives with such reasoning.
I want to remind everyone that all were not crazy about Reagan in 1980. Then it was that Reagan wasn't Goldwater, and Reagan had been a Dem., so he wasn't a pure conservative, and maybe he would turn around and be a liberal once elected--altho' his hist. as gov. of CA would have seemed to belie that belief that as pres., Reagan would suddenly deny his conservative credentials and reverse his campagin plank.
Cons. who natter about McCain's impurities are cut of the same cloth.
They evidently can never find anyone who suits their ivory-towered expectations except candidates like Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul who would never--even in an alternative universe--win an Am. national election.

First of all, Mr. Galen
This is not a 50/50 country except in the eyes of the DEM/GOP/MSM elites who still run the country but do not have the hearts and minds of the people on their side. Added to that fact is that Nader could just as conceivably take independent votes from McCain as he could from the Democrat's candidate. The 2008 outcome is not yet clear in any way.

Your arrogance in thinking that everyone is once again going to go along with another lesser of two evils is typical of elite belief in the ultimate power of the two major parties. Even though it is a high probability that one of the two parties will again gain the Presidency, the end of the reign of these two corrupt parties is in sight. It might take another two election cycles to get it done, but the GOP is well on its way out and hopefully we can do the same to the Democrats.

For those interested in seeing how the elites of both parties have scammed the American people in order to keep power in their hands, please visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. It is time for us to reclaim the inheritance that the elites have stolen from us. Check out the site, you will not be disappointed. Thanks, Joe

Don't forget everyone
Its very important to vote for the lesser of evils then it is a thrid party candidate that you agree with. After all, if a large scale election came down to ne vote, I'm sure the court wouldn't rule in favor of the most politically connected candidate or anything like that.

Sure, you can be a principled voter, but what is more important is that you say "Yay, my team won!"

''Just win, baby''
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When the object of electoral victory is - first to last - nothing more than the power to porkslurp, the two (supposedly) contending "mainstream" political parties have become conjoint enemies of society and deserve nothing from the voting public but hatred and destruction.

Mr. Galen, you've got that despicable attitude as badly as does any other career porkslurper, and to hell with you.




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"What is any political campaign save a concerted effort to turn out a set of politicians who are admittedly bad and put in a set who are thought to be better? The former assumption, I believe is always sound; the latter is just as certainly false. For if experience teaches us anything at all it teaches us this: that a good politician, under democracy, is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar."

-- H.L. Mencken

Keyes
Another hack Keyes is. Something that will run for any office anywhere. If you want a joker Keyes is your man. Everyone knows who Keyes is going to vote for (Himself as President) for he sees all others as not worthy of being elected to any office that he could run for. You have a hard time taking Keyes to seriously since he carries a Bible in his vest pocket he does carry a flask in pants pocket.
One has to meet the guy to be turn off. I wonder what it will take for him to become a Democrate. As someone said if you do not vote for our Rep. party leaders then you vote against our Rep. party.

Here we go again
The GOP stooges can't stand prosperity, we have had a continuous attack from our side since McCain got out of his coffin and resurrected his campaign. And because the base is still furious with the party hacks and elites for throwing the
majority away the last 8 years, and refused to
validate it in 06, they think we should just sit back and take whatever loser has one the bidding in the auction. In other words, the fix was in and we were to behave like good little boys and girls and listen to our betters. I believe these constant attacks are because they know they messed up (like all libs won't take responsibility) and are blaming us. And they are scared silly they will lose, and if they lose
there goes the gravy train, so many jobs, so many percs, so many lobbyists so many bribes,
alas and alack.
I'd vote for Alan Keyes in a heartbeat. That would be a sight to see, Alan vs. B. Hussein..
the kid wouldn't know what hit him in a national campaign vs. what passed for a campaign in Illinois.

Sorry Rich
I am sick of this game played by the GOP every four years. McCain has made it clear in the past he doesn't want my kind in the party. The tent is not THAT big. I'm with Keys on this one.

Conservative surrealism
The responses here are a great example of how talk-show hosts like Limbaugh, Levin, etc. have poisoned the well of their party so much that McCain will probably lose to someone to the left of Jimmy Carter with even more disastrous consequences for the country. Way to go, principled conservatives.

Keyes, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, and Coulter have never run anything in their lives but their mouths.

Points
For the most part your points can be well taken. I was however somewhat disappointed that you are still framing this in terms of some Republicans not voting for McCain just "....because McCain doesn't meet his standards of perfection." Mr. Galen, if the party brass keeps insisting on seeing it this way it isn't going to help the GOP a whole lot. There are a lot of us who have voted for Republican candidates down through the years. And we did not vote for a single one of those thinking that he was "perfect." We have swallowed a lot of elections that way. I voted for GWB twice; was he perfect? ...Uh...well...uh...not quite. I'm afraid that with many conservatives the issue with McCain is not that of his just not being quite perfect. Whether we should or shouldn't vote for McCain in this election is a valid issue each of us will have to decide. But let's please stop denigrating those opposed to him as though they were picking at the poor guy just because he isn't quite perfect.

Big Mick ona Street ATT RENNY
GOD I hate being treated like an IDIOT!!
You and Richie Rich Galen can STUFF it! NOT voting for The McChurian Candidatae is NOT the same as NOT voting for ANY other CANDIDATE!
What kind of moronic FALSE DILEMMA are you McInski's PUSHING here!!??

And I am OUTRAGED that even RICHIE RICH ADMITS Keye's SAID "NOT SUPPORT" McAin't--NOT "stay home"! NOT "don't try to elect other conservatives"! Even Richie damnRich says "in effect"--IT'S A DAMN LIE, RENNY, DIDN'T YOU READ THE DAMNN THING! DON'T YOU GET IT!!!!!!!!!

I have listed every damn one of these pisz poor McScuses for McBeech Flying Fig Leaves these McHos-ers have come up with. Click on the underlined name, see my blog.

EVERY WORD out of RichRich's party hack mouth shows he is just another "inside the belt" and YEAH I MEANT it that way! Gilt Bird Cabin GOPper.

As I COGENTLY point out in my blog, McAin't is Socialism Lite, the McSame damn "follow the moderate" road Richie Rich and his ilk have been herding us down since Reagan Left office to the very BRINk of Socialism. I'm voting for Hillybama's Socialism Straight and hoping America Chokes and hurls!

mick

PS
If Richie Rich was a genuine Real Reagan Conservative in any sense he would have said: "GIVE Allan Keye's MY SLOT!"
Egotistical inside the belt Establishment Machine Party Boss (EMPB) McShill!

mick

Perfect Candidate!
I agree with Mel, we can not find a perfect candidate. There is quite a lot we can find to like and admire about Senator McCain if we would look for ourselves and stop listening to dissatisfied pundits. We can and will tear our Republican party apart with such bashing and disrespect. I have read Senator McCain's book Faith of My Fathers. No on any occasion did he brag about himself but had many opportunities to do so. Let's find something good to say about our candidate or stay silent until after November. Each election is important and this one just may be critical. Let us band together or we will suffer consequences for many years.

NOte the way this is going people
Most of us get it and are telling Richie Rich, Renny, Cynic and "I am" to go to hell.

You guys are RIGHT! McAin't AIN't "my party". He is more of the McSame SPOUSAL ABUSE the GOP has been heaping on us since Reagan Left office! THEY are the adulterous, Mac The Knife Backstabbing Abusing bastids who have abandoned US. Way past time, and more than enough grounds for Divorce, lads. They are just going to keep on abusing us. Look at the whole Shamnesy, McFeingeld, Gang14 CRAP! As for McAin'ts "purity"--15% DOGSHEITE is STILL INEDIBLE you moronic McHos!

And YEAH I AM VOTING AGAINST the Conservative Free Gilt Bird Cabin GOP!--see my damn blog! No room for full cogent reasons here.

But know this! The Conservative Free GOP WANTS to be the next party of the next Bill Clinton!

And they KNEW McAin't WAS a loser--his VALUE is it SHUTS OUT any ANTI-Amnesty Candidate.

the big mick

KEYES
He couldnt even beat OBAMA in the ILL elections so what makes him think he could draw more votes out of the rest of America.

McCain's not our candidate
He may be yours, he's not mine.

If I insisted that you idiot McCainiacs instead vote for Nader, you'd probably rightfully tell me to pound sand; Nader just doesn't do it for you...I understand.

It's your vote, cast it as you please. Pretty simple concept. It follows that I'll cast my vote as I please. Your old and tired scare tactics are for cowards.



No No No......
do not stay home! We have to get more conservatives in at the state level and get them into the federal House and Senate. I will not, at this point, vote for McCain. I can't get over his smarmy "You OWE me" attitude. I can't get over his "I'll build the DAMN fence" statement. He has lied whenever it suited his needs and I'm suppose to believe him now? He doesn't like us plain and simple and I'll take him at his word. But, if we stay at home, the elite will continue to treat us as idiots. I say, write in a conservative, it may get their attention and maybe, just maybe it will help our cause in '12.

BigMick
I am with you brother. The author is outright lying with the use of the term "in effect". Mr. Keyes did not, apparently, tell people to stay home. He did state the McCain is not worthy of our support and he is correct about that. I will go and vote, just not for Mr. McCain. He is a politician of the lowest type and has not ever held conservative values. That used to be the definition of the GOP. Well, not any more. Vote for him and they will keep putting up liberal-lite candidates like him and Rudy. Maybe it is time for the GOP to go the way of the Whig party. Tell it like it is Irish.

Right on, Navy
I agree, do not vote for Mclame = Hillary, but do go and vote for conservatives further down the ticket on your ballots. Write in the name of a true conservative like Haley Barbour for president. This is the liberal dream year, no matter which candidate wins, the country loses.

As for those who are upset that conservatives are not voting for the GOP frontrunner, your comments only reinforce my stance to vote my consience. I am not seeking a perfect candidate (I voted for every Republican presidential candidate since I was old enough to vote beginning with Reagan), I've just reached my limit as to how far left I am willing to vote. I have changed my affiliation to independent because McCain and G.W. Bush told me I am no longer welcome in their tent. At this rate, the logical GOP candidate for President in 2012 after President Obama will be Arlen Specter. When the Republican party starts to swing back to its Federalist roots, there may be room for me and other conservatives again. I never thought I would see the day when "conservative" was a dirty word in the Republican party.

U.S. Navy Submariner '84 - '92

Protest votes = waste
McCain remains the least of 3 evils. Putting either communist in the White House to "protest" McCain is like committing suicide because you don't care for anything on a restaurant's menu.

Save your end-of-the-world rantings for after November, hold your nose and vote for McCain. Half a dope is better than none.

One question before I vote for McCain.
At the gala Lincoln Day Dinner; did any of the speakers offer up their views on the future of our sovereignty? Did they talk about the half-million square acre slab of concrete called the NAFTA Super Highway? Did they mention our nation's monetary policy? Didn't think so; and that's why I won't be voting for the GOP Presidential candidate in November. You guys, Democrats and Republicans, are going to scrap our sovereignty, our currency, and our personal freedoms anyway. I won't help you with my vote, and neither will anyone I can talk to for more than 60 seconds.


QUIT YOUR WHINNING!
Look, I don't like nor trust all of what Mccain is doing but by way of comparison I WILL NOT GIVE HILLARY NOR OBAMA A CHANCE TO SCREW US EITHER! Thebigmick! WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP! IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE CHOICE THEN DEAL WITH IT!

McCain vote = wasted vote
McCain voter = idiot
McCain = large pile of excrement
McCain election probability = zero

Keyes is Wrong

McCain took your Constitutional right from you.

You have to be a complete fool to support a person who took one of your Constitutional rights and has shown through his voting, he will take the second amendment from you if at all possible.

To vote and support a Traitor to this country makes YOU a Traitor to this country people.

Does not one of you have a spine?

How can you call yourself an American when you would vote for a Traitor and allow him the freedom and the power to continue his attack on the Constitution?

As for Keyes telling people to stay home and not vote, that is as un-American as supporting a Traitor. Voting is our most sacred right we must protect, even if it is filled with voter fraud. It must be protected with our blood if necessary.

One question before I vote for McCain.
At the gala Lincoln Day Dinner; did any of the speakers offer up their views on the future of our sovereignty? Did they talk about the half-million square acre slab of concrete called the NAFTA Super Highway? Did they mention our nation's monetary policy? Didn't think so; and that's why I won't be voting for the GOP Presidential candidate in November. You guys, Democrats and Republicans, are going to scrap our sovereignty, our currency, and our personal freedoms anyway. I won't help you with my vote, and neither will anyone I can talk to for more than 60 seconds.


It is about the country
This election is not about conservatives and whether they are worthwhile or not. Of course they are. As are the Evangelicals, and the moderates and, yes (gasp) the liberal Republicans. This election is about what will take place in the future - trillions of dollars in health care (where is that money); the safety of this country; cutting spending; right to life; and the Supreme Court. I don't like everything about McCain but that is also true of all the other candidates. Huck is just plain scary to me with his; "change the constitution to God's laws." That is a theocracy and we see how well that is doing around the world. In the end, there is only one choice for President. Republican and no amount of crazy will con me into not voting or voting for the deranged party. I am a Republican; I vote Republican. I will vote McCain in the primary because he is the best man for the job faults and all. It is my hope that he will be our candidate in the fall because I believe he can win.
Please take up the banner of convincing conservatives that the election is not about them or what they believe. It is about the future of this country.
Thank you for listening


Renny
Well said!!!!!

GregB - ''McCain voter = idiot''
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I dunno, Greg.

With a constituency *that* massive, the only thing standing between McCain and President-for-Life status would have to be the fact that idiots are too stupid to vote.

And the last few dozen election cycles have shown that "dumbed down" polling technologies have effectively removed the last barrier preventing the American idiot from achieving absolute supremacy.



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"The Constitution is a forthright piece of work and quite succinct - twenty-one pages (in the American Civics E-Z-reader large-type version) giving the complete operating instructions for a nation of 250 million people. The manual for a Toyota Camry, which only seats five, is four times as long."

-- P.J. O'Rourke

Sit out or vote Hillary?
Has anyone thought about the consequence of BO or HRC in the White House + 2 houses of congress in the Demoncratic party = massive demograhic changes will be coming? (illigals + gerrymandering) Not much chance to put one's hope in 2012.

legal immigrant

assymmetry
Nader is recognized as a joke by the left at this point. He is not getting 1% of the vote unless he gets them from disaffected conservatives with a sense of humor.

On the otherhand, as the comments above suggest, Keyes is speaking for a sizable portion of the conservative movement who has not been burned by the stupidity of not voting out of pique. So I think Republicans should be more worried about Keyes message than the Democrats need to be by Nader. Many dems still admire Nader for his work in the '70s so they feel sorry for him, but he is not pulling significant votes this time around any more than he did in 2004. The more interesting question is how many conservatives will actually stay home.

Keyes the Candidate
When Alan Keyes the Carpetbagger arrived from Maryland to run for Senator in Illinois, he appeared with Barack Obama at a rally on Devon Avenue, Chicago's Indian-Pakistani commercial street. The crowd hated Keyes so much and were so menacing to him that he had to retreat to his car. However, the crowd adored Obama.

Keyes is always good for a laugh. Arrived in Chicago, he rented the top floor of a derelict firetrap of a house located in a remote slum neighborhood and declared that this would henceforth be his true residence. He never moved in (what a surprise). His true residence remained his >$1 million mini-mansion in Montgomery County, Maryland, a suburb of Washington DC. That's the same house he threw his lesbian daughter out of at age 18 with no money for college.

A dream ticket for Democrats is any ticket with Alan Keyes on it.

Tee Hall
Are you aware that when Keyes ran against Obama in Illinois, Keyes got 27% of the vote and Obama got 70%?

vote
I have no great love for McCain, but I will vote for him.

Why?

Simply because I expect to see two SCOTUS justices retire during the next term. I know what the nominees of Hill/Obama will be like. There is a chance (slim?) that old John might give us sane individuals for the court.

That's all.

Click to my blog and help me out.

Who cares what the Dems do?
I'm more concerned that Republicans would even consider nominating someone who proposed this:

http://opensourceactivist.org/2008/02/06/bill-to-improve-he alth-care-in-mexico/#more-30

And I'm even more alarmed that conservatives would let the MSM media play them the way they've been played lately.

Big Mick....
...stop wasting our time with your incoherence.

NavyWave...
I didn't appreciate the "damn fence" McCain comment either; it was arrogant.
Writing in some other conservative will mean Dem doom, gloom and higher taxes for the next 4 years. For heaven's sake, life isn't perfect; accept McCain.

Alan Keyes
As posted on another thread; I believe congressional advances by conservatives are going to be more important than the presidential election, as all three major candidates look sadly alike. That being said, Alan Keyes is the smartest man -sort of in the race, and the only man -or woman- that would uphold the constitution to the letter.

It is my goal to support any conservatives running in congressional, gubernatorial and state seats; I did not say republican, I said conservative. I will not be voting for Mccain, my vote is committed to either a write in or a conservative third party presidential candidate. Staying home is not an option, neither is Obama, Clinton or Mccain.

Vote for a TRUE conservative
After all, Ron Paul is still in the race.

He will get my vote.

Not voting
is second only to treason in unpatriotic acts.

THE ONLY VOTE WASTED IS THE ONE NOT CAST!

I found my perfect candidate
within the GOP. It is a side-tent, but much larger than the main tent.

rEVOLution.

Entanglement
A tyrant, a traitor, and a tyro make sorry range of options. But if the candidates were more attractive or their differences were clearer, it would still be hard to get excited about voting. Because any ballot may be negated by a freeloader, a felon, a ghost, an illegal immigrant, an insta-citizen (Clinton pencil-whipped roughly a million just in time for them to vote in '96), or some lawyer hysterical over hanging chads, it's tempting to stay home and lower the blinds. This is a temptation to be resisted, however.

One basic flaw of pacifism, isolationism, and numerous other comforting -isms is the illusion of insularity. A quadriplegic physically unable to prevent a murder is merely a witness; an able-bodied bystander who refuses to step in is an accessory. Whereas Andorra can do nothing to stop Iranian adventurism, _everything_ the United States does, including nothing, profoundly alters the course of events. It doesn't enjoy the luxury of having no effect. How we feel about that fact is irrelevant.

The entanglement principle applies as well to American elections. An unopposed candidate who receives fewer votes than the total of write-ins has a weaker mandate than one who wins by acclamation. A losing candidate who makes an unexpectedly strong showing (e.g., Reagan in '76) can send a powerful message. A candidate whose turnout drives an opponent to blatant theft may create a backlash that prevents further illegality. We are involved, whatever we do. To boycott an election is, in effect, to endorse the eventual winner.

Abstract considerations don't often make hard choices easier. But we participate in those choices day after day, year after year, no matter how hard we try to exempt ourselves from causality. In the absence of a miracle or a tragedy, one of three troubling candidates _will_ become the 44th president of the United States. The only remaining question, then, is Which one?

I am with Keyes too........

.....to big H with McShame and other traitors of his ilk. The man has not paid his duties to us but rather to Dems and Neocons. He gets no support from this quarter.

Keyes on the other hand while not my favorite "IS " a conservative and has obviously good values. Sure, he talks like a southern black reverend but so what. Ronald Reagan liked the man, I like what he says even if my ear is unaccustomed to how he says it.

In a show down with Obama bin Hussein I will stand with Keyes just as I would with Colin Powell. I don't measure a man by his accent, education or color, but rather by his stride and convictions. Sure it is nice to have a leader who is practically identical to oneself, but so what. America is forty nine colors and shades and the only color that matters is the red, white and blue of your true colors.


onceamarine
That is so frustrating. He is the most conservative, so you will vote for him. Can he win? He has a slightly better chance than I do.

And lest you forget, the last election he lost, was to Obama who crushed him like an aluminum beer can. Tell you what: why not just stay home rather than casting a meaningless "protest vote" that, while it might make you feel better, will certainly help to assure a democrat in the white house.


I'm very sorry about Mr. Keyes
Alan Keyes was one of the most promising Republicans on the scene back in 2000. His Quixotic run for President that year produced some of the more cogent thinking we'd heard in quite a while, reminiscent of what Fred Thompson did this year, but with a little more populist feel.

Keyes is a bright and decent man, and a man wholeheartedly committed to Christ. The problem is, he's become a man wholeheartedly committed to doing things the way he imagines Jesus would do them.

In part, we have this crusade of Mr. Keyes' to thank for Barack Obama. Keyes, if you'll recall, was enlisted to run against Obama when Jack Ryan had to drop out of the Senatorial race in Illinois 3 years ago. Word was that Keyes' campaign looked more like a tent revival than a political campaign, and Mr. Smooth Obama walked over him like he wasn't there.

So I have a message for Alan Keyes. It's this:

I'm as devoted to Jesus as you, Mr. Keyes, but if I run for an office, it will be in such a manner as to win the prize. And because you're as literate a Christian as I, Mr. Keyes, you'll recognize whom I am quoting, and why.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

MIA
Where were all of you who are now pushing for McCain for the good of the party when he was going maverick and fighting lockstep with the Democrats against the Republican party? Why does he now get a free pass while conservatives are labeled as traitors, treasonous or suicidal because we believe in principals? I say screw you hippocrites. I have faith that America is strong enough to withstand Barack or Hillary. What I don't have faith in is that the Republican party can withstand McCain.

Cynic2007
Not to put too fine a point on it, but McCain is to the left of Jimmy Carter

check out Paddy's latest parody
my Blog. The Wreck of the GOP

I had some illusions about Keyes
Namely that he was a man of principle. He claimed to support the Constitution. I had believed he would, then support someone who supports the Constitution and who actually has a chance to win.

For him to write off Ron Paul with the RINO candidates is nothing short of irresponsible. I think Jesus himself must be disappointed in Alan Keyes.

dannyboy
I was a Romney backer who was upset when he threw in the towel. I will be voting for McCain. Why? Because I can list a number of key issues that he has remained unflinchingly conservative on over his career. Has he dropped the ball a bunch of times on other issues? Yes he has. But then so did Reagan, who we would probably agree was a great president.

And yet Reagan signed the 86 amnesty bill, appointed two of the worst supreme court justices in decades and cut and run after the Beirut truck bombing. What I am telling you is, even ultra conservatives...are not always ultra conservative.

As for America "Surviving a democrat presidency", I agree we can. But do you really want to live through another Carter administration, or worse? That is a dangerous game you are playing. As for thinking you are a traitor, I do not. Nor do I question your passion on the issue. But if my choices are to vote for someone who is 30 percent liberal, or 98 percent liberal, my choice is obvious.

bob
We are doomed to a repeat of the Carter years regardless of the outcome of the election. It's gonna be ugly. Any candidate who signs onto the environmental agenda will take us down the tubes. It might as well be the Dems.

Renny,you may yet have to eat your words
if the American people get sick of the steady diet of lies and scandal being fed to them by McCain, Obama, Clinton and all your "viable" candidates.

One never knows when history will turn a corner. We are voting for a man of principle, not throwing away our votes on demagogues.

The Ron Paul Revolution continues.

responding to Bob's response to Once a m
I agree that Ambassador Keyes could never win this election. But if those of us that can not vote for Senator Mccain - I do not disparage anyone that is going to vote for him, we all have our reasons for voting like we do- do have a candidate that will at least draw us to the polls, we are likely to vote for conservatives in congressional, gubernatorial and state races.

Forty conservatives in the senate can block socialist legislation, socialist judges and can shut the government down (side note, that is when government works best). Conservative governors can push conservative principals in their states and lead the people back to vote conservative in future elections, conservative state officials can legislate conservative laws and show the country that conservative legislation really works.

For these reasons, even if a vote for Keyes, Paul, Romney or me does nothing more than draw conservatives to the polls, they are not wasted votes.

Thanx for your time Bill Gunn

Exactly, Mrs Paddy

It matters not that you will or will not vote for McShame. He will lose.

The only decent vote is for anyone else or none at all. We wouldn't be having this discussion if the GOP candidate was worth spit. No amount of rationalization will make McShameful win the general election.

Only an act of God or a serious attack by the Jihad could make such an odd thing happen.

Onceamarine
don't forget vote fraud.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/74800

onceamarine
I find it absurd that anybody would think McCain could win the next election. Just looking at the raw numbers during the recent primaries should clue in everyone where the bulk of the votes are going...and it isn't GOP.

The other absurdity is that McCain is the heir-apparent. We have all been manipulated and slammed to the mat. McCain is there because he is the ripest target for the left to shoot at, and because he is the most criticized Republican (he and Specter)in the Senate. HMMMM....wonder why that is???

Could it be that this entire election process has been taken out of the hands of the voters?

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I can't see how it happened without big money and big influence putting in the 'fix.'

Dems win. We lose.

Standards of Perfection?
I've never stayed home on Election Day, nor will I do so this time: I can't understand why Alan Keyes would offer such irresponsible advice. Thus, I found myself agreeing -- in principle, at least -- with the main thrust of Mr. Galens argument. Unfortunately, however, Mr. Galen couldn't resist a "back of the hand" slap at those of us who will refuse to vote for John McCain. By using the phrase "standard of perfection," Mr. Galen implies that I and others are far too demanding and unwilling to bend even a little in order to "win." I can respond by saying to Mr. Galen that I have bent so much for the Republican Party in the last 20 years that I more closely resemble a pretzel than a man who stands tall on principle. I voted for George H. W. Bush twice, Bob Dole once, and George W. Bush twice in that span. If I had applied standards of perfection in those cases, all three men would have missed by approximately the same distance as the earth to the moon. But John McCain misses by the distance to the nearest galaxy. I will not now nor will I ever use my vote to support amnesty for illegal aliens, open borders, opposition to tax cuts, restrictions on free speech, the use of archaic rules to block the confirmation of judges on ideological grounds, or the belief in man-made global warning. Those issues apparently are mere peccadillos for Mr. Galen; they matter to me. What do you stand for, Mr. Galen?

Shameless Plug
New Parody on NYT (Grey Lady Say). My blog.

Bob Dole redux
McCain is to the 2008 race as Dole was to the 1996 race, and will get the same results. The GOP hasn't yet learned its lesson, and is about to be taken behind the woodshed.

Perhaps its time for classic conservatives from both parties, the Zell Miller conservatives and Ronald Reagan conservatives, to make a serious effort to establish a new party.

Bob Dole redux
It looks like 1996 all over again. McCain is to this election as Bob Dole was to that year's election. Neither had credentials as a classic conservative and McCain will be about as successful as Dole. I say it sadly, as a lifelong conservative and GOP voter, but it's time the party was taken to the woodshed...again.

Perhaps it's time for classic conservatives of both parties--Zell Miller conservative democrats and Ronald Reagan conservative republicans--to face up to facts, admit they have no home in either party, and make a *serious* attempt to establish a new, conservative party.


Vote for mcCain
Again:

SCOTUS

SCOTUS

SCOTUS!!!

billg64
I have to give you credit: You have made the most compelling argument I have heard on this issue. I still think casting a vote for Keys is a waste of time in and of itself, but if it gets more conservatives to the polls to vote for those in other offices, it at least has that going for it.

''For almost forty years, now...''
--
"...I've been watching the Libertarian Party try to achieve what amount to revolutionary goals by working 'within the system'. Like many of my readers, I've shivered in the rain or broiled in the sun collecting petition signatures, exhausted myself in what turned out to be comic relief campaigns, been held up to ridicule by media so putrescently corrupt they glowed in the dark like rotten fish, only to see our hopes dashed cruelly in elections rigged in several different ways against us by those who own the process.

"The only thing that makes today's Ron Paul campaign different is how openly crooked the establishment has been in opposing it. You're seeing it, too. From denying this year's only peace and freedom candidate his rightful place in the debates, to failing to count his votes — or simply giving them to another candidate — the system has proven willing to destroy itself in order to save its clients and patrons."

-- L. Neil Smith; see:
http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2008/tle457-20080224-02.html

--

Mrs Paddy
I cant agree. Even if McCain supports destructive environmental policy-and he may- I do not fear that he will jack up my taxes and dissembowel the military. Nor do I expect him to dump a national helthcare bill on us.

McCain has some leftist positions. There is no doubt about that. But anyone who claims he is little different than the alternative simply has not paid close attention.

Agree with SNAFU
I'm one (of many, I'm sure) who is tired of holding his nose and voting Republican. Have had to do this since Dole (no, I did not vote for the 'Read-my-lips' phony after he showed his colors). Each time, the candidate we are expected to carry the water for is further to the left. I'd rather see Obama win (we survived 8 years of Mr. Bill, we can do 4 of Barrak), and have Hillary complete the destruction of the DNC in 2012 when she come roaring back with claws and fangs out.

I'll still vote for those locals that are still true to the conservative philosophy, but can't vote for Mccain. Saw a story where he lamented to the effect that he should be nominated because this is his last chance, like THAT'S a qualification. Same deal with Dole, it was 'his turn'. As far as SCOTUS, what makes anyone think JM won't nominate moderate to liberals? He loves the media attention he gets when he sticks it to the right. He probably will still suck up the the MSM even after the Times' hit-piece.

As far as the comparison of JM to Ronaldus Maximus, President Reagan had the "hist. as gov. of CA would have seemed to belie that belief that as pres., Reagan would suddenly deny his conservative credentials and reverse his campagin plank". McCain's history is quite the opposite, and he does NOT have the conservative credentials that Reagan had whixh is why the Dems keep jumping primaries to force him down our throats. Who would have thought the Rep leadership would join forces with them?

Tiresome pro-Mc "arguments"
A. McCain will NOT be selecting conservatives to the SCOTUS. Anyone who thinks this does not understand the Senate Judiciary committee or the nomination process.

B. Reagan was not an "ultra-conservative". This is a straw man. He was a strong conservative with a liberal congress with which he had to deal. This is why he ended up with the SCOTUS nominees he had and why he signed the amnesty bill that he later said was one of the biggest mistakes of his administration. Claiming that because Reagan made these errors, McCain should be allowed to make the same mistakes is infantile.

C. McCain is the MORE of the three evils, not the lesser. He will preside over the destruction of the conservative movement if he gets elected. Something we should not abide. I would vote for either Dem before voting for McCain (but I won't, I'm writing in Newt). A Dem in the WH can be battled against by the GOP. A liberal Republican POTUS will run roughshod over conservative Republicans in Congress. You think we had problems with runaway liberalism under GW? You ain't seen nothin' yet.

McCain must be stopped at all costs. The future of the Republic hangs in the balance.

P.S. to Pianogirl. Stop with the "Ron Paul is the true conservative" already. Paul is somewhat conservative but to be a "true" conservative, one must be strong on all three legs of the conservative stool. As we all know, Ron Paul is extremely flacid on the issue of national security. So enough with the "true conservative" tripe. It is getting old.

Bob writes:
"McCain has some leftist positions. There is no doubt about that. But anyone who claims he is little different than the alternative simply has not paid close attention."

I suggest that it is YOU sir who have not been paying attention. To say McCain has "some" leftist positions is like saying that Hollywood produces "some" leftist movies.

How about this instead: "McCain has some right-wing positions." That would be more accurate. McCain is demonstrably a liberal who has taken some opportunistic positions that might be considered conservative. Of those, there are other interpretations that I believe are more defensible than thinking McCain has taken principled conservative stands:

McCain was a run-of-the-mill, some even say, marginal military officer. He survived a horrific POW experience and parlayed it into a political career. You think that a guy who came out of 'Nam as a hero is not going to run with the military hero schtick? He does so because it is politically expedient. The guy takes positions that are clearly based upon what will give him adulation from the MSM and his lib friends.

I ask you to look at other positions that are more obvious litmus tests related to his commitment to national security: the border, the disposition of Gitmo, and waterboarding. His positions on these indicate that he is unprincipled and therefore, unworthy of someone such as yourself saying that he is a national security conservative.

His other so-called conservative position is ostensibly fiscal. Yet we know he voted against the Bush tax cuts. He is for open borders, against energy independence, pro-destruction of the pharma industry, pro AGW and the disastrous cap and trade scheme that would add $.50 per gallon taxes to our already artificially inflated gas prices. Any you think he would be better than Obama on taxes? Tell me Bob, of the two, Obama or McCain, who coauthored the cap and trade legislation?

Beeblebrox
Fine, then vote for Obama.

Party Loyalty
Galen just does not get it. I don't vote for someone because they are Repub or Dim. I vote for someonewho reflects my constructionist/conservative political philosophy. I will write in this year, if for no other reason than at least if Obama is elected the Repubs will be more willing to stand in his way.

Beeblebrox
Oh what the heck: I will give it one more try.

Go to McCain's web site. Look at his platform.

Then go to Obama's and look at his.

Now if you can still say these men are essentially the same, nobody will change your mind.

Now if, on the other hand, you think McCain is lying about his platform, then again, I will not reach you. After all, what can I say that will prove he is telling the truth? But then, that holds true for everyone.

onegoodguy
You said that "at least if Obama is elected,the repubs will be more willing to stand in his way"

Really? What do you base that assumption on? Frankly, it is a dangerous game you are playing.

Bob,
As a youngster I was read the story of a fox in sheeps clothing. As he gets older McCains costume is starting to fray. Check his recent conservative voting record.

Bob
Some very recent history tells me that Repubs cannot be trusted with the checkbook with a Repub president.

If we have to play this dangerous game, I think a very junior senator without any real ability to push through policy may be a good time.

Bob not getting it
1. I never said I would vote for Obama. You're not reading.

2. Since when should I take the word of an unprincipled media whore like John McCain? If you believe what McCain says on his website vs. what he actually DOES in real life, then I can't reach YOU.

3. Show me where I said Obama and McCain were "essentially the same". I never said anything like that. I said McCain is MUCH, MUCH worse. This is obvious to anyone who has been paying attention to the reasons for the continuing leftward tilt of the GOP in the last 20 years. If a person is unable to understand how we got an avowed and ambitious liberal (the 5th most liberal Republican in the senate in 2006 and probably more so now) as the presumptive GOP nominee in 2008 then may I suggest that it is because Republicans have been systematically setting aside their principles in favor of suicidal partisanship.

Well, I for one am a conservative first and a partisan second. I believe that the facts demonstrate that a McCain presidency would destroy the conservative movement in the US and therefore, ultimately destroy the country itself. I have heard not one scintilla of evidence that this is anything but the obvious future of a GOP with McCain as its leader.

Beeb - ''flaccid on national security''?
--
Interesting remark.

"As we all know, Ron Paul is extremely flacid on the issue of national security."


There's a reekingly Neo-con aroma to that remark, which argues for a more thoughtful consideration of just how "national security" is to be defined.

I tend to go with a view of foreign policy as an extension of government's "goons with guns" role (the only role in society, after all, that government is either equipped for or competent to fill).

The purpose of government (to anyone but a bloody "Liberal" or some other kind of psychopath) is to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic. As such, "national security" consists in maintaining the capability - and the demonstrated willingness - to retaliate with reliable effect against anyone who either acts or threatens to act in violation of American citizens lives, liberties, or property.

Note: that's "Americans." Not "Englishmen" or "Canadians" or "Kuwaitis" or "Israelis."

*OUR* security. Nobody else's.

The private American citizen is free to filibuster as he likes. He can get all Lafayette Escadrille or Eagle Squadron or Flying Tiger on his own, but the American *GOVERNMENT* is bound - quite properly, and inescapably - by "the chains of the Constitution."

No "Neutrality Patrol" crap. No playing convoy escort in a state of undeclared war against even the most odious belligerant foreign nation's U-boats. No "police actions."

But when war comes - when Congress *DECLARES* war - no holding back. No restricted targeting for fear of a "diplomatic incident," no suicidal rules of engagement, no Foggy Bottom Breakdown.

Kick 'em in the butt; don't pee on 'em.

That's "national security," and on that count Dr. Paul is as much a hard-on as you or any other American has any right to wish for.

--

Rich Galen is no conservative
...and does not belong on Townhall.com

We need Alan Keyes for President

http://www.alankeyes.com
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