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Tuesday, August 05, 2008
Phyllis Schlafly :: Townhall.com Columnist
One Brave Judge Resists Feminist Agenda
by Phyllis Schlafly
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A New Jersey judge recently confronted an issue that courts have been avoiding for years: Are restraining orders constitutional? Accused criminals have "due process" and many other constitutional rights, but feminists have persuaded many judges to issue orders that restrain actions of non-criminals and punish them based on flimsy, unproved accusations.

These restraining orders are issued without the due process required for criminal prosecutions, yet they carry the threat of a prison sentence for anyone who violates them.

Anibal and Vivian Crespo were divorced and rearing their children in the same household when they had a fight, and Vivian asked for a restraining order. Anibal was not charged with any crime, but the judge issued the restraining order, which banned Anibal from his own house and thereby separated him from his children.

Anibal made several good arguments that the New Jersey Prevention of Domestic Violence Act is unconstitutional. Judge Francis B. Schultz rejected most of those arguments, but he cited a long line of cases holding that "clear and convincing evidence" is required in order to take away fundamental rights, such as a parent's right over the care and custody of his children.

Feminists are in an uproar about Judge Schultz's decision and would like the New Jersey Supreme Court to reverse it. Feminists want courts to uphold a woman's right to kick a man out of his home based on a woman's unverified accusations.

Family courts are notorious for issuing restraining orders based on one woman's unsupported request. The New Jersey Law Journal reported that an instructor taught judges to be merciless to husbands and fathers, saying, "Throw him out on the street, give him the clothes on his back, and tell him, 'See ya' around.' "

People have a better chance to prove their innocence in traffic court than when subjected to a restraining order. Too often, the order serves no legitimate purpose, but is just an easy way for one spouse to get revenge or the upper hand in a divorce or child custody dispute.

Once a restraining order is issued, it becomes nearly impossible for a father to retain custody or even get to see his own children. That is the result even though the alleged domestic violence, which doesn't have to be physical or proven, did not involve the children at all.

The U.S. Supreme Court recently agreed to hear another case, U.S. v. Hayes, to decide whether an old misdemeanor domestic violence conviction can bar a man from ever owning a gun. Everyone agrees that convicted felons should not have guns, but misdemeanors are minor offenses that usually carry no jail time.

Under feminist pressure, most courts have interpreted federal law broadly to deprive millions of men of their gun rights. However, in the Hayes case, a 2-1 majority on the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals had the courage to stand up to feminists and rule that Hayes had no fair warning that prosecutors would stretch the definition of domestic violence to include his minor offense.

Randy Edward Hayes had a dispute with his wife in 1994, pled guilty to misdemeanor battery, and served one year of probation. Ten years later, he was prosecuted for having a Winchester rifle in his West Virginia home.

Why are men with clean histories except for one domestic dispute punished like hardened criminals who mug strangers on the street? The answer is that the feminist agenda calls for domestic-violence laws to punish husbands and fathers above and beyond what can be proven in court under due-process procedures.

When U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., voted for the federal law prohibiting a man from owning a gun if he has a domestic violence conviction, she stated, "It is an unfortunate fact that many domestic violence offenders are never convicted of a felony. Outdated or ineffective laws often treat domestic violence as a lesser offense. ... Plea bargains often result in misdemeanor convictions for what are really felony crimes."

In other words, Feinstein wants to pretend a man is a felon even if he is not. That's the feminist anti-male agenda.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled this year in District of Columbia v. Heller that we all have a fundamental constitutional right to own and use a gun. We will soon see how serious the court is in defending our Second Amendment right.

It's time to restore basic constitutional rights to husbands and fathers by repudiating the feminist agenda that considers men guilty unless proven innocent.

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Phyllis Schlafly is a national leader of the pro-family movement, a nationally syndicated columnist and author of Feminist Fantasies.
 
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Feminazis
as Rush accurately calls them are rabid in their fear and hatred of all things male.

Feminism has nothing to do with womens' suffrogate and championing women to be treated as equal citizens.

Their objective is to denigrate and emasculate men into wimpering, spineless fools.

And these same feminists (who are single) complain to me ad nauseum about the lack of real men.

My message to them: "Look in the mirror!"

Phyllis writes,

"Feminists want courts to uphold a woman's right to kick a man out of his home based on a woman's unverified accusations."


Phyllis, obviously you are intentionally looking for stories highlighting these militant screwball feminists in an attempt to categorize all feminists as nutcases. I know several "feminists", none which are looking to "kick a man out of his home based on (her) unverified accusations".


It's occurred to me, Phyll, that you have never written a single solitary column relating the experiences of an average, non-militant feminists who simply wants to ameliorate existing injustices in the system. You concentrate on the freaks. You are obsessed with the lunatics, the feminists that, by definition, do not represent the whole.


From wikipedia:
"The feminist activist Gloria Steinem and the author Pia de Solenni, among others, have noted what they consider irony in Schlafly's role as an advocate for the full-time mother and wife, while being herself a lawyer, editor of a
monthly newsletter, regular speaker at anti-liberal rallies, and political activist. In her review of Schlafly's Feminist Fantasies, de Solenni writes that "Schlafly's discussion reveals a paradox. She was able to have it all: family and career. And she did it by fighting those who said they were trying to get it all for her..."

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Lawyer Schlafly? Political activist Schlafly?
Phyllis, you are more LIKE Gloria Steinum than unlike. You epitomize, in a sense, the modern feminist. You HAD IT ALL. Family and career, just like the feminists say you can.

Once Again, Thank You Phyllis Schlafly
America's courts have been hijacked by lib-fascist activist judges since the Carter Administration and the problem exploded during the Clinton years. America;s courts have become agents for implementing the gay agenda, the feminist agenda, the anti-european-american agenda, all parts of the liberal fascist agenda. The long-term solution is to strip the courts of power, by getting rid of the Supreme Court and the Appellate courts, drastically reducing the numbers of judges, greatly expanding mandatory minimum sentencing, reducing appeal rights, expediting executions, eliminating parole, removing family matters and social engineering from the courts' jurisdiction, and most importantly, making every judge position an elected office so that liberal activist judges can be removed. It's telling that Ms. Schlafly is only able to find one judge who is willing to take on the rabid anti-male feminists. I'm sure this judge will live to regret his decision. LIberals swarm like schoolds of pirhanas - conservatives with their go-it-alone approach are at a huge disadvantage. I hope the article results in some folks letting judge Schultz know he is not alone. But in the long term, jurisdiciton over family matters should be removed from the court system.

Average Non-militant Feminist?
There is no such thing. Be definition, a feminist is one who hates males. This is the same nutty argument made about Muslims, whose holy book instructs them to murder anyone who disagrees with them. Feminism by definition claims the existence of an oppressive patriarchy, when the fact of the matter is that women have always had more property and more wealth than men. "The system" is and always has been stacked towards women and against men, feminist propaganda notwithstanding. Feminists do not want equality, because they would have to give up some of their power. They want totalitarian control, and they are well on the way to getting it. The worst thing that ever happened to freedom was allowing women to vote. The result of that disastrous decision has been a relentless march towards liberal-fascist totalitarianism. Women would rather make us all slaves than be free but vulnerable to life's risks.

Feminism as I understand it
has nothing to do with injustice, with using the court to manipulate, with being so petty so as to refuse a father his rights. In the case of restraining orders, I thought they were to protect from found abuse, to prevent the abuser from access to the abused. Seems to me, everyone needs to look hard and long in the mirror and be honest with themselves and others. If, and I do mean if, you are in danger of being harmed, you have a right to protection. If you cry wolf, you are making it difficult for the ones who need protection to continue to receive it. Maybe the PFA orders should be issued pending trial, be dismissed if no trial happens, and have to be proven to be accurately needed before being something on record as having been fact? Sounds like the same abuse some people used to cry rape when no rape occured? False reports should be prosecuted as well, should they not? Of course, with the overuse of courts going on in our society already, when would they have the time to hear all of the cases anyway? Turns into a circle jerk no matter how you look at it, but some of the people have always suffered for the indiscriminate misuse of others. That is how a lot of the laws came to be on the books to begin with, to cover the loopholes that debates for the sake of debating open for the abuse to begin with. Honesty, integrity, ethics, morals, those are the things we lack in the process, and in our society at large. How to get them back? Not by name calling or pointing the finger, but with common sense, probably.

Restraining Orders are not Feminist
I am a retired Probation Officer in California and a conservative who rarely agrees with anything Feinstein says. However, I think Phyllis is way off on her characterization of restraining orders, domestic violence and gun ownership. Obtaining a restraining order is not as easy as she claims. One does have to prove danger from an offending party.

And my goodness, guns SHOULD BE DENIED to people who have ever been convicted of domestic violence, whether or not it's a felony!! Feinstein is correct, plea bargains happen with regularity and any kind of violence should prevent a person from owning a gun. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Dianne Feinstein.

Darlene

Ex's shouldn't exist.
Not so Darlene. Maybe in your narrow vision of seeing the extremes. My ex wife wanted the opportunity to get married again and not have an ex as a reminder standing in the wings. The kids were just an addendum to that desire. Does ‘will’ posted below, understand not to see your children because your being was an inconvenience? As if a slate to be wiped, clean. Payments every month, college, and little visitation. She taught the kids to despise me, to be used only as a money source. For fifteen years, it has been very miserable to say the least. To have someone like Phyllis standing up for me and others like me is a blessing. Ignorant fools like ‘will’ should suffer without a voice, then I’d bet he/she/or it, would be whistling another tune.

Women voters
doctorfixit is correct. The trouble began when spineless congressmen gave in to the suffragettes and allowed women the vote. Martin Dooley warned against it at the time: "Politics ain't beanbag: 'tis a man's game, and women, children 'n' pro-hy-bitionists had best stay out of it," but we didn't listen. The ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, and all other civilizations, including the founding fathers of our own country, knew better than to let women into politics. But then we grew soft and let it happen. Now we have the Feinsteins, Pelosis, Hillaries, Boxers, and all the other power-mad old harridans pushing us pell-mell toward a woman's notion of the ideal society: socialism, with all men (especially white ones) dominated and guided by feminism. By nature, women are obsessed with security, and they see overarching government control as the answer to everything.

My wife is correct when she says that women also naturally crave power, and if allowed to get it, will go insane with it. Take a look at Pelosi's new book, the one that no one will buy, fortunately. There she is on the cover wearing pants, with the word "POWER" written across them in big capital letters. That's what we've allowed, boys, and it's only going to get worse unless we reassert ourselves. I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

Whenever I see those photos of congressmen standing meekly and respectfully behind that screwball Pelosi while she pontificates into a microphone, I mourn the loss of our national manhood. We're handing our destiny over to a bunch of screwy old gorgons, and we are going to pay dearly for this emasculation and feminization of our society.

reality check
doctorfixit: "....when the fact of the matter is that women have always had more property and more wealth than men."

Where in the hell did you come up with that one?

"Be definition, a feminist is one who hates males."

No, feminism is the radical notion that women are equal to men.

Recovered Lib: "Feminism has nothing to do with womens' suffrogate and championing women to be treated as equal citizens."

See answer #2 above.

Do any of you realize that a restraining order can be ordered against someone NOT in a domestic dispute. A man can get one against a man. Watch the movie Cape Fear (either version, but Gregory Peck/Robert Mitchum version was vastly better) of a situation that could happen where you would want a restraining order. There are a lot of mentally unbalanced people out there, and it's not some feminist threat causing restraining orders. It's America's nutjobs (and man oh manishevitz, we got 'em in this country).

THE I HATE MEN CLUB
Listen guys...you can listen to QueenVashti tell you what a sexist pig I am...or you can go sit for a few hours in family court and witness what's going on for your self. I strongly suggest you do exactly this before you decide to marry. It will scare the crap out of you - guaranteed.

There is absolutely nothing stopping a woman from getting a guy locked out of his house. If you have a home office - you are up the creek without a paddle - she could do a yard sale on your stuff. Lawyers will push for a restraining order because it will obviously put them in complete control of the situation. The last thing a lawyer wants is for you to reconcile. It's just ugly bro.


sanity restored?
the law used to look the other way when abusive men were a REAL threat! And many of wives/ex-wives were killed...then the swing to the extreme took place--- you men are guilty
even tho' you "aint" guilty!And of course diane
FINK stein had to open her excrete cavity.......
boy, this state of Calif. is in a mess......
a match for that outer mongolia called Mass.
elvis

Taliban Phyllis
Phyllis: I am a Christian Conservative college educated woman.
Are you the new representative of the Taliban in the United States?
Do advocate for the removal of the token protections for women and children in the US"
Your article sounds as though that's the case.
What is your suggestin for protecting women and children in the home?
As a retired Social Worker and Educator I can verify that most of the horrific acts of violence in the home go unreported because of fear and the knowledge that they will rarely receive any protection.
How many women and children have been murdered because they did not receive help nor restraining orders enforced.
You are living safely (but for those who aren't) are you so smug and indifferent to their plight?
On the scales of protecting the woman and children vs the comfort of the man you choose the comfort of the man who in our system of law was served a restraining order....I would definitely say that you are of the Taliban.

no guns
You don't have to be convicted of anything. If you have a permanent restraining order, you cannot own a gun. Federal law. A permanent restraining order based on one person's lies ends gun rights in this country, for that person. Restraining orders are mostly used by hateful women to harm men whether they deserve it or not. I've seen it. Go watch your local court. They are handed out like candy everyday regardless of proof. Better to be safe than sorry. But a restraining order isn't going to stop a killer. But it works great for taking away the rights of the innocent, the law abiding.

Qeen Vashti
You are a liar. I've been around the courts. I know the law. I know how it works. I've heard our feminist judge brag about handing out restraining orders. She does not care about proof, only that one is asked for.

If you are a man and this happens to you, fight like h3ll. Somewhere up the line you will find a judge that follows the law.

Hear, hear!
Dr. Fixit, Jaybird, Dukas and Carlos are right on the money. CA is the prototype nanny fascist state due in no small part to leftist female politicos and, even more oppressively, as bench sitters.

The probation officer says the man should be stripped of his 2nd amendment rights in a domestic violence situation. Statisically, the woman is just as likely to have INITIATED the violence as the man but the fascist courts hardly entertain such a notion and more likely than not convict the male on female say so alone.

Will's drivel isn't worth commenting on - too hallucinogenic. And the rabid Caligula either dismisses facts out of hand or rants out string of invectives and ad hominems - very intellegent.

BTW, Cal, statistically, women do control over half the private wealth of this country, somewhere in the range of 52% plus.

guns sold to one with restraining order
PS Show me where the constitutional right to bear arms is intended to grant a man, who has violated the laws of God (to love his wife) and the laws of our nation and shown himself to be a physical threat to his family, should be allowed to obtain a weapon to kill them.

By the way I am not anti-gun. My father taught me to shoot and I taught my 2 daughters and bought my grandson his first gun. I agree with a persons right to defend but not to murder.

Pinto Man and Grubby
I'm so glad that you blogged on because you're both good cases in point that there are irrational men who should not own a weapon

What the Divorce Industry Hides
"Here we arrive at the crowning achievement of the divorce regime and the one most thoroughly disguised by politically correct politicians, journalists, ansd scholars" writes Stephen Baskerville: "the massive and even institutionalized epidemic of child abuse — emotional, physical, and sexual — for which it is largely responsible and on which it may even be said to thrive. For the uncontrovertible fact is that divorce and single-parent homes are not precipitated by child abuse, as the courts, bar associations, and feminists would have us believe, but the other way around.

"…When we recall that 80 percent of divorces are inflicted on the children by only one parent — who can do so over the objections of the other — it is not unreasonable to class divorce itself as a form of preventable child abuse.

"But the psychological abuse is only the beginning of the nightmare for the children of divorce. Beyond it is the physical and sexual violence to which children in single-mother homes are exposed far more than those in intact families. For contrary to misleading statements propagated by the child abuse branch of the divorce industry, the uncontested and inescapable fact of central importance in understanding the causes of sexual abuse is that it is overwhelmingly a phenomenon of single-parent homes.

"…the political and financial incentives that induce prosecutors, family courts, and child protective services to exaggerate and even fabricate charges of child abuse against parents in order to take away their children"

Nonsense and Myths About Male Violence
As Stephen Baskerville has written (in "Taken Into Custody: The War Against Fathers, Marriage, and the Family") — More extracts here: http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2008/06/witch-hunts-in-cont emporary-america-is.html

…"the claims [of battering] themselves are revealing. Were they true, one would expect the principal concern to be that men are beating their wives and not being prosecuted, with custody as secondary. If duly convicted criminals are incarcerated as expected, after all, questions of child custody should not arise. Instead, custody is the principal complaint, confirming that the alleged "batterers" have not been convicted of battering or any other crime.

"Ostensibly scientific feminist scholarship is similarly revealing. Fathers trying to see their children following unproven accusations is described as "further violence" and the "threat of kidnapping"; simply responding to court proceedings is described as "violence." One highly influential feminist scholar claims to have examined 100,000 cases where women "reported" that "the batterer threatened to kidnap their children," "batterers had threatened legal custody action," and "the battering man used court-ordered visitation as an occasion to continue verbal and emotional abuse of the woman." This is not violence; it is fathers trying to recover their children through the same legal process by which their children were removed and which, in most cases, they themselves did not initiate.

…"These blanket assertions of what "may" happen are a favorite device for smearing innocent citizens who have been neither convicted nor charged with any legal infraction and are guilty of nothing more than wanting their children back, since of course anything "may" be true"

Restraining-Order Madness
"Fathers enjoy fewer constitutional protections than accused criminals", Stephen Baskerville writes in his book http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2008/06/witch-hunts-in-cont emporary-america-is.html

"Restraining orders … do not punish criminals for illegal acts they are proven to have committed but prohibit law-abiding citizens from otherwise legal acts. "Once the restraining order is in place, a vast range of ordinarily legal behavior," most often contact with one's own children, is "criminalized." … "It criminalizes conduct that is not generally criminal—namely, presence at home," writes Suk. "The protection order thus enables the creation of a crime out of innocent behavior of being at home."

"But it is only a crime for the recipient of the order, who can them be arrested for doing what no statue prohibits and what the rest of us many do without penalty … Because violent assault and other statutory crimes are already by definition punishable, the only people effectively restrained from anything are peaceful, law-abiding fathers who are prohibited from seeing their children.

"The purpose of the order then is to create the criminal, and it is the order itself, rather than any violent act, that creates the crime. "Indeed, part of the reason the order exists is to be violated, so as to set in motion criminal prosecution," Suk continues. "After all, violating the court order is a crime even if the conduct the order prohibits is ordinarily not a crime."

Jailed for trying to phone their kids
More extracts from Baskerville's "Taken Into Custody":

"…"In a criminal trial, defendants … are presumed innocent. They have a right to a trial by jury. They have the right to face their accusers and have evidence presented and cross examine any witnesses. They may not be deprived of property or liberty without due process of law. [Guilt must be proven] beyond a reasonable doubt. The law has to be clearly defined. They have a right to a lawyer, and to be provided one if they cannot afford one … The abuse law throws out all of those protections." "

Describing accused fathers not as "defendants" but as "perpetrators" and "batterers," while omitting the word "alleged" is the norm not only in feminist literature but in media reports and, most seriously, in state and federal statutes.

"… "Fathers whose only crime was falling out of favor with the mothers of their children are being jailed for trying to telephone their kids." says Charalambous. "What is the logical conclusion, a world where everyone has a protection order against anyone they find annoying?"

"It is fairly clear that restraining orders serve as another tool to enforce divorce and sole custody; by keeping parents apart they keep the divorce as belligerant (and profitable) as possible. … Once again it appears that restraining orders protect not safety but power. They are not an instrument of justice to prevent wrongdoing but a tool of the divorce industry to keep itself in business."

Jailed for trying to phone their kids
Baskerville, again:
"…"In a criminal trial, defendants … are presumed innocent. They have a right to a trial by jury. They have the right to face their accusers and have evidence presented and cross examine any witnesses. They may not be deprived of property or liberty without due process of law. [Guilt must be proven] beyond a reasonable doubt. The law has to be clearly defined. They have a right to a lawyer, and to be provided one if they cannot afford one … The abuse law throws out all of those protections." "

Describing accused fathers not as "defendants" but as "perpetrators" and "batterers," while omitting the word "alleged" is the norm not only in feminist literature but in media reports and, most seriously, in state and federal statutes.

"… "Fathers whose only crime was falling out of favor with the mothers of their children are being jailed for trying to telephone their kids" says Charalambous. "What is the logical conclusion, a world where everyone has a protection order against anyone they find annoying?"

"It is fairly clear that restraining orders serve as another tool to enforce divorce and sole custody; by keeping parents apart they keep the divorce as belligerant (and profitable) as possible. … Once again it appears that restraining orders protect not safety but power. They are not an instrument of justice to prevent wrongdoing but a tool of the divorce industry to keep itself in business."


Jailed for trying to phone their kids
Baskerville, again:
"…"In a criminal trial, defendants … are presumed innocent. They have a right to a trial by jury. They have the right to face their accusers and have evidence presented and cross examine any witnesses. They may not be deprived of property or liberty without due process of law. [Guilt must be proven] beyond a reasonable doubt. The law has to be clearly defined. They have a right to a lawyer, and to be provided one if they cannot afford one … The abuse law throws out all of those protections." "

Describing accused fathers not as "defendants" but as "perpetrators" and "batterers," while omitting the word "alleged" is the norm not only in feminist literature but in media reports and, most seriously, in state and federal statutes.

"… "Fathers whose only crime was falling out of favor with the mothers of their children are being jailed for trying to telephone their kids" says Charalambous. "What is the logical conclusion, a world where everyone has a protection order against anyone they find annoying?"

"It is fairly clear that restraining orders serve as another tool to enforce divorce and sole custody; by keeping parents apart they keep the divorce as belligerant (and profitable) as possible. … Once again it appears that restraining orders … are not an instrument of justice to prevent wrongdoing but a tool of the divorce industry to keep itself in business."

Who Is REALLY Most Likely to Abuse Kids?
As Stephen Baskerville demonstrates in his book, "The most dangerous place for a child is the home of a single mother. The HHS studies confirmed the already well-etablished fact that children in single-parent households are at much higher risk for physical violence and sexual molestation than those living in two-parent homes"

"…"The person who is least likely to abuse a child is a married father," notes Canadian Senator Anne Cools. "The person who is most likely is a single, unmarried mother." Maggie Gallagher sums up the reality: "The person most likely to abuse a child physically is a single mother. The person most likely to abuse a child sexually is the mother's boyfriend or second husband." A two-parent family is "the safest environment for children."

"Shorn of ideological euphemism, what these figures effectively demonstrate is that the presence of the second parent, usually the father, constitutes the principal impediment to abuse. At one time all this would have been considered commons sense, because two parents check each another's excesses and the father was traditionally recognized as the children's natural protector.

"What is striking about this is how self-generating it is. By refusing to face the ideologically incorrect solution of simply allowing the father to remain in his family, government bureaucracies can present themselves as the solution to the very problems they themselves create. The more child abuse that takes place — whether by "parents" or by the social work bureaucracies themselves — the more the proffered solution is to further expand the child abuse bureaucracy"

Dads with no previous bent for violence
"By depicting fathers as killers, the promoters of compassion and self-described champions of children can ignore the one efficacious, common-sense solution of returning the father to the home and instead respond to the escalating child abuse crisis by increasing the number of personnel and agencies that are perpetrating it"

In "Taken Into Custody", Stephen Baskerville continues: "it is apparent that much of the abuse takes place not despite government programs, but because of them. Legally speaking, it it the courts that create the single-mother homes where the bulk of the child abuse takes place and that force the fathers away from the children.

"…Not only has the father's role as his children's protector now become politically incorrect; the divorce machine has perverted it into a fault. Such "male violence against women" as does occur is almost certainly the result of child stealing more often than it is the cause, since common sense suggests that fathers with no previous proclivity to violence could well erupt when their children are taken. A significant percentage of domestic violence occurs during litigated divorces in families who never had a history of it," according to Douglas Schoenberg, a New Jersey divorce attorney and mediator. At the risk of laboring the ideologically incorrect obvious, one is tempted to say this is precisely what fathers are for: to become violent when someone interferes with their children."

"By expunging justice from family courts, we are institutionalizing injustice not only in our political system but also in the raising of our children.

"…"The divorce revolution can more accurately be described as a shift in power … a game heavily in favor of the unfaithful, the immature, the betrayer," [conservative Maggie Gallagher] writes."

Dads with no previous bent for violence
"By depicting fathers as killers, the promoters of compassion and self-described champions of children can ignore the one efficacious, common-sense solution of returning the father to the home and instead respond to the escalating child abuse crisis by increasing the number of personnel and agencies that are perpetrating it"

In "Taken Into Custody", Stephen Baskerville continues: "it is apparent that much of the abuse takes place not despite government programs, but because of them. Legally speaking, it it the courts that create the single-mother homes where the bulk of the child abuse takes place and that force the fathers away from the children.

"…Not only has the father's role as his children's protector now become politically incorrect; the divorce machine has perverted it into a fault. Such "male violence against women" as does occur is almost certainly the result of child stealing more often than it is the cause, since common sense suggests that fathers with no previous proclivity to violence could well erupt when their children are taken. A significant percentage of domestic violence occurs during litigated divorces in families who never had a history of it," according to Douglas Schoenberg, a New Jersey divorce attorney and mediator. At the risk of laboring the ideologically incorrect obvious, one is tempted to say this is precisely what fathers are for: to become violent when someone interferes with their children."

"By expunging justice from family courts, we are institutionalizing injustice not only in our political system but also in the raising of our children.

"…"The divorce revolution can more accurately be described as a shift in power … a game heavily in favor of the unfaithful, the immature, the betrayer," [Maggie Gallagher] writes."

Dads with no previous bent for violence
"By depicting fathers as killers, the promoters of compassion and self-described champions of children can ignore the one efficacious, common-sense solution of returning the father to the home and instead respond to the escalating child abuse crisis by increasing the number of personnel and agencies that are perpetrating it"

In "Taken Into Custody", Stephen Baskerville continues: "it is apparent that much of the abuse takes place not despite government programs, but because of them. Legally speaking, it it the courts that create the single-mother homes where the bulk of the child abuse takes place and that force the fathers away from the children.

"…Not only has the father's role as his children's protector now become politically incorrect; the divorce machine has perverted it into a fault. Such "male violence against women" as does occur is almost certainly the result of child stealing more often than it is the cause, since common sense suggests that fathers with no previous proclivity to violence could well erupt when their children are taken. A significant percentage of domestic violence occurs during litigated divorces in families who never had a history of it," according to Douglas Schoenberg, a New Jersey divorce attorney and mediator. At the risk of laboring the ideologically incorrect obvious, one is tempted to say this is precisely what fathers are for: to become violent when someone interferes with their children."

"By expunging justice from family courts, we are institutionalizing injustice not only in our political system but also in the raising of our children.

"…"The divorce revolution can more accurately be described as a shift in power … a game heavily in favor of the unfaithful, the immature, the betrayer," [Maggie Gallagher] writes."

The True Meaning of "Losing Custody"
"In the jargon of family law, faithfully parroted by the media and academia, this father has "lost custody," a simple and harmless enough sounding formulation of events, so common as to be mundane. But this jargon disguises far-reaching implications. In plain English, this father's unauthorized association with his own children is now a crime."

In "Taken Into Custody (The War Against Fathers, Marriage, and the Family)", Stephen Baskerville adds that "the media will go to any lengths to avoid admitting that we are in a massive epidemic of government-sponsored child stealing. So pervasive is the demonization of fathers today that fathers themselves share in it even after they have become its victims. "It is typical for a man to believe … the media myth of the Evil Male," writes Robert Seidenberg. "While he knows that he is a great father himself, he thinks everybody else is a deadbeat dad."

"A look at the government machinery reveals that it was created not *in response to* claims of widespread nonpayment but *before* them, and that it was less a response to "deadbeat dads" than a mechanism to create them.

"…child support is no longer primarily a method for requiring men to take responsibility for the offspring they have sired and then abandoned, as most people are led to believe. Overwhelmingly it is now a regime whereby "a father is forced to finance the filching of his own children."

Excerpts here: http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2008/06/witch-hunts-in-cont emporary-america-is.html

Child-support machine: its cruelest side
"Within the closed discursive world of the enforcement regime, a father becomes a 'deadbeat' if for any reason he fails or refuses to surrender control of his family to the hegemony of the state

"For all its professed concern about fathers "abandoning" their children, the regime comes down hardest on those fathers who refuse to do so, since fathers who quit their jobs to move to where their children have been taken are given no relief for this sacrifice of their careers and earning power but instead can be prosecuted for being unemployed and losing income

"Men who are truly intent on abandoning their progeny have little difficulty in disappearing; it is fathers who want to see their children who allow themselves to be snared. *****This may reveal the cruelest and most cynical side of the child-support machine: its willingness to use a father's love for his children to plunder and destroy him.*****"

http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2008/06/witch-hunts-in-conte mporary-america-is.html
To conclude with this Stephen Baskerville quote:

"From this perspective, allegations about fathers not paying child support, hiding savings with relatives, and so forth are not only one-sided; they may well indicate PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE of a father "abandoning' his children. They are THE ENTIRELY PREDICTABLE BEHAVIOR of a father trying to recover his children, provide for them himself, and perhaps even hold his family together."

This Is PRECISELY What Fathers Are FOR
"The state knows that by taking a man's children, it has created an outlaw." Regarding the average honest citizen's (entirely logical) reaction of outrage (and fury) to being thus branded, Baskerville points out that "when one parent takes the children from the other, it creates very unstable and dangerous conditions indeed — conditions that make violence not only possible but logical. This may be why mothers who snatch the children and seek restraining orders against fathers before the fathers have done anything wrong can tell the court so convincingly that they are "in fear" from him: They know what THEY would do if someone took THEIR children from THEM…

"As most of us know (but as the divorce regime labors to make us forget), there is nothing more than the natural and predictable and even expected response of any parent when someone interferes with their children. "People in marital conflict are fighting over the most important matters in their lives," writes solicitor Adiran Pellman, with British understatement…"

To repeat a passage from "Taken Into Custody":

"Not only has the father's role as his children's protector now become politically incorrect; the divorce machine has perverted it into a fault. Such "male violence against women" as does occur is almost certainly the result of child stealing more often than it is the cause, since common sense suggests that fathers with no previous proclivity to violence could well erupt when their children are taken. A significant percentage of domestic violence occurs during litigated divorces in families who never had a history of it," according to [one] New Jersey divorce attorney and mediator. At the risk of laboring the ideologically incorrect obvious, one is tempted to say ***this is precisely what fathers are for: to become violent when someone interferes with their children***."

A couple of things
First, Asteriks, your article is interesting, but I think that providing a summary and a link would've been more considerate than large-scale copying and pasting.

Second, one of the quotations in that article poses an obvious and vital question: "What is the logical conclusion?" What kinds of legal behavior within and without the minefield of domestic relations may courts restrain in advance? If an unproven accusation is grounds for a restraining order, what else will suffice? When does a history of illegality or the mere possibility thereof justify prior restraint?

Is it permissible to prevent mothers-in-law from dropping by because such visits historically result in quarreling? To prohibit swimming pools because sometimes people drown in those that aren't properly secured? To disband a citizens' group because it might someday violate the McCain-Feingold Incumbent-Protection Act? To bar a speaker because the audience may overreact? To suppress coverage of a government scandal because terrorists might take the resulting upheaval as a sign of exploitable weakness?

How far down the slope to judicial tyranny shall we go?


Saint Augustine on great robberies
took so many excerpts from "Taken Into Custody (The War Against Fathers, Marriage, and the Family)", Paleocon, precisely because I feel that Stephen Baskerville's book answers ALL the questions on this matter, *including* the points you bring up.

To answer your specific questions, therefore (actually I didn't just copy and paste, I *typed* 30 (!) pages of notes on my computer keyboard): "As Dickens once said of lawyers, scholars have a prodigious capacity to create work for themselves, which they accomplish largely by devising controversies which have no possible resolution. Thus the proliferation of ever-more-esoteric studies that approach family issues from every possible angle except the central one. … All these government-funded studies are geared to influencing HOW government officials should exercise control over families rather than WHETHER or WHY they should at all.

"[Common-sense] questions are simply never asked in the scholarly literature, because they would undermine the edifice at its foundations. Scholars, of all people, should be raising questions others are not asking and provoking us to think from fresh angles. Family research is funded largely by the federal government, however, and questions that embarrass the government do not lead to research grants, promotions, or influence within policy-making circles

"In a free society, courts exist to dispense justice. When courts stop dispensing justice, they will start dispensing injustice; there really is no middle ground. Without justice, asked St. Augustine, 'what are kingdoms but great robberies?'"

It is hardly surprising, therefore, that Baskerville concludes that "Government officials who knowingly violate the constitutional rights of American citizens by seizing their children without cause are committing criminal acts…"

Chivalry has no place in the law
We need to end chivalry in the law. Our society has developed a very bad habit over the past 30 years of shifting the expectation of chivalrous behavior from males to intuitions. Furthermore, American institutions find it much too easy to discriminate against males and favor females.

When you think about it… some ironic things have happened with our institutions over the past 30 years. Back in the day, the husband was the head of the family and he was burdened with the duties in a paternalist society. Along with the large burdens, men had a few privileges to trick them into thinking it was worthwhile to be the patriarch. Today, the patriarchal authority has shifted to government. Both men and women are risking their freedoms by allowing a omnipresent government to wield the power and privileges of the patriarch.



Family Courts: Destroying Families
Family courts are in the business of destroying one family at a time.

Why should the system not automatically give each parent 50% of teh time with the kids unless the contesting spouse PROVES a reason for otherwise.

Once a lawyer is involved there is no incentive for reconciliation the spouses are told or prohibited from communication. In 90% of the case the fathers are separated from their children - maybe get a couple of hours a week.

Once again, judges, social workers, and others involved should have PERSONAL liability for their actions.


Officials Willfully Violate Constitution
"In a free society, public tribunals exist to dispense justice against violators of the law or legal agreements" repeats Stephen Baskerville. "When they stop dispensing justice they begin to dispense injustice; there is really no tenable middle ground…"

Excerpts here:
http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2008/06/witch-hunts-in-conte mporary-america-is.html

"…The divorce regime is at the vanguard of a trend toward enacting bills of attainder or legislative declarations of guilt, which are explicitly prohibited by the Constitution. … The regime of involuntary divorce, forcible removal of children, coerced child support, and knowingly false accusations is now warping our entire legal system, undermining and overturning principles of common law that have protected individual rights for centuries. The presumption of innocence has been inverted… The child-support system also overturns the centuries-old common-law principle that a father could not be forced to pay for the stealing of his own children…

"…our elected officials have shown little inclination to fulfill the oath our Constitution requires of them for its own preservation. And when it comes to the divorce courts, their diffidence often extends to protecting and assisting unconstitutional and intrusive practices of the judiciary. It is hardly surprising that the same authorities that have the power to rip apart families can also rip up the Bill of Rights and other protections. As [Frederick] Douglass observed, tyranny cannot forever remain isolated and contained within one sector of society but must inevitably fester and spread and poison all government…"

I stand corrected
And I tip my hat. If I had the stamina to type 30 pages in one go, the results would probably look like Mayan arithmetic.

Some of my questions are rhetorical, by the way. For example, I asked how far courts will go in prior restraint of legal behavior because it's obvious that they'll go just as far as we _let_ them go.

Now I suppose that I shall have to read the rest of the book.

connie
"I'm so glad that you blogged on because you're both good cases in point that there are irrational men who should not own a weapon."

Oh, and you're so politically correct and obviously rational - why prior restraint is called for simply based on emotions and feelings.

Take a look at yourself and realize how authoritarian and fascist you are.

ChrisR
Chris,
The strategy I would like to see is as follows:

Unless one of the parents is deemed clearly unfit, the court should decide child custody with the flip of a coin. The custody outcome would not be known until the end of the divorce proceedings. This would make women think twice and try to resolve relationship issues before filing for divorce.

Today, 75% of divorces are initiated by women. I think much of this is caused by the fact that women risk little in divorce. Women usually get the marriage's two primary assets - the children and the house. And of course, with the children come a support payment.

Today courts split hairs in determining what is "in the best interest of the child". Most fathers are good parents and any difference in performance between mothers and fathers is marginal at best. The result is that in most cases, the mother gets the spoils of divorce.

Changing to a coin toss method of determining child custody, would greatly change the behavior of women for the better in our society.

Our society has institutionalized the dis-empowerment and marginalization of men. We are currently living in a new era for Jim Crow.

I know a man who was arrested
for being at his divorce hearing after being served a restraining order. (He was within __ feet of his wife.)

I also know one guy who invited a woman to his place not knowing she was *unstable.* When she wouldn't leave willingly after 5 days - he picked her up and PUT HER OUTSIDE - gently.

He was charged with domestic violence (she had gotten a bruise falling UP the stairs) and was restrained from HIS OWN HOME that she had NO PART IN AT ALL. After getting out of jail, he went home to find ALL HIS POSSESSIONS RUINED. Even tho his neighbors had tried to tell the police that he had lived there ALONE for 20 years! That the WOMAN was the problem! By the way, the woman disappeared and he was left with one of those restraining orders...

Feinstein: where has SHE been?
"Plea bargains often result in misdemeanor convictions for what are really felony crimes."

So, where has SHE been? How many mothers have killed their children and gotten off with a misdemeanor child endangerment charge?

Alright
Fall in!

Vito, front and center.

Let's see what this puke has to say:

"Who cares what Schlafly says anymore????"

Well, dirtbag, for starters, I CARE.

Let's get a show of how many others care what Schafly says. Make a post and let Vito the dirtbag know that we don't consider her to be irrelevant.

'Nuff said!

Fall out!

When children are involved ...
... the man is the automatic loser because a child is the de facto property of its mother from conception until age 18. Abortion, for example, is just the mother exercising her property rights over her unborn.

difficult issues
Schafely is right that it is very easy to obtain a temporary restraining order based on no evidence. And the courts will then keep the father from the children, or limit visitation to supervised settings as a matter of protection.

But she makes a clown of herself when she compares this to taking seriously a past conviction on battery. That means he hit his wife seriously enough that the police had to get involved. That Schafely wants to treat this as no big deal says a lot about her, and undermines the rest of the article.

The courts are in a difficult situation when faced with accusations of a threat of violence when children are involved. And so I can't blame it for bending over backwards to do what it sees as statistically most likely to protect the children. I think there should be more consequences if the charges are proven to be baseless. But then in most cases presumably the charges are not proven in any direction. That is to say criminal behavior is not proven in either direction, and normal visitation is established with the parents kept separate.

Well, now
In cases with restraining orders, courts generally have systems in place to keep the parents separated. If someone under a restraining order violates those procedures he would be treated as violating the restraining order, so there is nothing so strange about what you describe if the father took the opportunity of the hearing to let the mother know what he thinks.

The other example you mention doesn't make a lot of legal sense. A woman who has disappeared is hardly in a position to maintain a restraining order.

sedonaman
Children are not the ‘defacto’ property of women… it is explicit in the law.

This is a real world example from my family:

My niece died as a result of a defective heating system in a rented apartment. My brother is a very dependable and responsible person. He was a good father. His wife was an irresponsible person, bad wife, and intermittent mother.

When my brother and I went to a lawyer to investigate a negligence lawsuit, the lawyer told us the lawsuit must be filed in my brother’s wife’s name. I did not like what the lawyer was saying and asked some questions. The lawyer said point blank – according to state law, the father has no legal standing in the loss of a child, only the mother does.

That is a real smack in the face. A responsible good father, who carries the vast majority of family burden, has no standing in the law. A flaky mother does.

On all fronts government and society is working to marginalize fathers and men.

Getting to the point of balance
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Prior to that women had NO right to property or children if their husband decided to divorce them - zero! Now the pendulum has swung - perhaps too far in the other direction.

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Lon
"But she makes a clown of herself when she compares this to taking seriously a past conviction on battery. That means he hit his wife seriously enough that the police had to get involved. That Schafely wants to treat this as no big deal says a lot about her, and undermines the rest of the article."

I agree that a truly dangerous and violent person needs to be constrained and controled. The problem is the system for dealing with domistic issues has in many ways broken down.

Before you join the bash men lynch mob, please realize there is a serious problem with false accusation, charging, prosocution, and conviction of men in this country.

These issues need to be viewed skeptically.

Virginia - wrong
"Prior to that women had NO right to property or children if their husband decided to divorce them - zero! Now the pendulum has swung - perhaps too far in the other direction."

That is totally untrue! Please do not repeat the propoganda myths of the feminists.

Viewing particular social practices narrowly can be very deciving... and that has been one of the powerful tools of feminists for many years.

90 years ago society was patriacle and chivalistic. Men always had heavy burdens of caring for women. Women have always been a special protected class in society.

Today we have a matriarcle society, and a chivalistic government.

very interesting
Schlafly makes a good case. She makes these restraining orders look like some kind of pre-emptive strike based on suspicions and unconfirmed evidence. And she is also right about children being innocent victims caught in the middle. No true conservative could ever condone such tactics.

Societal Decline
Things have gotten so bad in our society that I have just about decided to tell my 20 year old son to stay single even though I would love to see granchildren one day. My wife has a nephew who got married several years ago to what seemed to be a very sweet young woman. They started having problems and broke up after less than two years. Ok divorce is regretable but it happens sometimes. They had no kids so it should have been an easy no fault situation. She was a schoolteacher and was well able to support herself. She found some liberal feminist judge and lawyer to agree to grant her alimony. Now my nephew is stuck with this for who knows how long. He met another woman and would like to get married again but the financial situation won't let him. I don't have an easy answer for all this but just thought I'd share what our society has come to in regards to marriage and family.

fienstien
just another good example of the dem agenda--fienstien, pelosie, obama,etc,etc

Restraining orders...
...are a weapon too often wielded by petty, vindictive people against unwary innocents. This is an issue that needs to be addressed by our courts and legislatures.

Unable to figure it out
Connie writes:

"As a retired Social Worker and Educator I can verify that most of the horrific acts of violence in the home go unreported because of fear and the knowledge that they will rarely receive any protection.
How many women and children have been murdered because they did not receive help nor restraining orders enforced."

I believe that you may be right in this, but it does not mean what you think it means. When you write: "Do (you) advocate for the removal of the token protections for women and children in the US?", you hit the nail on the head without realizing it. For the women who really need them, the protections often are mere tokens. The laws as they exist today are ineffective in stopping serious violence, but catch up millions of men guilty of nothing more than seeking a divorce. Truly dangerous situations are buried in the avalanche.
Domestic abuse is serious, but in redefining it, our lawmakers have only succeeded in trivializing it. They have lumped the malignant with the benign and called for radical surgery in every case. Ms. Schlafly is only calling for the malpractice to end.

The fact of the matter is...
...that I can open a phone book to a random page, point a random name out to a "judge" and say I fear for my life from that person, and POOF! I have me a TRO against that person. It IS, LITTERALLY, that easy. NO proof whatsoever, EVER has to be presented in any way, shape, or form. Forget a woman getting one on her husband (they are AUTOMATICALLY issued to any woman who requests one and is going through a divorce...at least in the CommonTheft of Massachusetts), ANYONE can get a TRO on ANYONE ELSE, for ANY or NO reason. If that person who gets slapped with the TRO happens to own guns, they go to jail, go directly to jail, they don't pass 'GO', they don't collect $200. No trial, no hearing, NOTHING. Poof, automatic felony.

Welcome to the "freedom loving" America.

Greatest generation . . .
as the Republican part tries its hand at the art of compromising CONSERVATIVE principles, Phyllis stands out as a guiding light IN SUPPORT OF THESE PRINCIPLES. Although a democrat, my father would applaud Phyllis as a "great one" of his generation. Why do I know this? It is because my father had a very consistent teaching for me as a grew up and was tempted to over-react to situations: TWO WRONGS NEVER MADE A RIGHT. Thank you Phyllis for an unabashed defense of that truth.

Phyllis is a National Treasure.


An emotional woman = a guilty man
Women run society so they essentially set the rules. Men don't hit women, they can be jailed for it, but their is no punishment for the emotional damage a woman can do to a man by taking his children away. The man usually then still has to pay for the kids but can't be involved in their day to day lives. In some states the laws are so dated that if your wife has somebody elses child and you divorce her for it, you still have to pay. The biggest lie ever told is that we live in a male dominated society. Even if men made more money than women, which they don't, women spend most of this money. Not saying they aren't worth it, I prefer to spend money on my wife and daugther rather than myself, but to act like women are oppressed has been and is ridiculous.

Steve...
"Phyllis is a National Treasure."


...until she starts talking about video game censorship... a subject where her option is highly misguided.

The "reason" women have so many rights
regarding children is a legacy of tradition & traditionally what's best for the children.

Turn on the news. Notice who's abducting (and molesting) the little girls and little boys. Seriously. Virtually always men (there WERE one or two too-hot-to-trot teachers, but they were getting it on with middle & high school-aged kids). Traditionally, women have always provided a more safe, stable environ for the children. Men traditionally are more apt to cheat on their wives. Men traditionally are not as present in the day to day lives of the children (even working moms are more present than working dads). These are broad, stereotypical reasons, sure, that the court sides with the mother. Mothers nurture. Always present, nurturing fathers are rare.

When it comes to kids, women equal stability and the backbone of society. Look at all the single moms providing daily care for their kids. Look at the fathers who simply choose to leave (especially prominent in the african-american community). If the court is forced to CHOOSE between a single predominent parent for the children, traditionally it has been safer on the side of the woman and mother.

Something Else That's Unfair
I have thought for years that the custodial parent (usually the mother) should have to account for how the child support money is spent. Partly to make sure she's paying her fair share. Partly to make sure the money is actually spent for the child's benefit, not hers. If there's excess funds, they should go into an account for the child's future.

Jaybird: Freedomnomics
I have never heard a feminist acknowledge that most modern women are by nature afraid and most literally depend on a paternal government to protect them from everything, from the men in their lives (i.e., Violence Against Women Act) to the right to defy reason, logic and personal responsibility (e.g., Affirmative Action, No-Fault Divorce, Abortions on Demand, etc.). The relationship between feminism (i.e., female-chauvinism) and big government and the promotion of every leftwing cause should be obvious due to the weaker sex’s natural and apparent fear of everything & perpetual need for “security” in all facets of their respective lives. This is of course reflected in how they vote. Economist John Lott, author of the book "Freedomnomics", went back to the 1980s to see what happens when women get the right to vote. His findings? In every single case, when women were granted a franchise at age 18, the cost of government immediately raised as women, particularly single women, started voting for the candidates who would create more government entitlement programs designed to provide women with security at the expense of the mostly white male progressive income taxpayer base. Mr. Obama & Ms. Clinton are just the latest in a long line of politicians, i.e., “gynocrats”, pandering to the de facto rulers of modern American Society: single & divorced women who expect responsibility-optional, consequence-free life styles subsidized by the majority-male peon taxpayer population. These are the “women in need” to whom Ms. Clinton previously referred & they will get BHO elected President after he continues to cater to said demographic group..

FACT: If single women were suddenly denied their right to vote, a Democrat would never again be elected to public office at the national level.

Will: Reality
“Traditionally, women have always provided a more safe, stable environ for the children. Men traditionally are more apt to cheat on their wives.”

No. REALITY: if society actually cared about the welfare of children, it might start by removing the “implied” legal standard that children are the sole “property” of their biological mothers from conception to legal adulthood. To begin with, the “virtuous” gender unilaterally exercises its "reproductive rights" 1.4M (30% of children conceived) times annually (w/o considering the corresponding responsibilities)by aborting, committing infanticide, & outright abandoning their children for purely capricious & arbitrary reasons. Additionally, American women bring about over 70% of divorce actions (the “No-Fault” Divorce legal movement was started by the National Association of Women Lawyers in 1960), have children out of wedlock at least 37% of the time, and are invariably “entitled” to subsidized housing, welfare, food stamps, child custody, child support, alimony, etc. Their near monopoly (over 90%) with respect to child custody results in women committing over 60% of all cases of child abuse & neglect. Non-biological partners account for an additional 30%. It would seem, in the absence of evidence of abuse, that default shared custody would be in the best interest of the nation’s children. Unfortunately, in this current state of institutionalized misandry, when all things female are sacrosanct and beyond reproach, maintaining the consequence-free, responsibility-optional lifestyles of irresponsible women children trumps the interests of this nation’s children. They are their mother’s “property” after all. Isn’t gender-feminism wonderful?

How long have you been intimidated heterosexual men?

Will: Reality
“Traditionally, women have always provided a more safe, stable environ for the children. Men traditionally are more apt to cheat on their wives.”

No. REALITY: if society actually cared about the welfare of children, it might start by removing the “implied” legal standard that children are the sole “property” of their biological mothers from conception to legal adulthood. To begin with, the “virtuous” gender unilaterally exercises its "reproductive rights" 1.4M (30% of children conceived) times annually (w/o considering the corresponding responsibilities)by aborting, committing infanticide, & outright abandoning their children for purely capricious & arbitrary reasons. Additionally, American women bring about over 70% of divorce actions (the “No-Fault” Divorce legal movement was started by the National Association of Women Lawyers in 1960), have children out of wedlock at least 37% of the time, and are invariably “entitled” to subsidized housing, welfare, food stamps, child custody, child support, alimony, etc. Their near monopoly (over 90%) with respect to child custody results in women committing over 60% of all cases of child abuse & neglect. Non-biological partners account for an additional 30%. It would seem, in the absence of evidence of abuse, that default shared custody would be in the best interest of the nation’s children. Unfortunately, in this current state of institutionalized misandry, when all things female are sacrosanct and beyond reproach, maintaining the consequence-free, responsibility-optional lifestyles of irresponsible women children trumps the interests of this nation’s children. They are their mother’s “property” after all. Isn’t gender-feminism wonderful?

How long have you been intimidated BY heterosexual men?

Virginia: Thank you
Thank you for your typical gynocentric perspective. Despite all the not so apparent benefits FEMINISM (i.e., Gender Marxism) has brought to contemporary American society, American MEN continue to do all the heavy lifting (work 90% of overtime, suffer 95% of all work related deaths, etc.), pay the majority of income taxes (Top 50% of wager earners (Majority: MEN!!) pay 96%) of all income taxes that support a welfare state that benefits women) & do 98% (women comprise 30% of the military, but only 2% of casualties ) of the dying in a war against a group of ruthless MEN that would love to put US women in Burkas. Why? Both sexes have a biological instinct to protect Females. American society reinforces this instinct socializing American men into being “other centered” vice the nutured “self-centered” nature of the contemporary amoral American female. They are taught that they are “expendable” vice the female populace. They are taught that “normal” men sacrifice everything IOT assure the comfort & security of the American female. Evidence? Male politicians were elected and enacted social welfare programs ($1.4T per year) that benefit women at the expense of the majority male taxpayer base. In addition, society is in process of electing female politicians who are in the process of accelerating the male to female transfer of income/ & opportunity (i.e., Divorce Industrial Complex (e.g., child support, alimony, paternity fraud, etc), sexist progressive income tax system, VAWA, affirmative action, quotas in perpetuity, etc.). Men, of course, will continue to be peons in support of the multi-trillion $ feminist “Entitlement Industrial Complex.” The list of female rights and privileges goes on and on and on. Yet, to Mr. Obama and most feminists, women are, somehow, at a disadvantage to men.

Johnnyp
I agree with you that accusations should not be taken as truth. But in the case mentioned above there is nothing to suggest that the man mentioned by Schafely was anything but guilty of battery, and since he pled to it, likely as the result of a plea bargain.

It is precisely to avoid man bashing in general that I want to make the distinction between those who are falsely accused and those who are only guilty of a little bit of wife beating.

It is Schafely who, unintentionally perhaps, does the man bashing by making the one look like the other. Pleading guilty to hitting your wife is a serious issue and suggests the kind of anger management problems that make it not outrageous to think it affects whether one should be trusted with a gun.

My 6 year old thinks that it is silly that he should be punished the first time he does something bad, regardless of what it is. But of course it is not silly if the thing is something serious that he knows is bad. Battery falls under that cagegory.

Must differ on one point
Ms. Schlafly writes: "Everyone agrees that convicted felons should not have guns..."

I must beg to differ. The right to bear arms is fundamental.

The idea that a man or woman, having served their time and paid their debt to society, should be stripped of God-given rights is indefensible.

It is very easy to sacrifice the rights of "the others", especially to soothe one's own fears. This is exactly what the "gun control advocates" do. The majority of posters here find that objectionable, but apparently they object not on principle but out of basic selfishness. Take the guns away from the "bad people", just leave me alone.

Now let the blow-back begin...

Will
You wrote (from Wikipedia):
"The feminist activist Gloria Steinem and the author Pia de Solenni, among others, have noted what they consider irony in Schlafly's role as an advocate for the full-time mother and wife, while being herself a lawyer, editor of a
monthly newsletter, regular speaker at anti-liberal rallies, and political activist. In her review of Schlafly's Feminist Fantasies, de Solenni writes that "Schlafly's discussion reveals a paradox. She was able to have it all: family and career. And she did it by fighting those who said they were trying to get it all for her..."

She did it in a particular order. She was a full time wife and mother and THEN she became a lawyer. Once your kids get older, they don't need you around as much any more. You can go back to school and start another career (my mother did). There are quite a few women choosing to do this.

The problem Steinem and her ilk is that you are supposed to do all this at once or you are not supposed to have children at all. How about letting the women decide for themselves????

Entirely spurious charges of violence
Schlafly "makes a clown of herself when she compares this to taking seriously a past conviction on battery. That means he hit his wife seriously enough that the police had to get involved."

No it doesn't, Lon. Read my posts entitled "Who Is REALLY Most Likely to Abuse Kids?"
and "Dads with no previous bent for violence" (replies # 26 & 29): To quote Melanie Phillips: "It is not uncommon … for women to make entirely spurious charges of violence against their ex-husbands just to prevent them from having access to their children … Courts are overwhelmingly disposed to believe them, even when there isn't a shred of evidence … Most physical abuse is perpetrated by women."

"There is not an epidemic of domestic violence," Judge Milton Raphelson has stated (after his retirement). "There is an epidemic of HYSTERIA about domestic violence."

http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2008/06/witch-hunts-in-conte mporary-america-is.html

To quote Stephen Baskerville's "Taken Into Custody (The War Against Fathers, Marriage, and the Family)" yet again: "the most telling (and seldom asked) question is how precisely protection orders can prevent violence at all. Violent assault is already illegal and punishable by incarceration. Anyone intending to violently attack someone is unlikely to be deterred by a protective order, since violating a protective order need not add anything to the punishment for violent assault. … THE ONLY PEOPLE DETERRED ARE THOSE WHO OBEY THE LAW … Once again, the orders seem designed not to prevent or punish crime but to eliminate fathers."

Connie - please read objectively
You missed the point. If person has "...shown himself to be a physical threat to his family" then yes an order may be needed and further restricitons necessary. However, The point of the article is that a woman can go to court and simply state that there has been abuse with no showing of evidence. Notably look at the Duke Univeristy case. Those men were raked through the coals by feminists, black activists, activist professors, etc. but then foudn NOT GUILTY. Where is the punishment for the girl that LIED? Is there retribution for those young men against those that ruined there reputation? This is something they will never get away from. Again, the point of the article is that there must be evidence to be found guilty. If not, then it is no better than trial by media.

Phyllis
You wouldn't know a feminist agenda if it
slapped you in the face.

Divorce Cases Civil, NOT Criminal
Lon suggests that when "criminal behavior is not proven in either direction, … normal visitation [should be] established with the parents kept separate."

No, Lon, when/if "criminal behavior is not proven in either direction", it means the criminal branch of the justice department should NOT GET INVOLVED IN THE FIRST PLACE. As Stephen Baskerville argues, irreconcilable differences within a couple should revert to "CIVIL divorce cases, where private remedies are available":

"Granting that divorce is a legal right, it need not necessarily follow that the right entails protection from all its consequences or the power to shift the liability and costs onto an innocent and involuntarily divorced parent. Neither must the right to divorce necessarily extend to abrogating the right of legally innocent citizens to be left in peace in their own homes with their own children. Still less does it necessarily confer the right to marshal the courts, police, and prisons to criminalize parents who do not willingly cooperate. Going further, there is nothing authoritarian about requiring parents who choose to desert marriages they freely entered or who commit recognized marital faults such as adultery to accept the costs of that decision … On the contrary, it is the current practice of ignoring justice and allowing that burden to be imposed on the parent who remains faithful that has produced dangerous intrusions into private life.

"Divorce practitioners now invariably resist all these substantive reforms with the same refrain: that they "may" trap women (but not men, apparently) in "bad marriages" with "abusive" spouses. In the case of physical violence, this is clearly not true, ****since physically violent abuse has long been recognized as legitimate grounds for divorce****. In fact, very few marriages, "good" or "bad," are characterized by violence at all."

Carlos
You can't stand women and you hate gays. Just
what do you do on a Saturday night. Play by
yourself?

will
"Subject: The "reason" women have so many rights "
Are you making the case against homosexual men being able to adopt children?

You are correct Phyllis did do it ALL...without government assistance/interference.

Demosthenes
What a surprise meeting you here under the
column.

" women committing over 60% of all cases of child abuse & neglect. Non-biological partners account for an additional 30%."

These figures must seem suspicious even to you,
don't you think. Fathers only represent 10%
of abusers!!!!!! Get real. And then get a
life. It must be awful being weighed down
with all that hate you have.

An Abusive Husband
I was married to an attorney here in southern New Jersey. He beat our two young children, aged 2 an 1. The Camden County Court system never recognized the legitimacy of his psychopathic nature, but awarded my children with a nice package in child support. Visitation was liberal, in my view, and my children have always had issues surrounding their dad. In fact, my daughter eventually exiled him by committing an awful act that led to his denial of her existence. What a web we weave when we women don't investigate before we date. I take full responsibilty for marrying the wrong man. I hold the New Jersey court responsible for bias treatment during my divorce action. Maybe marriage needs a renewable license,,,say every 5 years, so that we women can get unload bad baggage...and the same goes for men. But I find that men will hold onto a bad marriage because it is "cheaper to keep her".

viruddh
I think Demosthenes gets the stats from the CDC, so if you have a bone to pick, go to Atlanta.

I am not sure about that 10% number - where did you get it?

I remember the CDC stats say that something like 60% of child abuse is committed solely by the mother. The list had some other categories that overlap.

The stats also so that abuse by the father is rare… and sexual abuse are even rarer.

I would characterize Demosthenes mental state as outraged (and rightfully so)... not filled with hate.

Asteriks
The man in refered to in the article pled guilty to Battery. He was not found guilty by a jury, nor was he simply accused of battery, he admitted to it. Certainly there are cases in which people are coerced into false confessions, but even Schafely does not pretend to believe that there is any reason to think that is the case on this occassion. You do not do any service to falsely accused individuals by trying to pretend that everyone is falsely accused. In fact you make a joke of your position and undermine your credibility.

Ms. Schlafly's mistake,
Ms. Schlafly,

I must point out one grave and serious mistake that you make in your article. You write, "It's time to restore basic constitutional rights to husbands and fathers by repudiating the feminist agenda that considers men guilty unless proven innocent."

This is wrong. Feminist consider men guilty EVEN IF proven innocent.

Dvangura
"Feminist consider men guilty EVEN if proven
innocent." - This is wrong.

You had the two sentences mixed up in order.

Why does anonymity make people write such
utterly absurb things?

Dutch
"Why does anonymity make people write such
utterly absurb things?"

Experience?

doctorfixit
By definition, a feminist is one who hates
males.

The worst thing that ever happened to freedom
is to allow women to vote.

The Muslim Holy Book instructs them to murder
anyone who disagrees with them.

Women have always had more property and wealth
than men.

The system has always been stacked against
men and for women.

Women want totalitarian control.

Etc Etc.

Just exactly what do you "fix," Mr. Fixit.
Is there anyone in the world who actually
believes any of what you written, except
Demosthenese?

If you lived on an island populated by no
human but yourself, the monkeys would throw
coconuts at you.

Do the Republicans a favor and keep quiet.
You are embarrassing us.



doctorfixit
By definition, a feminist is one who hates
males.

The worst thing that ever happened to freedom
is to allow women to vote.

The Muslim Holy Book instructs them to murder
anyone who disagrees with them.

Women have always had more property and wealth
than men.

The system has always been stacked against
men and for women.

Women want totalitarian control.

Etc Etc.

Just exactly what do you "fix," Mr. Fixit.
Is there anyone in the world who actually
believes any of what you written, except
Demosthenese?

If you lived on an island populated by no
human but yourself, the monkeys would throw
coconuts at you.

Do the Republicans a favor and keep quiet.
You are embarrassing us.



JohnnyP: CDC
"...think Demosthenes gets the stats from the CDC, so if you have a bone to pick, go to Atlanta.

I am not sure about that 10% number - where did you get it?"

I got these numbers from an article citing an obscure CDC study. Bottomline, Biological mothers and/or their non-biological parent/live-in boyfriends are responsible for the clear majority of child abuse cases. Andrea Yates was not the exception but the rule.

Johnnyp
I am writing in response to an earlier post of
yours in which you stated that Demon. was probably getting his statistics from the CDC.
If you mean the Center for Disease Control, I
can't imagine why those statistics would be found
there.

But I have done a little bit of research myself
after a co-worker of mine when through some
court proceedings that he thought was completely unfair. (Not all of us who know
him were of quite the same impression). None
of the figures found were the "same" figures.
It seems to depend on who is recording the
statics and perhaps what their agenda is.

However, Demon. is right about one thing.
Women by far are the ones who have the highest
degree of being the abuser. That statement
does no one any service, however. Women are
also the ones who spend the vast majority of
time with the kids, have the least amount of
money & therefore the most amount of stress.
All the these things and more need to be brought into the picture before casting stones.

Meanwhile great dads are one of the best things
that can happen in a society, for so many
reasons. When I see a black dad playing with
his kids in the park, I get all choked up
because I understand that there is hope for
the black family. For reasons of space I won't
go through all numerous other examples.

Needless to say, I don't think for one instance
that Demon. is one of those great dads, great
husbands, great anything other than whiner.

Demontheses, if society has done you an injustice, do what you can to repair it and go
on with your life.




viruddh: Shaming language...
“Get real. And then get a life. It must be awful being weighed down with all that hate you have."

Yes, you’ve caught me- I’m Satan’s agent on Earth. Fortunately for you, my duties are largely ceremonial, e.g., being that uppity male who had the temerity to tell you “NO!!!” for the first time in your pathetic, gynocentric existence. Thank you for resorting to an example of the histrionic “shaming tactics” employed by female detractors (and their chivalrous male enablers) that refuse to argue their points via logic. As per the “Anti-Male Shaming Tactics Catalogue”, “Shaming tactics” are emotional devices meant to shut down debate via invalidation, i.e., an “ad hominem” attack. Said attacks are employed to elicit sympathy for women while demonizing men who do not agree with the feminist status quo. Responses to criticism of any member of the Neo-Matriarchy, e.g., Ms Clinton, are met with one or more variations of the following ad hominem attacks meant to exploit perceived male insecurities:
• “You’re so bitter!”
• “You need to get over your anger at women.”
• “You are so negative!”
• “You need to get over your fear of women.”
• “You’re afraid of strong women!”
• “Stop whining!”
• “Men don’t have it as nearly as bad as us women!”
• “You’re just afraid of losing your privileges as a male.”
• “Another fragile male ego …”
• “Grow up & get an education!”
• “You are so immature!”

viruddh: Shaming Language (cont'd)
• “Do you live with your mother?”
• “Single-women & single-mothers exist because men are shirking their responsibility to marry and support children.”
• “You are a scary, scary man.”
• “You are just bitter because most women don’t find you attractive.”
• “You’re one of those right-wing conservatives.”
• “You’re an extremist”
• “Another anti-feminist rant”
• “You must be gay.”
• “Stop over generalizing!”
• “That’s a sexist stereotype!”
• “You are obviously a misogynist!”
• “Why do you hate women?”
• “Do you love & respect your mother?”
• “You are insensitive to the plight of women.”
• “You are mean-spirited.”
• “You view women as doormats.”
• “You want to turn back the rights of women!!”
• “You’re unstable.”
• “You obviously have issues with women.”
• “You need therapy.”
• “You are so greedy.”
• “I’ll bet you’re unattractive to women.”
• “You must be a loser!”
• “Stop being so negative.”
• “You are so cynical.”
Your ad hominem attack merely illustrates the pedestrian nature of female-chauvinist intellects. Fortunately, my own self-worth as a minimally-franchised, expendable male is not dependent upon the subjective opinions of a group of myrmidons. Fortunately, my own self-worth as a minimally-franchised, expendable male is not dependent upon the subjective opinions of a group of myrmidons.

Dutch: More Shaming Language
"Needless to say, I don't think for one instance
that Demon. is one of those great dads, great
husbands, great anything other than whiner.

Demontheses, if society has done you an injustice, do what you can to repair it and go
on with your life."

That is because they have the luxury to do so, but characterize said privilege as a burden.

Speaking as a service-academy educated officer,my biggest heartache while on active duty was dealing w/ the after effects of "domestic terrorism" committed by wayward military wives on the enlisted men under my purview. Try hold a suicide watch sometime when a man loses everything...I've had more responsibility as an O-1 than you will ever assume in your pathetic shelterd life.

Do you often replace rational discussion w/ "shaming language"? Please refer to my previous post and you will realize the shallow nature of your pedantic intellect.

But since we're playing the "invalidation game" I really don't think that you're more than just another self-important "embodiment of the goddess" at best & a self-laothing male at worst.

Dutch: More Shaming Language
"Needless to say, I don't think for one instance
that Demon. is one of those great dads, great
husbands, great anything other than whiner.

Demontheses, if society has done you an injustice, do what you can to repair it and go
on with your life."

That is because they have the luxury to do so, but characterize said privilege as a burden.

Speaking as a service-academy educated officer,my biggest heartache while on active duty was dealing w/ the after effects of "domestic terrorism" committed by wayward military wives on the enlisted men under my purview. Try hold a suicide watch sometime when a man loses everything...I've had more responsibility as an O-1 than you will ever assume in your pathetic shelterd life.

Do you often replace rational discussion w/ "shaming language"? Please refer to my previous post and you will realize the shallow nature of your pedantic intellect.

But since we're playing the "invalidation game" I really don't think that you're more than just another self-important "embodiment of the goddess" at best & a self-laothing male at worst.

Dutch
"I am writing in response to an earlier post of
yours in which you stated that Demon. was probably getting his statistics from the CDC.
If you mean the Center for Disease Control, I
can't imagine why those statistics would be found there."

The CDC seems to report on a wide range of topics that impact health/sickness/injury.

HHS echos similar statistics.

I get cranked up on these topics because so much of what is popularly belived and reported by the MSM is either a gross distortion, completely wrong, or puposly narrow as to avoid the true picture of things.

The vast majority of men work hard to support thier family, and are decent and loving.

Feminst have been working overtime to devalue men... and it needs to stop before Atlas shrugs.

Dutch: Really?
"Women are
also the ones who spend the vast majority of
time with the kids, have the least amount of
money & therefore the most amount of stress."

Really? Despite all the not so apparent benefits FEMINISM (i.e., Gender Marxism) has brought to contemporary American society, American MEN continue to do all the heavy lifting (90% of overtime, 95% of all work related deaths, etc.), pay the majority of income taxes. Top 50% of wager earners (Majority: MEN!!) pay 96% of all income taxes that support a welfare state that benefits women. Despite that fact that only 60% of American women work outside the home, they control 80% of all family income. They comprise 54% of the electorate. Thanks to affirmative action/quotas, Female-only technical scholarships, (e.g. Intel), Title IX, women graduate college 33% more frequently than men. Yet they still dominate the “fun”, soft-science, mental masturb*tion degrees: english, sociology, psychology, anthropology, women’s studies, education, etc. which will guarantee that they will have trouble supporting a family & spouse, much less themselves. Why? When given the opportunity most women still don’t apply to the lucrative “analytically-challenging” majors, e.g., Engineering. Most women still enjoy the non-lucrative “fun” majors because they figure that some dumb male will eventually support them financially. The big lie that is easier being housewife than actually earning living in a traditional male profession. Additionally, American women bring about 70% of divorce actions, have children out of wedlock at least 37% of the time, and are invariably “entitled” to child custody, child support, and alimony. Which is the true empowered gender?




Dutch: Thank You
"Needless to say, I don't think for one instance
that Demon. is one of those great dads, great
husbands, great anything other than whiner."

Really? What a thoroughly, gratuitous, female- chauvinistic over generalization. Real women don't want floor mats- they want MEN. Especially articulate, passionate, hyper-intelligent men who understand and appreciate the "dance" for what it is. Real MEN do what they think is right regardless of popular culture. Unfortunately, having the option to stay at home and raise your children is a PRIVILEGE not accorded to the disposal, ambulatory wallet, i.e., the American male. In my case I earn a six-figure salary in addition to doing all of the male & female domestic chores (including child care) endemic to being a “Doctor’s Wife.” That means I have all the negelect but none of the perks. My wife, like most women, is quite old-fashioned when it comes to dealing w/ the prospect of being the “sole bread winner.” Fact: half of all female Harvard MBAs are out of work force within 10 years- they found another MBA that was willing to support them. Women are very liberated when the situation benefits them but quite old fashioned when comes to who should stay at home and who should break their back in a job supporting both of them.

How long have you been intimated by uppity MEN who thumb their noses at the "Matriarchy"?


An Effective Short-Term Approach
I saw this same thing while practicing family law in Florida some years ago - the "ambush" restraining order filed principally for the purposes you mentioned. Judges would grant them on nothing but allegation, because they did not want to be responsible if in fact someone was harmed if thjey refused the order.

Because the charges were trumped up, outright lies, based on "what he might do" or on "emotional abuse" (show me a divorcing couple where this is not routinely inflicted by both sides) - I ALWAYS requested that the Order be made reciprocal, that visitation be permitted, and that the pickup and return of the children be supervised. It didn't help Da much as he was forced out of his home - but I strongly emphasized his new expenses when setting the temporary support order, and making the RO mutual evened the score in the final custody matter - and helped Dad show his employer what was really going on.

Mom suddenly can't keep a gun in the house, any more than Dad. She has to be supervised for her actions when in the same vicinity as Dad, just as he must.

With newer studies showing that women initiate 70% of physical violence in domestic settings (even if they don't win the fights) - the whole set of presumptions underlying our family courts needs drastic overhaul.

restraining orders are easy to get
Remember the David Letterman case? Letterman had a restraining order issued against him by a woman who claimed he was harrassing her through the TV set. He had never actually met her.

As it stands restraining orders are issued simply based on the word of a woman. No other proof is necessary. Guys that means that we live in our houses simply at the whims of our wives. If they decide we should go the police WILL show up and remove you simply based on her word.

No one should have their liberties reduced based on the word of another. The evidence bar for issuing restaining orders needs to be raised.

Demosthenes
I am not quite sure how to respond because in
several instances I don't know what you are
saying. First of all, I believe you are assuming
that I am a liberal female. If so, wrong on
both accounts.

Second, I cannot make heads or tales out of your
position in life - a six figure guy who plays
the role of the doctor's wife, who does all the
housework, takes care of the kiddies; Your wife
is or isn't the sole bread winner. So, maybe
you would like to explain or not.

If YOU are the sole breadwinner, and you take
care of the house and the kids, and spend lots
of time running scared of your wife, how do you
manage to find so much time to constantly post
on Town Hall. (Hint: you paste in your
posts, like "work 90% of overtime, suffer 95% of all work related deaths, etc.), pay the majority of income taxes (Top 50% of wager earners (Majority: MEN!!) pay 96%) of all income taxes" and don't spend any time verifying your "facts."

But never mind. There are many people on this
website that hate women (sorry, hate feminists)
but you are about the only one I recall who
hates feminists but wants your wife to work
outside the home, bring in equal income, pay
equal taxes, and I assume take out the garbage
also.

I am new to posting here. I have checked in
from time to time over the course of a year or
a year and a half. And was too busy and too
discouraged to post myself. When people talk
about Obama's religion in connection with his
middle name, I am deeply concerned not only
of the intelligence I find here, but of the
American people in general.

But I find myself in a health situation right
now in which I have to take a few months off
work, so I thought now was the time.

johnnyd
"I get cranked up on these topics because so much of what is popularly belived and reported by the MSM is either a gross distortion, completely wrong, or puposly narrow as to avoid the true picture of things."

****

Please don't pretend that the conservative press is any different. When we have
discussions, let's deal with logic and truth.
Otherwise, we will continue to have an
ignorant populace.


disappointed
I will admit that I may have a bias. I think that most women are liars at best and outright wh-res at worst. I came to this conclusion by pure observation alone while in the club on base.
It took years for me to finally overcome how I was raised ( put women on a pedestal ). I could not believe all the Married women in the club after their husbands had gone on deployment. The Military is a good cross section of American society, many different men and women from different places. Most of the women were doing the cheating. Don't get me started on the women attached to the unit. Most of them walked around with imaginary mattresses strapped to their backs.
We have training on domestic violence every year. What I found fascinating one year was a statistic that mothers killed their children more than fathers then the instructor proceeded to bash men for a solid two hours.
When I was on deployment overseas as a squad leader two of my men were tore up by dear John letters. All I could do was tell them jokingly that another women would come along and make you forget the previous one.
Enough with the bashing time to get to the point. My JAG has advised me that the courts are fair but I would have to prove why the children should stay with me. The civilian Lawyer said it all depended on the judge. I had a second official visit to jag because I found out that a lot of spouses go around to all the
legal offices so that their husbands can't get free legal advice. Terrible system. I must admit that the court system has me a little concerned about my rights as a father. I guess I will find out in six months. I sure hope this article is wrong. Maybe it depends on the State your in?

Wilson54
There is no such thing as a 'no fault' divorce. Today's courts can always find a reason to find fault with the male and proceed to fu@k him over.

It's going to be interesting to see how these courts are going to deal with the homosexual 'marriages', let alone the polygamists and the the other assorted animal fetish perverts.

Mrs. Schlafly KNOWS she lives the life
feminists say a woman should have the right to live.

That is why is opposes feminists.

Her point is that a modern women (during her era) was always able to achieve anything she wanted, even before the feminists decided to make an issue of it by degrading the relationship between the sexes.

Funny how (liberal) women
scream like banshees when they aren't represented in equal percentages as men in everything from work, to pay, to sports, but when they are awarded custody of children and assets in a divorce 90% of the time, they have nothing to say about it. Seems like they want their cake and eat it too. Men need to stand up like men and tell the feminists to take a hike (when it is appropriate to do so).

The Right to Abolish Government

The Declaration of Independence declares: "We hold these truths to be self-evident... That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..."

Wouldn't it be poetic justice if all the men who have had their children stolen by the family court system - overthrow the government, imprison those who have subverted the system - and then re-instate our US Constitution?

Then you would see all the rats who have sucked off the system, made no contribution, and subverted the US Constituition - i.e., many/most of your US Senators and Representatives, family court judges, civil service employees, welfare professionals, etc. stuff their briefcases with cash and try to run out of town?

Chris R

Dutch
...is a run of the mill angry feminist man hater. Truth is, they act the way they do because of problems with their own fathers, or mothers. Plain and simple.

It's not your fault.

At any rate, men used to be able to just "tune out" now, thanks to feminism men find its necessary to "drop out".

I always find it interesting that feminists get red in the face with jealousy when men get together and do, anything. You NEVER see men doing the same thing, we love our women but for some reason we lack the jealous nature in this specific regard. men never want to inject themselves into female circles likewise. Theres got to be a reason for this...

RESIST SCHLAFLY AGENDA
I admit I didn't read this article and I don't care what it's about. I've been a big supporter of Schlafly for years, she was a guest speaker in my sister's home for a pro-life meeting, once. I've contributed to the Eagle Forum. But now she is calling for a Mormon to be rejected for VP. She's one of the signatories of the no-Mitt for VP letter to McCAin, in essence, a hostage-taker.

Apparently, Mormons can contribute money and support for her causes, but they are not allowed in positions of leadership. This ridiculous anti-Mormon crusade has gone on far too long. It's time to say so long to the bigots in our party, as we do racists, anti-semites. etc. They are all exactly the same thing and they hurt not only our party, but America.

Semperfi
"I will admit that I may have a bias. I think that most women are liars at best and outright wh-res at worst. I came to this conclusion by pure observation alone while in the club on base."

The extreme irony of our society is in the Marine motto and your handle - 'always faithful'. The Marine is expected to defend the nation on behalf of it's government, its citizens and his loved ones. But that's not something he now has any right to expect of his woman, according to all the societal forces and legalistics arrayed against him.

The problem, semperfi, is that, in the US under feminist/liberal inspired notions of justice there is no downside to a woman acting in the most depraved, immoral, unethical, cruel and ultimately (when it comes to children) inhuman self serving manner. There are still women that respect a code of conduct and moral decency because they've been raised properly, but they are a diminishing group - even among the immigrant females who may arrive relatively uncorrupted but quickly catch on once they learn the system - or introduced to it by feminists.

This is not to say that there have always been betrayal on both parts - but there were prices born, and felt, by both parties. Now they are grotesquely, artificially unfairly foisted in one direction.

The women of this country used to be the strength of America - the pillar of the family that held this nation and its society together. Now that pillar has become purposely weak and rotted - and the American society stands to collapse of its own feminized permissive debauchery.

Semperfi
Like I said, there are decent and moral women out there but it's hard to recognize, find and win them. I was at Riverside, CA memorial cemetery two years ago and saw one. At her slain soldier's funeral, her pain and grief was devastating.

Grubby and gay marriage (1)...
Grubby writes:

"It's going to be interesting to see how these courts are going to deal with the homosexual 'marriages', let alone the polygamists and the the other assorted animal fetish perverts."

*********
Response:
*********

I am openly gay, and am a firm supporter of gay marriage. Two state supreme courts have held, on state constitutional grounds (thereby rendering their decisions immune to review by the US Supreme Court, which does not adjudicate cases that involve purely state constitutional law), that their states' prohibitions against gsay marriage are violative of the respetctive state constitutions. Other state supreme courts (e.g. New Jersey, Vermont) have held that the benefits of marriage cannot be withheld from gay couples, although the name may be reserved for heterosexual marrages. A trend is emerging all over the world -- gay marriage is now legal in two US states, in South Africa, Canada, The Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, and Spain. This trend is clear -- it is only a matter of time before gay marriage is legalized throughout the USA (supporters of a US Constitutional amendment to prohibit gay marriage could not even muster the 60 votes needed to end debate in the US Senate (cloture) BEFORE the mid-term elections, let alone the 67 votes required to ratify such an amendment).

I am sick and tired of being compared to a pedophile, a practitioner of bestiality, or a polygamist. Polygamy almost always occurs in religious contexts in which women lack true consent, having been relegated to second-class status by the religion in question. I am a human being, and it is my hope that I will one day meet another human being with whom I fall in love and wish to spend the rest of my life.

(continued...)

you know the
Guy is always wrong, just because he is in the military, has no criminal record, and his ex-wife is a convicted drug user/seller and spends the weekends in jail, we all know that she is the better parent/role model. This is a true story and she gets the kids. Mom watches kids on the weekends.

the way custody should be decided
Unless one of the parents is deemed clearly unfit, the court should decide child custody with the flip of a coin. The custody outcome would not be known until the end of the divorce proceedings. This would make women think twice and try to resolve relationship issues before filing for divorce.

Today, 75% of divorces are initiated by women. I think much of this is caused by the fact that women risk little in divorce. Women usually get the marriage's two primary assets - the children and the house. And of course, with the children come a support payment.

Today courts split hairs in determining what is "in the best interest of the child". Most fathers are good parents and any difference in performance between mothers and fathers is marginal at best. The result is that in most cases, the mother gets the spoils of divorce.

Changing to a coin toss method of determining child custody, would greatly change the behavior of women for the better in our society.

Our society has institutionalized the dis-empowerment and marginalization of men. We are currently living in a new era for Jim Crow.

Divorce USED to be difficult
when I was growing up and I think that children turned out better in those days. That is good for everyone--husbands and wives.

Could we ever return to that way again?

Perhaps if we could scientifically prove that divorce is a social menance to protect society from as much as robbery and murder are.

It seems that people would be more careful about selecting a spouse.

I think courting is something we need to look into again (as opposed to the insipid "dating" scene).

How is a business like E-Harmony going to effect the peace between the sexes?

Time will tell.


Oh, and by the way,
Men thinking women can work hour for hour like a man is one reason why American men are probably getting booted out of their homes.

In that scenario, what is the purpose of having a husband? There is no advantage to the additional work he creates in the household, in the bedroom, and in the emotional life of the woman, if she also has to support herself. HE becomes expendible because he is an unnecessary burden. He has marginalized himself.

Many men just don't feel the need to protect women, care for and provide a decent life. Few have compassion on her inferior physical status.

I recall from English novels, like Pride and Prejudice, how that it was considered inappropriate for a young man to ask for a young ladies hand in marriage if he wasn't competely capable of supporting her. This reflected the real world situation among the genteel classes of that era.

Florence Nightengale, though she did have a short (but physically difficult) career outside of her father's home, was always a member of her father's household until the day he died.

He provided for her after that time as well since she was bed ridden (for many decades even before her father died).

It once was that a young women, until such a time as she could become a wife, stayed in the safety of her father's home (unless she was unfortunate to live in an uncivilized situation).

This is, of course, the biblical pattern God established to protect women and continued right up through the New Testament where Paul explicitly discusses the issue. (1Cor 7:36-38)




Oh, by the way PART II

Gertrude Himmelfarb, in the "Demoralization of Society" talks about the Victorian efforts to improve the human condition both in public and private life. The wealthy Victorian women would go directly into the neigborhoods of the poor and bring them necessities and advice--even teaching them about nutrition and cleanliness.

It would be nice to see wealthy people do this sort of work. We know about Elaine Bennett's group, but there are few such examples.

Famous people with good families and marriages should be brought into the public schools to visit with children and tell them about the responsibilities of good husbands and wives.

Then there might be a larger pool of good marriages to draw from.

Sen. Diane Feinstein
I haven't had any regard for Feinstein since she made a comment that she knew what it was to be an "abused" child. She said it happened to her and gave the situation. When she turned 16 her parents bought her a new car. Her mother took her keys away when she kept sneaking off to her boyfriend's house across town. That proved she had been abused.

She is also very much against anyone owning a gun - except her. She carries wherever she goes. When asked by a reporter if she would give up her gun if she got the legislation passed she stated, "Of course not. I have too many people out there who want to get me. I have to have it."

45caliber
Do you know what is really, really sad. There
are going to be people who will actually
believe what you wrote in Post #1 about what
Feinstein described as "her proof of abuse."

The ignorance of your post is breathtaking.

Marlson
Dutch ".is a run of the mill angry feminist man hater. "

Actually, Marlson, I am a man. Don't hate men,
and I don't hate women. Actually, I am quite
taken by women, especially my wife and daughters.

Have a nice day.
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