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Friday, March 30, 2007
Rebecca Hagelin :: Townhall.com Columnist
Ethanol: Time to steer away
by Rebecca Hagelin
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Good news: President Bush and Congress have found an energy policy they can agree on.

Bad news: They both want to expand the use of ethanol.

This week, in fact, President Bush has been busy pushing corn. On Tuesday, he and Energy Secretary Sam Bodman visited the U.S. Postal Service Vehicle Maintenance Facility to see a demonstration of some alternative-fuel trucks. The day before, the president met with Detroit automakers, who urged him to improve consumer access to ethanol.

This mutual enthusiasm for the corn-based fuel may be good for the political environment, but not for the physical one. A new paper by The Heritage Foundation’s Ben Lieberman road-tests the latest boondoggle from Washington and finds that its earth-friendly claims are seriously overblown. So, too, is the notion that using more ethanol reduces oil imports and lowers prices at the pump. Worse, increased ethanol use drives up other consumer costs.

Well, you may ask, does anyone stand to benefit? Sure, Lieberman says: corn farmers and ethanol producers.

The jump in ethanol use certainly didn’t come about because of a groundswell of popular demand; it came about, like so many bad ideas, because of a government mandate. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 required that 4 billion gallons of renewable fuel (mostly ethanol) be added to the gasoline supply last year. It goes up to 4.7 billion this year and to 7.5 billion in 2012. But ethanol lowers fuel economy -- according to the Department of Energy, a gallon of ethanol contains only two-thirds the energy content of a gallon of gasoline.

And you’re actually paying more for less performance. It’s difficult, Lieberman notes, to transport ethanol from its Midwestern home base to far-off markets, and that adds to the price you pay at the pump. Ethanol can’t be sent in an energy-efficient way through pipelines like gasoline can, because it would be contaminated by moisture along the way. Ethanol must be shipped instead by trucks, barges and railroads.

And that brings us to ethanol’s environmental impact. After all, shipping by truck, barge or rail uses … well, fossil fuels. So the more ethanol we move, the more fossil fuel we use -- which, Al Gore and Company tell us repeatedly, spews the greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming. In addition, all that extra corn farming means more fertilizer and pesticide use, along with increased irrigation. More diesel fuel will be needed to run the tractors and the harvesters.

In the end, Lieberman concludes, ethanol may wind up putting about as much carbon dioxide into the air as it takes out. So, from an environmental perspective, we’ll be paying more to more or less maintain the status quo.

The problems with ethanol don’t end there, though. The congressional mandate to put ethanol in the pumps also pumps up your grocery bill. As Lieberman writes:

“Ethanol use at current levels has also led to skyrocketing corn prices as the available supply is split between food and fuel uses. This has led to higher prices for corn products and things such as corn-fed meat. The U.S. Department of Agriculture predicts that the ethanol mandate will continue to apply upward pressure on food prices in the coming years. Even the price of tortillas, the dietary staple of many low-income Mexicans, has been affected.”

Faced with these facts, you might think that lawmakers would be scrambling to repeal the ethanol mandate. Instead, they’re planning to expand it. The president has announced that he wants to increase it nearly fivefold, to 35 billion gallons by 2017, and ethanol supporters in Congress are ready to follow suit. That’s music to the “ears” of corn farmers, who also profit from tariffs that limit ethanol imports, such as sugar-derived ethanol from Brazil -- which, Lieberman says, is produced more efficiently than the corn-based variety.

Of course, domestic corn production can’t really support such a large boost in ethanol production, so President Bush has promised more money for “cellulosic” ethanol, which is made from wood chips, grasses, agricultural waste and other plant materials. But as Lieberman points out, the track record for federally-directed research into alternative energy isn’t good.

Has Congress forgotten the Carter-era experience with “syn-fuels,” a costly federal program to make motor fuels from coal? Not surprisingly, it was a complete failure. “If past experience with Washington’s attempts to choose alternative-energy winners and losers is any guide,” Lieberman writes, “cellulosic ethanol will fall considerably short of the current hype.”

If Congress and the president truly want to help, they should get out of the fuel business altogether. Repeal the tariff on ethanol imports and the ethanol mandate. Let the free market decide which green-friendly fuel policies prevail. Because when it comes to energy policy, ordinary Americans are the ones who belong in the driver’s seat.

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One more head in the sand
We are going to pay more for fuel no matter who's in charge. We can either pay corn farmers or arab sheiks. This is a no brainer for me.

If the nay sayers would come up with a better idea, I would be more than happy to support it. They haven't.

Even if we give the oil companies all the lee way they want for drilling it will only delay the inevitable.

Until the time we have a technological break through in any direction, the current economic choice is ethanol. It apparently works on a large scale in Brazil.

Bleeding Heart Liberal
You were right in one thing you wrote: "This is a no brainer for me".

Ethanol fuel is absolutely an idea for people with no brains.


Some good points, but...
The author fails to mention that there is basically no substitute for fossil fuels. They have been so cheap for so long that we (stupidly) fashioned a society and economy that is now totally dependent upon them.

Yes, the market will eventually sort out which alternatives will prevail. But there is a real possibility that none of them, or all of them combined, will be sufficient to replace petroleum in any meaningful way. See the report released this very day on oil by the GAO (www.gao.gov).

We are like the Titanic headed for the iceberg except that, here, nobody is even attempting to steer away.

For a lighter look at ethanol,
check out Scatbug's blog post on Castro and Chavez taking pot shots at ethanol. You really don't want these two geniuses on your side:

http://scatbug.townhall.com/g/83835382-c542-4132-9631-d4a2c25f582d

ugly trruth
Brazil is energy independent because ethanol and all thoughs oil wells along their coast.

BrianR
"Ethanol fuel is absolutely an idea for people with no brains."

Touché! LOL Another one of those unintended consequences of liberal initiatives.

Actually, it's my contention, that everything liberals have proposed creates a carnage of waste and destruction. And yet they keep getting their way because they and their sh*t ideas are never judged by results and consequences, but merely on their hyped intentions.

If liberalism was an enterprise that had to survive on its own, it would fail of its own stupidity. But we know that it doesn't exist independently - it feeds on the productivity of others. In reality it's a pestilence, a plague, a parasitic infestation on the body politic that will eventually destroy the host i.e. if we don't destroy it first.

Brian, there is going to come a time when these liars with no brains nor consciousness of their evil destruction will have to be fought with more than words.

Liberal?
Who do you think is pushing ethanol? LIberals? No more than conservatives. Sheesh. Don't be so reflexive.

Acetate: No bloody doubt
"Brian, there is going to come a time when these liars with no brains nor consciousness of their evil destruction will have to be fought with more than words"

Unfortunately correct.

Why do you think the 2nd amendment is so important?

And why do you think the Left hates it so?

Res ipsa loquitur.


Ethanol makes no chemical sense
Since energy is released from fuel by oxidation, it is crass to use a fuel that is already partly oxidised (C2H5OH). And Mrs Hagelin is completely right about its hygroscopic nature, making transport far more expensive. Pushing ethanol is pure politics, not science and not even environmentalism.

I have said this many times and
I'll say it again. The energy bill of 2005 was a mass of pork and produced no energy. I expect that the Dems will revisit it in the next year or so before they are thrown out in 2008. When they revisit it the pork and government largess will only increase.

The Incovenient Truth-The Carbon Cycle
Unless we go to Hydrogen fuel (or Nuclear), all fuels produce carbon dioxide. The inconvenient truth for the wackos like Algore is there is a carbon cycle in nature that recycles carbon dioxide. Did you know that every dead leaf and every dead stalk of corn rots through the action of bacteria and fungus and turns into...horrors...carbon dioxide? The idea that there is more CO2 produced by automobiles than there are leaves on trees is absurd. In fact, when the liberals cremate one of their own who died of a drug overdose; it turns into CO2 as well. Every time Algore talks and breathes out his hot air, he produces CO2. Without CO2 all the plants would die. Then we would all die. Maybe that is what the liberal nuts want.

Yep, I kid you not, the carbon from your engines goes into plants to produce oxygen and glucose (sugar), but it also goes into the ocean in phytoplankton to feed the sea life and make coral reefs, sea shells, foraminiferan tests, and limestone. There is a natural carbon sink in nature. Are the environmentalist nuts aware of the carbon cycle? If so, why is it they seldom mention it? Could it be an inconvient truth?

Need to take a second look
It is easy to shoot down any idea that has flaws, and ignore the pros.
Any time a topic is discussed I wish the writers would clarify there points.
Let me begin my doing a brief examination of the above article.
Ethanol will most definitely release as much Co2 in to the atmosphere as it absorbs. You do need more than a 7th grade understanding of plant photosynthesis and cellular resperation to understand that. In case you do not have one here is an extremely short breif. Plants convert co2 into sugar (energy) that energy is released again as Co2. The idea behind ethanol as environmentally is because it offers no net increase in CO2. In other words CO2 buried under the earth is not released into the atmosphere. There are also no hazardous waste products and danger of harmful spillage.
When ethanol is discussed people usually come to the table with types of assumptions. I think it will be good to take the time and clear some things up. The following are some fun facts
WW1 was fought on ethanol, and the first internal combustion engines and cars were designed to run on ethanol.
Now to clear things up.
1. You get about 3% decreases in fuel economy. Most cars are not designed to run on ethanol. Ethanol runs cooler and with proper engine modification and design, there is no consumer noticeable difference in fuel economy
2. Ethanol is expensive. This is true from a certain perspective. But examine how much money we pump into the Middle East because of oil interest. Take Iraq for example; how much money is wasted protecting oil interest and funding terrorism. I will deal with topic in virtually every other point. But you can make the argument that the cost of doing buisness with the Middle East will be much more than a few extra pennies.
There are also ideas to offset the cost. For example the use prisoners to farm the crops it is safe and beneficial to all parties.
3. Ethanol is difficult to transport. Also partially true. It is difficult compared oil but it is not as bad as people think. First off because it is assumed that ethanol will replace oil. This is not true. Most ethanol plans call for the reduction oil not the elimination. This is a huge point that is almost always overlooked. What is also false about the statement is the low cost of building ethanol plants. With oil refineries you have environmental and social problems in locating them. Problems people generally do not have with an ethanol plant. People generally would not have a problem living 2 or 3 blocks away from an ethanol plant. The can spaced out as determined by need with our any problems. One major point solved; simply you do not need to transport it very far.
4. Efficiency. Granted corn ethanol is not very efficient and you can only extract a very small percent of the potential energy. Who said Corn is the only source. There are other plants that are being tested all the time. You also have to consider research and development. New enzymes and yeasts that can be developed to improve yield as well as engineering plants whith wit higher yeilds of sugars. Investing back into our own country instead states that sponsor terror. There is a world of promise in ethanol. I often challenge those who use this argument with the analogy of Cancer research or stem cell research. It has not always been very profitable. If we used your logic concerning these things where would we be?
5 The idea that because experiments failed 30 years ago they should not be tried again is completely absurd. Any one remember that old story about how we got the light bulb?

In summary if we all, instead of stating why we "know why something wont work" tried to be honest and admit that we know very little, and expressed our thoughts less definitive, more like "I believe ethanol wont work because...". You have an open mind and a humble attitude that receive a possible response that may change your perspective.

BrainR
Out here in California I know several farmers/ranchers who brew there own. Frot what they tell me at a cost of about 1-1.5 dollars a gallon. Gas prices out here in the Sacramento area are bout 3.20-30 a gallon. According to you these people have no brains. Intersted thought you have there, can you explain to me what it is you have between your ears that would cause you to state "saveing 2 dollars a gallon is stupid".

shubi
Bio fuels release no net increase in CO2.

To jeff
If it is economically beneficial to "brew your own" as you put it, then why do we need the government to mandate it's use? ...and corn is what the government is pushing now.

Vic
Corn is what the government is pushing because it is availbale. Last time I checked politicians are not scientists.
Last Time I checked there was no government mandate on the use of ethanol. It is an attempt to stear the country away from thing that is harming us and towards somthing that can possibly benefit

vic
It may be economically viable for certain farmers because they simply have allot organic waste. I live in an apartment it would not economically beneficial for me to brew my own.


I recently tired, for an experiment, I made ethanol just not enough to do anything with. As I said corn is not the best crop by far but it is available. Best possible yeild is 2.5 gallon per bushel

To Jeff
The column references "The Energy Policy Act of 2005 required that 4 billion gallons of renewable fuel (mostly ethanol) be added to the gasoline supply last year." I used to have this act on my computer but I deleted it so I would have to relocate it to verify.

This ethonol stuff started with Klinton in 1995 (I believe) following a huge campaign donation by ADM. He also had help from Bob Dole (go figure)in getting the ethonol subsidy passed.

Corn is what is being pushed and it's a political thing, not a science thing (just like global warming except that is also a scam thing).

Ethanol not the answer
There are several good arguments above but the bottom line is that corn-based ethanol is not a viable answer to our energy needs. The diversion of a significant portion of the corn crop to ethanol production has already raised the price of corn to the point that all other corn-based products, from livestock feed to corn flakes to corn sweeteners has gone up. Increasing ethanol production will only exacerbate that. Producing higher yields of corn will require higher inputs of petroleum based products like fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides, thus increasing our use of oil to produce more corn to produce ethanol. While some enterprising farmers may be brewing their own, most are going to sell expensive corn to buy even more expensive fuel. Even those who brew their own are operating in a rather circular manner - producing corn to make ethanol to power the tractors to produce corn. Nice little closed loop system but not terribly beneficial to consumers at large.

Cowboy mentioned using the spent corn mass as livestock feed. Very limited usage of this is possible. It can be used for dairy feed but is only economically viable if there is a large (as in 5000 or more cows) dairy near enough to make transportation cheap enough. It has been discovered that the co-product cannot be used as feed for raising meat animals because the protiens have been compromised during production process and the animals will not "finish" with desirable carcasse traits. Given that fact, one could surmise that even as dairy feed, more study would be required to ascertain long term and reproductive effects.

What everybody seems to ignore is that the market place will work if the government gets its big, fat, obtrusive nose out of the way. Every time any product becomes cost prohibitive, either consumers are smart enough to move away and find alternatives or producers are smart enough to come up with an alternative that is desirable (or at the very least acceptable) to consumers and the problem is solved. When the government interferes, no problem will ever be solved. A few posters have mentioned that the ethanol debate is political - well DUH!! And we all know how great politics has been for the world, don't we? When the government grants research money to some entity to study how to produce ethanol more effectively, that is research money that isn't going into something that may work better - in other words, government interference limits research by prescribing the focus. I don't know about you but between my Rep in the House and my two Senators one is a good Conservative but knows very little about science and even less about agriculture and the other two are embarrassments to the bodies in which they serve. Between them, I wouldn't expect the skills to properly toast a bagel, let alone make energy policy. So I don't really care whether the debate is about ethanol, shale oil, nuclear energy for electricity or going back to horse and buggy, we absolutely need to get the government out of the debate.

Safety and Power Issues
The EPA also has encouraged ethanol through restrictions on emissions, and also that forces automakers to reduce the power on cars. Does anyone remember after emissions standards went into play how gasoline dropped a few points on the octane level?

But the real ethanol users are hot-rodders -- yes, the home mechanics who "soup up" their cars for driving on the race tracks of the nation -- are also big ethanol players. The high octane rating on alcohol has played a key role in allowing higher-compression engines to be used.

General Motors developed an advanced version of its Ecotec 4-cylinder engine (used in the Saab 9-3 and 9-5, Chevrolet Cobalt and Malibu, Pontiac G5) where it runs better on 100% ethanol than on any gasoline, mainly because of its ability to have a higher air-to-fuel mixture because of its 106-octane level (vs 87-93 octane for gasoline). The all-booze turbocharged Ecotec, which takes advantage of the high-octane fuel, puts out more power on alcohol than gasoline.

The 106-octane rating and cost savings to 100-octane Sunoco racing fuel makes the incentive to go ethanol enticing for the hot rodder. Even Sunoco and others are considering selling 100% ethanol fuel to racers because racing alcohol is popular.

Furthermore, there is an important safety factor when a car runs on 100% ethanol. Using alcohol fuels exclusively in open-wheel race cars in the United States is a byproduct of a 1964 fire at the Indianapolis 500. Two drivers (including a very popular driver in the USAC level) driving gasoline-powered cars burned to death on the second lap of the 1964 race in a seven-car crash. One driver, driving a methanol-powered racer, had a fuel leak but was able to walk away from the same crash. Sixteen years later, he was a three-time Indianapolis 500 winner, all on methanol.

There has been historically many times where during the methanol era (1965-2005) where firefighters poured just water to douse an alcohol fire.

The Indy Racing League has learned a car running on ethanol is more fuel-efficient than a methanol counterpart, and has cut its fuel tank from 30 gallons to 22 gallons in 2007.

There are many tracks which mandate 100% alcohol fuel because of their safety benefits, especially since you only need water to fight a fire, not chemicals, when it is an alcohol fire.

It's very ironic that the free market of hot-rodders, not the government, is showing the testimony of alcohol fuel as an alternative to petroleum with race cars on alcohol, which has been used in the United States for over 40 years.

"no other source"
Back in the 1890's this new-fangled "electricity" wasn't going to get anywhere because there wasn't enough whale-oil available to run generators to supply it to everyone.

1) Whale oil has been replaced by fossil fuels.

2) Electicity generation doesn't need it anymore.

3) The government didn't fund the switch.

Relevant case example?

Its a lousy boat fuel
Ethenol mixed in gasoline makes for a lousy boat fuel, inboard or outboard. Basic problem is its propensity of absorb water and the infrequency of boat use, especially in the winter. Stuff in the carburator or injectors evaporates until the water is all that is left, which corrodes the heck out of things, like small orifices and other precision parts. All major boat motor manufactures send out all sorts of cautions and precautions for its use - most of which probably get ignored. Aviation fuels do not allow it, most likely because water in the fuel is subject to icing. One of the suggestions for boat fuel is to have a tank of aviation fuel handy to run through the engine before leaving the boat. Of course, getting aviation gasoline is not a simple matter.

Jeff
I hate to pop your cherry, but guess what? Oil IS a biofuel. It comes from the carcasses of long dead plankton, etc. Oil is a more concentrated hydrocarbon source, ergo the higher BTU density.

Bobby: octane rating of ICE fuels refers only to knock resistance, not the energy content of the fuel. This would be extremely important in a turbo engine which is notorious for premaature detonation (engine knock).

Egad.
Having worked with both aviation and ground fuels in a professional capacity, I have to say that there are a lot of pseudo-facts being thrown around without a lot of experience to back them up.

Ethanol is not banned for use as aviation fuel...the Air Force recently test flew a B-52 with an alternative fuel (ethanol-based) supplying all the fuel for one of its engines. Further tests will increase the number of engines run on ethanol-enhanced fuel until the entire aircraft is powered by it. Military fuels have an additive called Fuel System Icing Inhibitor that coalesces water in the fuel (yes, petroleum-only fuels have water contamination too, Ms. Hagelin) so that it can be removed before it gets to the aircraft.

On the other side of the argument, yes, there really is a government mandate to use alternative fuels...but it only applies to government vehicles, and only a percentage of them at that. Ethanol is only one of three main alternative fuels that meet the criteria...the other two are biodiesel and compressed natural gas.

As for Brazil, their ethanol comes from sugar cane, which does have a higher energy release than corn-based ethanol. This has made their transition a lot easier. However, as has been pointed out, corn isn't the only crop that can be raised in our relatively northern climes. From my admittedly non-farmer, non-botanist, non-chemist point of view, I think perhaps the sugar beet might do as well as sugar cane, and we grow them all the way up here in Michigan.

A studied approach beats a hail Mary
James writes, "Air Force recently test flew a B-52 with an alternative fuel (ethanol-based) supplying all the fuel for one of its engines. Further tests will increase the number of engines run on ethanol-enhanced fuel until the entire aircraft is powered by it." Sounds like the Air Force is at least researching the impact of ethenol. That they only ran one engine with ethenol indicates they aren't real sure that they know what they don't know. Of course for we civilians, the great scientists of Congress just threw it out there, to hell with the consequencies. Anyway, even if an additive to coalese the water works for aviation, the problem for boats is the extended storage time between uses and the absorbtion of water during that storage. Also, boats tend to be around high humidity, which makes absorbtion more likely. I am sorry to hear ethenol is making it into aviation gasoline, as that eliminates on option (even if a hard one to implement) for stabilizing the fuel inside an engine.

Ethanol use in America ....
.... makes no sense and never will.

Beginning with the the likes of the poster person for penile dysfunction and former senator for Archer Daniel Midland, Bob Dole, the motivation of those promoting the ethanol scam has always been, is and always will be, purely greed and cynically involves, for the purpose of vote buying, the squandering of Billions of Dollars of the confiscated wealth of America's (and therefore of the world's) most creative, innovative, industrious and productive upon certain of America's least creative, least innovative, least industrious and least productive, in this instance America's new welfare rich: the American "farmer."

And it still takes at least 1.75 barrels of oil to produce a barrel of ethanol and costs almost $4.00 per gallon.

Shades, one might suggest, of the $900.00 toilet seat!

SamT
We don't do any kind of testing by the seat of our pants anymore. Safety of flight is paramount, and even something that could have no conceivable impact is tested thoroughly before we go all-out on using it. I'm sure they knew exactly what to expect when they performed the test.

As for maritime fuel...well, I didn't say a whole lot about it, did I? But know that the Navy's jet fuel stored in aircraft carriers also uses the FSII.

SamT writes that he is ....
.... sorry to hear ethanol is making it into aviation gasoline.

Relax, Sam. It is not and never will.

Turbine engines are like hogs and will run on anything that will flow and burn -- usually kerosene but also gasoline or even whiskey, if you've got some to spare.

And that the bureaucrats in uniform are using one of their redundant B-52s to consume a few Million more of our Dollars and pass some of their in-any-case already wasted time burning up some otherwise soon to evaporate ethanol should not be taken to mean anything more than that some bureaucrats in uniform are using one of their redundant B-52s to consume a few Million more of our Dollars and pass some of their in-any-case already wasted time burning up some in-any-case otherwise soon to evaporate ethanol.

Double Whammy

.....Ethanol Boondoggle ...

.....two of the biggest problems we face today are Government interference with the Free Market and the Green Communist groups (EPA, Sierra Club and assorted enviro-whackos) tying up in the courts all efforts by the Energy Companies to extract oil and Gas from the ground or to build new refineries or Nuclear power plants ...

.....I never thought I would agree with Castro but growing food to power our cars while millions are starving seems somehow obscene .....COLOSSUS

Natural Gas
Our country has proven reserves of Natural Gas that could solve our fuel problems for centuries. Our vehicles would require little or no change to engines. Recent research has found that a tank made from corncobs can even store the gas in a low compression environment making it possible to construct a square or rectangle tank for positionning under the back seat, for instance, to allow duel use. if Congress gave a tax credit for the equipment to fill our tanks from our natural gas lines in our homes, it would encourage the use of this clean burning fuel.
The main drawback to natural gas at this point is the failure of Congress and our states to work out some means of drilling for the product. If the people were allowed to share in the revenue as the people of Alaska are allowed, we would be drilling for natural gas - and running our vehicles on it for as much as a dollar less per gallon.

Whose corn is it anyway?
I'm always amused at our lazy city cousins who think they they are entitled to cheap food and fuel. All these years of being spoiled haven't helped their attitude any. Every year food as a percentage of earnings has dropped allowing them to spend their money on toys and other trinkets.

I've got news. It ain't your corn. If you don't want to pay us a fair price to eat it, we'll sell it to someone else who will pay more. Get used to the idea. Is ethanol the answer to our energy problems? I don't know, but it sure helps our low ag price problem. Just think, now the government doesn't have to shell out money for LDP's. The price is too high. Isn't that the goal, get us off of so called welfare. (Now if we could just do the same for all them gov employees)

But then what is too high? Most folks get raises or COLA every year. We need ever increasing agr prices to keep up so we can buy inputs which are ever increasing in price. Ethanol will help until a better way comes along.

C_Miner
conveinent how your forgot that goverment flipped the switch to oil from ethanol. But thanks for making a point for my position. I recall Diane Fienstiens objection about the arguemnt. SHe said somthing like "I will not be held hostage to corn growers in the midwest" Anyone else think that is laughable considering the current state of world affairs.

baseballdoc
If you consider how much food is produced and it is not a lack of food that causes global starvation, Castro looks like a moron.

Black and White Brian
And Brazil does all this while making a proffit and importing no oil. Maybe they have money trees.

Ethanomics, the Economics behind Ethanol
Today we read how ethanol is going to cure our energy needs; tomorrow we read that ethanol takes more energy to create than it contains. We hear that ethanol is clean, renewable, and will save the farmers; the next article touts that it will inflate food prices and could never make a substantial impact on the United States’ energy needs. Ethanol can compete with gas, others counter with ethanol’s need for a government subsidy. People often ask me about all of these issues and I think it is time we use statistics, facts, and common sense to better understand ethanol. It’s time we apply ethanomics.

Many opponents of ethanol point out that the increase in corn demand from the ethanol industry will drive up the cost of corn and therefore corn based food prices will increase. If everything remains the same and demand for corn increases because of the ethanol industry’s newly created corn demand than basic economics will tell you that corn prices will increase. But everything is not the same. Chief economist Keith Collins of the USDA states that planted and harvested corn acreage will increase in 2007 by 9%. Corn prices over the past several years have been historically low at under $2.00 per bushel. At $2.00 per bushel there is no economic reason for farmers to plant more corn acres because it is tough to make a profit at all. The current price per bushel of corn is $4.00. This higher price has sent farmers a signal to plant and harvest more acreages that for the past several years was not profitable. This is why we are seeing an increase in corn production that will meet the needs of the ethanol industry’s newly formed demand. In the short run, corn prices will increase but the American farmers will answer the call with increased production.

Some dissenters of ethanol claim that it takes more units of energy to create ethanol than the amount of energy it contains. They point to a study by David Pimental of Cornell University; Pimentel states, "about 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in ethanol.” Others point to studies by the USDA and Missouri State University which claim that ethanol has a positive net energy balance. So which is correct? Is there a net energy loss or gain when ethanol is refined? The answer, it doesn’t matter. If we are able to take an abundant, inexpensive source of energy (corn, biomass, etc.) and create a highly demanded and useful energy product (fuel) then why should we care if there is a net gain or loss of energy? Put another way, 22 pinecones contain approximately the same energy value that a gallon of gasoline contains. Using Pimental’s argument, one would conclude that processing or spending of 23 pinecones to make one gallon of fuel is wasteful and unnecessary because you spend more energy than the finished product contains. But it fails to take into account the fact that some energy is more useful and therefore more valuable than other forms of energy. Common sense tells you that turning 100 pinecones into a gallon of fuel is a good idea because pinecones won’t combust in a car.

Other challengers claim that ethanol is a “pie in the sky” idea and can never make any impact on our petroleum imports. Facts say otherwise. Let’s focus on Iowa and see what Iowa’s potential for ethanol production has for our fuel needs. Iowa has 31.6 million acres of current farm land (this does not include idle land). The current Corn yield per acre is 163 bushels, this equates to a maximum current capacity of 5.15 billion bushels of corn per year in Iowa (assuming only corn is planted). Current ethanol plants yield 2.8 gallons of ethanol per bushel of corn. The math comes to a maximum current ethanol production of 14.4 billion gallons in Iowa alone. This is more fuel than Iraq, and more fuel than Saudi Arabia export to the United States combined (and over 40% of OPEC imports). These facts do not claim that ethanol can replace our petroleum fuel needs, but it can displace a significant portion. The “pie in the sky” idea may prove to be a great opportunity and a step in the right direction to end our addiction to Middle East imports.
The most popular argument used against ethanol always ends with the fact that ethanol could not make it if the federal government did not subsidize its production. This is true, but nether could oil. Is protection of oil interest by the U.S. military free? Iran’s oil exports account for 40-50% of the government budget. Should we subsidize U.S. farmers or Iran’s nuclear program?

Ethanol can not fulfill all of our petroleum needs with current production technology. But the ethanol industry is young, gallons per bushel are steadily climbing, corn yields per acre are on the rise, and we have just begun to scratch the surface of ethanol from cellulose. We can’t put all of our eggs in the ethanol basket, but we certainly cannot continue to put all of our eggs in the Middle East’s basket. It’s time we trade subsidizing Middle East terrorism for Midwest freedom, and it starts with taking the first step in supporting ethanol.



Rain
You are either right or wrong, depending on how I interpret "The answer, it doesn’t matter. If we are able to take an abundant, inexpensive source of energy (corn, biomass, etc.) and create a highly demanded and useful energy product (fuel) then why should we care if there is a net gain or loss of energy?"

Yes, if 1 kCal of potential energy in corn only produces .2 kCal of energy, that does make sense and I agree.

On the other hand, if producing 1kCal of corn energy takes 2 kCal of petrochemical energy, then it makes no sense, as we could just use the 2kCal of petrochemicals and come out ahead.

So, your statement depends on whether we are losing low-availability potential energy or high-availability potential energy. Your pinecone example is the first case. However, I have the feeling you are mixing together both types of examples.

I would like to see more from both sides on how much high-availability energy is required vs final available energy, instead of vague claims.

In addtion, I have to say, the free market in the apst has done a fine job of solving shortages (English wood shortage led to coal usage, whale oil shortage led to petrochemicals, etc.) so I am very skeptical of the government trying to supplant the market.

(See "The Doomsday Mayths" for a dozen examples of the free market solving past threats of shortage and deprivation. Seems these "horrible crises" were resolved quickly and without catastrophe by the market alone.)

Free market arguemnt
The free market does not solve everything. Example slavery. There is nothing wrong with government incentive to changing directions of fuel consumption, just as there is nothing wrong with government incentives to make charatible donations.
Having government incentives involved in research and development is not a bad idea. Especially when it comes to alternative forms of energy.
The argument everyone seems to be forgeting is the idea independence from Islamo nutters.

Run for hills
When Congress and the President agree on anything run screaming for the hills. You just know the taxpayer and citizens are about to be screwed. Again. The Federal Government has no part to play in the energy business other than doing its best to remove obstacles from the private sector's development of energy solutions.

Jeff
Slavery was a legal matter, so it had to be solved by governmental action.

How I choose to fuel my car is a private economic matter.

There is a HUGE difference, and to compare the two is to make a specious argument.

The free market does solve energy shortages ina simple way. As a fuel source becomes more scarce, it becomes more expensive. this spurs the investment of funds into alternatives, as the potential profit rises as prices rise. It also encourages private conservation, as the increased price causes people to use less. So, in the end, both solutions the government uses are caused by the free market without government intervention, and without the costs the government action imposes.

So, why waste effort and money on something the free market will do for free? (well, someone will pay for it, but it won't require confiscating taxpayer funds.)

But from your repeated defense of government research into ethanol, I have the feeling you aren't a big fan of the free market.


Misplaced Faith in Free Market
"In addtion, I have to say, the free market in the apst has done a fine job of solving shortages (English wood shortage led to coal usage, whale oil shortage led to petrochemicals, etc.) so I am very skeptical of the government trying to supplant the market."

Look, the free market is fine and good, but these are poor examples. The coal was there waiting to be mined. The oil was there waiting to be extracted. The progression to the use of coal and then oil was gradual and evolutionary. Coal and oil came out ahead because they were plentiful and were much more energy dense than wood (indeed, oil is still just about the most energy dense fuel we have access to, if you put aside nuclear fuel which is obviously a whole 'nother ballgame).

The transition off of oil is likely to be less gradual and revolutionary, rather than evolutionary. There is no superior energy source that we know of, i.e. there is nothing out there just waiting to be chipped out of a seam and burned that is superior to coal, and there is no liquid in the ground superior to oil. This is a problem. I'm not saying the free market will do a better job at figuring out solutions than the government, but the free market can't work miracles. It can't conjure energy that isn't there, only figure our ways of exploiting what is there. All the technology in the world won't turn a pile of gravel into a barrel of oil, no matter how much capital is thrown at it.

Also
You note that the free market will respond to scarcity by raising the price, leading to substitutes, etc. Well, currently a gallon of gas in California is about $3.20. What if that went up to $10 a gallon and all the substitutes were at least that much? Could you afford that? How many people here could?

Prices may rise, but not everyone will be in a position to afford to pay. It's called demand destruction.

Responding to Jeff
There would be nothing wrong with Government involvement in a lot of things if only we were guaranteed some measure of success. But almost invariably involvement of the Federal Government leads to waste, corruption, inefficiencies and often downright failure. All at a massive cost to the taxpayer. Its a given with the corrupt Congress we have.

Again
This is the second day in a row I have had to explain why government intervention and socialist solutions are a bad idea. And these people are serious.

Where have you been for the past 2 decades? Don't you recall the former USSR? The way even Sweden stepped back from the socialist brink? How even China is changing from a communist hellhole to a klpetocratic, semi-market hellhole?

Outside ofCuba, Venezuela and Harvard, soes anyone seriously believe in socialism any more?

And, please, you must have never dealt with the government if you trust them to do ANYTHING better than private enterprise does. Just say "Postal Service vs. UPS" and you have to concede my point.

Should say
"I'm not saying the free market WON'T do a better job at figuring out solutions than the government..."

Ah, and here he is
And, low and behold, mention socialist believers and Mencken shows up. he was the other socialist I mentioned...

Surprise, surprise.

And, Mencken, I must ask: If shortages have always been so horrible without government intervention, how did man survive for so long before the sinated Marx came up with idea of omnipotent government? How did our benighted tribal ancestors survive without a huge bureaucracy to solve everything for them? Answer, they responded to shortages by reducing use and finding alternatives. And modern man will do the same.

Sorry, the government is fine at providing courts, a military and police. In all other endeavors, I am quite skeptical of the government's ability to do any good.

Mencken,
Yes the coal was waiting to be mined, but no one was using it. I am sure looking back, whatever solution we adopt is right now there waiting to be used. We just have not thought to use it yet.

You are the one making a mistake. You look back and say the change from wood to coal or whale oil to petroleum is obvious. No, it wasn't. It is obvious after it happens, but only then. At the time, the shortage was a "crisis" and there were "no alternatives". only in retrospect is the substitution obvious.


Unique
And, please, don't tlel me our crisis is "unique" and the solution will require the government as it is a special situation.

All these crises were "unique" to those who lived through them. And all had some suffering involved for some people. But, in the end, all were resolved by the same market forces that will solve this crisis, if we just let them.

I am so tired of the argument "Well, yes, it worked before, but we live in unique times." No, we don't. Everyone thingks their times are unique, but, oddly enough, in retrospect every time is much the same, and the same laws apply. The free market works very well, if we get out of the way. Despite claims of unique crises with which the anti-market forces try to justify meddling.

Andrews
Look, sorry, but go pound sand. What the heck are you talking about Marx for? I didn't say the government was a superior entity with respect to ultimately finding solutions. That's just your own fevered mind inventing enemies. Check your bushes out front. Maybe there's a communist hiding out there.


Last one
Also, your measure is wrong. it is not energt density that matters, but energy received per energy invested. While wood was abundant it took less energy to get 1 kCal from wood than from coal. Only as wood became scarce was coal viable. in addition, coal required new technology, such as pumps to remove water from mines.

Same with oil. Whale oil took less effort to provide lubricant and lighting functions than oil did. As whales became scarce oil became viable. Don't forget, tar and pitch were known for 1000's of years, yet were not used in any considerable quantities until the 20th century. Why? They were just as energy righ 2000 years ago. But they were not economically viable when other good provided the same services for less effort.

In short, your standard is the argument of an engineer, not an economist.

So, energy density is not important in itself. It is the amount of work that is needed to provide the same services. At this time, oil is the most efficient investment of our efforts. In the future we will find an alternative, though you and I do not have any idea what that may be.

typo
Should read "energy rich" not "energy righ"

Mencken
I was referring to the discussion about socialized medicine from yesterday when I mentioned Marx. you were insisting the state had a role to provide medicine. Which is a clearly Marxist/socialist/interventionist position. I mention Marx as the most famous proponent, though most socialists insist "we're not marxists" they still espouse theories he would ahev embraced.

To be fair
Perhaps it is not Marxist to insist the government fund businesses. The foolish mercantilists proposed this prior to Marx. But since Buchanan seems to be our last living mercantist, I just assumed you (and Jeff) argued for government funding from a marxists/socialist perspective. if you are a 17th century protectionist, I am sorry for the mischaracterization.

Honestly
I am glad you are ticked off. I spent a week trying to talk sense to leftists (religious lib, in particular) and have grown tired of beating my head against that wall.

Enough of the polite discourse. I am not going to try to treat with respect arguments that suggest my goods should be expropriated and my labor coerced to benefit others. I am tired of treating socialism with respect.

If someone thinks it is right to take from me for others -- whether for mecidine for the poor, or a "national energey policy" -- I will not give them a fair hearing, as they are arguing for an inherently immoral proposition.

With All the Hunger in the World
I think it critical that we immediately begin burning millions of acres of food for fuel. Those people whose lives depend on cheap corn are being selfish - let them eat cake.

$10 for a box of Corn Flakes?
No one will save money at the pumps buying ethanol for their cars. It also won't reduce pollutants released into the atmosphere. It might reduce dependence on mideast oil (maybe). It WILL raise the price for a box of Corn Flakes to over ten bucks and every other food product containing corn (that's a lot of stuff, folks) to unprecedented levels. Will people be happy with the trade off? Doubtful, I think.

andrews
When did slavery become a legal matter? was it before or after the government got involved.

Mileage Results
I keep close tabs on the mileage I get with my 2006 Cadillac CTS. Two fill-ups in Houston where I had to use ethanol mixed fuel resulted in right at 15% fewer miles per gallon. When I drove out of the city and more readily found plain old oil-based gasoline my mileage returned to normal.

Consequently, savings of perhaps 10% or 15% somehow now don't seem so great.

Outrageous responses
There are rediculous responses being put forth.

There will be no 10 dollar boxes of corn flakes.
There are no people starving because of ethanol production. the opposite is true. The free market was driving the cost of corn down opening up 1000s of acres of land once used for corn production that are now vacant. There was no market for corn at 2.20 a bushel.

The free market is a great thing. I fully support the free market but I also understand it has limitations. It is by far the better sytem when compared to socialist government controled markets. But let us take a look normal course of things. School are regulated by government. Granted they are over regulated but that does mean they should not be regulated at all. Nasa is a Government program, So are defence Programs, I fail to see where energy independence is any less important. Given that is know a matter of national security. Again I in no implied government control of ethanol, but I beleive it is beneficial on several levels that government give incentives to research and developement that can improve the lives of its citizens. There is no conflict here.
A great example would be FDA. How many people think free markets should be the only police for drug companies.

Again with the cost issue
How much money and American blood has been spent in Iraq alone, Never mind the rest of the middle east. I fail to see how anyone can conclude bio fuel research is to expensive.

Andrew - Health Care
Just to clarify. I don't think that the government has a "duty" to do anything. I think we live in a representative democracy, and that we can vote to give the government a role. I'd like to see universal health insurance of some sort, and I would vote for it, if the plan was rational. But that doesn't mean I have a right to it now.

Free market arguemnt
Let free market decide how mining operations work. Junk the FDA. Junk the EPA. Junke the Boarder partol. Junk Health inpsectors. All these are completely unnesisary. Junk the education system (i am reluctant to use this example because it actaull may be a good idea).

I worked for a maratime company in NY harbor. Any one near our around sandy hook bay/ hudson river would not want us to be un-regualted by federal government and controlled only by free trade.
This does not make me a marxist. I Love free trade but like all things it is good and bad. Good when used properly and bad when exploited.Having government incentives to help desing clean, effeicent renewable sources of energy is a far cry from marxism. It is almost a nation security issue.


I'm confused
Does ethanol increase oil profit and use?

What does ethanol laced gas sell for in Brazil?

satanstoe
"$10 for a box of Corn Flakes?

No one will save money at the pumps buying ethanol for their cars. It also won't reduce pollutants released into the atmosphere. It might reduce dependence on mideast oil (maybe). It WILL raise the price for a box of Corn Flakes to over ten bucks and every other food product containing corn (that's a lot of stuff, folks) to unprecedented levels. Will people be happy with the trade off? Doubtful, I think."

Absolutely. Also, the effect of the grain/corn price destablization on the third world supply and prices won't make us any friends. This maybe another of those unintended consequences the libs actually want.

I haven't read all the posts but has anyone considered the already ridiculous subsidization that farm production already gets and is this being factored into the cost computations?

Do you remember where welfare for farmers came from? Correct - FDR! Will we survive the socialist legacy of FDR? Maybe, but buy gold.

If this is a liberal idea
then what is Bush since he's pushing it?
Next time there is an article on T/H about free trade and markets and the conservative parrots on this site decide that Bush is on their side, remember this article. This guy and any other government stooge will intervene in the markets in a heartbeat if it suit them and their supporters. They're no more free trade than they are circus clowns... Well, maybe I wrote in haste there.
Free trade and open markets would mean that domestic exploration, refining plants and taxation of the stuff wouldn't be the way it is.
This just cracks my molars it irks me so much.

To Mencken
You can vote all you want but universal health care, and all of the other socialist programs, are unconstitutional. Originally the Supreme Court ruled against them until FDR threatened court packing and they backed off. Eventually since FDR remained in office for so long the court wound up being packed with FDR appointees and the USA started down the road to illegal socialism.

Vic
Um, yeah. Good luck with that one.

Incidentally, the Reconstruction amendments are also unconstitutional, in a sense, since the southern states were told that they could not be readmitted to the union unless they ratified...and yet Lincoln also claimed that no state had a right to secede. So, if they weren't states, how could they ratify? Etc. Etc. You see what I am saying. I don't think the 13-15th Amendments are going anywhere soon, and neither are "socialist" programs.

$10 corn flakes....sure it's possible
I fully expect corn flakes to reach $10 a box some day, but it won't be because of the corn. Right now a 1 lb box costs between $2.50 and $3. At current corn prices of about $4 at the elevator, there is about 7 cents worth of corn in the box. Before corn when up, there was about 4 cents worth in a box.

Where does the other $2.43 to $2.93 go? Why to our city cousins of course. It goes to pay union labor, non union labor, management, stuff shirts, truck drivers, cash register operators, computer programers, insurance salesmen, electric companies, and everyone else that has anything to do with selling, manufacturing, and marketing them. And all these people get yearly raises. Corn flakes will reach $10 some day, and when it does, there probably won't be 10 cents worth of corn in the box.

The hysteria we hear from our city cousins is misplaced. Food prices go up regardless of what happens to the price of corn.

Energy and Markets
A couple of points:

Andrews, good point. But I disagree with claiming ethanol uses more petro than it creates. Use this fact: for nearly 6 months ethanol sold for less than petro and ethanol companies still made money. How can one claim that you input more gallons of petro than the amount of ethanol you get out yet somehow the farmer makes a profit, and the ethanol producer makes a profit. No way a farmer could use more gallons of petro, deliver and sell corn to an ethanol producer, and the ethanol producer sell the ethanol for a profit. Put another way. The farmer uses two gallons of diesel fuel to deliver grain (input) to the ethanol producer, the ethanol producer produces 1 gallon of ethanol. How can all parties make a profit if ethanol sales for less than diesel. You can’t. You will say “that's where the 51 cent subsidy makes a difference”. Nope, the subsidy is a tax credit given only to the end blendor or resaler.

To the CTS Cadillac driver. Ethanol was blended at less than 15% of the fuel in the Dallas/Houston area. No way Ethanol caused a 15% reduction in gas mileage unless you want to claim that Ethanol contains negative energy...

$10 cereal. Not because of ethanol or corn prices. There is less than 10% corn in corn flakes. That means that corn would have to increase 10 fold. There would be no more ethanol.

Let the market produce more corn. We planted that largest crop of corn since WWII this year. The market will answer demands call.

ethanol stinks
Ethanol Eco nomics…

Tom McClintock’s Citizens for the California Republic, 06-18-2007


The public policy farce that the “Green Governor” unleashed with AB 32 (the so-called “greenhouse gas” law) continues. Using their newly granted power to slash carbon dioxide emissions, the California Air Resources Board (all Schwarzenegger appointees) has mandated that every gallon of gasoline sold in California must contain at least 10 percent ethanol by 2010.

First, a few basic facts. Californians use about 15 billion gallons of gasoline a year, meaning that the new ten percent CARB edict will require about 1.5 billion gallons of ethanol. Corn is the most common ethanol-producing crop in the country, yielding about 350 gallons of ethanol fuel per acre. That means converting about 4.3 million acres of farmland to ethanol production, just to meet the California requirement. But according to the USDA, California currently has only 11 million acres devoted to growing crops of all kinds. Get the picture?

The entire purpose of this exercise is to reduce the carbon dioxide emissions from California automobiles (although Californians already have the 8th lowest per capita gasoline consumption in the country). And that’s where the public policy discussion becomes farce.

As more acres are brought into agricultural production, the demand for nitrogen fertilizer will grow accordingly, which is itself produced through the use of fossil fuels. And the most likely source of new agricultural land will be converting rain forests to agriculture, although deforestation is already the second biggest man-made contributor of carbon dioxide emissions, ranking just behind internal combustion. And here’s the clincher: ethanol is produced through fermentation, by which glucose is broken down into equal parts of ethanol and – you guessed it – carbon dioxide.

Obviously, this edict will hit gasoline consumers hard: ethanol is less efficient than gasoline and it’s more expensive – meaning you’ll have to buy more gallons at the pump and pay more per gallon.

The bigger impact, though, will be at the grocery store. By radically and artificially increasing the demand for ethanol, the cost pressure on all agricultural products (including meat and dairy products that rely on grain feed) will be devastating. Earlier this year, spiraling corn prices forced up by artificially increased demand for ethanol produced riots throughout Mexico.

The CARB regulations will undoubtedly hit Californians hard – but they will hit starving third world populations even harder. Basic foodstuffs are a small portion of the family incomes in affluent nations, but they consume more than half of family earnings in third world countries.

So when the global warming alarmists predict worldwide starvation, they’re right. They’re creating it.


http://www.carepublic.com/blog.html?domain=tom_mcclintock&blog_id=136&category_id=&start=0&arcyear=&arcmonth=&curyear=&curmonth=&curday=

ethanol
Ethanol Eco nomics…

Tom McClintock’s Citizens for the California Republic, 06-18-2007


The public policy farce that the “Green Governor” unleashed with AB 32 (the so-called “greenhouse gas” law) continues. Using their newly granted power to slash carbon dioxide emissions, the California Air Resources Board (all Schwarzenegger appointees) has mandated that every gallon of gasoline sold in California must contain at least 10 percent ethanol by 2010.

First, a few basic facts. Californians use about 15 billion gallons of gasoline a year, meaning that the new ten percent CARB edict will require about 1.5 billion gallons of ethanol. Corn is the most common ethanol-producing crop in the country, yielding about 350 gallons of ethanol fuel per acre. That means converting about 4.3 million acres of farmland to ethanol production, just to meet the California requirement. But according to the USDA, California currently has only 11 million acres devoted to growing crops of all kinds. Get the picture?

The entire purpose of this exercise is to reduce the carbon dioxide emissions from California automobiles (although Californians already have the 8th lowest per capita gasoline consumption in the country). And that’s where the public policy discussion becomes farce.

As more acres are brought into agricultural production, the demand for nitrogen fertilizer will grow accordingly, which is itself produced through the use of fossil fuels. And the most likely source of new agricultural land will be converting rain forests to agriculture, although deforestation is already the second biggest man-made contributor of carbon dioxide emissions, ranking just behind internal combustion. And here’s the clincher: ethanol is produced through fermentation, by which glucose is broken down into equal parts of ethanol and – you guessed it – carbon dioxide.

Obviously, this edict will hit gasoline consumers hard: ethanol is less efficient than gasoline and it’s more expensive – meaning you’ll have to buy more gallons at the pump and pay more per gallon.

The bigger impact, though, will be at the grocery store. By radically and artificially increasing the demand for ethanol, the cost pressure on all agricultural products (including meat and dairy products that rely on grain feed) will be devastating. Earlier this year, spiraling corn prices forced up by artificially increased demand for ethanol produced riots throughout Mexico.

The CARB regulations will undoubtedly hit Californians hard – but they will hit starving third world populations even harder. Basic foodstuffs are a small portion of the family incomes in affluent nations, but they consume more than half of family earnings in third world countries.

So when the global warming alarmists predict worldwide starvation, they’re right. They’re creating it.


http://www.carepublic.com/blog.html?domain=tom_mcclintock&blog_id=136&category_id=&start=0&arcyear=&arcmonth=&curyear=&curmonth=&curday=

ethanol / oil partnership
Saturday, July 14, 2007

NO on AB118

* Currently $0.51 per gallon goes to oil refiners for adding 5.6% ethanol to California gasoline. That is about $500,000,000.00 per year corporate welfare.

* AB118 may add over $1.00 per gallon to additional gasoline profits in California

* This is about the money from your pocket

* The corn ethanol waiver in the 2005 federal energy bill will lower gasoline prices, improve miles per gallon, lower oil use and improve the air.

* NO on AB118. Contact your elected officials and share your opinion

(make copies and give to your friends)

Clean Air Performance Professionals

Corn fuel ethanol
What was the cause of death of Alexander Farrell, 46, expert on alternative fuels?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/18 /BAOK1087DP.DTL
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