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Monday, January 28, 2008
Phyllis Schlafly :: Townhall.com Columnist
History Shows Joe McCarthy's Reputation is Undeserved
by Phyllis Schlafly
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Ronald Reagan was dismissed by the intelligentsia as just an actor who read speeches written by others until Kiron K. Skinner discovered a box of Reagan's original radio scripts written in his own hand on ruled yellow paper from 1975 to 1979.

Since he had no staff to research and write for him in those years, the scripts prove that Reagan was a one-man think tank, well versed in political philosophy and history, fully capable of writing his own speeches.

Skinner is the W. Glenn Campbell Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and an associate professor of history and political science at Carnegie Mellon University. In December 2005, he was appointed to the National Security Education Board by President George W. Bush.

Skinner's discovery, and the subsequent publication of many of Reagan's more than 1,000 handwritten radio commentaries, changed the way history now respects Reagan.

M. Stanton Evans, journalism professor and board member of the American Conservative Union, has performed a similar transformation for the most reviled American in modern U.S. history, Sen. Joseph McCarthy.

Evans' 663-page work, "Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies" (Crown Forum, $29.95), is the result of six years of reading primary sources. Evans proves that almost everything about McCarthy in current history books is a lie and will have to be revised.

It's an interesting sidelight that one of Reagan's old radio commentaries referred to Evans as "a very fine journalist." He is, indeed, but this book shows that he also is a Sherlock Holmes-type detective who chased every clue to find the truth and to write accurate history in elegant prose.

Evans' vindication of McCarthy was made possible by recently released files, such as the Venona papers (the secret messages between Moscow and its U.S. agents decrypted by our government and released in 1995), data from Soviet archives, and executive-session transcripts of Senate committees that were finally opened after a 50-year ban. Evans' book is copiously documented and reproduces some critical pages from never-before-released files.

In the early 1950s, Joe McCarthy was one of the most popular men in America. Average U.S. citizens recognized him as Horatio at the Bridge battling against our nation's sworn enemies, the Soviet Communists.

McCarthy understood, long before Reagan, that the Soviet Union was an evil empire, one of whose strategies was to infiltrate agents into our government in order to guide our policy to favor Communist goals. In fact, our government was much more infested with Soviet agents than McCarthy imagined.

It's now well known that Communist agents imbedded in high-ranking positions included White House confidant Lauchlin Currie, State Department official Alger Hiss and Treasury Department official Harry Dexter White. Evans quotes FBI files identifying atom bomb scientist J. Robert Oppenheimer as a secret Communist as early as 1942.

Taking on the anti-communist mission locked McCarthy in mortal combat against powerful forces: two U.S. presidents, the vast federal bureaucracy, malicious adversaries in Congress, left-wing lobby groups and the left-wing media who made him their daily target.

McCarthy was concerned only with Communist security risks who influenced U.S. policies. He never targeted Communists in Hollywood or academia.

One of McCarthy's early investigations exposed the gang of Communist agents embedded in our government whose mission it was to change U.S. policy to abandon our wartime ally Chiang Kai-shek and turn China over to the Communists. Owen Lattimore was the point man for articulating the Communist line, and the magazine Amerasia was the communications outlet for an interlocking network of soviet agents.

Evans describes how McCarthy deserves the credit for exposing the Amerasia scandal. Evans publishes for the first time McCarthy's lists of security risks employed by the State Department, proving that his charges were amply supported by FBI files.

Recent unrelated political controversies have shown that the cover-up is often worse than the crime, and the cover-up was McCarthy's prime target. He fought the federal bureaucrats who tolerated and even encouraged the widespread infiltration of our government by Communists whose first loyalty was to Russia.

The administration of President Harry S. Truman and the Democrats in Congress engaged in a massive cover-up, circling the wagons with their media friends. Their game plan was to deny the problem, evade political responsibility for tolerating security risks in government, and kill the messenger.

Evans' book proves that there was not a single innocent victim of McCarthy's investigations. The Senate committee transcripts prove that he was patient with witnesses, and never allowed anyone to be named a Communist or subversive unless he was given the chance to respond directly.

Joe McCarthy himself is probably the most investigated man in U.S. history, far more investigated than the Communist agents. Much of his energy had to be spent in defending himself against vindictive investigations initiated by the Democrats.

McCarthy's career came to an end after he was censured by the Senate, but 45 out of the 46 charges had to be dismissed as baseless. He was censured only for failing to pay proper deference to the committees that were maliciously bent on destroying him.

Everyone who henceforth writes about McCarthy will have to check his facts with Evans' documented discoveries.

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Amen
I am just finishing reading Evan's Book. What happened to McCarthy was an absolute travesty. It made me ill to see how the Truman White House, Sen Tydings and the State Department willfully undermined McCarthy's work and destroyed him in the process.

It reminds me of the demonization of Reps that takes place every day in the press. It is not enough to disagree, conservatives must be destroyed. Fortunately the glory days of media monopoly are rapidly evaporating and with it, their power to manipulate.

Robert
You would have done well on the Tydings commission. No evidence to refute the charges; just name calling and demonization.

It shouldn't surprise anyone
that Schlafly and her ilk are praising a fascist thought police who hunted down people and demende them to be jailed based on their political views. Views that weren't extremist right wing.


Joe Mcarthy was an American Beria
He used the same techniques of innuendo and fear to censure and ruin men and women for what they thought.

If you want to argue that it is un-American to have certain thoughts or beliefs, or even to voice them, then you belong in another country.

He was widely known as the stupidest of the Senators. So, I am glad you can respect the handicapped. Just like Stalin and Beria, he prosecuted Americans such as Generals Marshall, who were American heros and helped us win the war and win the Peace of Europe.




Robusto,
your inanity is simply overwhelming.

Trughes, Robert,
I am quite certain your minds are made up, but I challenge you to read the book. It will save you a lot of embarrassment.

There is NO argument; McCarthy was railroaded. The evidence is quite clear. Old Joe was persecuted for revealing the profound failings of a sitting administration.

to acceptreality
I suppose you think that the Repugnants that have been busted for Corruption, Bribe taking, subverting of Military contracts, are all innocent victims. Tom DeLay is probably a hero of yours. I guess your opinion agrees with Clarence Thomas, that money is speech, and that a large company that wants a law written so that its profits will increase, has the legitimate right to bribe what ever congressman or senator it wants.

Well, I disagree with your opinion.


Hmmmm
and I thought he was just a drunk. Funny that a board member of the American Conservative Union or whatever wrote this. Come to think of it, didn't that right wing nut Ann Coulter write one too? Whens Nixon's rehab coming out?

Joe was a true American Hero
He fought communists and exposed what was happening, only to be villified by the traitorous left.

If you want to demonize Joe, thats fine, but can you disprove that the people he investigated were communists agents acting on behalf of the Soviet Union?

Remember also Whittaker Chambers
Pleas remember also House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC or HCUA).
This is the committee of the
US House of Representatives,
__not__ of Senate, where
__senator__ Joe McCarthy worked.

HUAC was the place, where Whittaker Chambers
made his clarifications about
spy activity of infamous Alger Hiss.

HUAC also bacame a narrative noun for the leftists as something bad. Meanwhile it was another place to show the spy activity of the USA communist party members.

I wholeheartedly reccommend the book
"Witness" by Whittaker Chambers.

From that book you can see, that there was almost no difference between professional spies - citizen of former USSR (bieng then communist empire),
and willing traitors of their country - citizen of USA, communists, like Alger Hiss.

leftists never change
From an historical perspective, one must remember that when the Soviet Union was formed in 1917 there were a lot of people in the U.S. who watched this with a great deal of interest because the utopian aspect was very attractive. There were supporters of Hitler in the U.S. in his early days because he solved their economic problems.

There were communists in the FDR administration. His second VP, Wallace, was a known communist sympathizer if not a secret member of the Communist Party. His sympathies were well-known enough that FDR replaced him with Truman, a man he despised but who was at least an anti-communist.

By the end of WW II most folks had a pretty clear picture of exactly what was going on in the USSR. Remember that Lenin and Stalin had killed millions more of their own countrymen than Hitler did. McCarthy was one of those, and perhaps the most ambitious, who took a good hard look at what communism did and decided he wanted no part of it for the United States. The virulence with which he has been attacked speaks more to the sympathies of his attackers than any supposed misdeeds on his part.

Actually, it's been common knowledge
for sometime that McCarthy was right after all look at our press. Look at the NSA's leaks of classified material. Look at the direct attacks coming from inside our government. Not much has changed only now it's China that's running the network.

The really interesting part about that time period is how the true left wing leanings of our press and much of our career bureaucrats gets revealed after McCarthy was taken down for not showing the proper deference to a committee investigating 44 baseless charges. I suspect anybody would be less than deferential to a group of people that had trumped up 44 charges with 44 investigations. But in McCarthy's case since his party wasn't in power and what he was revealing was negative to the democrats he was eliminated using the favorite tactic of the left the politics of personal destruction.

Communism is by definition anti-American
Communism is the antithesis of Americanism.

Communists slaughter whoever they deem impure in the name of the greater good.

Communists support the state and the collective over the individual.

Communists seek to destroy any notions of a just and moral God and supplant them with the idea that the state is the just and moral arbiter of all.

And Communists never accept responsibility for their own actions because they believe society is to blame for everything, shich is part and parcel to believing individuality does not exist.

That is why everywhere Communism has been tried, be it by white Russians, the Chinese, or African Tinpot dictators, it always causes death, destruction, and oppression.

Only a fool believes communism works in theory and not in practice. Karl Marx was the most naive man in the world. He ignored all of human history, which makes it clear that human beings have free will, and with that free will they can and often do choose evil.

Only by keeping power fragmented and disparate can you insure that no one man's choice to do evil can kill so many of his fellow men.

BrianK: Squeeze more generalizations?
Can you squeeze any more generalizations into a single post? Wow.

McCarthy
Joe was the person I wrote about for my thesis and all the research I did proved him correct and the commies in Amerika wrong. But they could not let him speak any more. So they silenced him.
Helluva job Joe. You were a true man with guts.
Liberals and commies are all cowards.

-jim west

Re: King Liberal
Oh man thank you. I needed a good laugh. You're right the current republican administration is ignoring the Geneva Conventions on the Rules of Warfare. Especially, with regards to prisoners taken in the war on terror. Per the Articles of War persons engaged in combat operations with in mufti are to be executed as soon as their personal information can be obtained. Secondly, persons engaged in combat operations that use non-combatant civilian populations are denied any protections under the Geneva Convention and such persons are to be put to death if captured.

Since we haven't been putting these animals to death since they both use civilians for cover and fight out of uniform I'd have to agree that the Republicans aren't following the rules at all and should begin doing so immediately.

Re: MellorSJ2
At a guess I think you're pointing out the BrianK is using cliches rather than generalizations. Unfortunately for the purposes of your derisive comment cliches become cliches because they are an often repeated truth.

The NAU and other paranoid fantasies
"The administration of President Harry S. Truman and the Democrats in Congress engaged in a massive cover-up, circling the wagons with their media friends. Their game plan was to deny the problem, evade political responsibility for tolerating security risks in government, and kill the messenger."

Then, inexplicably, Republican President Eisenhower killed the messenger per the Democrats demands.
Sure thing.
Case closed.
Next up, Democrats covering up the Republicans plan for a NAU.

Oh, Phyllis Schlafly, dear Lord!
Perhaps after she's done aiding in the makeover, or the "transformation", of Joe McCarthy, she'll aid in the "transformation" of Jerry Falwell & Tom DeLay & neo-cons like Norman Podhoretz & Irving Kristol.

We are reading columns from a chick that spits on Gloria Steinum on the one hand, as she praises Focus on the Family on the other.

maldain: cliches also become cliches
because they are an oft-repeated falsehood.

Nixon
The correcting book on Nixon has been written by two liberals who were going to show how rotten Nixon was.
Silent Coup The removal of a president. By Len Colodny & Robert Gettlin.
Maybe King Liberal should read the book and learn
who did order the break in and what a beautiful call girl had to do with it.

When are you libs going to realize
that name calling and ignorant opinions are not going to change the facts. McCarthy was right. Either disprove Evans or shut up.

And for you, Trughes(2:57post):

You said "Well, I disagree with your opinion."

If you are going to disagree with my opinion PLEASE let it be my opinion, not your off-message rant.




About Nixon
Will you libs please recall that it was the Republicans that ran Nixon out of town. Something for you to remember when Hillary is up for impeachment (another 2 for 1 promise).

Not one Dem Senator voted yes on the Impeachment trial of a proven criminal (lying to the grand jury) and countless other High Crimes and misdemeanors. This includes Lieberman and others who disavowed themselves of their own statements. You people have no honor or credibility whatsoever. I am proud to be defined by you.

another about Nixon
Interesting that so many of the lefties here reference Nixon. Remember that he was the member of the HUAC that broke the Hiss case.

In my opinion, the whole Watergate thing was just much ado about nothing. It did provide cover for the lefties (whom Nixon had thwarted when he humiliated the chief leftie McGovern) to punish him a la McCarthy. So many similarities.

If Nixon was going to be impeached, it should have been for the wage and price controls he imposed. That was un-American. Of course, the lefties didn't recognize that because it fits in with their world view, which is distinctly un-American, anti-capitalist.

Ann Coulter also wants to re-invent
McCarthy's image for crying out loud. I'll stick by Edward R. Murrow, thank you.

One other thing....once history proves Joe McCarthy & Roy Cohn to be closeted homosexuals, watch Phyllis Schlafly turn on Joe LIKE THAT!! (*snaps finger!*) Watch lovely Phyllis then start calling Joe a pinko commie & retracting all this hogwash.

Actually, I'm sorry, history already HAS proven Roy Cohn to be a closeted homosexual (who died of AIDS complications in 1986). And Joe McCarthy did end up marrying a secretary (just like Rock Hudson). But the gay rumors were swirling.

Joe McCarthy - Revisionist History
You had to have lived through the McCarthy era to really appreciate just how evil a person he was. That he was a U.S. Senator allowed to make accusations against innocent American's was inexcusable. The Republican Party should have censured him long before Congress did. The good news is he was so horrible that we haven't had a repeat of his level of demogoguery in government. I would love to see the Republican Party plank incorporate these views in the upcoming election. That would guarantee their defeat. And I thought Ann Coulter was the only one left who though Joe McCarthy was an angel.

tailgunner joe
'Tailgunner Joe' was a lawyer who spent the entirety of WWII defending drunken sailors in the Pacific; not politicians remind you, the real kind of drunken sailors.

Liberals idiots UNITE!
You morons of the left have once again proven your ineptitude when it comes to intellectual thought. "Leftist-Liberals are Anti-American" (said often said loud) cliche' or fact? Based on one idiots position it is not fact that makes a cliche'. Go back to school dumba**. Let me see, "Republicans are fascists" oh yes now there it fits!!! sheeesh the dumbing down of the narcissist class. If you have nothing intellectual to say, you don't have the right to an "opinion" creeps. BTW the LEFT are the Fascists....read your history.

Bobscishl,
You libs are attached to a fantasy of your own making. Do you know how I can tell that none of you McCarthy haters has read this book? Simple; none of you has refuted its core facts. This book has been out for months and the silence is deafening.

Read it and report back to us. The truth will set you free.

AntiScreed
It is perhaps better if you do not post. You only give repectable conservatives a bad name with your wild, unformed, logic-challenged, practically incomprehensible prose-rantings.

Nothing against you PERSONALLY......

Re: Oh, Phyllis Schlafly, dear Lord!

Will writes:

> We are reading columns from a chick that spits on
> Gloria Steinum

"Steinem"


> on the one hand, as she praises Focus on the Family
> on the other.

You say that like it's a bad thing.



-CB-

Maldain
Per the Articles of War persons engaged in combat operations with in mufti are to be executed as soon as their personal information can be obtained. Secondly, persons engaged in combat operations that use non-combatant civilian populations are denied any protections under the Geneva Convention and such persons are to be put to death if captured.


The Geneva Convention says none of this. Please read it. Besides this has nothing to do with the post.

Reading it now
I've just begun reading the book, and in the preface Evans explains the cover-up on McCarthy and missing documents from the whole episode, including a memo which started it all off. A memo not from McCarthy, but found by him, and this memo is missing.

Evans also says that most of the current literary pursuits are written by people (mostly leftists) who are totally ignorant of the subject because they haven't fully researched the topic.

I'm looking forward to the rest of it. Any commie-buster is a hero in my book.

I think Hillary would definitely be any list of commies who've infiltrated the US govt.

CB
Thanks for the spell check.

And yes. I completely stand by my comments. Some things are worth standing up & fighting for. Gloria Steinem's (thank you) life-long commitment to women's issues & emancipation is just as valid as african-american or gay civil rights. Once broken from the shackles of oppression, women & former slaves & gays need role models, icons to believe in (whether it's Susan B. Anthony, Harvey Milk or MLK). I believe she is demonized because the evangelical right sees strong independant women as a threat to the "family" & an affront to mythical Adam & Eve & the Genesis folklore (made from Adam's rib, women as subordinate to men & all that). Strong independant women have routinely been vilified by proponents of the male-centric philosophy of the traditional role of women.


Interesting sidenote: Gloria Steinem is the stepmom of actor Christian Bale (thought I'd throw that in).

Truman and Eisenhower in agreement
Truman and Eisenhower had differing political philosophies but they both agreed that Joe McCarthy was an embarrassment to America.

Two things I wonder about
The one thing that got reported on more than any other in my memory is that McCarthy held press conferences and waved a white piece of paper at the press and declared "I have here a list of 150 (or some number) of communists in the State Department; and then someone got a glimpse of the paper and it was blank.

The second is an article I read which purported to describe the beginning of McCarthy's campaign against communists in the state department.

It seems that McCarthy, a priest and another gentleman met in a restaurant to talk about a theme for (I think) his re-election campaign, at any rate it was a meeting to pick an agenda for McCarthy. The group tossed a number of ideas on the table until finally the priest suggested "communists in government." As I recall, the article said that none of the group had any idea that there were communists in government, only that it might be a good campaign strategy.

I wonder if Evans covers these stories in his book. Anyone know?

N.O.W. and Ms. Steinem
The N.O.W. organization and Ms. Steinem have yet to come to the defense of Juanita Broderick. So to say how they stick up for women is like saying Hillary spent 35 years fighting for the children and some one else must have been co-president when Elian Gonzalez was shipped off to Cuba.

Catholicism's influence
I believe that Evans is a stern Catholic. And didn't Chambers convert to Catholicism?

Will: I love the behind the scenes reporters who tell us what no one else will.

I refer to something I saw somewhere which described the parties that Cohen used to give. I believe he lived on a boat. At anyrate, it appears that rather than being a closeted homosexual Cohen was known as a flaming homosexual to everyone in Washington, I guess it was, or New York, but it was one of those things that never got into the press and the American public in general was not aware of.

Those Misunderstood Stalinists
The third most powerful man in Stalin's Russia, deputy to Lavrenty Beria, the chief of the NKVD, described how the Stalinists felt about the deluded idiots that were helping the Soviets with their plans to destroy the West:

"They dream of lasting peace and building a democratic world for all men. They dont seem to realize that WE are the ones who are going to build the new world, and that we shall do so without their liberal democratic recipes. All their slobber plays right into our hands, and we shall thank them for this, in the new world, with coals of fire. We shall drive them into such dead ends as they've never dreamed of. We shall disrupt them and corrupt them from within. We shall lull them to sleep, sap their will to fight. The whole 'free western' world will burst apart like a fat, squashed toad...Our aim justifies this. Our aim is a grand one, the destruction of the old, vile world."
Beria's Deputy Abakumov
(Stalin's Secret War- Nikolai Tolstoy)

Something similar will be said said by Ahmadhinejahd or Osama Bin Laden after they receive their honorary degrees from Harvard.

Liberalism 101
What fun to be a liberal.

In the face of overwhelming evidence, unquestioned scholarship and polite argument all they need to do is call you and idiot to win!


Edward R. Murrow was...
...was an energetic communist sympathizer, if not a communist, to say the least. Murrow admitted that he was a member of the Industrial Workers of the World, the IWW, and he sponsored a Communist school in Moscow. Murrow would select American students and teachers to attend according to the Russian espionage and propaganda organization known as Voks (V-O-K-S).

I think Murrow was actually a commie and McCarthy a concerned American and a patriot. And, as McCarthy was known to say, the the closer he got to communists in the government the louder the communists in the press howled.

As for Harry Dexter White, he was complicit in the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

You lefty's have an awful lot of dirty laundry to be aired. You may have been able to cleanse your "drawers" in records here in the US, but the Russians have kept records just like the Nazi's. One day you will all be exposed. "Good night and good luck (comrade)".

Bucko
"Harry Dexter White, he was complicit in the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor."

How? By telling FDR that the attack had occurred some time on December 7, 1941.

FIERY JOE MCCARTHY
When McCarthy held his hearings, I was but a starry-eyed young teen accustomed to the fire and brimstone preached from the pulpit twice every Sunday.

McCarthy reminded me so much of those preachers and the preachers who traveled the land bringing "revivals" in tents with sawdust on the floors -- all unforgettable experiences.

As that starry-eyed teen, I had no idea what the hullaballoo was all about. All I knew was that McCarthy was fairly breathing fire and brimstone, and his startlingly blue eyes and startlingly black hair added to the excitement.

I liked him then, based on just those credentials. Since then, frankly, I haven't thought about him very much.

It is nice to learn, however, that my admiration was not entirely misplaced -- even though it had been based then on his perceived theatrics.

No matter what else one may say of Joe McCarthy, he did put on a good show.

Will's a moron too as is nyrock,trughes.
Not one of you Liberals have proven anything that has been said about McCarthy, EVER! You use invective only and bad invective at that. ANYONE that say they can prove he did what they say he did has never done it. All you do is puke leftist echo chamber BS and flame anyone who doubts your veracity and intellect. You Liberals are all children that never grew up. And a child that never grows up is called a MORON. Read it and weep idiots.

Look, zapdoodat,...
...I'm not going to do your homework for you. If you can't comprehend how advantageous it was to Stalin for America to be at war with Japan on Russia's Eastern flank, while the Soviet Union was facing Germans on Russia's Western front, than I can't help your ignorance. Harry Dexter White promoted the hostilities between Japan and the US for Stalin.

As for, "will" and his descriptions of emotion in my referring to Murrow as a "commie", sorry to disappoint you "will", but facts are dry. Emotion is only used by the left when a lie is desired to be believed. Such as Ronald Reagan being responsible for the "homeless problem" in the US. If you believe that this is so, then Google, if you dare, the "Community Mental Health Centers Act of 1963" (CMHC) and follow the dots. The dots will eventually lead you to JFK as the author of the homeless story in the US.

OK! Your turn(s). Make it good, so we can all see how smart you both are.

Finally
I was a young teen also and watched the hearings and liked what I saw. When I went to school we
were educated not indoctrinated. My husband and I have said for years, Joe was not wrong and the proof for us was the continuous attack of media even today. Makes you think that nothings changed, only now the moles aren't just marxist sympathizers but Islamic and open borders.
I may be guilty of wearing a tin foil hat but
I've often wondered, did Joe really die naturally or was he helped? A la Ft. Marcy Park.
We know the Soviets had their ways of making deaths appear natural. Just wondering.

Go Phyllis..Go Ann
These two have more courage than any athiestic, emotion driven, feelings worshiping, liberal could ever hope to muster when encountering the truth. The spirit of Liberaleze is to be contrarian because all of their basis for truth is subjective. This also conveniently plays into their favorite activity....self promotion. Because liberals despise the rule of God they also exclude themselves from objective truth. This leaves them in their made up world of "whatever feels good today..that's what I believe, dude".
The definition of humility is to agree with the truth of God...His word. You have to set aside your reasonings and opinions and accept the never changing truth of God. This results in the anti-ego maniac....the very opposite of the "two feet planted firmly in the air" liberal athiest.
Liberals live in the ever expanding world of "if it feels good, then do it." They never advocate for morality or selflessness. They would have to endure the hatred of the unrepentant and that would be unpleasant. Liberals are stupid and dangerous in that they champion self destructive irresponsibility and are ready to defend any miscreant and grant them unending therapy.
Of course the liberals hate Joe McCarthy, he was basing his investigations and attempts to root out and expose what he knew was an evil, freedom destroying philosophy. He was the point man; he stuck his own neck out where he was sure to receive injury. Liberals never want to deal with an issue until something becomes so bad that they would find themselves in the majority fighting back and then they would spend the rest of their lives defending themselves with the teary eyed.." I had no other choice but to take a stand."

ex-Wyomingite
"As we see on this thread, until everyone who has or had a stake in a story is long gone, there is no truth. I regret I won't live to see how history judges Joseph McCarthy, nor will anyone on here today, but I promise you the final word is a long way away from being written on the subject of Joseph McCarthy, regardless of what you think you know about it."

I hear this idea often it is very akin to the idea that the histories of war are written by the winners.

I whole heartedly disagree with both ideas.

As with McCarthy it takes courage to see the truth that is before you(this is not a repudiation of you just the idea.).
It takes courage becouse when you recognize the truth it then requires you to do something about it. Or to not do something and live with your conscience

Go Phyllis... Go Ann
and take davpatt3 with you!

Nothing has changed,
leftists today support totalitarian regimes now just as then.

Bucko
so FDR pulled all the strings that led to the rise of Germany and it's invasions of many countries in Europe?

And FDR forced Japan to start a war with Korea, Manchuria, China, the Dutch East Indies, Singapore, French Indochina, the Philippines and many more! FDR is truly the 'man behind the curtain', pulling all the levers that controlled the world.

Was Winston Churchill just FDR's lackey?



Liberals, embrace NEW facts
I can forgive people if they hated McCarthy per-Venona. Hollywood did their level best to depict him as a drunken homosexual (not that there's anything wrong with that, unless you are Republican), as a vicious paranoid lunaitic, or as an ambitious politician who smeared his opponents with the tag of "commie" without the slightest evidence.

BUT IT WAS ALL A LIE!!!!

There is incontrovertible proof that McCarthy accused people of being Soviet agents because they WERE Soviet agents. Get that through your heads.

Imagine a Nazi serving in FDR's war cabinet, or al Qaeda operatives advising George W Bush, or Soviet spies working in the Pentagon signal room. Oh wait, the last one actually happened, only McCarthy had her fired. Did people cheer him? No!

They accused him of attacking the wrong woman, since Annie Lee Moss was a poor dumb black woman (liberals are quick to believe blacks to be incompetent) who couldn't have been expected to understand complicated ideas like Marxism. She claimed that there were other "Annie Lee Mosses in the phone book, and this was enough to exonerate her, and get her her job back at the Pentagon, though not in the signal room. George Clooney included this incident in "Good Night and Good Luck" as proof of McCarthy's incompetence.

If this whole thing proves anything, it is Clooney's incompetence. Annie Lee Moss, THE Annie Lee Moss, who worked in the signal room at the Pentagon was awarded a medal by the KGB for her service to Stalin, according to declassified Soviet documents. Clooney should have known this.

So, liberals, the real world is nothing like the movies. I am sorry to disappoint you.


Everybody Knows
OK, here's a way to decipher truth. It is not flawless, but it is a good BS detector. If the evidence offered for any position is "everybody knows", then it is a lie. If people get really mad when you ask HOW everybody knows, that pretty much seals the deal.

Everybody knows that McCarthy was evil. That Reagan was a moron. That overpopulation... no, running out of oil... no, acid rain... no, deforestation... no, the ozone layer... no, global global warming will kill us all (each doomsday threat conforms to a different decade of my life). That thousands of women died every year from back-alley abortions before Roe V Wade. That AL Gore is smart. That Nelson Mandela is a man of peace.

This list cold go on forever, but you get the idea.

Name one person McCarthy murdered



trughes writes: 2:50 PM
Joe Mcarthy was an American Beria
He used the same techniques of innuendo and fear to censure and ruin men and women for what they thought.

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Dossier of Stalin's Henchman Presented
January 17, 2003

MOSCOW (AP) - Russian prosecutors on Friday presented a criminal dossier on feared Soviet secret police chief Lavrenty Beria, including a list of hundreds of women he had allegedly stalked and raped.

Some Russian and foreign historians have said that Beria had the laboratory develop an array of poisons to use against his foes at home and abroad. Some theorized that Beria might have poisoned Soviet dictator Josef Stalin himself.

Beria was appointed head of the NKVD secret police in 1938 and playeda a major role in the terror of the Stalin era. He oversaw purges in which tens of thousands of people were executed and ruled the forced labor camps where millions were imprisoned.

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/7023-2.cfm

Too many idiots post here

cleverness_of_me
Joe McCarthy & his gay assistant Roy Cohn (who died of AIDS complications in 1986, just one year after Rock Hudson)....Roy Cohn who was recommended to McCarthy by J. Edgar Hoover (who would later be blackmailed by the Mafia after finding out about his "secret" relationship with Clyde Tolson)....

In October, 1952 Las Vegas Sun columnist Hank Greeenspan wrote: "Joe McCarthy is a bachelor of 43 years. He seldom dates girls & if he does he laughingly descibes it as window dressing. It is common talk among homosexuals in Milwaukee who rendezvous at the White Horse Inn that Senator Joe McCarthy has often engaged in homosexual activities."

Another article alleged McCarthy spent the night with a William McMahon, formerly an official of the Milwaukee County Young Republicans. McCarthy briefly considered filing a suit, but took no action. Instead, he married his research assistant Jeannie Kerr and they adopted a baby girl.

Quite a cabal, Joe & Roy & Edgar. You do the math, clever.

All the BS and
red herrigs and change of subject and name calling, even the fact that McCarthy was a drunken opportunist does not change the facts. He claimed there were communists in positions of great power in our govt, and that they were traitorously advancing the agendas of communist USSR and Mao Tse Tung in opposition to the interests of the USA. Truman knew enough of the truth to be appalled, but buried it for political reasons, and McCarthy was crucified, not that he didn't make it easy, in many ways. But his theme WAS right, and he WAS obliterated as a dangerous maverick. It is the people like the Rosenbergs and Hiss who have been exposed by the light of history, and the left wing fellow travelers who are attempting to re-write the truth.

An excellent article
...And absolutely and historically true. Even Bobby Kennedy believed in McCarthy. The ONLY reason RFK left McCarthy was because of Cohen, who he hated. The two main things McCarthy did that screwed us, was to be a self-imploding drunk and botching the deal so that, even now, we cannot call the "progressives" what they are- communists. And they have flourished since.

As the generation of aging hippies passes away, perhaps we will hear more of the truth about some of these that we "love" and hate.

Facts are facts
Facts remain FACTS whether you like them or not. What ever Joe McCarthy may have been, what ever his methods were he revealed the facts. Most if not ll of our "liberal" friends here are guilty of shooting the messenger because they don't like the message. Its also stupid to point to wrongs done by other administrations or government officials saying "they did it too" that has no bearing on the facts. The name calling and finger pointing is also stupid. These are the acts of children not adults. The facts are that Joe McCarthy was not only right but was crucified for being right. You can ignore or deny the facts all you want but it does not change them. Phyllis is not the first writer to support Joe, Michelle Malkin wrote extensively about him documenting his crucifixion as well. But since she is also hated by the lefties I can suppose she is ignored as well. There is pattern of liberal (lefty) behavior here -- when any one presents facts that you don't like, then they are pilloried, demeaned and mocked. But never ever are their facts refuted - because they remain true. Since you can't change the truth then slaughter the presenter.

Locked in liberal land..forever
acceptreality writes: Monday, January, 28, 2008 2:41 PM
Robert
You would have done well on the Tydings commission. No evidence to refute the charges; just name calling and demonization.
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A liberal will NEVER explore anything that has a possibility of conflicting the preconceived beliefs that have been imposed on him by the Democrat Party.

Presenting facts and the truth to a liberal causes confusion and anger because they haven't the ability to sift information and consider the possibility that what they have been told is possibly incorrect.

My brother was there
Bobzmcishl writes: Monday, January, 28, 2008 5:35 PM
Joe McCarthy - Revisionist History
You had to have lived through the McCarthy era to really appreciate just how evil a person he was. That he was a U.S. Senator allowed to make accusations against innocent American's was inexcusable.
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I speak often to my brother and we have had conversations about this. There is no question the media railroaded McCarthy and if you would simply get the book and look at the DOCUMENTED EVIDENSE you would know this. These are government archived material that have only recently been made available.

It is your kind that still believe Alger Hiss is innocent. The Democrats in America and the Communists worldwide are as good as welded at the hip. Both believe in full government control of every aspect of the citizens life, redistribution of wealth and a total shut down of free communication and voicing of dissent (unless they are the ones dissenting). The PC movement is a great example of the left shutting down free expression by meeting any question about a minority group with the same tired accusation of racism, bigotry and homophobia.

Liberals inability to admit wrongdoing
Savage99 writes:

It is the people like the Rosenbergs and Hiss who have been exposed by the light of history, and the left wing fellow travelers who are attempting to re-write the truth.
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There are many liberals today who INSIST both Hiss and the Rosenbergs were innocent, despite the overwhelming and totally conclusive evidence.

jjv
So who was on McCarthy’s list? Take time to ask your brother if you need.

The left long ago did a number on Joe.
McCarthy made numerous valid observations.

There was rampant communist infiltration of our government, but by the time McCarthy began his loyalty oaths, that information was already out there.

I may be mistaken, but I think McCarthy did make a couple of improvident remarks about Eisenhower and others...not that they were communists but rather that they were dupes of the communists.

I think that was unwise on his part.

But McCarthy was on target on his general point.

And the left, so sensitive over its documented alliance with many communist-front organizations, simply destroyed him.

What the left did to McCarthy was far worse than what few, if any, improvident remarks McCarthy may have made toward innocent people.

And as Evans' book documents, there was not a single innocent victim of McCarthy's investigations.

On this matter, the left should forever hold its head in shame.

Why do Libs attack Gays?
Why are liberals all for gay rights (marriage, teachers, Boy Scouts et al.) but attack people for being gay (whether or not proven)? This is about Sen Joe McCarthy & communists in the US government. It has nothing to do with gays...hypocrites!

will
One other thing....once history proves Joe McCarthy & Roy Cohn to be closeted homosexuals, watch Phyllis Schlafly turn on Joe LIKE THAT!! (*snaps finger!*) Watch lovely Phyllis then start calling Joe a pinko commie & retracting all this hogwash.


History will prove EVERYONE is gay! And if your not gay, your in denial.

A superb book
I cannot recommend the M Stanton Evans book highly enough. It is superb history, fastidiously researched. While the reader is not unaware of Evans' political views, unlike the standard liberal left histories, he doesn't foist these upon the reader but leaves it open for them to draw their own conclusions. As a trained historian it is a delight to read such excellent work. As a committed Conservative it is wonderful to see the much maligned hero McCarthy set free of the lies of liberal left traitors to Western civilisation. Ann Coulter's treason may have given a taster of the truth, but Evans' work will become the standards text. Never again will traitors such as George Clooney be able to make films such as Good Night and Good Luck. I am not surprised that our current liberal left traitors are up in arms at seeing their lies nailed at last.

McCarthy gay?
Couldn't care less. It is his sound politics, not his sexual orientation which matter. How odd that our caring non-homophobic left, in absence of being unable to continue their slanders against this hero suddenly come over all homophobic in their ad hominem attacks. And lefties wonder why we despise them for the racist sexist homophobes they are.

MellorSJ, Troll Extraordinaire.
Oh Please MellorSJ, you've spent your credibility long ago.

Characteristics of Communist Russia:

Mass murder, poverty, oppression, explicit atheism, absolute unquestioned state authority.

Characteristics of Communist China:

Mass murder, poverty, oppression, explicit atheism, absolute unquestioned state authority.

Characteristics of Communist Zimbabwe:

Mass murder, poverty, oppression, explicit atheism, absolute unquestioned state authority.

Notice a pattern yet MellorSJ? Is stating "the sky is blue" also a generalization? Well, I suppose it is considering the sky in your world probably changes colors, although only in varying shades of red.

Or would you like to argue Stalin didn't really have gulags? Chairman Mao didn't slaughter millions? Mugabe hasn't been employing strongmen to kill dissidents?

Perhaps they all meant well. That seems to be good enough to get you a pass on the left these days.

Re: Hysterical Historians
"Schlafly...a nut defending an idiot...Tail Gunner JOe..."

Obviously he didn't take the time to read M. Stanton Evans' well-documented book on the matter, preferring instead the fairytale rendition of history made-up in Tinzel Town.

Of course McCarthy was RIGHT. Heck even the US House of Representatives Select Committee on Un-American Activities Vice Chariman, Congressman Samuel Dickstein, (NY-D), was a Communist agent on the payroll of the Soviet NKVD.

When leftists don't like the message, they usually "shoot the messenger", as they did Sen. Joe McCarthy.

Will
I did not offer an opinion one way or the other as to McCarthy's sexual orientation. Why did you address your comment to me?

My point was that, rather than discussing the core issue of whether Lauchlan Currie, Harry Dexter White, Alger Hiss, Annie Lee Moss, or any of McCarthy's other targets were in fact Stalinist spies, you focus on his private life and personality.

I guess you just proved me wrong.

BTW, suggesting that Joe was gay because Roy was gay is guilt by association, which was supposed to have been McCarthy's biggest sin.

He was right and wrong
There were communists and their allies in high places in government. Many of the China experts at State were Maoists and they influenced the US reaction to events in China, including cutting off aid to Chiang in 1948.

But he also went after people who were merely leftists and his attacks became basically a witch hunt with many many innocent people having their lives ruined and he did so simply for political gain.

On balance he probably did more harm than good, but to say he did no good at all is just as untrue as saying he was some sort of saint.


Silicon Doc
Great post, but here's something that will really fry your brain: the Kennedys were great friends with McCarthy! Bobby Kennedy was actually McCarthy's number two in the senate on this issue of loyalty risks and JFK even referred to McCarthy as a "patriot".

While it is true that JFK had a lot of problems, and was an abysmal failure at getting legislation passed, he was a die-hard anti-communist tax-cutter, who spent a greater portion of his budget on the military than Reagan (a fact Reagan was more than happy to point out).

Akagi: Names please?
Even one name.

Name one innocent person whose career was destroyed by Joe McCarthy.

McCarthy was asked to investigate "loyalty risks" in the government, and in sensitive military contractors. He did not have to prove that someone was a spy, only that they had conflicted loyalties, inconsistent with occupying a position where they would have access to classified materials.

So put your money where your mouth is and name one.

Well,
I read the definitive biography about McCarthy. He ruined dozens of careers, not to mention lives of people who were no more than liberal. He was a vindictive, obsessed, self-righteous drunk who deserved the final humiliations that he got.

The Name Game
Here's how it works: if you assert that "many people" were "victimized" and "had there lives ruined" by someone, you have assumed a burden of proof. For starters, you could name one innocent victim of McCarthy whose career was ruined.

For example, I assert that the Soviets locked people of for writings that were critical of the Soviet Union. As examples, I cite Solzhenitsyn, Sharansky, or Sakharov. Or I point you to "The Gulag Archipelago" which documents the scope of the human rights abuse of the Soviets.

So, give it a try.

One name.

Re: Politics of personal destruction
"Quite a cabal, Joe & Roy & Edgar. You do the math, clever."

Your point being what? That fags shouldn't be allowed to work in government, or that homosexuality is such a perverse character flaw that it's impossible for its practitioners to come up with the right answers?

calm.Touj
Have you read Evans' book, and looked at the evidence he uncovered? This is new. Try to follow along.

Just liberals?
It infuriates me when Stalinists are described as just being "liberals". This is like describing King Kong as being a "large monkey".

calm.Touj
What is the title of this biography of McCarthy? Was it written pre-Venona? Was it written by a Communist?

Parallel of McCarthy and Angleton
Joseph McCarthy was censured after exposing a lot of communists who had infiltrated US government--and then destroyed.

James Jesus Angleton shouted oft in 1960's that CIA had been infiltrated by a KGB mole, and was then castigated because CIA's internal investigations failed to find the mole; unfortunately, rather than showing the ABSENCE of a mole, it is more likely to indicate that the mole was detection-savvy--as it is SOP for countries' intel services to infiltrate opposition's intel.

Both rather abrasive, but quite loyal to their country--unlike the commies and moles who abused the freedom of this nation in support of totalitarian oppression!

Re: Commies and fellow travellers
"There were communists and their allies in high places in government."

Ever wonder why the UN is so screwed up. The key representative of the US in drafting its Charter was none other than Alger Hiss, who also represented President Harry Truman and the US at the United Nations Charter Conference in San Francisco in 1945.

As leftists always insist on "shooting the messenger" that is delivering bad news about one of favorites, they slimed Whitaker Chambers, a reformed Russian spy, who "outed" Hiss as a fellow agent of the Soviet GRU.

McCarthy made a career
out of yelling "Commie!" & engaging in witch hunts directed at left-wing artists & intellectuals of the time. Many film directors such as Elia Kazan were branded "un-american". Playwrights like Clifford Odets were branded "un-american". Yes, there was a Blacklist. Yes, careers were ruined.

Actually, this is now a bona fide modus operandi of the political right. During the course of this unwinnable "war on terror" (before the majority of the american people turned against the Bush administration), Sean Penn was branded "un-american". Novelist & intellectual Susan Sontag was branded "un-american". George Clooney, the Dixie Chicks, Jack Murtha were all branded "un-american".

I think this characteristic of the hard right can be traced back to our Puritan roots, the right's psychological forefathers, where americans were routinely branded "WITCHES!". The right is constantly running around with a sharp finger pointed at somebody, like the pod people in the horror classic "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".

Sen. Tydings a REAL dirtbag!!!!
Wasn't he the same weasel who was bought and paid for by Juan Tripp to keep Howard Hughes (and ANY other competitor) from having access to South American air routes?

-Ray

Re: Die Hard IV
"While it is true that JFK had a lot of problems, and was an abysmal failure at getting legislation passed, he was a die-hard anti-communist tax-cutter, who spent a greater portion of his budget on the military than Reagan (a fact Reagan was more than happy to point out)."

If JFK was such a Cold Warrior, how do explain his failure to support the Cuban patriots, as he had promised, at the Bay of Pigs?

As for his Defense spending, I believe JFK campaigned in 1960 on the fictious "Missile Gap". After all, those were the dim days of Sputnick. The real truth was revealed in the "Missiles of October" incident, where the Soviets showed they had no stomach to be on the receiving end of US Bomber-borne and Missile-borne Nukes. Bottomline, however, was the Soviets got Cuba, and we blocked Cuban patriots from taking back their homeland ever since.

Re: Politics of personal destruction
"McCarthy made a career
out of yelling 'Commie!' & engaging in witch hunts directed at left-wing artists & intellectuals of the time. Many film directors such as Elia Kazan were branded 'un-american'. Playwrights like Clifford Odets were branded 'un-american'. Yes, there was a Blacklist. Yes, careers were ruined."

You display your gross ignorance. Joe McCarthy NEVER held a single inquiry into Tinzel Town and its hoards of Commies. Apparently he rightly felt there were more than enough Commies in the Truman Administration and leftover from the FDR to make a career out of the "outing"!

I suggest you read a good book on the subject and stop relying Hollywood fiction as a historical source. It really makes you look foolish.

BTW, the "Black List" was the product of Hollywood itself trying to clean-up its act and not a government device to stop Commies from working in the movies.

You Just Have Wonder
I've seen libs on this thread link Joe McCarthy to homosexuality, being a drunk, and catholicism. I guess you just cannot have any of these in official government positions.

Time to get rid of:
Barney Frank - a homosexual
Ted Kennedy a drunk (who left a woman to drown to death)
John Kerry - a catholic. (At least he says so)

Oh wait. They are democrats. So it's OK.

What a bunch of friggin' hypocrites.

Will
The Blacklist was created by the House Committee on Un-American Activities. It was enforced by the Hollywood studios. McCarthy was a senator. He did not serve on or lead HUAC or any House committee.

Elia Kazan is a hero of the right for naming names before that committee. His career was damaged by Hollywood insiders who objected to his testimony. Kazan has yet to be recognized by the Academy for his lifetime acheivements, largely because he was an ANTI-communist. To say McCarthy had a grudge against Kazan would be like accusing Ken Starr of having a grudge against Linda Tripp.

The other artists you mentioned all have flourishing careers. The Dixie Chicks actually increased their album sales and concert gross AFTER the Bush controversy. Clooney was just nominated for an Oscar. Oh, if only someone would ruin my career like that!

You really need to learn some history before making any more posts.

Look out! There are Commies EVERYWHERE!
... and they are coming to take away our money and force us to be atheists!

Ms. Schlafly, kindly join Ms. Coulter in the corner and leave the adults alone.

Concerning Witches
Today, we think witch-hunts to be quite foolish, because we know that there aren't devil-worshippers using Satanic powers to destroy our crops and kill our livestock. But if there really WERE witches, it would completely change our perception of the "witch-hunt".

During the McCarthy Era, there really were witches.

were all in favor of his purpose


You can like the destination but dislike the route taken to get there. So maybe what Senator McCarthy did wasn’t 100% as it should have been, but how many millions of Americans would have suffered if not for Sen. McCarthy?

I remember the story told by two friends, both were Ph.Ds, with liberal political views, who I worked with at the RAND Corp. They spent a cross country trip in the circular lounge in the rear of an American Airlines DC-6 (if you are old enough to remember that), talking to Senator McCarthy.

They started out with pure antagonism, but by the end of his discussion they had changed their mind as to the need for what he was trying to do. He explained the number of Communists in the State Dept., and what they were doing, and said that nothing he would or could do, could get the Communists revealed, so he took up the process that later became known as McCarthyism.

Something had to be done, and he did it. My friends still didn’t agree with his methods, but they were all in favor of his purpose.

I heard his last speech in the Senate


I was in the gallery of the U. S. Senate, when Senator Joe McCarthy gave his last speech, in 1957. He was an terrible mess that day.

He was mean and nasty to other Senators, and when he started to ramble in his last speech, every Senator left the floor.

I can’t say he was drunk, but it was either that or the sickness that claimed his life a few days later.

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I was working at the RAND Corp. at that time, and was in Washington, DC on a special training mission, using a computerized war game to train Air Defense RADAR operators, whose job it was to guard the Nations Capital.

During one trip to Washington, after a training class at a RADAR station near Wash DC went bad, the Two-Starred General got up to leave, saying as he left, “I’m going home and dig me a deep hole in the back yard.”

Those days bomb shelters were all the rage.

Re: Tinzel Town Terrorists
"In a phase of this struggle not widely known, some of us came toe to toe with this enemy this evil force in our own community in Hollywood, and make no mistake about it, this is an evil force. Don't be deceived because you are not hearing the sound of gunfire, because even so you are fighting for your lives. And you're fighting against the best organized and the most capable enemy of freedom and of right and decency that has ever been abroad in the world. Some years ago, back in the thirties, a man who was apparently just a technician came to Hollywood to take a job in our industry, an industry whose commerce is in tinsel and colored lights and make-believe. He went to work in the studios, and there were few to know he came to our town on direct orders from the Kremlin. When he quietly left our town a few years later the cells had been formed and planted in virtually all of our organizations, our guilds and unions. The framework for the Communist front organizations had been established." Ronald Reagan, 1957 Speech at Eureka College

"clever"
I think we can safely say that the right wrapping itself up tightly in the american flag (or the left for that matter) can be a very dangerous, santimonious thing.

I'm sorry. My sympathies are with Ed Murrow & the victims of the witch hunts & YES! even George Clooney.

Visceral response: Aligning oneself with Phyllis Schlafly feels dirty....a shower is needed after reading her blogs....any moral & responsible person intuitively knows her position on McCarthy & McCarthyism is wrong in the light of 2008. It's like aligning oneself with slavery defenders. Or Confederate Flag fetishists. Some issues cannot remain forever "open to debate".

Good luck rehabilitating McCarthy
We can't out-shout the Left.

The Left's influence on the mainstream media and on education is so strong, that it won't matter what we say here, or print. They will drown out the message, and successive generations of people who have been taught what to think, not how to think, and have been numbed by our 24/7, instant-gratification, American Idol text-messaging culture don't have the attention spans to listen to anything longer than 20 seconds.

So, Joe McCarthy was bad, he harassed innocent State Department employees and Hollywood directors, producers and actors, who, we all know, are nobler than the rest of us. It'll never be any different.

Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

Hillary delenda est.


Will
I now classify you with Robert and Hal. I shall not read or respond to anything you have to say, because you refuse to think.

Try reading a book. I recommend "Go Dog Go", it is appropriate to your level of development.

Re: Tinzel Town Terrorists
"It was some time later, under the guise of a jurisdictional strike involving a dispute between two unions, that we saw war come to Hollywood. Suddenly there were 5,000 tin-hatted, club-carrying pickets outside the studio gates. We saw some of our people caught by these hired henchmen; we saw them open car doors and put their arms across them and break them until they hung straight down the side of the car, and then these tin-hatted men would send our people on into the studio. We saw our so-called glamour girls, who certainly had to be conscious of what a scar on the face or a broken nose could mean careerwise going through those picket lines day after day without complaint. Nor did they falter when they found the bus which they used for transportation to and from work in flames from a bomb that had been thrown into it just before their arrival. Two blocks from the studio everyone would get down on hands and knees on the floor to avoid the bricks and stones coming through the windows. And the 5,000 pickets out there in their tin hats weren't even motion picture workers. They were maritime workers from the waterfront--members of Mr. Harry Bridges' union." Ronald Reagan, President of the Screen Actors Guild 1947-1952 & 1959, From his 1957 Speech at Eureka College

JFK was a Front Man, but a very good one

Several people have mentioned JFK as a great President.

I remember JFK as a real front man. He is considered to have been a great president, but no one can remember why, except that he was a great front man. He may also have been the brain behind the front, but that’s difficult to see.

His worst error was the appoint Bobby to anything, his best was to court Marilyn Monroe. I know, I know, I’m not supposed to say that, but she reminds me of my Sweetie.

Reagan was both a Front Man and the brain behind the front. I met with him many times in meetings when he was Governor, and in private meetings in later years, and I can assert he knew what was going on and what he wanted to have go on.

So remember, being the Front man is a nice job, but there are other reasons to elect a President.

Clinton was a likable man, but was lucky to have Newt running Congress in his last term.

Bush is not so very lovable, and he has had no one running the Congress, so he looks even worse than he actually is, and that’s hard to do.

But remember, the most important thing is that in addition to being a Front Man, a Republican will appoint staff who are more conservative than the liberal staff who will be appointed by a Democrat.

Re: Tinzel Town Terrorists
"We won our fight in Hollywood, cleared them out after seven long months in which even homes were broken, months in which many of us carried arms that were granted us by the police, and in which policemen lived in our homes, guarding our children at night. And what of the quiet film technician who had left our town before the fighting started? Well, in 1951 he turned up on the Monterey Peninsula where he was involved in a union price-fixing conspiracy. Two years ago he appeared on the New York waterfront where he was Harry Bridges' right hand man in an attempt to establish a liaison between the New York and West Coast waterfront workers. And a few months ago he was mentioned in the speech of a U.S. Congresswoman who was thanking him for his help in framing labor legislation. He is a registered lobbyist in Washington for Harry Bridges." Ronald Reagan, President of the Screen Actors Guild 1947-1952 & 1959, From his 1957 Speech at Eureka College

I was a Secret Spy for the FBI


In addition to learning about IBM machines, in 1951 I was a secret spy for the FBI, looking for members of the Julius and Ethel Rosenberg spy ring at Ft. Monmouth, NJ.

The Rosenbergs had worked at Ft. Monmouth, and had stolen some sensitive information while working there in the 1940s. The Government thought there might still be some Russian spies at Fort Monmouth, in addition to the Rosenbergs.

Sounds like an exciting story, but all my weekly reports mailed to the secret FBI PO Box number in a phony town name, said, “Nothing to Report.” In 1953, after I had left the Army, Senator Joe McCarthy focused his Anti-Communist hearings on past spy rings at Ft. Monmouth, NJ. They were both executed as spys on June 19, 1953.

My Major had told me to report to a certain building at a certain time. He very gruffly told me to tell him what it was all about, when I returned.

Several high-ranking officers and FBI officials said that we were to keep an eye out for spies, were given a secret PO Box to mail a weekly report, and were forbidden to tell anyone that this meeting even took place.

My Major had said I must tell him about the meeting, so they gave me a telephone number to memorize, for him to call.

The Major had the “screaming mimis” when I wouldn’t tell what happened, so I told him the phone number. He dialed and firmly demanded they tell him what was going on.

His face turned to stone, he came to attention in his chair, and said, “Yes sir! Yes sir!” and hung up. He had no more questions, that was the end of his involvement. (1951)

As an aside--book titles
What is it with authors today? Does every book have to have a title with a subtitle?

If Tolstoy wrote "War and Peace" today, his publisher would tell him the title's too short:

"Leo, Leo, I'm tellin' ya, boychik! Ya gotta give it title with some meat to it! 'War and Peace'?! Too short! How 'bout 'War and Peace: How I Survived Russian Winters and a French Invasion, to Find Myself at Last'?"

Hillary delenda est.

Jim
What is your point?

Bragging or complaining?

Did they let you read the Venona Cables concerning the Rosenbergs?

You have no real information to add.

Re: Fellow Travellers
"I'm sorry. My sympathies are with Ed Murrow & the victims of the witch hunts & YES! even George Clooney."

TRANSLATION: "I will accept no facts that disturbs my carefully crafted fantasy worldview."

Re: Champions of Free Speech
"Some issues cannot remain forever open to 'debate'."

Typical leftist reaction to debate on any subject:

"I totally disagree with your position on any subject and thus deny your right to profess it."

Re: JFK wasn't totally worthless
"He is considered to have been a great president, but no one can remember why, except that he was a great front man."

Of course, JFK wasn't totally worthless as he gave the Republican Party and Ronald Reagan a great "one liner" to define basic concept of "Supplyside Economics" and cutting taxes:

"A rising tide lifts all boats."

Stalin honored his treaties
hahahahahahahaha! Try again, Bouette. Stalin was a monster. He lied and deceived and murdered without a second thought. Do you have any information, as yet unseen, that refutes the facts in the book? McCarthy was right and the left was wrong. Why are facts so difficult for you to understand? The State department was infiltrated by Soviet operators- confirmed (actually worse than believed) by the USSR later. Deal with it. Murrow was a lefty, just like Clooney. At least Murrow was intelligent; smiling George is a good actor but not exactly Einstein.

M Stanton Evan's Book
M Stanton Evans has done a great service for our country. The most extraordinary aspect of his book is tying the names of communists working for the US tax payer who were uncovered by Congressman Martin Dies (1937-1944), the names of communists uncovered by the HUAC Committee(1945-1953), the communists found on the FBI's "Lee list" (1951), with the communists revealed by the Venona Project,(published 1995) and the names of communists that surfaced in the Mitarokhin Archives (published 1999). All told, they confirm Senator McCarthy' assertion that 57 communists were working in the State Department.
But it was much worse than that. Far more Marxists and fellow travelers were working for the US taxpayer than even the 205 McCarthy is alleged to have mentioned in his Wheeling speech.
The situation was so awful that Truman and the Democrats had no choice but to cover the facts, and go after the bearer of bad news. Which they did in spades.
Liberals need to stop name calling and begin to read. Start with Evan's work, then read "The Sword and the Shield" (Andrews), "The Venona Secrets" (Romerstein, Breindel), and Thomas Reeves book about Joseph McCarthy, which though flawed, reveals the Senator to have been very much the human being he was. There is also a book about Martin Dies, but I do not have it at home and cannot recall the title.
Just because some liberals may have emerged from high school is no reason they should stop reading. Begin. Now! Chris

Facts are kryptonite to some
The disgusting display put on here by communist apologists is a fraction of what was heaped on McCarthy in the left's patented politics of personal destruction.

Will is classic, mistaking innuendo for adequate refutation of a scholar's research, waxing feverish about putative homosexuality in McCarthy or his associates. It doesn't matter to conservatives whether McCarthy was or was not gay as it does to sweaty Will. It mattered only whether McCarthy was correct as he was.

Will thinks sheer repetition of lies and wishful thinking make something true. He gets the most basic facts wrong, not knowing what the Black List was and neededing it explained to him, slowly. He has yet to come up with a single credible name of "the many many innocent people whose careers were ruined by McCarthy". He proffers Kazan and Odets, obviously not realizing that they named communist associate in the movie industry and it was retributive leftist Hollywood that made any dent in their careers. He claims to have read the definitive biography of McCarthy but doesn't identify the book or author (clue it would be indefensible).


McCarthy a hero, who threw Commies out


cleverness_of_me writes:
Tuesday, January, 29, 2008 1:34 PM
Jim
What is your point?

Bragging or complaining?

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I am Bragging and proud that I helped Senator McCarthy clean out the Commies in our government, and that I helped eliminate the Julius and Ethel Rosenberg spy ring.

But I am complaining that I don’t understand your post addressed to me, after I read your other comments today. Please explain what you meant.

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It certainly amazing how many Commie lovers still exist today. But to be gentle, just like in the Commie heydays in the ‘30s and ‘40’s in the USA, I think this love affair is more a result of stupidity, and ignorance than facts.

In spite of what you read here and elsewhere, there is not doubt in the real world that Joe McCarthy was a hero, who kept the Commies out of power.

As you read the comments of the McCarthy haters, and the Commie lovers on this column, would you like Commie traitors and criminals in charge of your country?

And without the help of Senator McCarthy, they might well be in charge, and not just writing about their over-blown hate for all that is good in this country.


left should stay home, spare everybody
To summarize the Left's modus operandi as demonstrated by Will: refusal to read anything no matter how credible that will refute previous beliefs. Calling author of unread book and anyone who admires him stupid/evil. Repetition of leftist calumnies without a shred of evidence. Presenting as evidence, the names of two men who prove the opposite of what he set out to prove. Acting as though if McCarthy were gay or if even one of his associates were gay, this would make them non-credible (Gay posters on this board, notice what the left really thinks about your orientation, just useful for slurring any conservative. You're only allowed to be unslimed if you vote Democrat).

It is unfortunate that the most ignorant leftists don't stay in their own benighted muck but insist on inflicting it on others on conservative sites. This is some bizarre proselytizing need they have, like those religious fanatics who stalk you at your door.

Smug is their middle name as they remain blissfully unaware when they make laughing stocks of themselves, being strangers to logic, evidence and shame and demonstrating it in their every inane utterance.

My view...
The way I see it is that McCathy was a very driven man who was on a mission, though noble in its purpose and at first good, got twisted along the way. Some people were unjustly attacked by his works, while others were justly persecuted. McCathy was zealous and true to his duty, though his aim, on more than one occasion, was a little off. He was, as with his peers that supported him and those who oppose him, a product of his time and thusly judged as such, for all the good and all the ill he did.

Chris,
Thanks for your efforts to supply a reading list for McCarthy haters. Do not expect any positive results.

Most will never read Evans, since they would then risk having their opinions disproved. Some will read only with the hope of finding a typo (thereby disqualifying Evans completely). Then there will be the few who will be so disquieted by the findings that they will simply exit the discussion without even saying goodbye.

None will admit that they might have been wrong about old Joe.

John Acton
For all of JFK's faults - and he had plenty of them - he was a staunch anti-Communist. Today's lefties cannot grasp that simple fact, and that's why they cannot accept the fact that he was murdered by a Communist sympathizer named Lee Harvey Oswald. That's why they concoct all of these bizarre conspiracy theories about Kennedy's assassination.

For those of you who are raking Senator McCarthy over the coals, you might remember that Senator JFK was one of his most avid supporters.

an apology
Actually, I owe an apology to the door-to-door religion salesmen. They are usually very polite and leave when you tell them you have your own beliefs. Unlike the Church of the Left, they don't stay to call you names and pressure you to read their material on your own doorstep and also, they don't show up every damned day.

JFK cut taxes
JFK cut taxes. He argued that tax cuts would help the economy AND increase revenue to the Treasury 20 years before Reagan did it. JFK cut the top marginal tax rates from 90% to 70%.

On the downside, JFK wiretapped Dr. Martin Luther King and thoroughly bungled the Bay of Pigs. Contrary to the way it has been reported he did not face down the Soviets during the Cuban Missile Crisis, but instead gave them encouragement and a major propaganda victory by removing US missiles from Turkey. He also was the first Prez to send combat troops to Vietnam, and did so without a mandate from Congress or the people, and without a comprehensive mission or strategy. The result was the worst holocaust since WWII.

All of this is in addition to the fact that his father stole (or should I say "bought") the Presidency for him.

But in the end JFK's legacy remains that when he vacated his Senate seat to run for the White House it was passed down to his little brother Teddy, who has been an abomination in that chamber of the federal government for more than 45 years.

stalin & his minions
For leftists' benefit:
Been avidly reading the latest works on Dmitri Shostakovich, my favorite 20th century composer. He miraculously evaded the NKVDs meatgrinder living & composing in the vast Gulag called Soviet Russia.

He states somwhere that a favorite sarcasm of Josef Stalin's with regard to all western governments was,

"Don't worry; they'll swallow it."

Seems like today's ultra-liberals, now bleating pathetically here like mad, still have that hook of Uncle Joe's in their throats ! He would've loved them !

haven't read the recent books, but the
articles in support of McCarthy have yet to sway my
opinion I had of him from my high school research
paper 20+ years ago.

Here is a review of the Evans book:

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/46544.html

Re: View from the left
"This, to put it charitably, was counter-productive. When America was smarting over having to hand over half of Europe to Stalin's tender mercies, and having backed the wrong horse in China, McCarthy was trying to soothe its injured pride by 'proving' that it was all Lattimore's or Hiss's fault, or those of little guys in the civil service and military."

The point that you have obviously missed in your effort to whitewash "Lattimore's or Hiss's fault" was that both China and Eastern Europe were handed over "to Stalin's tender mercies" primary through efforts of these and other Soviet moles in both the FDR and Truman Administrations. These Commies destroyed the negotiating position of our Nation vis a vis the Soviets by giving "Uncle Joe" our secrets. We enjoyed no complimentary "real time" intel on Soviet intentions such as was provided by these traitors.

Eastern Europe was sacrificed in order to get Russia to declare war against Japan, something the Soviets only did after the dropping of the Atomic Bomb. As a prize, the Soviets also gobbled up China and North Korea - two relics of the Cold War that still haunt us today.

The push to get Russia involved in the Far East was based on Soviet disinformation served up by Commie moles in the War Department on the Order of Battle of the fictious Japanese "Army of Manchuria", that was "composed of" of units that we had already "chewed-up" on our way across the Pacific. These were the very traitorous Leftists that the Patriot, Joe McCarthy attempted to exposed, suffering the media "hit job" that those fellow travellers on this thread continually rehash today. We all owe "Tail-gunner Joe" a big thank you.

good commentary
Thanks to the posters from the Right for providing a history that those of us too young to have lived it would not have known about.

Thanks for nothing to the posters from the Left who use innuendo and insults rather than factual disagreement.

But I suppose that that's the state of political discussion these days (sigh).

Re: The real JFK
"For all of JFK's faults - and he had plenty of them - he was a staunch anti-Communist. Today's lefties cannot grasp that simple fact, and that's why they cannot accept the fact that he was murdered by a Communist sympathizer named Lee Harvey Oswald. That's why they concoct all of these bizarre conspiracy theories about Kennedy's assassination."

Please then explain his sellout of the Cuban Patriots at the Bay of Pigs.

Regarding JFK's assassination - all I know is that I had an uncle who shared a Cuban prison cell with some the Bay of Pig heroes, who was released in a separate deal by the attorney who negotiated the "tractor deal" for their release. He had been arrested by Fidel's Secret Police in Havana and accused of being a CIA agent, which he wasn't.

Neither was he Cuban, although he lived in Miami and was very close to the anti-Castro Cuban community there. The day before JFK was killed in Dallas, my uncle told an FBI informant that the President would be assassinated on his trip to Texas. He confirmed this to me some time later. This is also documented in the FBI field reports on the matter kept in the National Archives.

Lee Harvey Oswald may have been a Communist sympathizer but he was also well-known to be associated with anti-Castro groups in New Orleans.

John Acton
"Please then explain his sellout of the Cuban Patriots at the Bay of Pigs."

I said Kennedy was anti-Communist (which is why he attempted the Bay of Pigs). I never said he was competent.

"Lee Harvey Oswald may have been a Communist sympathizer but he was also well-known to be associated with anti-Castro groups in New Orleans."

Such as...?

JFK, CIA, Bay of Pigs Invasion
"Please then explain his sellout of the Cuban Patriots at the Bay of Pigs."

JFK didn't sell out the CIA misread JFK, they
thought that he would cave if (WHEN) things went
wrong, even though he had told them that was not
what he would do.

I think Weiner's new book discusses this.
This probably has something:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/publications/DOC_readers/b pread/bpread.htm

No, put the JFK caving on the dustbin of history.

And to JFK's credit he took the blame for it -
bad intel. He never again trusted the CIA in the
same way.

Re: Champions of Free Speech
"haven't read the recent books, but the articles in support of McCarthy have yet to sway my opinion I had of him from my high school research paper 20+ years ago."

Hmmm! A highschool paper you composed before release of the Venona project decrypts (1995) and the opening of the Soviet intelligence archives in (1991) provides the definitive answer. Amazing!

So I take it you come out on the side that insists the "debate is over" on Joe McCarthy!

John Acton
I did a little research, and it's never been proven that Lee Harvey Oswald was associated with anti-Castro groups in New Orleans. He was an outspoken member of the pro-Castro Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

ja
I've followed the news and read reviews met Ted
Morgan, gone to a session on the Venona docs and
read the newspaper in regards to the opening of
Soviet archives.

And yes I still have the same opinion about him.
He knew something. How he knew it is open to
question. But, what is most important is how he
went about doing it. The messenger, for all
intents and purposes, killed the messenger.

I believe I got an A on that report.

The debate over?
I take it you did not read the review I linked to.
(Should I be surprised?)
This is history, the debate is never over.


mcCarthy
it seems to me that the loudest anti- McCarthy voices here havent read this latest book. I havent either. My feeling is he said there were commies in the gov't. The Venona papers seemed to have proved him correct more than even he knew. I guess i just dont get (Will) or other posters that wont even consider that he might not have been the ogre he was painted out to be. I'm sure he had his faults (who doesnt) but seeing that the Soviet plan at the time was the downfall of our country (We will bury you) McCarthy seems more hero than villan. P.S , i plan to read the book to get a better view of him.

McCarthy
The Venona Papers are just one piece of evidence and they are hardly conclusive. For one thing, Russian agents may well have been lying to impress their superiors, including Stalin. Most historians would disagree strongly with Evans' conclusions. The evidence is strong that McCarthy mostly made irresponsible accusations that were unsupported by evidence. He was out to get attention so he didn't particularly care about the accuracy of what he said. He found out soon after he started making his accusations that he received widespread attention and fame so the accusations became even more reckless. Considering that even leading Republicans like Dwight Eisenhower were disgusted by McCarthy, it's unreasonable to claim that he is a victim of some leftist conspiracy. The truth is that McCarthy was a reckless drunk (he died of cirrhosis of the liver) and most of the nation finally tired of his act. It's disgraceful that people like Mr. Evans and Phyllis Schlafly are trying to lionize him.

Phyllis Schlafly, I apologize . . .
. . . ... that some people, ill-cultured as well as ill-educated, respond to your and other thoughtful essays with knee-jerk opprobria. Never thinking, never digesting, always stuck with their initial opinion no matter what new evidence comes to life, and no matter how much the rest of society progresses. Politics brings out the worst in the worst people.

Continued at
http://apomnemonysis.townhall.com/g/6e0029b3-ad7b-4d45-a98f -f1f98e652812

McCarthy
I see. So people who don't agree with the right wing efforts to lionize a drunken slanderer are never thinking and never digesting in your book. I've read a considerable amount on McCarthy and have spoken to an expert who has written two books about him. You and those who wish to reahbilitate Tailgunner Joe based upon one book are the ones who are not thinking or digesting the facts.

Liberals
Liberals are a good judge of people. They elected Bill Clinton and bill Clinton sold our nuclear secrets to China for campaign cash. Knowing this they would now vote for Mrs. Bill Clinton. I will say it again Liberals are a good judge of people.

I can't bear
to read the expressions this parade of idiots. Has any critic here actually read Evans' book? If not - read it!

Try the blacklists..more than one name
Of course, they weren't innocent, were they?

And yes Stalin did break his treaties. Such a pulling out of the non-aggression pact with Japan a year early and then declaring war on Japan "to ensure peace of all mankind."


cleverness of me
Kazan has yet to be recognized by the Academy for his lifetime acheivements, largely because he was an ANTI-communist.
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Actually, he received one in 1999.

As for the other, current, artists that Will mentioned, I think his point is that there is still the inclination on some sides of American politics to call those that disagree with them un-American and unpatriotic. It doesn't necessarily ruin their careers but you surely must admit that they are often accused of being unpatriotic or anti-American, right?

everyones facts
I read that review - did you also read the Hynes review? Then you should also read the book.

If they weren't liberal trolls...
... it would be unbelievable.

Schlafly points out the same thing that Ann Coulter said in "Treason". There WERE communists in the State Dept. And not your garden variety loyal American communism-as-an-intellectual-exercise communists either. These were card carrying communists on the payroll of the KGB taking instructions from Moscow. They were being tracked through the Venona Project even before McCarthy was on to them.

But the liberal trolls insist McCarthy was wrong because ... why?

Well because they've all heard rumors that he was gay.

They've all heard rumors that his assistant was gay.

I'm going to give you an example of what you are if you think there weren't commies in the State Dept. because McCarthy was 'gay'.

This is a true story. I had a girlfiend who had a thoroughly useless, selfish, and immature 17-year-old son who had quit school in the 7th grade. I came home one day and found that the two of them had helped themselves to my beer. I quietly and privately explained to my girlfriend that while she was certainly welcome to anything in the fridge, that privilege did not extend to her useless, underage, freeloading crybaby of a son, and that I expected him, not her, to pay me back for the beer.

When she relayed my demand to him he complained that since he had no high scool diploma he couldn't get a job to earn any money to pay me back. So I got him a job as a trainee at a local gas station/convnience store through a friend of mine.

After sticking it out for two whole days he came to his mother and said he couldn't go back anymore because his boss was a "f*g" who had propositioned him.

So when you tell me that McCarthy must have been on a "witch hunt" because he was 'gay' you become the equivalent of a sniveling, whining, lazy, useless, lying, selfish and totally immature freeloader.

Congratulations.

For JPS
"The Venona Papers are just one piece of evidence and they are hardly conclusive. For one thing, Russian agents may well have been lying to impress their superiors, including Stalin."

The Venona Project is a series of cable intercepts gathered by our own intelligence services. It is not documentation obtained from the new Russia after the demise of the Soviet Union. The only significance the break-up of the USSR has to the Venona project is that it made it possible to de-classify these intercepts.

So, you see, "Russian agents" had nothing to do with compiling the "evidence" known as "Venona".

You would know this if you had read "Treason" by Ann Coulter. Somehow you missed that book in all of your scholarly research on McCarthy. Is there anything written by anyone other than a liberal lemming that you actually HAVE read?

The mitigation you invented for dismissing Venona is full of holes. It doesn't hold water. Despite your claim to expertise on McCarthy you are just one more liberal troll whose research on McCarthy is outdated, who researches only works by those who agree with him, and whose mind is not open even to new information, let alone a new perspective.

You have all the makings of a great liberal lemming/troll.

And the left claims it is conservatives who are "reactionary" and who are "flat earthers". More evidence of flaming liberal projection.

John Acton @ 12:22 wrote
"Ever wonder why the UN is so screwed up? The key representative of the US in drafting its Charter was none other than Alger Hiss, who also represented President Harry Truman and the US at the United Nations Charter Conference in San Francisco in 1945"

Eh, I always thought it was because the Useless Numpties was formed from Lame Numpties' wreckage--WITHOUT learning from the previous org's fatal errors.

Whatever--it is high time to call an end to such fiascoes; the UN should be eliminated!!!

What needs further research
following on from Evans' book is more on the whys of the perseuction of McCarthy - and then much more on how the blacklisting of McCarthy had on American political culture and the wider culture of the 60s and beyond.

The rumor-mongering about McCarthy and McCarthyism clearly became rich ground for anti-Americanism of all kinds, and cover for leftists of all stripes to exploit the naive baby-boomers - who otherwise should have been able to change the world in a positive way.

Evans' book helps us clear the ground and begin a profound cultural investigation.

svpallava
Another powerful UN founder was Australia's Doc Evatt who also had a radical leftist background.

The Vernacular McCarthyism
From Wikipedia (not a bad place to start): "The term "McCarthyism" coined in 1950 in reference to Senator Joseph McCarthy's practices, was soon applied to similar anti-communist pursuits. Today the term is used more generally to describe demogagic, RECKLESS (my caps, Will), and UNSUBSTANCIATED ACCUSATIONS, as well as public attacks on the character or partiotism of political opponents."


Hmmmm. I believe we can safely categorize the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" smear campaign against John Kerry in 2004 as a contemporary form of McCarthyism.

American Heritage Dictionary:

McCarthyism
1. the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, esp. of pro-Communist activity, in many instances UNSUPPORTED BY PROOF or based on slight, doubtful or irrelevant evidence.

2. the practice of making UNFAIR ALLEGATIONS or using unfair investigative techniques, esp. IN ORDER TO RESTRICT DISSENT or political criticism.

So I do know for sure


In the mid 1930’s a brother and sister, whose parents were imprisoned in a Siberian death camp run by Leftist-Liberal Commie Joe Stalin, were hiding on our farm in Pennsylvania. Their lives had been threatened because they dared say those camps existed.

They had tried to get their parents freed before they were slaughtered by the Communist Liberals, but they were at our home, hiding from the Political Leftist-Liberals (really Communists) in the Government in Washington, and Media Communists (and sympathizers) in New York City, who insisted those death camps did not exist.

They had been threatened by both the Government and the Media lovers of the Commies, to shut up or they would be shut up.

So with this episode, plus my time seeking members of the Commie Spy Ring at Ft. Monmouth, NJ, tell me again that there were none of your lefty Commie friends in the government, and that McCarthy did not do a heroic effort for this country.

Just think, if Joe Stalin was posting on this column, I bet he would agree that there were no Commies in the Government, and that Joe McCarthy was wrong in what he did.

Don’t you anti-McCarthyites feel proud you agree with your fellow-man?

JPS
Wonderful comment 4:44pm. I think this current effort to "lionize" (lipstick the pig of) Joe McCarthy is a limited (to ultra-right revisionists) fad.

I believe dear Phyllis Schlafly would also like to lipstick the pig of Jerry Falwell's corpse if I'm not mistaken. Good luck. But there must be better things to do with one's time.

What's happening here is the equivalent of a PR campaign. Like when Robert Downey Jr. used to get loaded & do crazy things while high on heroin & then the Hollywood PR people's job is to "spin" what actually happened into something else to rehabilitate his image.

Many conservative posters on this thread are the equivalent of Hollywood PR guys, spinning the facts & lipsticking the pig we call Joe McCarthy for their own political ends.

More liberal ignorance of history
I love it when some ignorant liberal disputes historical facts by ridiculing the messenger and, in the process, displays even more of his own ignorance of history.

Today's contestant is Zapdoodat, who writes: "And FDR forced Japan to start a war with Korea, Manchuria, China, the Dutch East Indies, Singapore, French Indochina, the Philippines and many more! FDR is truly the 'man behind the curtain', pulling all the levers that controlled the world."

For your information Zap, Singapore was a British colony when it was invaded by the Japanese in December of 1941. And the Philipines were a Territory of the Untited States when they were invaded by Japan in December of 1941. It was garrisoned by the US Army. The commanding General present on the islands was no less than Douglas MacArthur himself, and he had a significant air force on the islands with him that had to be neutralized so the Japanese could enjoy the benefits of their recent conquests unmolested.

Also, from "A Brief History of WWII":

"Japan, largely devoid of natural resources to feed its industries, looked overseas for supplies of strategic materials such as ores and petroleum. Before 1939 the United States was Japan's major supplier. But President Roosevelt and Secretary of State Cordell Hull shut off American supplies in an effort to force the Japanese to end hostilities against China. The Japanese had long coveted the resource-rich British and Dutch colonies of Southeast Asia, and as the U.S. trade embargo tightened, the Japanese increasingly looked southward for raw materials and strategic resources."

So yes, the policies of FDR had a direct effect on Japan's decision to invade the very countries you cite. Since those who fail to learn history are condemned to repeat it I have no doubt we can expect you to demand an embargo against China to balance the trade deficit, or some such stupidity.

I've tried this one a couple of times,
so let's see if it will work this time. The anti-McCarthyites must be at work.


JPS writes:
Tuesday, January, 29, 2008 4:44 PM
McCarthy
For one thing, Russian agents may well have been lying to impress their superiors, including Stalin.

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Isn’t it amazing what the lefties will say these days to prove their point. Now we have the Russian agents lying, so that present day McCarthy haters can really blame someone who can not be interviewed for proof.

Why do you think that the Russian Agents would lie, but that your friends in the media 50 to 60 years ago would not? Many of the Media were just as anxious for Commies to win, as were the Russian agents and JPS.

Why don’t you haters of McCarthy and all that was right about his efforts, just study history, then if you still want to complain and holler, do it quietly.

While I never met McCarthy, since I was involved in what he was working on, I did study this and that. It was a pure coincidence that I was in the Senate for his last speech.

At the time, I wished maybe he could either change his tactics, or somehow get a better press so his efforts would be recognized for what they were, but no chance.

As you can read on this page, once a hater, always a hater, regardless of the facts.

But what I don't understand, will, is
why?

"Many conservative posters on this thread are the equivalent of Hollywood PR guys, spinning the facts & lipsticking the pig we call Joe McCarthy for their own political ends."

So let's pretend (a) that McCarthy never did a thing wrong, and (b) his enemies made him out to be the bad boy in sordid and evil ways.

So? Who the hell cares?

I am mystified.

jim
Re: "...Russian agents may well have been lying to impress their superiors, including Stalin."

Please see my post at 6:38 PM.

The Venona Project is not about documents recovered from the KGB after the break-up of the USSR. It is about cable intercepts collected by US intelligence services beginning before McCarthy's investigation. These intercepts had remained classified until after the Cold War ended, and thus could not be made public to clear Mccarthy's reputation. The info in Venona was collected by US security agents, not by "Russian agents".

The scenario postulated by JPS is uninformed (and impossible) wishful thinking.

Mellor
I think it has something to do with: Joe McCarthy set himself up as an american super-patriot. Almost like a comic hero (defender of the american way & all that). He was also an unscrupulous politician & got off on the power calling people "commie" (I mean, just read these threads!....the same personality types get off on calling others "pinko commie b*stads" & "libtards" right here).

The ideolistic political right always falls prey to these zealots. They end up lining up behind these shysters that wrap themselves up tightly in the american flag. They have a physcological NEED to prove that they are MORE patriotic & red, white & blue than you (& me).

Whenever one of "their own" (McCarthy) is discovered to be a fraud, a mountebank, they feel a "patriotic" duty to clean up the corpse, to remake & makeover the man. So that is why Phyllis Schlafly has here lipstick out...& foundation & rouge & mascara....to give the fallen corpse a facelift.

Jim, I apologize
I misunderstood the meaning of your post. It looked as if you were saying that you saw no evidence of communist infiltration, and complaining about your boss. If you helped get the Rosenbergs, you have my undying gratitude and admiration.

Two replies,


cleverness_of_me writes: Tuesday, January, 29, 2008 8:04 PM
Jim,
If you helped get the Rosenbergs, you have my undying gratitude and admiration.
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Well they already had the Rosenbergs, so I was no help there, I was looking for their friends.

Maybe I should have been looking on this column. Seems to be a lot of anti-McCarthy, and Commie friends here.

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wiseone writes: Tuesday, January, 29, 2008 7:51 PM
jim
Re: "...Russian agents may well have been lying to impress their superiors, including Stalin."

Please see my post at 6:38 PM.

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I don’t need to see your other post. You are the one who tried to use that excuse by making up the story that the Russians lied, just to make your phony story sound plausible.

Haters are, as haters say.

The Media and Nixon hated each other


Some of you said you would like (I bet you would) to hear an excuse for Nixon’s Watergate problems.

Well, when did the Media first learn that Nixon didn’t like them, and they decided they didn’t like him?

As I remember, that was in 1946, when he was elected to Congress, almost 30 years before his resignation from being President.

During those years, on many occasions, it was completely obvious that he would do anything he could think of, to keep the Media off his back, and the Media knew this.

Now I haven’t bothered to do an hour by hour, and day by day detailed examination, but it seems to me that during the time the two clowns from the Washington Post were writing their stories, Nixon and his people were doing this and that to get them off the his back, and so he was doing just exactly what the Media expected, and they almost knew in advance what he would do.

What would you bet that if the Media had not followed him, and persecuted him day by day, the Watergate mess would never have happened. Most everything that did happen, was in retaliation to the Media, not the Democrats, or anyone else.

I met Nixon one time, and did not really like him before or after I met him. I am just glad that Eisenhower’s worst mistake was selecting Nixon, and not when he sent my brother to land on the Normandy beach during WW II.

He said this, and i agree


will writes: Tuesday, January, 29, 2008 7:00 PM

Hmmmm. I believe we can safely categorize the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" smear campaign against John Kerry in 2004 as a contemporary form of McCarthyism.

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You are absolutely correct. Both McCarthy and the Swift Boat Vets were Patriots, and told the absolute truth.

We must continue to bless them both.

CA
I was mistaken about Kazan receiving the Academy's Lifetime Achievement Award, but not about the level of hatred for this man in Hollywood. My point was that he was not a victim of McCarthyism, as another poster suggested.

As to other artists being labeled "unpatriotic" or "anti-American", can you provide quotes to back up your assertion? George W Bush is always very clear in his speeches that patriotic Americans can disagree about the war. I have personally stuck up for the Dixie Chicks, on the basis that "Home" was one of the most beautiful albums I have ever heard. Natalie Maines doesn't need to understand foreign policy any more than Bush needs to know how to play guitar.

But I am also a professional musician, and if I started mouthing off about politics on stage I would be fired. My boss and I agree about politics, but we also agree that it is rude to impose your politics on the fans who are there to hear your music.

Futhermore, if you are going to wade into the political arena as a public figure, you have to expect others to use their free speech to criticize you. If you put it on the street, you can't complain if you step in it.

jim
You are missing the Point, the "Big Picture".

McCarthy was a PSUEDO-patriot, a mountebank who made reckless, unsubstanciated accusations on the (different) patriotism of others.

Beware the charlatan, jim, who wears his patriotism on his sleeve - who screams his love of GOD & COUNTRY - & sucks you, all unbeknownst, into his lair.

History Shows...........
As I have read through a healthy portion of the comments made on this piece, the one thing that stands out are the number of absolutely hateful insults, name-calling, cursing, and slanderous epithets thrown at Ms. Schlafly,
her comments, the author of the book, Joe McCarthy and all those who have dared to support
him.
The one thing I have not seen is an even-tempered, logical, fact-based, example-filled
argument that can rebut the book or Ms. Schlafly's comments.
For an open-minded, curious, rational jury of 1, it's an easy choice even without having read the book, yet.

K-Dan

So I goofed, the first time ever I think


wiseone writes: Tuesday, January, 29, 2008 7:51 PM
jim
Re: "...Russian agents may well have been lying to impress their superiors, including Stalin."

Please see my post at 6:38 PM.

=============

In my scan of the posts, I missed your point, just as someone else missed my point earlier today.

Well, I hope that's the worst mistake I ever make.

John McCain is the projected winner
in the Florida primary (CNN, Fox News, Associated Press all projecting McCain right now).

More breaking news:
(though this is probably the wrong thread!)

Rudy Giuliani is expected to drop out of the race tomorrow & endorse John McCain.
So there's your man you now all have to rally behind (I'm an Obama guy. My race is still fluid).

Holocaust deniers
Those who continue to maintain that McCarthy attacked innocent people for political gain are like those who deny the holocaust. If the clear and convincing evidence is not enough to persuade them, nothing will. It is too important to them to hold onto their hateful worldview than to accept the truth.

McCarthy's patriotic activities


will writes: Tuesday, January, 29, 2008 9:10 PM

McCarthy was a PSUEDO-patriot

=========

Well, you are wrong again. Read my 1:04 PM post for a different comment by a couple of intelligent left-wingers who spent hours talking with the Senator.

And whatever else he did, he helped solve a real problem that existed, and would have gotten much worse without his patriotic activities.

Just remember, the Commie threat in Korea and Viet Nam were felt to be worth the lives of tens of thousands of Americans. So why would you think for the moment that your Commie friends were not going to try and take over the USA.

I have visited several countries while they were under Commie control, and believe me, even you would not like that way of life.

Well, come to think of it, you might just love that way of life.

Maybe if you had visited the Communist Party meeting as I did in Sweden, you would have a better idea of what they wanted to do with the whole world.

Hey Will
will writes: Tuesday, January, 29, 2008 9:28 PM
More breaking news:
(though this is probably the wrong thread!)

Rudy Giuliani is expected to drop out of the race tomorrow & endorse John McCain.
So there's your man you now all have to rally behind (I'm an Obama guy. My race is still fluid).


We don't have to rally behind anyone. You and/or the media aren't telling us who our candidate will be.
But I can promise you one thing, it WON'T be McShame.

He was right!
McCarthy was hated and reviled because he was right, and that was a huge embarassment to our government. If he had been wrong, he would have been ignored and long since forgotten. He had to be destroyed and discredited. They did a very competent job of that! Hillary and Bill should be envious.

Thanks, will, for the explanation.
Makes sense.

Wobbie, you are the nut
Robert writes: Monday, January, 28, 2008 2:33 PM
Schlafly...a nut defending
an idiot...Tail Gunner JOe...

what a dispicable person

Robert
_____________________________________________

Not that Wobbie, the fearless Navy pilot, Shuttle pilot, CIA thug, etc, etc, etc depending on the time of his post, has shown anything less than total lib/lefty nonsense in his posts, but it was the first post to denounce Schlafly and McCarthy, so here goes: The libs/lefties of 2008 are still as dangerous as the libs/lefties of the 40s and 50s, even though then they were out and out for communists, and Communists as well, and now THEY DO NOT DARE PROMOTE communism, nor Communism either and instead promote Marxism.

Wobbie, you are the nut.

juicy homosexual rumors
will writes: Monday, January, 28, 2008 5:13 PM
Ann Coulter also wants to re-invent
McCarthy's image for crying out loud. I'll stick by Edward R. Murrow, thank you.

One other thing....once history proves Joe McCarthy & Roy Cohn to be closeted homosexuals, watch Phyllis Schlafly turn on Joe LIKE THAT!! (*snaps finger!*) Watch lovely Phyllis then start calling Joe a pinko commie & retracting all this hogwash.

Actually, I'm sorry, history already HAS proven Roy Cohn to be a closeted homosexual (who died of AIDS complications in 1986). And Joe McCarthy did end up marrying a secretary (just like Rock Hudson). But the gay rumors were swirling.
_______________________________________

Speaking of rumors, the latest and juiciest is that Heathie Ledger and Jake Spikenthyall, the two heartthrobs of male homosexuals the world over, DID NOT SIMULATE THE 'COPULATION' in that movie, and the result was a beautiful bouncing baby trisexual/translesbian, Erik (with a k) Ledger-Crypenthyall, unless it was Heathie who was the f*ckee, then it would be Erik (with a k) Rykenthyal-Ledger--the birth certificate, registered in that haven of the homosexuals, Canada, has never been released to the public. It is said, in connection with this that the director, An Somethingorother, gave them all the privacy they needed, including the cameraman's absence after setting up the camera.

Does anyone have any other juicy homosexual rumors to share with us?

So true, ModerateMark
How better the honor the man?

Also just finsihing the book
so it is gratifying to see Mrs Schlafly's article and the many positive responses.

Also the unthinking, unreading wacko comments on this thread back up the point that Mr. Evans made in his book - the standard histories of the period don't seem to have consulted the historical sources, instead just recycling liberal talking points.

The truth shall set you free!
I'm on page 400. The evidence is irrefutable that McCarthy was villified undeservedly.

McCarthy is a great American hero that tried to save American interests from the inept Truman and FDR administrations. Truman and FDR lost China to the communists. What has been the cost in lives and untold human suffering just to win political points? Truman just wanted to stop the American people from knowing just how corrupt and inept the Democratic Party was in protecting American from spies so he (and his cohorts) covered up Amerasia, protected known Soviet spies in high federal offices and even kept promoting them to more and more sensitive positions EVEN THOUGH THE FBI WARNED THEM DOZENS OF TIMES WHO THE SPIES WERE.

A recently declassified document shows that in on July 5, 1950, Hoover sent a list of 12,000 (97%Americans) suspected of being disloyal to the White House. Hoover said the detainments were recommended 2 weeks after the outbreak of the Korean War to "protect the country against treaswon, espionage and sabotage." You liberals out there are thinking, "Wow, what a paranoid whacko that Hoover was!" That's because you haven't read M. Stanton Evans blockbuster book yet! Liberals then and liberals today continue to be weak on national defense. Not much has changed. In fact, the Democratic Party has been wrong on every major foreign policy issue since WWII! (Including Iraq.)

Wrong Again, Schafly
"Everyone who henceforth writes about McCarthy will have to check his facts with Evans' documented discoveries."

**

You are completely missing the point. The point
is not that there were in fact Communists in the
U.S., even Communists in high places. The point is the tactics that were used to weed out these few Communists who were actively working against the U.S., as opposed to those who were communists but were very much Americans at heart or not
communists at all. Careers, lives were ruined by
this little alcohol-sotted peacock. No spotlight
was bright enough for him. No tactic was too
ruthless.

Steve: it was Eisenhower who finally shut him
down.

K-Dan: I shall cry a river over all the hateful
things said about Schlafly. I haven't been able
to stand her since the ERA era when she decided
that equal rights for women wasn't the thing.

Will: When I learned that Schlafly's son is
homosexual, it was the only time I believed that
homosexuals were developed through a weak father
and overbearing mother.


Wrong Again, Schafly
"Everyone who henceforth writes about McCarthy will have to check his facts with Evans' documented discoveries."

**

You are completely missing the point. The point
is not that there were in fact Communists in the
U.S., even Communists in high places. The point is the tactics that were used to weed out these few Communists who were actively working against the U.S., as opposed to those who were communists but were very much Americans at heart or not
communists at all. Careers, lives were ruined by
this little alcohol-sotted peacock. No spotlight
was bright enough for him. No tactic was too
ruthless.

Steve: it was Eisenhower who finally shut him
down.

K-Dan: I shall cry a river over all the hateful
things said about Schlafly. I haven't been able
to stand her since the ERA era when she decided
that equal rights for women wasn't the thing.

Will: When I learned that Schlafly's son is
homosexual, it was the only time I believed that
homosexuals were developed through a weak father
and overbearing mother.


Wrong Again, Schafly
"Everyone who henceforth writes about McCarthy will have to check his facts with Evans' documented discoveries."

**

You are completely missing the point. The point
is not that there were in fact Communists in the
U.S., even Communists in high places. The point is the tactics that were used to weed out these few Communists who were actively working against the U.S., as opposed to those who were communists but were very much Americans at heart or not
communists at all. Careers, lives were ruined by
this little alcohol-sotted peacock. No spotlight
was bright enough for him. No tactic was too
ruthless.

Steve: it was Eisenhower who finally shut him
down.

K-Dan: I shall cry a river over all the hateful
things said about Schlafly. I haven't been able
to stand her since the ERA era when she decided
that equal rights for women wasn't the thing.

Will: When I learned that Schlafly's son is
homosexual, it was the only time I believed that
homosexuals were developed through a weak father
and overbearing mother.


Roy Cohn, if he was a homosexual...
...at least did not whine for special rights for homosexuals, did not prolelytize children that homosexuality was fine, did not publicly flaunt his homosexual perversions.

Well, will, do you have any more juicy homosexual rumors for us?

yes but who created the Soviet monster?
The USSR was made in teh USA

just like the UN and every other global monster

None Dare call it a conspiracy (full text)
http://reactor-core.org/none-dare.html

it all has "made in the USA" written all over it

thanks to

http://www.themoneymasters.com
http://www.fdrs.org
http://www.policestateplanning.com

Phyllis - why not expose the roots of evil instead of swiping at the branches?

Lemonade
The point is that your comments indicate that you also have not read Evans' book.

PeterE
I was not critiquing Evans' book. I was critiquing
Schlafly.

She said that Evans' book points out that there
were Communists in high places. I said - so what,
that does not justify what that little toad did
to any number of people.

And something, I did not mention before but if
anyone has the answer, I would love to hear it.
What authority does the Senate have to question
citizens about their activities - whether those
questioned are suspected traitors or baseball
players?

A small change
In my previous post, I should have used "civilians"
rather than "citizens."

Lemonade
It is you that completely missed the point. If you will read the book, you will learn that McCarthy was NOT ruthless and did NOT destroy lives and reputations! He did not accuse anyone falsely! Read the book! It was Senator Tydings et al and the Truman administration that conspired to coverup the truth and protect the spies to cover their political butts. It was they that did the smearing; NOT McCarthy!

Response to Lemonade
What civilian did McCarthy accuse? Unless I missed something in the book, he is accusing past and present members of the government. His concern was that credible reports from OTHER bureaucrats were being ignored by the Truman administration. The accused were primarily in the State Dep but other departments as well.

Are you referring to the House UnAmerican Affairs Committee? McCarthy had nothing to do with that. The HUAC preceeded McCarthy and was in the House of Representatives. McCarthy was a senator and was not involved with the HUAC at all.

Lemonade
"She said that Evans' book points out that there
were Communists in high places. I said - so what,
that does not justify what that little toad did
to any number of people."

Just what did he do?

Look, folks here must have one heck of a short memory.

All McCarthy was asking was whether or not it is wise to have people who pretty much desire the destruction of American institutions, beliefs, and values in positions of power in government.

As Coulter famously asked, wouldn't you think it was kind of "wrong" if Condolezza Rice was also a card carrying member of al Qaeda? Or if members of the CIA or NSA or FBI were also members or sympathizers of Hamas?

Do you suppose you WOULDN'T be calling for the Secretary of the Treasury's resignation if it came out that he was a lifelong member of the American Nazi Party?

Of course you would. Don't pretend otherwise.

The thing about communism, communists and the Soviet Union they revered in the 20th Century is that they all killed, tortured, maimed and enslaved more people than al Qaeda, Hamas, or even the Nazis could ever hope to do.

Steve Citizen
How many people in Hollywood had positions in
high places in the U.S. Government?

I lived through that era. It was my political
awakening.

As I said before, Joe McCarthy was and remains
a disgrace to this nation.

No...
What remains a disgrace to this nation is the ignorance of history. Especially from people who say they lived through it.

The stuff that happened in Hollywood, the blacklisting, etc., took place under the House Un-American Activities Committee.

Usually called "HUAC".

That's the HOUSE of Representatives.

McCarthy was a Senator. And he focused on government employees in positions of influence or access to sensitive information who were avowed or secret members of the Communist Party.

Who's talking about Hollywood?

And he was RIGHT to go after people in our government who were communists.

Having avowed communists working in Pentagon de-coding rooms is about as smart as appointing Al Capone the Police Commissioner.

It is...shall we say..."counterproductive".

Joe
If I remember correctly Joe McCarthy and J Edgar Hoover were buddies and J Edgar hoover wanted to throw 10s of thousands in prison and do away with habeas corpus. Great American!

http://www.newsfrombabylon.com/story/2007/j-edgar-hoover-pl anned-mass-jailing-in-1950

They had alot in common...I hear they shopped for dresses together.

CONSERVATIVES FOR MITT
MITT SUPPORTERS, GO TO MITT'S WEBSITE AND CONTRIBUTE TO HIS CAMPAIGN TO STOP THE MCCAIN TRAIN WRECK EXPRESS.

ITS NOT TOO LATE TO GIVE MITT SOME MOMENTUM GOING INTO SUPER TUESDAY AND TAKING THIS THING ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION, AND THEN ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITEHOUSE. ROMNEY IS THE LAST AND BEST HOPE OF THE REMAINING REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES TO PRESERVE CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES AND MAINTAIN THE REAGAN COALITION INTACT.

FLOOD MITT'S SITE AT http://www.mittromney.com/homepage AND GIVE TO HIS CAMPAIGN, EVEN IF IT ISN'T A LOT. EVERY CONTRIBUTION HELPS.

To JD's Handsome Son
You aren't very clear about who you wish had been rounded up and gassed---do you mean everyone accused by McCarthy, including the many actors and writers who had attended a Communist Party meeting or two, twenty years before? I do notice a pattern in your recommended social solutions. Last Oct 6 you described Democrats as "saboteurs" and "Socialist traitors" and wanted them water-boarded and punished with electric shocks. On Oct 21 you wanted Democratic neigborhoods classified as enemy sanctuaries and used for live-fire exercises. On Oct 27 you said "All liberals should be gassed and cremated. This is not murder."

So, Son-of-JD, you are ready to round up, gas, torture, electrocute, shoot, and cremate everybody you disagree with. I haven't heard you mention anything about due process of law or trials or any silly old things like that. Could you explain to us how your approach to government demonstrates the principles on which the United States of America was founded? Or do you perhaps visualize a new nation?

I Remember
In the days of McCarthy my husband was in graduate school at a large university where we lived in married students' on-campus housing. As our neighbors completed their degrees and applied for jobs, many had to get security clearance. FBI agents would come around interviewing the neighbors, always two of them together. Invariably they would ask the same questions, including "Have you ever seen anyone entering his apartment who looked like an enemy of the United States?" and "Does he have parties that are attended by people whose loyalty you would question?" and similar queries that would be impossible for any sane person to answer. (What does an enemy of the United States look like? What is the basis for questioning loyalty?) Factor in also that the nature of relationship among neighbors was usually along the lines of sitting on the same bench at the Tot Lot watching our babies play, conversation limited to "Johnny, stop hitting Tommy". We all thought the FBI interviews were pretty funny (BTW the agents were also seen in the alley going through clearance candidates' garbage cans and in the lobby rifling through newly-delivered mail). However, the idea that a career or a reputation could rest on such doings was, and is, frightening.

Over the Cliff
I have not read the book yet, but am sure that it is very enlightening, just as this review of it is. Yet it is probably a waste of time. Those on the left will never change, and they would much rather follow their ideology over a cliff rather than critically examine and change their world view. The unfortunate fact of the matter is that they will probably drag the rest of us over the cliff with them as well.

I watched on YouTube the interview of a defector KGB agent who said that those who had been sufficiently indoctrinated to the various communist propaganda would most likely be unable to question the ideas they had been fed as it would challenge their whole world view. Thus they would ignore all facts presented in opposition to their belief system. Such is the case with tail-gunner Joe. You can present fact after fact, debunk every lie and myth, but those who bought into the lie will view him as the Devil incarnate no matter what, because to view him otherwise would cause them to question their whole belief system, that big government is the answer, that certain elites in the vanguard know what's best for everyone else and the utopia can be attained by the will of man in the form of centralized control, that humankind can be ever changed and improved, would come crumbling down and that would be too painful for them to deal with.

So the author is preaching to the choir.

Ahhh, the left
As always, lovable in their predictable ways. They loved and still love Napoleon, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and other dictator that comes along, all in the name of freedom. Something tells me that their ideas of freedom, are far different from my own, and that of our Founding Fathers. Their idea of freedom, is freedom from material want, from personal and moral responsibility. They are emotionally and mentally under-developed individuals who should be treated as they act, as willful children and be put in time-out. If you treat them as rational adults, you find yourself mentally reduced to their level, in unwinable juvenile arguments of "yes you are, no I'm not". Liberals are overgrown children who refuse to learn.

Ahhh, the Right!
He was an attorney. Come on, Right wingers, get your priorities straight. You HATE all attorneys, right? Or is this another group of rabid idiots wanting to rewrite history?

Take a look at:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/medialog/?id=110003713
Even your Conservative buddies think Coulter is nuts.

Ahhh, the Right. Wanting so badly to believe that someone who destroyed countless lives was OK because he was sometime soft-spoken. Weird, and stupid. I may read this book for laughs, but just because McCarthy was paranoid about the same things Rightt-tighty's are does not make him a decent man.

Alex
They love... Their ideas are... They like... They dislike... They think... They are... They are not...

Wrong on all counts.Please do not speak for me or any other person regardless of life experience. I could write the same garbage and put up twice the straw-men you have, and then prove my straw-man points with clear logic.

Doesn't matter that you write once you present the other side with your broad-stroke lies.

Conservative are overgrown children who refuse to learn. They loved and still love McCarthy (all of them, no exceptions according to Alex logic). Their idea of freedom is to gather as much money as possible without any regard for their neighbors, brothers, or environment. They are emotionally stunted, under educated, red-neck slack jaws who think that an alcoholic president who tortures is a great guy. They think there is such a thing as Just War when we invade another country for oil.

I thought writing the above would be cathartic, but it is hard for an intelligent, worldly, well-educated, articulate person such as myself to stoop to Alex's level. I feel dirty, almost Conservative or Neo-Con.

They haven't changed
This says it all and this is how the Dems have always practiced and still do today.

The administration of any Dem President and the Democrats in Congress engage in massive cover-ups, circling the wagons with their media friends. Their game plan is to deny the problem, evade political responsibility for tolerating security risks or any other business in government, and to destroy and kill the messenger.



Teaching ...
It is my great honor to be the teacher of the youth "Advanced Placement U.S. History" classes, and I always try to show the students how the historians that edit textbooks willfully ignore primary sources that shed light on errors that they continue to repeat and publish about McCarthy and Reagan. I will continue to search for the truth no matter how much the liberals try to hide it or obstruct it.
the light always dispels the darkness. Patriotpaul
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