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Tuesday, March 03, 2009
Rebecca Hagelin :: Townhall.com Columnist
Horrifying Trend Hits Young Women
by Rebecca Hagelin
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Julia is a fairly typical 16-year-old girl: she is crazy about boys, concerned about being fashionable, doesn't appreciate homework, loves pizza - and she "cuts".

For those who aren't familiar with the term - and whose imaginations might be thinking the worst about what it means to "cut" - I'm afraid I only have very sad news: "cutting" means you take a knife or razor and use it to actually dig into your own flesh.

This barbaric practice is common among today's precious teen women. Some school counselors estimate that the majority of middle and high school aged girls have engaged in such self-mutilation.

When I first heard about the bizarre behavior I must admit that I assumed it was rare, only done by a few girls with severe mental issues who dress in black Goth clothes accented by equally black eye shadow and studded lips. Yes, many of these girls who appear to be troubled do cut - but so do many of the young women who look like "the girl next door".

Why on earth do our little girls maim themselves? Much of it comes as a result of the hardness that often follows a severely broken heart. Some have grown so numb to the onslaught of abuse and emotional pain that they inflict intense physical pain on their bodies and watch their own blood flow to simply remind themselves that they are alive. Others do it in order to build their immunity to pain in general - they have to find a way to distract themselves from the ever-growing, gut-wrenching emotional trauma over their broken families.

Author Jane Alison's essay published in the New York Times on March 1, 2009, adapted from her forth-coming memoir, "The Sisters Antipodes" due out this month, is a heart-wrenching account of the tragic consequences of divorce on children. She reflects on her own struggles to cope with the fact that her dad left not just his wife, but his own daughters to marry another woman. She explained her and her sister's desperate efforts to cope with the abandonment, "....we tried to make ourselves valuable - writing, dreaming, trying to earn our own father's love. Or, as we tried to feel nothing at all, through drinking, cutting, men and sex."

Divorce is not at the root of all the reasons for self-mutilation. Abuse, a fear of failure, low and low self-image are also contributors. But what cutters have in common is a spirit of brokenness. When I asked my daughter if she knows anyone who cuts, to my horror she replied, "Yes. A lot of people." As she started naming names I realized that nearly all of them are from broken homes. When she asked her classmate, Julia, why she rips into her own arm with a knife, the girl replied, "I don't know - I just do it when I'm sad." A by-product of divorce, it appears by the number of scars on her arms that Julia is sad quite frequently.

Recently I met two wonderful women - Nancy Alcorn and Christy Singleton - who offer real help to girls who are suffering so deeply from abuse and brokenness that they start abusing themselves. Mercy Ministries (www.MercyMinistries.org) serves young women through a free six-month long residential counseling program. They bring both hope and life change to young women who have "life controlling issues such as eating disorders, self-harm, unplanned pregnancy, sexual abuse, addictions and depression." The girls receive biblically based counseling, learn life skills such as setting boundaries, budgeting, and preparation for parenting if they are pregnant. They also take nutrition and fitness education classes. But most of all, they are loved and shown that they can overcome deep hurts of all kinds and create a bright future.

"The Mercy Ministries program takes a non-conventional approach to treatment by getting to the root issues of the problems and then helping the young women move past their debilitating circumstances, recognize and accept their self-worth and prepare them to reach their full potential," says Singleton.

Mercy Ministries reports that they have helped over 2000 young women find freedom from very difficult issues and graduates of their program are found in "universities, on the mission field, working, raising children and giving back to their communities." The program is voluntary and open to young women across the nation. Visit www.mercyministries.org for more information about how to apply. You can also order their helpful book entitled, "Cut: Mercy for Self-Harm" which explains in far greater detail the huge problem that "self harm" has become in our nation, the various forms it takes, the reasons behind it, and most importantly - how to experience freedom and victory over both the causes of and the destructive behavior.

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Another Serious problem caused by Libs

Again another serious problem in our society caused Liberals.

We have now raised a generation of parents who believe their enjoyment of life is more important than being there for their kids and showing them some attention.

Single moms who gave birth in their teens go into their 30's with teenagers suffering from the belief that they were cheated in life and begin to act out spending time with boyfriends and neglecting the emotional needs of their children.

Two parent families struggling to pay high taxes caused by Liberals find themselves working harder and harder to support a lifestyle that does not include emotional support or spending quality time with their children.

Again the damage Liberals have done to society.

We can't blame broken homes on Libs
Come on! It's true that the lack of moral clarity with most libs is dangerous to society as a whole, but let's look at some examples of why cutting, bolemia, anorexia, teen pregnancy can happen to any teenage girl.

Sarah Palin's own daughter. She was raised in a loving, church-going family and still became a teen parent. Yikes. That's only supposed to happen to low-income kids from broken homes. Not. I am probably more conservative than most at townhall, but even I will admit that kids make their own choices.

Some parents from religious families (mostly conservative-type families, right?) practically "force" their children to go to church or follow certain rules, and kids often rebel. I know of several teens who were seduced into drugs from so-called active church friends.

Many parents who stay together for the sake of the children actually don't love each other. How much does that influence a child's self-esteem or feeling of self worth? When parents obviously don't love each other, the children can't possibly be happy about it.

Many parents who want to have children for whatever reason aren't always great parents afterall. Some would have been better off not having as many or any children, no matter how well-intentioned they are in their desire to have children.

Kids are difficult, and parents are imperfect. At the end of the day some well-intentioned parents will abuse their kids intentionally or unintentionally because they are inept parents.

Let's keep reaching out to all teens and help them make good choices. Let's not blame all of our problems on libs.

Thankfully
Thankfully I was raised in a 2-parent household and always felt safe, secure, and warm at home. When I was a child, we lived on a farm and we were quite poor. My parents often made time to play a few games of rummy with my older brother and me once a week. I have some fantastic boyhood memories of those years we lived on a farm. I was much too young back then to understand just how hard my father and mother worked to provide for us. As I got older and realized how hard their labors were, it amazes me to this day.
One of the things I remember is my father getting up when it was still very dark outside to drive our old pickup out to the pasture and bring the cows in to be milked for the first of two times every day. After that he tended crops, feed cattle for the market, and hogs for the market as well. And he was always in bed by 9 PM at the latest, usually after the 4 of us got through watching the Red Skelton show. Another memory is how my mother was in the kitchen in the hot sumertime, doing home canning of tomato juice, green beans, carrots, etc. (We always had two enormous home gardens every summer). There was no air conditioning and all my Mom had was one old oscillating fan in the kitchen to move the air around. It might have been a 10 inch fan at most.

There's a word for this behavior
I had a girlfriend in college who cut herself.

There is only one word to describe girls who behave this way: Crazy.

Just a thought
I often wonder what is going on with women today. If you look at the number of women that are doped up on prozac, valium and other drugs daily it staggers the mind. This is probably the third generation being doped up.

I'm wondering if these drugs are also affecting their reality of the world and how to properly cope with a clear mind and purpose.

I'm concerned that there are second and third order effects that have somehow been passed onto the younger women now in their teen years as well.

If this does happen (primarily) from
broken homes - what devastation is being wrought on single parent (from the start) homes?

I was in one of those 2 parent homes where the parents hated each other. The children knew it. We all came away with emotional scars from it.

Feeling morally superior, I felt that a single mom household was better than a home with 2 hate-filled parents. I really believed I could do a better job than my own horrible upbringing.

Well, forty years later - all the love I can/could muster and enough hugs to launch a saturn missile - I find is not quite enough to raise a child to fully functioning, emotionally scar-free adulthood. I have asked my child for forgiveness in not giving him what he so richly deserved and needed - a father.

Two parents no matter HOW inept provide more than twice as much security to a child. More than twice the nurturing. And no matter how much you try, a woman can NOT 'teach a boy to be a man.' - It's just is not possible.

I tried, really hard. But I believe I failed. My reasons are that while he learned much, he learned all the WRONG lessons. He learned what NOT to be, not what TO BE.

Cutting
In 1917, Bolsheviks establish No Fault Divorce in order to reduce the role of the church in family life and turn it over to the government. In the 1970's, many states latch onto the junk science, unproven, unfounded Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS)as legal weapon used in divorce cases to destroy the rights of mothers and children against abusers. PAS was created by Richard Gardner an advocate of pedophilia. In 1970's Frank Kameny pressured American Psych. Assoc. to reclassify homosexuality as normal. Today, Kameny has announced his next goal is to legalize bestiality & normalize hardcore porn. The American legal system is set up to destroy families. We have no one to blame but ourselves because we are all too busy to complain and put an end to this injustice.


CA Architect
Yes, we can blame broken homes on liberals. See Well, now's post. See Sylvia's post. Well, now highlights what a couple of studies have shown, even one from Berkely of all places, that point out the fact that children from two paretn families nearly always do better than children froms single parent families; even when the two parents are not necessarily in love. If those two are committed to raising the children and doing whatever that takes, they will put their own selfish interests on hold, get along and do the job. When it was much more difficult to get a divorce, parents did stay together for the children.

The libs, as Sylvia pointed out, created the No Fault Divorce laws. Only LBJ's Great Society (a notably liberal program), with its greater benefits for single mothers than for married couples with childen, has had a more devastating effect on families.

Do not point to Bristol Palin's pregnancy as an example of conservative policy failure. We all know that pregnancy will happen to anyone. It's what happens after that counts. Bristol plans on marrying the father. It would be much better had that already occurred but there is every intention of providing a two parent family. Libs would sign up for every welfare benefit and make a conscious decision to NOT marry. Huge difference.

CA (there's a shock) Architect
"We can't blame broken homes on Libs"

The H@!! we can't. Who do you think sold the country on the Divorce Culture? Billy Graham?

Ennui
Young people today have been given the experiences of a lifetime by the time they reach 17 years of age. They have had everything from diamond earrings and $6,000 proms and trips to France, to unlimited opportunities for drunken sex with strangers, screaming and waving signs in the streets (here in Kanukistan you can get *Community Service Credit* for that, toward graduation) and gunfights, lockdowns and green card raids. They have been given their own cars, expensive electronics, $500 handbags and $600 running shoes. They have been robbed, mugged, bullied and shot at. They have had abortions and taken their girl friends to the abortion clinic. And they have been protected from all the consequences of their actions by a world that keeps on crying THEY ARE ONLY CHILDREN!

By the time they are 18 they have experienced everything there is to experience in life, and with 50 or 60 years of life ahead of them, empty of all novelty and with the conviction that all young people have, that life consists only of Now and everything that happens today is forever, they despair.

I remember a hockey player telling me when I was young and loved to listen to their stories, that he had stood in the middle of a sidewalk in New York City, his pockets full of money, and as he said *I could have anything I want -- but I dont want anything.*

That is what I see in this generation.

also connected to OCD
"The pain from self-injury can release chemicals in the brain called endorphins. These are the same chemicals that cause athletes to get a “runner’s high.” This pleasurable feeling takes away feelings of stress or depression. Many self-injurers experience several of these phenomena. This makes self-injury a dependable coping strategy despite its often severe consequences."
http://www.lakeviewtherapy.com/compulsive.html

Don't you have mates (friends)?
Talking from a less sophisticated but intouch Africa I have a few thoughts on 'cutting' and related psycho-social problems in the USA.

* To much of American culture has become formalised with dictated programs or processes. Everything must have a plan. This is fine in business or science but it is also applied to humans - with a result of a lack of interpersonal warmth and genuine interactions.

* In the movie "Crocodile Dundee", Dundee, upon hearing that the mother of his NY female friend is seeing a psychologist, says, "Doesn't she have any mates (friends)?" This sums it up so wonderfully. Here is Africa we have psychologists but more importantly we have friends, real friends with whom we share sorrow and delight. My experiences in the US is that too often friends are just acquaintances.

Cutting
Cutting is the legacy of Alfred Kinsey who shamefully founded the Institute for Sex Research at Indiana University in 1947. The Kinsey Institute still exists and the records from Kinsey's "research" are closed to the public. Kinsey was an advocate of incest and all forms of perverted sex. His "research" was used to teach sex ed to American children via the school system. Kinsey engaged in genital self-mutilation. Please read works done by Dr. Judith Reisman. Our girls need the truth exposed. Cutting is not hip - it's perverted & self-destructive.

even 2nd and 3rd graders know
We live in a small town in the Texas hill country. All the kids in our town know about cutting - the people who do it are called 'EMOS'. It is a huge symptom of a much larger problem - the emptiness of having everything, and knowing nothing.

memories
If you are my age you can remember when liberal produced broken homes were going to produce a generation of superpredators. After watching crime rates skyrocket in the '80s (no doubt because of that liberal Reagan) conservative writings were full of predictions of doom based on the evils of liberalism.

Then a funny thing happened. Clinton was elected, a more progressive tax scheme was put in place. The economy improved, and not just for the wealthy, and the crime rate and abortion rate, and unwanted pregnancy rates all plummeted. Turned out that conservatives had no idea what they were talking about.

This article could have been written back then, after all cutting is nothing new. But Hagelin wisely chooses an indicator for which there are no good numbers. Who knows if cutting is more popular now than it was in the '80s. And it is likely that lack of knowledge which makes it perfect for the attack on liberalism redux. After all when there is actual data, conservative theory is shown to be wrong. It makes sense then to switch to areas in which there is no reliable data.

Lon, your slip is showing
The column is about a troubling psychological phenomenon.

Her Body, Her Choice?
How can any "pro-choicer" argue against this? After all, it is HER BODY, HER CHOICE. At least in this case, she is only physically harming herself, not a baby.

Chuck
Yes it is, but it is not about a new troubling psychological phenomenon, and no evidence is actually given that it is increasing in frequency. Insteas it is simply used as a stand in for bashing people who have not behaved as Hagelin thinks they should.

It could be that this is a new problem that is linked to the rise in divorce, just as it could have been that increasing crime rates in the '80s was a result of these things instead of the result of a political realignment that demonized the poor to support the rich. But in that last case it wasn't. And it is silly to take the sequel seriously given that the evidence provided is even weaker.

Hagelin has taken this new phenomenon as an excuse to push the exact same things she would be pushing without this new phenomenon. Not a good sign that she should be taken seriously this time.

(By the way is that slip thing supposed to be a gay comment? What is your obsession with homosexuality? Maybe you would be happier if you stopped resisting those urges. People who are heterosexual should not have the obsession you seem to have.)

well said, CAarchitect
Parents ARE inept. They might be well intentioned, but even the parents don't have competent network of friends to help do the job as well. Hetero parents fail their gay kids, gender expectations fail young people who cannot be molded into cookie cutter conformity.
Self mutilation, eating disorders and domestic violence are feminized issues for the most part.
Churches and schools are male centric. There was never an idyllic situation that didn't already sacrifice females to abuses that were hidden and females silenced. So nostalgia about 'back in the day' is inappropriate. It seriously depends on who you ask.

As long as the socio/political hierarchy is unrealistic about gender,these problems will persist, if not grow.

Lon, you surprise me.
"Yes it is, but it is not about a new troubling psychological phenomenon, and no evidence is actually given that it is increasing in frequency. Instead it is simply used as a stand in for bashing people who have not behaved as Hagelin thinks they should."

(and do you think they SHOULD cut themselves?)

"It could be that this is a new problem that is linked to the rise in divorce"

(Ms. Hagelin makes this point in the beginning of the 5th paragraph)

"instead of the result of a political realignment that demonized the poor to support the rich."

(Lon, the only one making any "political" connections here is you)

"Hagelin has taken this new phenomenon as an excuse to push the exact same things she would be pushing without this new phenomenon. Not a good sign that she should be taken seriously this time."

(Your conclusion does not follow from your premise unless you can show that she is wrong in both cases. The fact that she is implying any connection (if she is, that is) is not necessarily a mark against her thesis but may actually be supportive of it.)

"(By the way is that slip thing supposed to be a gay comment?"

(No, Lon. That's not the way MY mind works. It was a literary metaphor, nothing more.)

Well Now wrote... No.6
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Very well.... extremely insightful..

I will add nothing to her post, Number 6, because she has said it all there. There is more insight in her comments than in 40 books by PhD psychologists.

Just what we need. Life as it is by people with good common sense even if it took 40 years to put it together..

Let's hear it for good common sense, yes.
.

Our daughter cuts
This article is so timely. Our daughter had an intense cutting spell just over a year ago. We are still dealing with the aftermath. It was supposedly because of pressure over grades, and a "homosexual" friend who was pressuring her to be her "guy." Her scars are significant, on both forearms - many, many cuts. She has not worn short sleeves in over 18 months - even in 95 degree heat, and just agreed to show us her scars this past week. We are a stable, 2 parent home, so why? Now we are dealing with trying to reduce the scarring so she won't have to look at this every day of the rest of her life. Not much hope offered by the dermatologists and plastic surgeons. So she will wear long gloves to prom, and a long sleeve t-shirt to swim for the forseeable future. She is beautiful and smart, and charming, and loved......but......We are heartbroken, and struggling to know what to do, where to find help. Yes, she's in counseling.

"Discovery" of a shocking trend
Hellooooo -- as the Valley Girls put it. Rebecca Hagelin is just now "discovering" cutting? Wake up, honey. It's been around for many years. And it happens even in "good" homes, not just "bad" ones.

That's the problem with religious fundamentalists. Always behind the curve.

garageman
your post lives up to your name - just place a b after the r

chuck
Cutting is a serious psychological issue. It should be dealt with as a serious psychological issue rather than used to bash couples who have divorces.

Do you really not see the difference? Do you really not see which side Hagelin's article falls on the divide?

All One Piece,
These various problems with our youth -- the hook-up culture, the "sexting" which becomes outright pornography, the "cutting", and the whole mess -- are all one piece.

Having, as a culture, rejected religion -- especially Christianity with its focus on God loving EACH INDIVIDUAL HUMAN so much that he sent his own son to die for us -- and replaced it with hedonistic pursuit of pleasure and the "green" philosophy that humankind is a parasitic species that should be eliminated for the benefit of "The Planet" is it any wonder that our youth has become empty and nihilistic?

And yet, reliably, if any issue is brought up in any column on this website the same, reliable left-liberals whose ideas poisoned these youth show up saying, "How dare you!" to our objections.

How DARE we advocate teaching our children discipline and self-control?

How DARE we advocate the behaviors and choices that result in the best chance for long-term happiness?

How DARE we advocate teaching girls to value themselves highly and not to act like unpaid whores -- mere objects of male lust?

How DARE we advocate teaching boys to differentiate themselves from animals by controlling their desires and not using girls as blow-up dolls for transitory pleasure?

How DARE we proclaim that actions have consequences and that those who CHOOSE to do wrong suffer the adverse consequences of those choices?

How DARE we advocate aiming for the highest and the best instead of the basest and the crassest?

The left-liberals who have torn down morality and thrown out traditions in pursuit of a guilt-free, consequence-free lifestyle of hedonism are, individually and collectively, guilty of the physical and emotional damage done to our youth as those youth pay the price of a culture gone to the gutter.

Dee
God bless you and your family. I've been beating the drum of good parenting not being able to prevent all their childens' hurts or boneheaded decisions for a long time and all I've received for the most part is "Well if parents would only have done A, B, or C the child wouldn't have had the problem". Nonsense. We can't possibly control every situation, every circumstance our kids find themselves in. We do the best we can to prepare them for life's situations, and then do our best to help them get over their hurts. Satan IS the great deceiver, and anyone who doesn't see anorexia, bulimia, cutting, etc as the Devil's tools is blind indeed. How much more deceptive can he be, when he has convinced a lovely young girl that she must starve herself because she is fat (nevermind she looks like a Daschau survivor) or that she must cut herself in order to prove she is alive? Worse, we have no idea how it happens-it just does not make rational sense.

Will keep you and DD in prayer. (((hugs)))

For Dee (Reply #5)
Dee - Noticed you stated your daughter is in counseling. Please be careful. Find out how your psychologist feels about PAS - Parental Alienation Syndrome created by Richard Gardner. Check out the worldwide mass objections to PAS online. Check-out YouTube for the truth about Gardner. If your psychologist endorses this theory, you may want to run to one that is more in line with your values. Beware to all who see psychologists.

Any relationship between
the increased incidence of "cutting" and the increase in US Muslim (particularly Shia--for whom self-mutilation IS tradition during Muharram) population, through immigration and subsequent multigenerationals?

...and not very clever either
Terry:

You are most unsociable and unenlightening.

This piece sounds...
like just so much psyco-babble trying to make excuses for these supposedly poor, poor misunderstood, neglected or abused females. Me thinks it,s all BS. I believe cutting is just another anti-social, pop-culture fad engaged in by spoiled little brats with way too much time on their hands. These are the same little cretins that take drugs, jump into bed with 20 men before there’re 20, listen to rap “music” and mutilate their bodies with tattoos and piercings.

svpallala
There could be a link between increased incidence of cutting and muslim culture. But before affirming one it would probably be a good idea to verify that there actually is an increase in the incidence of cutting, and then to see if there was any kind of correlation between that and interaction with muslim customs.

Otherwise the link would seem to be no stronger than between cutting and increases in evangelicalism on the right or any other phenomenon that has increased over the last decade.

Scare article with no supporting data
A really pathetic article that seems to want to scare parents but provides no supporting data as to the incident rate for this type of behavior.
"Some" counselors "estimate" that a marjority....
This kind of article is best published in papers like the National Enquirer.

children
After supporting my wife for 12 years so she could stay at home with the kids she left me for another man, or should I say 11 different men in the first 6 years after our divorce. I finally got custody of my 3 children after a long drawn out fight in court. My ex had my daughter convinced she was mentally ill and had her on prozac and other anti depression drugs. It took me almost a year to get her to smile. She was 14 at the time. She had been abused by her mother, her grandmother and most of my exs boyfriends. She went through a period of many boyfriends just as her mother did but I didnt give up I just continued to preach to her about what was right and moral. She is now 26 with a 4 year old daughter she is raising by herself. But she spends hours everyday with her daughter teaching her and loving her. She has turned out to be a great mother but still has problems maintaining a relationship with a man. I hope to be able to send her to a private Christian school next year so she will not be indoctrinated by our far left liberal public schools. Explain how a school can suspend a boy for fighting back when attacked by another student. Our children no longer have the right to defend themselves in our schools. In Orange county calif. if you are attacked by someone in a bar you both go to jail!!!!! My son who is 5ft 9 was attacked by a man 6ft4 who weighed twice what my son weighs. My sons friend tossed him a knife and he cut the man who attacked him to stop the attack. He did no permanent damage to the man but went to jail for 2 1/2 years for using the knife. Even though 8 witnesses said the man attacked him. This same man had just beat my sons friend up at the party they were at so they left. The man followed them 1/2 a block to there car. This is the liberal way of controlling us. Making everything against the law.

Thanks for support
We were very careful to find a counselor who supports a christian viewpoint, and not the pop-psych babble popular approach. We are aware of the PAS issues in the field. As active Christians who have tried hard to keep the sex, drugs, consumerism, etc...in check, this has been espeically hard. If we had it to do over again, we would probably homeschool, or at least private school.....the ultra politically correct public Jr. High and HS environments have been part of the problem.

hi mother of 4
Your list goes on, but misses several VERY important things: that most initial proscriptions, especially those that are faith based, have been inherently unfair and contradictory. The issue of self discipline and delayed gratification and so on, have in our socio/political historical context, denied the worth of certain members of our society and denied their very humanity.

It's not about DARING to teach children some of the values you state, but teaching ENTITLEMENT based on one's perception of moral and social worth, while denying that of others. It's done CONSTANTLY in TH.
You've done it yourself.

One cannot lie to children. It's barely possible to be gentle with them. One cannot hide obvious contradictions, nor subtle hypocrisies either. And as long as the hierarchy, is more important than the ethics of treating another as they'd be treated and it's variations, and your failure to live up to that is evident: Your long list will have no meaning.

Cutting isn't new
Cutting is nothing new. I was a cutter back in the 70's. I had friends who were cutters. My parents, and most of my friend's parents, are still married.

I'm divorced, but neither of my girls were cutters.

I get annoyed when everything wrong with the world today is thrown at the feet of the divorced. Being a single parent is hard enough, without having blame for all the world's ills piled on our shoulders.

no help there AliveinHim
Our society has from time to time had standards of physicality, and morality with unrealistic values with regard to one's ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation.
And the controlling dominant culture has no restraint in THEIR demands towards those who bear the scars from straightening their hair, to surgery on the epicanthic folds on their eyes, to cruel bootcamps meant to remake gay young people into heterosexuals.
It's about knowing the rare and different, from the weak or common.
And looking for and supporting their value, instead of denying they have any.

Normalcy and judging it, hasn't evolved a whole lot from the barbarism of the Bible in SOME areas. Stepping up on a religious soap isn't impressive, and it doesn't get to the heart of why those who might even make up a rare minority...still have to fight impossible standards of who isn't any more superior or right just because they are more common.


du,
You are blinded by your own self-hatred and your inability to accept your own responsibility for the CHOICES you have made.

God's law and his mercy apply equally to all. For those who CHOOSE to accept him and strive to live according to his law the rewards are bountiful. For those who CHOOSE to reject him the misery is boundless.

Your misery is by no means the fault of anyone else's righteousness. It is the fault of your own CHOICE to put physical lust above righteousness and your own CHOICE to reject God lest you have to master your lusts and do the hard work of CHOOSING right over wrong every hour of every day.

Its on a par with a toddler yelling "You're mean!" and "I hate you!" to a parent who won't let him gorge himself sick on candy and cake.

du-you are so full of it, as an example:
"The issue of self discipline and delayed gratification ... ***denied the worth*** of certain members of our society and denied their very **humanity**.

Uh, where does "self-discipline" and "delayed gratification" --- in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM DENY WORTH AND HUMANITY????

Let them GROW UP and then, they - like all the rest get to do what they want. But, FIRST, let them be CHILDREN! I value a 12 year old young person MORE as a CHILD than I do as a possible sex partner - if that is indeed what you are trying to say in your convoluted fashion.

Can we have expected anything different
in any normal curve, there will be outliers.

That being said however, many of these "emo" kids, and self mutilators I've come across are truly twisted individuals. But one cannot blame them; and it isn't just children of broken...

...After all, how would you feel if you discovered at 8 or 10 that your mother, or father was a supporter of abortion rights. Perhaps you might wonder if you, yourself, would be dead, but for a whim.

What would it do to your self-worth?

Lon
Well, I'm at least pleased that you seem to have settled on one issue that upsets you about this article.

You have my sympathies if you are divorced and, if you are, I can understand where your sense of offense comes from, but I do not see that Ms. Hagelin is "bashing" divorcees but, rather, pointing out the connection between that phenomenon and the cutting; although she does not single it out as the primary factor but rather an underlying cause of the emotional stress that does cause the behavior.

Of course I see what side of the issue she comes down on (she does not think cutting a good thing for young girls to engage in and offers an alternative for them to consider) but I ask you to consider the possibility that you are making it into an issue that simply is not there.


well now
You misunderstand me, or maybe I didn't articulate myself well. Sleep deprived and in pain from surgery five months ago.

What I'm trying to say is that children ARE children, and always should be. However they ARE given mixed messages and if they belong to certain groups, they have to deal with being of lesser value in our society, if not world.
Those of lesser value translates also to lowered expectations for them.
Meaning there is literally a generational flow through of society ignoring those most vulnerable to premature sex, parenthood and domestic violence and insecurity.


Females, although now with more opportunity than a generation ago, still have impossible or contradictory standards they are confronted with.
Family dissolution has most often negatively impacted girls and women. That is a fact of life.
As for the context of self discipline and delayed gratification, you must be well acquainted with the expectations placed on gay youth.

They are expected to NEVER have sex, develop enduring relationships, nor are they supported in it. Indefinite self discipline and denied gratification altogether which isn't healthy really, is part of the denial of the humanity and emotional needs of gay people.
This has happened to others in history. And nothing good has come from it.

mother of 4
Your tangent proves several things, you don't know anything about ME. You don't understand the importance of context AND you're fixed on the subject as a religious theory, not socio/biological facts.

For example, black people and their sexuality has been the subject of myth, defamation and exploitation. Jim Crow centered around sexuality, not color.
You insisting that homosexual orientation is a choice, when it's not, is a belief that has been a huge mistake and damaged hundreds of thousands of lives.

Even tempering that by saying having sex is a choice is unrealistic, patently inhumane and one of those ridiculous expectations that does FAR more harm than good.

But if you knew anything about RECENT history, especially with regard to women, blacks and gay people: there is a background of subjugation without self determination around SEXUALITY in those groups. Being expected to not have sex ( except on the orders from whoever controlled your life),or challenging the dominant culture no matter their violations. This is the life of a child, not an adult. And historically this has been abusive and destructive, not only to the individuals but to society.




con't Mother of 4
As you should well know, the issue of sexuality with regard to homosexuality ends up being crass and reductive. As gay people and myself try to discuss justice, history, faith in equality in this forum....it's the other people, supposedly of faith, who reduce the issue to sermons, sex organs and crude descriptions on their perceptions of gay sex.

Gay people and myself talk about love, relationship needs and family, YOU have already decided that gay people don't appreciate those things and don't have to be gay if they didn't choose to be wrong.

That sum it up for ya?

What that all reveals is that you are so fearful and incapable of thinking through the issue unselfishly, then the basics will fall by the wayside.
No one should have to plead their case for love, freedom and equal treatment. The worst heterosexual has that without having to do so, more than the most exemplary gay person.
Time was, the most evil white person had more rights than the most exemplary black man.
You will confuse children with such contradictions in terms. You can't hide from it by preaching. You've been called out on it before, and couldn't engage that truth.

Morals are about how you treat another human being, not how much you deny they can think for themselves or rationalize your escaping THAT responsibility YOU have to that.



Horrifying Trend
ADLoggy: (#5) You may be onto something! This theory could bear some further investigation.
I really don't buy into this PC theory that outside circumstances dictate (or pre-determine) a persons future. I was raised in (mostly) loveless 2-parent home. My father was an alcoholic and was violently abusive when he was drunk. (most of the time us kids saw him) In spite of (?) this less than ideal childhod, I'm not self-destructive, criminal or a leech on society. But, then again, I'm a Christian and my grandfather taught me: -If you have the freedom to make your choices, you bear the responsibility for your choices.- and -Parental discipline becomes SELF-disipline.- If you abdicate actually parenting your kids, ie; demonstrating clearly there are ights & wrongs in life, you socially cripple your children for life.

du,
That's the most amazing piece of nonsense wrapped in gobbledygook that I've ever seen on Townhall -- which is saying quite a bit.

A good, Christian counselor can help you develop the discipline and personal character to cope with the challenges you face before that ridiculous rage against all society destroys you.

So the world is what it actually is instead of the paradise of responsibility-free and consequence-free hedonism you wish it were. Grow up and get over it.

Children
It's about the children. Those customs that promote the interests of children are in the interest of our society. Children become the adults of the future. That seems a stupid thing to write, but from the evidence many people do not seem to care about the children. Having a village may be okay, but having two involved and caring parents is a lot more so. Duty and obligation are passe-not politically correct-for some it is all "me" now.
Donald W. Bales, M.D. retired

Cutting & Mercy Ministry Graduate
I am a Mercy Ministries graduate of almost 2 years in June. One of the issues for why I went to Mercy was to overcome my problem of cutting. I did it for a lot of different reasons including to numb away the pain, as a punishment toward myself, a way to express myself and also sometimes for attention. Healing and deliverance from this issue is possible and I am a testimony to it. I have been free from cutting for over 2 years now and it was with the help of this ministry and God's healing power in my life.

Nancy Alcorn and Mercy Ministries have been a blessing to my life and has saved my very own life from destruction and even death. For anyone looking for help, I recommend applying to Mercy. Before Mercy, I had no hope and was lost. I didn't think life was worth living, but while going through Mercy, my views changed. I learned that I do have a hope and future. Life is worth living. I have been abundately blessed since graduating and continue to live in freedom.

As an encouragement to Dee, pray to God for your daughter's scars to disappear and have her pray as well. My scars have disappeared and I know of another graduate from Mercy- she is featured on the Mercy For series book-Cut. Her scar said Forgotten. I learned last year that that scar is no longer there on her arm. God healed her!

Freedom is possible!

du
You are one seriously disturbed person, and I say that as a practicing psychologist.

There is no explanation on these boards that can help you, and only professional intervention may save you from a life of perpetual whining and delayed adolescence.

To other readers here I suggest looking at du's prototypical example of pre-programmed and tribal thought constructs. She is attempting to politicize a serious and growing malady among teenage females by redirecting commentary into an almost comic tale of (protected) group victimhood.

Someone close by should really help this person, and that, very soon.

women?
"today's precious teen women."

Is it a good idea to call teens, "women"? And just fyi, Prozac does not "dope" people up.

To Dee - Reply #22
At one time, this never would have happenned with your daughter, because we had the necessary system to support the traditional families -- the churches, temples, public schools and medical professions.
It is sad to say that these once family friendly institutions now exist to undermine the families.

Charles
"the emptiness of having everything, and knowing nothing"

It's not about materialism or affluence. It's about being abused and/or neglected; it's how they deal with emotional pain.

you don't know me
pro from dover, mother of 4:
The issue before us is cutting. Self mutilation.

Rather than provide something helpful to the discussion. Like why it's a trend among young women mostly. Or that low self esteem, abuse and so on are also a mostly feminized issue because of unrealistic gender and sexuality factors, you slam ME.

You assume there is a hedonistic, rudderlessness in my life because I'm not religious or declaring myself a Christian ad nauseum as you do momof4?

Wow.

And pro from dover, a professional wouldn't try to diagnose anyone from a cyberspace blog thread.

That would be stupid, unnecessary, unprofessional and low class. You apparently have NOTHING HELPFUL to add to a discussion about self mutilation without attacking someone you don't know.
Why don't you stick to the subject?

Take your own gutless advice.



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