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Thursday, January 08, 2009
Rebecca Hagelin :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Ten Big Lies About America
by Rebecca Hagelin
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In these times of economic troubles the liberals are looking to take more control of your money, your business, your freedom and your future.

 But if you read Michael Medved’s powerful new book, The 10 Big Lies About America , you can help stop them.

I recently had the pleasure of co-hosting (with my colleague, Heritage VP Becky Norton Dunlop) Michael for a book lecture at The Heritage Foundation and he absolutely “brought the house down”, wowing the standing-room only crowd with his energizing speech delivered from memory. When he took questions, he had instant recall about numerous facts, figures and topics. I wasn’t surprised, as I have been in-studio with Michael and watched him answer questions for three hours with no notes. Medved is more than a human encyclopedia – he’s more like a human Google. No wonder he is one of the most successful and effective syndicated radio hosts in the nation. And his knowledge of history and politics is joined by pure raw guts. He’s not afraid to call the liberal mantra and revisionist history what it is: a bed of lies. That’s just what he does in The 10 Big Lies About America.

Take “Big Lie #6,” which is more pertinent than ever these days:

“Government programs offer the only remedy for economic downturns and poverty.”

Liberals love to argue that it is government – not the spirit or will or hard work or free markets and free citizens – that can cure economic ills. The libs love to point to FDR and his “alphabet soup” of government programs, hatched as an effort to pull America out of the Great Depression, as the defining, magical moment for “big government”.  In fact, Michael shows, the “New Deal” did precious little to help get America out of its economic doldrums. It took a world war to do that.

That’s not just the opinion of a smart conservative pundit. It’s also the opinion of Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., a liberal scholar who is considered one of the premier experts on the New Deal. Writing in 1963, he said, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produced recovery … The New Deal had done remarkable things, especially in social reform, but the formula for full recovery evidently still eluded it.”

That’s just one example of what makes Medved’s book so valuable. He’s done the research to back up his conclusions -- and packaged them in a highly readable book that makes it so much easier for you, as someone who’s actually grateful for both personal freedom and free markets, to fight back.

Another popular distortion is “Big Lie #5,” which reads: “The power of Big Business hurts the country and oppresses the people.” Maybe that’s believable if, Medved says, you don’t realize that our founding fathers were more concerned about the dangers from big government, not big business. Distinctions between the “haves” and the “have-nots” don’t help, and frequently hurt public debates. The fact is, we largely rise and fall as one. As Michael notes:

“The idea that laborers or customers somehow benefit if a corporation feels squeezed or faces shrinking profits remains one of the profoundly illogical legacies of discredited Marxism. If governmental regulators crack down on a given company, they most often harm, rather than help, the interests of its workers (and shareholders, obviously). In the free-market system, the boss, Peter, can’t benefit in the long term at the expense of his employee Paul. They either prosper together or fail together.”

Yet still we hear calls from politicians for increased regulation, which is touted as the only safeguard between poor workers and their greedy, “robber baron” bosses. (Maybe because that would shift more power to the politicians?) Medved shows how absurd it is to put your faith in government rather than the market.

The 10 Big Lies About America shows why the solution to our economic downturn is not aggressive government programs. A quick look at history demonstrates in no uncertain terms that more government programs only exacerbate economic problems. They actually constrict the freedom that people come to America to find. Applying the same oppressive ideas and policies that poor countries use to strengthen the American economy is asking for failure. And believing that adopting policies which have failed in one country will work is, frankly, insane.

The very reason America has succeeded is that it grew into a nation that rejected the economically strangling trap of socialism -- the very formula that certain liberal politicians now tell us will save us.

Alarmingly, they think of government as if it were a parent. As President Clinton once stated, “We must provide for our nation the way a family provides for its children.” This has never been an appropriate role of American government, and it carries no meaning in the spirit of the U.S. Constitution.

Difficult economic times do not call for new, bigger government programs, but for preserving the power of the people. Appropriately. Medved starts the book with something Ronald Reagan said in his January 1989 farewell address:

“We’ve got to teach history based not on what’s in fashion but what’s important …If we forget what we did, we won’t know who we are. I’m warning of an eradication of the American memory that could result, ultimately, in an erosion of the American spirit.”

The American spirit is still alive and well, but it won’t survive unless all of us are willing to fight for it. Thanks to Michael Medved and his terrific new book, The 10 Big Lies About America, you have the ammunition you need to do just that.

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silly silly silly
This paragraph is so silly, and written
apparently with a huge lack of thought.
No room to go into depth here, but try this on
for size:" it is government who can protect
us from those who would do us harm" and
who do you think pays for a world war - the
government! Why do the FDR naysayers always
love to make the assumption that a depression
can be corrected overnight. That would
require a miracle.

...and what exactly are you trying to say? It is so vague as to be meaningless. Which government pays for a world war? I missed that in my lecture class.


Hagelin
"Liberals love to argue that it is government – not the spirit or will or hard work or free markets and free citizens – that can cure economic ills. The libs love to point to FDR and his “alphabet soup” of government programs, hatched as an effort to pull America out of the Great Depression, as the defining, magical moment for “big government”. In fact, Michael shows, the “New Deal” did precious little to help get America out of its economic doldrums. It took a world war to do that."

This paragraph is so silly, and written
apparently with a huge lack of thought.
No room to go into depth here, but try this on
for size:" it is government who can protect
us from those who would do us harm" and
who do you think pays for a world war - the
government! Why do the FDR naysayers always
love to make the assumption that a depression
can be corrected overnight. That would
require a miracle.

Healthcare or Poisoning?
There are more people born with autism; dying from various cancers and losing their memories since the chemicals have been added to our foods and the water has been contaminated by corporate toxic waste and MTBE was added to gasoline to save the oil tycoons billions of dollars so they wouldn't have to dump the waste and there was an increase in asthma; respiratory diseases, and cancers and so forth; and the government sprayed certain counties such as Orange County, California, with poisons during the Clinton administration, and millions are given to Planned Parenthood so we can pay for millions of other people's kids to have abortions even though its a personal and family responsibility; and the Liberal Socialist New Deal government is concerned about taking over health care to save lives? Good grief, America, wake up and follow the chem trails - as well as the money -

LIE #11
BHO has indicated that he wants to follow in the footsteps of Mrs. Schlossberg's father, JFK. Kennedy told us, "ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU ..." We'd all be in better shape if Barry Boy did adopt this mantra.

Paul
"Well Exxon had the power to rip us off at the gas pump."

Profit margins:

Exxon - 10%
Pepsi - 14%
McDonald's - 17%
Coca Cola - 21%
Microsoft - 30%

So, Paul, what are you drinking and eating while typing on a computer with Microsoft software - 87 or 93 octane?

To GUNNY 6:46
Amen Brother! I don't even respond to some hereon, because I KNOW U can't argue with a rock
or a tree! And I totally agree that Socialism simply does/cannot work..I've lived in 7 Countries and I'm absolutely convinced that a welfare system cannot sustain itself for long..
I currently own the property (100+ acres) where I grew up and I could STILL sustain my family there.. Don't want to, but I shudder to think what would happen to a lot of The Boomers under REAL Socialism??!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Edna Eagle
Keep 'em coming. Thanks again.
The problem with liberals is that they ignore what the founding fathers said and then pretend to honor them.

New Deal effects
In 1932, Hoover's last year in office, US unemployment stood at 23.6%.

After seven years of the unceasing efforts of FDR & his New Dealers, it had indeed dropped... to 17.2% in 1939.

It was 14.6% in 1940; then, as the US staggered toward war, it dropped to 9.9% in 1941 and 4.7% in 1942.

Here's the link to the US Bureau of labor Statistics article if anyone cares:

http://www.bls.gov/opub/cwc/cm20030124ar03p1.htm

4.7% in a nation of @135 million was greeted with hosannas. Now, with more than twice the population and far more women in the workforce, 6.5% is the end of the world.

To reply #1
Dear Bill, Your argument makes the assumption that liberals actually believe that socialism will work in this country where everywhere else it's proven to produce government control, loss of liberty and economic poverty for the masses. Either liberals are stupid (which I don't believe), or they are naive (which I also don't beleive). That leaves only one other assumption I can make. They want total control of the social and economic institutions of this country. Once they have total control, what they believe is that they have superior intelligence and knowledge over others who have tried socialism. They believe that if they have total control, they know better than the masses what is good for them.

Arguing or debating with a liberal is the same as arguing or debating with Islamic extremists. You can't do it because to them there is only one side to any issue -- their side. The liberal press presents the liberal side of issues as the "correct" side, whereas the conservative views are either ignored or villified. They lie constantly and blatantly while never apologizing when they are caught red-handed.

When caught in their lies, they always fall back on, "that's not what we said" or "you are taking that out of context", and several other weasel-word phrases such as, "it depends on what the meaning of is is" to cover their tracks.

Too many crying "lie" - on both sides
At one time I might have looked for Michael Medved's new book with interest, but now, if I read it at all, it will be with plenty of skepticism. I used to be something of a Medved fan but he has forfeited my agreement and respect in the last couple or three years.

But even if I find I agree with much of the substance of Medved's book, the *title* resorts to a rhetorical device which is poisoning our political culture on *both* sides of the political divide. That is using the word "lie" to describe "any statement I disagree with" instead of "a proven, deliberate, KNOWING untruth".

On the left the most obvious example is the slogan "Bush lied, people died". It's not enough to argue against Bush's position on the war, to say he made a huge mistake and people died because of that. No, leftists have to assume that Bush *knew* his stated reasons for invading Iraq were false and invaded anyway, aparently out of motives of pure evil. I've come to believe myself the Iraq war was a mistake, but I don't think Bush "lied" in that sense.

But it sounds like Medved is doing the same thing by describing as "lies" ideas which liberals honestly believe. The liberals may be mistaken-- I think they often are, though not all the time-- but a "mistake" is not a "lie". And certainly a "debatable opinion" is not a "lie". Save the word "lie" for instances when you can prove the speaker *knows* he is saying something false. If each political side assumes no honesty whatever on the other side, that's the end of civil debate and civilized politics and the beginning of civiil war.

kathleen
You are not going far enough.

Government spending was 9% of GDP during FDR. It is now 20%, and likely to grow substantially during The One's period on the throne. Spending was < 4% of GDP before 1929.

Maybe this is the way it is supposed to be for a country that has chased industry away with over the top enviro-regulations and high corporate taxes (and will continue to chase industry away if cap and trade is implemented)

EPA - don't need it. It was a Nixon's brain fart.

Get government out of the energy business.

Dept of Education -- agree 100% Let the states do this by themselves.

Corporate tax rate to 10%

Flat tax is appealing but we the taxpayer will have to giveon this.

Life is full of compromise. And as much as I hate paying progressive income taxes I would be willing to give on this if Government committed to being no more than 10% of GDP (1/2 current size)


Exxon, and "Big Oil"
FACT: so-called "Big Oil" own, or control 10% or less of the world's oil reserves. Hardly enough to control the price.

FACT: there is more untapped oil off the coast of California, in ANWR, and in subsalt regions in the Gulf of Mexico than there is proved reserves in Saudi Arabia. We don't have to be at the mercy of Persian Gulf states, and the activity of getting to it would create many, many, high paying jobs.

FACT: The value of the dollar to the EURO reached record levels (weakest) during 2008.

Now I ask. If a company makes a record profit, measured in US$ when the US$ is at it weakest level to the EURO does that really signify a record? I wonder how that record would stand up in "real" US$ terms.

BTW - Exxon is the largest traded company in the world. It is not unreasonable that they would make the most money.

What needs to be done.
It is ironic that now, as we deal with a deep recession, our new leaders want to spend one trillion dollars. They don't have it; they just want to print it.

Flat Tax
Low capital gains tax
Get rid of the Dept of Educ, Surgeon General, etc.
Cut government spending by one third.
Cut off all foreign aid.

Exxon
Hey, Paul, never considered it, but maybe if Exxon ran the country we'd be in better shape. .

Two major liberal myths are that "big oil" makes "obscene profits" (whatever that is) and contols the price at the gas pump. Truth is, "big oil" companies are likely to have a smaller profit margin (key word: margin) than other big companies such as Google.

One thing EXXON does is produce something that has monetary value...that adds to the GNP. Government does nothing but consume.
Exxon and other successful companies constantly, and seriously, search for ways to produce more at less expense. They are forced to do this to survive. Government has no incentive to aviod waste. "Cutting fat" is a priority only when campaigning.
All goverment officials must do to stay employed is promise people something that will supposedly benefit them for the short term (at least until the next election). If there is too much waste...well, it will only increase next years budget.

To: baseballdoc #42, paul #32
I agree with your boom/bust descriptions.

Let me add that these booms and busts are made worse by gov't intervention. For example, Congress passed laws that forced banks to lend to people who could not manage a loan. This drove up demand for housing and magnified the "boom". They then saw the bust coming in the housing market, but refused to stop meddling. The oversized boom was then followed by an oversized bust.

To: old progrmr #41
A word of caution. Your description of a Socialist Utopia has (to an undiscerning reader) some appeal to it. I mean, you wrote, "... No more poverty... everybody is [given] a car, free healthcare" and on and on.

Wouldn't your energy be better spent expounding on why this scenario is a bad idea? Or better yet, why a capialism-based system would create greater prosperity, higher standards of living, etc. than a socialism-based one?

In other words, teach, don't taunt. I've found most liberals to be people who truly want what's best, for themselves and for the country. It's our job to teach them (and I know, it's frustratingly hard somethimes) that our way does a better job of accomplishing the goals they want.

PAUL CA @ 2:39

.....How's the tax situation in CA? ....what are your options? ...Federal bailout or bankruptcy? ...

.....I don't think you have much room to be calling people morons ...

.....Lassez-Faire Capitalism (which is an ideal because we don't have it) is always prone to boom and bust cycles ...when demand is greater than supply we have a boom ...when supply outpaces demand we have a bust ...

.....I hope you can understand this because I cannot make it any simpler ...the law of supply and demand in economics is as imutable as the law of gravity in physics ...

.....If human nature had the discipline to moderate during the boom then perhaps the inevitable bust could be avoided then government would have no excuse to step in with their socialist solutions which never work ...

.....FDR tried it in 1932 and prolonged the Depression untill 1941 ...Obama is following FDR's blueprint so why should the results be any different the second time around? ...

.....BTW I live in Texas and we have a budget surplus and no State income tax ...eat your heart out genius .....COLOSSUS

I Know What Leftists Want
After all of the recent comments by the leftists, I have finally figured out what they envision as their Socialist Utopia.

First, it is now obvious that these leftists believe that all wealth should belong to the state. Not just the means of production, ala Marx, but all wealth. Thar's why they keep talking about Federal Dollars.

If you accept this premise, then the Final Solution is obvious. For all intent and purposes, everybody will work for or be beholding to the Federal Government. The Elitist Leftists will then allocate wealth as they see fit. This essentially means a 100 percent tax rate for everybody. No more rich people. The Elite Left will decide how much every family gets based on rules they alone establish. No more capitalism. No more risk/reward. No more bosses. No more poverty. No more people in need. Everybody is on medicare, everybody is on social security.

Just think, no more pollution, everybody is given the same model "green" car manufactured by the state owned car company. Everybody has free healthcare, with a government agency telling you just what treatment and drugs you can have. No more coal, no more nuclear, no more Big Oil, the government energy commission will allocate energy as it sees fit, extracted from government controlled windmills and solar farms. If not enough energy is available, central planning will decide who gets what is available. No more unemployment, everybody will be assigned a job in some government managed enterprise. Skills are unimportant, competence is just another capitalistic trick to keep the privileged on top. All outcomes are equal now.

Admit it lefties, this is exactly what you want. Everybody equal, except for those in control; the elite will get more since they now control everything. They deserve more, ya know!

To: Paul #33
Paul, you wrote, "Well Exxon had the power to rip us off at the gas pump." Two points here:

#1 - Exxon did not force you to pay anything for their product. You may have not liked the price of their product, but you still voluntarily paid for it. Contrast this with the government, which does in fact force us to pay for its products (our public schools, for example) whether we want to buy them or not.

#2 - Assume for a moment that Exxon and company have "cornered the market" on gas. I imagine you think this is the case. Please realize that in a free market, the "rip off" high price of gas would attract newcomers to the market. These people would build stores to compete with Exxon and cause the price of gas to fall. The primary reason this does not happen is because THE GOVERNMENT established laws that build very high (expensive) entry costs into this market. This keeps the would-be newcomers out and allows existing companies to keep their prices needlessly high.

The answer: remove the Gov't interference.

Huh?
Some of the comments I read here have very strange distortions of both fact and history.Firstly,yes,it's true that FDR didn't end the great depression.He never even really tried to end it.He only made the terrible economic circumstances more palatable so that he could get re-elected...and it worked again and again.Secondly,Lincoln did indeed act extra-constitutionally for his first few months in office,but,and it's a very big BUT,as soon as congress came into session,he took every single decision he'd made and gave them to congress to either radify,overturn or come up with a better idea.They radified virtually every decision he'd made.When you're trying to save a union,you can stretch the constitution a bit,just so long as you restore it after the crisis is over.When the history of this era is finally written correctly...in maybe 100 years,they will probably wonder why America voted for a man who simply bought the office at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. for nearly 3/4's of a Billion dollars.History can only be lived in the current time,but,can only be written after the fire and smoke are gone.

The analogies are endless…

Yes, the analogies are endless and I love them because they are true reflections of the virtues of what is GOOD and what is BAD. In politics, as in sports, the GOOD and BAD come into clear focus in the extremes. Yet, in politics the playing field is manipulated from outside by those with a self-serving desire for influence and power that has corrupted our institutions to the point of no return; unless WE THE PEOPLE make sure that the playing field is not manipulated.

What is the answer?...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience has shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evidences a design to reduce them under absolute Authoritarianism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these United States of America; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present Congress is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Autocracy over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

SUBMIT YOUR FACTS:
http://incongress.blogtownhall.com/


13Bravo you're welcome, My favorites are

"I like much the idea of framing a government,which should go on of itself,peaceably,without needing continual recurrence.."

Thomas Jefferson 12/20/1787
(this debunks the living constitution theory)


"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without a rebellion. the people cannot be all and always well informed.The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of facts they misconceive, If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,it is a lethargy, The forerunner of death to the public's liberty...
And what country can preserve it's liberties if it's rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? ...
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.It's natures manure..."

Thomas Jefferson 11/13/1787






question for Paul in Ca
Why is it you libs always want to punish the rich?

My son started a business out of college that eventually empolyed 100 people all making over 100K a year and paying a ton in taxes....sounds very patriotic to me and we conservatives, that's what America is all about, remember?

So, now under bambi and his band of merry taxers, he and good guys like him are the evil rich and should pay even more than they do now all to support the lazy, stupid fools who elected this marxist.

Any wonder we of the productive class have no use for liberals and their stupid ideas which have almost destroyed this country over the last 50 years.

When my boy gets his ducks in a row, he will close the doors and retire early rather than continue supporting the bums on the entitlement class, losers all but they sure love liberals.

That's a lot of folks out on the street because of taxes, get it?

Rip Off at the Gas Pump?
Paul, you're very confused about the goods you buy. Government just takes it off the top -- it doesn't risk anything, it doesn't produce anything. If given a chance to reduce taxes when prices are sky-high just to help little old you out, do you think government would help you out?

OH, WAIT. They did have a chance last summer and, they ...... DIDN'T.

Criticism from California, Paul? Hah!
So things are AOK with you libs in California? Have you got it just the way you want it? Bet you want a bailout from us morons, huh?

Liberty
Well Exxon had the power to rip us off at the gas pump.

We will see if Obama's policies work
I tell you what morons come back in four years we will see how Obama's policies effect our economy. I can tell you one thing I won't be scratching my head and asking myself what went wrong with the economy in four years.

Listen you clueless neo clowns supply side economic policies lead to a stock market crash in 1928, 1987 (under Reagans second term) and 2008 under the chimp boy Bush.

Listen how many times does history have to repeat it's self before you learn?

To: Paul #28
It's a shame you seem unable to state your point of view without calling someone a moron.

Yes, research and development have been driven by government expenditures. What you must remember, though, is that the money spent by the government had to be first either taken from the private sector in taxes or borrowed from the private sector. Both ways leave less money for use there. The government didn't "create" anything, it just altered what the money was spent on. You only recognize the benefit of the gov't spending; you must also take into consideration the cost of it.

Separately, roads, seaports, etc. are legitimate areas of gov't spending. Check out your Constitution and you'll find it right there in Article I, Section 8.

Government is a necessary part of civilized society, but only when it is limited as I mentioned before.

reply to posters
a poster writes: "How else can one characterize schools that give Sacajawea more pages in their textbooks than George Washington?"

Which history book is this?
I strongly doubt this.
And I know it is not the case for high school texts.
Sounds like a conservative (like “urban”) myth.

Edna,
I like the poem.
But it is factually inaccurate.
Prayer is allowed for students. Hopefully, not during
class time. And interestingly, classes on religion,
especially the Bible are on the increase.
It’s too bad the student feels this way or is
made to feel this way by someone (or his peers) who does not know the law.

Lynne,
Some specifics would be nice.
Btw, if you’re ever asked a question on Jaywalking
and you would like to be on tv – answer it wrong and seem a little confused.
It could be your big break!

13Bravo,
Again a specific textbook name would be helpful.

To: Paul #25
Paul, it is a myth that "conservatives don't like government" and by extension, that liberals do. The real difference is in the kind of government we prefer.

Liberals prefer an expansive government that is involved in as many facets of peoples' lives as possible. This is because liberals believe in an inherent goodness of governmental power.

Conservatives prefer a limited government that only has power to do those things that individual people cannot or will not do (run a military, operate courts, print money, etc). This is because conservatives believe in the inherent "badness" of governmental power - the "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" idea.

By the way, Exxon cannot "run the country" because it does not have the power to force anyone to do anything. It can't pass laws or arrest people for resisting it's wishes.

M sederoff
Well if we cut the taxes on the rich and borrow from them instead they don't help our economy any way. And by the way research and development by the government has created many of our technologies utililize by private business. Not to mention the infrastructure the Government has provided so companies can transport their goods and services.

The point I was making you moron is that it was massive government intervention that ended the depression.

What's the difference between what's in
fashion and what's important?

This quote tells me nothing:

“We’ve got to teach history based not on what’s in fashion but what’s important …If we forget what we did, we won’t know who we are. I’m warning of an eradication of the American memory that could result, ultimately, in an erosion of the American spirit.”

Unless the quote simply means that we should
teach history more than current events.

But if it means what is important - that
changes with current events. For instance
during the Cold War the war to use to
understand the world was WWII, but then with
the collapse of the Soviet Union, WWI's legacy
seemed to leap frog WWII with the conflicts
and liberations that took place.

This is just one example.

Here is a recent example the success of Barack
Obama what was the link / lineage that
connected him to the past - some said Lincoln,
some JFK, some RFK, some McGovern, some Carter,
some Reagan.

I take it most of us don't take the runs of
McGovern and RFK as that important. The
results for McGovern are important and what
happened to RFK is also important, but if this
is what Reagan is talking about is giving
him a lot of credit. And pretty much every
thing that ever happened is important.

So in conclusion what is in fashion necessarily
tells us what is important.
Bosnia/Kosovo/Serbia became in fashion, if
current events are "the fashion" and what had
seemed more important has been less so since
the break up.

The history news network does a good job with
showing the historical importance of fashionable topics:
http://hnn.us/



To: Paul #23
Paul, please remember, this is a conservative blog.

Over on liberal blogs, calling people names shows the intensity of your feelings and readers take you more seriously.

Here on a conservative blog, calling people names shows a lack of confidence in your facts and arguments and readers take you less seriously.

Regarding your "real facts". Corporate tax rates were only modestly raised during WWII. The 90% levels you mention happened after the war was over.

Big Government
So you don't like Government? Should we let Exxon run the country?

Paul
So, you think the answer to an economic downturn is for the government to create jobs paid for by America's wealthy?

What happens when America's wealthy decides they've had enough and they leave the country? What happens when more of America's businesses, many of which belong to the wealthy, also leave the country? Who will pay for make-work programs then?

We see a good example of what happens when government punishes the productive in order to reward the unproductive in the State of California. Their population is so badly in decline that the governor and his wife have to get on television and beg people to come to California and live. Arnold says "So, what are you waiting for?" Maybe the answer should be "For you to stop stealing the hard earned money of your state's citizens."

It happened in California and it will happen in the United States. Government DOES NOT create wealth. It only consumes it.

Medved is nothing but an idiot
Yes Government intervention did not help us get out of the great depression. It was supply side economics that got us out of the great depression. Yes when WWII came along they slashed the tax rates on big corporations and they reduced the size of Government. Is that how it happened Medved you moron.

The real fact is when WWII came along the Government raise the corporate tax rate to over 90%. The percentage of government spending as a percentage of GDP was the highest rate in the history of our country.

The real fact is that Government produced most of the jobs during WWII and raised taxes on the rich to the highest rate in the nations histroy.

It is funny if you ask Michael the moron Medved about our current economic conditions he uses the war in Iraq as an excuss for our faultering economy. Then he turns around and says WWII was the reason we recovered from the depression.

Many thanks
to whoever sprayed the moonbat repellent and set up the scaretroll!!!


-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Re: The Biggest Lie!!!
Given the political make up of this country it would be a lie to say that every politican on the hill in Washington is going to serve their public in a represntive way without self convictions and self greed for power and money!! The truth of the matter is that most of the people in congress are motivated by self interests and have forgotten that they are there to serve the people-yes and that means even Obamarxist and all his little Obots!!!!

Post on the articles that preceded book
if the book is anything like the articles
he wrote last year - check Medved's columns -
the book will be garbage.

Check the columns and the posters I think the
posters who disagreed with his conclusions (and
some of his facts were either wrong or distorted)
won the day. Almost all 10 of them. There were
some that were less criticized - so maybe he
scored 20%

Government Trust in the people
A true test for government would be to trust the people to pay taxes. Let the people vote with their money. The tax form would have categories to which the voter(tax payer) would donate their dollars. Some of the categories would be:
--National Defense
--Education
--Health Care
--Congressional Salry and Pensions
Roads and Bridges
o just mention a few.

The each person could contribute their self-determined fair share.

Now wouldn't that really demonstrate that government's trust in it's citizens.

The New Deal did do
remarkable things it turned a moderate recession into a major depression. Pretty remarkable in and of itself. FDR also did other remarkable things like start the process of the polictics of personal destruction. Turn serious issues into unimportant sound bits were the public cared nothing for the facts and only for the appearance of caring.

Ten Big Lies
The “American Spirit” is not what it used to be by far. It has been greatly dampened by soft living, degraded principles and morals, and the easy temptation to the eroding/corroding influence of socialistic government. The seeds of the spirit may still be barely dormant but any crisis usually causes instant reflex reaction of blame other than the self and a frantic effort, almost panic, to find an external force to bail them out and not the “can do” for myself attitude and action of our pioneer forefathers (and mothers). The Roman empire and every great power declined in very similar circumstances; we are on our way to second or even third world status unless we actually muster the energy and intestinal fortitude to bail ourselves out…and government better get the h—l out of the way!

curious
Does Medved really not see that the Schlessinger quote does nothing to support his side, and in fact directly opposes what he is trying to show? The idea that the New Deal did precious little to help people get out of the depression is just about the opposite of the idea that the New Deal did remarkable things, although came short of full recovery.

And while it is doubtful than anyone really has the cartoon view that Medved is challenging in his 5th lie, why is it relevant that the founding fathers were more afraid of government than of the kind of big business today which did not exist at the time of the founding fathers? What a bizarre appeal to senseless authority.

THE NOBLE EXPERIMENT HAS FAILED

.....The Founders dream of a Constitutional Representative Republic is no more ...

.....There were many mileposts along the way ...the Civil War and Lincoln's power grab of Federal Government power ...TR's socialist views and "Trust Busting" ...1913 and the 16TH & 17TH Amendments and the Federal Reserve ...and then FDR's contempt for the Constitution and admiration of Soviet Communism ...

.....We have gone too far down the road of European Socialism to turn back now ...it's over folks .....COLOSSUS

Lynne @8:13am
You are so right. As a lover of history I have kept the history textbooks from when I was a child. Recently I was visiting my mother’s house and found my collection. I reread these only to find how ridiculous things have become. The history textbooks I use in my college class have little to do with actual history and more to do with trying to paint America as a racist empire that has been run by evil white guys. If not for one conservative professor I would have thrown up my hands in disgust and walked away.

Edna Eagle and Seawolf
Thank you for the quotes. I will add them to my collection of great quotes from great Americans.

History as taught in the schools
Luckily, my kids and I, over the years, have managed to find and collect various History text books from the schools they attended.
Generally, when a new edition of a History text was issued, the old ones were collected and burned! We managed to get a few...
They are a revelation. We USED to be taught what happened--when it happened--what was good and bad for the country because it happened--and it was usually suggested that we actually THINK about what historical events meant to us in our present day!
Now, what is taught is history as the Liberals WISH it had been--or wish it had not been. Dates, people,& events are jumbled and no longer in any sort of chronological order. Present day history textbooks even assign current day spins on past events!
The high school student of today cannot be blamed for actually believing this garbage--they are never told the truth, and never encouraged to think for themselves.
Do you remember being given tests to see if we knew the people of history by their pics and/or their deeds? Do you remember being quizzed on who the faces from "Time Magazine" covers were and what they contributed?
Nowdays--Jay Leno points out every week that none of the young people know the first thing about any current events, or their effect on their world. Most don't even know who the last President was! Worse--they seem almost proud of the fact; as though they have so many more important things to remember...
The quote "those who will not learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them" comes to mind...

FIXING OR BREAKING OR BOTH?
So here we have a government that is 'broken' and their answer to 'fixing' it is to 'break' the Country with trillions of debt. If they don't know where the first $350 million went, how in the world will they keep track of a trillion?
Then there's the Constitution, which isn't 'broken' (except by the liberal politicians who either have never read it in the first place, or simply choose to disregard it), but BY GOLLY they're going to 'FIX' our Constitution by 'breaking' it.
The odds of our government or our economy ever being 'fixed' are 'nil' and 'none'.

Thanks to Edna and
I would add this from Madison;
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

To me, that makes ALL welfare and pet pork projects unconstitutional...perhaps the magic one would be well advised to read the framers quotes. He won't of course because they conflict with his marxist philosophy.

Now this fool wants to undo every program Mr Bush used that kept the country safe since 9/11 so that other countries and I guess the terrorists will like us again.

I shudder to think of what will happen in this country over the next four years because the stupid and the greedy elected this clown.

Plehi
You're welcome

Edna, thank you
Haven't seen this before, I'm making a copy now.Thanks!

Our History speaks the Truth

"Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

Thomas Jefferson

"Government is like fire, a handy servant but a dangerous monster"

George Washington

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny,
When the government fears the people, there is Liberty!"

Thomas Jefferson

"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority"

Benjamin Franklin

"The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is,
As a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

Thomas Jefferson

"Freedom is a fragile thing, and is never more than one generation away from extinction. It is not ours by inheritance, it must be defended constantly by each generation for it comes only once to a people. Those who have known freedom and then lost it, have never known it again."

Ronald Regan

The Freedom LIE

I received this in an email from a friend it was written by a 15 year old high school
student (I don't know the authors name)


NEW School prayer :


Now I sit me down in school

Where praying is against the rule

For this great nation under God

Finds mention of Him very odd.

If Scripture now the class recites,

It violates the Bill of Rights.

And anytime my head I bow

Becomes a Federal matter now.

Our hair can be purple, orange or green,

That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.

The law is specific, the law is precise.

Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

For praying in a public hall

Might offend someone with no faith at all.

In silence alone we must meditate,

God's name is prohibited by the state.

We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,

And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks..

They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.

To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,

And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.

It's 'inappropriate' to teach right from wrong,

We're taught that such 'judgments' do not belong.

We can get our condoms and birth controls,

Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.

But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,

No word of God must reach this crowd.

It's scary here I must confess,

When chaos reigns the school's a mess.

So, Lord, this silent plea I make:

Should I be shot; My soul please take!

Amen

Please pass this on.

The biggest lie is YouOweMe
From the land of Kanukistan where Grabby Hands are everywhere, I would say that the cry of a government employee about to be sacked for poor performance, I AM ENTITLED TO MY ENTITLEMENTS! is our national anthem now, and THEY OWE YOU! is what go the Obamination elected.

America is filled with warring Interest Groups who are convinced that everybody else Owes Them. Even the porn industry is demanding a bailout now!

From the whining brat in the grocery store to Larry Flynt, America believes now that Somebody Owes It, and it is going to sit on its butt and whine until it gets what Somebody Owes. This is not what made America great.

REMEMBER
Remember what government did to Microsoft. Bill Gates is still the wealthiest man on the planet, but the American taxpaying stockholders of Microsoft were financially devastated had they not sold their stock before governments interferrence.
And IF only through 'Government' can a Countrys economy flourish, how come the majority of Countrys worldwide, all having 'Governments', HAVE NOT flourished economically?

Here's what gets me...
...the Lib's complaintsssss [sic] over the current administration's handling of issues regarding defense; claiming too much government intervention.
Yet when it comes to entitlements the Libs insist upon intervention and more intervention and then some more intervention...

The most important bit of this article..
...is the Reagan quote.

The Left has made most of its gains through the major communicative media: the press and the public schools. Both these organs have concentrated on eliminating all trace of American history from the minds of Americans. How else can one characterize schools that give Sacajawea more pages in their textbooks than George Washington?

A nation that has no consciousness of history will learn nothing from it, which is exactly what the Left desires. Ann Coulter noted in one of her books that to a leftist, every day comes as a complete surprise, as if the world were born only that morning. That's the best imaginable womb from which to bear institutions with absolute power over the rest of us.

Good article

Good Article. Unfortunately too complex for Liberals to understand.
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