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Tuesday, February 17, 2009
Rebecca Hagelin :: Townhall.com Columnist
Nip, Tuck, No Thank You
by Rebecca Hagelin
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A woman picks up an electric knife and saws off her own breast. A brother and sister having sex is the topic of a conversation. A man visits a "dominatrix" who regularly bites him during sexual encounters. And between such uplifting scenes, you and your kids are invited to visit your local child-friendly "Jack in the Box" hamburger fun spot who will then use a portion of the money you spend to pay for the sordid programming.

When companies like Jack in the Box advertise on television shows like "Nip/Tuck" which I've described above, it's time for families to take their burger nights elsewhere.

If you ever wonder how such programming stays on television, well, it's mainly because companies sponsor the shows. The trouble is, the vast majority of decent families don't watch them, so when we go to dinner or buy products we simply don't know that our money is often going to support garbage.

That's why I have come to rely on the good people at the Parents Television Council http://www.ParentsTV.org to help me "follow the money". I work hard to instill timeless values into my kids and it's a tough battle. I certainly don't expect restaurants that bill themselves as "family friendly" to undermine me. It would never, ever occur to most families that Jack in the Box - a restaurant named after a pre-school toy, for crying out loud - would sponsor the scummiest of the scum.

Recently the Parents Television Council (a non-profit, educational organization) made a live appeal at a Jack in the Box shareholders meeting to plead the case to change their ways. The director of the PTC Los Angeles Foothills Chapter, Michele Mac Neal, was on-hand to address the company executives. She said, “As a mother, I ask you today to end your sponsorship of crude television, and instead sponsor family-friendly television, coinciding with your corporate efforts in helping children within the community,” Mac Neal said.

““You must agree Madame Chairman that this media buying pattern is in conflict with your own corporate values. Please establish media guide lines that are reflective of all your good work such as The Jack in the Box Foundation which has helped children throughout the United States, by sponsoring events provided by the Big Brother Big Sister mentoring program.

“I am pleading with you on behalf of millions of Americans to adopt responsible advertising guidelines. I would like to let 1.3 million PTC members know Jack in the Box is joining the campaign to help clean up TV,” Mac Neal added.

That's right - you heard it - The Parents Television Council is now 1.3 million members strong, and I urge you to add your voice to their numbers, too. We get what we pay for - and we also get what we put up with. I am convinced that if more decent parents took the time to let companies like Jack in the Box know "we ain't puttin' up or payin' up for scum" then the companies would stop - it's just a matter of dollars and cents (sense, too).

"Millions of parents are counting on Jack in the Box and other TV sponsors to realize that they play a fundamental role in keeping the most shocking, graphic and gratuitous material on the air; and that these types of shows contribute to a negative media culture for our children. Jack in the Box can change, and we urge them to do so,” says PTC President Tim Winter.

I find myself wondering: Aren't some of the stockholders and officers of the corporations that spend billions on advertising parents too? Do they even know what's going on themselves? According to sources at the Jack in the Box shareholders meeting, after Mac Neal testified the room was dead silent. It seems that many of the executives on hand were clueless and mortified to hear where their ad dollars were going.

This, though pathetic, is also encouraging, on one level. And it's one reason why PTC hasn't called for a boycott of the company- - they believe that now that the shareholders know the truth, there is great hope that Jack in the Box to do the right thing. There's hope for other companies too. But that involves you and me "tuning in" to who and what entertainment our hard-earned money is going to support. Moms and dads should not put up with us and our kids being used in this manner - and we need to let the offenders know.

Tom Winter and the other great folks at PTC recently released a study about a different kind of media that also caught my attention. Winter explained that the group did an analysis of YouTube and discovered how easy it is to stumble across crude, "extremely graphic" and "harsh profanity". Among young tween girls, for instance, two of the most popular searches on YouTube are for videos of the beloved "Hannah Montana" and "High School Musical". But, parents beware: often on the same page as Hannah are crude spoofs and unrelated raunchy material. And, if kids search for videos and make even a small typo they often end up viewing highly objectionable videos created by folks determined to promote highly sexualized and crass behavior. The PTC website has information on how you can join the effort to encourage YouTube to adopt higher posting standards that protect our innocent kids. But you have to take responsibility, too. Don't let your kids surf the net alone - and install your own internet filter if you haven't done so. There are many great filters that take just a few seconds and keystrokes to download. (The one I use is from http://www.BSAFE.com.)

Maybe if parents understood the powerful impact that media has on the behavior of our children we would actually get a bit more serious about knowing what is going on and making our voices heard. The PTC website has loads of data that proves how media shapes both attitude and behavior, especially of youth. For instance, a new three-year study by the RAND corporation reveals what we parents have suspected in our guts all along: children with a high level of exposure to television shows with sexual content are "twice as likely to get pregnant or impregnate someone" as those who watch fewer such programs.

Parents Television Council can help equip you to fight back. Just go to www.ParentsTV.org click on "Join Us" or "Take Action". You can also download Tim Winter's "Entertainment Alert" video which provides the latest information and action steps on how you can affect the entertainment media. Membership is free and you can sign up for e-mail alerts to keep you informed, protect your family, and actually change the culture around you.

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Gerald
I don't have cable so no I have never seen an episode of niptuck. I don't watch family guy either except maybe an occasional rerun late at night. I agree, it has it's funny moments.

Sort of beside the point though on whether or not we watch these shows. I have no opinion on niptuck as I haven't seen it. I also live in Michigan so no JITB that I am aware of (unlike Mcdonalds every 10 miles or so in every direction). It doesn't mean that I can't appreciate the concept of "informed consumer spending".

With respect to your comment about PTC wanting to control the media, isn't that a bit overstated? Sure they want to put pressure on the sludge culture. That's how our country works much of the time. Groups have the freedom to express what they think and why. Consumers have the freedom to express themselves as well by what they watch, what they do, and where they spend their money. This is how it works.

Again, no different than smart people not funding Hugo Chavez by buying Citgo gasoline. The dictaor gets plenty of funding still, but at least he doesn't get it from me. Or Michael Phelps on a cereal box? Did they make the right choice by canning him under public pressure? I don't know, but that's the way our system works. Consumer is still king.

a free marketplace
I would rather that the market determines what we watch than those that complain. Parents should ensure that children do not watch innapropriate shows -- the FCC and the government should not. Unfortunately, this same abdication of responsibility is why we have a war on drugs. People (many on the right) simply do not believe that people can control themselves -- so we need to have heavy punishments. We have violent crime that gets unprosecuted because we want to bust pot users or growers. It is Reefer Madness -- that is what many of the GOP beieve. They do not live in reality -- and they are stupid enough to think that Vioxx was "good" since it was made drug companies -- but codeine is "bad."

Nip/Tuck... and Family Guy
I'm just curious? Do any of you people even watch Nip/Tuck or Family Guy?

I'm going to guess NO.

If you watched Nip/Tuck you might actually realize that the shows has positive messages in it. Like: drugs are bad... as when Sean's son Matt got addicted to meth and ended up almost killing himself trying to make it himself... Or: actions have consequences... like all the BAD things that have happened to Sena and Christian over the 5 and half seasons that have aired (with another still to come).

And Family Guy.... that's just funny stuff. Stop being so up tight.

Oh, BTW I listen to ElRushbo pretty much every day.... I don't always agree with him, but most of the time I do... and I think even ElRushbo would say that you guys are being a bunch of nazis/feminazis.

Because lets face it, the whole goal of the PTC like the PRMC is to limit free speech. That's it. It's not to "track where ad dollars are spent ot inform the parents" its to pressure NETWORKS and ADVERTISERS into pulling funding on certain shows.... YEAH. That's right. They want to CONTROL the media...

get over your self
Who ever said Jack in the Box was a family restaurant. Has anyone ever seen a kids play ground at one. Nip Tuck is a good show for people who like that junk. I've seen it and I wouldn't let my kids watch it. I'm also the one who likes Jack in the Box. My kids love Mc Donalds. If you don't like it don't buy their stock. With all the things going on in the world you picked one silly thing to wright a column on.

Customers Determine Where To Advertise
Blanc offers, "I don't care what Jack In The Box wants to sponsor or not."

Hagelin is trying to make this about the advertiser, which is stupid. Advertisers are only interested in the audience. Customers are not invented or contrived, they are discovered. If the vast majority of people that like your product are males, 18 - 26, where would you find them? Hint: try watching "Nip & Tuck".

Advertisers are like lawyers and fire-trucks: They are just chasing their next Customer. Nothing more.

To A Liberal Freedom Is Over-Rated
John offers, "WHy are no conservatives calling for a boycott of Fox News?"

You are confusing free-market Conservatives with central-planning Liberals. Liberals are the one's that want to vary from the Constitution and move to a Socialist world of controlled media, controlled goods & services, conscription military and Central Planning.

Conservatives defend the rights of the citizens to pick the winners and losers in the market and rail against Presidents and politicians dictating that for us. Conservatives are not the ones begging for the nanny-State that Liberals dream of.

we should just change the channel

It's funny ya know. When conservatives complain about the smut and filth on the airwaves that inundate our children at all hours, liberals are always quick to stand up and tell us that we should just change the channel.

But when it comes to anything to do with conservative opinion like Rush, Fox News, et al, rather than following their own advice and simply changing the channel, they want to legislate it out of existence. The Founders would be rolling in their graves.

Remember politicians are like diapers - they should be changed often and for the same reason.

Hmmm? Stimulate appears to have
fallen victim to the TH police. Not surprised considering some of the distasteful comments directed at Hagelin.


Give me a break
Point 1. This show is still on televison (sixth season, btw) because of ratings and fan base. That is what draws companies to advertise during the show.
Point 2. Children Shouldn't be watching Nip/Tuck to begin with. It clearly states at least three times through the show that it's rated tvMA for mature audiences only. Therefore no child should be scarred for life by seeing a Jack in the Box commercial during the show, because any real parent wouldn't be letting the child watch it in the first place. DUUUH.
Point 3. If you don't like what's on (here it comes) CHANGE THE CHANNEL YOU DIP!! There are plenty of wholesome Home Improvement reruns for everyone.
Point 4. Why would anyone (that has a life) be so concerned about who is running ads during this show? Seems to me the only people the object to Jack in the box advertising during Nip/Tuck don't watch the show anyway. So what does all this mean (aside from the clear fact that 1.3 million PTCers are in serious need of a hobby) Well, I dunno?!?

P.S. Palin/Jindal 2012

John
It's not about censorship or boycotting. It's about informing. If a family friendly product or company, advertised their products during Family Guy, the PTC will inform consumers. They won't look with a blind eye just because it's FOX.

Secular society
Let's see. Was the USSR a secular society? Was Red China a secular society during the Cultural Revolution? Was Cambodia a secular society during Pol Pot's Killing Fields? Was Vietnam a secular society after we left? Is Cuba a secular society? Is North Korea a secular society? On the other hand Iran does not have a secular society? Israel has a non-secular bent, but most of the non-Arabs born in Israel are secular, but Arabs have more rights in Israel than in any Arab country.
My point is that the U.S. being secular does not make it a bit better. In fact, behavior seems to get worse the more secular it becomes.
Donald W. Bales

Stimulate
You are right. Selling burgers is top priority.


Part of selling burgers IS worrying about what their customers think. Michael Phelps learned this the hard way. To not worry about this could mean a decline in sales that they can't afford in tough economic climate.



Fox Network
Some of the most offensive shows on television are from the Fox Entertainment Network. Think Family Guy, for example. So the same money that supports Fox News goes to support these shows. WHy are no conservatives calling for a boycott of Fox News?

Gerald
Sure money goes to many good things as well. The PTC is simply informing public on where the money trail is. The consumer can decide if they can live with supporting Big Brother Big Sister programs along with networks airing Niptuck type shows. Without PTC and similar groups, how would anyone really know.

No different than investors wanting striclty environmental freindly investments either or not wanting to support dictatorships through Citgo gas products.

This isn't about censorship...it's about consumers being informed on where their money ends up and what to do about it.

Stimulate me baby...
Do you actually READ what you've just typed to weigh whether it's the least bit accurate (or for that matter, makes the least bit of sense)?


Stimulate
As I said, not much we can do about our tax burden. Most is money flushed into the toilet as far as I'm concerned.

We can however, decide on where to spend the rest of our money. Is it so wrong for organizations to inform the public of who does advertising and where so that the public can spend their money on products and companies that support their ideals?


OMGWTFBBQ
I'm a conservative.... mostly. I agree with fiscal conservatism and most social conservatism... But I also used to be a film student.... And I must say that all of you people ranting about "culture rot" and "distasteful television" remind me of Tipper Gore and the PRMC. Yeah, you "conservative" moms and dads that are bitching about Nip/Tuck and other such shows sound just like Tipper Gore and her bunch of liberal-minded irresponsible parents who detested "pornographic and obscene lyrics" and the parents who rallied against Eminem and Marilyn Manson and DOOM after Columbine.

YOU are the parents, you have the right to choose what your children watch and are exposed to in print, on television, on the radio and online. If you do that I applaud you. If you do that and still want to LIMIT THE FREE SPEECH RIGHTS OF OTHERS then you might as well register as Democraps and start supporting the Fairness Doctrine.

Also, what you dont seem to understand is that companies like JITB and Wal-Mart pay advertising agencies to create and place their ads. You got that? Also their ad dollars don't go to individual shows, but to NETWORKS. Now, lets not go attacking the networks. They have the parental advisories you all shouted about like TV-MA etc... Oh, BTW in case you guys didn't know this... on a network such as ABC here your ad dollars (the money you spend at a company that then allows them to advertise)not only goes to shows such as Dirty Sexy Money but also to shows like Extreme Home Makeover....

Put that in your free-speech hating pipe and smoke it....

didacosta
You are right that these businesses are not pushing anyone in front of the TV.

This however does not remove the fact that the consumer of JITB is the start of the money trail that ends up in Niptuck's profits. Viewership is just a means of setting advertising prices. Large viewership draws more advertisers and higher advertising costs aka Super Bowl and lower viewership draws less advertisers and cheaper rates.

Is it wrong to inform people of exactly where some of their money ends up when they buy food at JITB?

Stimulate
Parents should care because when a family goes to JITB and spends money on their product, a small percentage of that money goes to support garbage.

Kind of like our current tax burden going to support all kinds of garbage. Not much we can do about our tax burden but at least we can choose to pick a different restaurant.

Now obviously you would prefer to live your life without having to be burdoned with other people's problems. This is a typical trait of selfish people. Good luck with that.

Who's the culprit?
"Millions of parents are counting on Jack in the Box and other TV sponsors to realize that they play a fundamental role in keeping the most shocking, graphic and gratuitous material on the air;"

Problem is Jack in the Box is not in business to protect the moral integrity or character of children or anyone else for that matter. Jack in the Box is in the fast food business to make money. They direct their advertising where the demographics produce the most bang for the buck; i.e., the most revenue per advertising dollar spent.

Jack in the Box and any other business that advertises on similar venues are not pushing people in front of their television sets and controlling their program selections. The people do that themselves apparently because they like this type of programming.

Much as we like to blame Corporate America for promoting all the evil trash in the world it is societies propensity towards this end of the entertainment spectrum that is in control and plays the fundamental role. We get what the majority want and much as I commiserate with your view, Rebecca, I disagree with your premise that Jack in the Box and others of their ilk "play [the] fundamental role." If nobody watched "Nip & Tuck" Jack in the Box would drop their sponsorship in a heartbeat.

Truth in Posting?
Just for the sake of openness, I think Hagelin should point out that the PTC is the creation of fellow Town Hall blogger Brent Bozell.

And it would be good to know that the PTC was sued by the World Wrestling federation (or something like that) because PTC was 1) going to advertisers and telling them that a number of children had actually died as a result of watching wrestling and 2) a significant number of sponsors had already cancelled their contracts with WWF (or whatever).

In fact, no one had died and the sponsors they named had never advertised on WWF (or whatever)

In short, this whole movement is fraught with deceptions and lies. That said, some of their goals are laudable, such as requiring cable companies to provide cafe style access to channels.



Stimutlate Me Baby
Where do you get your news? E network? Comedy Central? Stick to the subject. If you approve of Nip/Tuck patronize JITB and its other sponsers.

See this is why coservative talk radio works and lib does not. Ad revenues. One earns it the other steals it from inner city youth clubs or takes it by government force.

Stimulate, let me be the first to...
point out what you obviously are dying to hear. Yes, you are a jerk. I fully realize that it is a waste of time to even address the idiocy that you spout and yet I just can't help myself.

I don't care what Jack In The Box wants to sponsor or not. The article didn't really impress me one way or another. I appreciate the author's concerns and I appreciated the way that her group (seemingly) respectfully took their concerns to JIB. What does offend me (and, of course, you know this as it is what you set out to do) is hateful, ignorant morons like yourself who won't acknowledge the fact that raising children is very difficult in the world we live in. Contrary to your belief that they are little robots that we parents should control (or, I assume, beat into submission if they fail to listen) they are fully functioning human beings. Oftentimes, they are not fully mature or experienced and since those things play a huge part in their success in life we parents try to create an atmosphere where that maturing is supported, where experience is gained at a level that isn't hurtful.

I totally get that you have a hedonistic, 'it's all about me' approach to life. Watch what you want. I do my best to make sure my kids watch what I think is appropriate for them too. I'd appreciate a little less garbage floating around, but we do our best to filter it. Regardless, it's a challenge. So please stop your ignorant, infantile preaching about how you should be left alone to roll in your mire and pollute the cultural air in any way you want and how that has no affect on the little people that we care the most about. You don't care about my kid? I get it. Just shut up about what you don't have a clue about.

Deviancy approved by liberals
The Obama administration is authorizing the public funding of the same studio that produce this deviancy. Only at the ballot box can we really stop this crap from being financed with public money. I would care less if the money was private because all televisions are equipped with channle changers and it is a cable show with a liberal audience.Protest announcement is giving it more attention then it ever deserved.

just a pair of pliers


Hey, I'll take a portion of that advertisement dollar and show castrations of any stupid idiot who got a female not his wife, pregnant.

No pain killer, just a pair of pliers.

Advertisers Find Their Audiences
Rebecca Hagelin offers, "And between such uplifting scenes, you and your kids are invited ..."

Hey, Rebecca, don't worry about the advertisrs! Worry why you and your kids are watching this stuff! You need therapy!

Audiences find their audiences, not the other way around. Do you seriously watch a program for its advertisements? The program is an inconsequential event to your viewings?

If you are not an advertising specialist, you have got to be out of your mind.

Agreed...
... "Nip/Tuck" is one of the most agressively perverse shows on basic cable. These characters are truly pathological (it's telling that the best-adjusted one seems to be the dumpy lesbian anesthesiologist).
Still, two points. First, why pick on Jack In The Box among all the program's sponsors? Second, I have a larger question of whether FX is deliberately trying to redline family viewers from their demographic for advertising purposes. Note, for example, that there are far more viewers over 60 out there than there are self-identified gays -- yet broadcasters and sponsors avoid the former like the plague, while sucking up (sorry, bad pun) to the latter.
Finally, I'll follow Rebecca Hagelin columns wherever they might be (as long as they include her photo -- sigh).


Anna
Excellent point as well regarding the free choice in cable. There is a much higher demand for this now and is continually growing.

Our home has no cable or sattelite because of the poor package choices available. I won't pay for garbage and so we subscribe to nothing.

D
It may happen if JITB doesn't make changes. However if they do make changes, this could actually increase their sales as consumers are willing to forgive and forget. Consumers may choose JITB over a competitior knowing JITB did the right thing.

7Sticks
Your numbers don't add up (thanks to Pistol)

Also it seems that you are concerned with the fact that groups should have no voice based on their small percentage of entire population. Why is that? (more thanks to CVN)

It has nothing to do with removing NIPTUCk from programming guide. It has to do with JITB being a kid friendly franchise advertising on an all adult show. It would be no different then NIPTUCK sponsering the free toys in the kids meals at Jack in the Box. Do you think consumers would or should be upset at that?

Leo
Get a grip here. Just because a person or group becomes pro-active in promoting an idea or cause, does not automatically place them in the dictatorship category.

They didn't boycott the show or JITB. They simply informed them that they might want to take another look at their advertising department. Nobody was trying to remove niptuck off the air or force cable companies to air only family friendly programming.


The PTC may be doing
Jack in the Box a big favor here by having them re-evaluate their advertising dollars. It sounds to me like they are wasted on shows like niptuck. It only makes sense. We don't see beer advertising on Saturday morning cartoon shows after all. These would be wasted dollars as well.

The PTC also showed a high degree of integrity here by not promoting boycotts of JITB. This shows they are not in any way trying to bully JITB but simply inform them to whom they should be focusing their advertising budget. It will be up to JITB to decide on the merits of PTC's claim.

7 sticks
So you are saying that a relatively small percentage of the population can be ignored? Is that your position? The overwhelming number of people have no position or approve of this show, so we should ignore those that do not? Fine. Apply this principle to any topic relating to the GLBT community. They are about 5-7% of the population but only a small percentage are politically active. So now all we do is just ignore them, right?

Basic Values
This is one place where conservatives can use capitalism (one of its core values)to effect culture change, which is at the heart of the democratic movement. Whoever owns the culture, owns politics.

We want the market to make decisions and not government. Censorship is out of the question. Everyone has the right to choose or no one does.

Conservatives need to vote with their money through the market to effect culture change. Government is going to spend money on the culture it needs to create stay in power. If the majority of Americans (who claim to be conservative, moderate, or independent)use their money to veer companies, media, movies, internet, and magazines away from advertising content that demoralizes the country, then capitalism will do its job. They will advertise or produce media where the money flows.

Stick with capitalism and use your money to effect the market. It'll work if enough people get involved, participate, and live their values through their money.

No, Jim.
The column does not urge the gvt to tell you what to watch. It is urging a child-oriented company to act with corporate consistency. The old Howard Stern argument about using the on/off switch is tiresome.

read Laura Hollis Column
Today!

govt.
I dont want the govt. telling me what to watch on tv.I also have an off button/Mabe everyone should get one.

Trash & porno supporters
Interesting how quickly they found this article. PTC is an excellent organization doing a great job of informing people about their rights! The size of an organization is not relevant -- in our busy world, who has time to join every organization that one agrees with. We can just be glad that PTC is working on this serious issue and informing the rest of us! PTC is also lobbying for FREEDOM OF CHOICE in cable viewing. Why should people be forced to pay for trash as part of a cable subscription package? I really wonder what the corporate sponsors of these inappropriate TV products would think if their OWN children happened to watch? There is a huge difference between censorship and getting reliable information. Too bad the industry is incapable of self-monitoring.

LEO
Its how far they go. The protests are fine, but when they start to lobby Congress or the FCC then theu are crossing a line that as conservatives should offend us all.

The price of Freedom is tolerance. But voting with your dollars or your remote is fine.

Just leave the government out of this. I want a government that watches over my food supply not what I watch on TV. No fairness Doctrine and no TV censorship.

PTC
PTC is absolutely right to lobby Jack in the Box not to advertise with any program that the group finds offensive. They also have the right as the Gays did in California to boycott if they wish.

But lets leave it at that. I don't want some government agancy telling us what we can and cannot watch on Cable. Parents can vote with their channel clicker.

Nip/Tuck is tacky but it gets viewer and those adult viewers should not be prevented from watching by big brother.

D
How'd you know i am a math geek?

Don't pick on me. I'm trying to quit. :-D

1.3 million
is 2 per cent of 65 million. There are about 300 million in our population.

7sticks
1.3 mil is 2 per cent of 65 mil. Last i heard our population was almost 5 times that. Go back to school.

The scum are here
These characters calling themselves Leo and 7-sticks (sticks of what?) come around here to defend filth in entertainment. In the old days there was the Hays Office that kept obscenity out of movies (Bob Hope used to joke in his movies about whether some of his silly gags would "pass the Hays office"), which was censorship, and the country was the better for it. Sewage should not be allowed on TV where kids have access to it.

Grow up!
Grow up Leo and express youself like an adult. Stop calling people names and acting like a two year old. Your self-indulgent rant impresses me but not the way you would want.

Your religious bigotry is nauseating. It is deeply offensive. You believe in freedom of expresssion as long as you agree with what is being said. Otherwise you trash people.

This is America. We have freedom of speech here. I know you don't like it Leo, but it's a fact. And if you were more mature, you could disagree with Rebecca without coming off as a small-minded bigot. You are what you say you despise.

1,3 million
members sounds like an outright lie. They've known to bloat their numbers.

Of course busybodies like Hagelin should be allowed to decide what others are allowed to consume as entertainment. Christian totalitarian view demands them to dictate the private lives and choices of others to the tiniest degree.

The idea of freedom, the idea that if you do not like some program don't watch it, is obviously unknown to culture fascists like Hagelin. After all, Hagelin and people behind PTC share an aim: the force others to live under the tyranny of fundamentalist Christianists and their religious dogma.

Sorry, I Don't Buy It...
When you say "1.3 million members", you do realize that is a little over two percent of the entire American population? As for the average TV viewership total, which is probably around 70-90 million at the very least, the percentage is still a measly 4.7 percent of the general TV viewing audience. Also taken into account the number of average audiences per show (good = 14 million, bad = under 7 million), that percentage is still a minority by about 10-25 percent.

The point of these numbers is that most people don't tend to share the views of the PTC. I read a statistic that even though 52 percent disapproved of the Justin Timberlake wardrobe malfunction, 60% said that no federal intervention should be made. Part of the problem is that you want the federal government to take a bigger role in content censorship. Yes, it's censorship. Unlike obscenity, content that may be indecent is not illegal. Second, this show is broadcast on cable, so you do have choice whether you want to watch it or not, and that choice is having cable or NOT having cable. I've never seen an episode of Nip/Tuck, but I bet there are millions of people outnumbering your side that do watch it, and would object to what you are doing. This would be a different issue if you were in the majority, but the fact is you are not. I believe this is the final season of the show anyway, so you won't have to worry long for it to end.
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