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Monday, December 03, 2007
Rich Galen :: Townhall.com Columnist
More "Defeats" For George Bush
by Rich Galen
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As we've discussed before, everything that happens, anywhere in the world is now being described a "a defeat for George Bush."

Two such "defeats for George Bush" came to light this past week - and I'm not even counting West Virginia's loss to Pittsburgh which helped vault LSU and Ohio State into the BCS title game in January.

First came the news that John Murtha (D-Pa) who has been mentor to, and ally of, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Ca) had changed his mind on Iraq.

For years Murtha has been among the most outspoken critics of the war in Iraq. According to Investor's Business Daily, Murtha said that President Bush's surge strategy was "delusional to say the least." "I'm absolutely convinced right now the surge isn't working," and "there's no way you're going to have success," he told ABC in June.

According to Politico.com in July, Murtha (who is also Chairman of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee) told CNN's Wolf Blitzer "As I said earlier, and you heard me say it, it's a failed policy wrapped in illusion. Nothing's gotten better."

But, after visiting Iraq last month he said "in a videoconference from his congressional district office, 'I think the surge is working.'"

And what will Speaker Pelosi be swayed by this Murtha revelation? Again, according the Politico:

"This could be a real headache for us," said one top House Democratic aide, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "Pelosi is going to be furious."

A senior aide publicly admits that the Speaker of the House is rooting for America to fail in Iraq and it goes virtually unnoticed by the media (or, for that matter, by any of the Candidates for President).

The Murtha Conversion: Obviously, a defeat for George Bush.

The second defeat for the US President came just last night when it was reported by, amongst others, CNN:

"Venezuelan voters narrowly rejected a constitutional referendum that would have bolstered President Hugo Chavez's embrace of socialism and granted an indefinite extension of his eligibility to serve as president."

Venezuelan voters, according to the LA Times, "defeated a package of constitutional reforms that could have indefinitely extended President Hugo Chavez's grip on power here. It was a shocking electoral loss for the strongman, his first in nine years at the helm."

This is the guy, you remember, who called President Bush "the Devil" during a formal speech at the United Nations and is an avowed Socialist.

According to the LA Times,

"Even Venezuelans living below the poverty line -- the bedrock of Chavez's power base -- have grown increasingly skeptical about the reforms and disenchanted with Chavez."

It seems that even with all the oil revenue from Citgo, which the Voice of America calls "the American arm of Venezuela's state-owned oil company," the poorest in places like Caracas are being shortchanged.

Again, from the LAT:

"Ill feeling was being driven by higher prices and scarcities of basic foods, including milk, chicken and beans. Last week, people waited three hours in lines to purchase staples at some government-run grocery stores."

Anyone who visited an Eastern Bloc country before the fall of Communism will tell you the same story of people standing in long lines outside of a shop in Sofia, Bulgaria because a rumor had spread that butter, or milk, or toilet paper was being delivered that day.

Or walking into a pharmacy in Bucharest where there were two shopkeepers but only one item on the shelves. Not 273 copies of the same item … One item. Period.

Socialism is failing in Venezuela in the 21st Century just as it did in Eastern Europe in the 20th.

If this isn't a "defeat for George Bush," I don't know what is.

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Last night I
finished praying for the country. I asked for protection of our troops, wisdom for out political leaders, and a coming together for our country inorder to make decisions for the greater good over political power.

Obviously another loss for President Bush.

Saw this quote at FrontPageMag
The surge is working; Jack Murtha shouldn't be.

MLD
surely you have quoted Murtha at least once in your personal diatribes when his stamets backed your position.
You shouldn't run from him now.

Weapons Industry Dumps GOP for Hillary
I have a question for all pro long term Iraq war nation building liberals. Why do you think a Country that kills people for practicing Christianity is a functioning democracy? Also why do you guys not support Hillary since she is getting the most money from military contractors?


(CBS) From the time of Jesus, there have been Christians in what is now Iraq. The Christian community took root there after the Apostle Thomas headed east.

VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/vicar-dire-times-f or-iraqs-christians


Weapons Industry Dumps Republicans, Backs Hillary


http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/hillary-pro-war

The entire quote
Murtha has been and will always be a hawk. He is an intelligent man and a war hero, two things Bush is not. He knew (like the rest of us who know just about anything) prior to the "surge" that simply putting more troops in a specific area will cause military deaths to decline. Congratulations Cons, you have proven something we all knew.

Murtha did not state that the surge worked, but that it lessened deaths but is unsustainable and did not/will not do Iraq any good the minute we pull them back. This "surge" is unsustainable (we all know this) and did not accomplish anything beyond a show of brute force in numbers.

Please find me anyone who thinks otherwise. Nobody thought putting more troops in a concentrated area would do anything more than it has -- allowed a few Cons to praise the so-called commander in chief.

Good luck to all of us with our next president. We can't put the genie back into the bottle, and since our Constitution has been shredded and big business runs the country even more, there is not way we can return to anything else, even if a Democrat is elected.

Success?
Is the point of Galen's article to point out sarcastically that in fact Bush's presidency has been a success? Here's news that came up on Google this morning via CNN Online: The US national debt now stands at $9.13 trillion, having increased by $5.7 billion since Bush was inaugurated in January of 2001. The interest alone costs us $430 billion a year. Who holds this loan? $5 trillion is "privately held" (T-bills, notes, US savings bonds, pension funds, mutuals, foreign governments). Foreign governments? Japan $589 billion, China $400 billion, Britian $244 billion, Saudi Arabia and other oil-exportion nations, $123 billion. $4 trillion was borrowed from Social Security. The value of the US dollar has dropped 35% since Bush took office.

The word is ...
"$4 trillion was borrowed from Social Security"

...stolen, by Congress, just as it has used SS as an additional source of tax revenue since it was created back in the 1930's.

SS trust fund...
doesn't exist, and never did. We shouldn't include that amount in the national debt calculation. That money will NEVER be "paid back", it never was intended to be "paid back". That is just another income tax, to be used like the general fund. The sooner the American people realize that . . . well, I guess it just doesn't matter if they do or don't. Nothing will change that fact, or make the citizenry actually do something about it.

Defeats
Just because the Dolphins suck, doesn't mean the Jets don't suck as well.

We should be striving for success ala the Patriots, or at least the Cowboys.

The War
I remain skeptical that after thousands of years of hatred between Sunnis, Kurds, and Shite muslims can grind to a halt in just a few months. However, if this true then great. Congrats, billions of people across the world would have never guessed we could end this civil war. I'm still upset that we spent trillions of dollars to fight a civil war on the other side of the planet and now face another great depression from all the money that we owe to China for our loans for our war.

History lesson: Iraq didn't exist until the 1930's when the league of nations set up its borders in complete disregards to the area's ethnic makeup, which in turn started the quagmire for control of Iraq.

Now, lets get our troops home and focus on the real battle front, Afganistan...remember where Osama is.

HAAA
The lib posters here are getting even more shrill than their usual annoying selves. You are now even willing to discount your hero Murtha. The other day, I was accused of being brainwashed by the Bush administration. Do I get a pass since the administration has also apparently brainwashed Murtha? Just asking.

Hondo
"Now, lets get our troops home and focus on the real battle front, Afganistan...remember where Osama is"

Osama's in Pakistan.

King Liberal
"So Obama was right? That's where we should invade? Wow. Are "allies" are harboing a war criminal of the tenth power and we give them a free pass."

A simpleton might think that way. They wouldn't realize that there a portions of Pakistan that are not controlled by the government. They would accuse the Musharref government of actually harboring the terrorists who tried to kill him on several occasions. As stupid as that sounds, they would claim it was the truth.

King Liberal
Or simpletons might think invading a nuclear armed country would be a good idea as opposed to allying with the current regime and soliciting their assistance with tracking down and killing the terrorists. Certainly the latter is not as reliable an approach for getting the terrorists as the former, but it's also far less suicidal than the former.

Military lovin dogg
I have just returned from my third tour in IRAQ and i ask you sir when have you ever been in Iraq and have you ever been in the military becuase by your call sign you obviously have a grudge against the military. I would like to know when and where did you serve sir. If you want to make uncharter discreptions of places and things and have never been there or done that then sir you obviously are a coward to state some of the things that you have on this internet. please tell me that you are not a VET with all this hatred for our countrys military. With some of your statements it must be sad that you hate a country so much that you would spew this garbage about it. I am set to volunteer again for my fourth tour to Iraq and look forward to it . I will prey for you that you get the help that you need to be able to function in life because you sound as if you are a lost shepeard in the wilderness. I dont care what you say becuase this is America and everyone has that right. This is still and will continue to be the best country in the world no matter how you try to make it look ploitical. May Gods speed be with you in your recovery for the hatred of this country.

for inthemajority
inthemajority claims: "Murtha did not state that the surge worked, but that it lessened deaths but is unsustainable and did not/will not do Iraq any good the minute we pull them back."

What Murtha said was this:
"I THINK THE SURGE IS WORKING, but that's only one element. There's no question in my mine if you put more forces in, it's going to work out, but the thing that has to happen, the Iraqis have to do this themselves."

That's an exact quote; look it up.

Now under furious pressure from Pelosi, he started backtracking two days later and issuing "clarifications."

I don't bother with those. Because those are being issued to cover his behind. What he said on Thursday, quoted above, is what he really believes.

For USMC (Ret)
Could you explain to me how Murtha manages to CONTINUOUSLY be in Congress 27 years after he was VIDEOTAPED demanding a LARGER (than the initial $50,000 offered) BRIBE--in a country which ranks high on Transparency International's Incorruption scale?

I ask this because in India (which ranks quite low), a State Chief Minister dismissed on suspicions of corruption (acquitted about 5 years later on the charge, due partly to his bribing to this effect) around the same time has never again managed to be in any position of authority/power.

It just doesn't add up.

for King Liberal
King Liberal says: "We fought the soviets around the world in proxy wars and they could blow up the world. Now you crawl away with your tail between your legs at the idea of forcefully dealing with pakistan because the have a few nukes?"

During the Cold War, the U.S. deliberately avoided military actions against ANY Warsaw Pact nation. Because their policy was the same as NATO's: An attack on one is an attack on all.

In fact, after Jimmy Carter left office, Carter aide Hamilton Jordan told the media that one reason Carter didn't launch a major military operation to try to free the American hostages held by Iran was because Iran was on the Soviet border and he feared a Soviet overreaction to such a move.

As for Pakistan today, U.S. analysts believe that Pakistan has somewhere between 50 and 120 nuclear warheads already stockpiled. We ought to know, because the U.S. military had been secretly helping the Pak military implement "fail-safe" controls on the nukes, something that was only revealed last month.

You must admit, having between 50 and 120 nuclear warheads is a pretty sizable capability. If they are dispersed and hardened, the chance that we could take them all out with 100% assurance in a first strike is slim. And a retaliatory second-strike by Pakistan with even just ten nuclear warheads would be an attack our military could not afford. Casualties would be frightful. And then we would be forced to retaliate with our own second-strike capability, perhaps targeting Islamabad itself.

It would be a mess.

"Nuclear war is like a summer cold. One sneeze and everybody catches it"
-- William Prochnau

apoplectic writes:
"The lib posters here are getting even more shrill than their usual annoying selves."

No kidding. HaHaHAAHAA! Hilarious!

MLD said it all,
It doesn't matter how well things go in Iraq, he will still continue his anti-US, anti-soldier way of thinking. Now you know why we call you and your kind "traitor".

Gator
Right on brother, but on this internet these people like MLD by the way hasnt reponded so you must have hit a nerve. OOOPPS I forgot that TRAITORCRATS dont have nerves. But Gator you keep your head down and your powder dry and take care.

This is why we have the best military in the world. HOW MANY of you whining arese LIBS would volunteer to do anything that this young Warrior has done. NNNNNOOOOOOONNNNNNEEEEE.

We all know that MLD just got his citizenship not long ago and already he is a sign of how LIBS are cowards and spew so much hatred for this great country.

SteveL
It doesn't matter. Not one bit. No matter what happens, no matter who does what to whom, or where or how, it won't matter to the King Liberals, Dogg Under The Porches, lillys, etc, ad nauseam. The e-vil McChimpy Bushitler/Halliburton/Cheney/Rove/Big Oil/CIA/FBI/DAR/Boy Scouts/Martian cabal will be to blame, regardless of the circumstances.

All one has to do is read the posts here today, and what do you see? The same old lies, spin and vacuous emotionalism, which is all these people have, other than their raging BDS.

It would not matter if we had found Saddam's WMDs the first week in country, or if on that same week Bush put Osama's head on a pike in front of the White House, or if every other thing that's happened in the past seven years went perfectly, Bush will still be evil, Bush will still be a "tool of Big (fill in the blank)", Bush will stiil be "shredding the Constitution" (not that any of these proggie nimrods would know the Constitution if it came up and bit them on the backside), blah..blah, blah...

They are consistent; I'll give 'em that...

chuck says:
"This is why we have the best military in the world. HOW MANY of you whining arese LIBS would volunteer to do anything that this young Warrior has done. NNNNNOOOOOOONNNNNNEEEEE."

I volunteered for the AF on the day of my 18th Birthday. I didn't make the cut - but I tried. I was ridiculed on these pages for my injury during basic. It only proves that you don't give a spit if a man serves - only that he Serves Bush.

"We all know that MLD just got his citizenship not long ago and already he is a sign of how LIBS are cowards and spew so much hatred for this great country."

My family has been in this country going back to the turn of the last century.

Cave Bear says:
"It would not matter if we had found Saddam's WMDs the first week in country, or if on that same week Bush put Osama's head on a pike in front of the White House, or if every other thing that's happened in the past seven years went perfectly"

Nice cop out - considering that everything has failed. This is what the Warpublicans want from Americans: keep putting faith in our leadership -even as it fails and fails and fails. And then - after all this failure, try to convince everyone that our mistrust is based on hatred - not a rational weighing of policy successes and failures. The President had a huge amount of support in 2003. He was NEVER given a blank check and a promise of eternal fidelity. The Presidency - unlike some tribal leader or monarchy, is a results based job - and this guy stinks at his job - BASED ON RESULTS.

BTW - I'm glad violence is down in Iraq. I hope that all the Iraqis can return and forge a truly successful relationship with the US. I hope to one day see Baghdad - I'd love to see the whole region, so far back do we share a history with that part of the world. But as far as George Bush goes, he has failed in my eyes as a President - and he didn't even get a BJ!

WMD
We DID find them.

Google Al-Tuwaitha and Georges Sada. Even the NYT said Iraq was less than a year away from a nuke.

BTW, if you go back and look at the AP and Reuters pictures during the run on Bagdhad you will find pictures of mortar rounds with chemical warheads already mated for firing. The position was over ran and captured.

Also, if anyone cares to remember, the attack on our embassy that was foiled in Jordan was using 20 tons of chemical weapons made in Irag.

Look it up. No, really, please do.

Lying, braying, jacka$$ liberals won't, though. Too easy to whine and blame BUUUUUSSSSSSHHHHHH.

HEY DOGG
Or whoever you are today, it must really be shameful to have to change your call sign all the time. I bet that was a pretty bad injury since the AF does push-ups on their knees and only runs 1.5 miles for their PT test. With some of your comments you must have fail out of bed and injured your head. What happened did you get chaptered, hell what did you think the military was a summer camp. I still like how you LIBS are always blaming BUSH, well here is a shocker for you, THE CONGRESS GAVE BUSH the permission to go to war. Now if you knew anything about the CONSTTUTION then you would know that the President cannot go to war without CONGRESS permission, buit no one thought to tell that to CLINTON when he bombed a SUDAN asperin factory without CONGRESSES permmission.

And What Has Democrat Congress Done?
Nothing. The democrat run congress is a complete failure.

Hey King Liberal. Did Clinton find OBL? No he didn't and look what happened.

Did Clinton say Saddam had WMDs? Yes, before Bush was even in office (he even called for regime change). So did Gore. I guess they were the ones who started the lie.

Silly Lilly
"The US national debt now stands at $9.13 trillion, having increased by $5.7 billion since Bush was inaugurated in January of 2001."


In other words, if these figures are true, the US national debt has increased by 0.6% since GWB took office. Well, GOOD GOSH, WHAT A CATASTROPHE!! You are now living inside your nuclear fallout shelter, right?

As a percentage of GDP, the federal government deficit has decreased steadily to only 1-2% since the dotcom/Clinton recession GWB inherited. The tax RATE cuts implemented by GWB and the Republican Congress have resulted in record revenues to the federal government, revenues which admittedly have been squandered by the RINOs with their endless entitlement spending (but that's a different topic). Your precious Democrat Party certainly has never shown any restraint in greedy spending to buy votes, so your implication is baseless.

As usual, your post is just plain silly and uninformed.

YEAH
Right on Bob right on. Its the same with Bush lied and troops died. I was in the Military when Clinton was in office and lets see. Kobart Towers, Americans died, Somalia, Americans died,Bosnia, Americans died, USS COLE, Americans died, Two Embassies in Africa, Americans died now can someone tell me what happened after all of our AMERICANS DIED UNDER CLINTON dont we understand except for the fact that he didnt do nothing about it. He was SCUDDING MONICA to much to care about AMERICAN TROOPS.

King Lib - Standard lib stupid mantra
"He [Bush] didn't find OBL"


OBL, a clever adversary, escaped from the U.S. ARMY, not the President, jerk. As if a Democrat president would have "captured" OBL. In hindsight, yes, perhaps the U.S. Army should have placed Rangers in Pakistani territory to cut off the escape routes at the outset of the war against the Taliban by the Northern Alliance, but it didn't nor was the U.S. military privy to information as to OBL's whereabouts. Are you denying that OBL is contained or that a big hurt has been placed on Al Qaeda worldwide? What would a Clinton or (heaven forbid) a Jimmy Carter have done in the same situation?

It is truly a trivial exercise to shred what passes for liberal "thinking" and "logic".

Wow you all live here!
Welcome to Catharsis.net a place where the disaffected is welcome! Please note its people like Gator that are willing to sacrifice that allows you all to be the whinny self hating pissants that you are. Have a nice day!
PS all you nice doggies remember to pick up after yourselves

buzzkat: liberal "thinking" and "logic"

Truly an oxymoron!



King LIB
Im not defending BUSH Im just doing like you LIBS do. Bush has done a bad job in running this war but when has any war not had its problems. You LIBS think that everything that happens is Bush fault. The reason I go back to CLINTON is becuase I served under him and he let my BEST FRIEND die in Somalia and did nothing but what all LIBS do and want Bush to do now. RETREAT AND SURRENDER. Now when you LIBS state that Bush Lied and Troops Died I want you LIBS to recognise that CLINTON let American Trooops Die also and DID nothing about it. So until you stop the BUSH bashing we want stop the CLINTOON bashing. Now have a nice day.

OK King Liberal
So success to you means get OBL is that it or are there other hurdles? As to the WMD's obviously they had them at one time because they used them against the Kurds and the Iranians. The FBI guy that interviewed Saddam for months before the Iraq's hung him stated that Saddam wanted all his generals and other to believe he had all kinds of WMD's because he felt they would keep everyone from invading.
So everyones intel was based on that. So if in u=your delusional world you prefer to call that a Bush lie then so be it.

OK King Liberal
So success to you means get OBL is that it or are there other hurdles? As to the WMD's obviously they had them at one time because they used them against the Kurds and the Iranians. The FBI guy that interviewed Saddam for months before the Iraq's hung him stated that Saddam wanted all his generals and other to believe he had all kinds of WMD's because he felt they would keep everyone from invading.
So everyones intel was based on that. So if in u=your delusional world you prefer to call that a Bush lie then so be it.

King Liberal couple of points
1. It was Saddams lie and even his own generals bought it
2. I havent mention Clinton but now that you brought it up he was offered OBL on a silver platter and wanted no part of him. So yeah if he had taken the option he had he would have gotten him but he was too busyy with his zipper at the time.
3. We wont be police in Iraq for ever the plan is to move out to bases in the boonies. That gives us what we want. That is already being negotiated with the Iraq's
4. Troops gotta be based someplace this way they are closer to the action and so is all the logistics. That takes strategic thinking do you may not recognize it.
5. I dont blame Clinton for a lot of things. He was too busy playing hanky panky in the oval office to screw too much up (no pun intended) But you need to get over the Bush hating its bad for your Karma and blaming him for everything is just so much childish BS

bush's fault
hell i dont know how much of anything is really bush's fault; but, as we know when you sit in the oval office you are held responsible. the buck stops at his desk.

i have two real added concerns about bush today ... they may be things he cant control but they certainly put into focus why people doubt this man so much. first, the finding that iran has not been seeking a nuclear weapon since 2003 ... and bush's subsequent denial about knowing the facts of the NIE finding. how could a president not know immediately of the conclusions of this finding when he continued to talk up these concerns. even if he isnt lying, it makes him to appear to be the most incompetent boob to ever be elected to anything.

secondly and lastly, his long time right hand man ... karl rove's attempt to blame congress for the invasion of iraq would be amusing if it were not so pitful. my god, what was rove trying to accomplish ... who knows ... other then making a crass attempt to revise history to protect bush's legacy. why the concern if the war was just and not based on a pack of lies.

as for me ... i dont know what all bush should be held accountable for ... but i do know one thing ... he has got a lot of answering to do when he meets st. pete.

Bama not just him
he has got a lot of answering to do when he meets st. pete.

We ALL do!
Now to your question about what was known when, obviously I dont know BUT.... where does he get his information from?
The CIA and the state department right? Giving Bush the benefit of the doubt (I know it goes against your grain :-) ) Why wasnt the report about a 2003 known until now.

Now here's a scenario to feed the paranoid. Maybe its a back door deal to back off on all the Iran sanctions and sabre rattling in exchange for some reduction in IUD production. What do you think? .... Nah!

Wow you guys are unbelieveable
Do you respond to a persons comments or do you just ramble on in automatic mode. Sure Bush can be blames for things I am not saying hes blameless he is responsible for his action just as you or I am. However you cant blame him for everything. Its the far lefts mantra. Bush is a liar, he did this he did that. Many of these claims are silly. The president doesnt have enough power to be responsible for all the things the left blames him for. And you clowns just keep it up you make yourselves a laughing stock. Just as I am trying to have a reasonable discussion with you you just repeat the same point over and over again. Ok so we are done. You can blame that on Bush also as I have had enough talking to politically challenged people for one day.

Blame? For What?
How about this..."There's nothing to be blamed for".

I don't blame Clinton for not nabbing OBL when he had the opportunity to do so. And blaming Bush (or his Generals) for not being able to find a single human being who could be hiding in virtually any Middle Eastern country, is akin to finding the proverbial needle in a haystack. Particularly after he (OBL) knows you're after him. It really is fallacious reasoning to blame either President for either situaiton.

Iraq: What's wrong now? Its not easy? Does any reason minded person really believe it would be easy to totally transform a country? Let's get real. The truth is, we have America's most savvy and brilliant minds (our Generals) doing a wonderful job in Iraq.

My son is currently in Iraq and I have contact with a great many soldiers who have been to Iraq and returned. Almost to the man, they all agree on one thing. The progress in Iraq has been nothing short of miraculous. And things are getting better each and every day. Are we done yet? Nope, we're not. But that's ok and that fact DOES NOT equate to failure, as those trying to score opposition political points would like you to believe.

Too many people have fallen victim to the vacuous thinking of "pure" party politics, much to this country's detriment. We all need to stop pointing the finger at the other party, just to pander votes. It leads the country in the wrong direction and divides us.

Remember the old saying, "Together we stand, divided we fall". Don't let the politicians talk you into believing the falling is the best thing for us.

Dogg
That's the most ridiculous statement I've seen today.
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