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Friday, June 01, 2007
Rebecca Hagelin :: Townhall.com Columnist
Readers "Blow Off Steam" Over Male-Bashing
by Rebecca Hagelin
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A few weeks ago, as the controversy over Don Imus and the Rutgers University women’s basketball team was brewing, I wrote a column highlighting a certain double standard. Why, I wondered, does no one take up for one of the only groups of people it’s politically correct to insult -- males?

White males in particular, especially if they’re fathers, are routinely portrayed as lazy dolts in the mass media. I’m a wife and mother of two teenage sons who are being raised in an anti-male media culture -- a culture that far too often spews the mantra of radical feminism. The guys in my life are good, decent men. It makes me sick each time “their kind” is attacked in commercials, television shows, print ads -- you name it.

“Where’s the outrage?” I asked. I then invited readers to respond.

Wow. Did they ever! As a conservative columnist who has written candidly about some controversial topics, I’ve had my share of e-mails. But nothing topped the river of e-mails that flooded my in-box. About 99 percent were completely supportive, thanking me for broaching the topic -- a topic they were grateful to vent about themselves. As more than one reader wrote, “Thanks for letting me blow off steam.”

A lot of people were just glad someone stood up and said what was on their minds. “I’m glad I saw your story ‘Imus, white males and PC discrimination’,” a typical reader wrote. “I had begun to think that maybe I was the only one who noticed this or that I was just being paranoid.” Some were upset, but others faced the topic with humor, such one who wrote: “Thanks for standing up for us morons.”

They came from all walks of life. I heard from truck drivers, college students, grandfathers and fathers. Some had witnessed the double standard in their profession:

“As an attorney, I have handled many cases where good Dads are falsely accused of abuse. The courts and the authorities give the allegations credibility simply because the allegations have been made by a woman. There seems to be a mentality that all women are honorable and would never manipulate the system. Unfortunately, the presumption of innocence does not apply when a man is accused, e.g., the Duke Lacrosse team.”

Plenty of women chimed in, too, on behalf of husbands and sons:

“Our son graduated from high school last year. It was amazing to watch during his senior year how several of his teachers reacted to him when he stated he was joining the military. (He's currently in the U.S. Coast Guard.) Talk about hostility.”

Another wrote:

“My 27-year-old daughter and I are forever marveling at how contemptuously men are portrayed in everything from TV commercials to sitcoms and even some movies. The feminist influence is so obvious and I can't help but wonder why no one raises a complaint against it. That is why I was so glad to see your column. It's about time someone said something about this outrageous discrimination.”

A few readers went further and theorized about why such a double standard exists:

“One major reason is that males have been taught from a very young age that "You don't hit girls"… Throughout my life, I've heard such statements as: "Boys don't hit girls" or "If a girl hits you, don't be a coward and hit her back." But it's also been ingrained into the male mentality that males don't verbally attack females. Therefore, if a female calls a male a pig, for example, a gentleman does not retaliate, even making a complaint is viewed as him acting somewhat like a sissy.”

Another reader noted that “females tend to band together and protect each other and stand up for each other. Males seem to be more individualistic.” Others agreed, including one who said: “Because we don't want to sound like whiners, I think most of the white male population is just willing to keep our mouths shut and move on.”

If you’d like to read what others had to say, please visit www.HomeInvasion.org. (You can add your thoughts as well.) The notes I appreciated the most were from fellow parents. As one woman wrote:

“My husband and I are raising two teenage boys. We homeschool, yet they are still inundated with the media portrayal of men as incompetent oafs. It just breaks my heart. Why in our society do we sit back and tolerate this nonsense? Oh, that's right ... because if we (meaning conservative Christians) do speak out, we're labeled ‘INTOLERANT.’ Please, Rebecca, keep speaking out on behalf of our young men and continue to encourage the rest of us to do the same.”

You can count on it. Who knows? Maybe if we speak up on behalf of the men in our lives, we can turn this trend around. Let’s start today.

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Isn't it amazing
that those women who are most anti-feminist (even those with high-paying salaries, thank you very much), are the ones who are the busiest defending men. They don't just say bad things about women who essentially have said "we are NOT the initial cause of evil in this world and therefore must be relegated 2nd class citizenry" but they feel they must also prop up the king of creation. HMMMM.

If men are indeed the king of creation, can't they prop themselves up. It doesn't always take violence, you know. Believing in yourself makes
a big difference.

I think that a whole lot of this nonsense talk would go away if a whole lot of men would marry the mother of their children, support them, show love for them, and guide them to maturity. - in other words, be a real man. Unfortunately, too
many women have had to be both mom and pop to
their children, often to the detriment of all.

Women (feminist or not) are not the enemy.
Women did not take power away from men. Women asked for a right to follow their dreams and have
a say in the society they are a part of and in
the legal system under which they are judged.
If men have lost their own power, it is because
they either expected too much power at the direct
expense of others, or they have thrown it away.
I wonder how many have done just that because they feel that they are only powerful if they have legal and societal affirmation of their power.

There are several posters on this site that would
suggest that is exactly where they are.
Blame the women. It is all their fault. I
would still be king of the hill, if only .......


To Dave Stone
Just for the record, after trying to make sense
out of your post and failing, anti-feminism is a
whole lot closer the the Middle Eastern culture
than to any present European culture. Who is
calling whom names here?

I am glad, however, that we do not rely on your
approval for our sense of well-being. Are women
the only ones who are capable of bad mouthing and
hating. I think you have proven otherwise.

Where's Demosthenes
I have decided not to read the posts here, but
just stick to your column. But I did do a
quick look down the line to see who was posting
and was thunderstruck that Demosthenes has not yet weighed in with his paragraph after paragraph of pasted and inaccurate statistics.

I haven't watched a new sitcom since Jerry Seinfeld and Frasier ended, so maybe I don't know
what I am talking about. But I think that you
are seeing way too much into things when you say
"White males in particular, especially if they’re fathers, are routinely portrayed as lazy dolts in the mass media." Where is this happening? I try to avoid ads also but even when
you channel surf it is almost impossible to avoid
ads and I just don't know what you are talking
about. Am I really that desensitized?

I do see comedy routines from time to time that
openly make fun of men, but I write that off in
the same way as I write off "honky" as an insult
even if it is meant to be. Ditto dumb blonde jokes. That sort of thing is only bothersome if you feel threatened.

So I am curious as to why certain men (or women who feel obliged to protect their men) feel threatened by this? Do they still believe that
they have to have "father knows best" fare to maintain their position of pre-eminence
to feel like men. I know that sounds sort of pc,
but it is a serious question for me. At what
point does it become hurtful? Do you really
think that when men are portrayed in such a
manner (if they are) that it is threatening to their position in society? Do you feel threatened when a dumb blonde appears on the screen?

Quote of a quote in your column: "“As an attorney, I have handled many cases where good Dads are falsely accused of abuse. The courts and the authorities give the allegations credibility simply because the allegations have been made by a woman. " If someone makes an
allegation of abuse, it would be an assumption that the officials would give it credibility
until it isn't credible. That is their job. To ignore an allegation could be dangerous. If the women are always WINNING in the quotees cases, maybe the quotee isn't a good lawyer.

Second quote of a quote: "Talk about hostility.”
This is in regard to a high school graduate going
into the military. First, from what school
did he graduate! My son went into the military
and not a single person made a derogatory
remark. If they had I cannot image that it was
a "male" thing, but a political thing. It seems
to me that this person just wanted to bellyache
about feminists, and this was the best she could
come up with.

"A few readers went further and theorized about why such a double standard exists" I thought that part of conservatism was that there is and
should be a double standard. That men and women
are not alike, don't have the same sensibilities,
etc etc etc. And yes, girls do band together and
boys tend not too. That is part of the differences.

You may have a real point. But I don't think you
have proved it with this column. I am aware from
past columns that you take every opportunity to
bash feminism for which I take great umbrage. Feminism is not the bad guy on TV but it sure is on Town Hall. Do you care? Life is so very unfair. At least this time, you did say "radical feminism" for which I thank you for
not lumping us all together. You know as well as
I that this is the exception, not the rule.

h AZ Phil, thanks for responding
99% divorce cases don't favor women and custody of children. I might concede, 70%. Depending on the issue of domestic violence, abuse or infidelity on the part of the husband and father.
Joint custody is the most common situation. Especially if both parents have to work full time.
Can we take these issues down to their real components?

It's only the last few decades that there has been more equity in marriage and divorce. Perhaps our society hasn't adjusted to the very real problem of marriages failing and women, most often taking serious financial damage because of it.
Mothers don't have the luxury of maintaining their jobs at the level that keeps them progressing and financially secure, in case of a marriage crisis or failure.

But the power structure since the sixties, has been owned and operated by a field of men who share the same sort of background and sense of entitlement.
It's the entitlements that have taken more hits, than men themselves.

As for images and comportment in the media.
The ad execs, studio heads, commercial media creative bodies, are still a white man's domain. Many of them VERY young too, raised in situations where the father WASN'T dominant the way they used to be portrayed.
Newsflash, the Cleavers weren't real. And neither did they reflect the real lives and situations most families confronted, even with the male/female model, ok?

If you're this bothered by media fantasy, than doing something about what's really happening, then no wonder there is no confidence in the men who used to run everything.

talent scout writes...
"Feminism is what is wrong with American Politics"

I agree completely! Can you imagine a man carrying on the way Nancy Pelosi did on her first day as Speaker of the House? That is "leadership"??????????

Women seem to have great difficulty being in charge without being offensive.

At our house, we laugh as we watch the various tv shows that show women, women, women in all types of power positions...usually they are young enough to make you wonder where/when they gained all that expertise. And yet the writers/directors believe they are producing quality programming??? Get a clue, guys, we aren't buying your views no matter how hard you try...it just makes you look sillier and sillier - and we keep tuning out!

Hopefully the scales of justice in our society will balance things out before we lose what those before us worked so hard to attain. Our great country must survive!

Media Mail Bashing
Although not a father, I too find myself alarmed at male-bashing in the media. Young boys and girls both desperately need adult male examples of virtue.

This is only another facet of the consequences we suffer by our society's bashing of authority as a whole--from that of God to the minister to primary authority in the home--the father.

The Modern Media Cesspool
I couldn't agree more with the comments on this thread regarding the bashing of white male Christians.I have railed against these portrayals myself(I yell at the television a lot).I'm also fascinated with another attitude that is quite prevalent,I call it the "A little bit of injustice is fair because it makes up for all the injustice you and your white European Christian cohorts have inflicted on the world" syndrome.This justification of the exact same racism,sexism,religious intolerance,and bigotry that minorities complain about is just the same old dog droppings in a shiny new box.Dress it up as you will,it still stinks.
I am also offended by other aspects of the media
swill factory.One example is the commercial for a jewelry store (I forget which one)that shows a mother putting on a favorite video for her two small children loading them up with snacks and abandoning them as she lures a man (her husband?)into the bedroom to "thank" him for buying her a diamond.Why not just come right out and call women gold digging whores?This along with the general coarsening of the culture,in which out and out cruelty passes as humor,and scatological references (the pregnancy test which promotes itself as "the finest piece of technology you'll ever pee on")are commonplace.While I understand that bodily functions are something that we all are aware of,I think we can aim higher in public.
Much of today's media culture whether it's commercials,the news or other programming seems to wallow in the lowest common denominator.

DUNCAN HUNTER, the real man in the race
Manly virtues are most completely embodied by only one Presidential Candidate, Congressman DUNCAN HUNTER.

Besides McCain, Hunter is the only one who, when of age to serve his country during wartime, answered the call, serving courageously in combat in Vietnam. Besides McCain, Hunter is the only one who raised a son to wear the uniform and risk his life for his country.

And more than any of the other candidates, HUNTER is clear, direct, firm, and unapologetic about securing our border. Though he is certainly a gentleman, he cares little for PC niceties when the security and economic strength of our nation is at stake.

At a personal level, HUNTER is one of the few viable candidates who has been an honorable husband and excellent role model for his sons.

Far as I am concerned
Feminism is what is wrong with American Politics.

Forget TV, you can turn that nonsense off any time.

When we have females in positions of power acting if they are the ones who have the God given right to define what the male is, we get very confused young men.

Glad I grew up when masculinity was still respected, and feel sorry for the young men of today, who are not taught the virtue of his own sex by strong males.
Still many around though

(Maybe the old timers had it right and did not even allow women to vote. Just a thought! lol)

Women today brag about being able to do the same jobs men do, whoopee.

Where was that attitude throughout world history before the world was tamed?

lol

I love talking to hear myself talk sometimes, well and start a good argument too.






drolmorg
Ditto re: tv/movie watching. They are making the movies for the kids now...no plots/mysteries or quality acting. I know of very few adults who go to a movie theater.

It worries me because these kids are so impressionable - and they are definitely being brainwashed by the television/movie industries.

How can we reverse this despicable trend????

And also
As a female, I get very insulted if I watch a commercial seeing the bumbling hubby who can't manage a thing, until smart savvy wife comes in and takes over.

It really kills me that the marketing industry would think I'd be more apt to purchase a product
because it mades a man look foolish.


My White Male Jewish Nephew...
Tries with all his might to act like a black guy. Ever since he turned 12, after watching TV and movies, listening to music, and seeing what's going on in the pop culture, my little Jewish white nephew has learned to be embarrassed about who he is and where he comes from.

So, he thinks he's P-Diddy. He walks around with the pants that don't cover his butt, he's got the chains of cheap gaudy jewelry around his neck, and he speaks like.....oh my dare I say, like Jesse Jackson with a hang over and no one to race bait.

I guess I find it comical and poke fun at him after he comes out of his room, trying to be Snoop Dog, and I remind him, "Hey! Guess what! You're still a white kid!! Woot!"


Male bashing
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!! I cannot wait to show a copy of the article to my friends. We talk about this all the time and wonder how come no one has complained before, and with the attitude it is difficult to defend yourself without coming under worst attack.

@Post^It
Probably the best comment I've read on Townhall so far.

I consider myself a pretty principled guy, but when I see someone who is more principled, I do get uncomfortable with my own failings. I wouldn't use the word "offended", but I'm definitely not as comfortable as normally. Fortunately, most of the time I just get motivation to get better. It is also true, though, that when I see someone that I consider inferior in some way, I am not offended - I get an ego boost - definitely not a motivation to improve myself.

It's good to see it finally recognized
It's like Hank Hill (of King of the Hill)says...
"It's got so the only person I'm allowed to hate is myself."

Whether it was originally meant to be or not that statement is a recognition of the fact that white anglo saxon male christians are the only goup that it is politically correct to hate.

One hero for males: Glenn Sacks. Look him up.

Here's one
In Texas about a year ago the Public station KERA was running an add I had to sit down and watch in disbelief:

A large black woman (the boss) was chiding her underlings in a clearly condescending tone about good investments like public broadcasting.

Oh, her underlings, 5 or 6 old, fat, white guys all looking guilty and one young black male looking attentive--no other females.

My jaw dropped.

I sent an email to KERA asking them to switch everything around.

Use a large white boss with large elderly black females and one young white female. Keep the expressions and tone but obviously change the langauge to fit the sexes.

Then report on the hate mail they recieve.

... Still waiting.

Bro. Mike
Thanks for giving an exact year - 1963 - I know I've watched and listened as the politically correct have taken over our country since the 60s. Gone forever are the values that guided our citizens to accepted civilized behavior and manner of speaking. I am constantly shocked when young (and not so young-perhaps from the 60s era) use the F-word in public with no qualms of who they might be offending.

As the mother of two males, now in their forties, I have had to watch as they experienced slight after slight, whether vying for a job (sorry, the white male is last on the list unless he knows someone)or just being respected on a daily basis.

My thoughts are that those who follow the politically correct agenda usually don't care that much for authority or following the generally accepted rules of society. It is quite apparent that those in the homosexual community, both male and female, don't like men very much...nor women with high standards. Therefore they enjoy belittling men and tempting the young women to act and dress like little streetwalkers.

Self-respect seems to be a thing of the past, but it sure helped us attain success in our lives!

Offensiveness is less offensive.
Obviously, a big part of this is the Social Antigravity doing their best to undermine society, as usual. That doesn't explain why the audience accepts it, though.

To me, it seems that the answer for that is "offensive" things are less offensive to a corrupted audience than principled things. For example, a figure of strong, noble masculinity would offend weak and unprincipled men, offend the women who hate men or have chosen lesser men for husbands, offend the children who hate their own weak fathers.

On the other hand, rap music, an art form that's in dogfight with pornography for the title of "most degraded", does not offend because it sets an example that's worse than the way the listener is living.

Pride is comparative. A man with no shoes feels sick when he sees men with shoes, but is relieved when a man comes along with no feet. A woman who's slept with half the town feels superior to a woman who's slept with half the county, but has an evil, simmering hate for a virgin. As long as there's someone worse than you, you have an handy tool to dull your own conscience and continue living life wrong.


yankette
The women aren't driving all the time. Haven't you seen the one where they are lost cause he made a wrong turn and she is showing him how to use the onboard navigation. Then there's the one where he backs into a tree and she is handling the insurance claim over the cell phone. Or how about where he has a flat and she wants to know why he didn't get the new tires put on like she told him to.

Yeah, if the commercial needs a klutz driving put hubby behind the wheel.

I have found
The best response to the perception that males are dolts, is to be an excellent male. Step up and volunteer for something, make some tracks for others to follow, and live so that others can say only good things about your accomplishments. They may not like you personally but they will probably like what you do. The Boy Scouts organization is a good place to start, and it provides the opportunity and place to teach boys how to be a good man.

BE PREPARED!

my random thoughts...
- ever notice any other races in those caveman commercials (you all know what I'm talking about) such as a black caveman, hispanic, asian? or even a 'cavewoman' etc.

- most, if not all car commercials that feature a couple have the woman driving. Not that there is anything wrong with that in itself - just that you wouldn't have seen that many years ago and I feel it shows negative empowerment for women.

Exceptions
The Lord of the Rings trilogy
Raising Helen with Kate Hudson
Kate and Leopold with Meg Ryan
Cinderella Man with whats his name
any others?

Who holds the power and why?
Commericals on daytime and prime time T.V. are geared to women because thats who is watching. If its NASCAR,or sports men are most often shown in a better light. Hollywood is so far left, that the only men who will be shown in a positive light are gay. Some of this thinking comes from the attempt to distroy the power of the man in the home, and the Religous history with the man the spiritual leader of the hime. Its a proven fact that children from a stable home with a man and a woman who have even avg. parenting skills, will do better than kids from broken homes. There are dead beat dads, and there are mothers by name only, but God has a plan for the family, and when that plan is in place it works best.

Commercials
It's pretty rare that I watch any fictional TV at all, so I can't speak to that, but the commercials are outrageous.

There's always a cry for "minorities" (i.e. non-white males) to have "proportional" representation in every aspect of society, with essentially equal status. Television programming seems to have transformed the notion of "proportional" into a complete travesty. Those ridiculous home security system ads are one example. Everybody knows only evil white males break into houses. Perfectly proportional. Any chance you'll see a commercial with a non-white male doing it? Don't hold your breath. Too many whining hypocrites might take offense.

Not gonna happen
Good luck Rebecca. Our nation is over as we once knew it. We are currently a 'Dead Man Walking'. Like all great nations, they are destroyed from within and the cancer called liberalism that now infects America is terminal. The ever changing demographic makeup of our nation and its love of legalized theft will see to it that another conservative leader never sees office again. We are a mirror of the Roman Empire in its final death throws.

redkoolaidstate
You're probably right, that is to say correct, we should all be above being offended by these little stereo types and misrepresentations. Tell you what, start producing some television shows that portray homosexuals as flaming bed hopping deviants, their friends are lazy stealing Hispanics and their next door neighbor is a lesbian abortion doctor who comes home bragging about how many babies she murdered that day. The commercials can be for Cadillac, you know have a black man with a water-mellon driving to the wellfare office. Then you can explain to everyone that you are a moderate white male and they shouldn't be so thinned skinned about all this.

Thanks Rebecca
Thanks for having the courage to talk about this.
I am sure at some point you will hear from NOW.

It's good to see other people see what many men have been saying for years.

Today's companies use ad agencies to do there dirty work. White males are easy targets for these agencies for one reason. White males are the only
"non government certified minority" so they don't have to fear law suits from the ACLU and add in the endless sitcoms that portray "primarily white males" as morons and you have a complete package that has worked for a number of years now.

Over the last 5 years I have watched the media celebration of Fathers Day decline while Mothers Day ads start a month in advance. The same companies that run ads for MD do not run one for FD. Then you have the companies like Outback Steakhouse that spit in the face of fathers with there MD song that is run non stop for a month.
There is one line in there that flat out states there in "no need" for fathers and the line is "everything I am I owe to mum" I would hope all
males do as I have done never eat there again, stop taking mum to a place that thinks your worthless but they want your money, tells you a lot about Outback. I could go on with many others but I would be considered a whiner.

So I will just say thanks again and ask that you help us and start by nnot going to Outback Steakhouse.



Fathers
May I suggest if you are a father of boys and a Christian that you read
Raising a Modern Day Knight by Robert Lewis

http://www.amazon.com/Raising-Modern-Day-Knight-Fathers-Authentic/dp/1589973097/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-0971114-6819128?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1180719812&sr=8-1

Wow, do I know what you mean
I have a (female) friend who sends me quite unfunny "jokes" all the time via email. These jokes are always at the expense of men. She has a somewhat contentious relationship with her husband; I'm fortunate enough to enjoy a wonderful, sharing, balanced relationship with mine. I can't imagine saying those kinds of things about my husband.

Or my father. Or my brothers. Or my nephews. My family is filled with good, decent men, "good ol' boys" in the best sense of the word. There is an element of truth in nearly every stereotype I can think of, and I'm sure that the dumb, bumbling white male is out there, but why do we have to have him forced on us at every turn by a media and culture that is supposed to embrace diversity?

I started thinking of the TV shows that I like to watch, wondering if these biases are present, and I came up with what I think is a pretty significant exception: the "CSI" franchise. All three CSI teams are led by straight white men who are portrayed as tough, intelligent, and compassionate. The minority and female characters work and fight side by side with their white male counterparts, and little to no issue is made of their minority status. The women aren't put on a pedestal or portrayed as being smarter or tougher than the men. In fact, everyone's on pretty equal footing, with no big deal being made of it all.

Likewise, "CSI" has no problem making the bad guy be a woman, or a minority. The serial killer known as the Miniature Killer on the Las Vegas show is a good example of what I mean.

But yes, I'm tired of the male-bashing, too. I never understood what the big deal was about the show "Everybody Loves Raymond." It was a one-joke show, and a pretty tired joke at that.

Easy targets
I stopped watching network TV. I can always tell who the culprit will be – the typical Christian, cold hearted, rich white male. Sometimes they will be questioning Christian beliefs. If they’re having an affair most of the time it’s with another man.

One of my favorite shows on TV is “The Shield.” I know most people would disagree because it tends to be violent but the criminals portrayed are pretty close to reality. And one of the male characters questioning his sexuality is a black male.

On commercials they’re portrayed as idiots or metrosexuals.

The minorities shown are almost always religious, (if culprits) sorry for a crime, (if in positions of authority) always fair minded.

Role Models
I am a mother of two young boys and my concern is not discrimination, I don't think anyone is claiming that, but it is how men are portrayed in the media and how this will affect the self concept of boys growing up in America. The formula is so predictable. Men are: unkempt, vain, unattractive (balding and overweight) unenlightened and foolish braggarts while women are attractive, intelligent, progressive, open-minded and informed. Another variation is the admirable, confident and heroic man of yesteryear replaced by a sniveling apologetic weak girly man whose guilt and repentence simply for being male is abraisive to watch.
It is imperative that young boys have fathers or someone to model for them what it means to be an authentic, strong, faithful and honorable male of integrity, grit and courage. As it is they receive a cultural expectation to be sloppy cads.

du
I'm crawling out from under my rock long enough to reply. I think there are many white men in power, yes. I just think the not-so-subtle digs at living white men (see column) and dead ones (George Washington owned slaves, Christopher Columbus was a jacka$$, etc) is pretty one-sided.

As far as your claims of "without merit", you have a point, but are 99% of women involved in divorce/custody cases really "better"? I kind of doubt it, but that's the way most courts see it.

Don
Thanks for noticing. To me it was very obvious. I haven't seen a white male judge on the bench in any t.v. show or in the movies in quite some time. If it wasn't done on purpose, we would only see minority judges about 10-15% of the time. If you dare mention it, the name calling begins.

Blatant Bias
What about all of the Teacher & Student Sex Scandals of the past few years, ALL OF THEM, Female Teacher & Male Student. If it were Male Teachers, their Jewels would by flying from the Schoolyard Flagpole by Sundown!

Redstatesredkoolaid
Another poster already pointed out that gay men weren't included in this group....of course you don't "see what the fuss is about".

Notable line
Hagelin writes:

"The guys in my life are good, decent men."

That usually goes along with being a 'good, decent woman'.

The concept of a totally innocent woman being abused by some brute of a man sells well on daytime soaps and audience-participation shows like Jerry Springer, but in reality the blame is nearly always split when a male-female relationship sours.

Hagelin is correct that this underlying truth has been largely obscured by the direction chosen by the media in recent years.

nan, azphil....
You don't think you have enough white, Christian, heterosexual male, alpha representation in who is running what, often without merit?

You really don't think you have enough, who can enforce the dominance
and power of this group? Or at the very least seems to have faltered in this, for the last three decades?

Have you been under a rock all your lives...or just in a bubble?


DavidMac
You've hit the nail on the head with your Homer Simpson reference.

I watched that show exactly one time and swore I'd never watch it again. The complete and total disregard for Homer by his own kids was too much.

Worse, "The Simpsons" came up in a conversation with the husband of a long-time friend, and his assessment was that it was a "wondeful" show.

It's bad enough that we have Hollywood demeaning American husbands and fathers without many of those same husbands and fathers buying into it.

It's all the "I Love Lucy" show's fault
as well as other shows of the "Looney Dame" variety, such as "I Married Joan," and "The George Burns and Gracy." These two or three shows made a lot of laughs at the expense of their "ditzy" comedienne characters. There was a difference back then though inasmuch as the characters were all beloved wives and or mothers who really cared for their homes and families. The fact that most men will work themselves to death providing for their families is rarely expressed in popular entertainment. There is a truth that men do not possess relationship skills to the same degree as women. At the same time however, men will put up with a crappy job, horrific coworkers, and interminable commutes without complaint. Yes, Mom does work, but if some co-worker looks at her funny, then hubby gets treated to an six-act opera about how miserable her work life is, and how she needs to work someplace else, where she is better appreciated. If men changed jobs as much as women do, just because their "feelings" got hurt, the IS GDP would be cut in half. One real distinction between males and females is that while males focus too much on ends, women obsess too much about means.

-Trentamj

Nan
We can't form our own group, because we'll get picked on for that, too.

I'm guessing you're a woman by your name. Now, maybe you can help me with this question: Why do The Citadel, VMI, and the like have to admit women (1000 guys and two women - nothing can go wrong there), but Wellesley, Vassar, etc are under no pressure to admit men?

Commercials
It's the same, or worse, in commercials (luckily I now have the DVR thing). Any time there is a man and a woman in a commercial, the man is always a dolt and the woman rescues him. Part of this could have to do with money - advertisers think this appeals to women, and that men are pretty apathetic about it, which we are.

And not saying men are smarter, but we at least know not to watch "Lifetime" and get ourseleves riled up over nothing. If you notice, there are only two plots - the evil, adulterous husband is mean to the saintly wife, or the evil, adulterous husband is plotting to kill his long-suffering wife. There are variations, but not many.

Not to stray off subject, but it is the same with religion - every religion EXCEPT Christianity must be taken seriously. Maybe there should be a show with a gay Islamic star. Just a thought.

Male bashing
One reason why I think this happens, commercials are often based upon comparing one product to another. They often try to use "humor" to accomplish this. So what you frequently see is one dumb dolt using the competitor's product, and one smart person using the sponsor's product.

Well, if they use a woman or a nonwhite person as the "dumb dolt," women's groups and groups such as the NAACP, La Raza, etc., will scream bloody murder. White males are the only people who don't have a group to yell, scream discrimination, and threaten demonstrations and boycotts on their behalf. So therefore, white males are the ones who get picked on.

On TV dramas, it does seem as though they bend over backwards to portray women and nonwhites as noble and brilliant, and white males as the bad guys. I'll never forget an episode of Beverly Hills 90210 where a carful of white male gang members shot a woman in a random drive-by shooting. The victim was rushed to the hospital, where she was cared for by dedicated, caring emergency room personnel...ALL female and/or minority. The police detective assigned to the case was a brilliant black male who vowed to find and prosecute those scumbags who had committed this crime!

Now, when was the last time you heard about an all-white gang driving around committing drive-bys? Television bends over backwards to portray women and nonwhites as intelligent, hard-working, and noble. But since they still need "bad guys," that task falls to the white male.

Maybe white males need a group, similar to NOW or the NAACP, to fight on their behalf.

Its an old story
When I was in college back in 1963, we had a professor who warned the class about the trend in television programing that portrayed white males as idiots and fools who needed to be saved from themselves by women. This was the era that began the modern day feminist movement.
This have only changed for the worse in 2007.

I Agree That A Lot Of..
...media portrayal of men both in the states and the UK is irritating. In Blighty we have an advert (commercial) for a car sales showroom where a female customer says there would be room for an ex-boyfriend in the boot (trunk) if his head was removed. Hilarious obviously(!?!?!), not so funny if it was a man discussing dismembering his ex-girlfriend. However to paraphrase what the great Homer J Simpson once said to Bart "it's a double standard son and most of them work in our favour so don't knock it!!"
To claim that white heterosexual men are being persecuted seems to stretch credulity a little too far.

I like the commercials
You know, the ones for the major home repair chains like Builders Square, Home Depot, etc. Never fails that the little woman is having to show her clumsy, bumbling hubby which end of the hammer hits the nail. When she gets him into the store they are waited on by an equally petite and all knowing young lady who exchanges knowing smiles and knods with wife over how lost the poor man is in a hardware store.

Good essay, Rebecca
What you are analyzing is the Homer Simpson Syndrome.

White male bashing is "in" with the Hollywood crowd. They need villains, and because Hollywood is so very PC, they can't portray minorities, females, Muslims, etc. as villains, so they have to go after WMC (White Male Christians).

Even when a black or minority is cast as a bad guy, he's not REALLY all that bad, just a victim of circumstances. When was the last time you saw a totally bad black character? Training Day?How many terrorists are portrayed as IRA goons instead of radical Muslim religious fanatics?

When women are portrayed as villians, they are shown as being driven to it by others. WMC's, however, are purebred evil.

It's ironic that the brunt of fighting the radical IslamoFascists is being done by WMC's, yet Hollywood considers them worse than the enemy (the Rosie Tactic). The movie "Jarhead" portrayed the white guys as terribly flawed US Marines. The movie "Dead Presidents" (Vietnam War) portrayed blacks as doing all the fighting with all NCO's and officers as whites. I can't believe that Hollywood still believes that 40-year old leftist propaganda.


Wow guess us White
Male moderates just aren't as thin skinned as Conservative white men...Either that or we don't need to whine about how we're being dissed.

Over time I've learned as a Suburban white male in America I have it pretty d-mn good! I've watched when I was in the Military in Germany where I could walk into any store and be ignored, while my friend Bobby would be followed everywhere he went because he was black.

I've worked for Managers at 2 Company's, both Fortune 500, who behind closed doors said they would not hire a woman because then you have to deal with Maternity leave and sick kids.

At 7 pm on any night myself and 3 of my white buddies can drive through our Suburb without fear of being bothered...But make that 4 black men in the car and it's a near guarantee you will see that car pulled over.

Man, trying to take that poor poor me position that Conservatives seem to have, but it's not happening.

The real lunacy of this story is all of these people "complaining" LOVE Larry the Cable Guy, a man who has amassed a $40M fortune making fun of fat, lazy, not so bright white American men!?!?!?!?!?


A Man and His Wife
I have been blessed with a great marriage for over 30 years. Over these years my wife has been questioned by some of her female acquaintances as to whether it was difficult for her to live with a man who was not in touch with his feminine side nor a metrosexual nor a beta man (whatever the heck that is).
She has used this ready answer "I would'nt want it any other way"...

I just never thought about it b4
I think its possible/probable a lot of us already know that men are NOT bumbling lazy dolts. For every bad guy, there seems to be plenty of good guys out there stopping him.

'laziness' on my part -

I don't think many people are portrayed realistically on TV. I usually ignore it.(tv)

Rebecca
Rebecca, you're a dish, no offense intended. And you are a sweetheart for taking up the gauntlet for us white guys. My wife appreciates it, too.

I continue to watch less and less television, and enjoy it more. Hell, I'd rather read stuff on Townhall.

Women look foolish
This has happened, but if and only if there are no men in the ad( except maybe for boys).

One of many problems
with "prime time" TV. The only way things will change is the market. Don't support sponsors of the bad programming, or at least inform them of their support against traditional values! Thank God for some of the shows on TV LAND! Look at Ward Cleaver, Andy Griffith, Ben Cartright, at least there is some remnants left on the tube.

So Predictable
for about 10 years now there hasn't been a white, male judge, captain, boss, leader, DA, or any kind of decision maker on TV. Whenever the characters say "Let's go ask the chief" I KNOW it's going to be a woman, a black woman or, at the very least, a black man. Forget a white, male judge; they disappeared a long time ago. If there's a bafoon in a story line or, especially, a commercial it's an easy bet it's the white male...or if not the white male, a black male but heaven forbid it's a woman....

I've been barking at the TV for years about this and though I was the only one. there's some solice knowing now that I'm not. I've written sponsors but they don't care.

I've felt for years ...
that Hollywood seemed to have it in for white males. As noted above, gay men are more positively portrayed as well as are black men. However, over time, I've come to believe otherwise. I think it's more of an example of what appears to be more prevalent amoungst the leftists. Intellectual laziness. The "According to Jim/s" type series are too easy and really don't require a lot of mental gymnastics to pull off.

Feminism and human history.
Over the past 30-40 years the women's movement, under the banner of feminism, has evolved into a fully fledged crime against humanity. Nothing more, nothing less.

This will be fully recognised and widely acknowledged in time. And for reasons considerably more serious than the mantra of feminist hate that is constantly being delivered to the people of all Western cultures by their ivory tower media, academic and political gurus.

As was the case during the those dark times in history that preceded and prevailed during all periods of mass human foolishness, extremism and the quasi-religious, self destructive conformity that was, for a time, achieved with the threat of marginalization, ruin, and sometimes even physical destruction - feminism is totally dependent upon the effect of what George Orwell once described as 'politicized language'. Which "is designed to make lies sound truthful" and "to give an impression of solidarity to pure wind".

But as history has repeatedly demonstrated such 'wind' has always had a limited life span. And as history has also demonstrated, the 'climate' of human belief, once the 'landscape' of truth, decency and the quality of human life has seen to have been devastated by a particular type of ideological storm, is not only never allowed to blow that way again - but even the scent of those early messages that were initially delivered on a relatively fresh gentle breeze, will forever be deemed to have been foul.

Enter, with a cause, the tunnel of extremism, particularly of the sort whose central gospel is a fantasy which chooses to embrace hatred along the way, and you emerge as the hated, with that cause destroyed, right back to its roots, right back to a time before its disciples had begun to deform its shape to enable it to have entered that tunnel of dishonesty and loathing.

Feminism is a monstrous ideological crime. And it is unwittingly paving the way towards a future in which women will be looked upon, and perhaps even treated, with wary, scornful contempt.

The lessons of history are vitally important, because they repeatedly tell us that, in the long term, reality and truth always has time on its side. Social and political illusions are eternal losers.

Men on TV
Not quite true. Gay and bi-sexual men get highly favorable TV coverage, as do most male animals.

Don't discuss divorce
and custody..unless you want to send me into an apoplexy. Suffice to say that the family court in America is the one place that Islamic Sharia law is very well alive and operational..the only difference being which gender gets the shaft.

The most hated person in the world:
White, heterosexual, Christian, Fat, Rich, Man who smokes cigarettes.

HE'S the one who did it. Always. Whatever was done. On TV or in the news.

Hollyweird is getting ...well, more weird. Are Nazis the ONLY white bad guys they can find? Or white Supremists?

I never minded when they came up with some of the femme fatales that currently infest the airwaves, but let's get serious - they cannot do the job of kicking the snot out of the bad guys that a man can do.

One last thing: why is a man's opinion worth less than a woman's? Why is a woman not held for ANY blame when she KNOWINGLY gets HERSELF drunk? It is always the man's fault for 'taking advantage' of the poor helpless little thing.

And if you REALLY want to get me STARTED, we can discuss divorce/custody....
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