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Tuesday, September 23, 2008
Phyllis Schlafly :: Townhall.com Columnist
China Poisons Its Infant Formula
by Phyllis Schlafly
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The China infant milk scandal, even though it has so far not damaged any American babies, has exposed a major defect in the concept of free trade. It's dangerous to buy products from a nation whose economy is not based on Judeo-Christian morality.

The American private enterprise system depends on honesty as normal and accepted behavior. We don't have or want a policeman on every corner, or an army of government officials to inspect every bottle of baby formula or tube of toothpaste.

We do have regulations and random checks, but the majority of producers and sellers are restrained from criminality by adherence to the Judeo-Christian ethic. In communist China, there is no such restraint, and it is utterly impossible to regulate and inspect the thousands of small producers.

China's milk formula poisoned with melamine is now known to have killed at least four infants, sickened 50,000, and hospitalized 12,892 mostly newborns, with 158 suffering from acute kidney failure. Kidney stones cause extremely painful blockages, a problem that is relatively uncommon in babies.

Melamine, which is derived from coal, is an industrial chemical used in plastics, fertilizers, flame-retardant clothing, dyes, glue and tanning leather. It is supposedly banned from food production.

The widespread addition of melamine into infant formula was obviously deliberate and could not have been accidental. Melamine didn't fly out of the air into the milk or evolve from another substance.

The purpose of this deadly contamination was to produce a cheaper product by adding water to increase the volume of milk, and then adding melamine to inflate the protein readings on a common industrial test.

Melamine is the same dangerous chemical the Chinese added to pet food that sickened and killed thousands of American dogs and cats in 2007. That, too, was intentional -- the purpose was to trick Americans into thinking they were buying animal feed with higher protein content.

Don't forget the toothpaste and cough syrup into which the Chinese substituted the less expensive diethylene glycol, an ingredient used in antifreeze, for the more expensive glycerin, a solvent safely used in drugs. Remember also the anti-clotting drug heparin from China that killed at least 80 Americans.

The biggest offender among the 22 melamine-using dairy companies, Sanlu Group, knew about the infant injuries for months before warning the public. Infant formula is widely used in China because mothers return to big cities to work in factories shortly after birth, leaving their babies to be raised by grandparents.

Sanlu began hearing reports of illnesses from its tainted formula as early as March, and the first death was reported on May 1. Nevertheless, Sanlu donated large quantities of formula to victims of the big earthquake in May.

Sanlu reported news of tainted formula to its board of directors six days before the Olympic Games opened in Beijing. Chinese reporters were told not to report negative news that might disrupt the games, and it was not until Sept. 11 that the public was warned and a recall ordered.

At least nine of the 22 dairy companies selling melamine-contaminated milk, including Sanlu Group, enjoyed inspection-exempt status called "mianjian." This controversial status is based on the assumption that companies that passed quality tests for three years could then be trusted to regulate themselves.

Others claim that China's two-tiered product-regulatory system is really designed to protect and nurture a handful of privileged, mostly state-owned companies. The Chinese economic system, which some mistakenly tout as emerging capitalism, is based on special advantages for government favorites.

China's poorly regulated and unreported supply chain starts with a farmer owning several cows, each milked three times a day, selling his milk to local dealers, who in turn sell to companies like Sanlu, which combine the milk before reselling it. There is no way to trace problems if they occur.

China finally announced a recall, arrested several suspects, and fired a mayor and some other local officials. Maybe some fall guy will be executed, like last year's head of China's Food and Drug Administration and several of his deputies.

But that doesn't begin to make up for the damage to infants or remedy the underlying problem that communist Chinese companies will poison their products to sell them cheaper.

The globalists tell us: Don't worry, none of Sanlu's formula made it to the United States. But the poisoned pet food did; and Sanlu's products reached Hong Kong, where supermarkets had to pull ice cream and frozen yogurt off their shelves.

Some of the media are telling us that the solution is to appropriate more money to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. If the FDA had a budget a hundred times larger it could never inspect, regulate and assure the safety of Chinese products.

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I agree
I basically agree with this author. Buying food from heathens seems risky in general.

I doubt a democracy is likely to even work unless the people have Judeo Christian values. So next time someone says we should try to spread democracy somewhere where there aren't any Christians, tell them it's a waste of time. Spread Christianity first, and then when the people are productive, literate, and Christian, spread the Democracy and freedom to them.

That heathens (the Greeks) invented democracy is notwithstanding, since it was only in Athens, a noted center of learning, many of its people were not citizens but slaves, it was a
colonizing, imperial power, and it didn't last.





Actually
Change in China has been dramatic as anyone can tell you who saw China in say 1978 when Deng put forward his reforms or the first American business delegation in the mid-1970s and compare that to China today.

The people in charge in 1989 and who ordered the crack down were primarily Deng Xiao-ping who is dead and Li Peng who has not held any major post since he gave up his post as the chairman of the standing committee of the NPC in 2003. Hu Jintao had something to do with the crack down in Tibet in 1989 as party secretary in Tibet (his second in command was the one that actually order martial law in 1989, not Hu, but Tibetians still blame Hu anyway). Wen Jiabao wasn't involved, nor was Li Keqiang and so on and so on. The leadership today is not the same as it was in 1989--the current leaders known as the 4th generation--who came to power at the 16th Party Congress in 2002--weren't involved in Tiananmen.

It seems many companies have indeed taken that risk--Boeing, UPS, Chrysler (who will have the new Dodge economy car built by Chery in China) and on and on.

So tell me--how do you know exactly that the change in China is paper thin if you've never seen the change itself?

Akagi
Yes, it was 20 years ago, but do you really expect me to believe that there are none of the ruling party still in power? Change in China is paper thin, a veil if you will. That veil can be torn at any time. Any company that sets up there does so at their own risk. As the old saying goes, don't pee up my leg and tell me it's raining!

Lisa
I've never feared for my saftey in Taiwan and yet it is not a country built on Jeudo-Christian ethics and mostly a Daoist/Buddhist society (even if three of the last five presidents were themselves Chrisitian). Japan's seems pretty free to me--again, mostly non-Chrisitian (even if many Japanese do like to get married in Christian churches)--Buddhist/Shinto. Some might argue that both Taiwan and Japan are mostly secular.

The US could be argued was much more Christian during the late 19th and early 20th century when these Chinese-like consumer abuses too place and it was people like Upton Sinclair and others who got reforms enacted were mostly socialists, not Christians.


Lisa here again
Just for the record, I didn't want anyone to think that I agree with Phyllis S.'s attitude. She has said at least one thing about single women with children that I've heard that offended me tremendously. And her attitude is kind of know-it-all. But there are other more fair-minded people out there that would agree that "fear of God" is a great deterrent to the sort of wrong-doing that has recently occurred in China. We have our own battles here, though. Irradiated spinach anyone????

Judeo-Christian ethic
When I read that I knew you were in trouble, Phyllis, but I know what you mean. America is far from perfect, but it is a better place because it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. All of the criticizers here don't know that the safety and freedom that they take for granted exists because there is still a remnant of the Judeo-Christian ethic deeply embedded in the American value system. But more and more it is being forgotten and lost and even despised.

I thank God for reforms that even labor unions brought about in the last century, and child labor laws, and other regulation that ensured that we were being true to our Judeo-Christian roots. Regulations that protect Americans against the abuses of greed. There is a happy medium with regulation, just like there is with everything else in life.

But a society that has stricken God from its value system, eventually forgets that individuals are of infinite worth to God. And since there is no God, there is no self government. The government, then, must step in to control people who no longer have a standard by which they control themselves. China still imprisons people for their religious and political beliefs--it is still communist, in spite of the appearance of some economic changes.

eastlake
Tiananmen was in 1989, the leader at the time was Deng Xiao-ping an economic reformer but an old time revolutionary from the pre-PRC days after him it was Jiang Ze-min and now Hu Jin-tao. Tiananmen was almost 20 years ago--ancient history basically. Should we bring up the Kaohsiung riots in Taiwan next or the Kwangju uprising in the ROK too? I never said China was a democracy and they react to what they see as threats harshly--see Tibet if you doubt this.

The last time there was a massive protest in Tiananmen it was 1966, care to tell us what happened then? Well that was the launch of the Cultural Revolution--the shock troops of which were students. The revolution in 1911 was fueled by students and young military officers. The Cultural Revolution nearly lead to civil war and the events in 1911 ended over 2,000 years of imperial rule. The events in May and June of 1989 shook the CCP to its core. The last thing it wanted to see was a repeat of 1966 or 1911. The US in its past hasn't been all the willing to accept sitdowns in its capital--recall what happened to the "Bonus Army?"

The Olympics is fake, a window dressing event for any country. Atlanta basically expelled the homeless from the city in 1996, torn down public housing complexes and sent the residents packing to nearby counties with section 8 vouchers in hand. This is not a unique feature of China.

Just for you
Muscledaddy:

You deserve a reply just for you.

You can't compare China to the US today. The US is an advanced capitalist economy with armies of lawyers, hundreds of public interest groups, an independent and advanced judicary, a large body of law in regards to civil tort as well as criminal law, and an active and aggressive regulatory regime which mostly is corruption free. China has none of this. It is an emerging mixed market-central planned economy with only the last 30 years being open to the free market. It doesn't have an independent judicary nor does it have a well developed civil society with large numbers of public interest groups. Chinese law is primative compared to western standards especially in the area of civil law.

Some business people with a get rich now focus and some corrupt government officials make adulteration much more common than in the US. What China is like is what the US was like in 1906. Like in China, you had corrupt businesses, corrupt officials. You had adulteration, you had people posioned, you had people secretly addicted to cocaine as people added it to "patent medicines." You had outright fraud of what the product contained and what it would do. Meats had rat parts, rat feces, pieces of human body parts cut off in the meat grinding process. People died. Sounds like China doesn't it? That is the comparison.

And to make the claim that China products are unsafe and American products are safe due to Christian ethics is frankly mindless. Was the US not a "Christian" nation in 1906. I am willing to bet the US was more "Christian" in 1906 than it is now. How many adulterated products have come of Japan as of late or Taiwan? Are they Christian?

And yet more
C.A.:

This has nothing to do with the central government or even the local government, it has to do with greedy, selfish, calious acts by private actors (corrupt business owners) and a few local corrupt officials (which China has tried to eliminate launching various crackdowns and going so far to execute a number of corrupt officials). Do you think China wants to see its products kill people? No. China wants people to buy its products, much of its economy relies on being the cheap labor source for the western world. If those outside China come to the conclusion that not only are Chinese products cheap (as in crappy, which was the opinion of Japanese products in the 1950s and Taiwanese products in the 1970s and 1980s) but also dangerous if not outright deadly that market will dry up and the CCP's house of cards they have built to keep themselves in power will come crashing down taking the CCP it. There aren't a bunch of people sitting around in Zhongnanhai saying "how can we posion the Americans this time?"

Charles:

Was your insipid little comment for me? As I have said many times, the PRC wouldn't like me very much--my politics from a Chinese point of view would be seen as very un-PC. I am hardly an apologist for the "chicoms" (such a hackneyed term, and the PRC is no more communist than the ROC or ROK was 30 years ago).


A number of things
If Duncan Hunter was the nominee Obama would be up by 30 points now and he'd win by an Eisenhower-like landslide. Care to tell me when the last sitting House member won the presidency? It was 1880, his name was Garfield and his was a hero in the civil war and most Americans had heard of him--few people even in California have ever heard of him.

Tea Party:

You must have a difficult time finding things then. I doubt there is a hammer sold in the US not made in China. And many of those food borne illnesses were grown right in the good old USA.

Jan:

No the reason that Swedes, Fins and the like don't immigrate to the US is because their standard of living is higher. As I said, few people immigrate to countries with equal or lower standards of living. As for a more evil government being hard to find? Just cross the Yalujiang dear--it's called the DPRK or go south and cross over from Yunan--you don't even have to leave China's neighborhood to find governments that are much worse than China.

Jan
good rebuttal, couldn't have said it better myself. Speaking of Europe, it's time they started defending themselves and paying for their own defense.

I read the country of origin lables whenever I shop, if it says China, I throw it back..THROW
it back into the bin. I try to buy locally grown in season, and other products usa, or some other country like New Zealand, Iceland. If its produce from Mexico, forgeddaboutit which is about what I thin of China and other
Asian countries but mostly China. It's funny
whenever traveling we are told not to drink the water or eat raw veggies but when those veggies are shipped here, we are expected to buy them and consume them..sorry, I'm not in the market for Montezuma's revenge. Since we've had open trade, I've noticed we've had a lot of food borne illnesses pop up.
China has a habit of "dumping' products in this country or going via a third country. My kids are commercial beekeepers and about 15 years ago
the honey prices dropped to where they were having trouble making a go. China was dumping
honey, that they'd adulterated..according to my kids, the honey is stored in open vats and all kinds of critters are apt to fall in from bugs to rats. There was even an instance where the weight of the barrel was, shall we say, enhanced by the addition of a sink. I say read your labels, and buy accordingly..if I see distributed by on any lable, my antenna go up and the product goes back..won't buy it. Not saying I haven't been fooled at times but not very often.

Duncan Hunter warned of Red China
We should have nominated CA congressman Duncan Hunter.
He is right on all the issues - especially warning us about Red China and its cheating.

Maybe he will become McCain's Sec. of Defense., Sec. of State, maybe ambassador to U.N. or some other slot where he can kick commie and/or Arab backside.

Akaqi
Oh, Akaqi--Sigh. The reason Swedes, for example (YOUR example) are not clamoring to get into the United States is not that their standard of living is as high or higher than ours, but that we are not socialists and Swedes know they might actually have to WORK for a living. Europe, where all my in-laws live, has become a bunch of lazy, immature, whiny, America-envying-but-won't-admit-it adolescents who want the government to take care of them from cradle to grave. They don't marry, don't reproduce, and will be muslim in a matter of decades because they also don't believe in anything anymore, secularism having taken over whatever religion they once had, and do not have the guts to fight for ANYTHING. So they will lie down and let the muslims run over them like tanks. They will acquiesce to their own demise rather than put forth any effort to uphold--anything. They are pathetic. Don't ever wish that we would like they are. And as for China, a more ruthless, inhuman, even evil government it would be hard to find. And they are going to own us, thanks to our own government and its shameless sucking up to these creeps....

Chicom apologist
Known as "50 Cents Gang"(pay per insertion), an army of a million Chicom apologists hired by the CCP are roaming in the blogosphere.

This clown, Also Known As Gang Instructor, deems TH as his territory and jumps out to distract audience attention every time his master, the CCP, loses its pants.

They Don't Care!
The morally and spiritually sick collection of minds in the Chinese government don't care. It doesn't matter who is sick or dies from their vile control.

Light, disappointing dodge...
"As I said there were food companies in the US on purpose re-packaging food with new expiry dates after the old ones had expired."

We have ample references to the situation in China - perhaps you could provide one for your assertion?

Or is this just a whole-cloth attempt at moral equivication - even if you have such a reference, I doubt very much you could provide anything that conclusively showed that "expiration dates were changed" with the full knowledge that doing so would cause death.

Underhanded, stupid, careless, greedy - Yes, absolutely.

On par with DELIBERATELY introducing foreign substances you KNOW to be poisonous into food products, because the non-poisonous variety are more expensive - No.

Again, I ask your read on the applicability of the "Greed Factor" - as it relates to GIVING the poisoned formula to earthquake survivors?

...and how that scenario has "nothing to do with the lack of respect for life."

- MuscleDaddy

Akagi
It's fact that the Communist cChinese government do not care about human life. Unless you think the incident in the square was staged? Tanks runnung over people for such serious crimes as disagreeing with the government and having a sit-in. How felonious of them!!!! And lest I forget, the stoppage of travel into the city right before the games. All window dressing to try to make the world believe they care about the lives of the atheletes. All dressing to keep from loosing face. That's very important to them, but not loss of life!

The US didn't
Greed is human nature and there are plenty of examples of companies adulterating products on purpose and these have lead to deaths in the US. As I said there were food companies in the US on purpose re-packaging food with new expiry dates after the old ones had expired.

It has nothing to do with the lack of respect for life "endemic" in your view in a "communist" system and everything to do with pure greed.




Akagi
You've skipped over me to respond to both 45caliber and John.

Not feelin' the love, here.

I'd appreciate it if you'd respond.
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Also - comparing food contaminated through carelessness... to food poisoned with non-food chemicals through actual malfeasance?

That's just dishonest.

- MuscleDaddy

John
Great and then let's ban all Mexican agricultural products as well as all US beef (mad cow) and various other US agricultural products since the US has spread e coli and other dangerous food borne pathogens some of which has lead to death.

Chinese Food Stuff
How many more people must be sickened or die before an entire import ban is imposed on all food stuffs or ingredients originating in or obtained from China?

Enough is enough!

45
Is that how many Colt 45s you've downed? This is total tripe "I have to agree. While many people do the right thing even though they have never had this training, it is not as common among them as it is if they were raised as Christians."

So Buddhists don't do the right thing? Confucians? How do you explain the same issues in the United States even to this day then and so bad at the turn of the 20th century that the US had a federal law passed which would lead to the creation of the FDA.

PS writes some pretty mindless stuff, but the "adherence to the Judeo-Christian ethic" has to be part of her greatest hits in the "I'm a fruit cake" category. And I have no connection to the PRC--due to my politics the PRC wouldn't look too favorbly on me.




Akagi
I respect you for supporting your original land and its people. I'm sure it is a great place. Why did you leave and come here? Why don't you return there to live?

I agree
Phillis said: "It's dangerous to buy products from a nation whose economy is not based on Judeo-Christian morality"

I have to agree. While many people do the right thing even though they have never had this training, it is not as common among them as it is if they were raised as Christians. It is a good example of the differences in culture. To a Christian, stealing is wrong; to the American Indian prior to Christianity, it was something of honor to do. Murder, torture, theft, etc. varies from one culture to another. Trying to say that someone from another culture will always do the right thing according to our culture is wrong. And even people like Will, who officially believe in nothing, still has that cultural upbringing, even if they do deny it.

Akagi,
"Gua Yangtou, Mai Gourou."

Yes, yes - bait-and-switch - how terribly impressive.

"I've consumed pounds and pounds of products from Taiwan and China and yet to have become poisoned, if China is so bad in this regard, why am I not dead?"

- So, if you keep thumbing back the hammer and pulling the trigger and your brain matter stays intact, that means there's no bullet in the next chamber, so why worry about it?

InGodsGarden hit it squarely:

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"The rules of the game are not the same when there is no real value attached to life."
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That's a consideration that a great MANY people in our society can't seem to get their collective head around in a great MANY situations - so they make other excuses that they are more comfortable with (injustice/poverty/greed)

You want to lay the blame on "Capitalist Greed" and building their bottom line - like it wouldn't have happened if ONLY we hadn't so afflicted them with our Evil American Ways....

They KNEW the baby-formula was poisoned.

They KNEW it was causing illness and death.

They still GAVE the baby formula to the earthquake surviviors.

Tell me where the greed-motivator comes into that?

They KNEW - they didn't CARE.

Again, and again, and again.

Buy bad milk from a store ONCE, and you bring it to their attention.

Twice? You stop buying from that store - they want your business back, they need to start doing a better job.

Common sense solution.

- MuscleDaddy

Steve
"we’d all be oh so much wonderfuller if we spoke a foreign language?"

You would be.


"They can’t seem to understand why there are hundred’s of thousands of people waiting (dying?) to get INTO America and nobody lining up at the doors of Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, France, Iran, Iraq, etc. It’s just a big old mystery to them."

That's an easy one. People don't line up to get into countries with lower standards of living than their own--usually. You don't see people from Sweden in large numbers trying to get into the US either--out of over 1 million immigrant visas I think Sweden was issued 504 of them last year.

As for China, well if he actually knew anything about China he'd know that in many places (most places) that the infrastructure is poor. Obama should take a drive around Yunan sometime and see how well the roads are there. As for the greatest nation, I suppose it depends what you mean by that--in regards to standards of living, economic freedom, educational access, educational attainment, infant mortality, longevity, access of health care and a host of other issues the US lags behind a number of countries. If you want to say the US is the greatest economic, military and cultural power on earth--no debate.

Pablo
Yes. I can't believe anyone would write something so stupid as "...but the majority of producers and sellers are restrained from criminality by adherence to the Judeo-Christian ethic." I think she may have been drunk or high when she wrote this or maybe senity has finally set in--hard to say though since she has been penning demented musings for quite some time now, perhaps she was just born this way or was dropped on her head...a bad acid trip for the 60s, who knows really.

svpallava:

Is not the flagship of Chrysler, Chrysler? Much of their high-end cars are under that brand, not the Dodge brand (which the Chery car will be flagged as--based on the Chery A1 compact).




So is Barack still a China lover?
Yet another of Barack Obama’s "we are the world" proclamation’s bites the dust! Remember how oooey-gooey Barack was over the great country of China during the Olympics? How technologically advanced they were… how wonderfully everything worked in China… while America’s infrastructure was falling apart and everything we do here in America is just so wrong? Remember how we shouldn’t be so proud of living in this greatest nation on the face of the earth and that somehow; we’d all be oh so much wonderfuller if we spoke a foreign language?

People like Barack Obama and his left wing cronies are always spouting off about how every other country is good and America is always bad. They continually want to tear down America’s success. They can’t seem to understand why there are hundred’s of thousands of people waiting (dying?) to get INTO America and nobody lining up at the doors of Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, France, Iran, Iraq, etc. It’s just a big old mystery to them.

Is this the kind of off-the-top, looking only at the surface judgment we want in our President?

Paul
It is still communist China? I didn't know that private enterprise, billionaires (#2 on the list behind the US), two major stock exchanges, and on and on were part of the communist model.

China is not at closed as you believe, this is not 1958. And tell me how long have you lived in and/or studied China to come to your conclusions that China in the 21st century is just window dressing--meaning it is the same old China?

In Gods...

If people don't matter in a godless society, why would their parents grieve?

Oh and should I remind you of the American companies that provided the Union Army with substandard equipment like blankets and maggot-infested pork and the like. This is not restricted to China...America in the past has hardly been better.

In recent years, American companies have adulterated medicines, adulterated meat (leading to deaths), re-packaged expired foods with new dates, sold tainted meat and other produce leading to death and on and on.

The difference is that the US has a much better protection regime (FDA, USDA) and US officials are harder to bribe and thanks to lawyers (yes, lawyers) and the police powers of the state makes the cost of adulteration just not worth the risk. They is a good probablity you will get caught doing this in the US and when caught you will lose you business, your home, you freedom. In China you risk execution, but for some the risk seems so small that they are willing to literally bet their own lives as well as the lives of their customers.


People don't matter in a godless society
Phyllis Schlafly is right on.

People don't matter in a godless society
and unfortunately, this nation we live in is on the same tract as China.

The rules of the game are not the same when there is no real value attached to life.

This is a tragedy and people should be weeping over this, but honestly... more Americans probably have wept over their dogs and cats than over these sick babies and their grieving parents.

The part where they donated this tainted milk to the earthquake surviviors, that really got me... How can you get much lower than that?

It still is Communist China!
This is still Communist China from Mao to now!!

Whether its Imperial China or Communist China, the regard for human life is still minimal. The exterior view Communist China presents of being 21st century is nothing more than window dressing. The Olympics are a good example.

It should not be a surprised that this situation occurred. What is surprising is that it became known outside of China.

On Chrysler's Chery
Chrysler's flagship name is "Dodge", for reasons--enough said!

Sometimes when you read Phyliss
It's hard to beleive that she wrote something so incredably stupid.

"Chinese added to pet food that sickened and killed thousands of American dogs and cats in 2007. That, too, was intentional."

They figured if they killed our pets we'd buy their cars.

"At least nine of the 22 dairy companies selling melamine-contaminated milk, including Sanlu Group, enjoyed inspection-exempt status called "mianjian."

Gawd, please don't tell the Republicans about this or they will tell the FDA that all US companies are "mjanjian" because they are run by Christians and so no monitoring is required.

Akagi
I like that slogan;

"It's dangerous to buy products from a nation whose economy is not based on Judeo-Christian morality."

If that doesn't work we can say, "Buy American or we'll kill your dog".


Be a hard...
"It's dangerous to buy products from a nation whose economy is not based on Judeo-Christian morality." What a great slogan for Chrysler, Ford and GM:)"

Since Chrysler is going to have its economy car made in China by Chery Motors under the Dodge Brand (I suppose like it did with Mitsubisi for the Dodge Colt and the Dodge Ram from the 1970s until the 1990s). Chery's logo bears an odd resemblence to Toyota's.

Will
China's growth rate is not 11% year after year and as pointed out they do lie. During the Asian economic crisis in 1999, China's energy consumption fell by 2% but they claimed their economy grew by 7.9%, so how then do you explain the drop in consumption. In reality, during the crisis, China probably had a de facto zero growth or even declining economy.

During the late 1990s, the official target the government wanted was 7.9% and every province had a 7.9% rise in GDP--do you find that odd? Today's China rate is estimated by the CIA and others as 11.4%, I think that is probably close to reality.

Some other issues with your post. China is nothing like Stalin's USSR. The central planning is a total failure producing the Yuan-sucking SOEs, the power of the economy is private enterprise--e.g. Yan Huiyan. While China is not a democracy, there is a great deal of freedom--greater than at any time in China be it Imperial China, the ROC or the PRC. The publication "Freezing Point (Bing dian)" a case in point.

Social Justice? Sounds like something a memeber of the NPC would say. China adds 8.2 million people a year to 1.3 billion. Sichuan which is one of China poorest provinces has a population of almost 90 million people. The key for China is not "social justice" or democracy but to feed, clothe, house, educate and find employment and a quality of life for a people that is 4 times the size of the US.




I am as free market as they come
but the posters here who have noted that it was necessary for the United States to impose a strict regulatory regime in order to monitor the safety of food and drink in the U.S. are absolutely RIGHT. Our system works as well as it does by virtue of checks and balances. Not merely checks and balances within the government, but between the government and private enterprise.

It is also true that allowing the free market to "regulate" bad actors financially does not compensate individuals who were harmed by tainted products. A regulatory regime is necessary in order to ensure some kind of preventative safety measures, and the tort system must be there to compensate individuals when the safety system fails.

Do I think our regulatory and tort systems are perfect? No. Do some changes need to be made? Yes. But let's skip the "holier than thou" stuff about American manufacturing. Our history is replete with examples of child labor, tainted products, unsafe workplaces, and a whole host of other horrific things.

advertising idea
"It's dangerous to buy products from a nation whose economy is not based on Judeo-Christian morality." What a great slogan for Chrysler, Ford and GM:)

Let's hear it for the lawyers
I know this is going to irritate a lot of people, but one upside to having a lot of lawyers (and product liability lawsuits) is that companies have to be much more careful with the products they release on the market. I think these lawsuits have been overused, but they do curtail some of the abuses you see in societies where they are virtually nonexistent.

PS
They also reached Singapore, Yogurt from Yili and Dutch Lady-brand strawberry milk as well as white chocolate (forgot the brand name).

And China is correctly described as an emerging capitalist country--yes Guanxi is still important, but are you saying connections were never important in the US?

dairyfarmer
"Perhaps you could read something about Chinese culture, tradition and society before you once again open your mouth and remove all doubt?
In Chinese tradition--as Phyllis said--fooling the customer is considered good business--not dishonesty. It's a virtue, not a vice."

Care to tell us your experience with Chinese and Chinese culture then? Perhaps translate this idiom for us "Gua Yangtou, Mai Gourou."

I've consumed pounds and pounds of products from Taiwan and China and yet to have become poisoned, if China is so bad in this regard, why am I not dead? For a hint, that idiom I posted would support your thesis. Americans were pretty good at Gua Yangtou, Mai Gourou too you know--I'd advise you to read The Jungle too. You know Americans have been killed by adulterated meat in this century?

Carlos
"A free market place will police itself."

In the long term yes as bad actors will be forced from business, but in the short run they won't. What China is facing today is no different from what was going on in the US 100 years ago--adulteration was a serious issue and it still is--why do you think the US has the FDA and the USDA?

And Rich:

To say that what is going on in China has anything to do with Judeo-Christian ethics is mindless but what I expect from a PS column--as Dan Quayle said, "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is."


Give me a break!!!!
Wow Phyllis, getting slow in your old age. It took you a week to get an article out about how bad China is. I'd think you'd be on this story within hours.

"...but the majority of producers and sellers are restrained from criminality by adherence to the Judeo-Christian ethic."

What a joke. China is doing nothing the US didn't do 100 years ago. Ever heard of the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906? And why was that passed you think? Ever read Upton Sinclair's The Jungle? Products from Japan and Taiwan are safe and neither are based on any Judeo-Christian ethic.

China is basically a poor, developing country on par on many levels with Haiti--Shanghai and Shenzhen are not China...take a walk around rural Yunan or Gansu sometime. Also China is not really communist and the problem with its consumer protection has nothing to do with communism but with good old fashion capitalist greed which was no different from what was going on in the US in 1906. Too many people wanting to get rich, too many people easily bribed and little in consumer protection. It will be decades before China has a well developed consumer protection regime in place and like any developing country this will take time and resources.

China doesn't want to poison anyone--it has lost probably millions in Yuan over the various product saftey scandals--from lead in paint, to pet food, to baby formula, to date rape drugs on toy beads. It has an interest in making safe products, but greed--not communist ideology--gets in the way and at the moment China doesn't have the resources or the regime to stop it if a business wants to cheat and look at short term gains by adulterating its products.


This is just part...
...of a new Chinese law: The No-Child Policy. Shud warm the heart of The Obama and his followers.

Will
I agree that it's wonderful how your sexual preferences make you an expert on every subject. Isn't it terrific how the whole world revolves around you? Perhaps you could read something about Chinese culture, tradition and society before you once again open your mouth and remove all doubt?
In Chinese tradition--as Phyllis said--fooling the customer is considered good business--not dishonesty. It's a virtue, not a vice.

China Did It
She indicted the entire country based on the actions of a few individuals.

Will
You certainly sound very proud of China.

oh no....Phyllis Flabergasted Will
It's your decision to do the right thing or the wrong thing and not the government's. A free market place will police itself.


Will, thank you for reminding us
(twice, no less) you are suffering from severe mental fatigue. You love to mock Judeo-Christian teachings because they would interfere with your lifestyle, and you trust without thinking the Chinese reports of their own economic data even though you admit that their government suppresses truth in many areas.

Oh, yeah, thanks for reminding us also that homosexuals can be real haters. Most of that read you must blush.

Phyllis,
Thank you for not taking your hatred out on
honest law-abiding gays and feminists this week.

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However, your looney statement "It's dangerous to buy products from a nation whose economy is not based on Judeo-Christian morality" stopped me in my tracks. It sounds like a zinger yanked out of a Saturday Night Live sketch. However, all indications suggest you are serious.


China, with her lack of civil liberties, mass surveillance of the population, lack of a free press, lack of democratic rights, authoritarian central planning, all harnessed not to advance the goals of social justice but advance the goals of global capitalism, is one of the most successful economies in the world. It's sort of like Stalin meets global capitalism.

China maintains an 11% growth year after year after year....

An economy "not based on Judeo-Christian morality" has nothing to do with it (it's almost precious of you to feel that way). It's all about an economy that is so ferociously, illiberally centered on global capitalism to the exclusion of practically everything else.

Phyllis
Thank you for not taking your hatred out on
honest law-abiding gays and feminists this week.

----------

However, your looney statement "It's dangerous to buy products from a nation whose economy is not based on Judeo-Christian morality" stopped me in my tracks. It sounds like a zinger yanked out of a Saturday Night Live sketch. However, all indications suggest you are serious.


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